>A character has to cross-dress to infiltrate an organization/achieve

Didn't you get the memo, anon? Anybody who doesn't conform to their gender stereotypes 1:1 is a trans now.

Just hop on the bandwagon and harass those cis scum with us.

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>a character does want to have sex with every member of the opposite sex they meet
>character is now considered to be in the closet

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>character isn't a human
>gjinka artists draw him as a PoC

>>85147195
But Darwin is black.

>fan artist doesn't draw characters fat enough
>bullied to suicide by fans

>>85147195
That's one pretzel of a bait
5/5 have a (you)

>>85146947

Is this about Pidge? People are still butthurt that he's canon trans?

>>85147324

Not OP, but if she was canon trans she wouldn't have said "I can't man up because I'm a girl!" Not used to be... Am.

>critics hate a movie I haven't really watched but characters I love are in it so it can't be bad, right?
>try to shut down critics with a petition
Am I doing it right?

>>85147367

They deliberately avoid referring to Pidge by any pronouns after the reveal. They're clearly keeping the door open for him to be trans.

>>85147370
Is that how that worked? Thanks, anon, I'd been wondering how she did that.

>>85147441
>Am I doing it right?
BUTTHURT DC FAG

>>85147494
Or maybe they were trying to avoid spoiling the reveal.

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>>85147494
Are...are you retarded? What the hell is wrong with you?

>>85147610
>>85147638

Sounds to me liked you waifued a trans by accident and now you're spiraling, creating headcanons to get out of it.

>>85147638
What in the god damned fuck IS that?

>>85147638
A deep thirst and desperation for representation.

Sheik

>>85147610
>Or maybe they were trying to avoid spoiling the reveal.

>Didn't use pronouns AFTER the reveal
>AFTER
>"They were trying not to spoil the reveal"

Are you stupid or just in denial?

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>>85146947
>Expected a Mulan thread
>Another SJW thread
I don't know why I thought that.

>>85147722
It happens every time people mention Pidge. I have yet to see anyone resist being baited by the "Pidge is trans" meme. It has a 100% success rate.

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>the staff of Voltron is sick of tumblr trying to make Pidge into trans
>fill the second season with Pidge being full girl-mode, being interested in cute things and dresses and getting horny and talking about her wet pussy all the time and how she's a bad girl.

>>85147699
Oh I misread your post, but it still seems stupid to have an explicit scene where she both confirms her gender and denies masculinity. Unless you think she's a guy who thinks he's a chick.

>>85147759

Voltron is made by the same people as Legend of Last Minute Lesbians.

They'll go full trans with Pidge next season because they make shows FOR the tumblr crowd.

>>85147665
Someone at an updated universitty was doing a conference about free speech or something. The jigglypuff is a fat activist who invaded it and started shitting on everyone.

>>85147781
It isn't WRITTEN by them.

Are there any superheros that switch genders between hero persona and secret identity?

>>85147781
>Voltron is made by the same people as Legend of Last Minute Lesbians.
Minus the two people who actually made Last Minute Lesbians though.
It's more likely that they make Sheith that they make Pidge into trans.

>>85147665
A feminist

that drawing fucking sucked and if you're dumb enough to kill yourself if a guy you never met before insults you on the internet then you deserve to die
>inb4 salty xD

>>85147781
>>85147807
>>85147818
You know.
For the people who made the good parts of Korra, I don't understand why the action is so damn boring.

>>85147036
>Except when he's black

>>85147858
Because nobody know what they are doing.

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>>85147809
Shezow

>>85147882
You mean the staff or the characters?
Because I get that the pilots don't know how to use the lions, but that doesn't excuse the action to be so damn boring.

>>85147809
Cybersix
Disguises herself as a man as her secret identity.

>>85147902
The characters.
thats why they'd rather be lions than be voltron.

>>85147965
But as Voltron the action still sucks.

>>85147992
Because they're bad at it because it's so hard.
They don't merge into a central cockpit, they're all still sitting inside the head of their lion controlling what their specific limb is doing.

>>85147784
She's like a living strawman

>they're constantly fighting or training and don't have much time to engage in unimportant shit
>those are the only clothes she has
>hair takes time to grow out
>"Pidge" is the name everyone else is most familiar and comfortable with

Nope. Totally trans.

>>85147233
The voice actor is black, the character is an animal of chinese origin that knows how to speak chinese.

>>85148234
>Knows how to speak Chinese
But he doesn't.

>Well written independent woman that isn't interested in love.
>People demand her to be lesbian.

>>85148294
>people
I wouldn't call real life people.

>>85146947
Isn't that, like, offending to actual transexuals?

>>85148080
It's not that. The action sucks because the camera shots are boring, the movement of characters is boring, the actions of the characters are presented like a mediocre direct to video DC movie. Meanwhile Korra had interesting scenes all over the place. Voltron doesn't know how to do action with bulky lion robots so they just fly and shoot pew pew lasers.

>>85148459
Yeah, kinda, but since when have SJWs actually cared about accurate representation or understanding the people they're "fighting for"?

>>85147494
That's blatantly false.

Pidge literally says "I'm a girl".

>>85147858
Because the characters have generic weapons instead of unique powers, and none of them know kung fu.

>>85147809
I've got an OC who does that but the comic is a wip

Dr Fate with Nabu and Linda?

>>85148546
Right, because they're all still learning and thus have no finesse.
Like how Hunk has no idea how to get his lion to do anything besides ram into things.

>>85146947
No, you have to milk this for everything.
>Character cross dresses to infiltrate an organization
>other characters know, essentially pressuring them to stop lying to everyone
>people try to champion that character as trans, even though that experience would be horrifying and traumatic for a trans person trying to pass and be accepted

I don't get it. Pidge somehow being transsexual would have been damaging for depictions of trans people. Why would they want that?

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>>85147494
>him

>>85148981
because tese are not transexuals shouting for it.
It's tumblerinas.

>>85148783
>Right, because they're all still learning and thus have no finesse.
How autistic can you be to not understand that has nothing to do with it, famicom?

>>85147036
>overcompensating heterosexual behavior to try and convince everyone and themselves that they're totally straight
>not gay
If they didn't draw so much attention to the "beard", nobody might notice that it's fake.

>>85147781
that was Bryke realizing they'd fucked up and pissed away all the good will ATLA got them so they'd try to obsfucate how incompetent they are with 'groundbreaking shattering of heteronorms' or however you want to dress it up.

it worked.

>>85149121
The fight scenes are bad on purpose to reflect that they are bad at fighting.
It's pretty straightforward

>>85149206
>fake
>character made in the 60s as part of a team of people that conform to social norms
>constant womanizer across damn near 50 years
yeah totally faking it bro

You people DO realize that transgenderism isn't going away, right?

There was a time when depictions of interracial marriage were forbidden. There was a time when depictions of homosexuality were forbidden. And there was a time when depictions of transgenderism were forbidden.

Those times are behind us. There will be MORE trans characters in cartoons, moving forward. Not less. It isn't going away, /co/.

>two male characters interact
>they must be gay for each other

>>85149303

I think that's what bothers the anons in this thread more than anything else.

They're on the wrong side of history and they know it.

>>85149323
>Two character of the same sex hate each other
>They literally fight every time they see each other
>They must be gay and in love!

>>85149377
>le wrong side of history meme

No you dingus. It's because Pidge isn't trans. She doesn't act as a trans would. Crossdressing as a disguise is not the same as actually being transgender. You virtue signalling assholes don't even know the first thing about what you're talking about. But God damn can you talk about it all fucking day.

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>>85149409
Nemesis ships are my guilty pleasure.

>>85149303
>You people DO realize that transgenderism isn't going away, right?
I don't disagree, I'm just sick on people projecting on characters and thinking their headcanons are canons for whatever stupid reason.
Bring actual trans characters, that's fine. Don't try to force characters to be what they aren't. This is what gave us Gay Iceman.

>>85149303
I don't think there's any issue with that, but why apply it to characters who aren't and explicitly state so?

If you say because they're dressed like the opposite gender then you're implying clothing is universally gendered across cultures.

>>85149440
>She doesn't act as a trans would.

A cisgendered heterosexual white male telling ME how a trans should act.

Hilarious.

>>85149377
>>85149303
This is bait but I'll take it anyway. Transpeople make up maybe 1% of the USA's population according to census data and you REALLY have to squint at it because up until recently no one's given a fuck about them, and honestly aside from certain surgeons, biochemists, and mental health professionals there's no reason the average person should care about trans people.

Their disorder is a mental illness and it needs to be treated. Aside from understanding that there's nothing that really needs to be discussed. Gender Disphoria is a horrible thing and the soon technology can cure it the better.

The issue isn't putting transpeople in cartoons (and goodluck finding those without some mental gymnastics. Transvestites have been a staple of humor for years that doesn't mean they want gender reassignment surgery)

The issue is that Transpeople have become fashionable for slacktavists and so you have people who just want to transition into living as their desired gender and go unnoticed who now have a rather vocal population of cyberbullies who want to tell them how to live their lives and create idols of representation to worship and point to.

No one is really interested in making transpeople go away. We're sick of slacktivists who won't shut up about their latest digital crusade and who treat the objects of their little cultural jihad like pets.

They're children's cartoons made for entertainment, stop trying to insert identity politics into them.

>>85149545
>le Cisgendered heterosexual white male is the only person who would ever disagree with me meme

Goddamn. You little Tumblr Princesses can't even imagine that you're wrong, or that the people you speak for (or claim to speak for) don't particularly like you. Or that you get basic details wrong all the time. At least you're breaking gender barriers though. White knighting is no longer a male dominated field. Thanks Tumblr Princesses!

>>85149303
>You people DO realize that transgenderism isn't going away, right?
that doesn't mean you have to force into everything
just because sriracha is popular doesn't mean that covering everything with it makes food taste better

>>85146947
>The fandom
>Not an outsider group looking for something to coop for their identity politices crusade

Pick one

>>85149557
>They're children's cartoons made for entertainment, stop trying to include black protagonists and women outside of the kitchen.

This is you. This is what you sound like when you talk.

>>85149545
I thought /pol/ was meming about you lunatics but holy shit people really do say this stuff.

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>>85146947
>It's an 'OP is making up scenarios in which he is """""oppressed"""""' episode

>>85149641
Not the same Anon, but get over it. Create your own cartoon/comic/whatever instead and everyone's happy.

>>85149607
>>85149645
It was pretty obvious bait, and you fell for it.

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>>85146947

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fxls1XrcJc

never forget

>>85149607
>>85149645
>falling for bait that obvious
What the fuck is wrong with /co/?

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>>85147809
There're a couple of Wonder Woman villains that do

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>>85149663
>Only oppressed people are allowed to disagree with something

>>85149545
>cisgendered heterosexual white male

I'm all 4 of those things and it's fuckin AWESOME.

>>85149748
>>85149785
But people on Tumblr really do talk like that. And they like to "raid" us on occasion. Yes, their raids are terrible, but what did you expect form Tumblr? Quality? Outside of gay fanart?

>>85149641
>Look at my strawman! He's so dumb and racist! My strawman is sooo wrong and dumb. Just like you!

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>>85149801
Why Wonder Woman villains suck so much?

Only one or two are worth a shit.

>>85147927
Badly. Like "can't even attempt a male voice" bad.

>>85148234
Mushu?

>>85149608
It does, though.

>>85147809
Mighty Man (from Savage Dragon) is a woman in her civilian identity and a man while heroing. Its a literal physical transformation.

>>85149440
>>le wrong side of history meme

>Thinking that being historically wrong is a made up fantasy

Whatever mental gymnastics justify your bigotry, I guess.

>>85148622

This. Just this. Point in case, latest Star trek. They made sulu gay over George's protests.

>>85149901
Like most forgettable supervillains, they're just generic evil people with a gimmick added in.
Memorable villains tend to have an interesting personality or relationship with the hero and their powers and motif are just one part of their identity.

>>85149279
Well....now he was.
But don't forget he wasnt' thristy for Jean in that one panel, so confirmed.

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>>85147809
http://pdsh.wikia.com/wiki/Madame_Fatal

>>85149766
so....what happened to this thing?

>>85150179
Damn, now I have that song in my head.

Well, I’m a mighty, mighty man, I’m young and I’m in my prime
Yes I’m a mighty, mighty man, I’m young and I’m in my prime
Well, I don’t pick my jobs I’m ready for any ol’ kind

>>85150216
George got on board.

>>85147809
One of Buffy's predecessors in the Tales of the Slayers comic has a male identity while slaying.

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>>85150195
>He thinks History has a meaning
>A meaning that conveniently spouse his own tastes and thoughts.
You have some serious growing up to do.

>>85150270
It was canned for being terrible.

>>85150195
Given values will have changed in even a decade's time, being "historically wrong" is at most an ephemeral thing.

>>85149377

And you honestly believe you know how history will play out? What are you, a prophet? Sure your flavor of the month nonsense may have hold now, but give it time. I bet even money that given a hundred years or two the general populace will become aggravated enough to shut down your vocal minority and end this crazy train that's slowly destroying society before it ends us all.

>>85149303

Despite the fact a huge chunk of fandom IS just pants-shittingly whiny about any LGBTBBBQ characters showing up in anything, that's not the issue here.

The issue is fans deciding their headcanon of a character is the Right interpretation of that character despite there being no evidence indicating it--or, in fact, all evidence being AGAINST it.

Nobody should care if there's trans characters. I welcome trans characters. But if someone arbitrarily decides a character is trans and then calls down the furies on any fanartist or devotee who doesn't think that character is trans...fuck that person.

>>85150376
Unless it's the creator, right?
I get to make that call for my character.

>>85149801
why do we never see any of them? also, is Hypnota a bearded lady?

>>85149303
There was also a time where men and women had strict gender roles. Then society decided to move forward and make gender not define you. Now we're going backwards again.

>>85150442

Well, sure, if you created the character, your interpretation is the right one.

But by the same token you shouldn't be butthurt about people who write AU fic or draw tranny versions of your femme fatale or whatever. Only take issue with it when those fans start claiming their interpretation of the character is the true, canonical one and anyone who doesn't conform deserves wrath.

>>85147665
Trigglypuff, the Tumblr pokemon.

When Trigglypuff feels threatened it will inflate it's ego three times it's size to defend itself against the patriarchy.

>>85150524
At worst we're going laterally....well actually at worst we're spinning out of control.
People are free to arbitrarily choose their gender or make one up while not conforming to the norms at all making changing it seem completely fucking pointless.

>>85147781
>a show is made for a target audience

YOU DON'T SAY?!?!

>>85150322

>human rights are a meme

There're those "mental gymnastics" I was talking about.

Stay ignorant. The world will just move on without you. By the looks of it, you've already been left behind.

>>85150600
By making gender an identity instead of a biological trait, people are re-enforcing inequal treatment of the genders, and re-enforcing gender roles in society.

>>85150620
Where the fuck did you get "human rights are a meme" from that post?

>>85150354

>This is what Trump supporters actually believe

>>85150534
Of course. They just questioned my authority on my own fictional creation.
That's like saying I am wrong about what I think and they know better about me.
The author is not dead until he literally is.
You can see what you will in my art.
But you can't question my word on what I mean by things.

>>85150681

The current writer is the authority, not the previous writer (even if they're the creator).

Stan Lee created Iceman as heterosexual. Stan Lee is not the current writer.

Bendis says Iceman is homosexual. Bendis is the current writer.

Bendis is right, Lee is wrong. Simple as that.

>>85150720

So if the next writer says that he's straight he's the authority and all ya'll can bite your tongues off and die if you don't like it?

>>85150720
Actually Bendis isn't the current writer anymore.
But I guess the current does say he's gay.

>>85150765

Pretty much.

But that would never happen. Once you go progressive, you can never go back because then that would be Regressive.

Bobby's gay forever. Alan Scott is gay forever. Half the cast of Jem is gay forever. Matt Trakker is black forever. And so on. It is literally a one way street.

>>85147324
>character explicitly states she identifies as female
>people crawl out of the wood work to call them trans
Isn't that the fucking opposite of what the trans community actually wants? I was under the impression that wanted people to accept them for the gender they identify as

>>85150638

Forgive me, but can someone please explain to me how the fuck gender is an identity and not a biological fact? Last time i checked if you had a cock, your a dude, and if you had a cunt, then your a girl. That is biological fact, period. How the hell can anyone argue with that?

>>85150794
>Isn't that the fucking opposite of what the trans community actually wants?

The trans community wants a representative character and they'll get one no matter what.

Sort of like how Hillary is going to be the next President despite all the crimes she committed, because the feminist community wants a female President NO MATTER WHAT.

>>85150720
Okay, comics are a different thing with their strange rights allocation.
I was going by creator=only writer.
Sure, Bendis is technically in the right as creator of the story.
He's still a dumbass who can't into good decisions.
Like at all. My opinion.
His decision. But a bad call.

>>85150789

Only so long as we allow the liberal media to artificially manipulate and control societal norms. If we refuse to give in to their intimidation we will quickly realize how impotent they really are.

>>85150805
>can someone please explain to me how the fuck gender is an identity and not a biological fact?

Sex and gender are two different things. They are not synonyms.

They teach you this in school, but if you choose to be ignorant about it then I don't think anyone can educate you no matter how they explain it.

>>85150620
>>human rights are a meme
How did you get that from that post?
Also, do you think human rights are an inherent part of reality or something? They literally are a cultural meme.

>>85150805
Some decades ago they decided to re-define gender so it only refers to social forms

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>this thread

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>character is a tomboy
>tumblr considers them trans

>>85150923
Why do they always make Bubbles fat?

>>85150864

Please, try. I promise to give your words full consideration, and that i will not respond by throwing around meaningless insults, but if i do disagree will respond with a calm organized refutation, with which you may then disagree so that we can have a reasonable debate and further the dialogue.

>>85150824
No, see, I think the problem here is that this isn't the trans community clamoring to claim Pidge as trans. At least, not true trans individuals, ones that have legitimately experienced dysphoria.

What this is is fetishization. A bunch of fujo shitters who probably claim to be some made up gender who can't help themselves but to fetishize transness

>>85149303
Actually it will go away once we manage to perfect neuronal reprogramming

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>Tumblr: white people with nothing better to do get angry and triggered over minorities and LGBT not being in things.
>Is racist and sexist but won't admit it because they think they're helping.

>4chan: white people with nothing better to do get angry and triggered over minorities and LGBT being in things.
>Is racist and sexist and think it's cool to be that way because they're edgelords.

>>85150864
Literally the only reason for splitting them is maintaining restructive gender roles. It accomplishes nothing but encouraging double standards.

>>85150864
>They teach you this in school
You have to over the age of 18 to post here. No one who is an adult went to school where they taught this

>>85149557
>i know this is bait but i will respond with EVEN MORE BAIT
well, at least I do hope it's bait and not just a really retarded anon

>>85150961
nah, we are racist and sexist because it's the right thing

>>85150989
anon was right about everything in his post

>>85150949
They love seeing fat characters in active roles because it helps them convince themselves that their own weight is normal and won't kill them in middle age.

>>85150949
>Why do they always make Bubbles fat?

A lot of fat girls have pigtails.

Pigtails and fat go together for some reason.

>>85150993

Thanks for proving my point.

>>85150993
It's the watered down version of sexism and racism. Back in the day those words actually meant something ;)

>>85150961
I'm all for trans representation in shit.
What I don't agree with is a bunch of fuckers obsessed with identity politics with retarded double standards claiming X character is trans or gay or whatever the fuck based on nothing.
What OP was talking about is the perfect example of it. So much for wanting to abolish gender roles if your first reaction to seeing a character defy their gender role is to immediately assume they're trans.

>>85150864
>They teach you this in school
They literally do not. I live in ultralib Canada and didn't even hear about the idea until I was 20.

>>85150216
No, they made Sulu gay AND THEN Takei found out and complained about it. He thought the AOS movies were connected to TOS and it meant Sulu had been in the closet at some point, implying there's still prejudice against homosexuals in the perfect Star Trek future.

They didn't make "made sulu gay over George's protests" and even if they had, Takei's protests were wrong anyway.

They

>>85150681

>They just questioned my authority on my own fictional creation.

Do you consider AU fanfiction and fanart to be "questioning your authority"? Serious question, because I know some creators absolutely hate it and other creators (like, say, Naomi Novik) revel in it.

>>85150864
Not when I was in school. It's nice to hear they are now, apparently.

>>85151095
>What I don't agree with is a bunch of fuckers obsessed with identity politics with retarded double standards claiming X character is trans or gay or whatever the fuck based on nothing.

I agree 100% but you can't deny that 4chan is the same as Tumblr when it comes to getting triggered over shit that doesn't really matter.

>>85151084

4chan didn't become genuinely racist until recently. When people were raiding haboo hotel and standing in swastika formation with afros no one believed that shit. Now you have stormfront rejects thinking they're in good company because some trolls decided to humor them.

Tumblr types piss me off but the opposition is by no means better.

>>85150824
I'd say that has more to do with the GOP backing a candidate whose strategy basically involves taking attention off his last fuckup by fucking up even more. If they wanted to win they should've found someone who wasn't in it for a brand building exercise.

>>85151163
wow I should not make posts just after waking up

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>>85149448
>woman writer
>shipping
>gay shipping
>gay shipping on ships

>>85151166
No, that's their good right and a declaration of interest in my work.
They can write gay slash fic till their cunts run dry, so long as they don't demand me to declare it gospel.
(Speaking as a hypothetical. I don't write squat. Except that one smut fic. Although that had original characters.)

>>85151166
not that guy but as a creator I've never cared one way or the other until a ruckus from that nonsense reaches me.

Like that shit with the SU fandom going fucking rabid because someone draw the characters thinner than normal that would piss me off as a creator. That shit with the homestuck fandom drawing the characters pretty much as complete redesigns would also annoy me to no end but hussie actively courted that idiocy so whatever.

People are gonna have their fun, let them, even if it annoys you put on a smile and be as polite as possible. I draw the line at people being dicks tho, and dictating my own creation to me. Most reasonable people wouldn't hold it against me.

>>85150789
>Once you go progressive, you can never go back because then that would be Regressive.
>It is literally a one way street.

Is that why Bee and Fiona keep getting fatter and fatter and fatter? And they'll never lose weight ever again?

Because getting fat is progressive and losing weight is regressive?

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>>85147036

>>85151163

As far as I know, Takei was consulted and had his concerns dismissed. He absolutely wanted a gay character in the new Trek and still vocally wants gay representation in Trek. It's just that retconning Sulu to be gay implies that Sulu was closeted, which would mean either homosexuality is a choice or that the utopian Federation is still homophobic, which would contradict Gene's ideal Federation (it's unclear whether or not Gene was pro-LGBT, Takei seems to think so but acknowledges a gay Japanese man absolutely wouldn't fly on television in the 60s).

Pegg's answer, that the Nero actually changed the universe in ALL directions, not just from the point where the Narada destroyed the Kelvin, and thus a gay Sulu was born is kind of a half-assed way of putting in an LGBT character, but I do respect his earnest desire to put a gay man front-and-center in a major film franchise (although the studio pussied out and cut Sulu's kiss with his husband) and understand his justification as a writer (he didn't want to introduce a new gay character since then they'd be the "token gay").

I actually got into a long argument with my wife about it. We're both bi; I felt good about seeing male/male romance being depicted as no big deal and something a main character could have in the future, whereas she felt it was half-assed, implied everything Takei said it implied, and was so barely-there it was a token sop to the progressives anyway.

>>85151205
>4chan didn't become genuinely racist until recently. When people were raiding haboo hotel and standing in swastika formation with afros no one believed that shit. Now you have stormfront rejects thinking they're in good company because some trolls decided to humor them.

Thank you. Christ, every time some 19-year-old from /pol/ who unironically uses the terms "degenerate" or "white genocide" tells me to go back to tumblr when they don't even know how old this site is or that there used to be an /l/ board I die a little bit inside.

>>85150789
Wally West.

>>85150864
to this day most people treat sex and gender as the same thing. You only really see nonsense about identity politics when you hit college campuses and universities (and funnily enough the more affluent the clientele the crazier that shit seems to get.) It's not really a concern for the common man but you have a ton of people who haven't really advanced developmentally because they've never been out from under their parents protection and society does its best to keep people safe and happy. (more money you have the less hardship you face.) So instead of dealing with 'I can pay the rent and eat rice all month or I can buy food that actually tastes like something and become homeless' you get 'everything I need is basically handed to me but I feel unfulfilled so I'll champion this cause online.'

There've always been crazy idiots, problem is the internet creates both an echochamber and a magnifiying glass so the crazy idiots can congregate, their idiocy will have a light shined on it so more people can notice it so they draw in more idiots. Twitter has to be the single greatest example of why information technology has impacts on society at large that we could never imagine. Nothing quite like watching a twitter tantrum spark up over the most inane bullshit because some bored moron got angry at someone's shirt.

TL;DR
normal people don't care about gender identiy and identity politics and that probably won't change in the near future.

>>85151046
I wonder why FAT people have PIG tails.

HMMMMMMmmmmm...

>>85151483
>It's just that retconning Sulu to be gay
EXCEPT IT WASN'T A RETCON.

>>85151530
>Wally West.

>In the comics the black and white Wallys coexist
>Wally is black in the TV series
>Wally will be black in the movies

Black Wally is winning.

>>85151379
Wanting to lose weight is regressive because it implies being overweight is a bad thing and people should feel bad about that.

>>85146947
They would technically be transvestites, not transexuals.

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>>85150961
To be honest, I still prefer 4chan because they don't say what you can or can't draw/writte.

>>85151640
good job realising the point of the thread.

keep it up, buddy

>gender stereotypes are WRONG
>any character who breaks the stereotype is trans

>>85148459
>Isn't that, like, offending to actual transexuals?
Or the fact that there are people who crossdress but are still hetero. Just because a man might decide to wear women's clothing doesn't mean he suddenly finds other men attractive.

>>85151683
>doesn't mean he suddenly finds other men attractive.
Nobody said anything about sexual orientation and I'm confused as to why you're bringing it up.

>>85151660
Well they do, but the chance of follow through or even consistency is low.

>>85151683

We live in a world where "pansexual" is considered a real orientation.

Where you can identify as heterosexual one day and then completely change your mind and be homosexual the next day and then be bisexual the day after that and so on. And you'll never know when or if you might change your mind.

The very existence of pansexuality means that there is no such thing as solid hetero, homo or bi sexuality.

It means that any day, at any moment, without warning, you could completely change your sexual identity. And you can't prove that it wouldn't happen to you because you can't predict the future.

>>85151596

Well...it kinda is. Unless you buy Pegg's explanation that Nero changed the entire Kelvin Universe from beginning to end, then TOS Sulu has been retconned as either closeted or gay by choice. Nothing indicated Sulu was gay in TOS (in fact in that shitty Space Hippie episode he seemed to be flirting with one of the hippie chicks). In the first film Nero's actions didn't seem to change the overall characterizations of any of the crew all that much (aside from Kirk being more of a rebellious asshole as a kid). The fact the Federation grew more militant in Into Darkness as a direct result of Nero's actions further indicates Nero changed things in one direction and not the other.

Sorry for going on like this, I just really like Trek.

>>85151663
>Respond to the OP
>Get called out for not reading the thread

>>85151798
Pansexuality is where gender is not a factor in you finding someone attractive.

You're thinking of fluid sexuality.

>>85151798

So essentially, there is no sexuality other than pansexuality?

Has anyone told Facebook?

>xmen podcast calls jubilee asexual
>point out this is literally impossible because she wanted Tim drakes cock hard enough that they had another cross over about it and that she masturbated after seeing wolverines cock
>point out it is more likely that as a 1st generation Chinese American she is more interested in finding her one true love than fucking a ton of dudes

>tranny who runs the site mad as fuck and writes a fucking essay about how mad as fuck it is about me

>>85151846
>Pansexuality is where gender is not a factor in you finding someone attractive.

>That chick who thinks she's a dude is hot. Nudes where?

It's that?

>>85149613
this, vocal minority fucktards.

>>85151882
>>85151882
>tranny who runs the site mad as fuck and writes a fucking essay about how mad as fuck it is about me
You made a thread just to complain about it, too.

>>85151846
>Pansexuality is where gender is not a factor in you finding someone attractive.

That's bisexuality, anon.

>>85151205
This is what happens when you pretend to be retarded. Actual retards start popping up.

>>85151834
No, it hasn't. The Narada incursion changed history and in that changed history events occurred that caused young developing Sulu to be gay instead of straight. It had no effect on TOS Sulu. It's not that difficult of a concept.

I mean fuck, it changed history enough to have Chekov's parents fuck at a different time and produce a light brown haired kid instead of a brown haired kid.

>>85151935
As there are gender identities outside of male or female, bisexuality does not cover everybody. Pan does.

>>85151965
>events occurred that caused young developing Sulu to be gay instead of straight.

But anon, homosexuality is biological.

Do you think sending gay kids to Jesus Camp can change them into heterosexuals?

>>85151994
There really isn't

>>85151994
>As there are gender identities outside of male or female
So Pansexuals are attracted to retards?

>>85151995
What part of "alternate events" is so hard to understand? Something could have effected him biologically.

>>85150278
The Season 5 villain was a man when he was normal and a woman when she was a villain. Some Jekyll and Hyde shit.

>>85152034
There has been for centuries.

By the way, Earth isn't flat and Pluto isn't a planet.

>>85151994
>As there are gender identities outside of male or female
Such as?

>>85152081
Sonic

>>85152077
There really hasn't

>>85149279
>character made in the 60s
>Because it was totally okay to be gay or have gay characters in mainstream media in the 60s

Chill out, I don't know the character than you're talking about, though I guess it's Iceman. But that trope is a thing.

You're just mad that some writer used it for cheap drama. That doesn't mean that it's not an established thing to do.

>>85152081
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer

>>85151965

The only way that works is if homosexuality is a choice or a state caused by external circumstances during development (and I'm not talking prison gay-out-of-a-need-for-some-kind-of-physical-pleasure, I'm talking living-gay-life-gay). I don't think Pegg wants you to draw either of those conclusions. I do agree with his "there's an LGBT version of all of us out there somewhere" take on the multiverse, but until Beyond the Narada incursion didn't seem to radically affect anyone's personality or orientation.

Being bi myself and raised in a Catholic environment that told me my urges were nothing but sinful choices, I'm uneasy endorsing something "causing" young Sulu to be gay. If the Narada incursion happened before he was born, I guess maybe that'd work, though.

>>85152077
People have also believed in ghosts for centuries.

Having gender be societal roles is awful and dumb.

>>85152115
>but until Beyond the Narada incursion didn't seem to radically affect anyone's personality or orientation.
How the fuck did you ignore Kirk during the first two AOS movies? He's the main character.

>>85152113
See:
>>85150638
>>85150980

>>85149377
>all history from this point on will follow the same path and all my opinions will be validated because I am that smart

>>85149557
this is the best post ive read in a long time. very accurate.

im trans and it sucks and i hate it

>>85152152
His father wasnt there when he grew up, that's a massive difference.

>>85152115
Aside from actual real life realistic possible influences on Sulu that could have happened (yes, external influences effect a person's development), you're forgetting this is Star Trek. Any number of weird alien future things could have happened to Sulu. Maybe a visiting alien accidentally sneezed GaySnot on him.
>>85152238
Yes that's my point thanks

Ignore the haters.

The fact is that there isn't a battle for "trans rights" or "trans representation". Not anymore. That battle is over. We won. Trans is a thing, we have our own bathrooms, our own television and movie characters, and we're getting our own laws everyday.

They lost. They can't deal with it. They'll lash out like futile children, but that's all. We won. They didn't.

>>85152113
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
>not men or women
So eunuchs

>>85152238
>Gay because daddy issues
Good lord

>>85152270
Here's your (you)

>>85149206
>overcompensating heterosexual behavior to try and convince everyone and themselves that they're totally straight

There is no such thing. There is merely getting so jaded after fucking dozens and dozens of women that you switch to men (or dogs, or whatever can break the monotony).

>>85152270
Congrats on setting gender equality back 50 years.

>>85152291
Try to follow the conversation before attempting to join it.

>>85152270
>we have our own bathrooms
I thought you wanted to use the ladies' room

>>85152312
>>85152322
>taking the bait
c'mon /co/

>>85152291
Talking about Kirk.

>>85149279
>>85152102
Also,
Womanizing and acting 'thirsty' all the time is not equivalent to actually being sexually active on camera/panel.

For example, Brock from Venture Brothers was shown to actually consummate the act, enjoy it, and have partners enjoy it.
That's completely different than how I interpreted the original post in the chain: talking up being sexual, hitting on women openly, etc, which isn't the same thing.
If you meant that Bobby had sexual partners that he actually had some real connection with on panel, then yes, my interpretation does not fit the character at all and I am wrong in Bobby's case.

But I never intended to talk solely about Iceman.

>>85147638
>Are...are you retarded?

He's either actually no shit mentally ill or fetishizes mentally ill people, what did you expect?

>>85152043
Or hermaphrodites, I guess.

It would also be a more relevant distinction in a setting with really out there non-human people. Like, your bi person is attracted to male and female humans and aliens that look sufficiently like what they find attractive in male or female humans, and your pan person likes all of those and also the aliens that look like fucked up squid or big big monolithic crystals or whatever.

>>85150216
No, sulu wasn't gay. He was just spending time with his neice and brother/brother in law. At no point in time do they indicate he is a faggot in the film

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>>85152406
Eh, that tree's close enough

>>85152375
>fetishizes mentally ill people, what did you expect?

You jack off to anime women who look and act like children.

You're guilty of fetishizing mental illness, too.

>>85149409
>>85149448
>>85151261
When two people acknowledge one another as their nemesis or rival, they are essentially affirming the other as their equal and complement. It's not difficult to interpret a connection like that fueling mutual desire.

>>85152472

>two people are arguing
>obviously, they have sexual tension

How's that Psychology 101 class down at the adult learning annex going? You know everything about everything now?

>>85151660
We do, but we have no actual power to stop you.
Tumblr on the other hand has the creative teams eat out of their hands.

>>85149303
>You people DO realize that transgenderism isn't going away, right?

No. You are who doesn't realize it will absolutely go away.

The only thing we possibly can choose is whether these people in the future would be considered mentally ill and treated with compassion appropriate for their condition; or stoned to deat and thrown off the roofs as abominations against Allah.

However hard you wish to deny reality, going the way of the ancient Rome (and now even beyond) will produce the same results that the ancient Rome reaped - depopulation, societal breakdown, takeover by a radical religious movement, or/and conquest by barbarians.

>>85150620
Then why do people keep telling me the gun banners are on the right side of history? Of anything people who advocate for gun control laws are actively trying to deny my basic human rights

>>85152448
I'd fuck that tree.

>>85152270
>They lost. They can't deal with it. They'll lash out like futile children, but that's all. We won. They didn't.

Just because you won that doesn't mean the world will be a better place for it.

>>85152542

Please see >>85152270

Your inability to deal with it is no one's problem but you're own.

>>85152542
>The only thing we possibly can choose is whether these people in the future would be considered mentally ill and treated with compassion appropriate for their condition

When it comes to gender dysphoria, I think the current consensus is the best and most compassionate way to treat it is to let the affected individual live as their preferred gender. Not necessarily surgery or even hormones, but just letting them live as that gender.

Hopefully in the future we'll invent an X-Y gun or a Ranma hot spring and render all this moot.

>>85151995
funnily enough, a tumblerina whose blog I frequent once in a while for a laff because I knew her before the went mad is now actually against the notion that sexual preference is genetic and is, rather, a conscious choice.
Solely because of the fact that "X was born this way" in her mind carries bad connotations of some kind of deformity or something.

>>85150864
No one teaches this shit in school. Literally ever. I fucking majored in molecular biology and we didn't spend a fucking second on Bullshit retarded gender identity theory

>>85152657

Homosexuality is genetic and cannot be changed or manipulated.

Heterosexuality is fluid and can be changed by trying new things.

Or, at least, that's what the current logic dictates.

>>85152516
Nice job blowing out of proportion two sentences offering a possible explanation for intimacy between rivals, jackass. I definitely, most certainly claimed that every pair of arguing shitheads is secretly lusting for eachothers' dicks.

>>85152472
>When two people acknowledge one another as their nemesis or rival, they are essentially affirming the other as their equal and complement.

Or maybe they just want each other to fucking die or at least disappear but neither yet managed to concoct a good enough plan or gather resolve. You must be either really fucking sheltered or really good at rationalizing your parents' squabbles as manifestations of love.

Mulan was a good movie.

>>85152788
>Mulan was a good movie

Mushu and the cricket ruined it.

Why did the comedy relief sidekick need his own comedy relief sidekick?

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>>85152712
The current logic is pants-on-head retarded, then.
>We built it with this rare part that only works this way and cannot be changed
>and then there's the common model that can be exchanged for whatever you prefer at any time

Do these fuckers even into Kinsey-scale?
Shit's so easy to understand, no need for the myriad of labels they all want to abolish but at the same time praise and celebrate.

there is either a bonafide tumblr in this thread or a very convincing baitlord

>>85152854
>there is either a bonafide tumblr in this thread or a very convincing baitlord

Or option 3: A lot of stupid people who keep taking terrible, obvious bait.

>>85152808
Fuck U they were great.
>>85152788
Yes. Because it wasn't up front "LOOK BABY MEN, GIRLS CAN DO THIS, TOO" but rather "I enter the army as a man in an effort to protect my father's life".
Can you imagine Mulan constantly berating her three sidekicks and the lieutenant about how they're truly incompetent, not womyn?

>>85152657

Ideally it wouldn't matter whether any of this shit was genetic or not. Some people are gay by choice, some people are not, Kinsey scale, etc. Unfortunately, retards think that if even one person ever chose to go gay, then every gay person is choosing to be gay, and must be doing so because they're deviant or had a messed up childhood.

"Born this way" is 1) usually but not always true and 2) gives LGBTBBBQ people social legitimacy.

>>85151517
I've been on this site since 2007, we've always hated niggers

>>85152762
There's a difference between two people being enemies and two people being rivals. Did you want all of the individuals that ever competed with you to die? Do you really think that a couple in a failing marriage that want to murder the shit out of each other could be called "rivals"?

>>85147036
If your talking about Tim, let's be fair. Hasnt he slept with precisely noone since his introduction?

>>85152888
>>85152788

Mulan fails the Bechdel Test, though.

The only reason she does what she does is because of her father. A male is ultimately her motivation and the center of her moral compass. Also, she finds love with a man and is saved by him.

It pretends to be progressive, but it can't even pass a simple test.

>>85152632
>Your inability to deal with it is no one's problem but you're own.

Tell that to the next gunman who decides that the only way he might possibly get access to virgins is shooting up your favorite gathering of deviants in the name of Allah.

>>85152936
>>85152936
>tumblrites pretend it's progressive*
FTFY

>>85152931
>If your talking about Tim, let's be fair. Hasnt he slept with precisely noone since his introduction?

He's kissed Jubilee and Spoiler.

So Tim Drake has shown romantic/sexual attraction toward 2 females and 0 males.

But clearly, he must be gay.

>>85151013
so bait it is

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>>85152936

>>85152936
The Bechdel test is stupid shit anyway.
Also, Mulan was a social misfit before the emperor's lackey came. She wasn't into stereotypical "girly" things, she was a wholesome person.
Also, Shang only spares her life because SHE caused the avalanche that took out the Hun army. Later they fight back-to-back against the remaining guys to protect the emperor.

>>85152936
Don't they talk about nondude shit with the debutant lady?

>>85153001

The first time Mulan talks to another woman in the film, it's about marriage to men.

The anon isn't wrong. Mulan does, indeed, fail the Bechdel test.

>>85147784
I need video

>>85151926
Yea cause it's funny

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>>85152936
>Bechdel Test

Oh, fuck off. That shit is downright useless.

Suddenly a series has two women talking about a guy one "too many" times, regardless of context, and it is automatically. Not because of any actual judgment of the quality of writing, direction or acting - but because it doesn't further feminism hard enough.

Everything is an agenda to these people, be it for or against them. Are feminists and tumblrites even capable of comprehending fiction and entertainment? Or are they like those squid aliens in Galaxy Quest?

>>85153037
Only if you don't consider the subtext. Think about Grandma. She is clearly where her granddaughter's badass strain came from. She's just learned to fit in to a (this time truly) sexist society. She wants Mulan to do the same for appearances only.
Women were able to pull the strings in societies that worked against them since forever.

>>85152919
>Did you want all of the individuals that ever competed with you to die?

No, but neither I was loathing those individuals fiercely enough to let everyone know about it.

In fact I've never ever seen people nominally on the same team hostile enough to each other to trade open insults in public outside of school and disfunctional families. In workplace insults and backstabbing tend to be veiled. In other contexts people just stop associating with each other.

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>>85151994
>gender outside make and female

So does pan mean you like hermaphrodites or jerk off to dick girls exclusively?

>>85152173
Whig history is a hell of a drug.

>>85152102
whether or not it's established is irrelevant, the original post was obviously referring to Jean Grey brainwashing young!Iceman into being her gay boi accesory.

The fact is that it was cheap drama, you want an example of a gay guy playing at being straight from marvel comics try Striker (christ was that his name...? It's been awhile.) From Avengers Academy who literally plays at womanizing to try and convince himself that he's straight and eventually comes out during the story.

Unless a character is stated to be gay chances are they're probably straight ESPECIALLY if they're from a previous decade where being gay wasn't really acceptable for a mainstream physical character.

Revisionism bugs me.

>>85146947
>Tomboys used to exist in RL
>now all of them are just grouped as dykes by the all controlling LGBT

Fuck faggots and their Brave New world

>>85152907

I've been on this site since 2004, and yes, some users were 100% for real racist, others just liked saying taboo shit. Slowly but surely the irony has drained away and the diehards have moved in. Stormfront used to be a joke, not something we actively shared a userbase with.

>>85153145
Pan according to tumblr means basically anything goes with anything.

Bi according to tumblr doesn't have to mean one's attracted to male+female, but say, to female and female-to-male trans.

>>85152936
>Don't have women talk about men
Like that's any way a good indicator. Can have 2 women in a room getting raped and that passes.

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>>85152936
>>85153001
>>85152975
>>85153023
>>85153031
>>85153037
>>85153112
>>85153131

This is the Bechdel Test, anons. This is how it works.

If two women talk about men in their first conversation on screen, it fails. There's no room for context in the Bechdel Test. It's a Pass/Fail system.

>>85151994
No there isn't, in real life there are only two. Only in fantasy can there exist more.
>>85152113
Third gender is basically an incorrectly developed man or woman, that totally constitutes another gender.

>>85152347
Bobby was fucking infatuated with Lorna. Why would a faggot want to fuck havok's gf so bad?

>>85153221

>"Oh my gosh, Amy!"
>"What, Susan?"
>"Did you see the size of that girl's butt!?"

Technically, that exchange passes the Bechdel Test and is therefor progressive and pro-feminist.

>>85149303
It's about people trying to halt the planet's orbit in order to cater to a very small, insignificant sector of the world population. Same with vitiligo, which is in vogue on tumblr's: libtards are all about catering to that >1% of people, and forcing everybody to cater to them, for their brownie points.

I just love it how the people who demand everybody pander to that 1% later turn around and gather at Wall Street to protest the other 1%. It's so fun how shamelessly two-faced liberals are; Clinton would represent them well.

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>>85153231
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Neither in-universe context nor the storyline matters. Only DIVERSITY™ matters.

>>85152979
Why can't he be bi? I don't get why bisexual characters are supposed to be hard to accept. They're the best of both worlds.

>>85152639
Actually some medications that are used to treat torretes and other nurilogical disorders also treat gender dysphoria

>Female character constantly works out, practices and overall tries to better herself
>Is characterized as the mom of the group
>Fans portray her as gay and constantly trying to get in the pants of other female characters
>This is not regressive at all and doesn't portray any negative stereotypes that gays have dealt with for decades

>>85153290

He was in denial of his own sexuality and overcompensating in an attempt to convince himself he wasn't gay.

>>85153206
That is so fucking dumb I can't even begin to figure out how it would make sense.

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>It's a gender politics thread
I used to want to defend /co/ when other boards called us /co/mblr. But in all good consciousness, I fucking can't anymore.

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>>85151994
>pansexuality

The only difference between that and bisexuality is that the former gives you a +6 bonus damage to your anti-patriarchy attacks while the latter makes you invisible to your "allies" and makes them aggro.

In other words, it's bisexuality for super-hipsters.

>>85153231
Oh I though you could pass so long as you just have a conversation period.

>>85153377
It does, but only if you create tons and tons of labels for every microscopic slide in any direction of the Kinsey scale.

>Two males are best friends
>Tumblr says they're super gay for each other
>Every single time

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>>85153330
ITT: Mommy issues

>>85152919
Yes

>>85153082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69tkCbeC5o

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>>85153393
Wait a minute they're all little kids right? So why does the girl in blue back there have boobs?

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>>85153377
>That is so fucking dumb I can't even begin to figure out how it would make sense.

We have transgender Transformers now, you know.

>Robot without any sex or gender and therefor has to identify its own gender
>chooses to identify as a different gender than it already identifies as
>wut

When everything is normal, nothing is.

>>85153481
>he doesnt know

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>>85153440
ITT: Parent issues

>>85153481
Early development? You're focusing on the wrong thing, Anon.

So polygamy is never going to get the support of LGBT fagtivists to be forced in media because it's a mostly conservative sexual pairing right?

Fucking hypocrites, hell Mormons actually were fucking oppressed, exiled, killed and finally forced to change their religious views by the government.

More than faggots ever went through.

>>85153358
Only female bi girls are. That way you can have a 3some. Bi males are gay, have aids, and can't donate blood

>>85153660

Polygamy is accepted if it is a minority grouping.

>Male or female with multiple male AND female spouses
>Female with multiple male spouses
>Female with multiple female spouses
>Male with multiple male spouses

However, the "harem" style of polygamy, male with multiple female spouses, is sexist and wrong.

>>85153660
They call it polyamery.

>>85153358
Because hetero men don't like reading about a male hero and suddenly he's trying to stick his dick in man ass.

>>85153433
And if you disagree, you're a homophobic shitlord omg stop triggering me.

>>85153481
soy milk and hormoned-filled chicken meat

>>85153358
>Why can't he be bi?
Because maybe - just maybe - he isn't...?

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>the fandom

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>>85153521

>>85153854
>Because maybe - just maybe - he isn't...?

Everyone is bi. Some express it, some don't.

But everyone is.

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>>85153917
I can tell you're actually love-starved.

>>85153917
>I'm straight
>Tee hee no you're not :^)

This is why no one likes you bi faggots.

>>85153954
>>85153988

Again, some can't express it.

Doesn't change facts.

>>85150949
Cause Thicc.

But no really, is that fat? I mean blossom looks anorexic as fuck in that art style. atleast to me.

>>85148294
>Or tranny

Because apparently even men are better at being women than women are.

>>85154024
>reject any gay advances
>hurr just in the closet

Go tell some hoodrats this, just for the benefit of them beating you to death.

>>85151846
Thought that was demisexual.

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>>85153521
ITT: Family issues

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>>85149641
>being black or female is comparable to having a mental disorder that obscures one's perception of reality

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>>85151846
is Tinkerbell pansexual?

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>>85154172

>>85149303
>You people DO realize that transgenderism isn't going away, right?

Neither is A.I.Ds. Your point?

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>>85154189

>>85154159
"Demisexual" means "I don't have sexual feelings unless I'm in love with you". Not "I don't have sex", but "don't have sexual feelings". Whether or not it actually works out like that, I don't know, I just know what the word means.

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>>85153521
ITT: Grandparent issues

>>85154179

What the fuck are you doing reading the entirety of a thread this long and this terrible?

>>85154259
C-can't we just go back to a time where your choices were straight,gay,or bisexual?

I don't know if I can keep up with all these sexualities

>>85150961
>>>Is racist and sexist but won't admit it because they think they're helping.

And that's actually worse than 4chan's brand of contrarian racism.

>>85147324
>Is this about Pidge?

Pidge is just part of the new Voltron show's problem. They decided to turn the Voltron Force into the Planeteers.

>Sven is now an Asian guy named Shiro
>The Princess is now black.

Pidge being trans or whatever the fuck is just part of the Burger King Kids Club motif they're pushing. I'm surprised Kieth isn't Hispanic and Lance isn't in a wheelchair

People are to stupid today to realize femininity and masculinity do not define gender

The dictionary has literally been changed to accommodate this blurring of ideas

>>85152081
Blarfale.

>>85154428
You really don't have to. Most people irl are straight, and a small portion are homos, and a smaller portion are bi. The rest are statistically meaningless and extremelly unlikely to matter in any aspect of your life.
>inb4 le internet super meningful controversies
pls no

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I just can't fathom anything in this thread. I don't know? How is this comics and/or cartoons?

>>85150961
I give so little of a fuck.

I don't care how faggy you think being a fencesitter is, I so don't give a shit about "racial issues".

>>85154559
It isn't in any way. Welcome to /co/'s most popular threads.

>>85153794
Don't worry, thousands of gay men will jump on that book when straight white males leave.
kek

>>85153433
This is why I stopped joking about things like Booster and Ted, or Sinestro and Hal. Yeesh.

>>85154428
>can't we just go back to a time where your choices were straight,gay,or bisexual?

I'd prefer if we went back to the choices being "normal" and "mentally ill".

>>85154559
The agendas of the parties involved in this thread are shoehorned into your comics and cartoons which is pretty relevant.

>>85154698
>I'd prefer if we went back to the choices being "normal" and "mentally ill".

And who gets to define "normal", exactly? You? A bunch of out of touch, racist and sexist old men?

>>85154825
Modern Big 2 comics are shit regardless of their political orientation.
I honestly don't think it's even a relevant issue.

>>85154889
>>85154825

If you're bothered by who other people choose to love, then you're part of the problem, not the people creating or publishing the comics.

>>85154859
I do.
You're abnormal, anon.
You're just fucked six ways from sunday.
I'm sorry you had to learn like this.

>>85154961
homosexuality isn't a choice you homophobe

This is what Rome would've been like before the fall if they had internet.

>>85154961
Too bad those people aren't happy with their lifestyles and want Western society to bend over and pander to their destructive, regressive ideals.