>Man of Steel releases >Critics complain about "not

>woman director
the movie is critic proof

>>85544559
>Muh Steve has no agency!

Nah I'm just kidding. They're going to complain about gender roles in WW1 era being sexist.

>>85544618
> the movie is critic proof
But it's a DC movie, the narrative's already been made thanks to the endless "friend of a friend worked on WW and it was bad" reports in the media

>>85544672
Im pissed about Wonder Woman supporting the bad guys in the war.

>>85544673
yeah but this time all those people are misogynistic

>>85544559
what if i just don't like the unnecessary dark take on the characters superman didn't have to be all light and jolly like Santa but he didn't have to be dark and broody like bats either wonder woman should of been like superman was batman could've stayed the same and supes could've just acted like a guy who had a bad day and it would've been much closer to the source material

>>85545119
i dont do that shit on 4 chan i only do grammar when i being graded

>>85545154
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>85544559
They won't complain about the character of Wonder Woman, they'll most likely complain about Gadot's inability to act, and the fact she's leading an entire movie on her own is worrying in itself.

>>85544559
I bet you're a regular in the DC_Cinematic subreddit aren't you?

>>85545168
im 19

>>85545212
Why do you know what that is?

>>85544559
probably how Wonder Woman is a tool for the patriarchy and the war during the whole movie.
How it portrays her as vulnerable to the evil white man while being a powerful amazon.

How they cast an actress who meets impossible standards because she's thin and pretty and how it sexualize the character.

>>85545212
I don't post on reddit, so no. Please explain what that place is?

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>There are people who seriously consider a movies studio before judging the movie
I can't even understand the mindset of these people.

>>85545210
>complaining about Gal
>the woman who plays Wonder Woman

I don't wanna sound like some "muh SJW" conspiracy nut, but the movie really is critic proof. The movie will be hugely celebrated for giving a woman superhero her own movie.

>>85544559
>Critics complain about "not muh boyscout Superman"
>Critics complain about "not muh non-muderous batgod"
Yes, these were the sole complaints about those movies. Indeed, even if they weren't, they were of course the primary complaints and in no way just another in vast sea of discontentment with those films on several levels.

>>85545229
that's not 18, get out

>>85545383
>the same """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""people""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" that lap up shit like Star Wars 4: Reloaded

'no'

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>>85544559
There are ALREADY sites complaining that it was written by a man.

The first two "not muh" that you listed right tho, Which retarded person start a movieverse by desconstructing and shitting on what people like on the characters?

>>85544939
Everyone was a bad guy in World War I. Nobody was fighting for anything even resembling a good reason.

>>85544559
Not muh Lynda Carter

>>85545417
>implying the honor of the Austro-Hungarian empire isn't a valid reason to go to war
Balkansfag, get out, you deserved to be imperialized.

>>85545407
>on the characters
illiterate pls

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>>85544559
>too dark
>pic related

You tell me, m8.

We all know they're going to hate this movie. They're even attacking SS's soundtrack. The disniggers are in this for the long haul

>>85544559
>not muh strong and independent Harley
Who said this? Who would want it?

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>>85545210
>Gadot's inability to act,
I heard 4chan say she couldn't act but I finally watch BvS and didn't see anything wrong with her acting. She seems capable of handling stupid capeshit. It's not like Comic Book movies really works the acting muscle much.

>>85545482
As a pretty firm leftist, it's extremely depressing when you can't tell the leftists from the neo-Nazis.

>>85545493
Most of the SJWs that reviewed the movie. Variety was one of them that was talking about how SS failed Harley's character because she wasn't represented as a "feminist icon" like she is in the comics.

>>85545558
leftists ARE neo-nazis[/spoiler}

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>>85545588
test

>>85545584
>like she is in the comics.
>mfw

>>85545584
harley quinn slept her way to a better life then became obsess with a rapist how is she a feminist icon

>talentless ratfaced bitch who looks like kate moss in rehab plays an amazon
D R O P P E D

>>85544559
>strong and independent Harley
>character whose defining characteristic is slavish devotion to a man
Are critics just retards now?

>>85545612
>harley quinn slept her way to a better life
Quinnfags are in DEEP denial about this.

>>85544559
If you don't understand that character goes before story, you don't understand western storytelling. If you think those were the only criticisms against those movies, your actively lying to yourself.

>>85545612
But that literally didn't happen

>>85545649
Isn't that only sometimes canon? I don't recall seeing it until The Batman.

>>85545663
since when was it retconned that harley actually passed college a legit way i thought that was one of the only things kept from the show

>>85545663
see
>>85545649

>>85545676
its been canon since btas but>>85545663 seems to think its not true so i'm not too sure i never really kept up with harls

>>85545663
honestly post proof i want to be proven wrong

>>85544559
maybe they should let Marvel produce it. they have a better track record of good cape films that dont just pander to hardcore fans

>>85545773
>pander to hardcore fans
this is a good thing

>>85545584
I must've missed something, since when has she been a feminist icon?

>>85545524
A Kardashian could done Gadot's walk on just fine. Good reviews or not, I don't see DC's answer to Capt America faring well at the box office. See Ghostbusters 2016.

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>>85544559
>shit lead
>bland romantic interest
>bad action
>colorless snyder tone
>bad writing
>studio meddling

Also, plenty of "Not muh Wonder Woman". And they'll be right.

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>>85545524
>I heard 4chan say she couldn't act but I finally watch BvS and didn't see anything wrong with her acting

And that's why you're a pleb

>>85545833
Lynda Carter sure has some assets Gadot doesn't.

>>85545482
>zionist trash stays away from hollywood
2+2=5?

>>85545846
>it's the face autist
One (1) guy every time.
pathetic

I agree with what Red Letter Media guy said. I couldn't understand anything this bitch was saying in Batman vs Superman. I don't want to watch a movie with her

>>85545875
>I agree with what Red Letter Media guy said
redlettermedia liked TFA

>>85544559
That's not what the complains were for the previous 3 movies, dipshit

Take your strawman arguments to reddit

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>>85545869
It's not my fault she can't act, JIDF. Also, I've never posted this on /co/ before.

>>85545890
It wasn't a bad movie, so what's the problem?

>>85545897
>no punctuation
>capitalization
iphone child pls

>>85545890
So did critics and audiences. The only people who didn't like it are contrarians.

>>85545914
>It wasn't a bad movie
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>85545852
Yeah like those big, wonderful blue eyes.

>>85545922
on any given day here you will have tons of people bashing it
please stop hiding behind consensus

>>85545952
you sure proved him wrong

>>85545914
>Retread of New Hope
>Bad protagonists
>Full of asspulls
>Terrible villain
Yes it was.

>>85545984
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH

>>85545973
contrarians? yeah, but who cares about minorities?

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>>85545962
So why was there never a crossover with Carter, Reeves and West?

>>85545723
Harley's 2000 ongoing, Issue 8, I think. It's the first time her origin is explained in main continuity. Mad Love is DCAU.

Harley records her being flirty with her professor, and threatens to take it to the Dean to get him fired if he doesn't let her take the internship at Arkham Asylum.

>>85545743
BTAS has never been canon to mainline continuity m8.

>>85545735
>Oh no people actually read comics!
God forbid, right?

>>85545914
How bad is "bad", though?
It kept me entertained but not invested. Still, I'd rate it at around 6/10.

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>>85546045
>but who cares about minorities?
>says the nu-male

>>85545890
Why do you always have to bring up TFA? I think you might secretly like it.

>>85546059
>>Oh no people actually read comics!
but Harley fucking her way through college IN A COMIC BY BRUCE TIMM AND PAUL DINI.


die

>>85545612
That sounds feminist as fuck anon. Feminism is not about women anymore, is about a lifestyle

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>>85546089
>you hate gays so you are gay
nice tumblr logic

>>85546125
What? I'm asking why you keep bringing it up, you haven't given a proper answer yet.

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>>85545723
>>85545735
>>85545743
>>85545755
>>85546098
>>85546059

>>85546144
Because if a supposed arbiter of taste says that they liked it, you can safely disregard their opinion.

>>85546156
nu-males btfo

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>>85546245
This is her pre-N52 backstory


>>85546205
They sure are.

>>85546077
I've been lifting for 9 years, and I'm a former kickboxer. You're the only numale here, fatty.

>>85546371
>/fit/ likes shit movies
What is your point here?

>>85545482
It's amazing how intolerant leftist are.

>>85545558
>>85546463
>people saying that these are leftists
since when do leftists use the term "Zionists?" Anti-semitism is not a stereotypically leftist trait

>>85546473
The thing that complicates it though is that Zionism is by its very nature a nationalist philosophy. I've got relatives who are liberal-leaning Jews, and even though they're Jewish, they're very critical of Israel.

>>85545524

>This

>>85545773

>Good cape films

Lol. They sell tickets but lets not pretend they are actually good. Light comedy b action movies devoid of plots, interesting villians and that are only good for one watch unless you are a mouth breather.

>>85546858
b-but you're a contrarian so i win

>>85544618
Director will be excused, writers will be blamed

>>85546615
How not? Israel is like a Bizarro Nazi Germany.

>>85546893
It's written by a black male identifying asian double amputee trans-woman credited as three people though.

>>85545897
It was for MoS

BvS had some of it but it was mostly the confusing plot and editing

Same for SS

>>85546422
>movie loved by both audiences and critics
>no, no, it's shit, trust me

>>85546973
>movie loved by both audiences and critics
ad populum falacy
There are two people in this thread alone that hate it.

>>85544559

So MCU started off with Iron Man, Iron Man 2 and Thor.

DC starts with Man of Steel, Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad.

Honestly Marvel didn't exactly have a great start with two of the movies being total shit. Now they have a formula that works and they make two movies a year that make money. Are they all kind of samey and dumb? Yes but they make enough to continue creating sequels.

DC has some goodwill having access to alot of A-list characters but they are just getting their footing. Marvel has made around 2 dozen movies so far and DC has made 3 in this "universe." I'm looking forward to seeing what both companies do but I think it's abit unfair to assume they will be shit forever because it's not like Marvel started off strong beyond Iron Man1.

Wonder Woman is very much their Cap America flick and is also the 4th movie on the roster. It looks good and it's also kind of funny DC is beating Marvel to the punch with FIRST SUPERVILLAIN movie and FIRST WOMAN movie. Even though Marvel is the one to pander abit more than DC. Either way I'm pumped about the movies to come.

>>85546960

>confusing plot and editing

Did MOS, BvS and SS actually go over anyones heads? They are pretty straight forward movies...Do we really need paint by numbers, safe comedy movies like Disney? I get that they make money but there is nothing ambiguous or interesting about them...

>>85546973
With TFA it's clearly the nostalgia talking. Hell I saw people admit as much, they turned off their brains and let the nostalgia flow through them.

Only way they'd give a pass to a bland retread with worse characters that fucked up the story of the previous films.

>>85547030
Not MoS

What exactly was Lex Luthor's plan with Doomsday in BvS?
>release Doomsday
>he kills Superman and Batman
>turns around
>starts to attack Luthor and the rest of the planet nownow
>no Superman to protect them
>????

>>85545897
The post was about critics complaining about the characters

>>85547083

Lex Luthor is communicating with New Gods and is paving the way for them to come by killing Earth's resident demi-god. Lex would have aborted Doomsday if Batman failed to kill Superman. He even says "Bat wasn't strong enough," Doomsday was his back up plan. Also Doomsday has Lex's DNA so Lex is basically his dad and Doomsday is only bred to kill Superman, Lex won. He was imprisoned but his planned work. Superman "died" and an alien he made a deal with will be coming to Earth. What usually happens is Lex is betrayed and gets all mad..

>>85545833

Movies not out yet the post.

Also the 10 minutes she was in BvS was total gold. Fuck off.

>>85546371
>I'm a big guy

You could be the biggest guy in their world and still a faggot who protest about white privilege and mansplanning

>>85547149
but if Doomsday had successfully killed Supes, nothing would be able to stop him from destroying all of Earth. Luthor's plan was suicidal

>>85547083
Do we know Lex couldn't control Doomsday? If anything, his plan was to use Doomsday as a way to have a tool to fight what he felt was coming. That being Darkseid.

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>>85546050
lack of vision

>>85547210
he was mindlessly attacking the city whenever there was a break in the fight, it's safe to say that he was a mindless killing machine

>>85545055

This. Superman was basically as broody and angsty and caught up in "but what IS being a hero, really?!" and "am I just making stuff worse?!" as Batman.

I'm allowed to criticize Snyder and DC for fundamentally not getting Superman. For thinking they were doing something interesting by making him into a scowling, brooding reluctant hero. No, you assholes, one of his core characteristics is a sense of optimism notably absent from every depiction you've attempted so far.

The best Superman movie WB has ever made was the Man of Steel trailer.

>>85546050
Believe it or not Reeve was closer to Keaton's age

>>85545265

Snyderland

>>85547247
>For thinking they were doing something interesting by making him into a scowling, brooding reluctant hero.
>different is bad

jfc

>>85544559
You are delusional if you think any of these 3 movies are any good.

You are also kinda out of it if you think people didn't like the new WW trailer.

>>85547247
Waid pls.

>>85547365
>You are delusional if you think any of these 3 movies are any good.
All three are good. Two are amazing.

>>85547336

Different is bad when it's done badly, yes.

Snyder's characterization of Superman sucks, but worse than that, it's fucking boring. Day versus Night? No, Night versus Slightly Darker Night.

>>85547336
Different isn't bad, but Snyders supes is shit .

>>85544559
Wonder Woman isn't enough of a meme for people to care about.

gal gadot is being meme'd hard.

but Since my four year blop on this blip I haven't seen wonder woman being meme'd here like at all. As far as comics go.

>>85544559

Man of Steel releases

>First contact movie, subversive take on superheroes, heavy metal vibes with Kryptonians, Dc's Iron Man 1

>Baby boomer critics get butthurt that Superman kills a character that he usually sends to fucking purgatory as punishment

Dawn of Justice releases

>First time Batman wears grey since the 60s, first movie Wonder Woman, Lex is murderous and crazy, public isn't sure what to make of Superman (not all clapping first thing like in Reeve movies) and Doomsday can survive a Nuke. Nobody needs to Nuke any bad guys in Marvel (not a threat to anyone etc)

>Critics are pissed Batman kills guys like he does in every movie and wishes the movie was a comedy instead even though in the comics Clark and Bruce aren't exactly cracking jokes every second at all

Suicide Squad releases

>First supervillain movie, first movie with mostly female and non-white leads. Government is evil angle on cape movies.

>Critics go hurr durr it's been done before, it's too silly and campy.

Honestly if DC keeps doing what they are doing and fucking around with the status quo then I'll pay to watch all their shit. While I enjoy Marvel movies they are safe as fuck and abit too family friendly for me. Sure for some reason they are all reviewed as 9/10 (same score as Saving Private Ryan, Schindlers list and shit LOL) but anyone with half a brain realizes that they are b-action/comedy movies and never really shoot for anything more. I'd rather a movie try to be deep, try something new and fuck up then a movie just trying to please everyone and get little kids in seats. Shit comic books are seen as little kid material but most comic characters apart from Spider Man or Booster Gold aren't really about humor at all. Just my two cents, cheers guys.

>>85547336
>different is never bad

>>85547382
>>85547384
>boring
>shit
oh now I see

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>>85544559
I thought the trailer looked hella bland anyway, given early "leaks" promised chimeras and witchcraft and shit.
After reading the Perez run a week a go to try and hype myself up I'm looking forward to it even less. Obviously it's too soon to tell for sure but as of right now it likes like just as bad a betrayal of the character as MAN OF MURDER or BATMANSLAUGHTER.

Not that it'll actually come up in mainstream criticism, nobody but giganerds actually knows shit about Wonder Woman comics.

>>85547208

Keep in mind, Lex talks to New Gods.

Sure New Gods wouldn't have too much trouble with Doomsday.

>>85547385
>meme meme meme

>>85547413
*looks like

>>85547387
I agree.
Get ready for the meme replies.

>>85547387
>Nobody needs to Nuke any bad guys in Marvel (not a threat to anyone etc)
They used a nuke on the Chitauri.

>>85547411

Way to not address my point.

You can't hype up Day Versus Night when there's barely any difference between your brooding vigilantes.

>>85547247

MOS was Superman comics for the first time.

Krypton is a planet full of life with a weird sexless caste system that is full of hubris and is doomed. Clark is a nerd and hides his powers but can't stop trying to save people in secret his entire life. When Clark discovers his heritage he becomes Superman a symbol for hope. Zod arrives and wants to terraform Earth and represents the worst of Krypton. Superman wins and sends most of Zods army to the phantom zone and ends up killing Zod to save a human family. He chooses Earth instead of Krypton.

Normally he sends Zod to a black hole for eternity? Death is way better guys. Also goat sound track and fights.

There is very little wrong with Man of Steel. I would have had Pa Kent have a heart attack and Zod be pushed into the phantom zone with everyone else but as the movie is they accomplish the same goals.

>>85547458

And they were willing to do it in New York City.

>>85547458
No?
It was some kind of meme broscience fake magicpsuedoscience thing irrc.
only saw it in theaters tho.

>>85547387
I don't mind that DC films do something different than expected and get roasted because of it but the problem is just craftsmanship

If they were legit well made or put together they wouldn't be scored so low

>>85547420
>Keep in mind, Lex talks to New Gods.
what the fuck does this even mean

>>85547467
>You can't hype up Day Versus Night
>villain says something
>get mad at movie
Are you really that stupid?
Honestly?

>>85547450
Thirded. Now we sit back and wait to be called shills.

>>85547515
no, it was literally a nuclear missile

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>>85547518
>If they were legit well made or put together they wouldn't be scored so low
TFA is well reviewed

>>85547500
This.
also pic related

>>85547387
>Man Of Steel
>Only problem is Zod
Yeah, no, Zod's death is just the biggest most glaring example of how the filmmakers did not understand what people were looking for in a Superman film.

>BvS
>Critics are pissed Batman kills guys
No. Critics found the movie too long, poorly edited, and without anyone to root for. Batman as a broody murderous psychopath has what should be a foil in Superman: who also portrays a broody murderous psychopath. The first 2 hours could've been 30 minutes and the last 30 minutes could've been 5.

>Suicide Squad
>It's too silly and campy
Yeah, that's not why people are shitting on it. The Trailer Park edit is laughably terrible on top of the script being a rush-job full of clunky exposition and absolutely no likable characters.

>>85547458

They nuked the portal. The Chitauri could apparently be puched by people without powers and literally no one died except some bozo who isn't even a comic book character who got his own show on ABC for some reason.

>Man of Steel releases
>Critics complain because it's a complete piece of shit

>Dawn of Justice releases
>Critics complain because it's a complete piece of shit

>Suicide Squad releases
>Critics complain because it's a complete piece of shit

Clearly WB's only option is to continue making complete pieces of shit because there's obviously a anti-DC conspiracy

>>85547544

The entire Batman versus Superman thing is supposed to be about two heroes with wildly conflicting ideologies and personalities duking it out when the conflicts between those ideologies and personalities are brought to the breaking point.

When your Superman is already brooding and sad and your Batman is almost the Punisher, sure, you're going to get a knock-down brawl, but it's no longer fucking Batman versus Superman, you fucking clod.

>>85547500
Pa, Pa was wrong, He should encourage Clark not deter him. I mean Snyder was also going for that with the cape dream thing but it was just confusing in the same film with "maybe let them die" and "let me die"

>>85547561
hmmm
okay
I really can't remember
first MCU movie that disappointed me in relation to the hype it was getting

>>85547515
It was a supernuke.

>>85547535

>summer fag doesn't know who the new gods are

You didn't see the "communion clip," on youtube or the extended clip of BvS? Um what are you even doing on this thread?

>>85547593
>>Man of Steel releases
>>Critics complain because it's a complete piece of shit
>>Dawn of Justice releases
>>Critics complain because it's a complete piece of shit
>>Suicide Squad releases
>>Critics complain because it's a complete piece of shit
(not true, by the way)

>>85547595
>The entire Batman versus Superman thing is supposed to be about two heroes with wildly conflicting ideologies and personalities duking it out
It's "supposed" to be about whetever the scriptwriter wants it to be about. Die.

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>>85547535
wew lad

>>85547576

>stop, invincible son
>don't go back for the dog
>if they see you lightly jog like I did, they'll know you're a superpowered alien
>if they see you run like the athletic teenager you are and pull my ankle free from where it's caught in the car (which they cannot see, so you wouldn't even have to hide the fact you can bend metal with your bare hands), they'll call the government
>be afraid to show your power, hesitate to save people from preventable deaths--even the people closest to you, even at no risk to yourself
>this will somehow inspire you to be anything other than a brooding, closed-in jerk who literally needs ANOTHER dad to come along and tell him he can be a hero

>>85547593

You do realize critics are baby boomers and hipsters that work for blogs and newspapers that no one reads? You do realize their job is to nitpick a movie to death and tell you what their "opinion" is?

Not exactly comic book fans or genre fans man.

>>85547467
>Cynical and paranoid asshole jaded by years of crime fighting
>Idealistic man who tries to use his abilities to help people but is continually shat on by paranoid and cynical world
>No difference

>>85547672
>can't refute the pic
kekeke

>>85547591
>They nuked the portal
Iron Man nuked the giant-ass mother-ship that was still sending more of them when he blew it up.

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>>85545524
Just watch this movie here, Triple 9
to see Gadot "acting"
Gadot is a fucking disaster

>>85547518

Honestly I like seeing they are trying something different at all. My biggest thing with DC movies is they could all be 10-15 minutes shorter with editing but thats not really too bad of a problem. Many of the visuals, fights and music have been pretty great so far. Usually it's 10-15 in the beginning of the movies that have problems imo

>>85547500
>I would have had Pa Kent have a heart attack and Zod be pushed into the phantom zone with everyone else
Except neither of those are really the problem. They're stupid and easy to latch onto as clear examples of where the film did something boneheaded, but changing those doesn't magically make Man of Steel a good movie.

It would still have plot holes out the ass, poor pacing due to re-edits, assloads of product placement, confused and conflicting themes and messages (Krypton is doomed because of the genetic caste system, but a born scientist can outfight a born soldier 1 on 1? The Codex is a symbol of the genetic caste system and everything wrong with Krypton, so I'm going to save it and fuse it with my newborn son? Genetic engineering spits in the face of natural selection and evolution, but Faora says she'll win because of evolution?), scenes that portray Superman as an emotionally stunted dick, and a finale where you get shown a city's worth of people fly into the air and then smash into the concrete and then are expected to give a flying fuck about a random family of four you've never seen.

>>85546473
They are not anti-semitics, they are anti-zionists
Some of them might even be non-zionists jews

I wish it were less obvious that the only reasons some of you guys like the DCEU are to spite Marvel and critics.

>>85547685
>Not exactly comic book fans or genre fans man.
This.
Not a single critic reads comics.

>>85547691
>>Idealistic man who tries to use his abilities to help people but is continually shat on by paranoid and cynical world
This was the main theme of BvS. People are shockingly reductive in their "Superman wasn't happy wahh" crying.
They simply REFUSE to consider a story about paranoia over a godlike being.

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>>85547672
>stop invincible son, don't use your powers to save me
>what if the townspeople who already know you have powers and think you're an angel because that's what I told them in a previous scene...oh wait
>SAVE ME SUPERM-

>>85547685
>>85547770

And? They're not reviewing them as comic books, they're reviewing them as films and as films the WB / DC releases have been awful.

>>85547747
>projecting
No one brought up SJW's until (You).

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>>85545846
>>I heard 4chan say she couldn't act but I finally watch BvS and didn't see anything wrong with her acting
>And that's why you're a pleb

In almost 100 years she can not speak English without an accent

>>85547797
>have been awful.
(not true, by the way)

>>85547801
Good thing english isn't supposed to be her first language.

>>85547770
>People are shockingly reductive in their "Superman wasn't happy wahh" crying.
Is this a joke? There is literally one sequence where we actually see Superman saving people and it's in slow-motion with sad music and dark lighting while he looks around sad and confused as if to say "uggggh, it's sooooo haaaaaard saving people goooood"

>>85547577

Who cares what people were looking for in a Superman film, I'd rather see what Superman is like in the comics, a space man brawler who doesn't take shit from evil aliens at all. Literally never been shown until MOS. He isn't a boyscout until he gets older and becomes a veteran, day on Supes would not be all smiles that's fucking stupid. Fuck Donner.

BvS could have been 30 minutes shorter but thats almost every cape movie lately. Also best depiction of Batman ever. That 5 minutes of him in the warehouse > Every Nolan flick

Suicide Squad is great and fun, It's amazing to me that it's the first supervillain movie.It feels young and crazy. It's not for whatever 50 something critic's dick you suck.

>>85547770
>They simply REFUSE to consider a story about paranoia over a godlike being.

>Dark Knight trilogy is praised for being realistic
>MoS and BvS go for a more realistic idea of how people today would react to Superman
>People whine
I don't get it.

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>>85544559

>>85547824
>Good thing english isn't supposed to be her first language.

Except for the fact that Amazons speak english to each other

>>85547650
>>85547824
>(not true, by the way)

So that's literally all you have?

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>>85547650

>It's "supposed" to be about whetever the scriptwriter wants it to be about. Die.

Sure, if the scriptwriter is making up their own fucking characters.

Tell you what. I'm going to make Tom Holland play young, quippy Spider-Man with all the angst and misery of Spider-Man from Reign. I'm going to kill all his friends off in a bus crash and have him fail to save Aunt May 20 minutes into the movie. I'm going to have him go full Spider-Man No More 25 minutes into the movie and only throw the spandex back on for 5 minutes at the very end. In the meantime we can see him drift from job to job on the east coast, scowling the entire time. And when people say I made a shitty Spider-Man adaptation, you can defend me.

>>85547685

Reminder that the first high-profile "I didn't make this movie for critics" statement came from Kevin Smith when he made fucking Jersey Girl

Good critics understand some basic tenets of screenwriting and filmmaking. Not everyone can be Roger Ebert, but a bunch of people agreeing something you like = bad doesn't mean the entire critical field is bullshit.

>>85547697

I explicitly refuted the logic of the pic. Pa doesn't show him that he should be willing to save anyone, even animals--he shows him that he shouldn't risk detection, no matter how easily he can save people, because even while watching his father die an agonizing death he must be too afraid to act.

Hell, Pa's death by heart attack makes a better statement: he has all the power in the world, but Superman can't make people immortal. Rather than "be so afraid that you'd rather watch me die than help me."

>>85547770

>Not a single critic reads comics.

I guarantee you everyone at the AV Club reads comics, and they still hate DC's shitty movies.

>>85547830
You are actually mentally handicapped. I'm not being hyperbolic, you are dangerously stupid.

>>85547797

That's the thing they really aren't bad and not knowing about comic books, alot of things are lost on you. Parademons, mother boxes etc.

Critics love shit like Finding Dory and Kubo, they are literally rated 9/10 movies. Are they good? Are they for babies? No and YES. They have the same rating as Godfather and Goodfellas LOL

Get the critics dicks out of your mouths and realize they are opinions of fat newspaper/blogger faggots. Lets not pretend they are one of us or care about anything like comic books or genre flicks.

>>85547500
>MOS was Superman comics for the first time.
Let's examine this.
>Krypton is a planet full of life with a weird sexless caste system that is full of hubris and is doomed.
Not always. In fact, the sexless caste system thing is really only from Byrnes Man of Steel and was done in tandem with the Birthing Matrix stuff in order to say that Clark was born on earth. Which is a characterization thing to further the idea that he identifies earth as the only home he's got, loves, or ever had.

>Clark is a nerd and hides his powers but can't stop trying to save people in secret his entire life.
Except for all those times he plays football in high school and dates a hot redhead and hangs out with his buddy Pete and goes into the future to fight evil with the Legion of Superheroes.

>When Clark discovers his heritage he becomes Superman a symbol for hope
Sure if you ignore all the times he acts heroic before discovering his heritage. And, going back to the first point; Clark's heritage isn't as big as it was in the comic of the same name you're trying to claim precedence for. He misses Krypton yes, but only as a "what might have been", not as a "this is my identity now and I'm embracing it".

>Zod arrives and wants to terraform Earth and represents the worst of Krypton.
Zod isn't even that relevant to the mythos.

>Superman wins and sends most of Zods army to the phantom zone and ends up killing Zod to save a human family.
I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the contrivances to get to that point.

> He chooses Earth instead of Krypton.
Which, again, should never have been a choice in the first place, and to make it so belies a misunderstanding of the humanistic side of the character.

>Normally he sends Zod to a black hole for eternity? Death is way better guys. Also goat sound track and fights.
You're entitled to your opinion. I felt the death was forced, the sound track wasn't memorable, and the fights were boring because of no battle damage.

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>>85547831
>Who cares what people were looking for in a Superman film
Those people?

You know, the ones who were supposed to pay to see the film to make it a success?

>I'd rather see what Superman is like in the comics, a space man brawler who doesn't take shit from evil aliens at all
Then you're in a tiny minority. Most people know and love Superman as the boy scout, not the angry douche he is in nu52.

>BvS could have been 30 minutes shorter
It could have been an hour and 30 minutes shorter.
>Best depiction of Batman ever
It was a poor-mans Miller Batman and even then Miller's Batman had a reason to be so unnecessarily brutal.

>Suicide Squad is great and fun
Suicide Squad had a terrible script for obvious reasons and then they handed the results of that bad script to a company that doesn't make movie edits. The result is a bad movie that's hacked up and out of order with insanely terrible music choices and the occasional purple filter.

>>85547871
>Dark Knight trilogy is praised for being realistic
Nolan is also NOTORIOUS for writing (with his writer) extreme amount of expository dialogue to hold the audience's hand. He admits this when talking about Interstellar.

That's why critics eat up his movies and not BvS.

>>85547881

One look at your image...

Yeah not reading the post man sorry

>>85547871
It's almost like people want dark and gritty with Batman but not with Superman

Who'd a thunk?

>>85547881
>Tell you what. I'm going to make Tom Holland play young, quippy Spider-Man with all the angst and misery of Spider-Man from Reign. I'm going to kill all his friends off in a bus crash and have him fail to save Aunt May 20 minutes into the movie. I'm going to have him go full Spider-Man No More 25 minutes into the movie and only throw the spandex back on for 5 minutes at the very end. In the meantime we can see him drift from job to job on the east coast, scowling the entire time. And when people say I made a shitty Spider-Man adaptation, you can defend me.
Why not?
The only argument against this is muh status quo,

>>85547880
It's all I need.

With all the constant BvS threads, and that one anon (you know who you are), I think we've finally found /co/'s Abatap.

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>>85547831
>I'd rather see what Superman is like in the comics, a space man brawler who doesn't take shit from evil aliens at all. Literally never been shown until MOS. He isn't a boyscout until he gets older and becomes a veteran, day on Supes would not be all smiles that's fucking stupid. Fuck Donner.

>>85547576
TFA is well put together as a film but as a Star Wars story it is flaming dogshit.

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>>85547893
147 IQ

>>85547881
>I guarantee you everyone at the AV Club reads comics
'no'

>>85547824
>Good thing english isn't supposed to be her first language.


They have more than 5,000 years, the problem is that BVS writers, they put Wondy as a normal woman with super force, but with a "normal" intelligence

>>85547913
>alot of things are lost on you. Parademons, mother boxes etc
bingo

>>85547918
>no refution
>still needs to post
yikes

>>85547918

>Brynes MOS has been around for like 40 years, it's a better thing to base Superman on then Donner's non-comic reading ass

>In MOS he does none of these things, did you want to see the Legion in a Superman origin movie? I get it but no way that would ever happen.

>Zod is one of the best Superman villains man.

>Superman always chooses Earth. If you don't know this or didn't understand why a origin movie had to show it then you are truly lost.

Again the fights had battle damage. In fact that was the biggest complaint about the movie. There was too much damage LOL

>>85547968
It breaks storytelling precepts just as Snyder's films do.

It just LOOKS better made.

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>>85547972
>online IQ tests

>>85547921
You have to keep in mind guys like that think that good fight scenes are all it takes to make a good rendition of the characters. Superman fights Zod, so he's awesome. Batman has a combat sequence that looks like it's from the Arkham games, so he's the best Batman ever on film.

...Even though Snyder's action sequences and choreography can be done by amateurs on youtube.

>>85547921

Why do people think day one/year one Supes is a boyscout? He doesn't act like that until he is an established hero.

Bitch about BvS all you like but it should have been an 1.5 hr shorter? LOL hyperbole patrol.

SS had a solid script, director, actors and music. The only problem was like 15 mins of editing which honestly can be said of most modern movies.

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>>85548039
>It just LOOKS better made.
>Abrams flick looks better than Snyder flick

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>>85548043
>tested multiple times with a PhD Psychologist administering the test

>>85547500
You're more or less describing the Byrne revision to the Superman mythos which is largely the problem with MOS. It's should have went Silver/Golden Age instead. THey're ultimately a much purer interpretation of the best of the Superman world.

>>85548054
>You have to keep in mind guys like that think that good fight scenes are all it takes to make a good rendition of the characters

So you make up boogeymen to feel superior to?

>>85548081
>arguing with mental midgets

DC DINDU NUFFIN


DC A GOOD BOI

It's sad that Cavill emotes better off camera than on it

Also he looks like he got a dose of Joker venom

Why is this board so bitter and insecure when it comes to film taste? Almost all of you are as bad as /tv/ is when it comes to film taste.

It's just a film, for fuck's sake. Just because you like one thing and you don't like another, doesn't mean you're better than everyone else.

I think it's time we all go out and meet some people.

>>85548089
sure thing champ

And I graduated Harvard with a 9.0 GPA.

>>85545405

Because Episode 4 was very much "muh Star Wars" and even beyond that, it was a decently put together film.

>>85547956
>The only argument against this is muh status quo,

Glad to know you have no problem with arbitrary changes, either minor or major, to established characters beloved for specific reasons.

>>85547963

I have some issues with Birthright, but holy shit it got Superman so much better than Snyder ever will.

>>85547983

They've got a comics review section and everything, anon. Let me guess, the site's too hipster for you?

>>85548054

This. This is exactly it. People act like Man of Steel was amazing because Superman finally fights someone who doesn't have to gimp him with Kryptonite and isn't named Nuclear Man. The problem is there's another two fucking hours of that movie and they're almost all terrible.

>>85548124
Because fighting on behalf of each one of the big 2 is serious business.

>>85544559

Wonder Woman always was a shit character that everybody hate since Linda Carter times.

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>>85548081
>Why do people think day one/year one Supes is a boyscout?
Who cares? People know and like Superman as the boy scout so for a feature film that's what you give them. You can't give people a dark and broody Superman they never asked for and be surprised when they turn down your offer.

>should have been
Could. Could have been. Two different words, anon.

>SS had a solid script
It's clunky and contrived with shitloads of exposition
>director
Ayers is ok, but I don't think anyone would claim he's an amazing director.
>actors
Jai Courtney, Will Smith, Margot Robbie, and literally who's
>music
The music was chosen and thrown in by Trailer Park and doesn't fit anything. It's surface level trailer garbage that was chosen purely because the lyrics fit in very surface-level way. Probably one of the worst features of the movie.

>The only problem was like 15 mins of editing
Not only was the bad editing a problem throughout the entire film, the scenes themselves have plenty of issues without being chopped up and re-arranged with the original score replaced to pretend to be Guardians.

>>85548109
Only the sterile Krypton stuff can be traced to Byrne. It was mainly to contrast with the warm loving down to earth Kents but of course Snyder fumbled that.

>>85548165
>Glad to know you have no problem with arbitrary changes, either minor or major, to established characters beloved for specific reasons.
????
>character has been around for 80 years
>can't mix it up

>>85548165
>hipster
No, it's too much of a rag.

>>85548015
>Everyone that disagrees with me is one person.

>>85548034
Look, if you want to base a movie on Byrne's Man of Steel, I'm okay with that. But that's not what Snyder did. He combined Man of Steel, Earth One, Birthright, and Miracleman, run through a filter of Matthew 26:36-46.

If he'd picked ONE of those, it would've been just fine.

I'd be okay with not seeing the Legion because the story requires Clark to feel alone in having superpowers. Him not having a social life as a kid however, is not the same thing. It's not too much to ask for.

>Zod is one of the best Superman villains man.
It's funny that you keep going "fuck Donner" and then say that one of the best Superman villains is one that's only popular because of Donner. I'd rather have Parasite, or Brianiac, or Metallo, or Mongul, or hell even Maxima. might be nice before Zod again.

>Superman always chooses Earth. If you don't know this or didn't understand why a origin movie had to show it then you are truly lost.
You're ignoring my point. It's a forgone conclusoion that he's going to choose earth so basing your central conflict on it makes for a boring narrative. There's no surprise that he's going to defend earthlings and prevail, especially not when you go in knowing that they're trying to use the movie as a springboard for an entire universe. It makes it boring.

>Again the fights had battle damage. In fact that was the biggest complaint about the movie. There was too much damage LOL
In my defense the character limit meant I had to truncate that. My problem is that CLARK AND ZOD take no battle damage. I don't give a shit about buildings and NPCs in the background. I want to see Clark bleed. Film is a visual medium, right? Show me that Clark is barely able to keep up with the supposedly superior Zod. Have him get bruised at least.

>>85548175
Oh anfd Byrne had him Zod but it's too different and barely comparable

>>85548165
But the fights in Man of Steel were terrible. CGI blob 1 smashing into CGI blob 2 with no one sweating or becoming tired or getting hurt, not a fucking hair on their head ends up out of place.

>>85548172
>Ayers
Why should I indulge you when you don't even know the name of the guy you are criticizing?
And it's not a typo, you said "Ayers" in another thread earlier.

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>>85548081
>Why do people think day one/year one Supes is a boyscout? He doesn't act like that until he is an established hero.
Except for when he does.

>>85544559
>>Suicide Squad releases
>>Critics complain about "not muh strong and independent Harley"


And suddenly everybody knows suicide squad, joker, harley, Jesus.

is like really kikes and those ones fault.

>>85548218
>CGI blob 1 smashing into CGI blob 2 with no one sweating or becoming tired or getting hurt
>what is drone army boss fights in both Avengers movies

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>>85548231
>I read the whole post and have no rebuttal, so I'm going to point out an errant S and pretend I didn't just get fucking told
ok

So let me get this straight.

Professionals, whose job is to be as objective as they can be, and get paid to give an honest opinion, are biased against a company they have no reason to give a shit about, but the fanboys of this company , who are invested in said company and its products, are not biased, but in fact are more intelligent than anyone who disagrees with them.


This is the worst case of mass denial I've seen. At this point DC fans are as reasonable as feminists on the internet.

>>85548242
>didn't watch MoS
The oil rig scene you drooling idiot.

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>>85544559
>How will critics next complain about the character of Wonder Women?
Most likely the women are portrayed ''wrong'', whatever that means, and they'll pin it all on Snyder and Johns who don't understand women and are being misogynistic.

>>85548216
It kind of isn't comperable.
Snyder's Clark kills Zod during his first major outing as Superman, within 48 hours of Zod making himself known to anyone.

Byrne's Clark kills Zod after years of having a no kill code, after Zod has killed an entire dimension's worth of people.

The actions are the same but the context is different.Snyder has Clark kill to establish the no kill code, Byrne did it to TEST the code after it had been established.

>>85548279
nope
you showed your hand
no waving it off now

>>85548285
Not biased, ignorant.

>>85548264
Those suck too, anon. I haven't said shit about Marvel movies. Why would you assume I think garbage like Age of Ultron is good out of hand like that? Do you think only people who slobber all over Marvel can dislike DC's objectively shitty movies?

Marvel has done objectively better than DC but through consistent mediocrity, not excellence, and their films have been dropping in quality for a while now. Iron Man 1 is still the best movie they've put out and the Avengers films are the worst.

>>85548285
>and get paid to give an honest opinion
paid to shill more like

>>85548198
>Him not having a social life as a kid

I'd be fine with this if it gives Lana and Pete more focus as his only friends and maybe superpower confidants.

I find it hard to believe he can be both a regular guy or even a jock back home and a timid nerd in the big city. He has to pick his act and stick with it early on.

>>85548287
Yeah, what about it? That proves my point too.
Hell, let's go even further back in MoS's chronological time line. Clark was a "boy scout" as an 11 year old. His asshole of a dad just guilt tripped it out of him

Your "hero's journey" character development is just a bunch of unnecessary angst to return Clark to the person he was as a fucking CHILD.

>>85548285
>Professionals, whose job is to be as objective as they can be, and get paid to give an honest opinion, are biased against a company they have no reason to give a shit about
Actually the aggregator site(s) that provide the vast majority of traffic to their reviews and therefore their entire livelihood are owned by WB, so they have incentive NOT to shit on the movie and they did anyway.

>>85546473

Leftists who dislike Zionism feel sorry for Palestinians displaced because of it. No problem with Jewish people in general.

Right wingers that hate Zionism do so because they hate Jewish people and think having their own nation is part of some larger plot.They don't really give a shit about Palestinians. Actually, everyone from that general part of the world is kind of suspect.

>>85548357
>That proves my point too.
Last (You) you'll get from me, bucko.
That calls for a big ol' WEW LAD.

>>85548218

Nah, anon. I fucking hated MoS and fucking hate Snyder's hacky take on Superman in general, but the fights were fucking boss.

>>85548342
Johns handled it pretty well in Secret Origins.
Clark is a regular kid that plays football but as his strength increases he gets more afraid of hurting people (a known and showcased risk instead of the implied one of MoS) so he starts with the nerd thing so that he has an excuse to back out of sports and the like.

And I think you can show Clark as both. The greater problem is that the Snyderverse, for all its talk about redefining the genre, saw NO problem taking the whole "secret identity" thing for granted. Clark just shows up at the Daily Planet wearing glasses. The entire dilemna of the movie is 'how can I exist among humans" and the resolution to that is glossed over for shots of him running through corn with a cape (because his genes told him to!) and "he's kinda hot".

>>85548285

>At this point DC fans are as reasonable as feminists on the internet.

my god. you're right. they're the bizarro equivalent of tumblrinas who decry universally beloved movies for being too problematic.

>>85548360
see
>>85548309

There was that review going around that the film felt like homework because she didn't know what the bugs were and what ding ding ding was in reference too.
If you read comics, you'd know.
It's like criticizing Pirates of the Caribbean for not spoonfeeding you exactly what the east india trading company was.

>>85548370
>right-wingers that hate zionism
Do those exist?

Most American Jews I know no longer support Israel and think Bibi is a war criminal.

Most American Christians I know support Isreal implicitly, mainly because Israel needs to exist and be in the hands of the Jews for the end-times to come.

>>85548285

Fanboys can't be objective. They think a simple thing like Harley Quinn appearing in a movie is a big positive when objectively it means absolutely nothing in terms of quality of the movie. What DC fans can't understand is that the average critic doesn't and shouldn't care that their 2D waifu showed up, looked sexy, and read some shitty dialogue in an annoying voice.

>>85548443
Esotericism doesn't make a good narrative, much less a good adaptation.

I don't give a shit how many images Snyder rips from the pages if he's going to shred the context on the way out and replace it with whatever bullshit shallow "meaning" he wants.

>>85548443
>there was a review from someone else's perspective and it didn't match my perspective, therefore all criticisms of the movie are invalid!
If you watch the first 15 minutes of Suicide Squad and don't recognize how blatantly terrible the editing and music is your opinion on film is worthless.

>>85548450
But I think HQ is a shit meme character and enjoyed the movie in spite of her.

>>85548175
>Farmhand background
>Kents alive into his adulthood
>Dystopic Krypton centered around Eugenics
>Clark first, Superman is a mask
>Everything Krypton related being treated like cancer

Sorry buddy but this is a Byrne born shitsadwhich, stop trying to distance Byrne from his bad ideas.

>>85548436
I hate to say it, but DC movie fans went full safe space after MoS and it only got worse with each installment. But hey its impossible for me to call out WB on their sloppy work, I must be a MCUck right? I honestly cant tell whats shitposting anymore

>>85548446

As mentioned, the right wingers who hate Zionism are usually the conspiracy theorists who think the holocaust was a scam, that Jewish people control the media/economy, and as a result, hate Jewish people in general. They tend to be less religious.

There are lots of kinds of right wingers just like there are lots of different kinds of left wingers.

>>85548502
I think they retreated inwards after MoS was really bad expecting Batman v Superman to be great and then they could go back and say Man of Steel was only ever bad in comparison.

Then BvS was somehow worse.

Suicide Squad was DCEU's last hope and it's an even bigger mess than BvS was due to the widespread stories of executive meddling.

Fans have retreated to their hugboxes and refuse to let facts in. To them Suicide Squad is doing amazingly despite only making a little over 200 million domestically in two weeks

>>85548311

Different anon and I will probably get a bunch of shit for this but I think every Disney movie is a 6/10. Better than average, kind of silly and good for one watch. DC has been trying to do something different from Disney and is getting skewered by the media for it. I like what DCs is doing in Tv and the movies and I honestly don't get the hate.

>>85548565
I will agree that DC is taking more risks than Marvel/Disney.

I will disagree that those risks have done anything but blow up in their faces repeatedly.

They're a giant multinational corporation, they don't get credit for trying.

>>85548489
You're absolutely right, but by this logic it's just as much Superman Earth One or Birthright. By this logic, Batman v Suerman is based on JLA: The Nail.
What happens isn't neatly as important as why and how.

>>85548502
I'm a "DCuck".

Let's be civil for a minute.
I saw MoS in theaters. Didn't really like it as I had been hyping myself up with the donner and singer films. (only read teen titians back then).

But I watched it again a year later and realized that for me, the biggest problem I had was the lack of John Williams. Now I love ZImmer's score and the film.

BvS came out and I loved every second. I read the comics of these characters daily, having them be a little more deconstructionist in the films is great, as they just supplemet the comics for me.
I REALLY don't get the Snyder hate. SS was butchered tho. Had some good parts but eh.

TL;DR- Dr. Snyder, or how I learned to stop not muhing and love the grit

>>85548565
>They take risks
>They're doing something different.

Doing something different and risky when the thing you're being different to is generally well regarded and successful means you have to accept the possibility of failure.

>>85548606
While Marvel does stay within their formula, I would argue Ant Man, Guardians, and Doctor Strange were decent risks.

>>85548629
supplement*
wew it's late

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>>85548629
>corrupting the title of one of the best movies ever made in defense of batman vs motherfucking superman

>>85548642
>Ant Man
not at all
.Guardians
star wars has been a proven money maker,
>Doctor Strange
If they don't cop out on the magic like they so far, maybe.
SS beat them to the punch with straight up magic though.

>>85548637
>>85548565
And let's not forget that one of the biggest problems with Suicide Squad is that after taking that risk and hiring a director who had something he wanted to do, they turned around and forced reshoots and gave his film to another studio to make a competing edit.

>>85548673
Strangelove is extremely overrated. It's great, but not the untouchable masterpiece some people say.

2001 is much, much better.

>>85548697
yeah WB is getting cold feet
I don't blame them in some ways, but it's kind of embarrassing.

t. DCEU fan

>>85548686
How was Ant Man not a risk? I understand your reasoning for the other 2, but I would think marketing alone for Ant Man was a bit difficult

>>85544559
I honestly couldn't give a fuck. If I like the movie then I like it and if I don't like it then don't, obviously. I like both Marvel and DC, but we keep on getting into fights about what's better then we're just acting like a bunch of losers.

It doesn't really matter what we like and don't like. There's other problems with the world out there and we could be dealing with them instead of arguing about which films from what companies are better.

But then again, I should never expect /co/ to act civilized towards anything.

>>85548737
>but I would think marketing alone for Ant Man was a bit difficult
The MCU had been established as a fun way too kill two hours for a while, and shrinking Paul Rudd is an easy sell.

>>85548502

What really kills me is they've decided the entire field of film criticism must be aligned against them. Surely, people who've been doing this their entire lives must not know a thing about what actually makes a good movie.

Like...I love Blade Trinity. It is a gloriously stupid movie with proto-Deadpool and a Reaver Pomeranian. But it's also a piece of shit. Clunky dialogue, completely unnecessary characters thrown in to have two scenes and then die, nonsense powers given to Drake so he can be tougher than the previous movie's villains, Snipes barely even trying to act. It got critically eviscerated, and rightfully so. But apparently because I enjoy something despite it being a shlocky piece of shit, critics have no right to call it a shlocky piece of shit.

Lucas can say he made the Star Wars prequels for himself, not for critics. That doesn't make them good movies.

>>85548786
>Surely, people who've been doing this their entire lives must not know a thing about what actually makes a good movie.
TFA got good reviews

Also,
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-the-seven-star-wars-films-reveal-about-george-lucas

DC will be taking the same route GB did.

They'll try to paint people who dislike the movie as simply disliking female comic characters.

Screencap this.

>>85548637

>Wait, why the fuck are you putting cardamom, garam masala, and sardines in the tomato bisque?
>I'm doing something DIFFERENT!

>>85544559
I was actually angry Harley wasn't a pathetic bitch clinging to some psycho's dick.

>>85548264
Avengers take battle damage though. It's surface level cuts on foreheads and spit lips and stuff, but it's more than Superman took in Man of Steel's Zod fight.

>>85548812
shut up
you are lowering the quality of the dialogue (an impressive feat i'll admit)

>>85548837
Superman is nearly indestructible?
The times he gets battl damge inth comics is vastly outwayedby the times he doesn't,

>>85548565

Marvel can follow the formula all they want because it's a great formula and they invented it.

>>85548809

What didn't you like about TFA?

>>85548785
If we go by what should be easy sells on paper then Batman v Superman qualifies far more than Ant Man.

>>85548872
When he's fighting someone who is equal power to him should be one of those times.

>>85548837
In fact the credits sequence for Avengers is "look at all the close up battle damage to their gear and costumes"

>>85548891
Not the plot Terrio wrote about alienation.
Only the title.


>>85548880
It was great. If I disagree my opinion is wrong because i'm in the minority.

>>85548916
No?
He fights Amazo in the comics(JLA classified by Milligan) without a scratch for fucks sake.

>>85548944
>Not the plot Terrio wrote about alienation.
While I agree with you, that whole alientation thing was present in Man of Steel as well. Which is yet another reason why it's so disappointing, we already got that movie and Clark supposedly learning that lesson only to repeat it again.

But either way, yeah, it goes to show that "An easy sell on paper" doesn't actually mean shit if your execution turns people off.

Pandering to the minority of the audience that constantly wants to "fix" Superman and make him badass wasn't a good idea, because those people were just that, a minority. The character needs to be reconstructed, whereas the Snyders have already admitted they stopped at the deconstruction.

>>85548970
And you can tell how stupid that is, can't you?

>>85549019
No.

>>85549019
People like him never can.

>>85549014
>hat whole alientation thing was present in Man of Steel as well.
Terrio did it better than Goyer though so I was okay with a retread.
Anyway, whether Snyder wants it or not JL is gonna be quiptastic so we won't be getting a similar story.

>>85546174
You don't have to agree with every single thing an individual says when you agree with them on one specified thing.

For fucks sake.

I want /tv/ to leave.

>>85549148
Yes, but I consider TFA so awful that it would be to hard to rationalize away why a critic felt the way they did if they liked it.
It's more likely they just aren't very good at being "critical".

>>85549152
And want people to appreciate good filmmaking when it comes a' knockin'.

>>85545271
Well, to be fair, BvS and MoS were both pretty bad, and Skwad was okay at best. WB hasn't really had a great track record with their last few movies.

>>85546473
>Anti-semitism is not a stereotypically leftist trait
You're talking to people who can't distinguish them from Nazis.

Anything can be a stereotypical trait of anybody if you hate them enough. That's pretty much how stereotypes work.

>>85549222
That'd be easier to do if /tv/ left.
"I like it because critics hate it" doesn't make for the appreciation of good film making.

>>85549230
It's actually more like "another DC movie? eh" rather than "another Warner movie? eh"

>>85549230
>Well, to be fair, BvS and MoS were both pretty bad
no
nah
nope
no daddio
'no'
negator-e
NOT
negative

>>85548838

Make me faggot

Zack Snyder makes pizza with a mayo base instead of pizza sauce and then complains that no one likes his unique take on pizza and he made his unique mayo pizza for true pizza fans

>>85544559
>implying this is why those films were critical failures

They were shit films OP, stop this dumb company wars bullocks.

If you want good DC films, don't support WB's current formula of shitting all over their properties with poor directing and editing.

>>85549014
Snyder didn't deconstruct Superman at all, he just used a more human, Ennis-like, Superman who has doubts, fears, and can't always be there.

There is a reason why Superman's thematic parallel in BvS is Senator Finch.

>>85549431
>Snyder didn't deconstruct Superman at all
Tell his wife that.

>>85549426
>They were shit films OP
no
nah
nope
no daddio
'no'
negator-e
NOT
negative
Thats a BIG OL' N TO THE O

>>85549520
But BvS and MoS came out and were great. This forced meme about a dceu cycle is quaint.

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>>85544559
>Critics complain about "not muh strong and independent Harley"
Those weren't the majority complaints you lying shit.

It was the tone was all over the place and was too light.

>>85545405
Dude if you really think that Force Awakens is just as bad as BvS or Man of Steel you are fucking delusional.

>>85549596
*much much worse
ftfy

DC keks should get their own containment board.

>>85549596
You don't notice it as much because of the narrative shifts and fast pacing, but Kylo Ren is the only lead with logical character progression. There's some questionable logical choices in plot as well. And on more personal opinion note, JJ Abrams disinterest in establishing shots and haphazard placement of emotional beats really undercuts his directing.

>>85549989

It's called /tv/

What we need is mods that keep them there

>>85547387
So much delusion in one post.

>>85550329
good refutation phabamily

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Is there anything more hilarious than a delusional DC fan? Your films are shit, your favorite movie studio doesn't respect you or the comic source material; they're just after a quick buck, so they try to imitate films better than them in effort to make money. They're fools and you're fools for blindly supporting them.

>>85550498
see
>>85549276

The fuck is going on in this thread? When did co turn into tv? Nothing but buzzwords and shitposting

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>>85544559
>Gal Gadot CANT ACT
>from the writer of PAN
>rumored to have on set rewrites
There is no way this movie will be good. Sorry you can't be objective about how shit these movie are and don't know how to separate your love of the comics with the massive flaws of the movies.

>>85544559
ITT: snyder circlejerk about how a movie that is clearly going to suck will be amazing and there's a mystical conspiracy to hate WB despite being a Sony-tier studio

>>85552886
They completely rewrote the script, the Pan guy is not credited at all

>>85545252
>Gal Gadot
>Impossible standards

Fucking kek