Just got back from it. I didn't think it was possible for

what makes it worse than BvS?

>>85109221
Is it really that fuvking bad?

>>85109221
Sorry but when you just pop in say it's bad with nothing else, no explanation as to what Ames it NAD, you're a shit poster and nothing more

>>85110052
haven't watched it yet but reviews aren't helping. Personally, I just think that this would throw a wrench toward DC Rebirth's plans seeing as how the Suicide Squad is a fucking huge part of it, there's like tons of Minis now. And they'll be stuck with those crap that no one is going to want to buy because of the lost of interest in the movie.

>>85110029
Well 100% of movies are worse than BvS because BvS is the greatest movie of all time, so it makes sense.

I like that it's going to be nearly impossible to defend Suicide Squad with anything except "paid off reviewers" because it obviously won't even try the same attempts at symbolism that BvS did

>>85110309
>>85109221

What's so bad about it?
Oh wait, you're just here to shit post.

>>85110309
BvS wasn't good because of its "deep symbolism." It was good because of the story, characters, sounds, music, and visuals, among other things.

It's out?

OP here

bad jokes, bad fighting, bad characters with either no development or generic family sob stories, most of the cast contribute fucking nothing except killing a few faceless goons out of an army of them, Deadshot and Harley Quinn were fucking terrible yet almost the entire film focuses on them

At least Batman v Superman had some cool moments like the titular fight and Wonder Woman fighting Doomsday, but SS has no good scenes to speak of except maybe Deadshot's only trickshot kill and the Flash taking out Captain Boomerang

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>>85109221
>watch suicide squad trailers
>literally DC giving up on adult oriented dark thematic story telling and following Marvel's kid friendly quip-filled pseudo comedy

DC totally at fault here, they shouldn't bend over to please the shitty marvel fans.

>>85110309
Anon, I've seen people on /co/ defend Green Lantern.

There will always be some retard that thinks these movies are great.

>>85110291
>>85110337
What's good about it? There's literally no redeeming moments in the film

What is it going to take for DC to pull the plug on this universe and start over?

>>85110453
How can they know what's good about it if it isn't out yet?

>>85110411

Wait isn't Harely supposed to be entertaining?

Is it me or should DC just give up on Live action movies? Their animated movies are much better

Now I'm curious, is Killing Joke better than this?

>>85110453

Ausfag here

Got tickets for midnight screening in 5 and a half hours. No regrets. Will report back later.

>>85110472
It's out in a bunch of countries already

I guess Americans need to wait another two days but I genuinely don't think people will want to defend it after viewing it

>>85110411
>most of the cast contribute fucking nothing except killing a few faceless goons out of an army of them, Deadshot and Harley Quinn were fucking terrible yet almost the entire film focuses on them


These were my main concerns from the trailers.

Too many villain team members made me positive most would be space filler, like almost all the kids in xmen first class.

I knew will smith was phoning it in from the trailers, had hopes harley would be better.

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The sequel should be called Suicide Watch.

>>85110484
>Killing Joke
First 30 minutes or so really, really, suck ass.
Ends up being kinda okay in the end.

>>85110484
Harley is an annoying cunt who sporadically makes "LOL I'M SO CRAZY" jokes followed by silence by the rest of the cast and eventually for no reason whatsoever becomes chums with everyone else and sort of beats the final boss while yelling about protecting her friends

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>>85110353
>BvS
>good story and characters

>>85110307
well..... ╭∩╮(-_-)╭∩╮

>>85110546
>opposing thought

>>85110353
Nobody understood any of the characters motives. That part about the movie sucked

>character does villainous thing
>everybody stares
>"Come on, we're the bad guys!"

This line occurs like 5 times in the film, no fucking joke

>>85110573
>Nobody understood any of the characters motives

I did. And that's all that matters to me. If everyone else can't turn on their brain, who cares?

>>85110573

>Batman wanted to stop Superman from being a threat
>Luthor wanted to show the world that Superman couldn't save everyone
>Superman wanted to save his mother.

If nobody understood that then no wonder Marvel's movies for idiots are getting such glowing reviews.

>>85109221
Why tell lies?

>>85110501
I genuinely think you're just shitposting.

>>85110584

I don's really see an issue with them reminding the audience they are watching villains being expected to do the right thing.

>>85110573
Are you retarded or something?

>>85110594
Not him, but you can't look at the film objectively and say that Batman's motivations weren't presented in a very shakey manner, nor that superman wasn't himself just wooden and odd.

It's a flawed movie. There's no reason to argue about it anymore. Everybody knows it.

>>85110498
There's no regrets.
No tears goodbye
I don't want you back

>>85110411
So, basically like every marvel movie?

>>85110626
I can objectively say that's a load of shit.

>>85110605
The problem is that all of those were handled nonsensically.

Batman could have easily resolved his differences with Superman by talking to him for a minute, Lex tried to show Superman's imperfections by killing lots of people himself and making a CGI monster and Superman couldn't even remember which of his dads wanted him to be Superman.

The whole thing was a mess.

>>85110626

But Batmans motives were explained explicitly in the trailer and again the first ten minutes of the movie. He saw Superman exercise his ability to level a city in minutes and saw him as a threat he needed to neutralize.

>>85110605
>Luthor wanted to show the world that Superman couldn't save everyone
False.

>Superman wanted to save his mother.

That was at the very end. What about the first 2 hours?

>>85110573
Anon, please. I hated BvS and even I could follow the motives. Hell, part of the problem was that all their motives were retarded.

>>85110605
> superman wanted to save his mom

Wut? That was his motive the entire movie?

>batman wanted to stop superman from being a threat

And MARTHA! Made him change his mind? So if the jokers mom was named Martha, would batman stop fucking with him?

> Lex wanted to show the world that superman couldn't save everyone

He had a really retarded way of showing it

>>85110594
Not everyone gets high at the movies anon

>>85110411
>titular fight
>cool moments
Opinion disregarded.

>>85110645

>Batman could have easily resolved his differences with Superman by talking to him for a minute
Which I'm certain was an option until Superman tore the roof off his car and told him to fuck off or die.

>Lex tried to show Superman's imperfections by killing lots of people himself
Which shows that Superman couldn't....?

>Superman couldn't even remember which of his dads wanted him to be Superman.
Jor-El was even mentioned in the movie so I don't know what you're trying to prove with this.

>>85110662

>False.
>If God is all powerful he can not be all good, and if he is all good he can not be all powerful
Lex was trying to prove that by literally making him fight a man who spent his entire life protecting Gotham to save his Mother, one was supposed to die.

>That was at the very end. What about the first 2 hours?
He was trying to learn about the Batman which built distrust between the two. Did you watch the movie?

>>85110626
>There's no reason to argue about it anymore

I'll defend it until the day I die, and maybe even past that because this is one of the only movies that could actually entertain me. There's so much garbage everywhere and it makes me sad. Finally a good movie comes out and this is how it's treated? It just seems unjust.

Batman was motivated by his paranoia and mistrust built up from his 20-year long crusade in Gotham. He could not accept that Superman was just a guy trying to do good.

Superman acted heroically for the whole movie, but was gradually losing hope and assurance until it culminated in his fight with Batman. Still, after all that, he was able to trust that Batman would keep his promise. Near the end of the movie, Superman chooses to stay a hero until his demise, telling Lois that she is his world. Where did Superman not act like Superman? Is it because he had doubts during tough times?

>>85110657
His motives were shoddy because he took things to gross extremes, to the point where he directly ignored all attempts at communication repeatedly. That's the problem with the way it was presented in the story. It was batman acting irrationally in regards to present motivation. Made worse by how oddly he just dropped all of it.

It was too much irrationality and rage for him to just about face at one word.

>>85110302
So... are comics advertisements for their movies, or is it the other way around? Because I think it's the other way around now. Movies are the gateway to the comics, for kids particularly. If the movie was disappointing, would that impact the sales of the comics? I'm gonna say yes.

>>85110708
>Did you watch the movie?
He probably didn't.
Just like most people here haven't even read the comics and just complain about them.

>>85110708
>Which I'm certain was an option until Superman tore the roof off his car and told him to fuck off or die.
I can't recall, but wasn't that after batman just got done murdering a bunch of folks with his armored tank car?

>>85110666

see

>>85110708

>And MARTHA! Made him change his mind? So if the jokers mom was named Martha, would batman stop fucking with him?

This is shitposting. Batman's inner turmoil throughout the entire movie were based solely around him not being able to save his parents and struggling with whether or not killing Superman was something he needed to do. When he was about to deliver the final blow Superman tells him he needs to save Martha. Of course its going to make him stop and ask questions.

I swear you retards act like the second he said Martha he helped him up and gave him a hug and shit.

>>85110727
>Movies are the gateway to the comics, for kids particularly.
Even if DC/marvel thinks they are, the constant mega events and rebooting that has been going on for years has made this so hard to actually work.

The comics are often unrecognizable.

>>85110708
>Which I'm certain was an option until Superman tore the roof off his car and told him to fuck off or die.
Stopped reading there.
That actually would've been a good moment to chat, but Batman (the world's greatest detective) instead chose to antagonize him. Or how about when Superman approached him before the fight? That would've been a great time if Superman made a bigger effort to show he was trying to be reasonable.

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>Thread is about Suicide Squad being terrible
>DC fans are still trying to convince people Batman v Superman wasn't

Some kind of strange retrograde buttfrustration

>>85110756

So you're telling me if an alien rocked up one day and leveled an entire city then told you if you kept trying to protect the city you live in he would kill you, you would still be open to a narrative?

This isn't all star Superman palling it up with Batman. This is a violent vigilante and a god clashing morals.

>>85110769
BvS and MoS were great though.

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>>85110788
>This isn't all star Superman palling it up with Batman
That's the problem.

>>85110788
>So you're telling me if an alien rocked up one day and leveled an entire city then told you if you kept trying to protect the city you live in he would kill you, you would still be open to a narrative?

Not him, but you are purposely leaving out a lot of context here.

Zod literally revealed himself, told the world they wanted superman who he also said had been living among them, peacefully.

Zod then, himself, with his minions, attempted to kill everyone, and then superman stopped him.

That's the exact reason people built a damn statue monument to him. Because regular people were able to follow that sequence of events, since it was all publicly outlined for them, and knew that Zod was the asshole.

>>85110788
The unwillingness to work anything out paints a picture of Batman and Superman that makes them out to be stubborn jackasses. In the context of the movie, their motivations were clear, I just don't wanna watch not-Batman have a shitty fight with not-Superman.

>inb4 'not muh'
Batman literally murdered people and Superman spent almost all his time between flights brooding. These characterizations were the worst part of a film that had a myriad of problems.

>>85110811

Don't get me wrong. I would have loved for that fight to have ended with

>Batman: Lex has your mother?
>Superman: That's what I've been trying to tell you!
>B: Leave it to me. You go handle whatever is causing the blackouts
>Handshake to dramatic music

But it's a different interpretation.

I just hope Justice League has Batman and Superman smiling in the same room together.

>>85110830
I hate how WB thinks superman's whole character is being jesus and suffering internally over being jesus.

It's like they all sat down, watched the end of kill bill 2, and then went to write a superman movie.

>>85110353
The action set pieces in BvS are well done...the rest of the movie...ahem.

>>85110825

True but Batman wasn't fighting Superman because he did something evil, he was skeptical about Superman's motives and his ability to not turn evil, a theme that has been visited upon many times. A skepticism that was brought to full closure when, again, Superman ripped the roof off his car and told him if he kept fighting crime he would kill him.

>>85110848
The shittiest part is that there are good Superman books with similar internal struggles, but he overcomes them or learns to live with it.

On a bit of a tangent: They blew their load on the death of Superman already, but it could be an opportunity to focus the character when he comes back.

As far as Emergency Awesome said, the movie may have had too many characters. Don't think he's the type of youtuber that actually does negative criticism in his reviews at all though, didn't for BvS as I recall.

>>85110879
He was trying to kill a man because he felt there was a remote chance the man might do something bad.

>Superman ripped the roof off his car and told him if he kept fighting crime he would kill him
You mean when superman stopped him after he killed like 8 people with his car?

Batman was unable to apply any perspective to his reasoning. He was literally crazy.

>>85110883
They threw the whole death of superman bit away just to push the jesus analogy further.

>>85110879
For all the wanking Snyder does on The Dark Knight Returns, he completely missed the point of Bruce's dislike of Clark.

It wasn't that Superman was hardcore. it was because he wasn't hardcore enough.

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>>85110573
Do you have trouble walking and chewing gum? Or forget to breathe?

I know the movie was convoluted, & Linkin Park AMVs were better edited, but it was not fucking hard to know their motives for gods sake. Not sure how anyone is able to watch a marvel movie if a Zack Snyder movie is hard to figure out for them.

>>85110866
I'll agree for the most part. I think the final fight and the titular fight sucked though.

The final fight was bogged down with retarded story stuff. "No, Supes, spear him! Don't get, say, WW to do it or throw it or anything, just spear him!" And crap like that.

The titular fight was like a bad video game fight.
>douche him with kryptonite
>beat away his HP
>invulnerable stage
>rinse, repeat

>>85110838
>Superman smiling
gross

>>85109221
Waller gets twice buried now, first in GL and now this. That's the real bitch here.

>>85110950
Don't forget being offed in Arrow for no reason

Or being in Arrow at all

>>85110052
people say its really cheesy action flick

>>85110982
Sounds like to me that WB pulled a mirror in front of a marvel movie goer and didn't like what the reflection.

>>85111009
Careful, your butthurt and fanboyism is showing.

>>85111009
The difference is that marvel makes FUN bad movies. Meanwhile, everyone who has seen it appears to be saying that SS just plain sucks.

>>85110291
>He doesn't like what I like so he must be shitposting!

>>85110498
which cinema you at? i might be there

Honestly I don't know what to think. I think people are for some fucking reason expecting super hero antics from super villains and some people are expecting it to be this ground breaking film, others want it to be marvel which is retarded and most retarded of all I've read quite a bit of reviews where they complain it's not pc enough. So I genuinely don't know what to think and will reserve judgement for when I see it

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>>85111039
>every movie must be Sharknado tier now

>>85110411
Okay, your opinion looks worthless. Going to see it on Friday.

>>85111113
all i've seen is people bitching about villains acting like villains. I think over slipknot punching the woman. & supposedly racism is in there. Who knows?

>>85110922
>He was trying to kill a man because he felt there was a remote chance the man might do something bad.
>a man

He didn't think of him as a man, he thought of him as a crazy alien god. Like how they kept showing the jesus imagery in the movie, implying everyone sees him as this godly figure. Batman just sees him as a threatening godly figure.

>>85110353
BvS got the worst batman of all time. Ive got no idea why they couldnt just have used Christian Bale again. Ben Afflecks shitty grumpy batman even breaks what batman is all about by literally killing people and using guns

>>85110923
He wasn't trying to copy that part of the Dark Knight Returns.

>>85111185
>Ive got no idea why they couldnt just have used Christian Bale again
Why the fuck are you even on /co/ you fucking retard

>>85111264
Whats wrong with Bale?

>>85111185
Besides not even having an intimidating size, worst costume, or his Mcgruff the crime dog impression?

>>85110745
That logic makes no fucking sense. You're out to murder someone and just because his mom has the same name as yours, you forgive all past agressions. I should just find some guy with a mom's name matching mine and fuck his shit to hell. See how quick he is to change sides when I mutter her name

What the fuck is even happening in this thread? I just wanted Flash confirmation.
Anyway
>Batman is finally older than his dad
>Feels that he has done nothing worthwile
>Decides to kill a god to exceed his father's legacy
>Stops fighting the god when he realizes he has the chance to do what his father couldn't: Save Martha

>>85111416
He's there for like 3 seconds but it's the best part of the film

A glimpse at the banter between Flash and the Rogues

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>>85110530
These Chris Evans edits just get better and better.

>>85111113

When it comes to Super-hero movie reviews and things like Ghostbusters i never believe the reviews. Saw a couple of tumblr posts and a friend saying they refused to see the movie because Harley was with Joker

>>85112244
Add to that list horror movies.
It boggles my mind when horror trash and/or absolute mediocrity gets positive reviews like it's the new coming of Rosemary's Baby..

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>>85109221

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Maybe the greatest review ever.
This guy is beyond retarded.

>>85110530
>/tv/ autists still forcing this meme .

>>85113831
Is it some sort of deranged attempt at an AI review? Like the twitter Tay bot?

>>85111039
>It just sucks
>why
>idk man it just sucks

It's the same shit ask Disney-tier but somehow those movies aren't destroyed by critics.
Disney characters are not more developed or deep, it's the same cliche shit.
Civil War was boring, really boring. And yet it was praised be cause people expect good Disney movies.
The movie could have been 2 hours of someone taking a shit with a Captain America costume it would have been as much praised.

AoU in said to be bad and yes it was praised by everyone.

You just have to admit that people only want Disney shit

>>85114081
Deadpool wasn't Disney. Nolan's Batman movies weren't Disney. X-2 wasn't Disney. Tim Burton's Batman movies weren't Disney.

>>85114081
Reviewers are saying bad editing, bad plot, too many characters, jokes but overall sort of humorless. Though it seems to vary from review to review which they focus on, though I think the bad editing seems more widespread.

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>>85110982
But what's wrong with cheesy action flicks

>>85113982
That's a /co/ meme. /tv/ doesnt like i.

I'm not going to let some nerdlinger reviews stop me from checking out Suicide Squad, and I don't this my co/mrades will either. Let's all go and see it this weekend and judge for ourselves.

>>85114103
Every of those movies came long before and Deadpool is almost the sale formula as Disney

>>85114127
And those flaws are definitely not present in the Avengers movies right? The Civil War plot is really interesting and everyone care so much about characters like War Machine or Falcon right?

>not funny
Yeah, reviewers area known for their sense of humor.

They just went to see the movie already prepared to hate it and thinking about how they could bring it down, the majority probably spent their entire movies searching for every bad thing in stead of trying to appreciate it.
I don't know what the audiences think, but it's the only thing that matters.

I don't give a shit about what Kevin "top critic for the daily feminist" Goldstein think.

>>85114370
>long before
The Dark Knight came out the same year as Iron Man.
>Deadpool is almost the sale formula as Disney
How?

>>85114397
Funny superhero who makes poop and meme jokes.
Inoffensive flick for every normalfag to enjoy. It's safe.
Deadpool isn't a very big name but a joke about masturbation is enough for everyone to get sold.

And people weren't that close minded in the beginning of the MCU . Most probably didn't care about the cameos.

If DC built their universe on TDK, it would have been what the MCU is now. The norm for superhero movies.

>>85114455
>Inoffensive flick for every normalfag to enjoy. It's safe.
>R-rated
>has the kind of sex-related stuff that actually makes MOM FREAK
No anon, no. Stop. You're being ridiculous.

>>85114471
>oh my God they talked about penis, how can those 20-something millenials enjoy this movie

Yeah it's more edgy, but it remains in a light tone. And you can't have the same time with actual superheroes characters like Batman or Superman.

>>85114525
>it has jokes, therefore it follows the DISNEY FORMULAH
>REAL superheroes like Batman or Superman can't have ANY jokes or humor to them because then they'd just be following the DISNEY FORMULAH
Okay.

>>85114525
Deadpool did a bit more than talking about penises.

>>85114577
Well, however do you want Batman to crack jokes in BvS? The guy is a 40-50 years older guy without family who lost his pupil and more recently friends in the battle of Metropolis.
And Superman feels terribly guilty for what happened and try to do his best to make amends.
Meanwhile we get a glimpse on how the world reacts to the appearance of metahumans.

Thats who I'm not excited about Justice League. I'm tired of funny brainless any feel good movies on super heroes.
Something different could be done with a more serious tone and some "questions" for the viewer. Something more "challenging" (without being pretentious)

I'm not saying than Snyder makes deep, philosophical movies. But at least he tried a different approach, using more iconography and visuals,while setting some interesting concepts like how can the world react to a Superman.

Yeah, the movie is messy, Lex is awful and Superman is unused. But there whole idea wasn't terrible and the overly bad reviews show that people aren't open minded in that and only want more flicks about the same thing over and over.

Because of that, we're having Justice Quips, and /u/BarryAllen.

>>85114765
Shit there is a fuckton of spelling errors

>>85114525
>And you can't have the same time with actual superheroes characters like Batman or Superman.
Tell that to the Justice League trailer.

Fuck man, Affleck literally looks at the audience in it when he talks about the "talk to fish" thing

Sorry for bumping this stupid thread, but this discussion about the character motives in BvS always annoy me. I still can't believe that people struggle to understand them.

Batman motives was that after the Metropolis attack he felt so powerless that coupled with his past failures as Batman he started to see his whole life mission as futile.
Batman knew that Superman was "trying" to do good, but using his own example and failures as reason he knew that whatever Superman tried to do was futile and sooner than later he'd do another big fuck-up that'd leave people hurt. The constant recent news about the African massacre and capitol bombing only reaffirmed Batman's opinions and his resolve of sacrificing himself to take out Superman. Batman was planning of suiciding himself by way of Superman.

Lex Luthor motives was that he had major issues relating to his father, who put an air of good man and father for the public while actually being a major ass. So when Superman showed up doing almost the same thing he projected his daddy issues unto Superman.
Lex Luthor also tried to be superior to any in anyway either by manipulating people or having his hand in everything. So the fact that Superman had all this power while he had none despite all his knowledge and wealth bothered him.
Lex Luthor initial plan in the movie was to use the African massacre to give the congress a political crisis created by Superman that'd give the congress the leverage necessary to turn the media against Superman so that Lex could use that as an in to turn his "meta-human thesis" to them and be able to create a sort of think-tank project to fuck with Superman and the rest of meta-humans. The problem was that the senator lady knew that Lex wouldn't be content with just creating deterrents.

>>85115311

As for Superman...

Superman was just doing his business when the media started to attack him for things he didn't do. He got more and more frustrated with the media unfair persecution when he learned about the Batman and just how bad the guy was. The fact that nobody cared because Batman being bad and Gotham being awful wasn't news frustrated Superman even more and so he set out to put a stop to Batman as Superman.
Superman after the capitol bombing started to believe the media that maybe his presence and actions brought more bad and good and decided that'd be better he just fucked off and is this moment that the plot start to center on his relationship on Lois.

Initially Lois started to doubt their relationship thinking she was holding him back and the first half of the movie does indeed show that their connection was that gave Lex an in to find about Superman real identity and bait him. She is shown as his biggest weakness.
But in the later half after the capitol bombing Superman learn from the ghost/hallucination of Pa Kent that our loved ones, as in the case of Lois, are actually our biggest strengths, because you can't really control things. Even when you're trying to do good things some bad things will happen, and yes it is hard to deal with this, the guilt will keep you awake at night, but as long as you've someone to help you through these rough patches you'll have the strength to keep going on.
So Lois is the one that helps Superman to soldier on and keep on doing the good work. That's why he comes back, that's why he sacrifices himself.

There. Now you guys have the characters motives.

>A source with knowledge of events says Warners executives, nervous from the start, grew more anxious after they were blindsided and deeply rattled by the tepid response to BvS. “Kevin [Tsujihara, Warner Bros. CEO] was really pissed about damage to the brand,” says one executive close to the studio. A key concern for Warners executives was that Suicide Squad didn’t deliver on the fun, edgy tone promised in the strong teaser trailer for the film. So while Ayer pursued his original vision, Warners set about working on a different cut, with an assist from Trailer Park, the company that had made the teaser.

JUST

>>85110307
This.

>>85111039
>follows the Marvel formula perfectly! 10/10
>ugh follows the Marvel formula perfectly...1/10

Why?

>>85114081
>Disney characters are not more developed or deep, it's the same cliche shit.
But DC characters are?

>>85115311
>>85116327
>people will accuse you of making this all up

lol
Who pays BvS haters?

>>85116621
Not especially, that's why it's bullshit to call on that issue while comparing them to Disney movies.
But this is what critics are. Subjectivity at best.

>>85114081
Nobody I've ever talked to or heard from or met has ever considered marvel movies as Disney movies in any way at all

>>85117343
Critics talk about the objective qualities of a film.

DCEU films are just objectively terrible. While Marvel films are objectively okay, sometimes really good.

>>85110484
nah this is shit posting, go see the movie. I honestly think the best part of the movie is Deadshot and Harley

>>85117837
No they don't lol

All they say is "it sucks." No mention of music, sounds, visuals, or any other aspect than tone and plot. They cannot think objectively. Have you read any reviews? They're retarded. It's like reading something off of tumblr.

>>85117837
>critics talk about the objective qualities
Now they're giving you their opinions.

>>85117837
No its mostly
"bad movie marvel is better lol"

And that's not exaggerated

>>85117837

The only reviews that talked objectively about the movie mention the weird pace (first half fast, second half slow), the annoying musics, the cliche third act and the fact that not all jokes land.

All the other reviews? They are pure SJW shit. Shit like complaining about Harley's ass being more important than the actors face and shit like that.

>>85118143
>>85118234
>>85118325
Who has oversight against these people? Who watches the Watchmen? How come they don't get fired or have their reputation tarnished for giving a poorly constructed review? Who decides which "critics" get aggregated?