I don't want to get hyped for Justice League after getting

>>84783304
Wish DC was patrician enough to do a Flash of two worlds with Gustin and Miller.

>>84783336
Millers down for it too

I dont like the "whip" sound effects when he's moving the batterang though

>>84783336
>>84783409
I wish they just made him Wally and had token mentions to 'another Flash'. It would have made things a lot cooler. Ezra's a near perfect Wally, but I'm not feeling him as Barry.

>>84783456
>tfw WB makes toy Flash gloves with whipping sounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeMbKqUTJ4s

>>84783491
Barry is Wally now, even comics Barry is a more mature Wally

But you can't really blame them. Barry didn't have a personality before 2000 something.

>>84783750
Oh, yeah, I know, but Ezra is playing the role a lot, lot goofier than Grant.

So they could throw the fans a bit of a bone instead of pulling the old 'tv show aren't canon and thus don't really matter' and have him be Wally.

I just wish they pulled a Marvel and kept all the live action stuff in one universe.

>>84783797
>I just wish they pulled a Marvel and kept all the live action stuff in one multiverse
FTFY

>>84783873
You mean, like Guardians of the Galaxy?

>>84783509
Huh, that sounds awesome. Why the fuck did I never hear about these?

Aside from cracking a joke I didn't see much Wally in there.

Wally is a wisecracking smartass
Barry is a dorky nerd or at least that's what they were trying to do for awhile.

Playing up Barrys dorkiness is for the best, he was a nerd inspired by his favourite comic book character

>>84783797
>I just wish they pulled a Marvel and kept all the live action stuff in one universe.
TV shows and movies being in the same canon is the stupidest idea ever

>>84783797

I prefer the everything is canon live action multiverse. I mean shit 90s Flash and even trash like Birds of Prey are now canon to the DCEU through the multiverse! That's fucking great.

>>84783963
How? Honestly tell me fucking how.

Agents of SHIELD is too slow paced to be a movie, and Daredevil and street level stuff work better in seasons while still being able to reference events from the bigger stuff, and also opening the door for collaborations between Daredevil and Spidey for instance.

There's literally no downside; it's not like they interfere with each other THAT much. Oh, wait, you're just shitposting with no actual reason.

He unironically sounds like a sperg

>>84784042
Not him, but I can see where >>84783963 is coming from. Most people work for a living and have to miss their favorite shows and binge them during their off-time. If you make TV and movie take place in the same universe the audience will likely be out-of-touch once they sit down in the theater due to missing a few episodes of the TV show, cheapening the experience.

>>84784050
>mid 20s forensic scientist
>named and designed himself after his favourite comic book character
>sits around in the dark watching cartoons and on 4chan
Of course he's a sperg

>>84784196
It's not like this garbage is connected in any significant way.

>>84784196
You don't miss anything by not watching the shows. The movies and even shows are perfectly okay by themselves. They all just add flavor to each other.

>>84783336
There's something called ACTING, and Gustin can't do it.

There's nothing patrician about CW actors.

>>84784196

That makes a lot of sense, but rather than straight up pulling characters and events from the TV series into the movies, simply mentioning stuff in the movies without it being a plot point would work a lot better.

Using Marvel as an example, take the Helicarrier from Age of Ultron.

It was made a fairly minor plot point in Agents of Shield, and in Ultron they just spout some line about it being "In storage" or something.

They could have made a crack about an old friend pulling them a favour, sat Maria Hill and Nick Fury on the thing, and then put a couple of the characters from Agents of Shield sat on control panels, or piloting one of the transports or something, at most give them one throwaway line.

The fans of the show would squeal with geek-joy, the movie casuals wouldn't notice and it wouldn't break the flow of the movie.

It'd make people shut up about the TV/Movie crossovers, it'd make the executives look less petty, and it'd be an extra little nod to there being stuff outside of the movies going on.

>>84784042

Because the shows production and the movies production are so off they don't even know what the other is going to do.

>>84784414
>Gustin can't do it.
Neither can Gadot.

Maybe you meant the lacking screen presence for the big screen? Then again Gadot doesn't have any either.

It'd be easier if he was a jew.

>>84784414

This.

Saying that, i think the dude who plays OG Eobard Thawne is good enough for the movie-verse.

There's a big difference between having B-listers and OCs in TV shows compared to a member of the JL.

Imagine we had a Captain America TV series instead of the films and he just showed up to lead the Avengers

>>84784474
They don't need to know what the other is going to do. The street level stuff acts in reaction to whatever bullshit the Avengers pull; I'm certain the Defenders are going to have to deal with the Sokovia Accords during their run.

That's it. The other thing it allows for is team ups but they haven't done that yet considering how expensive it must be to hire the big name actors and do the CG. Otherwise, the connected canon allows for interesting reactionary issues in the shows. It's not like it's all jumbled u or anything.

>>84784318
>The movies and even shows are perfectly okay by themselves

>>84784445
>rather than straight up pulling characters and events from the TV series into the movies, simply mentioning stuff in the movies without it being a plot point would work a lot better.

Then what's the point of having them share a universe if you're going to keep them separated anyway?

>>84784445
>Using Marvel as an example
Here is where you're logic and reason are shit. WB/DC wouldn't execute that like Disney/Marvel did. I'm a DC fanboi and I can see that plain as day.

>>84783901
This.

I don't really see anything of Wally in this movie Barry. I don't understand why people are saying he acted like Wally at all.

>>84784547
>The movies and even shows are perfectly okay by themselves
Why are you quoting me? Is this supposed to be bad? For the average normal person, they can go to the films and just enjoy them; you don't need to see the shows to understand them, and vice-versa. If you're a nerd and/or watch everything, they just add flavor to one another;

>>84784547

>Then what's the point of having them share a universe if you're going to keep them separated anyway?

For the same reason that >>84784196 mentioned, so that people don't watch one of the movies and then feel like they have to sit through three seasons of one of the TV shows to understand what's going on.

>>84783491
>I wish they just made him Wally and had token mentions to 'another Flash'. It would have made things a lot cooler.

They really should have went Barry-Wally deal with like how Antman did with Hank-Scott.
A bit of heroic history would have made him better than the generic "muh mum is dead" story.

>>84784598
Sounds like we're jumpting through a lot of hoops just to hear some fanbois sqeal...

>>84784588
If the movies and TV shows are perfectly OK by themselves, what's the point of having them share a universe if you're going to keep them separated anyway?

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am I the only one who loves the suit? it's clearly inspired by injustice, which is probably my favourite flash look - it's a nice deviation from the tight leather status quo for superhero suits

my only gripe is that it's too shiny, wish it was more matte

>>84784545

When the show is setting the inhumans up and the movie staff admits they have no idea what the show is doing it does matter.

Or when the show is told into production that the movies are going to destroy SHIELD and the show had to struggle to figure out what the fuck it was going to do for half a season.

>>84783901
>>84784576

Yeah, I'm a Wallyfag but it annoys me that whenever Barry shows even the slightest bit of personality he's somehow like Wally. They might be of similar molds, but they're very distinct characters.

Barry being a goofy nerd is just an extrapolation of what was already there. It's what you get when he's (re)created in the modern day instead of the late 50's.

>>84783304
>But I loved Ezra as Barry
I hate you with every possible fiber of my being.

That said, I hope you at least enjoy the movie then, as it's proving to be impossible for me.

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>>84783304
>Ezra will never give you a super-speed blowjob

FUCKING SNYDER

>>84783304
You must've liked Jesse Eisenberg's Luthor as well, then.

They seem exactly the same.

>>84784042
If they share the same universe then The Flash won't even have a TV show, and all the semi-famous villains won't appear on the TV. Imagine you have to put a villain in the Flash movie but he already appeared in the TV shows monster of the week format, it'd be a pain the ass to write around it

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>>84783304
I don't really care much about the lightning being everywhere, but it should be obvious it doesn't damage or impact anything. It should be residual, like when someone interacts with him it should feel like their full of static.

Also, the blue lightning triggers me. It should've been yellow. He just looks like he's going Super Saiyan

>>84784680

This is based on New 52 when DC wanted to make -only one- Flash. They thought making the ideal mix of all Flashes was enough to sell the character.

Instead they managed to make him even more boring an generic who only appeals to toddlers.

>>84784628
There's no jumping through a lot of hoops...having them in the same canon makes things feel like they're affecting each other.

Since you can't read obviously, they share a universe even if they're kind of independent because:

>they just add flavor to one another
>add flavor
>flavor

They might have team ups in the universe, maybe not, but what it really does is make it feel like the world is actually alive rather than telling fans that "oh yeah, this show really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of other heroes, and it's getting rebooted into another show and then another movie after that".

>>84784670
The movie staff never said they have no idea what the show is doing. Supposedly the movie was supposed to be phase 4, but there's been no set up whatsoever in the other movies and they realized no movie goer would recognize them, so they said, "Hey, maybe they'd be better for a TV show." Maybe they didn't fully know the TV show's plan, but they gave ample, ample time to readjust or cancel if need be. It's not like Marvel was deep into production.

The SHIELD being destroyed thing was a bit last minute but it mostly worked out, and otherwise the universe is okay. A SHIELD series would be stupid without the movies anyway.

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>>84783304
>>84784714
Wait, his name's Ezra? I got confused there for a moment

>>84784781
Fair enough. I'm not a writer over at DC, I'm sure they'd make it work. But a multiverse Barry crossover would be cool too.

>>84784665
It's awesome. I like it.

I wish they would give him blonde hairs. But nope. This discrimination against blandes need to be stopped.

>>84784781
I also feel like even with the bigger budget, movie Barry won't be as fast as TV Barry

>>84783797
>>84783491
>>84783304
Jesus Christ he is not a Wally hybrid and neither is CW Flash.

Barry is a spergy whitebread dork who is loveably awkward

Wally is a cocky flirt who is charmingly douchey

Being amusing for two different reasons doesn't make them the same characters.

Even the way they do science is different. Barry is that Jee golly wilikers absent minded professor type while Wally is your asshole scientist archetype in the vein of House or Sherlock.
Barry Allen drinks milk and reads comics

Wally West buys a van to pick up chicks.

It's like confusing Will with Carlton they are funny for opposite reasons!

>>84784808
Tell me even 1 Wally like aspect of this Flash we saw in the JL trailer

>>84784883
What, you don't like how any color, be it hair or costume, gets washed away?

>>84784665
I hate it, he looks like a Power Rangers reject, even more than Civil War Black Panther since at least he was able to pull it off.

The helmet's alright though.

>>84784919
It's too late for Justice League but I hope they reveal in his solo that he has always had blonde hairs and he just colors them black.

>>84784665
I always like the armor-like superhero suits.

I don't like the ears (show did it better with lightning bolts) and the fact that his Speed Force lightning is blue for no reason.

>Grant Gustin - "Oh sick, I haven’t seen it [is handed phone displaying Justice League image]… They’re completely different. Yeah, I mean I was kind of expecting this, I heard it was going to be kind of like Injustice. I hadn’t seen this yet, what else is out. Sorry I’m scrolling through the whole thing, I haven’t seen this picture. Yeah, that’s sick. Um… yeah, it’s sick. I’m glad it’s really different though [laughs]. Because ours is like a street, vintage feel that I don’t think has been done in any other version of the character."

Do you think he was bitter?

>>84784820
But that would be vastly limiting for everyone. Gotham Supergirl big chunks of Arrow (including The good parts) and pretty much every character they do wouldn't work if they had to make everything one DCU. Especially because they have going on a dozen shows coming out. Would Powerless really work in the Snyderverse.
>Hey we have this funny Green Lantern Joke
>Sorry he doesn't exist until 2020

Imagine that multiplied by 200.

The my shows work because they take advantage Marvel's "islands" of sub verses that overlap a bit. Daredevil fucking around won't really mess with The Avenger but you can't do that when your shows and movies are using the same character base.

You would vastly cripple the crew especially because the lead times for film and tv are so different.

A multiverde is the best solution they can do, where they can cross over the stuff they can without having to force anything.

Perfect example with Supergirl. Supergirl by definition means Superman and a Superman who has been Supermanning for a while, that literally is impossible given how the Arrowverse is. Ic they were the same universe you would either have to retatdly say Superman was off Supermanning in a world just got it's superheroes or you would have to heavily write him out of Super girl. For example by just making her Clark's role.

A multiverse let's them crossover when they want without every plot point on every show having to vet with every other plot point.

The mcu works because it's serial. One event after the other, with the tv shows flowing in between the gaps.

That does not hold up when you have 15 different stories on different networks with different crews all doing different things.

Hell it would be embargoes but worse, you think we would be getting the Legion of Doom this season if everything was in the dcu? Or Martian fucking Manhunter? Or the JSA? Or Starro?

Think for A second man

>>84785051
>Do you think he was bitter?
After Cavanagh, of all people, made a whole rant about how they should have chosen Gustin as the Flash for DCEU? Yeah, probably.

>>84785051
Maybe? He was really well received as a character from a really well received series, only for them to recast the same character for a higher salary role.

Its like voicing Bugs Bunny in a cartoon, only for them to use a different VA for the movie even though you did great.

He might also be an actual Flash fan and hated the shit but didn't want to seem too negative

>>84783304
>implying a jewish squeaker is the perfect barry/wally hybrid
Nice blog op.
>>84785051
>Do you think he was bitter?
No because when this movie bombs he'll still be on the air as the better Flash.

>>84785131
That's why instead of pushing out a billion retarded shows with no connection to each other like DC, they consolidate them mostly on one network and communicate (mostly) what they plan to do to figure out what works and what doesn't. It's also why they choose carefully what superheroes should be on screen and which ones shouldn't, and why they put the Inhumans together with another show.

Just because DC is fucking utterly retarded with how their shows work doesn't mean it's not possible to create a functioning universe with shows and movies. Marvel has done it, and they push out shows that can work within canon and plan how they fit in, rather than DC's 'hey that sounds cool, let's just make a show out of it and say it's all a multiverse!'

>>84783797
>but Ezra is playing the role a lot, lot goofier than Grant

Grant Gustin plays Flash as a dork too.

>So they could throw the fans a bit of a bone instead of pulling the old 'tv show aren't canon and thus don't really matter' and have him be Wally.

It's not that "the tv shows aren't canon" it's "the TV shows exist in a different universe". Do you even Hypercrisis, anon.

>>84785198
This.

Flash TV series isn't going anywhere, and they at least act like they give a fuck about the Flash.

He's still probably a bit irritated that he wasn't able to be the Flash in the film universe, so he could get a bigger salary as well as see his character with a bigger budget.
But I imagine it also has to do with how well the TV series is doing. No matter what happens with the films, it'll still be well received and prosperous, and if they had casted Gustin then his salary in the show would've increased by a lot and filming would have to work around the films.

>>84785275
They're never going to cross over, so you can say 'they just in different universes anon!' all you want but it means jack shit. It's just two ways to make money off Flash for DC instead of one.

>>84785309

Yeah but forcing them into the same continuity causes more problems that it will solve. This is better than having to juggle the exposure from two different production teams and inevitably fucking over one in favor of the other.

>>84785222
So instead of a variety of shows on various networks that for there time and artistic sensibilities you would have just a hand full of Snyderverse spinoffs?

Why what would be the point, how would that increase quality.

All you are doing is stopping people from doing anything.

Especially because the DCEU is a very early DC the TV shows would basically have nothing to work with. Gotham maybe as a prequel but its hands tied all around.

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>>84784903
>>84784903
Yeah, Wally acts more like Kirk while Barry is more...Chekov in the reboots?

That being said Wally would make an amazing foil to Barry as a friend in solo movies. I have been digging what Rebirth did to their relationship.

>>84784911
IMHO Barry's relationship with Bruce is a lot closer to Wally's. The age & power gap in their interactions are too much.

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>>84783304
>introverted
>smart
These are the fearutes that Wally dosen't have yet normies will shit on this take for being like Wally and "not muh Barry"

>>84785309
>They're never going to cross over
why do they have to cross over?

>>84785351
No, DC is fucking doomed unless they cancel all their shows and start from scratch, which is stupid because there's some good stuff.

I don't trust them to not go balls to the wall retarded and fuck it up again so they might as well keep what they have.

All I was saying was that it's very possible to do a show/movie universe. Marvel's done it.

>le Barry/Wally hybrid meme
He's clearly Dick Grayson with speed powers

>>84785397
They don't, but when anons say 'they don't need to be canon, they're all multiverses!' that only really means something if they contact one another.

Otherwise they're just two separate shows sharing somewhat common elements.

>>84785355
>I have been digging what Rebirth did to their relationship.

Same here. Nice to see the writers have a good handle on how to differentiate them right off the bat.

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>>84785051
>WHAAAAAA THEY'RE MAKING A BETTER FLASH, TOM HELP ME PLEASE
Jesus, calm down Grant

>>84785415

Dick Grayson has more in common with Wally than Barry though. Hell, they're best buddies.

>>84785340
Oh yeah trying to ocmbine them would be a disaster.

It just must suck to be Gustin and know that DC is going to focus all their attention on marketing Ezra's Flash, and that's going to be what the normal fans conisder the 'true' Flash when it's obvious Gustin has put so much work into the character

>>84785293
>He's still probably a bit irritated that he wasn't able to be the Flash in the film universe,
I don't get that from him in interviews. He's more like "oh well" and he knows Snyder universe is different from what they do on their show. If they casted him in the movie it would connect the tv show with the movies which they don't want to do.

Gustin is going to be sitting pretty after the Flash concludes so it isn't all about money anyway. He'll be making residuals if Flash goes into syndication.

>>84785474

I'm not sure about it. Both doesn't look like Barry but something about Gustin's aura still carries some of Barry. Whereas Ezra is a downright Peter Parker rip-off.

I hope they kill off Ezra in a sequel so Wally can improve on the work.

>>84785585
>Whereas Ezra is a downright Peter Parker rip-off.
Kek people said the exact fucking same thing about Gustin during he pilot.

>>84785340
Especially because it would force the tv and file to compete over every major character.

>We wanna do Ras
No we are doing him like this for the movies
>We wanna do Reverse Flash
No he is totally different in my screenplay
>We wanna do a superhero office com
There are only three superheroes in the world, No.

>Hey Gotham city show

Hell no, we can't let you use up the backstoties of our biggest brand

>Multiverse
No
>Suicide Squad
No
>Katanna, Green Lantern, Aquaman,Vandal Savage,supergirl,The Legion of Superheroes,Martian Manhunter,the JAS

Nononononononerino


Even if the shows have good and bad parts saying they should be able to do anything at all is stupid especially since they came out the best part of a decade before the DCEU picked up, they wouldn't be able to anything because the DCEU had one public hero and all the major lore was tied up in movies many years in advance

We wouldn't even HAVE a Flash. Or a Supergirl. Or Gotham.

>>84785620

I think it's mostly because of the continual use of a younger Barry who's just starting out as a hero. If he's been the Flash in costume for a few years and they showed him in a more professional role then those comparisons wouldn't be made.

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>>84785620
Ezra managed to make Barry sound even more socially inept than Grant did, which is an accomplishment. Also I don't think Grant didn't make a big deal about not having friends, he was more obsessed about Iris.

That being said, this is the perfect set up for Wally to come in and be a partner to him. >>84785415
>Dick Grayson

We're saying Wally is actually a cool guy and you pick up a character who is even COOLER in-universe.

You couldn't have picked a worse comparison mate. Tim Drake makes a lot more sense than Dick.

>>84785400
I know. I am saying that would be a bad idea.
Notice Marvel didnt do my shows until AFTER Avengers and all the big names were already in film series so the shows could play around on the edges of the universe

That wouldn't work for the DCEU. None of the shows could have been made because they all use lore from stuff like Flash Superman Batman and Justice Leauge that wouldn't be able to be done until all those movies were out.

Teen Titans The Batman and the DCAU didn't need to be in the same universe to be good but they still causes issue for eaachother when using the same characters.

Making everything DCEU would just make that worse.

You at trying to make shows based around scripts pilots drafts drafts pitched not even don yet for films the Better part I a decade away that aren't even that good.


Superior and Flash wouldn't work together and that's just one connection. You increase that exponentially with every new property.

Between ten films and 12 or so shows all years apart on different schedules and different platforms with different crews you would be crippled.

There is a reason marvel only had two shows on tv that were very light in comic book stuff.

Netflix for around by this by basically mirroring the mix with serial film releases replaced with serials of tv shows


The mcu was a narrow and specific set of circumstances that DC could not really are. And really why would they?

Marvel tv is pretty mediocre aside from 2 ish Netflix shows. They cancelled half there broad cast shows (by that I mean one show because they only had TWO) and hell, now they are doing a DC show.

Dc strategy for tv is overwhelming successful they have six shows thriving on in on network and many more across the gambit and many more en route

Marvel tv is anemic, precisely because of the logistic concerns we discussed.

Netflix is really there only saving grace because the model dovetails so nicely

>>84785931
And of those 'thriving shows' outside of Flash and Gotham, they're all fucking shit, and Flash even has its ups and downs and Gotham has only gotten good recently. DC shows are extremely, extremely inconsistent in terms of quality because everyone's just doing their own thing because DC does not give a single fuck.

Meanwhile, while Agent Carter was decent, it was cancelled and Agents of SHIELD was kind of mediocre. But all of their Netflix shows are critical darlings, faithful to the source material, and are intertwined well and I'm pretty sure all of them are going to be good because Marvel oversees their shows and tries to make them decent.

Also, what logistic concerns? What anemia? All of their shows, at least on Netflix, have been well produced and there's more in sight with Punisher, Jessica Jones season 2, Defenders, Iron Fist, Luke Cage. That matches up easily with DC's lineup and considering the shit populating that market if all of them are at least only decent they beat out DC. And Marvel has a very good track record on Netflix.

Only recently has DC realized the fucked up, but they're too far gone now and just let their fuck up of a show lineup still exist.

DC Has Arrow,Gotham,The Flash, iZombie,Supergirl, Legends of Tommorow, Lucifer and Preacher out now with Powerless, Scapled and Krypton coming out. Add ten shows in development and you see a diverse and helathy slate of shows.

Cry "they all suck" all you want but you cant objectvly measure taste. DC has shown that it can manage a suite of healthy shows that can fin audiences, become profitable and not get cancled on a multitude of shows AND that many more networks are interested in the brand.

Marvel as Agents of Shield on abc and there Netflix shows. Thats it.

From any empiracle rubric DCTV is doing significantly better that Marvel.

The idea that a Disney network would produce a dc comics show is so unthinkable Greg Weisman himself used that very scenario as a doomsday option to get Young Justice made. Disney itself probabaly noticed this which is why its liscneing out those xmen shows with Fox.

The Movie/Tv shared universe thing is trending towards a failed experiment, at least failed at the scale Disney was going for.

They probabaly could just stick to films and netflix as the "two prongs" of the MCU each with there own phases and weaving in and out of eachother and leave broadcast tv to indepent series like these fox xmen ones.

That may be there plan as it is, with aos just a vestigal organ of a failed gambit.

This is good .bad ideas fail so we can turn to good ones. trial and error is key to iteration.

Dc has learned somethings on how to handle movies better like Marvel, Marvel has learned some things on how to handle tv shows better like DC. iron sharpens iron and the end result is there competition leads to us getting a better product.

This is art and capitalism working together in harmony improving both craft and coffer.

>>84786146

The only one that's COMPLETE shit is Arrow.

Flash really squandered a lot of goodwill in S2 and Legends was really disappointing, but both of them have worthwhile aspects.

I liked Supergirl. Fight me.

>>84786243
I didn't even dislike Supergirl, it's just extremely, extremely forgettable. She works better as a movie character, easily.

>>84784665

nah dude, I'm with you. I'm usually really against overdesigned suits but I totally get the design for the flash costume. it kind of seperates him from the other heroes while showing off his incredible skill in right about everything (because he can learn fast as a motherfucker)

people can hate all they want but it's not bad

funny thing is they will probably make the suit more simple in the flash movies but everyone will shit talk anyway. I like evolving suits throughout movies

>>84786234
You call what DC does handling their shows well? They throw darts at a wall and see what sticks. If it's unprofitable they cancel it even if it's good, if it brings in the cash they keep it even if it's utter shit (cough cough Arrow).

This isn't good for the consumer at all, we're given a list of shit and have to pick and choose what decent ones exist, if they do at all, while DC's subhired developers throw darts at the wall again.

Marvel wizened up, put most of their stuff on one network, slow down the development to try to make it decent, and remain faithful to the source material.

DC shows (while some are interesting) just seem to be making up shit as they go along. Half the stories are jumbled, the arcs make no sense, and characters act awfully written have the time.

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>>84785931

> make a tv show about a character who has multiple popular versions
> instead they insist on using the same character

it's just dc being autistic as usual.

>>84786370
>people can hate all they want but it's not bad

There's only a couple things I don't like about it

>black material in between panels gives it some really weird looking composition
>headpiece fits too tightly and is too smooth, it needs more dimension

Other than that, it's not complete shit, and I actually like it better than the CW's leather suit.

>>84786274
Supergirl needed a bigger budget.
Acting and characters were fine, but the costumes/bodies and sets were laughable.

>>84786234
>From any empiracle rubric

christ

>>84786532

Yeah for a show that's all about punching aliens in the face, it needs some more convincing effects CGI. Practical make-ups and suits for the most part are pretty good for a TV budget though.

>>84784492
never seen Tom Cavanagh turn in a bad performance

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>>84784414
>There's something called ACTING, and Gustin can't do it.

Ok that's bullshit

he make me cry every time

CW shows suck ass and shouldn't go anywhere near the DCEU. End of story. Sure you may like all the cameos and whatnot, but the acting, direction, and tone aren't good for cinema. Hell I already like Erza Barry more, you know why? Because he's actually smart enough to work alone

>>84786575
The show has a load of potential, and everyone involved seems like they're properly invested in the show.

But fightscenes, like the ones with Red Tornado, just show how much this show suffers with such a small budget and mediocre choreograhpy.
Honestly hope season 2 fixes this, seeing how I quite enjoyed season 1 despite it's flaws.

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>>84783304

He reminded me too much of that damn Lex Luthor

his whole demeanor and his voice and the awkward soft way he talks and shit

>>84786495

>black material in between panels gives it some really weird looking composition

yeah, a lot of people hate that. the thing is, I like it because it's finally something different in terms of colour. also, like I already said, nobody considers that the colours will probably change in later movies. why not get something pretty new colour wise (the suit is pretty much injustice-like) before we go back to the comics in his solo movies?

>headpiece fits too tightly and is too smooth, it needs more dimension

I feel like the head piece is the best part about the suit. I like its fit although I'm not yet sold on the ears unfortunately

>>84786747
Exactly.
It's a smaller leap for his character to make, but it's still out of place and weird.

>>84785397

And what says they won't? Johns is in charge now and he loves multiversal bullshit and both the show staff and Ezra Miller's want to do it.

The embargoing is also pretty much gone now.

>>84786747
>his whole demeanor and his voice and the awkward soft way he talks and shit

I liked it a lot. Eisenberg's Luthor is super twitchy bordering on manic. The way Ezra delivers his line, he's clearly awkward, but the pauses make it seem like he's more thoughtful and honest.

>>84786667

not the guy you quoted but all of the CW cast except for the Joe actor are pretty mediocre

also, the sad scenes with gustin always rely on other actors to actually conjure some emotions. a good actor would be able to do it alone

>>84784665
It looks like crap. It is like they really were trying to make an iron man costume but they gave up in the middle of it. Also the speedforce looks like shit.

>>84784445
>It'd make people shut up about the TV/Movie crossovers, it'd make the executives look less petty, and it'd be an extra little nod to there being stuff outside of the movies going on.

It'd cost a small fortune, because those actors would be playing their established characters in a movie, which triggers much bigger payments than just hiring extras to film no lines in a scene that you would probably cut for time anyway.

I get where you're coming from here but it's not practical. It's no good saying "but movies have huge budgets" either - there's having a huge budget, and there's having no control over spending whatsoever. You have to draw the line somewhere, and it's always going to upset someone that you drew it where you did. Frankly, by the time they were filming they knew that AoS wasn't getting movie-level audiences or anything like, so the crossover wouldn't have paid for itself - the show couldn't afford to do it either.

This is before you get to the problems over rights and payments arising from sales of the movie - it's an ABC show, so maybe they own those characters to some degree, and we all know Marvel has enough problems with shared characters and other production companies holding their rights hostage already. It's true that a crossover one way has been made, but it's also true that the movie characters were probably leased on a per-episode basis with the exception of Coulson, who no longer appears in Marvel movies. If you think about the reverse of that - ABC-owned or part-owned characters being leased to Marvel to appear in Marvel movies would probably entitle ABC to a cut of the profits of those movies. You can see why they wouldn't do that, especially since AoS doesn't have a huge audience to offer.

>>84786822
>Also the speedforce looks like shit.

You take that back. I love the lightning blowing up everywhere anytime he uses super speed.

>>84786813
>calling Tom mediocre

To each his/her own, but I thought he was fucking great in season 1.

>>84786721
Yes because DCEU has so many awesome products like man of murder and martha vs martha. Trully the CW shows are too good for the DCEU.

>>84786667
People underestimate Grant and Amell. They had some great scenes in FS2 and AS4. Especially when Barry was talking when Wells is behind the window and when Ollie and Lance where arguing.

>>84786869

Tom was great in Season 2 as well. It was amazing too how he slipped from "gruff but well-meaning scientist" Harrison Wells in S2 into playing Eobard Thawne again in the episode where Barry goes back in time.

>>84784665
It's growing on me, not sold on the wires but overall solid in my book
>white logo
>Ears aren't decals like cap
>plates honestly make more sense than fabric
So yeah I already like it more than the concept art

>>84786370
>funny thing is they will probably make the suit more simple in the flash movies but everyone will shit talk anyway.
Because it will probably still look like shit.

>>84786862
It is literally lighthing. Like they cannot allow colour in the movie, so instead of giving him the yellow speedforce that works so well with the red suit, he has that awful blue one that tries really hard to be "realistic".

>>84786800
>Johns is in charge now and he loves multiversal bullshit and both the show staff and Ezra Miller's want to do it.

So you're content to believe that Johns will be the good kind of meddling executive, not the other kind that everybody complains about?

Which of his relevant movie-level producer credits fills you with more confidence, Green Lantern or Batman Overshadows Superman?

>>84785931
I know. I am saying that would be a bad idea.
Notice Marvel didnt do mcu shows until AFTER Avengers and all the big names were already in film series so the shows could play around on the edges of the universe

That wouldn't work for the DCEU. None of the shows could have been made because they all use lore from stuff like Flash Superman Batman and Justice Leauge that wouldn't be able to be done until all those movies were out.

Teen Titans The Batman and the DCAU didn't need to be in the same universe to be good but they still caused issues for each other when using the same characters.

Making everything DCEU would just make that worse.

You at trying to make shows based around scripts pilots drafts and pitches not even done yet for films the Better part of a decade away that aren't even that good.

Super Girl and Flash wouldn't work together and that's just one connection. You increase that exponentially with every new property.

Between ten films and 12 or so shows all years apart on different schedules and different platforms with different crews you would be crippled.

There is a reason marvel only had two shows on tv that were very light in comic book stuff.

Netflix form around by this by basically mirroring the mcu with serial film releases replaced with serials of tv shows


The mcu was a narrow and specific set of circumstances that DC could not really ape. And really why would they?

Marvel tv is pretty mediocre aside from 2 ish Netflix shows. They cancelled half there broadcast shows (by that I mean one show because they only had TWO) and hell, now they are doing a DC show.

Dc strategy for tv is overwhelming successful they have six shows thriving on one network and many more across the gambit and many more en route

Marvel tv is anemic, precisely because of the logistic concerns we discussed.

Netflix is really there only saving grace because the model dovetails so nicely with what they do already

>fucking autocorrect

>>84786897
I'll grant you that one.
I'm not the biggest fan of Earth-2 Wells, but the Thawne-Wells episode was absolutely the best of the entire season.

Remember when Snyder said they couldn't use Grant because he was really particular about the film and CW Flash want the right tonal fit?

>>84786933
>plates honestly make more sense than fabric
They really don't. The speedforce protects barry better than any armor. The armor serves not propouse and would get in the way of running.

>>84786146
He literally just pointed out all the logistic concerns that are the reason WHY MCU Netflix are they only consistently good Marvel tv shows. You are proving the point. The shared tv/universe model doesnt work when linking broadcast shows with films

>>84786881
Look I'm not going to pretend the DCEU is in a good state, but you're fucking high if you believe CW actors or their shit universe would translate well. You put this shit on a pedestal because it's the only live action portrayals available right now. Flash is fun, but still has issues. Arrow was never good, it just grew worse

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>>84786977

Yes

he was the one who decided Gustin wasn't depressing and gritty enough to fit into his master vision

and then reviews shit all over BvS and the studio was like "Snyder you faggot fix your shit or you're out of here"

>>84787007
Agents of SHIELD was mostly okay, and Agent Carter was very good backstory. Low ratings screwed them over but they fit well into the universe.

>>84786980

New 52 Flash had a suit made up of metal plates because when he runs the speed force energy he generates attracts the plates to each other and form the suit.

That and it looks fucking cool.

>>84786869

sorry, I was only talking about good actors. while I like tom's performance, he is overacting way too hard.

>voice drops
>overacting the creepy part
>"run barry.... run!"

I enjoyed him very much in season 1 too, in season 2 not so much. he is a nice tv actor but should be nowhere near movies

>>84786822

the speedforce looks like shit? it actually looks pretty neat, especially considering that it's a new take on the speed force, which is risky most of the time

>>84786936

way to be contrarian just for the sake of it

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>watch batman v superman
>lex luthor is acting like the joker with ADHD
>watch justice league trailer
>flash is acting like a teen with ADHD
>mfw zack snyder does it again

>>84787181
>it's a new take on the speed force

Not really. Lightning's been used to denote Speed Force shit for awhile now.

>>84786385
>You call what DC does handling their shows well? They throw darts at a wall and see what sticks. If it's unprofitable they cancel it even if it's good, if it brings in the cash they keep it even if it's utter shit (cough cough Arrow).
That is literally what iteration means yes. DC goes wide, what finds an audience sticks and grows what doesnt falls by the wayside and they try something different. Thats what you are supposed to do , thats why DCTV is so strong. Even if YOU dont like these shows enough people do that DC is keeping seven on the air, got three more ordered and is making TEN more as we speak. At the end of the day DCTV is objectively more successful than MarvelTV, If it werent for Netflix it would be one vs TEN!

Why would DC go to a buisness model that is of less quality? What they are doing is working, end of story. I could understand your arguement that Dc was doing something wrong if they were failing all over the place but since Dc started doing this they have had one cancellation. A 90% success rate and a portfolio diversified across 8 channels and counting is not something you can easily argue is a failure, especially compared to a competitor that not only is less successful but who has actively moved into there model.

How can you claim DCTV should act more like Disney when Disney is canceling there own shows and ordering DC ones? I'm not even trying to do a company wars thing I only watch Flash but I really question your business sense.

>>84787181
>the speedforce looks like shit? it actually looks pretty neat
The non-yellow lightning looks incredibly bad with the red costume.

>way to be contrarian just for the sake of it
I'm being realistic, there is no reason to believe that the Flash costume wont continue to look terrible.

>>84787220

I've actually never seen it being like the lightning used in the movies

not considering the blue lightning, which is usually red or yellow depending on the flash at hand, this lightning looks like it actually affects the environment

>>84787181
>I was only talking about good actors
>it's a new take on the speed force
(what the fuck is even up with this comment, it's just a blue N52 speedforce effect, the color is literally the only change)
>way to be contrarian

Here's another (You), bait better to get more.

>>84787282

you really think so? I mean I had to get used to it too, but it offers a great contrast to the red suit in my eyes

>>84787282

so what if they actually make a comic-accurate costume, totally in red and non-armoury?

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>>84783336
is there any legal/licensing deal with the network that would prevent it? people would genuinely lose their shit, and it would be a completely different direction than marvel's taking

>>84787326

didn't read the N52 yet. does the lightning affect lights etc in the N52 universe too?

>Here's another (You), bait better to get more.

not baiting, I just don't like people not giving any reasons for why they totally hate something, yet still don't stop to visit threads about it

>>84787207
But everyone loves it now, for some reason.

Maybe people think it fits better, I don't know, but I fucking hate it.

>>84785051
Even though DC hasn't, he and Miller have been really mutually respectful.

>>84787390
>I hate shitposting and strong opinions on 4chan

at least try my man

>>84787363

I remember someone stating in an interview that the movies and tv shows are just in different dimensions

I don't think there is legal shit preventing them from it. I feel like they MIGHT do it in a few years when they have told all necessary stories in the DCMU and run out of ideas except for hyper crisis

>>84787341
>so what if they actually make a comic-accurate costume, totally in red and non-armoury?
Then I would be proven wrong and I'd be glad, that most likely wont happen though.

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>>84783304
>don't want to get hyped for Justice League after getting burned out on BvS... But
You fool.

>>84784903
>It's like confusing Will with Carlton they are funny for opposite reasons!

finally someone gets it

>>84787434

just because everybody shitposts doesn't mean that I can't speak out against it. it's like you'd eat every piece of shit offered to you

because of people like you who never give other people bullshit about stuff like that, nobody changes their attitudes. you'd be surprised how civilised conversations on /co/ can actually be

>>84783304
I can't wait for flash and Batman to have sex because it enhances the plot

>>84787448

I feel like the suits in the DCMU so far have been handled way better than any other superhero franchise yet

>great superman costumes
>goat-tier batman costumes
>great wonder woman costume
>great aquaman costume (actually thought they wouldn't give him a full body costume in JL)
>nice flash costume
>weird-as-fuck, yet good looking cyborg costume IF they manage to make the CGI better

only problem I would personally see is the cyborg costume. the CGI looks very unfinished

>>84787261
>Why would DC go to a buisness model that is of less quality?
>less quality
Their model is of less quality. How many shows they cancel is irrelevant. As we can clearly see with Arrow, they love pandering and ratings, not quality. They're doing the same shit over and over again.

You haven't once argued the quality of their shows, you're just saying "oh yeah they've got a bunch of shows and only one cancellation" as if that's somehow a good thing.

This isn't about business sense, this is about DC just throwing shit left and right without any regards to continuity or quality. And fun fact, Marvel's only cancelled Agent Carter.

Agents of SHIELD is still going strong, hell they're getting Ghost Rider next season.

Also what fucking DC show are you saying Disney is making?

>>84787568
>>great superman costumes
I greatly disagree.
>>nice flash costume
This too.
>>weird-as-fuck, yet good looking cyborg costume IF they manage to make the CGI better
This as well but that's mostly because Cyborg has never looked good.

>>84787403
Barry has always been a nigh embarrassing earnest nerd. It's fine when it's in character.

This is the guy who named himself after a comic book character as an adult.

>takes one step with super speed
>EXPLOSIOOOOONS

What I'm wondering now is, who will be the definitive live-action Flash of the the younger generation, Grant or Ezra? 20 years from now, who will the kids and teens of today be talking about when they say Barry's name? Will there be intense debates and shitposting on 2036 /co/ as to who was the better Flash?

>>84787714
I don't really see that happening. No one is having Routh vs Welling vs Cain debates now at least. Or even Hartley vs Amell. Nor do we really compare even animated versions.

That's only a thing that seems to happen with Batman actors.

>>84784665
>>84784665
I like it too.

>>84787838

I didn't like it at first, but it's grown on me. It's not the worst design they could've gone with.

>>84787635

>I greatly disagree.

don't tell me it's because of the underwear. I get nostalgiafags who want to see the underwear but everything else about the suit is spot on

>This as well but that's mostly because Cyborg has never looked good

what would you change about him? I liked most of his costumes so far. also, his costume makes sense since it comes from the motherbox. that way, the design makes totally sense

>>84787980
>don't tell me it's because of the underwear. I get nostalgiafags who want to see the underwear but everything else about the suit is spot on
It's way too blue around that area, the red underwear would be the easiest fix for it. Also the wrists look bad, like scrunched up plastic, and I'm not a fan of the little dots all over the costume.

>what would you change about him? I liked most of his costumes so far. also, his costume makes sense since it comes from the motherbox. that way, the design makes totally sense
I'm convinced it's impossible to make Cyborg look good, I cannot imagine a design of him with the half-face (which you can't get rid of since that's the most recognizable thing about him) that looks good.

>>84787980
you don't need underwear but you need something to break up the blue and the weird gray part doesn't do it well enough. Should have a proper belt at least.

I still think of all the redesigns we've gotten lately only early new52's Earth-2 Superman design managed to replace the trunks well. Smallville S11 was also kind of ok.

>>84784665
I honestly like it. I don't want to be that guy spouting "it's more practical than tights" but that's legit how I feel. I know the speedforce allows for any kind of bullshit excuse, but it makes sense to me that he would need protection for sudden impacts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglkYMGRYlE

>5000 dislikes
>read comments
>most of them are retards who ask why no Grant Gastin and couldn't gasp the concept of different iterations

So we've found a fanbase worse than marvel

>>84788548
Normies have been getting into NOT MUH a lot lately, remember all that Hydra Cap outrage? It's cute that they're catching up.

>>84786949

He was told to shut it during FL and Snyder not listening during BVS is why he is in charge.

>>84788548

They were why the embargos existed. Because they said it was confusing to have a show and a movie. This is shit most of us could follow at age five.

It's really just the fags who think the movies are the definitive canon too.

Miller's jawline is so good it makes me angry.

>>84785051
Was probably laughing at the costume, buy yeah.

Im kinda interested on how they'll tackle Captain Cold's costume now. Im expecting next gen military grade arctic survival gear or something considering how powerful his gun is

>>84788316

>It's way too blue around that area

what colour would you rather have? it looks much more like a uniform that way

>Also the wrists look bad, like scrunched up plastic

I know what you mean. it does kind of look a bit like plastic

>I'm not a fan of the little dots all over the costume

I think they're supposed to be kryptonian symbols which I think is great. considering all your arguments, I would never think that you found the costume "terrible"

>I'm convinced it's impossible to make Cyborg look good

I kind of immediately liked the design back when the teen titans show aired. it's over the top and offworldish, I can dig that

>>84788388

>Should have a proper belt at least

don't agree with the underwear but I do agree with the belt. don't understand why they only put a buckle in the middle without a belt-like thingy around it

>Smallville S11 was also kind of ok.

yeah, that one was pretty great

>>84789852
>what colour would you rather have?
It needs some red around his waist
>it looks much more like a uniform that way
It looks like shitty alien pajamas.
>I think they're supposed to be kryptonian symbols which I think is great. considering all your arguments, I would never think that you found the costume "terrible"
The dots look bad, it's too blue, the weird alien "belt"(?) looks incredibly bad. The red around Superman's waist is an incredibly important part of making the costume look good, having no red there is like having no "S" shield.

>>84787584
Quality is subjective you cant argue taste so I'm not going to. The only thing you can argue are the hard facts, which show dctv is outright more successful than marvel tv.

abc is doing unfollow.

I mean you could try to measure critical acclaim in which case you are comparing three shows to seven aos isnt well critically regarded Aka and Daredevil are (s2 less so) Flash Gotham and Supergirl are also pretty liked. Although internet mediaatings are far from a hard science (re: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ghostbusters-is-a-perfect-example-of-how-internet-ratings-are-broken/ )

My overall point is you really havent argued why shifting to Marvel's tv model would be a good thing for DC to do when my all measures they would be giving up a lot for not much in return and may actually wind up worse off.

Besides they can always just do netflix show spinoffs after Jl comes out so why force all there shows into a setting that is barely developed? You shouldn't do something just to do it, you have to weight the hard benefits which there arent that many when you look at it.

Even critically the Marvel tv shows most liked are the ones MOST removed from the films. Daredevil and Jessica Jones really function without any direct mcu ties while the shows built hardcore into the mcu films failed and were critically tepid the both of them.In fact Jessica Jones wasnt even an MCU show, it just got slotted into the spot due to the Netflix deal. And the film and tv branches arent in the same worldbuilding process anyway. the shows just write around the background of the films and recast characters. In fact the Netflix shows crossing with eachother but not the films is a lot closer to the Arrowverse functioning than anything else

I'm not seeing a financial or critical gain to compensate for making almost all of there shows non functional.

>>84790080

>It needs some red around his waist

I could actually live with red at the hips (to the middle of the legs)

>It looks like shitty alien pajamas

well, that's pretty much what it is to some extent.... underarmors (for fitness etc.) basically look like pyjamas as well

>having no red there is like having no "S" shield.

now you're just blatantly exaggerating. the red is nowhere near as important as the "S". the underwear just doesn't make sense anymore and people don't want to let go of that. and this comes from a huge superman fan

>>84784665
I prefer the HENSHIN armor from the New 52 not this bulky robot looking stuff

>>84790196
>now you're just blatantly exaggerating. the red is nowhere near as important as the "S". the underwear just doesn't make sense anymore and people don't want to let go of that. and this comes from a huge superman fan
This isn't about the shorts, this is about him needing red to break up the blue. Without any red there the whole thing looks incomplete, just like it would without the "S".

>>84790258

I always felt like the cape and the boots broke up the blue. that way, there's plenty of red

>>84784042
Netflix stuff works precisely BECAUSE of how little they interfere. That doesnt work for Dc's stuff or aos because you have the films eating up all the characters and lore and concept leaving you to do basically nothing

>>84783304
BRING BACK JOJIVLOGS

>>84787655
>Ezra Flash named himself after the popular character from the Cw show

Honestly I half expected CW to be airing in his flash cave

>>84790295
The boots break up the blue around his feet, the "S" shield breaks up the blue around his chest, the cape breaks up the blue around his back. Without anything breaking up the blue for his waist he looks incomplete.

>>84790216

If he actually does the old-fashioned transformation where runs into the suit (whether it comes from a ring or not) I will forgive a lot about this design.

>>84790388
That would be good, could play like Superman Secret Identity where everyone makes jokes about him being the Flash and then he actually gets powers one day.

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>mfw Ezra Miller is cousins with Joji "FilthyFrank" Miller

that explains ezra being typecast as crazy autists

>>84784414
>implying gadot, cavill and afflecki can act

They're shit too.

>>84790402

the red coming from the cape pretty much breaks up the blue all around his body though. that's how coats etc work

>>84790637

is that a fucking joke? I just tried to look frank up and his last name really is miller. what the fuck?

>>84785051
No, he seems like a cool guy about it. Amell was the bitter one.

>>84790910
No it doesn't, a cape doesn't work like a coat unless you can rap it around your entire body like Batman can sometimes, otherwise it's only relevant to your sides and your back.

>>84790970
He's confirmed it on twitter a couple of times

>>84790637
Means he's half japanese as well?

>>84790637
>>84790970
>>84791026

>tfw it's true

jesus fucking CHRIST

>>84790637
>vomit cake
>7 million views

How is it legal? It's fucking garbage on all levels.

>>84791046
Nope, Ezras/the Miller name is from the white side of the family.
George/Jojis mom is Jap I assume

>>84790637
Does he get a cameo?

>>84790637
>both named Miller
>look alike
how did i never make the connection?

>>84790637
>>84790970
>>84791026
>>84791074
>>84791370
https://twitter.com/sushitrash/status/685434862031904768

>>84784830
>Miller
>Bridger
Pottery.

Does anyone else get the vibe that this flash is supposed to be a little autistic? I'm getting major feelings of literal autism, you can hear it in the diolouge.

>>84783509
YOOO I had the gloves and the room protector. My cousin got annoyed by the room thing and ripped it off the wall lol

>>84792127
>mid-20s who sits in a dark room watching cartoons, posting on 4chan and has no friends
>named and fashioned himself after his favourite comic book character
Its pretty obvious

>>84792127
people forget because he's drawn handsome but Barry was always an autist

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>>84783304
I wanna see Boomer fuc-- I mean, fight this Flash.

>>84792367
patrician ship senpai

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>I am a casual
Opinion disregarded