I want to make a web comic but I suck at drawing. My imagination

>>84917756
Get a good friend to draw for you and share the profit.

Bendis can't draw and he's somehow making comics, so why can't you?

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So basically, you want to make a web comic but you don't want to take the time to develop any artistic skills?

>>84917756
just do it

>>84917826
Yes, I just like the format and the stories. The writing side of it.

>>84917852
>The writing side of it.
Then pay somebody to draw it while you do the writing.

>>84917756
I've been having the same thoughts ever since I watched and found out that Mob Psycho 100 started out as a crudely drawn webcomic.

You can try drawing and creating webcomics whilst learning anatomy and other artistic principles. As long as you're telling an interesting story you'll be fine.

Know what OP, just draw it. And once you get good you can go back and fix up the chapters you started on.

>>84917911
But what if my drawings really suck, and it causes me to lose morale?

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It's not like making webcomic requires art skills, so what are you even fussing about?

>>84917756
Realistically, git gud. Unless you have a close friend who's good at art skills, it's easier to just do your own art, especially if it's a hobby and not actual professional work.

ONE has some degree of skill, whether he had it when he came in or he developed it overtime is still up for debate. Most other webcomics do have decent artists, they just stick with an unchallenging visual style to either hide their faults or just release updates quickly.

You don't have to become perfect with real life to start doing stylized art, despite what /ic/ will say, but having a good grasp on the fundamentals, and some understanding of anatomy, will help a lot.

It'll take a while and it'll suck, but once you get to a point where people can actually tolerate your art, you're set to go.

>>84917883
>>84917852
You don't have to pay someone. You can just form a partnership. Death Note was written with a team of two people like that.

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>>84917953
Who gives a shit?

OKAY, ANON'S GUIDE TO IMPROVE DRAWING 101

1. DRAW A FUCKING LOT, YOU'RE NOT PICASSO, SO YOU HAVE TO PUT A SHIT TON OF EFFORT TO MAKE GOOD DRAWINGS

2. WATCH A LOT OF PORN. PORNSTARS HAVE ATTRACTIVE BODY TYPES AND IDEAL ANATOMY, SO WATCHING PORN IS GOOD IF YOU WANT TO LEARN

3. TRACE MODELS FROM MAGS AND SHIT. TRACING MODELS WILL GIVE YOU BETTER IDEA ON POSES AND PERSPECTIVES AND ANGLES. IT'LL ALSO HELP YOU DRAWING NON-LIVING OBJECTS LIKE FABRICS WHICH ARE BITCHES WHEN THEY FOLD

THATS IT GO DRAW NOW FAGGOT

>>84917953
Then get slightly better at art to the point where you can stand to look at your own art.

Basically you need to be better than Sonichu/The Wotch god awful, leveling up to a more passive awfulness.

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>>84917756
mob psyco looks bad, but isn't unreadable
the art is bad, but is good enough for you to be able to tell what things are
if you're that good, you'll do fine
just don't try to hard, because bad art that really tries to look good usually looks worse than bad art that looks kinda funny

what's also worth knowing is One knows enough about paneling and creating scenes to tell a story. that's probably a lot more important than having impressive art in a medium like comics

just read some Scott McCloud Understanding comics if you don't know much how to panel and look at the comics made by your favorite artists to get an understanding

>>84918053
also if you don't know basic proportions, and constructing you're not as good as ONE

>>84917756
Just do it. Updating regularily is more important in webcomics than the quality of the art.

Then work on gittin gud, which is a lot easier when you're already drawing every day anyway.

>>84918050
At the moment I'm Sonichu-tier, maybe worse.

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>>84918124
ONE made comics with fucking MS Paint

>>84918124
Then git gud faggot. Or at least, get better.

Once you hit mediocrity you can start, but as long as it's unreadable, your comic is going to suffer.

The only instance where you can flat out skip that first step are in sprite comics, and you do not want to make sprite comics.

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Anon, come on--xkcd is literally just stick figures--moreover, most webcomic artists don't settle into their comic's style-groove for at least the first year. Consistency is key, and if your writing is as good as you say, then the art really won't matter so much.

So just draw some already and quit whining about "can't do it"

>>84917756
Unfortunately your fucked OP.

If you go on popular art sites you will see the forums filled with people who "Have a great idea for a comic but can't draw it." and are asking for help. If you want free help you better be a people person and befriend someone and get them to help ou with your webcomic. If not you are looking at paying someone to draw it for you which even if someone low balls you for like 25 bucks a page, it gets expensive real quick. I know you might be thinking "Well i'll just start a paetreon" however you need like 50 pages or more to even begin the comic before you can even think of a paetreon to pay your artist.

..or you know...you can look up how to draw on youtube and deviant art buy some andrew loomis books and do it yourself.

>>84918227
I never claimed my writing was good, just that I enjoy it.

>>84918048
You absolutely can form a partnership, just don't expect that you will.

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>>84918124
so you've never drawn before
then i'd recommend
Andrew Loomis's Fun with a Pencil
skimming Figure Drawing and Successful Drawing
Scott McCloud Understanding Comics
and looking at a lot of references
and some free drawing from life

sounds right now you're just at the "idea guy phase"
if you're fine just being as good as ONE focus on learning to tell a story more than anything

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>>84918238

Disagree. It's not like OP is saying he wants to draw comics for marvel/dc/etc, just webcomics, and anyone can do that and drum up a readership. Fucking anyone. He's just gotta post on the ref is all, art don't matter

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>>84918273
Well if you're gonna be a negative nancy, why bring it up in the first place? Damn son

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>>84918325
and if you're gonna have barely good art i'd recommend updating a lot
with this in mind it'd help to have scripts or outlines ready to work before hand so you know what to work with

look at Homestuck, the biggest web comic out there and the art is only serviceable
but he updated a lot so people were always talking about it

>>84918413
I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic. Everyone's been very helpful in this thread and I don't want to seem like I'm some super-flash writer when I'm not. I just have a story I want to tell. I appreciate everyone's thoughts.

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This is an art that I drew. This is why I think there's no hope for my drawing.

>>84918182
OPM: The original webcomic. it caught on really fast to the point that it got an actual manga and an anime

>>84918696
That's good enough, gives a Ben Jones vibe. What you really have to worry is on the story, since in this case it's going to be the main focus.

>>84918696
>>84918478

Not terrible, really, you just don't practice enough. It's got a promise of a unique art style; and that's just it, don't be afraid to forgo being a fucking master-realist drawing wizard, be content to develop something unique and FUCKING PRACTICE. Everyday. Forever.

Tell you what, along with that, the best advice I can give you is that you need to decide what manner of story you want to tell--funny or dramatic? One-off comics or a story arc? Once you know what you feel is worth expressing to the Internet at large, write at least a month's worth of scripts; utilize your lack of drawing prowess, don't emphasize it by writing stories that are completely outside of your skill's scope. Oh, and did I mention draw all the time? Carry a sketchbook everywhere and doodle all damn day long anytime you have the time. Doodle while you watch your Netflix-stories. Doodle at the bar, or work, or school, or wherever the fuck. But once you have a bulk of work you can start publishing (and by all means, do), then cycle repeat. Write scripts. Draw them. Repeat until end of time.

Oh and by the way, a whiteboard for rough storyboards is a goddamn wonder-miracle. Make your roughs and use them as a guide for the refined finished product.

This is the wisdom I giveth unto you Anon. Do with it what ye shall

>>84918696
if you're gonna use MS Paint keep it consistent
either you nothing but the shape tool or never use it at all
it'd be like making sprite art with different resolutions
you at least have a good eye for color

>>84918889
>good eye for color
Hear, hear

>>84918706
>actual manga
It was already 'actual manga' by the virtue of being a japanese comic book published on the internet. What you're referring to is a remake that got serialised in a popular magazine.

>tfw fell into massive years-long depression because the only thing I'm good at is drawing but I have a mix of low ambition, anxiety, and apathy that keeps me from ever taking the first step towards any sort of validation or success
Who will join me in this circle of pain.

>>84918949
webmanga then

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I hope everyone has a great night.

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>>84918954
Oh I know this feel quite well.
But then you make wacky monster puppets alone in your room and talk to the, while intermittently laughing and weeping!

>>84919024
>"web"manga
Is the distinction necessary because only traditional publishing has legitimacy? A lot of people read their paper-manga on the internet anyway. It's just like how webcomics are their own category even though there are paper comics that are stylistically indistinguishable from them.

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>>84919028
Ohh you too anon, you too

>>84918053
Angel Densetsu had real shit art over its whole run, but the comic was fun enough and the paneling was okay.

>>84919044
I tend to just have a physical sinking feeling of something in my chest that is neither organs nor muscle, as though an intangible part of myself is being pulled down to the ground, as well as the sense that the pressure of the air is increasing around me and crushing my very being.

>>84919131
That's some deep dark shit anon. Why not channel that, though? Idk if you're familiar with "whomp" but Ronnie Filyaw is enjoying some moderate success from capitalizing on his depression and darkness within

>>84919186
I don't think I could ever properly express how anxiety and depression has ruined my life, it's something that when I think about it all of my desire to do anything vanishes and as a natural coping mechanism my mind enters a state of blank fuzz. I'm 31 and I feel like I have less of a life than a circus animal. I truly wish that someone could make a drug where I could only think and be human for less than 30 minutes a week.

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>>84919276
Not to derail the thread, but do you read "Megg mogg and owl"?

>>84917756
Don't practice drawing STUDY drawing.
there's a huge difference between mindlessly drawing over and over and studying how to draw better.

>>84918049
>TRACING MODELS WILL GIVE YOU BETTER IDEA

Not true, btw. You won't learn anything by tracing since you're not doing any thinking yourself. Draw from reference instead, it's a million times better.

>>84921007
Not enough people understand this. There's a difference between mechanically churning out a huge volume of drawings that only serves to improve your motor skills and experience with tools, and drawing as an analytical process.

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>>84917756
You just posted an example.

ONE's art may not be the best, but DAMN can the dude write a story.

So just make your thing, yo!

>>84917756
After decades drawing male bodies (marines, models, cowboys, ninjas, space marines of all kinds, male robots, male monsters, super heroes, bodybuilders, average dudes, male zombies, male skeletons) I now have amazing skill at drawing males...

However, whenever I try to draw women they end up looking like either males or young girls.
How do I fix this?
Or how do I apply this in practice, what kind of story could I tell with these tainted skills?

>>84922309
As an important sidenote:
My young boys either look like dwarves or like the young girls.

Oh and I am good at backgrounds

>>84922309
there's a pretty decent market out there for non-traditionally feminine female protagonists.

do a scifi story about some kind of military group where a masculine looking woman acts as a mentor to a young girl new recruit, with the rest of the unit being male, while avoiding any boys vs girls stuff. the setting is such that it's just taken for granted that modern technology and training has overcome any innate differences between male and female bodies

>>84919276
I truly wish that someone could make a drug where I could only think and be human for less than 30 minutes a week

This is what a drug called tianeptine does for me. Bought it for like $30 online. Didn't think it would work since I've tried like a dozen different drugs for the same purpose, including prescribed stuff like zoloft. It actually does work, felt immediate relief after taking it, like a fog was lifted. The effect only lasts for about 2 hours though.

It does have the downside that tolerance to it ramps up very quickly, so you need to use it sparingly or it loses its effect. It's helped me get out of a 4 year depression. I've drawn more in the last 3 months than all 4 years before that.

>>84922374
You know, that's a pretty nice idea, thanks Anon!

>>84918416
Andrew Hussie actually has good art, that's the thing.

A lot of these "bad art" webcomics are only bad in service to fast updates and solid writing, but the artists still have decent grasps on perspective, anatomy, sprite art, etc.

>>84917756
Do it anyways. Drawing comics is practicing drawing. Some webcomics start out looking like shit, you gotta start somewhere and just keep developing your art style

>>84922076
What makes One punch mans story so good? Its just a dude who's strong no matter what and just keeps fighting stronger and stronger villains

>>84919054
If you don't like the distinction between manga and web manga, why aren't you bitching at the OP for making the distinction between comics and web comics?

>>84923785
The humor, blend of seriousness and comedy, and (this only becomes relevant in the second arc, after the anime ends) genuine looks at the concept of heroism.

Just do it man. I learned from experience that it's a waste of time to search for alternatives to practice. Instead, use that time TO practice.

>>84923785
It's a comedy.

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>>84922520
Hussie is a pretty good artist when he wants to be
but he's said since Vol. 6 Heir Transparent came out when he did the art there that Homestuck has been ruining him artistically
he still has some good art in Homestuck but its clear most of what he draws is minimal effort and most his panels were just moving around assets
he's still a pretty good artist, he knows how to make a good flash, but its clear people did not stay for the art

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>>84923785
a proper subversion of the Superhero genre
Saitama himself is a parody of the Superheroes in general
he gets his powers by minimal effort training, where Japanese heroes and some Western ones train like crazy to tone their powers
he's a superhero by hobby one that he's bored of even, and doesn't have a dark origin that caused him to become a superhero
his costume is already in reference to a old cartoon character

but even after all of this who he is reflects a lot about normal people today (so he's just a normal guy rather than the greatest of humans)
he's a 20 year old with an existential crisis, unsure if he's interested in his hobby anymore

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>>84922309
are you even that intertested in drawing diverse bodies? No? then don't get to hung up on it
a lot of artists have their own "pretty girl" body and even face type that they just copy paste over a lot of characters because they've spent more time drawing males
i mean in Oda's case everyone is Nami

to have variety in body types is always good, but its really not a requirement if you're telling a good story
just draw what you want, people don't care about much about different bodies as much as tumblr would lead you to believe

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>>84925307
i mean Steven Universe also gets props for their diverse body types but Pearl and Lapis still have the most fan art despite being the "super model" body type they claim to despise
and also despite Pearl being the worst person in the show and Lapis having little attention

Start doing a webcomic. If you try to get better you will as you go.

>>84917823
Bendis?

>>84917756
You literally posted proof as to why you should do it anyway, especially if your imagination is so great. Retard.

>>84925366
benis :DDD

>>84919377
I wasn't really a fan.

>>84922387
>This is what a drug called tianeptine does for me
That sounds pretty good, but reading up on it I'm not sure if it's a good match. I'm susceptible to liver damage and have heart arrhythmia, both of which might be boosted by it. Right now I'm on a cocktail of wellbutrin, quetiapine, and lamictal, which aren't as heavy hitting. I'm building up to 300mg of lamictal over the next few months, but seeing as how this will be my 12th tested drug I am pessimistic and no longer experience the temporary "cured" sensation that people get when they are new to a drug.

It's getting to the point that every time I think of my station in life in even the smallest of ways I want to shut down and be knocked out until it passes, and none of the drugs are helping in the least. I'm not the "I want to die" or "I want to hurt myself" type of depressed person, but I just want to sleep, and do nothing but. Everyone around me is succeeding and jumping ahead of me or dying and leaving me, and it makes me question why I even wake up for a pissant job or bother having any material connection to things. It gets to a point where I've shut down so much mentally that the only thing that assures me that I'm awake is a constant almost inaudible buzzing sound.

>>84927274
Why don't you go become a monk?

>>84918048
both the writer and artist had previous work that were accepted to be good by professional editors, they were not 2 neets who want to make easy money/popularity

i want to make comics but i suck at writing. op just practicing drawing. learn the basic stuff and you should be ok

>>84917756

If you have a good story I could help you.

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>>84917756
Watch/read some drawing tutorials here and there and

JUST DO IT

You'll get better over time.

Oh and also remember:
If you cant take criticism well then don't even start.
Treat your audience with respect (yes even the haters)
Dont end up like pic related.

Fumettis can be interesting, that is sequential art that uses photographs instead of illustrations- you could use live models, toys, etc.

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>>84917756
>implying that the greatest webcomic in history doesnt have shitty drawing

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>>84917756
Just do it. A lot of good webcomics started with shit art. ONE got gradually better, and so can you.

>>84932535
one can write and do scenes
but boy his art still needs work

but its fine because its kinda charming in a way

>>84932622
ONE is the prime example of why pretty art is just a small part of what is needed in a comic.

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You don't have to be a super great artist or even a 'good one'. Just pretty much own your story. Pic related.

>>84918048
Two people who got payed and was published in a magazine.

>>84925033
Saitama trained so hard he went bald..

>BALD

>>84933356
that's not a good example.
The story device is an alienating autistic device that's introduced in a really weird way, the narrative portrays issues as clearly black and white, like this is written for a child, the timing is all but non-existent, and the characters are impossible to connect to.

>>84933356
This is absolutely awful in every single regard

>>84917756
just draw and make your comic dude.
practice your drawing skills and get better day by day.
i highly recommend that you pick up 'fun with a pencil' by Andrew loomis.
i'm pretty bad at drawing but i've drawn tons of things, from Comics. OC's, porn/R34, requested art, /qst/ related art and even done small animations.
sure they're not great.
regardless if it's bad or good
you won't go anywhere if you don't do it, but if you do it, things will get less harder as you keep doing it.

>>84917756
>I want to make a web comic but I suck at drawing
Don't worry about this. You'll fit right in.

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>>84933356
that's not good either
paneling is shit
if the people are gonna be still the whole way, it might as well not even be drawn
dynamic paneling is important to tell a story
remember this is a visual medium

>>84933356
the artstyle looks like bitstrips

>>84925033
He wished to be the strongest hero, he's the same as any of the monsters in his world, he was just willing to fight shit when they could most certainly kill him and his perseverance made him into a "monster" the same way many people end up turning into monsters in that universe. Just being really dedicated and enjoying what they do over and over again.

>>84927274
How's your social life been? In the past and now?

>>84934258
Gutters are typically used to depict the transition of time unless they want to frame the image like you're looking through a window and seeing bits of the action as in each window of a large building.

>>84925366
You may know his from such hits as black spiderman or girl iron man

>>84917756
Find someone who can draw.

Be their friend.

Propose the idea of a shared project.

Drink their blood, gain their strength.

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>>84934258

pay (clap emoji) a (clap emoji) starving (clap emoji) artist (clap emoji)

>>84919054
Well it's more that traditional comics lacks the legitimacy that webcomics now have, we're just trying to distance ourselves.

>>84932535
ONE didn't get that much better, he now has assistants.

You know what would be interesting to do I. This thread, have the people who want help draw a one page comic and have other comment on it

>>84917756
Shut up and make a webcomic, seriously. Even if you gained god-like drawing powers overnight, you wouldn't be any better at writing or composing pages. No matter what you do, you'll need to bite the bullet and realize that you're going to be bad at it before you can be good at it.

I'm an okay artist who's only just jumping into doing comics and there's a lot involved with the process that I haven't gotten a grasp on yet.

>>84918048
If you have a real life friend who wants to do it then sure. Otherwise you will not find an artist online who wants to do your shit for free.

>>84923785
Do you even read it?

>>84925344
Supermodels usually have that body but that's not really the kind of body most people are looking for. Supermodels are always super thin and flat chested but people usually draw curvy but thin women with big boobs.

>>84922309
>young girls.
i dont see the problem

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>>84918053
I can't wait for this part to get animated. I've been pretty happy with how most of Mob has been done so far.

>>84917756
More like weeb comic amirite

>>84941464
fuck outta here.
come back when you have a better one to say.

>>84939671
Do we know how far the anime is gonna go? Because I'd love to see SCAR and Keiji Mogami.

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Just do it, brah. You draw, suck at it, draw some more, until eventually your art is decent. That's all there is.

>>84917756
well. you just posted an example of a shit artist with great storytelling abilities.
Just start making the webcomic, post it online, and eventually you'll get better.

Just do it.

>>84919073
Are you insane? The art was great and typical for the genre.

>>84934593
Up's and down's. I've been in relationships with women, and I can make fast friends with people, but it just doesn't work. It never, ever works. I get annoyed with having to maintain contact because I hate people asking me questions, such that I have to face what I'm doing and where I'm going. Ultimately it just leads to me lying to them nonstop, because of how humiliated I feel at every twist and turn of my life. I just flat out stopped dating in 2011 and have changed my mindset from "I want sex" to "I can never allow myself to be with anyone." A primary reason for that is that I feel like the only possible companion I could ever find, keep, and ultimately deserve would essentially be gutter trash and would have such incredibly low standards that it would just be calamitous. To me there is literally no possible way that a worthwhile person could want to be in a romantic relationship with me.

That's life, though.

Have you seen Gunnerkrigg Court? The creator couldn't draw for shit when he/she started. But they kept at it and are now much better.

That's how I did it. Just jump in. You won't get good until you've failed a million times. It's kinda like grinding in a video game.

>>84950550
Tom could always draw well. The art was never bad in Gunnerkrigg.

>>84934639
Wait a minute, did you say BENDIS? As in THE BENDIS? Bendis did that?!!

>>84953658
There's only one Bendis and if you know of him I can't see any reason you would be surprised what he's worked on.

>>84939671

I wish there was a good guide to understanding the flow on animation in something like this or even OPM. This fight looked so nice for something so stylized.

>>84925033
>he gets his powers by minimal effort training, where Japanese heroes and some Western ones train like crazy to tone their powers

That's the opposite of what happened. Saitama worked his cock off to attain his powa. It wasn't impressive training, but it was hard for him. Also, tonnes of western/eastern heroes attain powers with zero effort.