Anyone notice that all the bad guys in Korra seemed to be totally

It's Hillary Clinton the cartoon

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>>85516471
Kuvira is more trustworthy than Hillary.

>>85516546
The serpent in the garden of eden is more trustworthy than Hillary.

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>Hey guys maybe non-benders are sick of benders wrecking their shit and being powerless about it
>hey guys maybe we could unite the split water tribe into a single nation like all the others, loljk let's open a door to hell
>hey guys maybe this godhead-figure is no good for society and people should learn to keep balance within themselves rather than look to a savior for aid
>hey guys, Earth Kingdom's gonna run this shit because you keep letting people open spirit holes and fuck up your lame multicult city
What was Korra fighting for, if not preservation as an obligation?

>>85516631
Korra represents the established world order.

I always compared Korra storytelling with jumping off a plane with no parachute. They put challenge before themselves they weren't equiped to tackle, and the story fell apart like a man who fell off the plane on a rock would.

>>85516631
It's weird how reactionary fiction always is. I guess people are naturally inclined to favor status quo over unknown, but I think it's weird to see Kuvira vilified like this.

I mean, what is more American then a republican movement overthrowing a monarch and securing national independence?
Actually there is one thing - meddling in other nations affairs and trying to install puppet regimes against populist movements. So yeah, it makes sense after all.

I am still mad at how Amon went full retard

>>85516458
Ridiculous how Kuvira randomly went fill Hitler.

I feel like Bryke felt too inspired by Game of Thrones by having a million minor characters and trying to have 200 different plotlines but nothing ever came together

>>85516458

The writers got more and more schizophrenic as this abortion of an otherwise planned pregnancy of a series went on.

I can't even excuse it as making the subject "too challenging". They were sophomoric themes of tackling issues of race/class struggles at best. They legit just got cold feet and would backtrack on everything they were building up to for seemingly no reason other than being afraid of morally grey outcomes. In the end, Korra absolutely had to be the good girl who always ended up fighting on the "right side", which tended to be the more hippy dippy "why can't we all just get along and quash dissenters of the status quo?" side.

>>85516458
At least Ozai stayed FOR TEH EVULKZ from start till the end.

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>>85516471
>>85516546
>>85516572

>>85517047
I can respect a good "evil for evil's sake" villain. Shame Ozai didn't get more screentime.

>>85516763

Protagonists in fiction are never allowed to be agents of change unless they are up against an Evil Empire (tm) that is so cartoonishly evil that there can be no doubt that the protagonists are in the right to remove them.

In all other cases, the protagonists job is to make sure that someone else is not successful in THEIR attempt to do a thing.

>>85517047
His motivation was the same as Kuviras, they wanted to make their respective nations great.

>>85516458
>Anyone notice that The Legend of Korra was a steaming pile of shit with the sole redeeming feature of spawning some good porn?
Yes, we did notice that.

>>85517108
Hey, just because she's running against perhaps the most retarded and evil man to ever win the nomination of a major party doesn't mean that she's actually a good person.

>>85517108
CTR please leave

>>85516458
That's what happens when bad writers try to tackle bigger issues

Instead of having the story show both sides of the debate and that their are good and bad people on both, they just go oh this person is very bad thus their points are invalid.

>>85517108
Solely because of Donald trump's campaign being utterly inept. If literally anyone else was running, it would be a Republican landslide right now.

Also that chart means nothing if people don't vote. Statistically it's been proven the more that people think their side will win, the less likely they are to vote themselves.

>>85517119
>Protagonists in fiction are never allowed to be agents of change unless they are up against an Evil Empire (tm) that is so cartoonishly evil that there can be no doubt that the protagonists are in the right to remove them.
Even if empire is evil, they fight it usually to restore what was before it. I don't think there was any story where bad king overthrown good king and instead of installing good kind good guys would skip to democracy.

>>85517215
Statistically it's been proven the more that people that think that winning is hopeless, the more will stay home and not bother.

>>85517241
Which is why CTR continually spams any corner of the internet they can with pro-Hillary polls, it's not even a conspiracy when it's their stated goal.

>>85516631
Even Toph thought that all of Korra's enemies had good points.

>>85517108
Nate Silver is an establishment shill, and since Trump went over the top the Clintonites went into full damage control mode. National polls are absolutely rigged - they oversample democrats to a ludicrous degree. Don't trust the mainstream media.

>>85517263
CTR? No. I just like rubbing salt in the wound. You guys are losing THAT badly and you're so delusional about it. It's great.

>>85517047
At least it was a complete reverse.

For 2 seasons we had no idea how this powerful firelord who banished his own son and gave semen to birth Azula looks like, sounds like.

Turns out he's just a dude who continues something that his ancestors started and then it turns out he's voiced by Joker

>>85517194

No, it's what happens when a show that has to pass Y7 ratings on Nick tries to tackle bigger issues.

The original series was basically a kid's show that didn't ever actually tackle war, dictatorships, genocide, or other touchy concepts. It just alluded to them, but then got back into the kid stuff pretty quickly. That made it seem like it had depth. There was so much more to say.

Korra tried to start off tackling more mature issues, but since it was a kid's show aimed at a kid demographic, it was hobbled by just how far it could go. So it had to actually pull back, making it seem shallower.

It's the difference between diving into the shallow end of the pool and finding out it's got places that are 10 feet deep and diving into the deep end and finding out most of it is only 3 feet deep.

>>85517228
Change is rarely good.

Often, it is only good when it is a change from something worse.

Usually it is a change from "Alright" to "Not good" rather than from "Great" to "Shit"

>>85517282
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Yeah, sure, kid. Firmly grasp those straws.

>>85517297
There is no reason to be discussing politics on /co/ other than you needing to Correct The Record.

>>85517108
It's always weird looking at maps like this because in Canada the party colours are red for good guys, blue for bad guys. It always takes me a second to remember it's the opposite for you.

>>85517318
Tell that to the people up above. They felt the need to discuss politics.

>>85517311
Your post would only make sense if in Korra they didn't bring up those issues very obviously to begin with. The ideas were allowed to get out their they were just too incompetent to complete a story with them

>>85516631
I still think that Unalaq would've worked great as a Khomeini-type figure. They started with a return-to-tradition, anti-materialism thing with him and it really had potential. Shame how like every other thing with potential in Korra it got scrapped. Understandable and relatable motivations? Nawwww, he's just an evil devil-worshipper.

It really is crazy how they completely dropped that point about him and it never came up again. That and the whole big thing the triads were planning in early season 1 going nowhere gives me a real strong feeling that they were writing out of their ass - probably little to no outline, and everything subject to change on a whim. "Oh, I'm bored of 1920s stuff. Let's have an Evangelion mecha fight!"

>>85517349
*good goys, bad goys

>>85517316
>0.02 shekels have been deposited in your account.

>>85517318
Exactly.

>>85517282

Funny how that didn't seem to be the case when, after the RNC, Silver was saying that Trump was in a decent lead in the polls.

But I guess its only a conspiracy if you are losing. All facts are convenient until they are not what you want to hear.

>Anyone notice that all the bad guys in Korra seemed to be totally right until halfway through the season they suddenly turned all FOR TEH EVULKZ?
That was basically my only problem with LoK. I mean I had other problems, but that was the only problem that had a major detrimental effect on the show for me.

They just squander all these great storylines for no reason.

>>85517316
>Results for the week of August 8, 2016 through August 14, 2016 are among a national sample of 15,179 registered voters (+/- 1.2%), 4,327 registered Republican voters (+/-2.3%) and 4,720 registered Democratic voters (+/-2.1%). Complete error estimates can be found in the methodology section below
https://www.scribd.com/document/321277283/NBC-News-SurveyMonkey-Toplines-and-Methodology-8-8-8-14
So, they got almost 20% more democrats, which is assuming they didn't put a few democrats in the "independent" category.

And that's before they massage the data.

>>85517361
This really corrects my record

>>85517371
"I'm going to provide for my people...and also unleash the spirit of darkness and become the Dark Avatar!"
Yeah, Unalaq's character made zero sense after a while, and his kids just sort of going "meh" when he died helped make him forgettable as fuck.

>>85517409
I know this, you know this, that anon knows this too, but you don't need to respond to a paid shill as they contractually cannot change their minds no matter how much data you throw at them.

>>85517311
>So it had to actually pull back
Like that time they made a character literally hitler with camps?
Like when Korra was made disabled?
Like when someone blew their own face off?
Like boat suicide?

Korra didn't have to pull back on any of it, they were free to run with the ideas they just weren't good enough to do anything with them.

>>85517440
True, but it's important for the other anons to know exactly how badly they're being lied to.

>>85517409

You realize that's not actually evidence of some kind of conspiracy, right? That just means that they ran into more democrats than republicans in their sampling.

They are under no obligation to poll exactly 50% dems and 50% pubs. Indeed, doing so would undermine the very purpose of random polling.

There are problems with the modern polling system that make it often a poor cross section of the actual voting pool, but this is a perfectly valid result.

>>85516471
Hillary Clinton is not a conqueror

>>85517493
Dont correct their records by explaining how polling works. They need their bubble.

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>>85517184
It really is.
I almost think that Trump was paid off by the Clintons to run the worst campaign in the history of the USA, but for some reason there are still insane amounts of people eating it up.

It's a real "Springtime for Hitler" situation.

Anyway, more Kuvira

what they did with Unalaq bothered me the most.
First he's about opening the spirit portal and releasing Vaatu because it will be balance to oppose Raava, so its a whole yin yang shit, so he sounds like a bad guy but one with good intentions.
Then suddenly he's super evil and becomes the Dark Avatar for shits and giggles, and is then murdered by his own niece without anyone being bothered by it.

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>>85517478
I would hope that the majority of anons would be aware of the media manipulation they've grown up around, but I also acknowledge how naive that hope may be on my part. Carry on the good fight, anon.

>>85517523

im convinced that kuvira is essentially the western version of satsuki from kill la kill

>>85517318
>There is no reason to be discussing politics on /co/
Political cartoons are some of the oldest forms of /co/ media

>>85517518
>>85517493
Surveys are already the weakest form of data.

Ask anyone who writes these things for a living, you can tailor the questions to get the results you want. Sometimes even subconciously.

And yes, if they're going to present these as solid, standing representations, they are under obligation to make their ratios as close to the general population as possible.

>>85517349
Red is the colour of socialism. 'Murricans are just a bit retarded , so they fuck up things like party colour and what "liberal" means.

>>85517524
I still don't know if what he did was bad. Korra fights him over doing it but does it anyway, and then the spirits barely appear outside a few episodes.

Then Korra opens another one at the end of season 4, so fuck balance I guess

>>85516763
i find it ironicly funny that a good chunk of people who make these sorts of stories are usually self proclaimed progressive but their stories are basically stories of conservation. im not quite sure why this is

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>>85517544
Of course.

>>85517466
>>Like that time they made a character literally hitler camps?

We never actually see the camps or their actual consequences. They're just mentioned so we can say, "Oh wow, she;'s really evil."

>>Like when Korra was made disabled?

There were disabled kids in the Last Airbender. There are disabled kids in lots of cartoons.

>>Like when someone blew their own face off?
>>Like boat suicide?

Offscreen/alluded violence is easier to get away with.

But do you think anyone is going to actually discuss or explore the impact of suicide or getting your head blown off?

It's like trying to make a PG Holocaust movie.

>>85517581
Because they're using, generally, the heroic narrative.

And conservative values are heroic ones. Honor, bravery, duty, justice, freedom.

/co/mblr is real. Shit.

>>85517570
This is literally a reddit-tier comment.

>>85517524
Yeah, he slid through like three different core motivations. Weak, weak writing.

>>85517581
Strange, isn't it? Maybe it's because they build on stories of the past, which usually have conservative/reactionary themes. I mean, people have been telling stories for 100k-odd years and our pace of change only zoomed the hell up in the past couple of centuries. Makes sense that conservative inertia is still heavy.

>>85517598
True. Liberal/materialist values are all about subversion and artificial equality - the same things Amon and Zaheer fought for, funnily enough. These subconscious themes go deep.

>>85517524
i think what bothered me the most is that they brought raava back to full power so easily, along with writing off the dark avatar and vaatu all together. assume that defeating vaatu and unalaq ended the dark avatar cycle, vaatu would still come back since one cant exist without the other. if you can bring raava back that quickly, vaatus already back and raava isnt anywhere near him to prevent him from wreaking havoc

and assume the dark avatar cycle wasnt broken. whats going to happen for the next one in line? why not even consider discussing it in universe?

>>85517590

Why isn't there any art of Kuvira and Satsuki going down on each other?

>>85517626
Supposedly a lot of people in hollywood are actually conservative, but have to kiss the ring or their career could be destroyed.

>>85517595
>We never actually see
That doesn't change they could put the idea in, they were given reign to go with more mature concepts

>There were disabled kids in
Being disabled =/= showing someone becoming disabled. You are being disingenuous if you can't see that

>Offscreen/alluded violence is easier to get away with.
Implicitly implied it not, especially when you see most of it happen. there doesn't need to be gore for them to have pushed the envelope

>But do you think anyone is going to actually discuss
What an irrelevant point. The point you are wrong on is they had to pull back, yet they clearly didn't if they were allowed to push these concepts in the first place without any backlash. There isn't evidence people forced them to pull back each season in fact that is a lot of the time where the bigger things happened, they just weren't good enough to use their freedom

>>85517560

> An estimated 201.5 million U.S. citizens age 18 or over will be
eligible to vote Nov. 2, although many are not now registered. Of
these, about 55 million are registered Republicans. About 72 million
registered Democrats.
> About 42 million are registered as independents, under some other
minor party or with a "No Party" designation.'

Seems to me that, if anything, the number of republicans polled was higher than the average of the general population.

>>85517647
Oh, totally. Just look up what Ben Shapiro and, say, Gary Sinise have to say about it. The media is almost completely controlled by liberals.

>>85517636
I guess you could ask for it in a drawthread... maybe I'll draw it later, in fact.

>>85517692

That'd be cool.

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>>85517636
I can only offer crossover fanart.

>>85517738

Well at least other people had the same thought process that I had.

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>>85517759
There are some fun parallels

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>>85517779

Ooooh, some interactions between Korra and Ryuko would be fun to watch too.

>>85517692

> curse those newsroom suits and their conspiracy to not let me say whatever bigoted things I want with no consequence whatsoever! Why can't they just leave poor little old me alone and keep me safe from other people responding to my words and actions?

The media isn't the cause of your woes. Its the fact that large portions of society have moved on and left your views behind to the point of finding them actively distasteful. Perhaps not an overwhelming majority, but a big enough piece of the pie that pissing them off is financially unwise for a business.

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>>85517797
The implication here is that there are some things you shouldn't be allowed to say - also, you've got the tail wagging the dog. Masses of people have liberal views because of the media's influence, not the other way around.

>>85517796
Only if Ryuko decks her right in the face.

>>85517855

I guess Gamagori would be... Bolin?

>>85517656
>>That doesn't change they could put the idea in, they were given reign to go with more mature concepts

What? No it doesn't. That's not how TV works. There's different levels of stuff you can have in a show or movie before it becomes too much.

Mentioning something is one thing.

Implying it "offscreen" is another thing.

Actually showing a scene or two is one thing.

Actually exploring the costs and consequences of it is something else entirely.

Alluding to shit isn't pushing the envelope.

>>Being disabled =/= showing someone becoming disabled. You are being disingenuous if you can't see that

When did they show someone become disabled? Like how Korra was walking around in one scene and in a wheelchair in another because she was poisoned?

>>Implicitly implied it not, especially when you see most of it happen. there doesn't need to be gore for them to have pushed the envelope

It didn't push any envelope. It stayed within the bounds of the show's rating. It wasn't any edgier than other Y7 action shows where various villains also meet horrific ends.

>>The point you are wrong on is they had to pull back, yet they clearly didn't if they were allowed to push these concepts in the first place without any backlash

The pull back was not forced on them. It was a restriction based on the constraints of the Y7 system and being on Nickelodeon.

Again, it's like trying to say you want to do a movie detailing the rise and fall of Hitler or Jonas Sambivi or Lenin... but you can't show anybody in camps, you're only allowed to show a couple of people dying (and they have to be offscreen), nobody can curse, there can be nothing sexual beyond kissing, and nobody can be shot, and nobody can describe any of the actual bad stuff happening in any detail. You have to keep everything less than PG.

You aren't pushing the envelope. Your work is going to seem toothless because you tried to tackle serious subject matter with kid gloves.

>>85517905

And then makes out with her.

>>85517598
>>85517626
i suppose that makes sense, but itll always sit oddly with me that progressive authors, while writing the antagonist as sympathetic, very rarely flip the tables and make them the straight up protag. i think id have adored watching a series where kuvira or amon were protags and either succeeded or ended up how they did in the series but were never properly painted as villains because of what they stood for.

>>85517647
im not really sure how their views would even matter when it comes to content creation unless they were straight up trying to make propaganda through hollywood. if they were working independently it'd be one thing, but when youre working for a corporation, its better not to let your views interfere with the work youre doing, and if you feel the need to share them make sure its clear your views dont reflect that of your employers even if in the end it does.

>>85517797
personally i think the problem is people assuming that conservative views are exclusively bigoted ones. some things need to change, everyone knows and agrees with this. its a matter of what and how. you probably think people who want to go back to the days of slavery are conservative. if they were alive at the time, then sure. if theyre of a newer generation? theyre progressive. they want change. they fit in the same category of liberalism as the people who want world equality.

putting a lid on your views when working is vital to keep a well functioning machine. your personal life isnt important in a professional environment. this is how its been for the majority of businesses throughout history. agreeing with it is a conservative view.

Their ideals are utopical, but they always try to force them and do bad things in the process.

They're not "evil". With the exception of evil avatar, that is.

>>85517896

No one is preventing you from saying this stuff. Its just not wise to do so.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean nothing back can happen to you as a result of saying it. The government just isn't allowed to censor your ability to say it in the first place. And that only applies to the government itself.

Think of it like talking publicly about all of your favorite and more embarrassing porn fetishes. Its not illegal for you to do (probably, some exceptions may apply) but doing so is going to do nothing but draw you negative attention and is likely suicide for any public career.

>>85517965
even the dark avatar isnt evil, vaatu just represents chaos, and in turn so does the dark avatar. chaos and anarchy is as morally grey as law and order in the grand scheme of things.

>>85517896

It's not like decades ago, when the media was decidedly less liberal and much more conservative- there were somehow fewer laws about what you could show/do/say in media.

Far from it.

If anything, you're much freer to be controversial in this "politically correct" age then you ever could back in the 40's or 50's or even the 60's.

Trying to not offend potential customers isn't something the liberal left came up with. It's business 101. It's why big established brands have always shyed away from big risks. It's why companies have always been so obsessed with their public image. It's why when a movie or show or game comes out and is super popular, it gets a bunch of sequels and copycats.

>>85517922
>It was a restriction based on the constraints of the Y7
Not him, but they couldn't have done anything in the first place if this was such an issue not matter how you down play any part

>>85517949
>personally i think the problem is people assuming that conservative views are exclusively bigoted ones.

I agree 100% that is a problem. The source of that appears to be the two party system we have, where anything the democrats say is de facto liberal and anything the republicans say is de facto conservative, and everything is a package deal. You can't really sign up for just part of the democratic party, you have to accept everything they do or none of it, because otherwise you risk getting run roughshod by the more unified republican party, and the same goes for the other side of the aisle.

Which is a real problem for the conservatives, because while there are certainly some points on which I can agree with the theoretical republican party, the in practice republican party keeps itself in the headlines by targeting minorities, immigrants, gays and women. It has, for years, fostered itself on a culture of fear to create a sense of unity against the big scary world. The same culture of fear that made it easy for Trump to walk in a grab control of the party away from them despite the GOP establishment wanting nothing to do with him.

And then you have everything that comes out of HIS mouth being added onto the pile too.

Not everything conservative is inherently bigoted, but by god is it a low hanging fruit in this political climate. When people complain about the liberal media going after them for saying something, its not them talking about small government or fiscal responsibility, is it? Its them saying something batshit crazy or racist.

I feel so, so sorry for actually sane republicans. Because you are not what people think of when your party gets mentioned.

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>>85516458
Could someone explain to me why unification was a bad thing? Why do the NP and SP need to be separate entities, anyhow?

Here's some background fluff on why the tension exists.

>>85518002
> chaos and anarchy is as morally grey as law and order in the grand scheme of things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7XfyyKYxnU

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>>85517922
I think you are arguing against yourself at this point, you are arguing for something completely different about how much they can show. that is not the same as them being able to complete an event. There were implicit concentration camps, they do not have to show them to complete a thread with that being an issue. If that is a concept that was allowed to get in and there were no complaints then it was fine under Y7, again if it got past the first time they can do more with the concept in the same manner they did

Were these concepts brought up pretty directly so that everyone watching knew what happened? Yes, this was never like a situation where they could go oh no wait they are fine they are implicate events of dark subject mater

>When did they show someone become disabled?
I do not honestly believe that you forgot Korra being mind broken so she became wheelcahir bound. This scene was allowed, that is pushing shit and we saw no repercussions

>>85517314
In reality radical reform is usually from "completely fucked" to "maybe will survive but at what cost?"

>>85517922
I think you're kinda agreeing one them not pushing it, but disagree on why. Where you seem to say it's because of the kind of show it is, whereas the other anon seemed to imply it was Brykes inability to write.

>>85516458
How would /co/ have handled these villains, their plans and how it gets resolved in the end?

>>85518083
>Not him, but they couldn't have done anything in the first place if this was such an issue not matter how you down play any part

Yeah you can do stuff under Y7. Power Puff Girls and Samurai Jack were rated Y7. Lots of action shows are rated Y7.

But you can't get away with nearly as much as PG (Adventure Time, Regular Show, Justice League) or Y14 (Family Guy, Simpsons, Futurama, etc).

Also, the network your on matters. Cartoon Network will generally let their Y7 shows get away with more than Nickelodeon will.

The entire point being that it's possible to hobble yourself out of the gate when you want to take on material more suited for a PG or Y14 rating when you're only restricted to Y7. This leads to high expectations that end up falling short.

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Would you support Kuvira even if she uses seduction tactics to persuade you to join her movement?

>>85518276

Can I put a baby in her?

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>>85518276
What kind of question is that?

It's good writing to have you be sympathetic to the villain. It's bad writing to make their ideals go unchallenged by your protagonist.

>>85518111
I don't think they need to be seperate, but they were and the SP obviously didn't want to be unified.

>>85518260
Yes, but they already did that stuff. No one has said to you it is fine that they can have a gassing the earth benders scene, just that if you are allowed to bring camps up once and get away with it they can do so again like they did thus not just have to drop it fucking the story over.

>>85518111
>Could someone explain to me why unification was a bad thing? Why do the NP and SP need to be separate entities, anyhow?

Because Unalaq had to use force to do it.

>>85518276

Dat bush

>>85518305
>>85518322
But why was the South Pole against it?

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>>85518303

Korra was edgy (not hbo edgy, but edgy) but it wasn't mature. War crimes, injury death and suicide are edgy. Understanding moral complexities of politics is mature.

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>>85518242
Amon wouldn't have been a bender, and Korra would have had a hand in "equalising" RC before defeating him. He would become more extreme over time.

Unalaq wouldn't be LUL evil, he would be more like another anon said, anti-materialist etc. He also wouldn't be controlling the spirits, and instead be a villain through the civil war and possibly directly opposed to Varricks industrial views.

Zaheer would be about the same.

Not sure about Kuvira, to me she was pretty weak even in concept.

>>85518347
The north pole was basically only interested in looting the south.

>>85518384
it came so so close to the latter, i think zaheer was the only step into the latter it managed in the end

>>85518347
They had their own culture and government type, they had lived seperately for over a hundred years until Unalaq comes knocking with his army forcing them to submit. There was no clear benefit for the south either.

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>>85518389

>>85517570
>liberal
In US politics liberal means you want a liberal reading of the Constitution while a conservative would believe in a conservative reading of the constitution.

It gets weird as that doesn't always line up with what socially liberal or conservative, and then compounded with the fact that the social issues are all the media cares to run its ugly face about.

>>85518416
It came close but it collapsed under its immaturity. It must be a black-and-white tale to not make soccer moms uncomfortable with moral ambiguity.

>>85517108
Fuck, that's like every swing state, what's the source on this?

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>>85518421

>>85518303

This.

A weird example is from a generally kind of lame anime called Rozen Maiden. The whole idea is some old artificer dude was trying to make the perfect daughteru, some ideal he called Alice, and experimented making doll-people as surrogate children. Each one of which he considered imperfect for some reason, or otherwise not what he wanted, before he eventually buggers offs.

The dolls become convinced that each of them has some aspect of themselves that is a piece of father's vision of Alice, and by cannibalizing the other dolls and purging themselves of their imperfections the last one standing will be everything father wanted.

The 'evil' doll of the first season is a tremendous bitch for the whole thing, but in the end you finally get her backstory: she is the only doll that is physically imperfect as opposed to just emotionally or failing to meet the ideal for ineffable reasons. She was the first, and was never actually completed. Father never even gave her a power source at first. She woke herself up as a legless torso on a shelf, crawled down, and eventually learned to hold herself up without a midsection to hold her top and bottom halves together out of SHEER WILLPOWER.

Half the powers she uses in the show are things she was never supposed to have, just new abilities she manifest out of goddamn rage and determination. Because she WANTS to win far more than any of the other dolls, to prove to father that she was never just useless junk. That she deserved to be completed.

Its a pretty simple character motivation, but one that instantly cast her in a whole new light and rocketed her to best girl in the series. This was a girl who deserved to win.

>>85516458
>Anyone notice that all the bad guys in Korra seemed to be totally right until halfway through the season they suddenly turned all FOR TEH EVULKZ?

The result of Bryke trying to write morally ambiguous villains and failing badly at it.

Kuvira would have been a lot better without the concentration camps and ethnic cleansing shit. She could have still attacked Zaofu and Republic City, with the latter being a war crime of naked aggression, but she wouldn't have been so forcedly evil.

>>85518390
this, but with kuvira i would have removed the concentration camps. that was her biggest downfall, i feel. it would have put su in an even worse light than it already did when she broke the treaty, and made her actions more noble and feel like she really was focusing on bettering and unifying the earth kingdom.

i think having her stop at the siege of zao fu would have also been important, since its pretty clear that the earth kingdom had agreed to giving up the land for republic city, a nation neutral city, to exist. her deciding to "take the land back" so soon after bringing the entire kingdom under her rule automatically puts her in bad standing with the rest of the world leaders, which is not what a smart ruler would want so early in the game. they literally went straight up hitler with her, and that was a mistake.

>>85518303
This is also a key problem with Korra, every single one of her problems is solved with muh punch bending. She just fights until she ends up in the place she wants be it the punching works or someone saved her to let her go punch more

>>85518347
>But why was the South Pole against it?

Because they liked their current rulers, leadership, and way of life and they saw no benefit to handing over everything to the North.

>>85518508

But the Fire Nation had concentration camps in Avatar and engaged in ethnic cleansing, and they still seemed not totally evil.

>>85518517
I can agree with that, but how would you make her go too far then? What would make her worthy of being a villain?

Also to add to my previous post,i would have given Zaheer more screentime in book 4, that whole Korra Zaheer scene was hype, but dissapointing.

>>85517282
The clintons don't have to rig shit, Trump's torpedoing his own campaign

>>85518524

You could argue that approach ruined her life, though. She was crippled, traumatized, and emotionally exhausted (not necessarily all at once) by e end of the show, and I always too kind way it was her true lack of compassion and spiritual soundness that had her fucking up through the show. Korra was never really a good avatar, and that's sort of what made her interesting. She was selfish, impulsive, biased, and violent.

>>85518579
honestly i think they had enough to go on when she usurped prince wu. odds are the rest of the world leaders would want her to step down at which point she could convince the earth kingdom that the other nations are plotting against them, and THEN try to seige republic city. it seemed like kuvira was heading towards the ozai route one way or another, i just think she should have bided some time before going for it.

>>85518614
>She was crippled, traumatized, and emotionally exhausted (not necessarily all at once) by e end of the show
Only by the end of season 3, at which point they knew they were getting another season so it wasn't like they were ever at risk at leaving her like that. She was set to bounce back and did so, by punching and other people doing shit for her

At the end of 4 she is yukking it up at a party being very happy. She had friends, power, status and good health. She was a national if not world hero, it all ended up amazing for her and she didn't even have pressure on her to rebuild everything like Aang did

>made her interesting
It wasn't cause they never really explored it, they eluded to it and she would be told shit would have to happen but she never really did it. In fact the show bent over backwards to say actually her way of doing stuff is fine, after she literally destroyed all previous avatars Tenzin says next season eh new ways of thinking.

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>>85518471

>>85518719

Found some good lemon stuff for Kuvira.

>>85518288
Sure but she'll deny you're the father in public

>>85518295
A reasonable one.

>>85518583
it might not have been the clintons specifically, but there was definitely some rigging done by the dnc during the primaries. im still pretty baffled, tbqh, and id expect more rigging down the line as a result.

at the rate trumps going i dont think hes going to stand a chance when the general elections roll around. all he needs to do is tone things down the tiniest amount and the elected republican officials across the country will stop flip flopping so god damn hard and stick to endorsing him

>>85516763
>I mean, what is more American then a republican movement overthrowing a monarch and securing national independence?
>Actually there is one thing - meddling in other nations affairs and trying to install puppet regimes against populist movements. So yeah, it makes sense after all.
The URN and FN fucking with the Earth Revolution was so textbook US Foreign policy I cant help but feel it was on purpose.

Then they fucked it all.

>>85516458
They outright said it in the last season. All of the villains had noble causes, but they became extremists.

>>85517524
Seriously Korra is o weird. It's like they were doing this Moore/Miller style riff on the entire concept and world view they set up in ATLA, but still had everyone act like it was the silver Age.

KORRA TRIED TO ASSASSINATE THE UNARMED FUCKING HEAD OF STATE and everyone brushes it off.

>>85518875
>but there was definitely some rigging done by the dnc during the primaries

States run the primaries. Not the DNC.

And if they rigged it, why would they let Sanders win so many states in the first place?

There's a difference between people in the DNC not being particularly fond of the non-democrat who's running as a democrat taking pot shots at their preferred candidate and outright vote rigging.

I'm willing to bet Republicans did more actively in an attempt to stop Trump than any Democrat did in an attempt to stop Bernie.

>>85518956
Being an extremist doesn't prove their ideas wrong though, yet the show seems to take it that way as the concepts brought up is just assumed wrong

>>85519026
But they never suggested thier ideas were wrong, only thier methods.

>>85518982
>Seriously Korra is o weird. It's like they were doing this Moore/Miller style riff on the entire concept and world view they set up in ATLA, but still had everyone act like it was the silver Age.

This! This is what I've been saying the whole time.

When you strap in for Korra, you think you're getting ready for some heavy complex political real shit and it just ends up being simplistic black and white

Whereas with the original Avatar, everyone went in conditioned to expect some light hearted kiddy shit, so even the slightest darker elements hit with more punch.

>>85519056
It did though, the issues were dropped after and no one especially Korra ever looked back and went hey maybe they had a good point

>>85518956
This is also a nice lie of democracy. You can believe anything you feel is right, unless you actually try to challenge status quo. That would be extremism.

>>85519002
You obviously don't follow political news then. There was a shit ton of rigging/bullshit in the DNC after Ohio.

>>85517108
>Literal moron laughing stock of the world vs an actual criminal

>>85519132
well hey, if enough of the population feels the same way in a "true" democracy...

>>85519166
hey, at least the actual criminals voting records match those of the populations interests of the time. with that in mind, the most radical thing she'll probably attempt is the standard war for resources on some easy pickings middle eastern country, since we historically love doing that. everything else will likely just be following the most popular polling opinions.

>>85519155

I do follow political news and there was no actual rigging. Leaked emails complaining about Sanders, but nothing that says anything was actually rigged or how.

But I've been hearing lots of accusations of rigging.

>>85519259
im just crying wolf based on the exit polling. maybe it was the states that did it, i dont know how the voting process works like the back of my hand, but something was definitely afoot during those primaries.

>>85519259
You obviously don't then if you think the emails were the only thing. Major poll sites closing, a couple flips on electronic votes, nulling of votes in CA if Independent and would vote for Bernie. I'm an Independent and am choosing who to vote for in November, but I followed the primaries all the way through from sources on Left and Right. It was a shit show all the way.

I'm also not the guy you were originally responding too, you just don't know what you're talking about so I decided to reply.

>>85516458

>Suddenly

Are you mildly retarded or did you really not see from the get go that they were cult leaders, anarchists and tyrants? How thick do you have to be to think that Amon genuinely cared about non-benders or that Kuvira was anything other than an iron-fisted tyrant?

>>85516763
What's worse is by all indication the 3 years between the Earth Queen's death and Season 4, the ex-Earth Kingdom was consistently portrayed to have been an anarchic hellhole.

The Fire Nation couldn't do shit even if they wanted to without being called out for reigniting expansionist dreams.

I don't ever recall the Water tribes giving a serious shit about the Earth Kingdom.

The Air Nomads are chaotic good, but still like 7-10 people.

And Raiku's busy being focusing on Republic City, above much else.

Kuvira had the thankless task for forging the Earth Empire from the ashes of a an already pretty fucking corrupt monarchy, and after S4E3 she was rewritten as the a generic villain.

Also Suyin is the devil, and her for some reason being the writers pet is the only reason she's not called out for it.

>>85519377
i still cant fucking believe she got away with breaking a peace treaty like that

that was actually disgusting

>>85519315
>Major poll sites closing, a couple flips on electronic votes, nulling of votes in CA if Independent and would vote for Bernie.

None of those are run by the DNC. Unless you think the DNC is responsible for state voting hiccups that happen every year and don't appear to have played a factor in either candidate's favor.

Again, I've heard the allegations, but not seen anything but allegations thus far.

That was Toph's entire point. They all had a point and eventually went overboard on it.

>>85519172
This isn't a democracy, though. It's an oligarchy.

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>>85518956
Amon's reveal, true motivations, and pretty much everything else towards the end of the season were terrible.
>write a dedicated, competent antagonist who runs thematically and physically opposed to the protagonist, whose stated motivations are internally logical and believable, if not universally empathetic
>reveal daddy mistreated him, so he ran off, ???, decided to take away everyone's bending because daddy was a meanie, and fully revealed himself in the most obvious manner possible
>also, he was the S E C R E T brother of a side character, because fuck it

>>85519492
thats not what i said friendo, why do you think there were quotation marks around true

>>85519377
>Also Suyin is the devil, and her for some reason being the writers pet is the only reason she's not called out for it.
I hate her so much, I have no idea why they thought people would sympathise with her

What they needed to show was she had actually grown as a person, her free lifestyle had actually been a lot of hard work by her. Instead they made it seem like she got everything through scummy means, her life had just been carefree fun and had learnt no hard lessons because of her actions

>>85519468
DNC is organized by state run DNC branches.

The DNC head never did it, but the DNC children sites did. Stop being retarded, they never wanted Bernie to begin with.

>>85519056
This was a weird point, because while I can perhaps see how Kuvira or Unalaq could be less extreme, I can't quite picture how ideas of Amon or Zaheer taken just far enough.

How fucked is the EK? Kuvira got power very easily, a new dictator can easily rise. Is Korra just going to keep fighting everyone?

Who actually thinks a bunch of dirt farming peasants will even care about democracy? They'll just want security and whoever keeps bandits at bay best

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>>85518792
I just want stuff about Kuvira dominating her foes.

Point me in that direction.

>>85519611
the earth kingdom wasnt strictly peasant farmers

>>85519611
By all means they should have infighting between provinces for years since Wu disbanded all leadership in the country in book 4s finale. And they going to have time to establish factions aswell since Korra just fucked off to the spirit world for some reason so the earth kingdom is fucked for a long time to come. And honestly if Korra tries to fight her way through it when she gets back i will probably only get worse, and we all know she can't into diplomacy.

>>85519632
A huge amount will be that and small towns, just judging by the size of it and what we saw over both series

>>85519668
Makes me wonder if the comics will deal with it or just ignore it and make everything fine

The spirits from S2/spirit vines from early S3 were more akin to demons from Dragon Age than something good or even neutral. They kill, casually possess/mutate humans, don't really seem to give a fuck, and abandon their Republic City when shit hits the fan.

And all of that is fine. I like antagonistic if not casually evil characters. But then the writers go ahead and frame these spirits, and arguably pro-Spirit Avatars like Wan and Korra, as good/heroic/or "the embodiment of balance".

Same with Kuvira, if we judge her by her actions she seems sympathetic, but Episode 4 onwards frames her as a cartoon villain.

Would have been more interesting if she was the protagonist of S4, and at the end did establish an autocratic Empire that was morally neutral/good. Would have been more interesting than what we got.

>>85519736
>A huge amount will be that and small towns, just judging by the size of it and what we saw over both series

thats literally how the majority of countries are, though. you have a handful of huge, boisterous cities, you have the ones that are total shitholes no one wants to go near, and the rest is small farming, ranching, and fishing towns.

>>85519868
>thats literally how the majority of countries are, though
Most don't cover such a huge area with stuff spaced out the same way. The only comparable one is China and I've played enough Dynasty Warrior to know how long that took to unify

>>85516458
Yes that's the point. The incredibly set up to be agreeable people are flawed, that was the theme.

How you missed it amazes me to no end.
Like people get mad when they are told that among was just using the anti-bender thing for personal revenge. All because the faggots agreed with him.

>>85519613
source please

>>85517570
Well back in the day the liberal was largely anti-socialist. It being its own side then.

In fact conservatives was more accepting of communism than liberals, who were big on the nationalism front, how the times have changed huh?

The whole faux-1920s setting with superhuman abilities being common and tackling faux 1920s social issues and incorporating present day conflicts when possible concept isn't impossible to pull off.

2003 FMA and it's reboot were mostly successful at achieving what LoK seemed to try to do for 4 seasons.
It's just that LoK was really shit about executing its premise

Book 2 and 3 don't follow that formula though. Book 2 they became evil after 2 episodes of pretending they're good. I don't care that Korra was too stupid to realize it, it was obvious to the audience. Book 3 had them bad from the start. It gave them proper motivation, but they never tried the whole "These guys aren't the bad guys!" kinda thing.

>>85517548
And they still weren't funny back then

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>>85516458
>DARK AVATAR

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>>85519963
Sorry man, dunno.

man way are avatar threads always shit

>>85520056
It isn't impossible, but LoK also had to deal with faux ancient asian stuff as well. The transitioned between the two never felt quite right, most obviously with the ideas behind bending

>>85519736
If they're gonna deal with it it's going to be a while since they decided to pander more to shippers before doing anything serious with the story.

>>85519942
There's a difference between "flawed" and "fucking up your own reasonable plans to fit the hero/villian narrative in the most illogical ways possible".

An antagonist can be flawed, but also act internally logical. There's also the point to be made that the writers are mediocre, created agreeable antagonists, then inserted non-thematically relevant flaws at the last second so that they could write themselves out of the hole they themselves dug.

An antagonist's end should be tied to their own established flaws that have been present throughout the narrative, which didn't happen with Amon. The end was, instead, a total asspull that seemed to not feature the established character that was Amon.

>>85518344
Of course she would have a bush. No way to shave it in that time period

>>85519519
Amon was mostly the victim of his story getting cut short. He was supposed to be the villain of seasons 1 and 2, with season 1 ending without the "really a waterbender" thing and getting bailed out by spirits when he's losing.

Then they got told "Oh by the way, you guys probably won't get a second season" and they had to wrap up his story in 1 season at the last minute.

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>>85520828
>tell creators they won't get renewed
>creators rush a hackjob to tie up loose ends in ultimately unsatisfying way
>renew them for 3 more seasons

I'm more concerned why almost every villain has daddy issues or is family related:

>Azula and Ozai were Zuko's family members. Azula herself had family issues involving her brother, dad, and mom.
>Amon had family issues
>the second season villains were Korra's family
>Kuvira had a crappy adopted mom and even worse biological parents

>>85521476
Bryke are hacks, and family issues are the easiest to write for an antagonist, because they don't have to make sense outside of:
>muh family

Not that there can't be great antagonists with family issues, but if push comes to shove, blaming bloodlines is an easy way to handwave personal responsibility and add "emotional depth".

>>85521476

Its a writers crutch for explaining away their evil behavior. Its like making the villain insane in order to not have to come up with a real motivation for them.

>>85521681
>in order to not have to come up with a real motivation for them
Correction. In order to skip on talking about how they are wrong.

It's bulverism. Substituting actual refutation with explaining why your opponent might hold those silly silly opinions.

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>>85521662
>Bryke are hacks

>>85522120
>half hearted love triangles without conclusion
>antagonist cop-outs with zero thematic connection
>last minute narrative and character left turns as "twists"
That's not even addressing the faulty plotting, hamfisted dialogue, and pointless references and nods to their much better received past works.

The reason that previous work was much better received can be found in the writing credits, where TLA had over a dozen other writers, while Korra only had three more.

While the story and concept of TLA might be Bryke's, what truly made the series great had very little to do with them, as evidenced by the fact that Korra, as a series, was such a complete mess in their trusted hands.

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>>85522120
Everybody look smug at the retard.

>>85521681

Were Kuvira's abandonment issues implied earlier? To me it looked like they suddenly appeared out of nowhere in the finale.

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I want Korra to be my human dog. When I'd take her for walkies the other dogs in the neighborhood would sniff and mount her tight little rear, but I'd shoo them away before it gets too far. Sometimes I'd forget to take her out and she would peepee on the floor and I would have to spank her. She would only get the finest of generic store brand dog food and when I fill her bowl I'd call "Korra, noonoos! Noonoos!" and she would come running, eager to stuff her face with the noonoos (her special word for food). At night she would jump up on my bed and wiggle her butt no matter how many times I push her off. What happens after that is between me and my human dog Korra!

She wouldn't be naked ALL the time but most of the time.

>>85522831

fill her bowl up with shit and cum you fucking disgusting creature

>>85522431
>>85522767
>>85522831
its fucks like you that make avatar threads shot go fuck yourself

>>85519595
Republic City moved to a democratically elected leader due to Amon's revolution.

The Red Lotus' attack on Korra inadvertently led to the creation of the Airbender Peace Corps.

>>85522120
Congratulations on being the only person on /co/ with that opinion

>>85522881
you are a fucking fool the people that liked korra don't come to hate threads because you idiots have the same argument over and over and even if there is a avatar thread you idiots come in and shit up the thread with this shit it has been years get over it you stupid fag

>>85522956
calm down Bryke

>>85522874
Says the guy who posted a reaction image to a legitimate response. And if you're not that guy, why not include his reaction image with no response? :^) Fuck off Scrapper.

>>85521662
>>85522120

>>85522999
if you like avatar you must be Bryke? you are one stupid bitch

>>85522956
AtLA > Korra

9.2 > 8.6

>>85523004
go fuck yourself

>>85523034
it's OK Bryke, it's OK

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>>85523055
epic post

>>85520425
I'm not arguing for a good story here anon, I am just pointing out that it is the most obvious theme they seem to be going with.

I do suspect they have a meaning or thought behind the whole "Everyone who says good things can turn out to be an asshole" thing.

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>>85523053
Get rekt nerd. AtLA was just better, but Korra wasn't terrible.

>Kuvira will never casually choke you 10 feet off the ground for displeasing her

JDIMSA LADS

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>>85522831
What in God's dick is this?

>>85517896
Well, there are things you shouldn't say. Just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean that you have freedom from consequences.

Would the Avatar survive a gunshot to the heart?

>>85523329
Most likely not.

>>85523329
>9mm
would the avatar survive?

>>85523099
A theme on its own is worthless, it's all about execution and presentation of said theme. If the author of a work shoddily conveys an interesting theme, the work isn't better for inclusion of the theme, and, in some cases, the theme might not be apparent at all due to awful execution.

Authorial intention doesn't matter if the author fails at properly delivering their intention.

>>85521047
That isn't Nick's fault in particular.

Originally ATLA was only greenlit for 13 episodes, and they decided to make "The Blue Spirit" the 13th episode. They didn't know if it was going to get renewed, but they didn't care.

They made an episode that had no indication of it ever being the last episode or trying to tie anything up.


They fucked that up with Korra. Who cares if you don't know if you'll get renewed? Make a good, longer story. Either the show gets cancelled on a really good cliffhanger or it gets renewed and you get to finish your story.

>>85524225
If anything that really good cliffhanger would want fans demanding more. A huge fuss would probably be made basically begging Nick for more episodes.

If Korra had been left on a note of despair in the finale of Season 1 with her bending gone, but a drop of hope is made when she is to make a journey to the spirit world to try and get her bending back, that could have been one of the greatest mindfucks of a cliffhanger ever.

It would also open a huge doorway into Season 2 to give it new meaning and concepts with her uncle.

>>85524225
>>85524309
I really agree with this. The worst case is a great ending that doesn't wrap up properly due to corporate meddling, with the option of continuing the narrative through alternative mediums, i.e.: the comics, or the dedicated fanbase annoying the piss out of Nick. Very few people would've accused them of shit writing if they themselves stated they wanted to continue over 2 seasons to fully flesh out the narrative, everyone would be mad at Viacom for cutting the cord.

Instead Bryke panicked in the face of, I'm not sure what, rushed an ending, and then were given 3 more seasons to, again, I'm not sure what.

>>85524523
Well we know why they got three more seasons, rating were sky high Season 1. It was crazy, so many people from all over were hyped as fuck, even 4chan was hyped before airing. I don't know why Bryke panicked however, I think they were only getting one season from what I remember in the interviews predating airing, but they should have guessed that the sequel to Avatar would be huge.

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>>85516458
Only Kuvira was "totally right". Amon was full of shit from day 1 and anyone who watched the previous series could tell you that. Unalaq made his heel turn like 3 episodes in so I don't count that, and Zaheer was a moronic anarchist that wanted to kidnap, poison and murder a 4-year old little girl.

>>85524596
Even if they throught they were getting one season, rushing to tie the story up is moronic. They were only getting 13 or so episodes of the original avatar at first, and they had the good sense to plan to leave it completely open ended in case they got renewed.

>>85525039
I don't know, if the four year old girl is the key to making his dreams failures, then he is radical enough to kill the four year old girl to succeed. I give you Unalaq, I give you even part Zaheer for being an anarchist.

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>>85524596
>even 4chan was hyped before airing
Those threads were great, I remember being incredibly excited when this first image dropped, all the speculation about a female avatar having 1920s city adventures. I had a couple of friends who loved TLA, and we also discussed all the crazy possibilities as the promo material was trickled out.

The worst thing that happened to Korra, as a series, was actually being released.

>>85524596
>I don't know why Bryke panicked however
Nick fucked around with ATLA. It's plausible they thought the same thing would happen for LoK.

>>85525114
I'm not arguing that. I think good writing > finishing. I'm just saying why.

>>85525128
>then he is radical enough to kill the four year old girl to succeed
So he's a fucking monster, yes. But he never really "was right", killing all leaders was retarded from the get go.

Which is too bad, Zaheer was the closest the series has had to a really good villain, and Kuvira was close second.

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>>85525134
Really makes you think. :^)

>>85525203
Retarded yes, though villains are never usually meant to appear to be right. That's why they are often villains. Villains can be right or justified, not saying that. It's just not the usual way things go.

>>85518358

>>85516458
Kuvira was never right, she was a dictator who offered nothing and took everything. Or did you forget the part where she sent in goons to harass people who refused her?

>>85521047
they didn't know about other seasons in ATLA either

>>85517626
The salt is real.

>>85525292
>Or did you forget the part where she sent in goons to harass people who refused her?
That never actually happened.

We all thought those bandits were going to end up being hired by Kuvira because it seemed super obvious, but they were never mentioned again after that episode.

>>85518389
>>85519279
why is she so damn sexy

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>>85525741
Because she's the best there ever was.

>>85525039
>Amon was full of shit from day 1 and anyone who watched the previous series could tell you that
Of course Amon was full of shit, but he turned out to be full of shit for reasons that are completely unbelievable and have weak ties to his actions throughout the season.

He could've been full of shit in a way that felt satisfying for both the protagonist's rise and his own fall. Instead, it turned out he was full of shit because daddy hit him 20 years ago and he still didn't get over it.

>>85518276
http://imgur.com/a/4KQTy

Would you watch a series about the Lieutenant piecing together henchmen from the broke Red Lotus, and individuals from Kuviras army to create a way to defeat/kill Korra? Lieutenant initially abandons his and Amons causes but later gains determination as things progress throughout Korras time in books 1-4 from TLoK.

>>85525292
>did you forget the part where she sent in goons to harass people who refused her
that's not canon

I always felt like I was rooting for the villains more. particularly Kuvira. Glad to know I'm not just crazy.

>>85525937
Please tell me Kuvorra is a popular ship

>>85516458
>Anyone notice that all the bad guys in Korra seemed to be totally right until halfway through the season they suddenly turned all FOR TEH EVULKZ?

No that's just fanon shit. Amon was fucking kidnapping people and forcibly removing their bending

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Would this have prevented S4?

>>85528379
Pretty much

>>85520828
>He was supposed to be the villain of seasons 1 and 2
It's always funny to see someone spout such bullshit. Korra was always intended as a miniseries, they knew they had 12 episodes from the start. Only once Season 1 had premiered were they greenlit for 3 new seasons, and so they came up with those as S1 was airing. They did not have 2 seasons greenlit and then lose one, you fucking idiot.