Other villains being scared of The Joker is the stupidest fucking

Why not?

>>85008614
not as stupid as other villains teaming up with Joker

>>85008614
The problem is that they always try to make the Joker the most dangerous guy in the room. In reality, he should be the most unpredictable guy in the room.

Most villains have no reason to be afraid of him as a person, but it makes sense if they're nervous that he might try and pull some psychotic stunt.

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>>85009701
>Joker the most dangerous guy in the room. In reality, he should be the most unpredictable guy in the room.
depending on who you talk to these can be the same thing

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>>85009701
It depends on the Joker.
Joker that isn't played down to Earth SHOULD be scary.
Yeah his he's not a physical threat in his basic form but he manages to get his fingers on tons of stupid shit. So he's unpredictable, you don't know what he's bringing to the table. Maybe he just has a couple of canisters of laughing gas, maybe he has a experimental supersteroid that he's going to dope him and his henchmen with, maybe he's hiding the most powerful psychic in a box in the backroom.

>>85008614
that'd be anyone who chooses to work for The Joker

Why don't the villains just shoot the Joker repeatedly?

It makes perfect sense, even villains like Freeze, Penguin, Scarecrow and Bane have self preservation instincts. They'll fight to live and they won't create schemes that are more dangerous to them that to the rest.
The Joker doesn't have that, he doesn't give a fuck if he dies, it'd only make the joke funnier to him. That's reason to be afraid, not necessarily afraid of fighting him, just afraid of sharing the same space.

>>85012295
Why would they want to? It's not like the Joker steps on anyone's toes. He's not out to acquire any turf or muscle in on anyone's business because he wants money and power. His entire thing is fucking with Batman, which can really only benefits other criminals in Gotham. He's too much of a wild card for A-list like Lex to bother with. The guys that work for him are generally bottom barrel psychotics when it comes to mooks. The best thing to do is literally just let Joker do his thing until the insanity passes and the body count is tallied. Anything else isn't worth the effort.

>>85012295
honestly, killing the joker is a bad idea.
not just from a marketing and storytelling standpoint of eliminating this iconic nemesis.
We have a universe with a confirmed afterlife and literal demons and shit. Remember when that green lantern jackass became the embodiment of god's wrath?

You kill the joker, you run a real risk of him becoming a clown-themed Saint-of-Killers. which is a terrible idea.

>>85008614
Unless I was in a room that also featured Mephisto or Chemo or some shit that kills me on contact, the Joker is the guy I'd be most scared of.

Has any villain outside of some nobody ever been scared of Joker.

>>85008614
Stupidest thing is why the Joker would have henchmen. If i were a career criminal in Gotham, i would fucking move, but if i couldn't i could see henching for The Penguin. Maybe Two face. But the fucking Joker? One would have to not give a fuck about their well being

He just keeps coming back whenever he disaperes that alone is enough to make him terrifying.

>>85014236
There are millions of suckers who join the Army, I figure it's not hard to find a few thousand suckers who are also criminals to join the Joker

>>85014341

Yeah, this is true. Everytime the Joker seemingly dies, he always comes back. To a villain, they probably think that after seemingly killing the Joker, he'd still eventually come back for revenge.

Then there's also the fact that the Joker doesn't play by literally anyone's rules. He's more like a force of nature that just does what he wants. He usually plays no sides, and will only work with other villains if it benefits him. No one wants to be around something that's highly capricious and is chaotic. Imagine being Parasite and ticking off the Joker, and one day, he decides to go into Metropolis and fuck with him by overloading him with some sort of rare energy. That's why even supervillains are cautious with him. He can somehow get super rare shit that'd cost a fortune to get, and possibly fuck around with them with that shit.

>>85014341
>He just keeps coming back
Well that's because there is three of him, duh.

>>85012875
Demonic Joker?! What are you saying?This sounds like an awesome idea!

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>>85008614
>Other villains being scared of The Joker is the stupidest fucking thing in all of comics.
> the stupidest fucking thing in all of comics

OP, do you even read comics?

>>85008614
It's not the coldblooded killer part that scares them, it's that insanity part: piss him off and that death will come with a side of tortures that are unimaginable to a sane mind.

>>85012775
During Endgame or something it's implied Penguin has lost millions because of Joker plans' aftermaths.
Any of the mobster villains should have killed him already, he's absolutely detrimental to their power. Superhumans and other Arkham residents can ignore/fear him but there really isn't any reason Black Mask or White Shark havent cut him to pieces.

>>85008614
No matter how retarded is why Batman has not killed the Joker,it's even more retarded why has nobody else killed him

>>85018703
He was in the process of strangling him to death and that faggot Gordon put a gun to his head and told him to stop.

>>85018751
Obviously he wanted him to rape joker not kill him

Are villains afraid of Carnage?

>>85015670
Army has the whole "join us and we'll make you an action movie hero" thing movies perpetuate.

How do you make someone join the Joker? I mean, I can see stupid mallgoth kids trying to join Joker's gang, but I can't see them being effective or intimidating enough to be a gang.

>>85018815
Probably. He is just a serial killer with a very powerful symbiote, thats pretty fucking scary.

>>85015670
Whoa, that's some sweet edges you got there, kiddo.

>>85014236
He writes glowing recommendations.

In honesty, working for the Joker probably shows that you are willing to follow any order and are a-ok with spending half your life in abject danger.

>>85017596
Its been done.

>>85008614
You mean in the DC world or just Gotham? Because in the world people just think that he is fucked up, but not everyone see him as a threat.

Now, Joker can basically affect any person on Gotham. He is the one who knows how to synthesize and mutate joker venom and has eyes all over town. He can blackmail anyone, it's impossible to discover where he is hiding and he can infiltrated anyplace.

The two most dangerous things about the Joker is that nobody knows anything about him and he knows everything about everything

>>85012775
>Joker never steped on other villains toes

/co/ really read comics guys!

>>85017670
>juri
Anon, do you even know what good taste is?

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>>85008614
The Joker himself is the stupidest fucking thing in all of comics.

>>85020555
>That out of nowhere reference

We get it Luthor, you are smart, you see Operas

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I'm of a mind that, basically, nobody fucks with anyone from Gotham if they can help it.

That in dealing with Batman, the surviving super villains have become these almost unassailable juggernauts.

... Like the Flash Rogues only way less cheerful.

>>85020582
Hey man maybe he just watched Seinfeld, you don't know.

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>>85014236
Seeing as he doesn't give a shit about the moolah, you probably get mad pay, while penguin and two face take their cuts and leave you with only pocket change

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>>85020585
>Riddler with casual question mark paints

>>85018817
Because Gotham is a shit place to live, has a huge unemployment rate and massive amounts of corruption. Batman took down all the sane crime families so now if you want some cash on the street you either help one of the crazies or you go hungry.

It's not hard to figure out.

Nobody on the Legion of Doom is afraid of him they just don't like his brand of crazy. Only nobodies and sidekicks are really afraid of him.

>>85020597
Wow what an edgelord.

>>85020561

Joker is one of those character where sometimes all you need to see is a single panel to know that the writer should not be allowed to write the Joker.

>>85020849
Why, because he doesn't cut off his face and doesn't go into speeches about anarchy?

>>85020597

I would say this is the most retarded edgelord shit ever but Jason Aaron did the exact same scene with the Kingpin except he threw in showing the guy photos of homeless people and crackheads gangraping his wife so I guess Aaron wins.

>>85020901

No because he's not funny.

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>>85008614
>taking comics this serious

>>85019856
When? And how?

>>85020541
Right above you are two perfect examples of why your wrong. So go fuck yourself.

>>85021708
I like Joker, but DotF is really not a good example for a good Joker.

>>85019077
>army dumbass detected

>>85008614
>Villains are scared of The Joker
>The Joker is scared of the Internal Revenue Service

Does that make the IRS an even worse villain than The Joker?

>>85008614
Honest question, but why did they make the Joker gay for Batman?

>>85022132
Because they couldn't get away with it with all the Robins

>>85019853
do criminals present a crime CV when looking for jobs?

>just earned my Bachelor's in Henching
>head to henching capital of the world
>even with high turnover no one's hiring
>finally fixer gets me interview with a new up and coming villain
>turns out it's just the Joker with Groucho glasses on
>pay is sporadic
>survive a two whole fiscal quarters running with Joker
>trick is to watch Miss Harley to know when you should laugh at Joker's "jokes"
>eventually take a batarang to the head
>wake up in hospital with a scar on my temple
>find out Joker led Batman WWI biplane chase through Gotham
>cops showed up to a warehouse with unconscious men
>none of Joker's goons talk and neither do I
>Batman doesn't make a statement to police within 24 hours
>no charges filed and released
>Harley's in Arkham with Joker's M.I.A.
>update fixer and start buying rice in bulk
>phone call from fixer by end of day
>three offers from Penguin, Two-Face, and even Mr. Freeze
>apparently henching for the Joker is a rite of passage
>culls those who can't cut it in Gotham
>high chance of running into Batman to break your "bat cherry"
>other villains put up with Joker for steady supply of quality henchmen
>go with Penguin for the steady paycheck
>even get an advance in pay to get a fitted suit
>mostly chill at the Iceberg Lounge
>life is good

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>>85022434
>>turns out it's just the Joker with Groucho glasses on

>>85022434
This seems accurate

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>>85022434
keks, well done

>>85009701
Makes the Trickster afraid of him in Underworld Unleashed made a lot of sense, at least, as he would be afraid of him. Who else has canonically been shown to afraid of the Joker (sure as Hell not Lex, that's for sure)?

>>85020930
Isn't the Joker supposed to be unfunny about half the time? He thinks he's funny. But he's not always right about that. I'm pretty sure half of his jokes and antics are supposed to be lame from a comedy standpoint.

>>85017670
No one reads comics.

>>85009701
The problem with this is that a lot of villains' solution to an unpredictable guy who could betray them at any minute would be to just kill him.

>>85014236
He's crazy and super manipulative. All of his henchmen probably had a similar experience to Harley, just without the abusive romance angle. That and he picks up mostly mentally ill people who are already easy to lead around.

>>85020613
Everything about Detective Riddler was god tier

>>85022216
A truly ambitious henchmen has his cover letter ready at all times.

>>85022434
>>turns out it's just the Joker with Groucho glasses on
Is that you Dini?

>>85012875
Isn't the Joker's new origin that he's a murdering spirit?

>>85018815

Nah, a better example from Marvel would be pre-cloning Red Skull, someone who is utterly vile, nihlist, and devoid of any moral values that it's impossible to team up with him unless he suckers you into following him under the whole nazi/fascist thing (meanwhile other nazi and fascist villains wanted nothing to do with him).

>>85024732

This reminds me of that early Judge Dredd comic where bank robbers used a face-changing machine to turn into the Marx brothers.

>>85009701
It's not fear; it's Respect. They know they can't underestimate him.

>>85008614
People are afraid of the joker because hes completely unpredictable, and will 100% use people you love to try and get to you. If you have any living relatives, close friends, love interests, anyone at all that you even remotely care about, then you should fear what the joker will do to them. You can't watch them 24/7, he will create some kind of distraction, he will use smoke and mirrors to confuse you, and he will get to them to get to you, you simply can't protect them from him, and that can be terrifying.

>>85010115
Remember when one of Marvel's hack writers up and stole this joke in the most cringe-worthy way using Wolverine as the wildcard.

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I actually really like it when Gotham villains interact with each other. Joker especially--I really don't care for him as a lone character, but he's so damn good for bouncing off of everyone else.

>>85018667
Which begs the question why dont the villains help batman or someone else to take out the joker? There are plenty of villains that hate joker more than batman, why dont they take him down together?

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>>85031060
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>>85018751
God Hush was so bad.
>Joker kills Robin
>Put him in Arkham
>Joker cripples Batgirl
>Have a laugh and put him in Arkham
>Joker kills guy I just met for the first time in 20 years
>Try to strangle him

>>85022434
Kek

>>85008614
I don't see the issue.

Problem is Joker is unreliable so you don't want him involved in your plan but if you don't invite Joker to the meeting and it's big enough for him to catch wind of, he'll be offended enough to try to kill you and fuck up your plan for not including him. To be honest it's a wonder why no villains haven't tried to outright off him.

>>85009701
I always thought the Joker should be smart and have contingents at near Batman levels. He should be able to create and engineer any tool Batman does albeit at a shoe string budget and he knows how to manipulate people or use their strengths against them. In that way other super criminals fear him the same way that other super heros respect Batman.

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Which villains are afraid of Joker?

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>>85008614
Reminder

>>85017812
>it's that insanity part: piss him off and that death will come with a side of tortures that are unimaginable to a sane mind

This is literally the dumbest thing ever. His only power is being an edgelord? What makes him more scary than some insane Asylum lunatic serial killer, the hype around Joker is ridiculous.

>>85008614
Just like how Batman can over come anything even though he has no superpowers because he's a symbol for the human spirit joker is a symbol for the bad side of humanity.

So basically they get bonus points for being humans. People like seeing "ordinary" humans overcoming impossible odds/defeating godlike characters.

>>85012295
The same reason cops or other thugs don't.
To keep DC selling sales of Joker stories still.

>>85034997
Why does he wear the mask?

>>85030893
The joker isn't the fucking boogeyman. He's a random asshole with psychopathic tendencies. You have as much to be scared of from him as you do some random thug on the street or random mass murderer or shooter.

>>85029477
That was a hoax he was pulling via Photoshop and a Lazarus Pit.

>>85035646
>He's a random asshole with psychopathic tendencies.
No? Since is first appearance, his unpredictability was as much a function of out-thinking his opponents as his insanity. His best tricks are all about playing with a person's expectations: playing a "joke" on them by making them think one thing, and then pulling the rug out from under them.

>>85021708
No? Those pages were completely retarded.
>hurr durr I'm going to let a gibbering maniac go onto an edgy livejournal rant about morality for several minutes so he can seem like such a cool edgelord and prove me wrong, woe is justice good and evil are relative ablooabloo
>Instead of just shooting him immediately because he's a fucking lunatic and fuck this shit
If the only way you can make a character seem intimating is by making other characters suddenly pussified and suspend any reality you've lost to the character.

>>85035794
Joker isn't some genius master-mind kukuku master, quit it.

>>85020436
What would happen if the Joker were transported to Marvel-verse? How far would he get?

>>85035958
>maybe if I use memes, it will invalidate his argument!
No dude, you're just wrong. 90% of Joker's threat comes from his mental skill rather than physical. That's pretty consistent.

>>85008614

No, it's the correct way to feel about him. Same thing with Two-Face, I would never want to hench for him because every time he sees you there would be a 50% chance of him murdering you.

>>85036101
>0% of Joker's threat comes from his mental skill rather than physical. That's pretty consistent.
Mental skill my ass. The Joker survives 100% on pure fucking bullshit because the writers need him to survive for more stories. His plans never make sense unless people magically go retarded around him and something magically doesn't work so he comes out ahead.

Take
>>85020509
>>85020515
Have we ever gotten a reason why the Joker has superpowers explicitly stating how he's immune to poisons and nerve gas and toxic shit? No of course not. But it just works.

Are we ever given a reason why he's immune to bullets and impervious to damage and basically immortal? No, it just works.

It's like the Purge, something that only exists for edglords to jack off over but is retarded when you take more than 3 seconds to think about it.

>>85036247

>Have we ever gotten a reason why the Joker has superpowers explicitly stating how he's immune to poisons and nerve gas and toxic shit?

Are you autistic? He wasn't incapacitated by Scarecrow's fear toxin because he's crazy and just reacts to fear by finding it amusing.

>>85036247
I'm reminded of the time he had to fight Cassie Cain and there was something pulled out of the author that "Oooh he's just SO crazy and insane she cannot even read his moves and the world's strongest martial artists cannot physically defeat or overpower the Joker."

>>85036247
>Are we ever given a reason why he's immune to bullets and impervious to damage and basically immortal? No, it just works.
What just works? You mean stupid Snyder Batman? I'm not even talking about that book. Every character has bad writers that don't know how to make a character work.So if that's all you've ever read or seen with the Joker, I can understand now why you would think he's just a stupid thug with plot armor, but then, that's because your primary impression comes from modern DC comics, and if that's what you're reading, I feel sorry for you.

>>85036413
>He wasn't incapacitated by Scarecrow's fear toxin because he's crazy
>Because he's crazy
>Because he's crazy
Literally the most autistic thing I've ever heard.
Why are even bothering to fund money into stem cell research, or immunities to infectious diseases? It'd be so much cheaper if we just found inmates that were just such incredibly crazies poison and nerve gas doesn't work on them and make a vaccine from their crazy-blood.

>>85036468
Well yeah.
I think as a super serious "Realistic" take on the Joker he's absolutely nonsensical as a threat to have around, in a world with metahumans and gun-crazy cops and doesn't make a lick of sense for him to be alive.

This problem doesn't present itself in say the Golden or Silver age because he's just that, a clown. A funny supervillain meant to amuse and it's okay that he somehow survives, in the same way Wile E. Coyote does.

But putting Joker in a serious or realistic setting (Modern comics) removes any ability to take him seriously. It's telling that they had to make him immortal because they knew if he was just a normie in stats it'd never work.

>>85036509

It's specifically a psychoactive effect he wasn't incapacitated by. You're trying to make that sound weird by conflating it with him not being affected by a poison like cyanide or something instead. These are two different topics.

>>85036590
>This problem doesn't present itself in say the Golden or Silver age because he's just that, a clown. A funny supervillain meant to amuse
You haven't read Golden Age Batman then.

>>85030978
No, elaborate?

>>85036593
He's also immune to Joker Venom, and most other poisons, deadly chemicals, and nerve gases if I'm not mistaken.

>>85036620
I don't care if he kills people in Golden Age or acts villainous but the tone sets it so you're not questioning why he gets away with it or why he hasn't been shot by the police like a random nigger in a white trash community.

Take out that cartoony, comic aspect and you're leaving the biggest plot hole of all to carry the story with the Joker in it.

>>85036082
He'd get bored without Batman

>>85036706

Two different topics. I'm talking about the Scarecrow fear toxin comic that was posted.

>>85036770
This all started because I responded to someone saying that
>>85035646
He's the equivalent of some random mass murderer or shooter, so he shouldn't be able to be a real threat. if we're talking about him just standing in front of a Supervillain with no defenses, you'd be right, but what i'm saying is that the well written versions of the joker from various comics, and TV shows, and movies, and not Batman comics from the past several years, have the Joker either not get into those stupid situations, or he has some contingency to prevent him dying, like a heart monitor hooked up to a bomb, or something similar. Relying not on some kind of magical insanity-powers, or "unpredictable combat, but good old fashioned planning and playing "pranks" on his enemies, by making them follow one fake lead rather than the real one.

>>85030978
Are you sure you're not thinking of that Civil War parody book?

>>85037120
He is. He's gotten a random screencap of a Nuzlocke parody comic confused with an actual comic.

>>85036706
Yes and Daredevil can see out of his ears because chemicals and Hulk can be Hulk because radiation and Superman is a fucking alien, what's your point? The guy has powers, really really low level powers but he's always a better than average fighter who is immune to poison because "mystery origin story"

>>85037052
This.
Yes, in that case I can see the Joker as a threat. When he's depicted as a horrifying serial killer whose power is being a strategist, a mastermind in murder and deception and so on. Dexter, Hannibal Lecture, that sort of thing.

The problem is most Modern comics don't go that route and just give him magical satan powers or some shit because they cannot be expected to explain why a guy with no powers should be able to survive against other supers and a trigger-happy gun-crazy city without getting shot on the street.

>>85036247
>Have we ever gotten a reason why the Joker has superpowers explicitly stating how he's immune to poisons and nerve gas and toxic shit? No of course not. But it just works.
I thought it was because he's built up an immunity, like snake venom.

>>85037185
They all have origins and backstories!
The Joker isn't give really, uh well given any origin or explanation for his powers and super-intelligence. He just kinda, is.
>"mystery origin story"
This ends up being a cop out for when writers need to give him new handicaps.
>"Oh nice try batman, ohohoho boy you thought you could stop me by strapping me to a nuclear bomb and launching me into space? Little did you know I was bitten by a radioactive cockroach as a boy and carry a parachute compartment hidden in my as! Ohohohohoo!"

>>85037320
Nah, his blood is pretty much poison. Batman is the one that build up immunity.

The joker doesnt register pain, is in constant adrenaline rush, it's inmune to most toxins, and heals really fast, he also has inmunity to low tier mental attacks and can't be predicted by machines or high tier martial artists. It's a great knife fighter that's pretty much it.

The idea that the joker is just some twink human is pretty dumb, the guy has very well defined habilities.

>>85037372
>The Joker isn't give really,

He fell of a bath of chemicals.

>>85037496
>The idea that the joker is just some twink human is pretty dumb, the guy has very well defined habilities.

He has well defined abilities but those abilities are basically as stupid and clownish as him.
Having Venom for blood? Being so CRAZY and unpredictable that you can beat top-tier martial artists with insanity alone?
It's like a bad joke. And also only useful in incredibly selective instances.

Why don't the other villains just rape the Joker

>>85037704
Can beat and never beat top tier martial artists, he get a few lucky hits and then tries to run away, but you dont read or like batman comics, you have an opinion that wont change you dislike batman related characters, nothing wrong with that. But you cant complain about what his canon habilities are, they are there and they justify his stories

Besides Lex has Joker interacted with any other villain? I can't see him actually being allowed to live after five seconds in Black Adam or Sinestro's presence.

>>85038008
Salvation run you filthy casual

>>85038008
Salvation run and joker's last laugh

>>85036082
It's be a betting free for all to see if Frank or Kingpin would put him in the ground first.

>>85037928
I like most batman villains, I just find the Joker a special case among them. He's entirely out of place, atleast in modern comics. And there's no reasonable logic behind "Is so unpredictable Cassandra Cain cannot knock him out in .2 seconds flat", that's just buffoonery.

>>85038418

>Cassandra Cain

There's not reasonable logic behind a female fighter being able to overpower a man.

>>85038254

Frank can't keep Jigsaw down, what makes you think he'd fare any better with the Joker?

>>85038418

That's kind of the appeal of the Joker though, that this is a character who generally ignores conventional logic that is present in most comic books.

>>85014236
see: Insane Clown Posse and the Juggalos

>>85038254
Frank has killed like 2 supervillians, he can only kill no named characters.

>>85038690
Yeah the Joker is an extremely Meta character. His powers would be better suited for a weird anime or something.

I always assumed other villains were just uncomfortable around him given the possible mischief. Sure not everyone is afraid of the Joker, but the smart ones make sure to keep an eye on him

>>85038825

He's "suited" just fine for comics. He's probably the most successful villain in comic book history.

>>85035456
there's a batman version of this?

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>>85036207
He's not talking about Henchmen, he's talking about other supervillains.

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>>85008614
The Joker is to the dcu, what this bear is to the Venture bros universe.

>>85038999

Henchmen are supervillains.

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agree, personally I find Twoface way more dangerous and disturbing

witness
>>85038999

>>85038999
I was about to write "Let's all agree Salvation Run was bullshit and a fucking BJJ blue belt with 6 months striking could beat his ass...

But can't argue with the trips.

>>85008614
What? Why would you go and say something like that? Have you gone mad? It's alright. We're all mad.

The guy hold have gotten capped by a SWAT officer years ago. During one of his more public schemes.

American police officers, for better or worse, do NOT hesitate to shoot if they think you even might be a threat. The Joker would last five days tops in LA.

>>85036247
the joker physiology seems to have changed drastically post acid dunk I cant remember the issue but I recall a mosquito dying from his poison blood.

>>85036413
Joker isn't actually crazy not by any medical definition at least. He fully knows what he does is wrong and against the law but does it anyway he is not under any delusions. If joker was a real person and was arrested he would be found criminally responsible without a doubt.

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>>85041832

>He fully knows what he does is wrong and against the law but does it anyway he is not under any delusions.

No. Martian Manhunter has to physically reorder his brain to get him to realize those things.

>>85034997
He's a big man.

>>85031022
Joker literally should only be used as a wildcard to bounce between Batfamily and the villains and stir up shit.

>>85039763
Nope, they are vanilla villain.

>>85042140

They don't have to be. Harley Quinn is both a henchman and a supervillain.

>>85040079
>"Let's all agree Salvation run was bullshit
That's what my post was going for.

>>85042160
>Harley Quinn is both a henchman and a supervillain
No, she is just an abused whore.

>>85042338

She was recruited for suicide squad, that makes her a supervillain by definition.

>>85034997
Pretty sure Darkseid doesn't give a shit about the joker, hell during one of the crisis events I'm pretty sure he mentally enslaved him or something.

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>>85020527
>>85020532

>>85030978

Holy shit you're fucking stupid.

>>85008614
How about the Joker being absolutely terrified of the Creeper?

>>85038690
How about the time he almost blew a hole in Joker's head?

>>85032713
>Joker kills guy I just met for the first time in 20 years
>Try to strangle him

It is established that that's really bizarre, and shown later to be a result of subliminal messaging and chemical hypnotism.

>>85040079

Eh, if you can suspend that disbelief, Salvation Run was pretty good, all things considered.

>>85043007

I'd imagine Darkseid would LOVE the Joker, if not because the Joker is a powerful propaganda tool- if there is no order, no control over things, no one will imposing itself on everyone, then you get madmen like him running around killing everyone and blowing things up. Darkseid offers people safety in slavery from the sort of violent barbarism that Joker represents.

>>85037372
He fell into a bath of (admittedly unspecified) chemicals. His life before that doesn't matter.

>>85009701
THIS is the clown whose been giving the Batman far more trouble and caused far more grief than any other villain, who should be capable of more due to powers/money/strength/etc.

He deserves the respect, honestly.

>>85037704
>Being so CRAZY and unpredictable that you can beat top-tier martial artists with insanity alone?

Most of the time when you get into a fight, the person you're fighting against is necessarily trying to protect themselves even as they attack you.

The Joker doesn't do that. Functionally he fights in a completely unique martial arts style, one that totally sacrifices any pretense at defense for offense.

Plus he's got an acid flower pin, a joy buzzer with a million volts coursing through it, and your mom being lowered into a tank of Joker fish.

And to top all *that* off, the guy's a master manipulator and cold reader and has seemingly effortlessly identified everything that ticks you off or throws you off balance.

>>85030637
>It's not fear; it's Respect. They know they can't underestimate him.

there is literally nothing stopping Freeze from freezing him or Croc from just ripping him in half

>>85045048
Sure there is: the reputation he has. The sliver of chance that yeah, they could take him out, but he's probably somehow set up something that will make them regret it.

Victor doesn't ice Joker, for example, because in the back of his mind there's the worry that he'll do that, then go back to his lair - and then find Nora's cryo-tube open and Nora on the floor, laughing herself to death from Joker venom that only he had the cure for.

Or something like that.

Both Batman and Joker basically rely on fear to protect them more than anything, it's just that Joker does the fear thing in a different way. Neither of them are the Boogeyman, but both of them have convinced Gotham that they are.

>>85036447

Seriously I get that the body reading gimmick might not work on him, Ill by that but even without that she's still a peak human badass ninja. She doesn't need her body reading to punch out a clown, based on just physical prowess he's not gonna dodge her

>>85045194
Joker's not a guy for fisticuffs anyways.
That's why he's got just as many toys in his purple suit as batman.

>>85045227

Great but that doesn't help him when the person he's fighting has her foot in his face before he has a chance to blink

>>85020916
Jason Aaron wrote that Penguin issue too.

>>85045275
Not really. Cass is actually one of the more 'cowardly' batgirls in her comic run. She jobs when fighting against anything she can't get a reading on. (which includes metahumans, robots and anything without a discernible human anatomy)

Probably something she inherited from her mom.

>>85045340
>Probably something she inherited from her mom.

kek
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>>85045340
>Not really. Cass is actually one of the more 'cowardly' batgirls in her comic run.

She literally had a death wish at this point and would often run face first into gun fire. And fuck off with the "cowardly" bull shit. She had more stones than the rest of the batfam combined

>>85008614
Bane isn't scared of that faggot.

>>85045564
I meant, when it came to the unfamiliar. Yeah, no doubt she's the batgirl with a martyr complex.

But she's also the one batgirl who hesitates when dealing with the unfamiliar.
Babs analyzes, Steph is impulsive.

>>85040060
I kind of wish they brought back Two-Face for TDKR, Aaron Eckhart did a great job as him.

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>>85044434
The Creeper really deserved more screentime or a Freakazoid-esque show

Well, there's this. Although Riddler is usually written as someone who tries to avoid Joker, and sometimes he's just indifferent.

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>>85045942
forgot pic

Most villains are afraid of Batman
The Joker is Batman's big nemesis basically, really on another level than the Penguin or the Riddler
So of course most villains are afraid of the Joker too

>>85045942
>>85045952
Nigma is pathologically incapable of passing up an opportunity to prove himself the mental superior of someone, so despite the fact that he knows how pointlessly dangerous it is to be around The Joker, he will always believe that he can out-think any threat The Joker represents.

>>85046053
I do like that one BTAS comic where some psychologist on television claims that Riddler is smarter than Joker. We don't even get to see Riddler reaction because he's too busy going, "Well fuck, now Joker's going to kill me."

>>85020509
>>85020515
Holy fuck

can anyone recommend me some comics where the gotham supervillains interact with eachother? It's one of my favourite things, to be honest.

>>85008614
WE know that the Joker is a fucking wimp who'd never be able to fight his way out of a plastic bag.

THEY don't know that. All THEY know is that he's the guy who's been trading blows with Batman since forever. Nobody wants to be the focus of that sort of attention.

Whenever anyone's scared of him it's because they have no fucking clue what he's about to do, especially with his reputation. You're all at a meeting to try and hash out a plan to kill the Bat. You invite Joker, because he fucking KNOWS Batman. Would it be at all out of character for him to have planted bombs at this building 30 years ago just in case it ever got used for this sort of thing? Not really. He once stalked a guy for, what, 5 years just so he could get him to open a door for him?

That's all I figure it is. Sure, Joker has some decent superpowers. He's a match for Batman, that's worth something. If he plots against you, you're about to have a serious problem on your hands. But more than anything else, it's just a really damn scary reputation.

>>85008614
why? Joker is basically a legend in the underground, he's died and come back countless times, killed hundreds, and always seems to have an ace up his sleeve
even if he doesn't have anything going on, his legends precedes him

I hate how everybody is scared of him because he's "unpredictable".

"oooh i dont wanna pull a gun out on the joker because he's gonna do something crazy like have a giant anvil drop on top of me XDD"

The joker is so unpredictable, everyone already knows its not a good idea to mess with him. If thats the case, he isnt unpredictable, he just always wins. When the fuck has this "unpredictability" ever had a bad effect on the joker?

God of chaos, my ass

>>85048814
>chaos
>losing
entropy wins. entropy always wins.

>>85014236
I'd hench for Killer Moth and his sexy voice. That's canon btw

>>85020502
Don't talk to me, skrub.

>>85048850
Not when it's embodied in a clown and you can pull a gun on his face. The Joker wouldn't last one week in Marvel- no scratch that, he wouldn't last one week in the real world before a random cop mistaking him for a nigger in facepaint unloads him with bullets.

This whole "INSANITY SUPERPOWER GUISE" is just pure nonsense. Being so crazy you're invincible isn't a superpower, it's a plot contrivance that has no reasoning to it and anyone that could take more than 5 minutes to step back and realize why it wouldn't work can see that it's shi*-fer-brains stupid.

>>85020582
> pagliacco
just means "clown" in italian

>>85048967
Your argument is garbage. 90% of the street-level characters in all comics wouldn't last one week in the real world. You might as well start complaining about ANY of Batman's villains, or Batman himself.

It's a comic. I have no idea why you can suspend your disbelief so far that you'll accept a man dressed as a bat being more effective than an entire police force, but Joker of all things is what breaks it.

>>85037728
You should have do this with an image of Gordon wearing Groucho Glasses

>>85048967
>The Joker wouldn't last one week in Marvel- no scratch that, he wouldn't last one week in the real world before a random cop mistaking him for a nigger in facepaint unloads him with bullets.
the simple fact that joker ripoffs like the green goblin exist and proliferate show this is untrue

The Joker kills people.

Most villains don't.

And he does it in surprising ways. Not all villains are scared of him, but they would have to be really stupid if they didn't appreciate him as a dangerous wildcard.

>>85049079
Norman Osborn is a super-evil genius with a battlesuit and Glider and powerful tech.
No one would be afraid of him if he were just some insane raving dumbass without powers, tech or super-serum.

>>85049044
> 90% of the street-level characters in all comics wouldn't last one week in the real world
Well you got me there, but it's discernible when you have to stop think of how the Joker by all means wouldn't last a week in trigger-happy Gotham.

>but Joker of all things is what breaks it
Because the writers take themselves way too fucking seriously when they write him.

>>85049210
yeah everyone's scared of his glider and pumpkin bombs, all that powerful tech just strikes fear into people and joker doesn't ever use explosives you stupid fuck

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>>85048967
>The Joker wouldn't last one week in Marvel- no scratch that, he wouldn't last one week in the real world before a random cop mistaking him for a nigger in facepaint unloads him with bullets.

You have to be 18 to be here.

>>85049232
gotham isn't particularly trigger happy

besides it's not like he walks down the street and goes shopping being evil joker

>>85038501

gr8 b8 m8 i rate 8/8

>>85049401
How is that bait? he is right, people complaining about the joker are just retards

>>85049489

>a trained assassin with loads of experience
>unable to take down a clown man whose physical capabilities are nonexistent

yeah ok totally correct makes sense to me, very logical. No, you fucking retard, it's the dumbest shit and anyone with half a brain could explain it to you.

>>85049557
>>unable to take down a clown man whose physical capabilities are nonexistent


But they exist, it's just that you don't want to accept them. So you are just a retard.

>>85049595

>BUT THEY EXIST!

Ok. They do. Too bad the other person is a trained assassin and quite good in hand-to-hand, to the point where being unable to predict his bodies movements wouldn't matter in the slightest.

>>85049793
>to the point where being unable to predict his bodies movements wouldn't matter in the slightest.

And doesnt matter. Not in the comics, it's always the same: he gets 2 lucky hits and gets KO or if he is really lucky he gets to Stab-poison and runs away.

The "unable to take him down" it's your own invention.

>>85049844

Considering it was in response to this:

>>85038501

It was hardly my invention.

>>85049874

Then you are autistic. That post was saying aplying real world logic to comics is stupid he didnt said Cass can beat the joker.

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>>85049905
>autistic

>>85049905

I'm guessing reading isn't in your native language of clapistan.

>>85010541
>maybe he has a experimental supersteroid that he's going to dope him and his henchmen with

Stupidest part of that game.

>>85008614
I imagine working with the Joker is like playing Vampire with a "lol randum XD" Malkavian.

>>85050112

I always wondered why the fuck they did that instead of having a worse version of Bane or just had the final boss be a good ol' fist-fight with regular Joker, interspersed with toxin-enhanced henchies [but no toxin enhanced Joker]

It seemed like such a dumb way to end a great game.

Guys, could Joker beat Lobo? Why isn't Lobo more scared of Joker, he's so INSANE and unpredictable that Lobo would have to be cautious.

>>85050147
You don't work with the joker, you let the joker do something in other city so Batman's attention isnt in your city.

You don't ask him, you let him know about a boring plan you have. That's it. If you don't let him play he will try to mess with you

>>85008614
They respect his meme magic mastery.

>>85050263
Nah I think other anon is right.
As a villain, Joker is basically SHITPOSTER the character. Why would you want that risk on your team?

>>85050419
>Why would you want that risk on your team?

You don't want him in your team. The thing is you don't want him trying to ruin your plans either.

>>85050419
The problem is that you not wanting him around doesn't make him go away. As long as he can have his "fun" he'll butt in.

>>85050419
>>85050492
I like the theory that this is the reason other villains prefer to keep Batman and Joker alive.

If the Joker is shitposer, Batman is the one and only Mod in /Gotham/ (Police aren't even weak janitors). You want to keep the Mod distracted so you let Joker shitpost, but always make sure he's not in your thread because that would be bad and also attract the Bats. As long as you keep him alive however he keeps Bats busy.

You don't kill Bats because than there's no one to keep Joker off your /Penguin-General/ or whatever and shitpost you into oblivion. He keeps the little guys on their toes so 'real villains' can actually act with security.

>>85024732
Dylan Dog's Groucho is always gold

Guys seriously why don't the Justice League just get Joker to kill Darkseid? How would Darkseid even beat Joker, his attacks wouldn't work the joker is fucking CRAZY and insane they'd probably just end up hurting Darkseid instead.

>>85019077
You know what soldiers are, boy? Hired killers. That's all. You go out, and you kill and die for political and corporate elites that don't give a single fuck about you, or whatever high ideals you think you're fighting for.

>>85050594
You will trigger the murrikans

>>85050584
God you guys are butthurt

>>85050622
You didn't answer my question though! They should just deal with Lex Luthor by hiring the Joker, Lex would never be able to predict the Joker it's impossible.

So are any of these concepts dealt with in Batman? Can somebody who actually read it let me know? Because frankly that's a big fuck up if nobody ever even once tried that shit. Seems like a big missed opportunity.

>>85050666
>They should just deal with Lex Luthor by hiring the Joker

Lex never "hires" the joker more than once in any timeline

>>85050698

Did you...did you even bother to read that post?

>>85012775

This might be the worst character analysis of any villain ever. Well done.

>>85050610
Nah if you replace political and corporate elites with bureaucrats, career politicians trying to play general, and generals trying to play politics then you've got the way a lot of Americans view the military. Americans are aware that the military is not always perfect or moral but they still belive that it's soldiers are worthy of respect for the things they sacrifice in service to the nation.

>>85050769
>is not always perfect or moral but they still belive that it's soldiers are worthy of respect for the things they sacrifice in service to the nation.

Worthy of what? What service?

The American military havent served the NATION since 1945.

>>85050698
Probably not but it couldn't hurt to try. The other villains avoid the Joker for a reason, if Batman just agreed to let off easier in exchange for fucking up the other villains, who the hell would stop him? None of the rogues can really defeat the joker he's Insane and Unpredictable.

>>85050801
>implying the domino theory isn't correct
>implying korea and vietnam weren't necessary steps to stop communism from taking over the world

>>85044514
>almost

>>85008614
>No powers
>somehow can stand up to just about any hero, even Superman
>anyone who tries to fuck with him, including powerful supervillians, winds up dead

I'd be scared to be around him too.

>>85050821
>>implying korea and vietnam weren't necessary steps to stop communism from taking over the world

They werent. And those wars didnt serve the NATION. They served the State and the elite.

>>85050845
>And those wars didnt serve the NATION. They served the State and the elite.

What's the difference?

>>85050833
>>anyone who tries to fuck with him, including powerful supervillians, winds up dead

I think that the joker beoing abble to kill you isnt a problem villians care about, but they are more worried about what he can do to their families and towns, the joker is the kind of guy that would poison an entire town to kill your mom and dad. And has so many loyal crazy henchmen that killing him won't stop his plans, the Joker as someone said it's a shitposter. He isnt a physical threat, but he is an absolute total cunt.

>>85050845

Look up Containment Policy sometime, it might help relieve you of your ignorance on the matter of what led to the Vietnam War.

You might even stop being a tool, who knows? Couldn't hurt to try.

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>>85050821
>>implying korea and vietnam weren't necessary steps to stop communism from taking over the world
But then what's going to be left to stop Capitalism from destroying the world?

>>85050891
The Joker isn't the Penguin. He doesn't have that kind of mentality.

>>85050908
It's the same shit as the overthrowing of monarchys after the French Revolution. After the kings of Europe saw they could be beheaded by one bad uprising they all sought to contain and stop that shit.

>>85050876
Country = The land. In a same country there can be more than one Nation
Nation = People
State: the structured government of a country, rules over one or more nations

Jews are a nation, Gypsies are a nation etc.
When the military is serving it's people it's defending the country from invasions, but if it's only serving the interests of the government then is not working for it's nation.

>>85050977
>He doesn't have that kind of mentality.
He does.

>>85050964
Capitalism is good, neo-liberalism in the form of ronald reagan was invented by jesus.

>>85051063
Except the government is elected by the nation to serve its interests.

>>85030978

That's an edit you utter mong.

>>85051081

Why even respond to someone as utterly deluded as that guy is? Just ignore him and move on.

>>85051075
Capitalism isn't inherently good or bad. It's like saying "Guitar is a good band" which doesn't make any sense. Greece tried a socialist capitalism and it bankrupted them. China did their commie capitalism and now they're bankrupting the world.

In it's current incarnation yeah NeoLibs will destroy the planet. Thanks Shillery.

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>>85051075
It depends on the writer but very rarely is the Joker that petty and vengeful. He'll fuck with you if it's funny, he's not an edgelord that'll do it to just to get your goat.

>>85051081
>>85051110
Oh yeah, the nation elects two people chosen by a bunch of rich people and politicians.

Idiots.

>>85020509

>Joker completely no selling another villain's shtick for no reason

This is why I hate The Joker. Other characters are completely build him up. Same with Batman and other heroes.

>>85051081
In theory. Sadly masses are brainwashed and stupid so they vote against their interests.

>>85051204
Wow, I didn't realize that we lived in a country where only people above a certain wealth limit were allowed to vote

>>85051110
You are such a good goy


>>85051081
>Except the government is elected by the nation to serve its interests.

No, the nation is given 2 options to rule them. At least we are talking about direct democracy there's a big difference between an elite ruled country with a controlled "democracy" and real democracy.

>>85051205
Yeah I despise the Joke because he only works because of PLOT. Why even have a villain whose only real saving grace is his plot shield?

I cannot even imagine people letting a superhero slide like that with "NO U" everytime.

>>85051204

If you want a system to blame, blame the Superdelegate system and broken electorate college. If they fixed that issue and repealed Citizens united, things would be pretty golden.

Maybe toss out SuperPACs, too, because those're pretty shit. Otherwise, though, I'm going to go ahead and ask: do you vote in the small elections? The ones actually electing lawmakers that make laws, not the big names like Mitch Cockwitt, Shillery, etc.?

Or do you just not bother at all?

>>85051063
The government represents the interests of the people, most wars have some level of popular support. Besides if you think a military only serves it's people when they're acting defensively you're wrong. Comquest and offensive action can also serve the interests of the people depending on the circumstances.

>>85051249
>No, the nation is given 2 options to rule them
We are not given 2 options you stupid chuckleprick. You can vote for literally any party, or any other candidate. The positions of the big '2' parties are completely arbitrary at any given moment, deceitful and contradictory anyway. It's just like picking team mascots, while the real players make the laws and rob the world away.

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>>85008614
In a continuity that has had multiple iterations, multiple writers and multiple remakes, you learn to not give a fuck about the whole spectrum of the lore and just treat each ark as its own continuity.

>>85051270
>most wars have some level of popular support

Explain Vietnam than.
Or the Gulf wars of the 90s.

>>85051311

Wrong, idiot. Vietnam had, when it started, overwhelming popular support for it. People were all for it, in part due to the Containment system, fear of Communism spreading, all that fun shit.

It was only when actual images, stories, and actual journalists got down to ground zero that popular support waned, and that was only during Johnson's reign. Before then, the war was actually fairly goddamn popular.

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>>85051270
>The government represents the interests of the people

>>85051311
Vietnam was ludicrously popular when it began

>>85051345
>the war was popular when the propaganda was stronger than the truth

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>>85051081

>>85051364

Yeah, and? Five sitting presidents believed in the containment policy. Johnson, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman. Everyone of them thought it was the right way to deal with foreign policy in regards to the USSR and the spread of communism.

You can call it propaganda all you like, but it doesn't change the objective facts that the war was very popular among the American people.

>>85051462
They also believed helping israel was a good thing. And Israel is seen as an "ally" by most americans, that doesnt mean helping israel is good for the american people.

>>85051539
>THE JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
Okay /pol/ if you say so.

>>85051364
It's not like the government was lying to its people. They genuinely believed that containment was the best way to fight communism, a lot of the public did too. It was only after the war started that people began to reassess their opinion and think that maybe this wasn't worth it. And in the end the government did serve the will of the people by abandoning the war and bringing the troops home. It wasn't propaganda, it was the will of the public changing.

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>>85051572

Dumbass burger defending Zionism, nothing new. No wonder you defend your "democracy" and soldiers so much, you are a product of propaganda, ignorance and lacks of self respect. The perfect American.

>>85051539
But the American people, or at least the majority of them, do believe that helping Israel is a good thing, you said it yourself. So the government is serving the will of the of people.

>>85051539

If you're trying to say that the Vietnam War wasn't necessarily good, I tend to agree but it doesn't matter; the facts point to the American people not agreeing and wanting the presidents to stop the potential spread of communism. They did not want it in their country, at fucking all.

The people were fine with the war. It wasn't economically a great idea, especially as it dragged on, but funny you mention the whole 'it's not good for the American people.'

Because the American people believed stopping the spread of communism at all costs was good. Kennedy started it off by sending some 17,000 'advisors' into Vietnam, and future presidents slowly drizzled more troops and funnelled them inside.

Not once, during that period, until the later years of Johnson and early Nixon administration did people want out, and by then there was a lot of reasons people wanted out.

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>>85051600
>It's not like the government was lying to its people.

>>85020561
That Lex in the second panel would be great reaction image for horrible shit.

>>85019853
>He writes glowing recommendations.
That's because he uses radium.

>>85051216
I love how whenever someone describes "the masses" they clearly don't include themselves in that.

>God arnt the masses ignorant unlike how enlightened I am?

>>85051848

They tend to use 'the masses' and 'sheep' interchangeably and often. It's kinda funny to see someone try desperately to be a non-conformist and 'not part of the masses or sheeple' but being a bigger tool than they're willing to admit.

>>85051848
I'm not in a crowd of idiots or a rally supporting a blond lawn-mowing accident of either gender, am I?

>>85051897
>haha I wouldnt be foolish enough to pick a candidate. Instead I'll do nothing and be smugly above the whole ordeal. I contribute nothing to the discourse but that only make me superior.

>>85051897
I bet you cry on and on about how stupid people are without realizing you are categorizing massive groups of people based on your superficial beliefs.

>>85012775
>The Joker
>Doesn't step on anyone's toes
Except Penguin, Black Mask, Black Hand, Poison Ivy, Bane, Lex Luthor, Mr. Freeze, Mr. Mind, everyone he mindcontrolled in Joker's Last Laugh, etc.

This is literally like saying Norman Osborn is a chill dude or that Bane is DYEL.

>>85051897

I'm voting for Johnson, because I want to actually contribute something even if, I know, in the grand schemes of things my 1 little vote ain't gonna change a thing.

It's better than fucking voting for someone whose party rigged it for her from start to finish and a failed businessman. And it's certainly better than your candy ass 'IM NOT IN THE CROWD OF THESE PEOPLE. IM ABOVE IT ALL.' self-righteous shithead deal.

Because that's all it is. Self-righteous, self-important, self-centered bullshittery you keep clinging to to make yourself feel better, superior, 'above it all.'

>>85014236
TDK hit it well. An army of the scared and the crazy.

>>85051940
Who are you quoting?

>>85051976
So just because I'm not on the political treadmill playing cheerleader to manipulative dinguses I'm instantly wrong and beliefs are superficial?

What beliefs aren't superficial. You tell me then, you must have all the answers surely.

>>85052027
Congratulations. You're less apathetic and clearly a better person than I am.
Well gee when you put in all caps and call be a self-righteous shithead and other mean words it almost hurts my feelings and makes you feel extra validated. Let's give you metal and make me wear the cone hat as if it matters.
I still won't be voting.

Who was being self-righteous again? I forgot suddenly.

>>85050830
Yeah almost. If Batman hadn't stopped him for plot reasons, Joker would be dead.

>>85052085

So you contribute nothing beyond existing yet continue to believe to be above it all. Congratulations, you're even more of a tool than the average American.

>>85052116
Nobody contributes anything by existing but existing. I'm not above it, I'm beneath it. Why the fuck do you care what I think? Why are you concerned if you're better or not than a stranger on the internet, which we've established you believe and clearly are? This conversation is senseless.

It's like all people ever want to hear is "Yes you're right I perfectly agree and exist to validate your opinions even though we never clarified why my own matters in the first place." It's mystifying.

>>85008614
You can squash a spider with one hand, yet here you are climbing a curtain and screaming at it

>>85052036
You are the kind of asshole that doesn't play the game but complains about the results. You have the power to effect the outcome but instead you will give everyone an earful about how dumb they are.

>>85052187
Do you even think you are human? You give yourself a tonew of leeway but paint everyone else in broad strokes as stupid people. You need to take a long look at yourself.

>>85052235
I don't complain about the result.
I just don't care.

You sound like a person saying
>"WHY AREN'T YOU SUPPORTING MY FAVORITE SPORTS TEAM THESE ARE THE SPORTS."
And I'd tell you I care about sports or enjoy rooting for teams and even join in and you should talk to someone who does know how to play rather than a random stranger.
But no
>"NO YOU HAVE TO ROOT FOR MY TEAM I DON'T CARE IF YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED THE GAME SPORTS ARE IMPORTANT TO ME."

>You have the power to effect the outcome
I resigned that whole sisyphean deal a long time ago.

>>85052187

And yet you will always sit and complain about the nature of politics, comment and talk but never bother to go out and actually try and do anything to change the status of things; you prattle on about the masses, the sheeple, people who go out and actually bother to vote.

This conversation is worthless, this is true. It's worthless because you've admitted you refuse to play the game because you know it's rigged, but will inevitably go onto forums and complain about the results, complain about the laws being implemented, about the candidate, about everything that occurs as a result.

Whether you believe it or not matters little; you are part of the problem. in 2010, approximately 38% of people went out to go and vote. If you cut out felons and below 18s and the severely disabled -- that still leaves a sizable margin of people who don't go out to vote, not because they're inable to but because they're like you.

They refuse to play the game because it's rigged and believe they're above it all, because you certainly do not believe you're below it. Your earlier posts certainly make this clear, even if you refuse to acknowledge it.

But go right ahead. Continue not playing the game, not contributing, not even attempting to make an effort to fix a broken system. Continue to comment on politics you don't engage in, complain about the results and wallow about however you like.

Because it doesn't change that you've done nothing but whine, and will do nothing but that in the future.

>>85052315
>Don't care about sports

>>85052262
We're on 4chan. Everyone calls each other stupid, don't read into it like a Gender Studies grad reads into Madonna.
I know my faults and limitations.
Saying
>Do you even think you are human?
Is a pretty meaningless brush in the end. The fuck is a human?

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>>85052187
>>85052315

>>85021916
Yes. Yes it does.

>>85048814

>When the fuck has this "unpredictability" ever had a bad effect on the joker?

Every single time Batman beats him?

>>85035456
Why isn't Margaret Thatcher in the dislikes section?

>>85052098
Everything happens for plot reasons

>>85052331
I'm not interested in politics.
I'm interested in dumb shit like cartoons. It's not really valuable for someone like me to even contribute anything, I'd be probably be doing the world a disservice just by voting. That's a negative outcome regardless.

Occasionally I complain.
Occasionally I complain about cartoons too.

I cannot effect either really, but atleast with Cartoons I can enjoy them and know my opinion doesn't matter as opposed to the opinion of someone who votes.

As for your entire spiel, if everyone was educated and the world was nice it would be easy to say yeah everyone should go out and vote for the candidate they choose and be actively involved in their government. Because we have 300 million people in clapistan and 38% is 114 million, you're taking a bold risk by saying these 114 million collectively can make the right choices and pick the the right candidates, without inevitably ending up like the circuses that is the other.

Maybe if I had more worth or confidence other than someone who has "Superficial" opinions and beliefs
>>85051976
my vote could mean something. But I'm just like the other 38% idiots who don't want to be responsible for bad things because they had high-minded ideals. Who knows, I could end up voting into office the next hitler. Do you know how likely that is? Like 90% of all political leaders are Hitlers and it's statistically likely to happen. If I thought I was self important or righteous, confident or not, enough to matter I would've crusaded like there was no tomorrow. But I'm not. And if I was it'd be bad anyway because my views are radical and clearly don't align with the common good.

So I resign from this game.
Probably.
I don't know, maybe I'll get bored. But whether I vote or not it's not doing the world any favors, just acknowledge that atleast.
If I did vote it'd only be for the same reason I complain or wouldn't vote. Boredom.

>>85020515
>The Joker using internet abbreviations in 1994

Truly a man ahead of his time

>>85052556
Hitler was to the left of Trump, and Trump is to the Left of Hillary. That's how far right american politics are. Fucking Hitler is pretty much a centrist compared with the neoliberals running that country.

>>85038999
What ever happened to Mr. Terrible, anyway?

>>85052641
It's kinda hysterical how Trump is to the left of Clinton on so many issues, and so many of my liberal friends are twisting their heads into knots to justify voting for Hillary instead of Donald.

>>85052716

Have you shown them the DNC leaks shit or anything?

>>85052366
Wow good job with that meme that sure is me in there yep personifies me perfectly.

>>85052641
Yeah so what? That problem cannot be solved no matter what president you put into office. Unless you're someone who can get special privileges to vote in every local election and hold a gun to the heads of lobbyist and politicians there's no way to hold anyone responsible.

Bernie Sanders seemed like a nice guy.
But is it even a question of whether Corporations and shady assholes would put a bullet in his brain on his acceptance speech if he won and vowed to tear the system asunder?

It's never going to happen because politics is a ruse.
If you get a magic genie and win by voting, the genie's just going to resort to violence and at that point I'd rather radicalize. And if I did that, we get anarchy and democracy falls apart and everything goes to shit.

>>85052716
Trump is the leftist candidate now and Shillery is so subversive with her policies she might as well be a Republican. The two great political parties are in the process of another spectrum shift again like in the 60's.

In a decade or two time their positions will have switched.

>>85052716
Trump isn't even that bad.
He's basically the absolute best Republican candidate we've gotten in the last 2-3 decades or so.

>>85052813
That's like saying between your house-beaten mom and new boyfriend, he's the best abusive step-dad she's dated in ages.

>>85052921

Yep. But unlike shitty people, you can't throw out political parties or candidates, unless you pop them in the head.

bit of a shame no one's popped shillery or trump or erdogan, but i suppose we all have to live with it.

>>85052737
>Acting like you're helpless
That's not true you dipshit.
There is something you can do.
It's something ONLY you can do.
You're just dodging responsibility by avoiding it.
The 2-party system isn't inevitable. The corruption can be dismantled. But you have to do it, on that day you have to try.

Anon.
You have to go out and become Batman.

>>85014236
The Joker graphic novel kinda covered that. The protagonist is a small-time crook with ambitions of being a crime boss, so he starts rolling with the Joker because everyone fears him and he's always making waves in the criminal underworld. Basically he wants to build up his rep and gain recognition for rolling with the baddest dude in Gotham.

>>85052730
Yeah, they handwave it away by endlessly repeating "Trump is worse". That's not enough reason to elect someone President. Doubly so when Trump doesn't seem worse, other then being an idiot who loves saying inflammatory things.

>>85052783
>>85052813
Yeah, that's my feeling too.

>>85052968
>bit of a shame no one's popped shillery or trump or erdogan

I wonder if we'll wind up having a fake military coup like Turkey so that the next President can declare martial law?

This is all very fascinating.

But can Joker play 4d chess?

Does he even have 12th level intellect?

>>85054726
Lex is extremely shitty and fails at everything, At least the joker has harmed the batfamily and fucked gordon

>>85055068
He got elected President, lets see the Joker do that.

>>85055121
>president

Try emperor

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>>85055175
I forgot, we always have a Joker in the White House.

>>85036082
He would last until Frank Franks him.

>>85055411
Frank is shit, in 40 years he has killed 2 supervillians

>>85055436
Who've actually stayed dead.

>>85055538

And? He only kills small niggers and henchmen.

>>85055587
I wonder if they all come back to life too?

Would explain where all the henchmen come from.

>>85037052
>>85037275
Agreeing with these guys here.

Way I see it joker is the equivilent of Batman in terms of prep time. If he has preptime you're not out smarting him. Specifically because people think he's a low brow nutcase.

The forever-immortal tie-to-Batman-through-fate shit has become so fucking pervasive and it should only ever have been left to Elsewhere horror pieces.

>>85020555
whats ultron doing there?