One of the few gay couples in cartoons that doesn't feel

>>84841529
so she's a dog fucker?

>>84841529
Fuck off your thread is shit-tier

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well it's French, they play everything like this, and nudity straight. They feel no need to force it, it's just how they roll.

>>84841664
Cat. Julie's an ecaflip.

What's this show? looks cute

Can you give a reason for why it's fine that a heterosexual relationship in a cartoon can be right there in the open, even focused on, but the only good way to have a gay relationship is to make it as a minor of a thing as possible? Without that reason being homophobic?

>>84843319
Dofus cartoon series
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLffSEhxYciZz9SyeIUUQawPxMlP5yw_oS

>>84843457
Homosexual relations are either in the background or in your face for the sake progressive ness. It's rare to see one as just a plain element in the story. Something that goes on while bigger stuff happens. Hetro relationship s do it too but people like to bitch about the queer ones more.

Their relationship in Dofus had nothing to do with the story. It's was just a part of the every day life that went on outside of Papychas stories. Which is good. We see enough to know it's there and continue s to exist but it takes nothing away from the story for its own sake.

>>84841664
LUCKY FOR YOU

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>>84843457
I wouldn't say Simone's relationship is minor. They make no effort to hide that she's dating another woman and eventually living together in Bonta. It's just that Simone herself is a minor character to Kerub's stories.

What I do like about Dofus is that nobody ever questions a gay relationship. No objections or praising but just treating it normally as one should.

>>84845826
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>>84845916
Here's more

>>84845826
this is all i fucking want, but stupid american LGBT won't accept it. they want it to be this big fucking production.

could you imagine if people just accepted the gays? they would have an even BIGGER, GAYER pride parade because all they (and all the rest of LGBT want) IS FUCKING ATTENTION!

THEY ARE ATTENTION WHORES AND IF WE STOP FEEDING IT THEY WILL COMPLAIN THAT WE ARE PHOBIC

>>84841664
shes a beastmaster actually

>>84846091
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>>84846096
The funny/sad part is they're just as the people who discriminate against them. Telling bisexuals or asexuals to get out of pride and crap like that.

It's this weird belief that if you had shit done to you and you're fighting back, it means you can do no wrong. See it enough with racial stuff.

>>84846628
>*they're just as bad as the people who discriminate against them.
oops fix

>>84846628
oh, i read a story about how the gays in LGBT weren't being oppressed ENOUGH to be part of LGBT or some shit in the EU

>>84841529
I think a gay relationship that's similar to how Tenzin/Pema(when she's not poppin' babies)'s is in LoK could be okay and not feel forced but I wouldn't put it in a kid cartoon. No reason to show things mainstream religions don't allow just because it's a natural thing that happens. You never need it for a narrative or character to work, at least in a kid cartoon.

>>84843457
in theory its fine people have just been burnt so much by things shoving gayness in our face that when its just a relationship that happens to be gay people are far to quick to assume its just another one of those such as in Steven universe (although considering the most recent episode is the writers turning into complete sjws it may well become true soon)

>>84846994
*such as with steven universe

>>84846096
they do it because they tend to get murdered and abused a lot

groups of people don't just forget mistreatment

it's kinda like how jews care about the holocaust and anti-semitism and black people still care about racism all the time and cops

this is all a long way of saying it is never going to go away

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>>84841664
Osamodas are devil-horned animal tamers or people who like being in charge. For some reason they're tan with auburn hair in the Dofus era, and like 800 years later they all turned blue with white hair and grew devil tails too.

Ecaclips are cat people who are really into gambling, the degree depends on the individual.

So...a Tiefling with a Felinid? Hellboy with Tigra? Devilman with Polly Esther? A Draenei with a Mithra?

>>84847170
Not to mention all it takes is one crazy motherfucker in Alabama to get on stage and call for a return to segregation, sending Jews back to Europe, or castrating gay people for everyone to get freaked out and knee jerk in the other direction.

Crazy causes crazy.

>>84843668
>Homosexual relations are either in the background or in your face for the sake progressive ness. It's rare to see one as just a plain element in the story.

This is because conservative media companies want a product they can sell in homophobic red states and Third World countries.

Local broadcasters can skip episodes with in-your-face gay themes, or edit out in-the-background gay elements. But plain story elements, for people in Sarah Palin country or ISIS world, aren't easily skippable or deletable.

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As far as I know, these two and the Treasures girls are the only two well done gay relationships in animation.

>>84848094
If youre going to be obvious, you might as well go as over the top as you can.

>>84843457
Pssst.

It's because they're homophobic.

A homosexual relationship will always be "forced" and "shoved in their faces" to them.

>>84848091
Which is why you'll be seeing it on Netflix, not so much on cable.

Netflix just needs your subscription, they're more interested in more content than just the best of the best. They'll only drop something if there's no interest.

Cable needs you to actually watch as much of their shit as possible, so they have to min/max shows and timeslot to appeal to the most people most of the time. Which is why it turned to shit, every network cheapened in order to whore out to the lowest common denominator.

"I could make the Science Fiction Channel a great network, if I didn't have to show science fiction on it."
-The woman who turned the SciFi Channel into SyFy.

>>84848139
What made that work is how organic it was. There was genuine emotion.

Most thing that throw in gay characters try for the easily recognizable stereotype or rely on the situation to sell the emotion, rather than the characters themselves and their history.

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>>84848016
Actually Dofus Osa have tails too but they don't feature in the show for some reason. Same with the more human sized ecaflips like Julie.

>>84848178
Organic? yes
Comically over the top at every opportunity? also yes

Yep, if it was an american cartoon she will talk all time how awesome is being gay and she will repeat it the fucking whole season. You don't have to gay, you have to tell everyone how awesome it is.

>>84841529
I dont know what this is but i hope there is a LOT of porn of them.

>>84841529
no one cares bub.

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>mfw Simone leaves

I new she'd leave eventually, but I wanted her to stay forever.

Honestly pretty much any sort of minority being given a major role in a lot of nerd media simply can *not* be done without it ending up political.

Simply because the moment the writers so include them there will be a group of screaming retards throwing a fit over it.

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>>84848385
What's important is that she's happy, anon.

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>>84848423

>Simply because the moment the writers so include them there will be a group of screaming retards throwing a fit over it.

What is Steven Universe for $500?

>>84841664
Ecaflips are cats.
She tamed her felinity.

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>>84843457
It's not about it being the focus or not (since the show is mostly about adventures rather than romance), it's that it is treated as perfectly normal without beating around the bush about it's nature.
Compare it to say Korra where everyone praised it for a quick scene of hand holding at the end. Meanwhile Dofus has things like episode starting with Simone putting on make up for a date with Julie, with Joris asking "is Julie your girlfriend", with Simone confirming.

The relationship could be in focus, but they went with a different character as the main.

>>84848385
Eh, it was the last episode anyway.

>>84846096
well, thats not true at all, is it?

>>84848142
yeah, they always feel its being "shoved down our throat" or "just doing me raw" or "just throwing me on the bed, i whisper "no", but the gays just do it to me anyway"

dam gays

>>84848142
This. People always complain that something is "forced", even if everything would be exactly the same if it was a straight couple instead of a gay people. It doesn't matter if it's a couple or someone who just happens to be gay, their mere existence bothers these people.

>>84841529
is there an english dub?

not to be a pleb, always looking for something to watch with my kids that wont bore me. This doesnt look boring....

>>84845826
It's the same way in SU but there's still complaints about that.

>>84849845
>The relationship could be in focus, but they went with a different character as the main.

I think this is also a good example because for Simone the relationship is a focus. The show isn't about it but it's obvious that it's something she cares about and puts time/attention into.

Though that's not the only reason. It's written very well. Watch the first episode with the knowledge that Simone is gay. She ignores the hunks and stares at Julie. There's a subtle humor to it all that you don't need get to enjoy the sequence. Key word there is subtle. It's also a sequence that's all about introducing Simone as a character in general and not just a single part of her.

Good gay characters are well written gay characters. Which means it should really be a question of writing and acting. As others in this thread have echo'd people going crazy tends to drag the conversation into an us vs them when we should really be past that and arguing for better storytelling.

>>84848142
Correct. You are literally always exposed to heterosexual couples kissing, cuddling, etc all across the media with shows sometimes having it as their primary focus. However, a show like Steven Universe uses gay characters and makes their relationships a central part of their character - not every episode is about their individual love lives, but it is often touched upon - and suddenly its FORCED SJW GAY PANDERING POISONING OUR CHILDREN DO THEY EVER TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE?? It's transparent.

>>84848142
Some people feel that way. A lot of them are /pol/ or shitposters. A lot of them aren't.

I personally hate it because I've never really seen it done well. The creators fuck it up just as often as anyone else. They brag, or they put on airs, or whatever.

For what it's worth, I'm one of the most militant, argumentative "homophobic" people I know, I like Steven Universe and I don't think the lesbian shit or whatever is "forced" or "shoved in my face" at all. I've seen shows where it's not done badly, or where they actually use the sexuality properly. I think there was a cartoon I watched recently that did that. I was surprised, but it wasn't pushed on me. I like Brooklyn 99 or whatever, with the gay captain, because he's obviously gay for a reason and they're trying to make a point, but it's not this huge deal.

It's so easy to just dismiss everyone's claims as them being homophobic, but I've SEEN this done right and all too often it's not done right. And then you can't complain about it, because if you do, you're homophobic. It's so frustrating thinking something is done wrong but being completely unable to say anything against it.

>>84850580
I feel you. And it's hard to tell whether the person who's saying all that shit as a defense is just so obsessed about defending their political ideals that they turn a blind eye to to all the flaws of something, or simply have shit taste.

>>84850213
Watch it in French.

Putain paysan.

The proper way to handle a homosexual romance is the same way you handle someone's preference of clothes, or where they buy their groceries. It's just background fluff that isn't important to the main plot, because it's just part of everyday living.

When you try to prop up something like gay rights or "powerful female character" by having them get into the camera screaming about it or showing them beating up like 20 guys at the same time because they're soooo strong, you've already failed. If you want people to know something is normal, you portray it as being mundane.

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>>84851067
"Putain de péquenaud" works better.

>>84841698
>well it's French, they play everything like this, and nudity straight. They feel no need to force it, it's just how they roll.
french be like "they see me rollin',they hatin' "

>>84851905
Hmm, perhaps I was looking for a word too directly equivalent.

Va te faire enculer.

making me regret dropping this series so much..

I liked it a lot but i just kinda lost interest. Now I have to find my place again. thxop

>>84851962
With recent events, I'd say they're doing much more than 'hatin'

>>84841529
>their relationship is way in the background and is basically irrelevant
Just like actual homosexuals.

>>84843457
Because its a kids show, not a homosex fetish show. Stop putting your sexuality into every damn thing.

>>84854591
>people having gay sex isn't sexual
ok

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>>84854826
>Homosexuality is just about the sex
ok

>>84855053
stop being ridiculous!
I didn't say it was ALL about sex..

>>84855435
Yeah you did.

>>84855608
no I didn't

>>84841529
How many gay couples do you see in cartoons?
Steven Universe where they're alien rocks that become one being or lust after a dead one who choose a dude over her?
The implied queer baiting in Adventure Time?
The two moms in Clarence who've had 45 seconds of screen time where I think they hugged once?
Help me out OP, where are these "in your face" gay romances in cartoons?

>>84848221
>That episode where Gus gets the knife stuck in his head

>>84841529
So the only way a gay relationship doesn't feel "forced" to you is if the show puts no focus on it at all?

So lemme get this straight, a show where a gay couple serves absolutely no purpose to the narrative and is merely there to check a "gay inclusive" box for progressive points is better than a couple actually being relevant to the story?

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>>84841529
Ok and?

>>84855712
Yeah you did

>>84856845
no I didn't

Enjoy your French lewd and French lesbians while you can. Muslims will soon takeover the country and will ban it for being haram.

>>84848198
Don't you look more like your god the better you worship?

>>84851962
>french be like "they see me rollin',they hatin' "
You have to be 18 or older to post on 4chan.

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>>84856896
That was a fan theory. Doesn't seem to be the case because the more dedicated Osa and Ecaflips are also lacking tails.

>>84851575
So a homosexual romance can never be important to the main plot while a heterosexual romance can.

Got it.

>>84857041
>implying I didn't do this intentionally to b8 people
wew lad

>>84857876
if a story is about a homosexual romane and its also a romance story? Fine, thats what most people are after when they want a romance. ( aside from perhaps the genders involved) but when Im reading an adventure story I dont want a romance hetero or otherwise.

>>84857921
>I was just pretending to be stupid!

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>>84848433
>What's important is that she's happy, anon.
Sup

>>84858128
>I was just pretending to be stupid!


>tfw that was literally what I was doing the whole time

>>84856301
>Help me out OP, where are these "in your face" gay romances in cartoons?

Well, you can start by pointing out where he said this, and we'll all go from there.

>>84857876
If it's specifically only about the romance, fine. If you're telling a story about a school for wizards, no, Dumbledor being gay is never important.

>>84858276
Simone and Julie probably grew old together and been long dead and buried before that.

>>84857148
Revering a god isn't the same as acting like the god. One can totally love Xelor but not waste their life in a basement building things.

>>84858956
That has no effect on their appearance. The girls in >>84857148 are fulltime osas and they have no tails. The cat ladies in ecaflip city are fulltime ecaflips but they too have no tails.

It's a style choice by the studio. Nothing more.

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>>84856301
I want to believe

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>>84858516
We can only hope.

>>84848502
Apocalypse what the hell are you doing in this pic?

Shouldn't you be looking menacingly and do stuff about the whole survival of the fittest and etc?

>>84859334
Hmm...
EIther Mrs. Quest was enough of a beard for them to dutifully have at least one child, or Dr. Quest is Bi, if we accept this notion of yours.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if THE Doctor Venture was. He was into all kinds of kinky shit, and it was like, the 60's and stuff. He was in a hip scene.

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Better gay couple