Why are the fight scenes in this show such shit? They aren't

Because fight scenes are inherently boring, as a concept.

because those cost money.

>>85009191
Are you fucking gay?

>>85009191
True

The show isnt about fighting

It's getting excited whenever Steven, the underdog, does some good shit

same goes with others, like Lapis punching Jasper through the fucking boat

and Greg getting the video transmission to work

>>85009326
hello? SJW? Come on now

>>85009441
>The show isn't about fighting
>Show starts out as monster-of-the-week where gems have to fight
>All crystal gems have backstories about being soldiers
>The Gem War is an integral part of the backstory of the show
>Not about the fights

What's the fucking point of including so much fighting-based shit if the fights are going to be shit?

Why is god damn EVERYTHING for this show such shit? Give me one thing this show does right not including background music and background art.

>>85011305
It's not about the fights. It's about peaceful resolution to conflicts in contrast to violent ones.

Why are the villains such shit?

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>>85011305
>Show stars a character who is very specifically not a fighter and has support powers only
>The war for all those warriors is over for the most part, dealing more with the aftermath
>Monster of the week was just a thing, the stories themselves were almost never about the monsters
>The main cast works pretty hard to avoid fights at any cost because they would lose another war being only 4 (now 6) gems

Not to mention how horrifically grossly you understate the quality of the fights. It's not great, but they're not shit.

>>85009169
what fight scenes

do you mean the ones where the main characters get into arguments and cry?

cause I honestly don't remember any other kinds of fights

>>85013004
Fuck off.

>>85012883
Great job showing the only fight that was halfway decent in the entire 2 first seasons.

You only proved his point you fucking retard.

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>>85013149

>>85012883
>>85012793

>Connie and Steven shown to be sparring in latest promo
>Stevonnie is going to fight off Jasper
>Probably going to be a shit fight

The "it's about peace" or "Steven is about defense" argument can only hold so much weight when characters actively fight a conflict and it looks like shit. Being close to 100 episodes in and having two or three decent fights is nothing to brag about.

>>85013246
>Characters stand in place with a static camera at a flat angle
What an amazing fight.

>>85013031
You know you remind me of pearl, not Pearl. the character in this show, pearl the material. You share a certain property with this material, something to do with the saline nature of the sea

>>85012823
It's because they're so quick to subvert the premise of the character instead of giving them time to be intimidating. Peridot disintegrated from a semi intimidating character with a unique design to a literal meme and lost her enhancers, the most interesting aspect of her design. Jasper went from a powerful fighter who thinks fusion is disgraceful to a groveling fusion slut within her first few appearances. They pull the same shit with other characters too. Tall stoic gem is actually two emotionally unstable weaklings with no individuality. Male lead uses emotional manipulation instead of force of will. Cute skinny gem in a dress is literally the most powerful gem we know of. It seems like they don't play very many of the archetypes straight, which, while not inherently bad, kind of knocks the wind out of the antagonists before they catch their stride.

>>85013285
>Very short clip from a fight scene uses this specific shot for 3 seconds, SHIT FIGHT SHIT FIGHT SHIT FIGHT SHIT FIGHT! IT SHOULDA CHANGED CAMERA ANGLES AT LEAST 5 TIMES IN THOSE 3 SECONDS!

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>>85013292
>that comeback
I'm not even mad.

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Why do ten year old boys keep coming onto 4chan and complaining about a lack of good fight scenes in a SoL comedy drama about love and relationships?

It is a mystery.

>>85013382
Action doesn't have to be mindless, but I guess some tumblr-fag would think that.

>>85013417
>Using that clip as an example of a good fight
>Gets mad when it's actually fuels how bad the fights are

But please keep telling me that SU isn't about the fights to justify how shitty the fights are.

>>85013457
Why does SU even include fights if it wants to be a SoL comedy drama about love and relationships?

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>>85013473
>if someone disagrees with me they're tumblr

>>85009169
Shitty CN budget weighted more heavily toward musical numbers because that's what brings in the emmies

>>85013527
gotta hit dat young male demo

I wish that just once we had an episode where it felt like all these characters we've been introduced to felt like they existed in the same universe, instead of like, Here's steven and lapis, or here's steven and the gems (oh wait, only the three from the opening) or here's a peridot episode.

The episode with lapis on the boat pissed me off. She stresses out about fusioning and it's like wow if only there was a house full of gems that could talk to her but instead she randomly ends up with steven and his dad on a boat (also fuck that millionaire plotline what the fuck) and has apparently never interacted with the other gems at all?

The whole show just feels like writers come on and want to showcase specific characters and it never feels like a world or a show with any great connection. It just seems like a bunch of one offs that are barely related. I've never once felt like beach city was a place only ever a backdrop for one off stories. The whole show feels more like the animation equivalent of an anthology using the same characters.

also the fights suck.

>>85013149
Anyone have the animatic for this fight? I remember it actually looking better than the final product.

Does Steven ever get repercussions for going full retard every episode?

>>85013527

Because they are used as a representation for how characters relate to each other rather than a literal contest of strength? It's all Kabuki theater.

>>85013618
There's only so much you can do in 11 minutes.

Which is why that timeframe is SU's biggest crutch.

>>85013618
Lapis is a loner, it makes sense that she wouldn't talk to anyone about her problems (except Steven because Steven is a nosy prick).

I get what you mean on the whole, but like >>85013693 said, with 11 minutes there's only so many characters you can use and still have room for plot.

>>85013669
Nope, everything he gets wrong is excused and everything he does right is praised because the gems are afraid to punish him because tumblr will spam their inboxes for being hating a beautiful fat "reborn in a male body" transgender woman.

>>85013618

It's because Lapis is a shitty character. Peridot is okay, at least they're integrating her somewhat with the cast and Steven can play a big role in her story. Lapis has no meaningful traits or personality besides being a victim, so any episode which focuses on her character rather than her circumstances will inevitably be awkward and out-of-place.

>>85013670
You can't really make the comparison between live actors who can't do flips on a small stage and an animated show where sets and physical limitations don't exist. There are a lot of ways to have decent fights on a budget, I would think most of Warner Brothers Saturday Morning line-up proved that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCTZ-DB7blc

>>85013850
>peridot is okay

She went from "interesting antagonist" to "generic anime girl" in the span of a week, and the writers already ran out of ideas for her so they had to throw in a new power to compensate.

>>85013974
>Fan animations are better than the show
>B-but they had a lot of time to work on it, they weren't on a schedule!
>Yeah I know, imagine if this guy had a TEAM of artists and Korean animators working for him? Almost like something like this would've been doable for a finale battle on a schedule.

I honestly believe that Sugar just simply did not hire anyone with the proper skill set to do a proper fight. She seemed to put all her eggs in the basket of "Can they do emotional moments really good?". Which is fine, but when you have 10 boarders who all excel in the same department, it's going to hinder the show somewhere. And in this case, it's the fights. It's why the physics of tears is better looking than Garnet's punches.

>>85013850
I really wish we could get some episodes with Lapis trying to fix her shit with the CGs. Trying to push this thing with Jasper being an abuser is hamfisted and doesn't even make fucking sense considering Lapis was the one holding the fusion together and consented to it. It's not very interesting and could be replaced with characterization for the CGs and their relationship with Lapis as a team member.

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>>85012883
That fight had serious problems and could've been done much better

>>85013881

Again, having the fights look really good isn't their top priority. Not to mention they don't have much control over that part of the process anyway, since the actual animation is done overseas and from what I've seen they have to hold their hands for even the most basic of dynamic movements. Anything that looks halfway decent the storyboarders basically draw frame by frame themselves, which is a huge time investment that could be justifiably spent in a number of other places in the episode.

>>85013527
SU wants to be everything to appeal to everyone.

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>>85013457
>show about aliens
>slice of life

>>85014171
Did you even watch Alone at Sea?

Lapis consented to the fusion because she planned to trap Jasper all along. She's the abuser in the scenario, and she knows it, and she feels even worse knowing that Jasper got mindbroken into some submissive fusion slut while they were underwater.

If you want more Lapis/CG development though, Bismuth will probably kickstart it.

The only good fight scene is at the end of Ocean Jem

In fact the only good episodes are MIrror/Ocean Jem

>>85014175
Could've, but will never be. Animating it like your gif would mean the storyboarders would have to take time away from crafting a story in favor of frame by frame animating a good fight with the hope of Korea not fucking it up that much.

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I literally have no idea why i watch SU

Maybe it's so boring and mediocre I completely forget I even ever watched it and thus I never get tired of it.

>>85014087
But Peridot was never an interesting antagonist.

>>85014476
>SU will never have a good fight because then the artists will have to work hard.

Why do people think people working on shows are amateurs who can only do one or the other? Either it's STORY or FIGHTS! PICK ONE! As if shit like Avatar hasn't shown that both are fucking possible.

It's like the same shitty argument where adult animation isn't allowed to have good visuals because they're too busy writing jokes to look good.

>>85012646
I recently got into SU about a month ago, it's pretty convenient; /sug/ is always up and always has megas for the episodes. What they do right in my opinion is show personality for the characters. It feels real, you can feel an emotional attachment to the character's situation. What really allows this to happen is the delivery, it isn't perfect, but it is done better than any other cartoon I've seen that tries to connect to the audience emotionally.

>>85014103

That ten second clip took what, a month for one guy? Let's do the math here. Boarders work in teams of two, and the animators in Korea can't handle anything beyond simple movement, so something close to the level of that video has to be sent to them beforehand. That's two weeks for 10 seconds of animation. Heck, let's say they do the frames looser and let the Koreans use model sheets, and that cuts the time in half again. That's a week for 10 seconds of animation. Then you need time to write and board the rest of the episode, so you've put 50% of your time you get to work on the episode into less than 2% of the content, so everything else looks like shit.

>>85014554
I found her scenes funny because she was just trying to do her job and didn't really understand why the CGs kept harassing her. It probably couldn't have been kept up for long, but regardless of if you liked it it was much better than the shitty meme dorito we have now.

>>85014476
Things exist where both have been achieved. One does not automatically take away from the other, the creators are just incompetent at action, like how they are at songwriting

Constantly apologizing for ineptitude is why japan/europe make our cartoons look like trash

>>85014600
Solution: Put on one or two more boarders for an episode. It's not fucking rocket science. Maybe SU didn't need to waste some of its budget hiring Nicki Minaj as a guest voice when they could have made the fight between Suguilite and Pearl look good instead.

Shows like Gumball sometimes have high as six writers for a single episode. Gravity Falls sometimes had four - five people boarding an episode. What exactly makes SU so special it can't bend its own protocol now and then for special occasions other than "But Sugar really wants pairs for episodes!"?

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>>85014542

>>85009169
It's just a slice of life at most, with little tidbits of action and "lore" here and there, hell the mindnumbingly boring soundtrack, subdued pastel coloring style, and backgrounds that look like it could fit in a maternity ward wallpaper should clue you in on this already. Pretty much not suited for an action show.

But the primary focus is not on that, not even the so-called, MC, but the side characters and the shitty agenda it has (wow look at all these cool stuff these lesbian girls could do while Steven just gets a lame shield) and shipping shit, fueled primarily by retarded drama for drama's sake. Also, there's singing, how would anyone take an "action show" with lots of singing during a fight scene seriously?

>>85014542
I feel this way about AT. I've been watching it and loved in since its release. It just feels like part of life now. No matter what they do wrong I will still watch it. I honestly cannot see a world where AT will be done, and over with no more new episodes. The series might even extend to 2018, due to the confirmation of season 9.

>>85014440
Well, sure, LAPIS knows she fucked up but Steven, the show's moral compass, pretty much gives no shits about what she did to Jasper. Plus, while I didn't save the screenshot, I'm relatively certain she was smiling when she punted Jasper off the boat. I'm not sure if she actually feels bad for Jasper or feels bad for herself for acting the way she did without any guilt for its impact. Regardless, her moping a lot doesn't really count as repercussions for her actions in my book.

I also hope you're right about Bismuth, but for my money, Lapis won't even meet her. Guess I'll wait on the leaks.

>>85014777
>>>/reddit/ is that way

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>>85014692
She turned into a cackling cartoon villain with her mocking escapes and insults. She seemed more like a mad scientist than someone just doing a job.

>>85014542
Honestly I feel the same. Only time I get remotely excited is when a new alien shows up.

>>85014566
Because they ARE amateurs when it comes to doing both? Name one SU storyboarder or SU crew members in general who have worked on something with high tier anime fight scenes or high tier Western fight scenes like Symbiotic Titan? Because I'm certain all they've done is silly CN wacky cartoons.

These aren't the fucking Avatar people and they don't have the budget of those people either.

>>85014721
Both are achieved because the people working on it have the skill to do it. Most don't have that skill.

No one is apologizing. I'm stating how things are and why you should give up on expecting fight scenes like that gif.

So what was Rose Quartz made for?

>>85014765

I'm not an expert or anything, but if I had to guess I'd say it's purely an issue of cost. Their budget seems pretty light. GF had that Disney money and the episodes were twice as long, so I'm sure they spent more time on each one (would explain the constant hiatuses, I suppose). Gumball, who knows? It's all mixed media anyway so it's easier for them to do certain visuals than SU, which is drawn on paper and just has colors and such added digitally.

>>85009169
It's not an action show

>>85009191
Fuck you

>>85014891
To be on the other end of Greg's heart

>>85014873
>No one is apologizing.
>Entire post is about how SU's crew being amateurs is an excuse for why elements are bad

"Being bad" is neither an acceptable response nor a good reason for why the creator didn't hire someone who was good. If anything, your entire post proves the point that American animation fans are trying to constantly justify that we're not as good as everyone else.

>>85014175
what animation software did the artist use it looks too good for flash animation

>>85014542
I just use it for background noise.

That'd be a fair complaint if this was an action show. Which it isn't. Some episodes don't even involve lore/Gems.

It's not a Young Justice/Sym-Bionic Titan type show

>>85014205
"I don't know the key to success but the key to failure is trying to please everyone."
-Bill Cosby

>>85015010
Who cares about the opinions of a rapist?

>>85014891
Impregnation fetishism

>>85013285

>What an amazing fight.

I bet you enjoyed that fence-jumping scene in Taken 3 that had 20 different cuts in three seconds.

(That's only barely hyperbole, BTW.)

>>85014783
>mindnumbingly boring soundtrack

shit taste detected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpooajSm6pU

>>85014969
How is not acceptable? That's the state of affairs. Sugar wasn't looking for top tier fight animators. She was looking for people who could do emotional and "funny" stories. The ability to do a fight scene was a secondary concern since Sugar (who oversees everything) has approved all the mediocre shit without a care. She'll jump in and personally animate Greg giving Pearl an overly animated bear hug, yet give no fucks about the weightlessness of Garnet vs. Jasper. And it makes sense. There really aren't that many fights that would justify a fight animator. Unless you really want more frames and smears when Pearl one shots gem mutants.

SU isn't top tier fight animation and was never will be. It's just not Sugar's focus.

>>85015255
>"funny" stories

Funny? The only way SU can be funny is with there meme faces

>>85015337
>Put quote marks in to acknowledge that Sugar's sense of humor isn't for everyone.
>Still get comment questioning SU's quality of humor.

>>85014783
>Also, there's singing, how would anyone take an "action show" with lots of singing during a fight scene seriously?
I dunno, Symphogear's managed to maintain an entire franchise based on that exact premise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEsDgai9VYk

>>85015485

Symphogear is bad, though.

>>85015251

Sounds like something you'd hear in a free to play clicker game

that means it sounds like shit

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>>85015527
nigga I will fight you

>>85015255
It's weird how in these threads where people discuss the flaws of SU, people pretty much all agree it's wholesomely mediocre. Yet, in any thread comparing it to Gravity Falls, Avatar, Loud House, etc, it's suddenly the funniest, action packed, story telling masterpiece this side of the Pacific.

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>>85009191
LEAVE

>>85015613

Bring it on bitch, I'll hear you coming a mile away.

>>85015628

>thread comparing two popular shows
>not entirely full of shitposters

Are you retarded?

Why shouldn't a show make something look good if they put it in at all? Should action shows have badly written romances and relationships?

>>85015742

They usually do.

>>85015613
Well it is. I mean, you'd think a story about humanity versus extra-dimensional alien invaders wouldn't end with the Whore of Babylon reincarnating into the body of a Japanese woman and then using government resources to build a giant fuck-laser for the explicit purpose of blowing up the moon and breaking the curse of tongues that God placed upon mankind.

And don't even get me started on the woefully inconsistent characterization.

>>85015742
They kind of do though.

And ultimately, the problem isn't that they are doing bad and knowing it. They are doing bad and think it's good or at least acceptable. And as long as Sugar accepts it and the general fandom praises it just for being a fight, nothing will change.

>>85009169
Because a millenial woman made it so its full of pussy aesops that will get you laughed at IRL.

>>85015822

Seems like a pretty big assumption to me.

I thought the one in On the Run was pretty good

>>85015822
Nah they no it's bad. I remember when someone tweeted a staff member about the animation and the staff member got butthurt

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>>85009169
The animation lacks weight and impact. Choreography isn't very good either. I don't think anybody watches SU for the action though.

Why even add fight scenes if it is a slice of life drama romance show? What's the point?

>>85015867
Isn't getting butthurt about negative criticism proof that they DON'T think it's bad? I mean if they knew it, they'd respond with a meh instead of getting defensive.

>>85015897
People did not watch full metal alchemist for the action and other action cartoons like teen titans and the last bender just for the action

>>85015854
We're all assuming. But I think them thinking their work is acceptable is more likely to be true than them knowing it isn't and doing it anyway because???

>>85015909
Because SU is a western magical girl show and even those have to squeeze in a fight scene in all the cute girls doing cute things shit.

>>85015927
People get defensive about things they know are shit. Unrelated, but i find it funny how fans of the show can draw better character designs and animation than people who work on the show

>>85009326
>>85014936
>>85015639

Well, there is just no denying that fight scenes are the fireworks of media. They are fun and entertaining, but utterly pointless waste of time.

>>85013285
>>Characters stand in place with a static camera at a flat angle
>What an amazing fight.
What exactly is a good fight to you? Tons of cuts and dutch angles to mask how poorly the actual choreography was done?

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>want to make a fantasy comic with lots of lore
>naturally there's gonna be fights
>don't know how to make a good fight
how do i learn?

>>85015997
Magical girls show have fights constantly though and don't just squeeze them in because they have too

>>85015967
people watched Korra for the action
people watched DBZ, Bleach, and Naruto for the action

>>85011305
Fights are masculine and outdated, shitlord. They're not supposed to be cool.

What part of feminist brainwashing don't you get? This show is about talking things out, crying, hugging, and being besties, and when that fails, bitter, incompetent hatred.

>>85016003
Again, if they are aware enough to know it's shit, why get get defensive in the first place? It only makes sense when they don't think it's shit or don't think it's as shit as the other party claims.

>>85016003
>Unrelated, but i find it funny how fans of the show can draw better character designs and animation than people who work on the show

Any dumbass that says this is someone that doesn't know a single thing about how the animation industry is. You can even look up works from people who do work on the show and see that what they do looks better simply because it was done on their own time.

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>>85016070

Action is the only reason I watch most anime.

>>85015972

Nobody in these threads seems to understand what schedules are, so the idea of having to accept a less-than-perfect product for reasons beyond your control is unimaginable. From what I've gleaned in interviews and panels they tend to think big, cut a lot of what they plan, and still struggle to produce what we end up getting for episodes like Mr. Greg.

>>85016070
>Thread about good fight scenes
>DBZ

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>85009169
>its another feels garbage episode
why the fuck i watch this crap

>>85016018
Why do people like you only think in extremes? Are you actually autistic and incapable of understanding what a balance is?

>>85016147
Ugh. Don't remind me of the cutting room floor stuff for Mr. Greg.

>Pearl holo projecting her past with Greg from when he first came into her life, to their bitter rivalry over Rose, to their awkward encounters shortly after Rose became Steven.
>The whole It's Over Isn't It sene being more about Pearl not knowing how to feel about Greg instead of Rose salt.
>You will never see this.

>>85016171
not saying DBZ's fights were really that good, but they were the reason why people watched
what DBZ did right however was hyping itself up

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>>85009191

>>85009169
Look, you can't expect good action animation when the Koreans in charge of animation are mediocre animators. It's kinda sad when the animatics done in America have got more appealing movement than the final product from Korea. SU itself isn't a well-animated show in general.

>>85013618
Do you not remember Mr. Fun or whatever Sinbad's character's name is interacting with Peridot? Do you want to see more Gem and human interaction?

>>85016264
Since when are Koreans bad animators?

Is Studio Mir just an exception?

>>85016304
shoe string budget

>>85016304
It would be unfair to call Korean animators bad in general, but a lot of those who work on western cartoons are mediocre.

Mir are pretty good, but I feel their quality isn't as good these days due to their best animator leaving to start up his own studio.

>>85013405
>meme

stopped reading

>>85016016
>utterly pointless waste of time.
They don't have to be, if you open your heart

>>85015628
Because those shows are as bad if not worse. That is the state if animation; we argue which crap tastes best

>>85016297
I want to see more interaction in general, it doesn't even have to be a lot. I really liked the pizza vs fries episode because it was about the humans fighting and then at the end the gems actually showed up for a bit. The fact that it stood out as an episode where they were actually integrated into the plot without being a focus was really nice but also really telling that the series as a whole segregates itself into sections that do nothing but harm it's worldbuilding.

the fact that it has like a 10 minute runtime is no excuse for lazy writing or omitting characters because they're not the focus of an episode. Hell take a cue from the simpsons, you can have a massive cast and have people just in the background or doing something ancillary and it'll feel 100% more like a unified world. Instead we'll just get shit like 'its a lars/sadie episode'. Do they eat at the pizza place? have they been to the fry place? have we ever seen them do shit in beach city like visit the arcade? Do the cool kids get greg to wash their car? Does Lion roam the beach? Just small shit would be nice.

>>85015967
FMA was an action show, they just didn't skimp on the drama

>>85009248
This, kind of.

Also, you could make the argument that it's not solitarily an action show (which it isn't), but, a great majority of the episodes have at least one action scene.

Maybe one competent storyboard artist/director equals 100 nobodies in terms of pay.

Not gonna lie, even the mundane scenes where nothing is happening get janked the fuck up. Character proportions changing like transformers and shit.

But, that's not why people watch the show, and I know that. Just roasting it from an artist's standpoint.

Either CN needs to whip these hipsters, of Rough Draft needs to whip these Koreans...harder than they already do.

>>85015967
God it must hurt to be this autistic.

>>85016389
>Because those shows are as bad if not worse.

Gravity Falls and Avatar are both lightyears ahead of SU in terms of animation quality and story.
And I'm saying that as a fan of Steven Universe.

>>85009248
>>85016617
The show gets 10,000 drawings per episode to work with, that's a decent amount. They just need to cut back on pointless lip-sync and allocate the drawings for fights or select scenes that would benefit from great character animation.

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>>85014828
>tfw at some point I actually wanted her to stay like that even when it would have went against the general themes of the show

oh well

>>85016016
>They are fun and entertaining, but utterly pointless waste of time.

Not if they advance the plot or show character development.

>>85011305
The show is about putting in as much terrible content and SJW propaganda in as possible while still giving the guise of a show. It sucks.

>>85016703
They already do the latter (mainly when Sugar takes on a scene). She just hasn't done it with fight scenes cause she doesn't care about fight scenes.

>>85016703
So basically, just make an anime.

Yeah, I'm down with that.

>>85016618
What?

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>>85015066
Have the opinion of /co/, then.

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>>85016016
>>85009191
>They are boring
>They are fun and entertaining

>>85016794
Kinda wish more western artists/animators knew how to handle dynamic angles and skewed perspectives, ect. Wish there were "how to draw manga books", but, for how to fucking animate like the glorious jap-japs.

I know I'm sucking Japan's dick, but that's because it tastes good.

>>85016894
You rikey to sucky big dick yes

>>85016890
Well i didn't say they were boring that was the first anon, my personal opinion is they are mostly just used as time wasters.

>>85016894
That would take up money

Networks don't like taking up money

>>85014087
>ran out of ideas
I feel like that's being a bit harsh. Since Peridot has become a full CG, we've had 4 main episodes for her. The one where she learns to accept Garnet, the drill episode, the one where she's trying to make Lapis forgive her, and the carnival episode. That's not enough to go "they clearly got nothing for her". Just that they have a few other characters like the main 3 gems, Lapis, and Greg to focus episodes on and maybe Peridot should get some more episodes.

>>85013457
Man fuck that noise. I love this show to death and this is still one of my biggest gripes.
>SoL comedy drama about love and relationships?
Don't do that. SU can be and has been many things and you shouldn't just box it away in one classification. I'm not saying it's "oh my god such an amazing show it defies all classification, it's genre transcending!" but SU is different at different points and takes from different inspirations. Just because character development and relationships are one of the main focuses doesn't mean that fight scene quality needs to be pushed to the very far reaches of "Dont Give a Fuck Gulch" to rot and fester.
>>85014178 is a good point though. We can't really expect it to change because they don't seem intent on not using shitty Korean sweatshop animators so unless it's for really important episodes animation will always be spotty.

>>85016665
I don't understand the praise for GF. It was mediocre beyond it's first few episodes and took a significant downturn after the Ford reveal. The mysteries and "lore" had a poor payoff, the characterizations never grew and even the humor turned hit or miss by season 2 (though admittedly still better than SU's largely shitty humor).

I agree ATLA was better than SU in pretty much every way, even if it was still not spectacular, but Korra shit the bed hard

>>85009248
They cost time, which is in limited supply because there's a weekly schedule. You could spend money to employ more animators, but having too many cooks in the kitchen (for one scene) can cause problems and there's no guarantee that the animators you pay for are good. The storyboard is also important, because if your storyboard isn't good then the scene won't be good either.

>>85014972
>flash can't look good
Kill yourself

>>85016016
t. Faggot who only watched capeshit movies

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>>85017227
And what a stupid opinion it is.

>>85013457
>>85014936
>>85014998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsDcgeu5ik8

That's probably the only fight scene in the entire series, which is just a gag comedy. Even if your series doesn't normally include fighting, it doesn't mean you should half-ass the fight scenes. I know SU's production has limitations/issues but the point is that "this isn't an action show" isn't a good reason.

>>85016703
10,000 divided by 60 seconds is 166.6. That divided by 10 minutes is 16.6. So they are able to have 16.6 frames of animation per second, if they really do have time for 10,000 frames per episode. That's more than a decent amount.

Symphogear>that one scene where that one character fights that one other character while singing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uGtgZTDO6U

>>85016037
Look at a lot of fights and pick out what seems good. For a comic fight scene you should probably focus on continuity, framing and unique/interesting ways to symbolize movement.

>>85009169
Several reasons. None of the boarders, to my knowledge, have worked on action shows. The way it is animated and choreographed the characters feel floaty and like they don't have any weight. The sound design also isn't very good and further adds to the weightlessness of the blows.

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>>85009169
Because american animation is just pure shit in general.Prove me wrong

Protip:you can't

>>85018576
>That's probably the only fight scene in the entire series, which is just a gag comedy
It shows, considering how shaky the camera acts. Fucking fatass weeaboos.

>>85019172
That's why we watch movies.

>>85019201
It's shot, animated and choreographed well. What's the problem?

>Fucking fatass weeaboos.
Japanese people can't be wannabe Japanese and there isn't much obesity in Japan.

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>>85014476
crafting a story is the writers job. If they wanted a good fight scene, the writers can make sure to give them time for a fight scene.

>>85018576
Too shaky. When it's shaky, it makes it harder for viewers to understand what's going on in the scene, and makes the action look not as impactful as it can be.

>>85019262
It's not too shaky and it's perfectly clear what happens in the scene. The very reason why there's some shakiness to the camera is to make it more impactful.

Are you just reciting some meme?

>>85019262

You guys can't just admit that even a comic book has a better animation than your show ...

>>85019172

>>85019276
No, I'm just giving honest opinions. Shakyness in general is bad in action scenes. There's time to move and time to pause.

For example, when the grill countered with an arm bar, I would have paused a frame or two when she landed on her feet in response to the arm throw, so their can be more emphasis on her jump and the counter.

>>85019316
I don't like SU. I think it sucks ass and shows how low the bars are set

>>85019328
>For example, when the grill countered with an arm bar, I would have paused a frame or two when she landed on her feet in response to the arm throw
There already is a brief pause, and if she had fully stopped she would have lost the necessary energy to spring back up and possibly missed her chance altogether. This doesn't even have anything to do with the camera shake.

>>85009169
Because you are watching a shit show. Stop watching a shit show, for fuck's sake its not even a well drawn show.

>>85019382
If everyone here agrees to say that it's a shit show, can someone remind me why it's popular again ?

>>85009169
>Expecting a show made by women for women to have good action

>>85016882
Who cares about the opinions of rapists?

>>85019387
A lot of things are popular that don't deserve it, people are fucking stupid.
FOr fuck's sake people bought tickets for TFA, if there's anything tha tproves the modern human is a braindead moron that is in danger of accidentally drowning itself if caught out in the rain because it looks up, jaw agape at the sky, its the fact the collective human consciousness didn't just tell JJ to go fuck himself.

>>85019456
Who cares about the opinions of retards, retard?
Apparently a lot of people considering the public is still allowed to vote despite repeatedly proven to be awful at picking anything.

>>85009169
the show does nothing right

just like the loud house the only reason it has a following here is because it has multiple waifus

now go back to watching a fat gay kid cry about his feelings

>>85019520
>He says on a site that practically cries bitch tears the second someone doesn't agree to their opinions harshly enough.

>>85019520
Hey, Loud House is alright.

>>85019538
SU is one of the reason comblr has become more bmlr since it bring in fags from there

>>85016448
This. It doesn't make sense that such a small town is so isolated.

>>85019578
this site massively overestimates how hardedge it is, it goes from cocky to literally shaking in a heart beat.

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>>85019538

4chan has gotten really sensitive in the past few years. It used to be that nobody really gave much of a fuck, now someone cries like a bitch if someone posts a show/game/whatever they don't like. Now it feels like you have to walk around a minefield every time you post a reaction image, because someone might complain if you post a reaction image from something they don't like.

>>85019421
The Magic Knight Rayearth manga was made by women and was targeted at girls. The anime was written by a woman.

https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/12946/
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/20714/
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/20718/
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/20717/

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This is a story about love, not violence

>>85019520
It doesn't have any waifus in it. No animated series anywhere has waifus in it.

>>85019601
>reading feminist fantasy garbage
Go away and piss off to tumblr

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>>85018576
>>85018685

Anyone want to post fight scenes from shows that don't look like they have 10x the budget of SU?

>>85019601
>comparing superior eastern japanimation that is folded over 1000 times to landwhale gaijin cartoons

>>85009191
I wonder what anon finds exciting, explosions and sex scenes?

>>85019616
they actually have a smaller budget

>>85019616
>Weekly anime
>budget
Look a the SUfaggot
Look at him and laugh

>>85019614
Feminism doesn't have much popularity in Japan.

>>85019616
The total budget for American shows is much higher, sometimes an order of magnitude higher. How much of that is shown on the screen is another story. Also, Rayearth was made in the early/mid 90s so it was cel animation which is way more time-consuming than modern digital and networked production.

>>85019644
It had 49 episodes so it wasn't a "weekly" show like, say, One Piece.

>>85019666
It's the principle of the matter, I understand your generation doesn't understand that.
What being massive faggot jellyfish and all

>>85012883
This was a very disappointing fight.

>>85019616
I remember when they showed the budget of Powerpuff Girls to a Japanese animation director and he said
>This is the budget and the animation still looks like that? How come?

>>85019635
Both? Very nice.

>>85019644
Yes animes have budgets too. And time constrants, labor laws, whole plethora of factors that could explain why SU looks like shit and the other doesn't. Just look at Dragon Ball Super compared to Z.

Why do you think these countries export their shit out in the first place?

>>85019666
Makes sense.

>>85019692
>, whole plethora of factors that could explain why SU looks like shit and the other doesn't
Except here's the real reason
Americans are filthy lazy bastards

>>85019682
What "principle of the matter"? And what do you think my generation is?

>>85019712
It it was made by women, and therefore shit and beneath a man giving it the time of day.

>>85019684
>This was a very disappointing fight.
For you maybe, for many people it was extremely exciting.

>>85019721
Why?

>>85009169
Fight scenes in cartoons where no one dies are pointless and boring.

>>85019710
couldn't be because SU is a shit show.
Nah, not all.
Definitely couldn't be a shit show with fans akin to bronies.

>>85019735
You see you just answered why I think I know what generation you're from
Because anyone from mine would've known why without even asking.

>>85009191
DELET THIS

>>85019754
What generation do you think I'm from? And why aren't you able to answer the question?

>>85019749
Deflect all you want, doesn't change the fact you Americans are lazy and have poor bodily and dental hygiene.
And breeding
healthcare
discipline.
intelligence
etc etc

>>85019749
>akin to bronies.
did bronies ever try to kill a fanartist?

>>85019692
>Yes animes have budgets too. And time constrants, labor laws, whole plethora of factors
lol no
>>>/a/144946292
japanese animators make slave tier wages

even then SU uses south korean animation studious who have even worse wages to do the animating

>>85019760
The modern, stupid one that thought tumblr was a good idea and spam memes while thinking they're clever
And likely a feminist.
ANd probably enjoyed TFA

>>85019779
>japanese animators make slave tier wages
Because its about the passion
A foreign concept to you I know.

>>85019786
You can't eat passion

>>85019780
Where did I say anything about Tumblr? Where did I spam any memes? Where did I indicate I'm a feminist? Where did I say anything about TFA?

>>85019811
Words of a filthy casual a 'man' without passion. I suspect you are a woman.

>>85019817
The fact you suggested work made by a woman is all the proof I need

>>85019846
How does it prove any of those things?

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>>85019456
>>85019509
>Who cares about the opinions of retards, retard?

>>85019882
Also, do you realize that I was responding to someone who specifically said that anything made by and for women can't be good?

>>85019882
One leads to another.

>>85019929
Explain.

>>85019942
I won't waste my time further with a tumblrite, go away and piss off to your safe space.

>>85019962
Where have I indicated in any way that I'm affiliated with Tumblr?

>>85013285
>Characters stand in place with a static camera at a flat angle
Yeah that's how good action scenes are directed, sorry all you watch is anime with shit digital shakey cam to fake tension.

>>85020048
Shaky cam be used well or poorly, just because it became a meme in cinema and was misused doesn't mean it's inherently a bad technique. It's also particularly useful in animation.

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>>85009169
Do you even watch the show faggot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0lZstK8ycE

>>85009169

because it wasn't directed by Gendy

>>85015897
This. I've been watching SU since season 1. And I always enjoyed it. When it was slice of life, action or a comedy. But sadly, there is people who do watch the show for action and lore.

>>85009169
>>85009191
I'm pretty sure this is legit autism going on here, not even memeing.
You faggots should just go to /tv/ and ask for a good daytime soap if you are too sensitive gor fight scenes.

>>85014891
> sexual
> professional blunt roller
I really just can't get over these little speeches about human life is so precious man, so cool letting that baby chill on a ferris wheel he's in charge of his own destiny lmao

Can a drawfag give me a Rose smoking a blunt, please?

>>85021034
The fuck is wrong with liking a show for the lore?

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>>85021132
When half of the show isn't lore.

>>85021132
"Lore" is such an overrated thing.

I want /a/ to leave.

>>85021132
There is no lore, there's just a lot of backstory that no one is ever going to explain.

>>85016016
Why are there so many faggots on /co/?

>>85014777
nice argument idiot

>>85020048
>SUfags are actually this delusional
Do you also like car chases where they chase each other in circles on golf carts?

>>85009169
Okay, I have to ask, because I don't watch this show.

Is this comedic crying, like Steven's favorite show was cancelled or his favorite underwear shrank in the wash, or is it actual dramatic crying?

Why is it I make a thread about how SU's songs suck and it gets deleted 4 replies in but this thread gets to stay up?

What the fuck, mods.

>>85022548
Dramatic. It's from an episode that autistically attempts to create forced drama by dealing with the aftermath of a season finale. The show's that bad.

>>85022709
But, his eyes... and the snot dripping from his nose...

That's only for funny crying. Seriously, Sugar?

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Shitposting aside, it's because they don't have storyboard artists. Pic related is an Ed, Edd, and Eddy storyboard. This (http://i.imgur.com/Pytrukw.png) is a Steven Universe storyboard.

A series like Dexter's Lab, which doesn't have much action or kinetic comedy, can get away with having the writers and storyboarders be the same position without suffering. For a cartoon with actual action sequences, a dedicated storyboard artist makes a world of difference. Detailed storyboards are important for telling the animation studio how they should animate. If the storyboard artist isn't good at it (because they were hired for sequential storytelling ability rather than their ability to make good storyboards), the animation will noticeably suffer.

>>85022848
>SU doesn't have storyboard artists
>Raven works on SU who did that same fucking EEnE board
>Comparing first episode SU with fourth season EEnE

Come on. I mean you're not wrong about an artist who specializes will make a world of difference, but you aren't doing a good job defending your case.

>>85022848
People who are used to making cartoon-style animation probably have a lot of trouble making anything else. Making a dynamic action sequence requires you to visualize and draw in terms of cinema, not cartoons. But then you also need good animators who are invested in what they're doing and are able and allowed to work autonomously. When I look at the Stronger Than You scene for example, the basic structure seems fine but the execution is shit. Were the Koreans just following step-by-step storyboards or were they not able and/or did not care to make it better?

>>85022767
He's a young boy who thought he was never going to be able to see his friend again. Kids aren't exactly known for crying gracefully

>>85020048
One Punch Man which has a lower budget than SU

>>85021132
SU is a slice of life. When a flood of dumb faggots came into the fandom they started screaming "filler" like this is an anime.

>>85024600
That's largely because nobody but the VAs are actually getting paid.

>>85021316
>>85021763
I want /co/ to leave

>>85021132
You can like a show for lore, but when the lore is shit, you seriously have to explain why.

>>85024646
Everyone gets paid. It's not a volunteer activity.

>>85023579
It's not the Koreans job to do something the Americans need to lay out.

>>85024702
That's precisely their job and what they're paid to do.

>>85009191
No they're not, fight scenes should have a purpose, they should be about growth, they need an objective and clear reason why it's happening and what's at stake.
Just because Holywood makes shit fight scenes, where the hero fights nameless grunts designed solely for style over substance and to eat up time does not mean they are inherently boring.

>>85024793
No it's not. They do the inbetweens be the actual ANIMATORS lay out the scenes. Anime ships to Korea too.

>>85019456
Are you serious? Does truth stop being truth because you don't like who said it?
I hope you are just shitposting and not actually that irrational.

>>85024834
>They do the inbetweens be the actual ANIMATORS lay out the scenes.
Coherent English, please.

>Anime ships to Korea too.
What does that have to do with this?

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>>85009191

>>85024646
How is that any different from Western cartoons? I can't imagine CN paying those Korean animators very well. Meanwhile Estelle can get a fat-ass check.

>>85025934
The Koreans always get fucked but there is also the pay disparity between the local in house workers.

>>85021132
nothing

>>85014918
If it's a budget issue, that just brings back the question of why the fuck do they waste their money on celebrity guest stars?

>>85028215
Celebs bring attention and thus in theory views and ad revenue

>>85014972
I mean, you can get the same result using any program,really. This could very well have been animated in flash.

>>85024701
might as well be seeing as how animators tend to be paid shit, just about everywhere.

I don't know how france pays their animators.

>>85024874
>They do the inbetweens but the actual ANIMATORS layout the scenes.
Not that guy but god damn you're fucking stupid.

>>85014542
me neither. I guess I just want to see where it goes,since it seems like things are happening. I dont even try to watch the episodes I missed either, I just watch the new episodes and piece together whats happening.

>>85029411
I'm stupid because I couldn't decode someone's garbled drunkposting? Yeah ok. Thank you for this valuable contribution to the thread.

>>85029484
The only typo there was the 'but' and inbetweens is a common word in animation. You'd think that for such an uptight faggot in /co/, you'd know that basic word. But hey. Good to know how dumb you are.

>>85029542
On a scale of 1 to 10, how buttblasted are you right now?

>>85024874
>>85029484

You need to not talk in this thread, regardless of whether the other guy was right or wrong about Koreans only doing the tweening.

>>85029609
I can talk in whatever thread I want to and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>85021132
Caring about lore only works when you're ingesting a piece of media that's so well put together and interesting that ANY information no matter how small is something you're happy to know about for world building.

SU sure as fuck doesn't have that and the same people screaming DEEPEST LORE are basically snapping at scraps that even the show itself doesn't care about.

SU spent an entire season fighting corrupted gems. Does the show honestly truly give a fuck about the corrupted gems? Fuck no it doesn't it's just withholding information that will ultimately be brushed aside (um idk the gems got corrupted when the big gem dues ex machine blew up Steven) but we still had people actually typing out like they were having a heart attack when Pearl said "actually we're always fighting gems". Shit just unnaturally flows out of exposition valley and people cream themselves to know either A) the most pointless information or B) information that should have been told a long time ago and it's inclusion now feels unnatural and wrong.

You can like "lore" all you want but hanging onto a show because you're dying to know the DEEP LORE is stupid because usually DEEP LORE just means "backstory we didn't tell you until know because ???" as if will ever play a fucking role in the story itself.

>>85029713
If you master the lore you can make a totally sweet wikia for the show.

>>85012793
And that's where the show is wrong.

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So what's the purpose of this show?

The action is bad
The humor is garbage and tumblr-comic tier
The lore is just basic stuff
The drama is poorly handled
The waifus are almost all uggos

What else is left? The BGM?

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>>85013457

>that feeling when Japanese Slice of of Life animes can do cool action scenes but American Slice of Life cartoons can't.

Christ, Sugar, just learn how to animate impacts, it isn't rocket science. That's 90% of what makes an action scene "stick".

>>85024874
Retard

>>85019234
SU doesnt have writers. It has Sugar and the storyboarders coming up with plots.

>>85029564
MUH BUZZWORDS. LOOK AT ME MOM.

>>85034594
Looks like a 10.

tbqh I wish this show had no fake swordfighting where the weapons don't do anything. I'd rather have intergalactic gem drama.

>>85034561
But it does. Ben Levin and Matt Burnett. The storyboarders write the dialogue.

SU is actually good.

Tumblr is also good.

>>85034919
All Matt and Ben do is make a basic outline for an episode. The storyboarders fill in the rest and are given alot of freedom with interpreting those scripts.. Sometimes, the storyboarders can make their own episodes. SU is a Storyboard driven show compared to say Gravity Falls which is a script driven show with the script writers actually having their foot down on how episodes go instead of just giving pointers to the storyboarders.

>>85035214
SU isn't great, but it's not hellspawn like /col/ would imply. And Tumblr while known for its SJW teen population is mostly dominated by porn reposts.

>>85035292
The old gif size limit really rustles my jimmies any time I try to look up porn on there though

new zone pictures where?

>>85009191
Jasper vs. Garnet had as much actual fighting as Cell vs. Gohan