So why wasn't she used as the new Iron 'man'?

bendis doesn't have a memory

>>85026083
We need to keep letting people know about LIla and we need to find a way to ask Bendis why she wasn't picked to be the next Iron Man.

>>85026083
Because Bendis won't get royalties from a pre-existing character.

Yes.

>>85026083
Bendis wanted to insert his daughter into the Marvel U and make a Rianna reference. I don't think it occurred to him that he'd be perpetuating the stereotype of blacks giving their kids fucking absurd names.

>>85026083
Bendis wants future royalties for his original character.

Because bendis would rather use a character he created

>>85026350
What's the name of the new Iron Black Woman again?

>>85026350
I'm black and I've never meet a riri

That better just be a nickname

>>85026428
that's her name man
it isn't short for anything nor a nickname

r i r i
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>>85026428
I'm sorry Fampai but REE REE Williams is here to stay until bendis gets bored and decides to make another brown character.

>>85026083
People would have complained anyways so might as well do what you want.

Cute wrench wench > "girl genius"

I bet she smells like delicious petrol.

How come black people weren't upset that a white man created Riri? Also, what the fuck kind of name is Riri?

>>85026627
as a black guy I question why he didn't use lila
it'll be another shit bendis self insert OC who'll be written way better in someone else's hands a la Miles

I bet he watched work and decided to name her that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL1UzIK-flA

>>85026559
I love how his eyes go red when he's white.

>>85026083
So Bendis can say HE made her

1) Bendis doesn't read comics
2) Bendis gets to boast how he's the savior of black people.

>>85026627
Anon black people who actually read comics don't give a shit as long as the character is good. Since this is Bendis I expect this character to be as bland as white bread but possibly decent when not written by Bendis.

>>85026814
>MGS I heard him on NPR preaching about how he's ushering 2016 as the year of the black superhero

What an asshat. I mean, I got no problem with more black heroes getting the spotlight, but fuck Bendis.

>>85027448
*mfw

Have no idea why that autocorrected to MGS

>>85027448
>>85027477
>mfw

And yet reaction image.

>>85027537
*>And yet no

Bendis wants to get some royalties if his original character ever gets adapted somewhere.

>>85026272
Wait, Marvel writers get royalties?!

>>85026083
She is the War Machine

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>>85026428
I'm french and the only Riri I know is this one

>>85026272
>>85026148
Combination of these two. Bendis doesn't read anyone else's works and when he does he doesn't remember them or care enough to do research, and also in the age of movies and TV you want to get credit for as many characters as possible.

Fun fact: Dennis O'Neil didn't receive any credit or royalties for the first Iron Man movie using Obadiah Stane/Iron Monger and being half inspired by his run. O'Neil had to call. Joey Q and mention "Hey I was just thinking, I did create those characters in your multi million dollar movie, would it be OK if you threw a few bucks my way so I don't have to eat cat food?"

Also O'Neil has created so many classic characters and stories that he didn't remember that he had created the characters in Iron Man until a friend pointed it out during the movie.

The guy came up with the name "Optimus Prime" and doesn't even remember because to him it was just another Tuesday.

>>85026243
Wasn't this essentially what happened when Carol became Captain Marvel, and people kept bringing up Monica until eventually writers remembered her?

>>85027883
There have been many Captain Marvels. Monica just has an obnoxious fanbase.

>>85027848
Denny is the fucking man

>>85026083
>Is Marvel filled with so many black women who possesses such vast intelligence that they're a dime a dosen?

This is not really a fair critique when Marvel already has tons of super genius white men, black men, women, teens, and even children.

>>85027883
What gets me about Monica is she'd be way easier for Marvel to push with this ANAD shit. Carol is an alcoholic right leaning Warhawk. Oh and she's white, blue eyed, blonde, and amazonian.

Monica meanwhile is black, has done everything Carol has AND you don't have to fucking rip out her core character concepts to make her appeal to the teenage fangirls you're trying to attract.

>>85026584
Thissssssssssss

Characterfags will be always be the biggest crybabies

>>85027417
>as soon as i get paid as much as your father
for working fewer hours at a lower-paying job?

>>85027914
At least Monica has a fan base

>>85028383
Consisting entirely of powerlevel fags and Nextwave memes

>>85026083
Because it'd make more sense for her to become the new War Machine.

>>85026584
That's true. People don't like it when characters they like get phased out and will hate whatever they think caused it. It's bad politics to replace characters like that.

Writing comics should not be a zero-sum game, how did it become a zero-sum game?

>>85028227
Most of the complaints come from Bendis ignoring previous continuity to insert another shitty OC in place of a legacy that there are hundreds of more suitable candidates for

>>85028410
Still more of a fan base that Carol

>>85026428
So am I.

I remember when riri was short for retard.

>>85028516
Her name is Lili, just Engrished

>>85027417
Is this the one where they shit on female heroes and it turns out this chick is some super scientist with a secret basement?

>>85028477
Nah.

They're complaining because they can't get yet another bland Tony Stark story.

>>85026083
Because it's Bendis.
Bendis?
Yes, Bendis.
The writer?
Yes.

>>85026083
My guess or excuse, There's more buzz and promotion around the introduction of new characters rather than building up existing ones. It's easier to slide an entirely new character into the role of Iron Man than to explain why Lila wouldn't carry on her uncles legacy. And apparently who gives a shit about War Machine.

What the actual reason is I'm willing to bet is that Bendis doesn't even know who the fuck that is.

>>85028653
>the writer?
>The one from Marvel?
>Marvel writes?

>>85028653
>Has the entire conversation in a single post
Way to compressed to be Bendis, you need to spread that out between 5 posts at least.

>>85028536
Honestly I'd be down if she was a huge weeaboo

>>85028516
I assumed her name was going to be short for Rihanna or something.

As much as he likes to mention how his life is filled with strong black women you'd think at least his wife would give him some pointers or point out mistakes or misconceptions.

>>85028757
that would require Bendis to actually spend time with black people and get to know black weeaboos.

I swear to christ, nothing quite so surreal as walking past a bunch stereotypical blacks only to hear them debating over whether or not goku could defeat ironman.

I pointed out that goku is vulnerable to lasers thanks to DBZ super or whatever the fuck they're calling that movie and they laughed their assess off when their weebest friend got super butt blasted.

>>85028890
You'd think a man who adopted two black girls (saving one from the horrors of having to live in Africa) would have spent enough time with black people

>>85028705
>It's easier to slide an entirely new character into the role of Iron Man than to explain why Lila wouldn't carry on her uncles legacy.
But Rhodey WAS Iron Man

>>85028987
It's fucking wierd, I grew up in the ghetto. I've known plenty of black people in my time and shit can get fucking ugly. Nigga moments are a real phenomenon.

But people like bendis ain't interested in the basic facts of reality, that for good shit to exist you have bad shit. I've seen him try to write urban black characters and it just comes off as academic.

He's not interested in real black people, he's fascinated with characters he's built in his head. Why he's fucking fixated on black people I don't know but it's bluntly fetishitic at this point.

>>85027956
Too bad he wasted his talent in the 70's doing heavy-handed political stories.

>>85029035
this is Brian 'continuity is hard you guys :(' the bowel movement. He's not gonna even consider acknowledging someone else's characters when he can make an OC.

>>85029078
Civil rights were a much bigger and more important issue in the 70's.

There isn't anything wrong with having politics in your stories, it just becomes bad when the politics are dumb, overblown and downright delusional.

>>85027706
Depends on the usage of the character. Since Bendis has been incredibly loyal to the company (and given that he was part of that group that Perlmutter set up to oversee the Marvel films before Feige cut them off), his contract may be different than others.

>>85029035
Rhodey being Iron Man is like Sam being Cap. Once he goes back to Falcon you're going to largely forget about him bein Cap altogether and it will only be brought up as anecdotal evidence to some thing. EVEN NOW, if I say tell me about Captain America chances are you're going t tell me about Steve. Sam isn't even going to cross your mind, or Bucky. Same with the Hulk and Banner, Same with Hawkeye and Clint... It's almost like making these legacy characters or passing on the mantle has no lasting influence on comics, hmmmm.

>>85026083
Bendis just wants to self insert his daughter into the comic he's writing.

>>85027417
Isn't Peter around her age?

>>85028705
>What the actual reason is I'm willing to bet is that Bendis doesn't even know who the fuck that is.

Pretty much this, he doesn't know shit about continuity

>>85027848
Meanwhile, over at DC, creators receive royalties no matter where or when their creations are used.

Len Win has received more royalty money for Lucius Fox than for Wolverine.

>>85030139
Len Wein, not Win.
Fucking auto-correct.

>>85030139
I think technically for most of them it's equity payments not royalties. Not sure how much of a difference that makes in the end though.

>>85029996

Read The first Secret Wars.

Rhodes was Iron Man the whole time. Even tried to lay the pipe on Monica Rambeau.

>>85027748
What are the names of other chumps? In Finland they are Tupu, Hupu, Lupu.

>>85030139
That was back when Paul Levitz was in charge though. WB tries hard to avoid doing so (there was an issue back when Gerry Conway wasn't being compensated for Killer Frost)

>>85030360
I think you may have misread my post. I'm not saying he wasn't, I'm saying in the long run it doesn't matter. That unless it's a title he currently has or keeps permanently you don't associate him with that role.

>>85026711
Because they are setting up 2 black girls as the new iron man and War machine. Seriously how does no one get this shit yet. 2 Black females as 2 current A list Marvel heroes. Lila is Rhodey's niece, following the events of Civil War 2 it makes sense she would pick up the mantle of War Machine.

Riri is problem gonna find her pouting about regarding Rhodey and tell her if she wants to honor him then fight.

>>85030852
>Making fanfic for shit that won't happen

>>85030891
I would honestly bet money that shit is going to happen. Maybe not Riri confronting her like that but Lila will pick up the mantle.

Maybe other Heroes will see a "War machine" flying around and they try to hunt him down only to reveal it's his niece.

>>85030852
I want Riri, Lila and Toni Ho to start a colorful armor girl team

Armor from the X-Men can try to join but they think she's fake af

>>85031010
You know I didn't even think about it like that but it could basically become marvels version of the Magic girl Anime group.

>>85029996

This.

Hell, in five years time who's gonna remember Ock was Spiderman for a full year realtime? And actually got some fucking character development to boot?

Not the writers that's for fucking sure when they have the Jackal clone Otto a new body for him to download into from the Living Brain. Assuming this hasn't already happened yet.

What about Nomad? No fucker remembers that. The fact that X-Men spent a massive period of 90's living in goddamn Australia? Remember how Maximum Carnage actually has a satan powered Hobgoblin, Deathlok and an honest to god Spawn expy? No you fucking don't.

Then over on the DC side of things there's the whole Lex -> Alex Luthor thing that happened in the 90's and it's never been explained what actually happened to his hair. Or if everyone knows that it's actually lex or still thinks he's his estranged son.

>>85029996
Wally fucking West.

>>85031160
>Hell, in five years time who's gonna remember Ock was Spiderman for a full year realtime? And actually got some fucking character development to boot?

>TFW you remember when Ock did this in the late 80's but felt bad for Peter and reversed it because he was dying or some shit and the reversion cured him

>>85030510
No, they still do it. Conway got it wrong and posted a correction.

>>85030852
You're giving them too much credit. Bendis doesn't even know Lila exists.

>>85030964
>Maybe other Heroes will see a "War machine" flying around and they try to hunt him down only to reveal it's his niece.

Man, that would be a fucking good history. Much better than a girl who makes a suit of stolen parts.

>>85031243

That's DC though. DC is better when it comes to legacy characters. You have things like Wally, like Kyle, like The Question, hell they almost managed to do it with Batman. Superman nearly got replaced by a legacy character when Doomsday killed him but in the end DC pussied out and brought him back.
But then they turned right around at the end of that and had Hal go completely off the deep end and become Parallax, so it kind of balanced out.

>>85031249

See? This is exactly the sort of shit I'm talking about. Also, we mention it a lot, but remember the time that Sandman was a fucking Avenger? And he's never been officially kicked off the team?

>>85029431
I'm not just talking about Civil Rights, I'm talking about every other political issue of the day he forced into GL/GA.

>>85029996
This.

Another reason why complainers are retarded. Who cares if they can't have their waifu for 6 months, for a year, for 2 or 5 years even. They will return and barely anyone will care about the other guys.

>>85030852
That's implying that Bendis actually has peripheral vision beyond the things that he writes and actually sets things up in advance

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>>85028987
Well when would an old man who looks like the Kingpin ever have the opportunity to be exposed to any kind of teenager or weeaboo? He can't be that far off from pic related.

>>85031301
Marvel listens, they heard the fans losing their shit when Riri was announced as Ironman. Their Twitter was full of people asking about Lila. At some point she is going to don the Armor. Even if Bendis wasn't familiar with her before, he is now I guarantee it. It would be a great story and alot good will from fans and media once all the initial vitriol dies down.

>>85027848
>so I don't have to eat cat food?"
He is one of the few guys in comics who gets an actual pension from DC. I can't attest to how much but he gets one.

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>>85030139
>Len Win has received more royalty money for Lucius Fox than for Wolverine.
Still mad about it.

>>85027848
>didn't receive any credit or royalties
>had to call. Joey Q and mention "Hey I was just thinking, I did create those characters in your multi million dollar movie, would it be OK if you threw a few bucks my way so I don't have to eat cat food?"
The same happened to Jim Starlin about Thanos.

>>85028592
Wow, imagine that. Iron Man fans want to read about Tony Stark. Fucking weirdos, eh?

>>85034482
More like fucking retards, like all characterfags.

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>>85026083
Because its marvel.
They did already a diverse young avengers.

As far as i know, the sales were not bad.
Not overwhelming but good enough as their current diversity push books, which they just hold on because of diversity.

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>>85035178
And now mix first young avenger with second rooster.
Bam the diversity book that makes sense and isnt build on all new characters that feel shoved into our face.

>>85035178
>The half of the team on the right is completely ignored these days

Even being kid Vision is suffering

>>85026083
so what this is like the third black female supergenius that showed up? let me guess, she is spunky,has attitude, maybe a little clumsy, smiles all of the time, has a lot of confidence and her "genius" is simply "makes standard sci fi tech" without ever actually going into the science aspect of it.

>>85035305
What's most frustrating about that is I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT HULKLING. Not even a little bit. To me his biggest contribution is sucking Wiccans dick from time to time so he stays calm and level headed and doesn't do something utterly fucking retarded or desperate like his mom does when you leave her by herself. BUT because Wiccan is kind of interesting or compelling I have to see his worthless green ass in every comic you want to put Wiccan in.

>>85035305
Stature is a secondary character in Ant-Man

>>85035305
Yep they had it already giong but dropped it, didnt evolved it further.
Mix both roosters, besides asian and transgendered you have covered everything that diversity stands for.
At least all 5 years we get something like a mini series.

>>85028512
Yes, twelve people is more than five.

>>85035809
Thats beause he is a skrull, besides his body, his mind is a blank sheet.
Wasnt there a story in earth or in f4 that skrulls reached some cosmic level that they like Asgardians took the form of what other races think of them? And they meet krees and they think the skrulls are evil and they adapt to this?

And yes, they should give him more character developement than just love interest.
And now with No-Varr in their team he could get some developement.

>>85035809
Do not speak of Scarlet Witch in that manner. Unless you mean his biological mother for his current body, in which case carry on.

>>85036038
>Wasnt there a story in earth or in f4 that skrulls reached some cosmic level that they like Asgardians took the form of what other races think of them? And they meet krees and they think the skrulls are evil and they adapt to this?

Earth-X, though I'm not sure if that last detail is canon to it, memory is fuzzy.

>>85026428
Obviously Bendis thinks that's Rihanna's actual name.

>>85026083
She's probably one of those students that the new lady Iron Man stole tech from

Ok how long until Marvel stops making books and just focuses on movies? Because honestly, its not worth the paper its printed on, and I havent meant anyone yet who still buys their books

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>>85035843
And yet she still wasn't invited to the team reunion in CW2: Choosing Sides

>>85035178
Nah, they're all basically white except for the one black guy.

>>85035809
I think Hulkling has potential if only they weren't attached at the hip. They can't grow up and become their own people if they're constantly defined by this relationship

Send Hulkling into space to be cosmic King Arthur. Let him connect with his Kree and Skrull roots, get a new costume/superhero appearance and codename. He's not a Hulk, he's a Vell

>>85036664
There's a Jewish kid

And Kang was most recently Chinese so they could have made Iron Lad and Vision 2 ambiguously Asian.

>>85036574
Ew, why are you reading CW2

Is black genius girl going to become a comic meme like black computer hacker/coder guy is in movies?

>>85027914
Is it really obnoxious if your character got shit on for years while once leading the Avengers, and then Carol comes around and they tout her a some sort of feminist icon?

>>85036574
Neither was Speed or Patriot. Nobody in Marvel gives a fuck about the first Young Avengers team.

>>85037309
Speed is at least mentioned in the first panel of that page.

He was only in like 1 issue of Gillen's run and a few cameos afterwards, it's bullshit that the others are ignored but he counts

>>85037407
It especially sucks because he's my favorite character. Im a sucker for, as he's explicitly called "the team sociopath".

>>85037552
All Marvel GOESFAST guys are the same, just with different ages and sexualities.

>>85030139
DC has a pretty checkered history when it comes to creator compensation.

Look up all the nonsense with Killer Frost to see how they can really fuck people over

>>85037700
The chick that has big thighs and eats warmth?

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>>85037309
>Nobody in Marvel gives a fuck about the first Young Avengers team

I'm hurt by how true that is. At least Patriot and Cassie are far away from the shit show that is new Young Avengers

>>85036574
what the fuck is with the shading here?

How do black anons feel about this kind of shit? it must feel really depressing for your people to be so inept in science you have to settle for white cucks creating fictional smart black characters-

>>85038877
I don't particularly care. She isn't CUTE like fellow spin-off kid heroine Kamala and her final suit is just a lighter version of Iron Man instead of following the logic from her prototype one that had feeling of giant robot at human scale. One that would best described as Mobile Suit Optimus would have been cooler.

>>85038877
I only get upset when it's pushed by shitty comic journo sites as the next best thing since sliced bread. It's just condescending and patronizing. Otherwise I don't care and they're typically gone/forgotten in 8-12 issues or after a major event that brings back the character they replaced..

>>85026627
The only person I've ever known to be called Riri was a badass Vietnamese dude.

>>85038877
When it comes to science issues and race in comics it bothers me a lot more that Forge isn't a at least a some kind of casual millionaire funneling his gains into helping mutant and or Native American causes. Stark, even when his company is in a landslide and hasn't been seen doing shit except getting his buildings blown up still can afford private planes and shit. Reed who had people pay him not to invent things so it wouldn't collapse the economy. But Forge just hangs out in the fucking X- Mens basement. His mutant power is basically create any machine he can imagine, but he hasn't figured out how to turn that into a few bucks, It's bullshit. Or racism mutants aren't given or are withheld from the opportunity to be innovators and game changers in the tech world.


>it must feel really depressing for your people to be so inept in science you have to settle for white cucks creating fictional smart black characters-

But to take your point seriously or at least kind of seriously. Its depressing that Kevin Grevioux creates Blue Marvel who, while basically another Superman mold, has an interesting story and personality, and interesting relationship with his son who's also extremely intelligent but has never really received ANY push or recognition as an intelligent or positive black character. But Bendis creates and then introduces a character as stealing pieces of tech from around campus to "make" an Iron Man suit and be a direct copy in not only look but name as well gets all this press and acclaim for what is essentially re-imagining Lila Rhodes.

>>85026083
poof

'revitiligo' was kind of funny but i can't believe uncle ruckus never claimed his disease was called 'ebonic plague'

Challenge: Describe Riri's personality.

You can't

>>85026755
It's called albinism my friend

>>85026350
Bendis is black?

>>85026083
She can be the new War Machine

>>85030852
Lesbians.

>>85043441
Semen Demon.

>>85026083
Because she fucking replaced her dead uncle as War Machine

I wonder if Marvel is assblasted at creating tons of minority/""""""progressive"""""" characters and having no one really give a shit outside of Tumblr reblogs. They're probably wondering why they're not on Jimmy Fallon and the cover of Time.

>>85043597
His wife's daughter is.

>>85026083
>So why wasn't she used as the new Iron 'man'?
Marvel still remembers that last time Ironman was black.