THE. RIDE. NEVER. FUCKING. ENDS. http://io9.gizmodo.com/the

>>84757408
already two threads about this

>>84757408
What are you talking about? This comic is the ride ending.

>>84757408

Maybe they'll kill each other.

>>84757408
I'm glad that shit art is in a comics I have zero intent to buy.

>>84757408
>beating up a 10 year old kid with no powers
Fuckin muties.

when will the hero vs hero meme end

>>84758273
when it stops selling

>>84758273
>when will many different groups of people who see themselves as authorities and have great power agree totally on everything so there is no conflict
Literally never ever

>>84757408
>Magneto vs. Black Bolt
Well, that would be an interesting fight.

>>84759311
No it wouldn't.

Black Bolt should demolish him

>>84757408
Ms Marvel
>I'm going to quit avengers because hero v hero shit but totally going to fight X-men cause Disney says they are villains now
fuck off
and beast will probably side with them to.

Kamala is Inhuman?
Mang

>>84759798
How are you only now finding this out?

>>84759728
>Disney

>>84759798
She's always been an Inhuman, in the sense that Vance Astro is a mutant.

>>84757408
Is it too much to hope that this ends the Inhuman menace for good?

>>84760785
>>84760785
nah, they'll be a few "deaths" on each side, evry other non mutant and inhuman superhero worth a shit will make a cameo apperance or two, there'll be a few "big" revelations and finally the leaders of both factions will be portrayed as assholes, though one will appear to be slightly more of an asshole than the other. Everything'll return to normal and we'll get PoC or gay versions of the characters who "died" so Marvel can make headlines. Then a new big arc will begin

>>84758273
It's the only thing that the House of Recycling Ideas is able to pubblish currently. So i don't see it to stop soon. On the other hand another shitty Vs event, so a less book to buy for me.

I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.

>>84757814
took the words right out of my mouth

>>84762724
same

>>84757408
>no rightclops
>no iceman vs torch

>>84762858
>no iceman vs torch
Literally ends in sex.

Jean ends it all, makes Black Bolt leave his wife, his people and retire in seclusion with four simple words:

Black Bolt, you're gay

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>>84758273
WERE ARE THE VILLAINS? Not metaphorical either! Like were the fuck are the bad guys now!? They can't all be in jail or dead, I haven't seen any super bad ass or even just witty ones that were not the see you tomorrow at work level. Like thanos, loki, and doom have become.

Like besides ghost showing up how many of iron mans actual villains shown up to cause trouble or get away with something?

>>84757408
>medusa not front and center

wasn't expecting that

>>84760785
>Is it too much to hope that this ends the Inhuman menace for good?

It's more likely to end the X-Men for good.

>>84757920
Haha, maybe Moon Girl will get lucky and won't draw Sabertooth when everybody fights. Wait, he's still reversed, so at least he won't eat her.

>>84766897
She looks to be paired off with Storm, the supposed leader of the X-men. That is fitting since they are both ineffectual figureheads that are no one's first choice to lead.

So will that inhuman plot device from CW2 be in this? Or does Mags succeed in murdering the fucboi.

>>84766775
In current Marvel, it always seems that they're the throwaway characters for when the plot needs some breathing time, or they're behind the scenes.

Ultron is back soon, Loki is running for president, Sinister 6 is being hinted to come back,

The other title, X-Men/Inhumans: Terregenocide, is digital first (does not say whenever is an Infinite Comic) and tie-in to the Contest of Champions mobile game.

Notice how all the mutants on the cover were just in the new movie.

Marvel comics isn't even trying anymore

>>84772113
Colossus and Sabretooth weren't in it

>>84772113

what movie was sabretooth in?

>>84772176
Deadpool

>>84758273
never. Human Torch vs Namor was like one of the second MU story they ever published

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>>84757408
I'm sorry OP, but I am hyped for this event, Marvel has been teasing a fight between Mutants and Inhumans for too long now, I am so fucking ready for this fight.

>>84766775
Red Skull still has Xavier's psychic powers and is leading Hydra. Zemo is fucking pissed and plotting to steal Hydra back from him. the Kree and Skrull empires have both fallen and will wipe each other out if Teddy doesn't get into space politics already.

the Brood and Annihilus are plotting...something,

Regent got taken down recently, but due to how abusive his prison was everyone incarcerated at his prison got let out

>>84769410
Ullysses is probably gonna an hero at the end of CWII just to make the nightmare stop

>>84772463
>Xavier's psychic powers
Thought he's dead?
>Zemo is fucking pissed and plotting to steal Hydra back from him
Why isn't red skull mind controlling him?

>>84772639
>Thought he's dead?
he is dead but due to COMIC BOOKS! Red Skull was able to 'steal his brain' and his powers

>why isn't red skull mind controlling him?
After fucking around with his new powers for a bit, Skull realized he gets a massive boner from just convincing people to join his side with rhetoric, which using his powers deprives him of, so he's been very selective about who he mind controls

>>84766775
right now kingpin is starting back up his criminal empire with the help f a inhuman who can't be seen by the future telling kid.

>>84772463
Spencer basically already said Zemo will go good again, he hardly counts

>>84772630
CW2 will end with just being another vision by Ullysses and he offed himself before being contacted by the inhumans to prevent it.

>>84772762
>he is dead but due to COMIC BOOKS! Red Skull was able to 'steal his brain' and his powers
yeah speaking of that, how the fucked did he do that?

>>84772887
I honestly have no idea

>>84757408

>Kamala getting dragged into this shit

That girl will be safer the further she's kept away from this ratings cancer.

>>84772817
>a inhuman who can't be seen by the future telling kid.
Seriously? Ulysses has been operating for a very short period of time, but there is already a guy who is immune to his ability to predict the future via math? How the fuck does that even work?

>>84766775
Titana has upgraded powers now thanks to Hood and is once again on the run with her husband Absorbing Man, Hood is slowly trying to build an army and a network of villains using a mansion hidden in hell some place. Carnage has upgraded powers thanks to the Darkhold Tomb and is being chased around the globe. Black Cat is running the lower levels of the crime rackets in NYC, but it looks like Fisk came back and took his spot again.

>>84772822
this is Zemo we're talking about. 'going good' just means climbing into the Citizen V suit and putting on a pony show

>>84772945
>hidden in hell some place
It's somewhere in Asgard.

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>>84766775
I would love one of these bullshit hero vs hero storylines end with the villains taking over half the planet because the good guys were too busy blasting away at each other.

And then the following event is the villains fighting each other over who gets to rule their new empire.

I will never understand why people have any interest in X-Men.

>>84773034
read Claremont's X-Men to find out why, true believer

>>84773003
Speaking of which, the phoney Enchantress got banished to some realm in Asguard by the real Enchantress.

Kind of wish Illuminati would have lasted beyond Standoff..

>>84773174
>phoney Enchantress
The one from Fearless Defenders?

>>84773174
>real Enchantress
Amora.

>>84773034
>t. Disney shill

>>84772887
It's the same logic that John Sublime used with on the U-Men. They'd dissect mutants and graft the organs that gave them powers into themselves

Xavier's powers were telepathic in nature, it was all in his brain. Like how Martha Johannson can still use her powers even though she's just a brain.

So if by some miracle Xavier's brain could survive even after being murdered by Dark Phoeniclops, and a fucking graft onto Red Skull's, then maybe he'd be able to get access to telepathic powers. Of course he shouldn't have even a fraction of the skill Chuck did and get his ass handed to him in his first psychic battle

>>84772945
Titania lost those upgraded powers once she quit the Hood's Illuminati

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>>84757408
Nope.

>>84757408
another stupid fucking crossover, yay.

Black Bolt could just say "fuck off" and the entire x-men would be turned into corpses.

Do you think they have porn like Poor Little Mutant Guy.

>>84772762
wait, didn't Magneto squash the head? Other than comic science logic.

>>84773465
He turned into Red Onslaught, so Wanda and Strange cast the Inversion spell to try to bring back Xavier but fucked up and got everyone

He was turned into a White Skull and kept prisoner in Avengers tower

And then they reversed the Inversion and he went back to Red Skull

>>84773172
I'll check it out. Hope I like it.

>>84773257
I fucking wish I had that kind of dosh.

>>84772935
>via math
Was this confirmed

>>84757814
>Hating on based Yu
Here's your (You)

>>84759528
>all these BBfags

He's strong, but not that strong.
Mage can create all sorts of wards and shit.

>>84757525
Don't spit in OP's face and call it spit.

>>84773979
It has been mentioned in several other comics including Captain America.

>>84774017
>(Yu)

>>84757408
literally Cyclops Was Right 2: The Electric Reckoning Boogaloo

>>84773034
They watched the cartoon show as kids and never let go. Same reason people still refuse to let go of franchises like Sonic or Transformers when it's clear they're never going to be redeemed.

>>84772860
How are they going to explain Banner and Rhodey and etc being dead then and all the other books that reference or deal with the fallout from this? Are they going to retcon all the tie-ins (aka every comic for a few months) too? I don't see this as a likely outcome.

they really are creatively bankrupt

>>84778689
the Inhuman can share his visions. so everyone will have all the memories of what happened even though it never came to pass

>>84778623
Transformers Prime was good and some of the video games are fine

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>>84774060
>strong, but not that strong

>>84778934
He couldn't kill one Namor. Go away.

>>84758273
>Inhumans
>heroes

>>84757408
I hate Kamala so goddamned much. As far as "new" female characters Spider-gwen is better than her, hell even Gwenpool is better. Kamala is so fucking bland and boring and the only reason she's even remotely popular on this board is because of waifufags who fetishize brown girls just like Korra from Avatar or Pharrah from Overwatch.

>>84758273
stop thinking of them as heroes and just think of them as political factions plus assorted independent activists, vigilantes, and mercenaries

>>84779079
Duh. If her book had Henderson on art, nobody would shill her.

>>84778934
Well does he kill Vulcan before or after the bomb goes off? That's the kicker.

>>84757408
Wait, is that teen Jean drawn as adult Jean fighting Kamala who looks like she's also a semi-adult?

>>84779450
God Bless Leinil Frances Yu

>>84757408
Reason for the war: Kamala found out Kitty and Magneto are Jewish.

Whatever the outcome, I'd bet money Beast is going to find a way to feel morally superior to everyone while still being the biggest asshole there.

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>>84773014
That was basically Dark Reign/Siege. And it was Glorious (or at least one of the better events marvel has produced since this whole EVENT EVERY OTHER MONTH mandate was put into place)

>>84779529
Inb4: Kamalafags act like Muslims don't low-key hate jews, especially Israelites

>>84779572
It showed how painfully low on villain scale Norman is, I loved it.

Can't Magik send every inhuman to limbo in like a second?

>>84779777
Nope.
In the past her mutant teleportaton disks were limited to her imediate area, but these days her teleportation is almost all magic and is limited by factors unknown.
But it's safe to say that globe-wide target-specific teleportation on a mass scale is unlikely.

>>84773253
>>84773174
You mean the Enchantress from Young Masters?

>>84779777
If writers want, yes. But they don't want.

>>84757408

Who didn't see this coming?

>>84780299
All the jackasses who kept posting about Marvel deciding to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans "because of movies".

>>84780407
What about this makes you think that isn't happening?

>>84757408
at least the X-men are united again

>>84780418

Inhumans film has been benched. May as well bring back the human freaks that make money

>>84780418
Game it out... how would these moves further THAT goal?
You feel the love for Inhumans now? Will you when they genocide away all mutants?
That's not "replacing", that's "vilifying".

>>84779572
>Dark Reign/Siege
God I loved those days. That entire event was Peak Marvel in my opinion.

>>84757408
When did they age teen Jean up ten years?

>>84757408
Two Civil Wars at the same time.

Marvel heroes just can't stop fighting each other.

At this point, are there supervillains that only commit crimes when the heroes are fighting each other? Every few months they could go on a crime spree and no one would be around to stop them except for D-listers.

>>84782196
When they weren't able to find someone able to draw teenagers as teenagers instead of 20-something years old.
So something like 90% of the times

>>84782221
I there a date for this?
I thought it would have happened after Death of X

>>84782240
Just says winter so it could be early next year.

Only way this could end good is if Rightclops comes out of nowhere in last issue and wipes Inhuman Filth off the face of this Earth while standing over the dead body of Beast he btfo.

Why does marvel even need bad guys? The hero's fight each other more then anything else

>>84782313
You guys have a level of autism I can't comprehend.

It's like you have a mini-breakdown every time you see a panel without him on it.

>>84782313
>implying he won't be bigger evil that forces Inhumans and X-traitors to put aside their differences, see that they're not that different after all and team up

The only thing marvel has done that I have enjoyed in years is Based Carnage-Man...oh and that contest of champions with punisher 2099 and Meistro with that awesome British punisher

>>84779572
I agree anon. Bullseye as hawkguy...... those were the days

>>84782313
>if Rightclops comes out of nowhere

>implying creating a background for that isn't the whole point of Death of X

>>84782353
>best things aren't in continuity/are retconned after two months
Literally ugh.

>>84782466
Yeah because girl Thor smashing the patriarchy is way better

>>84769528

It's actually called Terregenocide? So when can I gas Magneto and Kitty Pryde with Kamala being our little jihadi cheerleader?

>>84757408

All because Fox won't give up the damn rights.

Let us hope the inhumans destroy every last mutant

>>84757408
Why is Captain America there?

>No Cyclops vs BB
*yawn*

>>84778934
Dazzler alone can deal with BB.

The X-men will lose as part of Marvels desperate push for anyone to give a fuck about the Inhumans, but the muties will have the last laugh when Jean turns all of them gay.

>>84757408
>this will almost definitely tie into Inhuman ongoings so people will buy their shitty books just for the crossover in hopes that they will buy them weekly.

Maybe we'll be lucky and this will be the end of Soule and Lemire take on the Inhumans and we get someone like Lanning to write them (Why did Abnett had to go DC? I mean, toally understandable, but goddamnit Bendis you piece of shit.)

I mean, Soule and Lemire has no fucking clue how to write them.

They are not mutants. They are not heroes, or at least, primarily. They are a kingdom. They deal with their own problems first and foremost and then worry about the rest of the world. I mean, they do help people like the Fantastic Four, but that's mainly because they are friends, or at least close. The entire appeal of them is watching their nation and values evolve and change in response to the politics around them. It's not to read about how they are hated and persecuted.

Seriously, before this push, the Inhumans were great. Now, they are just shit.

>>84785098
>Why did Abnett had to go DC?
I like his Aquaman right now.

>>84757408
I don't see Hank, place your bets as to what side he's on.

>>84784941
Ok, Didney shill.

>>84785123
>tfw he joins X-Men and sabotages them

>>84757408
>X-hypocrites doing exactly what they pissed on cyclops for

what will be the excuse to hate cyclops now that he was proven right yet again?

>>84785047
Black Bolt knows her and wouldn't use his voice on her. He could easily just knock her out physically.

>>84785165
Beast will be the hero. He will take no sides and cure m-pox at the last moment so that muggas can live and inhumans can have the cloud.

>>84785070
I'm fine with that.
In my opinion that's something that Marvel could copy from DC, those events that aren't BIG, ENORMOUS, WITH THEIR OWN SERIES AND OBLIGATORY TIE-IN FOR EVERYONE but just Spider-Man allies with Ms. Marvel and ANWolverine (just to say 3 random characters) to take down Big Bad X that was causing all of them problems.
H'El on Earth was cool

>>84785114
The first chapters were cool, but the last one with, yet again, the superpowered guy that let himself being arrested wasn't that great. However, his fight with Manta was really cool

>>84785114
Abnett is fantastic in DC, I'm not denying that. I just adore his Cosmic Marvel stuff. In fact, it was the thing along with the New X-Men and the Claremont stuff, sadly enough that got me into Marvel.

I wish he could have stayed on longer for Marvel, as his work for them is almost always great and I honestly think that he is the talent they are going to need right now.

>>84785226
While having yet another mutation

>>84785255
Anteater beast

>>84785298
Well, now I know who's endgame villain for my Pym Family book.

>>84784941
Marvel pls

>>84785226
No, being Beast is suffering. He'll probably tell Blackbolt thay his stup8d cloud os killing people, which is worse than people not goong through terrigenisis, then Blackbolt will probably kill him and Johnny for fucking his wife.

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>>84785247
I can only hope that they eventually give him a L.E.G.I.O.N. ongoing because there is a desperate lack of non GL related cosmic. Hawkman and Adam Strange are getting an ongoing so I only hope that's the start of a new trend.

>>84757408
well. it took them a while.
but it was expected

>>84779588
I'm pretty sure it's not even a low-key hatred.

>>84785392
>Hawkman and Adam Strange are getting an ongoing
Mini. I agree with Abnett and L.E.G.I.O.N., at least one mini if nothing else.

>>84785098
HAHAHAHAHAHA but Bendis had nothing to do with Abnett's shit book Guardians of Infinity bombing hard.

What are you cosmicfags gonna do when Bendis leaves and you don't have any other scapegoat to blame for your delusions.

>>84785226
Guys... Theory time.

What is Beast is deliberately sabotaging the cloud to cause M-Pox? I mean think about it. In the last few years, he has tried to cure 'No More Mutants', failing miserably and then he brings the O5 to the future. Now, all he is known for his fuck ups...

So what if he is making the M-Pox so he can step in and be known as the 'Hero'?

>>84784858
cry me a river

>>84785499
Well he was around when cloud first got spread and somehow never caught it.

>>84785189
he would, if he wasn't a cuck

>>84785581
We need mutant detective. Someone wake up Madrox, we have conspiracy to unravel.

>Thread started 18 hours ago
>only 148 replies and 81 posters
>no one is surprised
>no one is excited
>everyone is desensitized
I'm proud of you /co/. You finally start to learn

>>84785701
It'll be worse when teasers and previews start rolling.

>>84785723
Frankly? I care more about DC and Image right now. This is a funny thread, where we can joke about marvel being retarded.

>>84785498
Actually, we can blame Bendis for the recent decline in Cosmic Marvel. Well him, Soule for the Inhumans, Loeb for trying to immortalize his kid.

The three of them ignored the rules and continuity that the old crew set up. Bendis brought back all the old Guardians, with no explanation. I say bring back, but that would imply that they were the same characters. The characters were so radically different from the original, without any explanation, that it was ridiculous. Then he brings big names like Iron Man into it, to boost sales, then added relationship drama which did not make sense like Iron Man and Gamora, Kitty and Peter, Gamora and Richard.

The Inhumans have had all of their development destroyed by Soule as he has tried to make them the new 'mutants'. They have lost their kingdom, their power, everything.

Nova under Loeb was shit and everyone knew it. Sam was a typical Creator's Pet with an origin that made absolutely no sense and we all wanted him gone.

But ultimately, Bendis was the one who shat the bed the biggest and ultimately the guy who has almost ruined Cosmic Marvel.

>>84785776
Ditto. I had hope for couple of Marvel's titles this year but they all turned out to be shit so... fuck them.

>>84785880
I'm happy that marvel sucks. Finally other companies have a time to shine.

>>84785914
I get what you say, senpai. Still, I'd wish that Black Knight didn't last only five issues, Jesus Christ and I didn't get Sersi.My fault for not being fan of other characters, really.

>>84786017
The main problem with the writers is that their stories are decompressed. If you know that your book is likely to be cancelled, you should make the most compressed book possible, in order to gain the readers, and keep the following.

Do you imagine X-Men becoming popular ever with writers like Bendis? Claremont was delivering over 100% of effort. I don't understand why the modern writers are incapable of that. Is it laziness, or is it just an easy cheque?

reading comments on bleeding shit and found this
>Ironically there was a post on 4chan that predicted this exact thing last month, cover art and everything. I can't remember it exactly but I think it said marvel planned on turning the inhumans into x-villians. Making them.. or the royal family specifically or Medusa and BB specifically the core villians of the x-verse. it's revealed that medusa and blackagar released the gas knowing full and well the effect it would cause to mutants but did so anyways to replace the mutants with themselves. Causing ramifications to the rest of the MU having everyone embraced them so head on and now this would be.. Actually really entertaining desu

is it true? can't find anything in the archive

>>84786126
>their stories are decompressed
That was really bad in Extraordinary X-Men. The third chapter was literally the X-Men fighting environmental attacks (because those demons where literally little more then that) while, for 20 pages, Jean was convincing Old Man Logan to join the team
That particular arc wasn't really bad, it worked nicely to create the basis for the stories after the 8 months time-skip after SWIII, but you can't having it last 5 chapters. 3 is already too much
All-New X-Men was almost as bad
The only one that was able to make a good autoconclusive first issue was Uncanny X-Men even if Monet is annoying to say the least

>>84786126
Modern writers have already established fanbase, so I guess they're half-assing their work. Or saving their best ideas for Image.
I doubt X-Men would be popular with Bendis. Claremont hit that neat spot where fetish fuel, bitchin' powers and character developments cross nicely. Animated series also didn't harm.

>>84786285
Notice that marvel currently has literally 0 talented writer in their roster. It's like anyone who respects himself (except Ellis) didn't want to do work for Marvel. Ennis was supposed to do a new Punisher mini, but 2 years later and no news on that

>>84785098
this. fucking this.

>>84786335
Well, they have finally announced that Luke Cage miniseries

>>84786320
Exactly. The thing is, your post point out one thing:
Most of writers keep the best ideas for indies.
I mean, why would anyone create an interesting inhuman, or x-man, when they can do the same and have 100% control of them?

It's too little, too late to make them relevant.
Even GOTG is incapable of selling good in comics, despite being a massive movie hit

>>84786387
By Tartakovsky? Frankly, I would be excited year ago? Currently? I have a feeling that marvel will sabotage themselves. I wouldn't be suprrised if there were either delays, or some "minor" changes and the final product sucking.

Disney literally killed marvel

>>84785809
With the exception of Rocket, the Guardians didn't start being different until Humphries and the movie came along. If you read Bendis first issues, you'll notice Quill is still a serious guy, same with Drax. The thing between Kitty and Peter has bad fame because Humphries did a real shit show in there. But there hasn't been a time when Bendis had them that felt like it didn't make sense. Same with Iron Man and Gamora who, if you knew your continuity, had a small history from before.

I'll concede Gamora and Richard. There's no way to justify that shit story.

Also, I noticed you namedropped Loeb for no reason there, are you a Riderfag?

>>84757408
>dragging Kamala into this shit because she's popular
no one is safe from the iron grip of editorial

>>84786335
>Ewing and Duggan aren't talented

>>84786497
The relaunched deadpool sucks. I don't like it at all. Also, DP as an avenger? Completely retarded. Basically every marvel book lost its steam after the relaunch, even ms marvel.

>>84786401
And indies serve as pitch for TV and movies. Long story short, we're fucked.

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>>84786530
cont. Oh, and I forgot to write something about Ewing. Probably like 99% of comic book fans

>>84786541
NOT Necessarily. I am reading golden age / silver / bronze age stuff. I never had a time before, and I'm finally catching up on many things I ignored for so many yeas. It's really great.

Just ignore the modern crap, go for classics. I recommend Guy Gardner, Eternals, The Shadow, Badger, some Doug TenNapel's works, Incal, Madman, etc. Throw some McKeever here and there, and you're set.

>>84757408
The problem with the Inhumans push was brought home to me when a Marvel editor said something like - I don't have the exact quote - they decided it was OK to kill Rhodey because they had another black Iron Man, Riri, on the way.

Marvel thinks all characters/franchises are interchangeable. So why not try to make the Inhumans into the new X-Men? They're just the same thing, right?

It took decades for the X-Men to be built into what they were. It took almost as long for Deadpool to go from a cult favorite to a genuine star. And Marvel thought they could do the same thing with the Inhumans just by constantly shilling them.

>>84786472
They just slapped all the characters with ongoins. Notice how moon girl and mosiac are there but crystal and the cast of ANI aren't.

>>84786647
Deadpool is literally the last "new" creation (despite being a rip-off of Deathstroke) that became successful. And he was created in 1991.

>>84786683
>knowing the names of the shithumans
why?

>>84786441
>I'll concede Gamora and Richard. There's no way to justify that shit story.
Amen my brother.

>Also, I noticed you namedropped Loeb for no reason there, are you a Riderfag?
Not exactly... I mean, I liked Richard, but I have no problem with someone new stepping up to the plate. However, Loeb did a job that was absolutely piss poor. If it was better and Sam was not immediately awesome at everything, I wouldn't have minded him taking over.

>>84786619
Going back to the past is cheating, Marty.
But that's what I do, heh. I still have bunch of JLI, Mister Miracle and Warrior to finish. And I want to get into Malibu's UltraForce.

>>84786647
>It took decades for the X-Men to be built into what they were.
Honestly, all it really took was a successful saturday morning cartoon. Yeah, a lot of shit had to be in place before that happened, but if we're being honest here, what really blew up the X-men was that 90s cartoon.

>>84786739
I like them.

>>84786819
Ah, Malibu, I want to read Prime, and some Gerber's stuff.

>>84786839
well, then kill yourself
albeit I guess that you're joking, since one of them doesn't even have an ongoing right now.

>>84786831
Sure, but they got the cartoon because they were already Marvel's most popular comic franchise (a complete turnaround from the '60s, when they were the least popular).

Today things are different because the glut of superhero stuff means you don't actually need to be popular to get a movie. Guardians, Captain Marvel, etc. get picked up for movies based more on their premises than their comic sales.

Marvel thought this would happen with the Inhumans, only Feige doesn't seem very interested in making the film, and without it they're just everywhere in the comics for no apparent reason.

>>84786647
>It took decades for the X-Men to be built into what they were
It's more than they took years to understand that no one cared about the O5 and finally choose to make another team with a team for which people would bitch about if it was created today

>>84786863
They all do

>>84786831
Yeah, because who the fuck is Wolverine, and let's forget how X-Men pawned the 80s

>>84786714
To be fair, he really only became successful when his characterization completely changed, making him really different from Deathstroke personality-wise

>>84787019
They do what?

>>84787067
Have ongoings

>>84787048
It doesn't change the fact that Deadpool is the last successful new character, who also is probably older than you.

>>84787002
Fucking niggers and Geronimo, get out of my comics! I want more Angel, he's so awesome!
I bet nobody ever said that last part.

>>84787002
At least the Indian died and the white Canadian lived, good enough for me

>>84787093
Who? Only nigger girl and ms marvel has

>>84787107
Byrne literally did

>>84787107
You'd be surprised. There were a lot of people who were fans of the original 5 and never warmed to the reboot.

Kurt Busiek famously wrote a letter complaining about how shit the Dark Phoenix Saga was and bring back muh Silver Age X-Men and blah blah blah.

Fans don't care if the original team was any good, it's just their team and they want it.

>>84787131
Mosiac has an ongoing starting in October and the rest are from UI

>>84787183
I thought that they all had a solo ongoing. Be specific next time.

>>84787158
To my knowledge, Busiek, Waid, Byrne, Morrison are fans of O5

>>84787154
>>84787158
Well, color me surprised. But yeah, you're right about teamfags. Every New 52 Justice League roster thread ever.
>>84787241
>tfw Morrison went "that ain't my Scott during AvX"
Also, Waid. I should've got signals when he said that Kidclops is his favorite character on Champions.

>>84787241
I think in some ways the original Avengers is the least popular original Marvel team. The second team (Cap/Hawkeye/Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver) has a lot of fans but the original Avengers only get reunited for shout-out historical purposes.

>>84787028
If you think that all of the money from that cartoon directly and indirectly through spawning an asston of new comic buyers had less effect than comparatively piddleshit sales in the 80s, then son, you haven't the first clue how businesses work.

>>84787332
Byrne is the founder of /co/

>>84787358
Yeah, it's all true, which is weird, considering that kooky quartet is literally half x-men team, sometimes 2/3 x-men team. I do wonder if they count as Uncanny Avengers vol 0

>>84787368
I knew x-men before the cartoon, and the first time I've seen the cartoon was late 90s, early 00s. And I'm not even american, but the x-men were huge there already, along with Punisher, Batman and Ghost Rider

90s was the last decade when you had a real new insurgence of fresh blood. Since then you have nostalgia fags from different decades, with 90s being the last decade

>>84787406
The sad thing is, if the X-men were still the priority in marvel, we would probably have a TPB collecting kooky quartet era as pre-Uncanny Avengers Unity Squad team

>>84787513
Waid is doing a miniseries about the Kooky Quartet days, I wonder if he'll even be allowed to mention the word "mutant." Probably not because Marvel is sticking to the retcon that they were never real mutants.

>>84787358
Original Avengers were such a weird team.
>>84787451
I'd argue that last generation of nostalgiafags is one that watched Young Justice. Amount of bitching they did because muh Blaqualad is hilarious. And my favorite is from Red Hood and Outlaws
>why Artemis doesn't wear green

>>84787541
Good point. I'm curious myself. It's a shame, because you know, they were the first mutants / former terrorist to join the Avengers, which is important both from Avengers history, as well as Marvel comic book history. No one ever did something like that before. You had characters joining other superhero teams, but you didn't have villains joining the a-list team and redeeming themselves.

>>84787541
It's not a retcon.
It's literally just Wanda skullfucking reality.

>>84787570
Well, we will see who will be the last to turn off the lights.

>>84787358
You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems true. X-Men might not sell well, but they had dedicated / cult following (just like Doom Patrol, and probably, if not for Claremont, they would probably share the same fate). Meanwhile, I have yet to find a person that was inspired by Avengers in any meaningful way.

I don't remember anyone saying that they grew up reading Avengers, or that Avengers were a game changer in comic book industry.

And if you look closely, you notice that Avengers didn't have a single Secret Wars tie-in dedicated solely to them (like Proctor Saga, Kang Dynasty, etc). They either shared the books with X-Men, GOTG, Daredevil, or the rest of Marvel Universe. Food for thought.

>>84787678
AGAIN.

>>84787680
>I don't remember anyone saying that they grew up reading Avengers, or that Avengers were a game changer in comic book industry.

Avengers was fairly big in the '70s, I think. The Thomas and Englehart stuff was pretty influential, and in the '80s the Under Siege storyline was popular and became the inspiration for Thunderbolts.

It's not as iconic as X-Men partly because the lineups keep changing so much that anyone's favorite Avenger team only lasts about a year. But 70s Avengers was probably more influential than, say 70s Fantastic Four (low bar).

>>84787783
You probably mean 1971-1975 era? Englehart is very divisive due, to (ironically) Quicksilver being an evil faggot, and shilling the Mantis. Thomas run was solid, though.

And yeah, I totally forgot about Stern, albeit he was liked mostly by fans of classic comic books / DCfags

>>84787097
>Last success
>What is Kamala

>>84787874
Even after that, Jim Shooter's Korvac Saga was well liked enough that it beat out the X-men for the Eagle Award. And IIRC that did become the title of a Secret Wars tie in.

Not long after that the Avengers had a run of shitty stories including at least two famously bad ones: Carol gives birth to her own rapist and Hank smacks his wife. It's had its ups and downs in popularity since then.

>>84787946
Kamala is a legacy replacement. Did Deadpool replace another Deadpool? Think, anon, it doesn't hurt

>>84788006
And those two stories are written by Shooter. Madman.
Hank, unlike Carol, never recovered from that.

Can someone explain the difference between mutants and inhumans to me

>>84788026
>Kamala
>Have connection to Captain Marvel escape name
She now big enought to change the name and people still follow her

>>84788006
Shooter is also divisive. However, the only reason that some people dislike Shooter's run is because they dislike Shooter period (or the reasons you mention). Avengers were liked, but they were also considered "conservative", old-school in a derogate way.

I was reading a lot of different scans of comic book fanzines, and the Avengers always come off as the b-list team. Even Defenders had more popularity at FEW points than Avengers. It's really weird.

>>84788103
Well, we have yet to see her change the name, are we?

>>84788088
inhumans are alien mutants. that's it.

>everyone but Sabretooth was in this year's X-Men movies

Fucking KEK, Marvel you fucking hacks.

>>84788105
Well, they were kind of old-fashioned, yeah. After Perez and Byrne left they were always a little behind the times in art, too. (In the '80s they had either John Buscema or guys trying to draw like John Buscema.)

Plus the mix of characters who have their own books with characters who don't always meant the famous characters didn't do anything (Thor, Cap, Iron Man) and most of the plot was carried by characters who weren't popular enough for their own books (Vision, Scarlet Witch, Wonder Man, Beast). Until the mid-80s Claremont could do whatever he wanted with the X-Men.

The Avengers were popular enough to get a second book in the '80s, they just weren't ever cool.

>>84772311
This. Timely's shared universe came about by hero vs hero bullshit, it's unlikely that Marvel will end that tradition soon.

>>84788174
do you know that negasonic warhead is back from dead? and is in deadpool book?

>>84788255
Oh yeah, I loved West Coast Avengers. It's weird that they were ridiculed, to a point that Byrne created GLA. Avengers had a big cast enough to justify a second book, but they never really had it, until Bendis.

You are also correct that a-listers were background in Avengers.

With marvel it was FF and Spider-Man, then Spider-Man and Howard the Duck, then Spider-Man and X-Men, then finally Spider-Man, Avengers and X-Men.

>>84788088
You have mutants, then you have Inhumans which are nothing more than mutants in space.

>>84788331
Please tell me you're joking. Did they change her look too?

>>84788384
She has long hair, but she is going to be shaved, because, she was experimented by some AIM-like group. Just like Deadpool was in the movies

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>>84788384
What do you think, senpai?

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>>84788420
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I don't buy and refuse to buy a comic the last 2 years but this shit pisses me off.

>>84788346
>implying going into space isn't a big part of X-Men lore either
The Inhumans haven't lived on the blue area of the moon in many years now, they're about as cosmic as the new Quasar.

>>84788458
What the fuck is wrong with old Quasar? He still has both arms, can walk, why is he looking for replacement?

>>84788449
I never once in my life I would expect to Negasonic to become a major charcter. It's funny how movies can make or break the character. I keep saying "now I've seen everything", but every time something new happens that keeps surprising me.

I mean, I can only imagine what would happen if X-Men actually WERE a part of MCU. People who keep asking for that, are probably part of the Monkey Paw cult

>>84788458
did they stop ruling the kree empire?

>>84788521
Long time ago. Catch up nigga

>>84788521
Yeah. That plot was dropped fast. Crystal isn't married to Ronan anymore, either.
I think.

>>84788504
>Marvel and Blowvort: The movies WILL NEVER EVER affect the comics.

You hacks

>>84788521
Yeah man, the entire Kree empire was destroyed and Hala was blown up in Bendis' GotG after Secret Wars
No idea what happened to Ronan

>>84788566
Blame it on Alonso. He is the faggot who wants synergy. Not even Perlmutter cares anymore

>>84788583
He swore revenge on everyone for wrecking Hala.

>>84788498
No fucking idea dude, it seems really odd that he came out of comic book limbo just to give his quantum bands to some random SHIELD agent too.
I guess I can fap to the new Quasar, but it was quite clearly another progressive play from the All-New, All-Progressive Marvel

>>84788640
to be fair, everyone at marvel (including Byrne, again) cringed at Quasar. he was just another blonde male with blue eyes. Yes, I'm talking about 90s. Even then he was considered mehm despite being based on a classic golden age character. Quasar was a great book, but from what I know, he was considered very bland.

Probably marvel wanted to spice up the quasar in the only way they know.

>more than half of the thread is off-topic
lel

>>84787097
So does Dc

>Be Axel Alonso
>preside over one of the greatest eras of X-Men storytelling
>become EiC
>promptly screw the ever living hell out of them

I just don't see it.
Is Breevort really that powerful that he can skullfuck everything and preside over what might be the second biggest exodus of acclaimed talent in Marvel history without giving a fuck?

>>84788854
DC at least keeps trying. They fail, but they try.

>>84788900
Alonso was proud of never reading any x-men, and he never really liked them. It's canon

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>>84757408
>by Jeff Lemire and Charles Soule
urgh

I can't believe Lemire keeps writing X-Men stuff right now. I can't imagine he actually likes writing it.
It's also dumb as shit, because the entire Inhuman - X-Men animosities are covered in Bunn's Uncanny.

>>84788721
I always assumed he was just there to fill the void left by Mar-Vell's departure, although they did have Legacy/Genis to fill that void so I guess he was just sorta there.
I do hope they put out a new Quasar ongoing, it'd be interesting to see Wendell training this new Quasar and doing cosmic shit
The only problem is that the state of Marvel Cosmic these days is downright embarassing, Abnett is probably one of the few people who still gives a crap about properly utilizing it

>>84788721
I like his design.
>>84788971
Isn't Cyclops Alonso's favorite? Or I'm mixing up editorial scum?

>>84788989
Does Duggan actualy know this shit

>>84789005
You assumed right.
>I do hope they put out a new Quasar ongoing, it'd be interesting to see
no you don't. just trust me on that.
if the recent examples taught you anything, is that you really don't want to see your fave characters getting sjwed, especially if they are cis-scum white aryan males with blue eyes.
You really don't.

>>84789005
Abnett is gone, senpai. Exclusive with DC.
And they give him books nobody wants to write ;-;

>>84789028
No, Alonso says that he likes Cyclops. But he says the same thing about any marvel character you ask him about. If you asked him whether he likes Captain Ultra, he would say that he loves him. Alonso is a yes-man

>>84788971
Huh? He was the lead Xditor for several years.

I thought Marvel is killing off the X-Men to say "Fuck you Fox".

>>84789080
Yes. He is also responsible for X-statix and a lot of vertigo-esque stuff at the x-office. Yet, he doesn't like X-Men, and he never read them. Funny, isn't it?

>>84789058
Goddammit it, that sucks
Good on DC though, Abnett seems to be saving the Titans from a good decade of mediocrity/awfulness, and he's somehow managed to salvage something worthwhile from Earth-2 Society too

>>84789077
Figures.
See. And you compare him to DiDio, guy whose favorite characters are so low on totem pole they're actually in the ground.

>>84789096
Marvel is a business company. They want money. And in their opinion, nothing earns more money than outrage / pissed off fans.

>>84789131
I don't know much about Didio, so I can't really compare them. However, I started reading more DC recently, so that's it. I am aware that DC tends to build something great, and then royally fuck up, though.

>>84789129
I do hope that he'll get to write something set in space. Maybe some duo book, like Hawkman & Adam Strange? My secret wish is Captain Comet, anyway.

>>84786126
Do you know how hard it is to do a completely different story arc every month or two?
Even Claremont was sometimes just throwing shit at the wall. Random one-off issues about Dracula for example.
It's easier to think of 3 stories for the year and stretch them out. You don't have to sit there brainstorming and making flowcharts and you don't have to research different characters, events and locations every single month.

Obviously decompression has benefits as it tells the story smoother, there's actual showing going on instead of exclusively telling.
But for some writers, it really feels like it's just a way to work less hard.

>>84789123
Extremely.
Well, he did a pretty good job. Still, why did he screw them so hard?

On one hand though, I can understand not actively reading the books you're working on because you'd have seen all the scripts and many of the pages already. Could be boring.

>>84788088

Mutants = results of celestials fucking with Human genes in the past
Inhumans =results of Kree fucking with Human genes in the past

that alone puts Mutants above Inhuman

>>84757408
Is that Johnny or that Dante dude? Because if it's the latter fucking lol can't believe they're still pushing that guy

>>84789324
You know back then, and also in 90s, one issue X-Men were fighting midget leperchauns, only to have a serious story about acceptance. Same with New Warriors, Spider-Man, Nova, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Dr Strange, etc.

Back then, writers understood the meaning of "fun". And fun is not when characters uses shortcuts like "OMG, I'm so badass", but when you have an entertaining done-in-one story that manages to keep you hooked for the next issue.

Decompression is evil, and if you want to defend it, I'm afraid I'll have to fight you.

>>84789287
My secret wish is their expand omega man or space cab

>>84789324
A good recent example of a stretched out arc, for me, would be the Apoc Twins and their whole thing. It's 18 fucking issues that just does not relent.

>>84789334
>Still, why did he screw them so hard?
For the same reason that Queasada screwed X-Men and Spider-Man: he doesn't understand them. It's just a product for him. Monkey sees, monkey do. If you look at his decisions, he is pretty clueless, when it comes to Marvel. It's really weird, considering that he was a Vertigo editor. But then again, if Quesada could have become a massive faggot, so can Alonso.

>>84757408
Atleast this makes sense. The Inhumans have been killing, poisoning, or making them sterile for a couple years now and for some reason within the comics no one in a position to call Medusa out on it cares. Atleast not in the comics I've read where it's been brought up as more of a passing comment. The X-Men are expected to shut the fuck up and die? The fact this didn't happen sooner means Magneto has been written out of character.

>>84789383
keep in mind that Kree fucked with Human genes that already had a dormant x-gene. That's why inhumans need gas to unlock the powers.

>>84766775
This bothers the shit out of me. The movies suffer heavily from it too.

I guess they are all getting away with what ever the want with? The people who typically oppose them are fighting like idiots.

So are any of the heroes in the Marvel universe fighting villains anymore?

>>84789434
What is typical Space Cabbie comic? Known character enters his cab and shenanigans happen?
>>84789509
God no. We have SHIELD for that.

>>84789561
Collection of story, discover different race, space have shenanigan with Constantine

>>84773285
Legion did fuck him up.

>>84789509
Nova

>>84789123
I don't think he likes superheroes. His heart is with edgy Vertigo-esque stuff.

It's not so much that he doesn't like X-Men as that he doesn't care much about conventional superhero comics. Star Wars, I think, excites him.

>>84789875
Very Possible. Anyway, I wish he was gone.

>>84785177
No shit, I'm rooting for the X-traitors to lose.

>>84773034
>>84778623

>Claremont's X-men
>Morrison's New X-Men
>AvX
>Messiah Complex, Wars, and Second Coming
>Whedon's Astonishing X-Men
>X-Force - any run
>Remender's Uncanny X-Force
>House of M
>Age of Apocalypse
>Claremont's Wolverine
>God Loves Man Kills
>Dark Phoenix Saga
>X-Statix

I mean besides Bendis, which you should avoid in all series, its like you have to actually TRY in order to not find a good X-Men story

>>84792678
>AvX
>good

Oh shit what are you doing.

>TRY
>Fraction

>>84792678
>Fraction
>Austen
>Lemire
>Onslaught
>Claremont post 90s
>90s minis
>Liefeld

I didn't even tried, the first things that coame to my head.

There's soooo much shit inside the X-Men

>>84782344
It's even funnier when they live their sex lives through him.

>Can Cyclops have sex with (insert female character) now?

In every single X-Men related news thread.

>>84787680
>X-Men might not sell well.
This false meme needs to die. On the whole, the X-Men comics outsell everything but Spidey and LucasArts.