>Another fan asked about the timeline of the post-Rebirth

>>84755495
>inb4 hurr durr story > continuity bruh xdxd

But that's exactly it. Putting a hard and fast timeline across the board limits creators who want to do different things with different books.

The people who are interested in advancing the specific plot lines of Rebirth will do it in their own books and hopefully communicate with each other to keep that plot going. The writers who aren't are free to do their own thing without worrying about it.

Rebirth really is focused far more on the characters themselves, each of the Rebirth issues starts by establishing those characters in their new status quo or context and shows what important storylines or themes will be developed going forward. Each context is going to be different for each character.

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>inb4 hurr durr story > continuity bruh xdxd

Why are you upset at the truth?

This is the best way to do it. Specific timelines don't matter that much, just keep the right generations together.

They know the 5 year New 52 plan was garbage, but they already invested too much into it to completely back out. They're stuck. So they added some missing 10 years idea that is super vague just so they can work around the 5 years problem they created themselves.

>>84755628
>But that's exactly it. Putting a hard and fast timeline across the board limits creators who want to do different things with different books.

If the characters don't have background or history they don't have anything. They're just blank states.

>>84755748
>a mess of a story where nobody knows what the fuck exactly happened in the past

Yeah, it's the best way to do it.

The Flash is already weird with timeline. Wally still remembers Linda, when in fact they never got married in this timeline because he disappeared as Kid Flash. Then we go Rebirth and Barry says Wally took Flash name without Barry for a while.
i don't give a shit about continuity either but they need to be clear on what's canon and what's not.

>>84755628
Hi, bendis. Didn't know that you are a dcfag.

>>84756382
That part is easy. Wally's exist is an in-universe retcon in the new 52 timeline. That's why he has to give everyone the corrected new 52 memories with him.

>>84756637
existence*

fucking hell, how did I do that?

The people who are saying DC is saved need to read this slowly.

>>84757653
I want you to in very clear terms explain to me why this matters personally to you and how it impacts reading a story.

>>84757653
They wont read it, anon.
DCfags will ignore this statement, will defend it.
Damage Control Comics indeed.

>>84757653
It's good though, sorry you're a pleb

>>84756637
Basically, Wally didn't really exist in the New 52 timeline. But he "forced himself" into continuity and everyone got memories of him that didn't really exist until that point.

Speedforce, holy shit.

>>84757732
It matters because they're showing us that they don't care. They don't put thought in these things.

>>84757960
Ain't gotta explain shit.

>>84757960
Speed force itself vs Manhattan for the Rebirth finale imo

>>84757960

If Speed Force is Barry, does it mean he loved Wally so much that he protected him from Manhattan's massacre and shoved him into tmeline?

>>84757653
As long as the stories are good, why does it matter if everything is 100% internally consistent? Quality is better than continuity.

>>84758192
Okay, bendis.

>>84758187
Well Barry isn't exactly the Speed Force. He created it and he's its engine, but he's not the Speed Force himself.

>>84758170
Both are broken as fuck

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>>84755495

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>>84760509
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjU5lXY8wHE

>>84755628
>Putting a hard and fast timeline across the board limits creators who want to do different things with different books.
That is what other universes are for.How am I to know if I should expect the character development I saw elsewhere to be shown in a new comic if the time is some abstract concept. it already fucks up events when you know the resolution months in advance because all books don't come out on time.
>establishing those characters in their new status quo or context and shows what important storylines or themes will be developed going forward
redoing the origin story is the last trick of any shit writer

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>>84756278
it could be but it won't be

>>84760637
status quo isn't origin, but that you took that from his post shows that you're just looking for things to get upset about

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>>84756239
>I need backstory to enjoy DC comic books
Enjoy reading decades worth of content that gets rebooted, retconned and ignored on a daily basis.

Comic books don't hold your hand. It's your responsibility to know what's going on because DC is rarely self-contained.

>>84758192
yeah if by 100% internally consistent you mean like characters teaming up with their enemies or forgetting he resolutions they made few issues ago, yeah sure.
>As long as the stories are good
make one shots and elseworlds if you want to be self contained. If you want to have episodic stories than you need to be consistent, hell you need to be consistent even in a 1 shot(its just easier there) would you forgive a tv show if it pulled this crap?

>>84760735
you are either very naive or this is your first rodeo. given all the previous reboots we all know the first issues are just going to tell us the same shit we have been hearing since childhood

>>84755628
I'm sure there's tons of writers that want to do that one story about the Atom being trapped in an alternate dimension with armenian prisoners and have to fight Gorilla Grodd to save the day, but can't because of a timeline.
But there's also writers that know the characters and want to do things based on the history they have and the things they've been through, but can't cause shit gets erased and retconned every monday.

>>84760819
>Enjoy reading decades worth of content that gets rebooted, retconned and ignored on a daily basis.

And you didn't even thought that gets rebooted, retconned and ignored PRECISELY because they don't give a shit about continuity? It's almost like they're not even trying like I'm saying, duh.

>>84761064
>>84760867
>>84760637
Fucking this. All of it.

DC should have never opened the Pandora's Box of reboots and retcons. They should have never allowed this. Or at least they should have stopped Crisis while was still early. There was nothing wrong with the previous timeline, and writers had access to 70+ years of stories about the characters to tell whatever the fuck they wanted with them.

Now they have to work within the limits of this new shitty continuity. If anything, the reboot limited what writers can do.

>>84755495
>muh continuity
>i sperg and can't enjoy a story if i don't know in raw detail where the JL stories fit with their members solo books!

>>84761937
Sales reason is why.

>>84755495
>They don't know what the fuck is going on with their own characters' histories.

Well, obviously. You needed actual confirmation? It's not inherently bad, as long as they write good comics.

But they don't.

>>84761937
>If anything, the reboot limited what writers can do.

Not really. It just means that things have to be reintroduced, and bad editors/EiCs are autistic enough to always say, "Nah dude, [insert writer here] has this awesome story that's gonna introduce them, so you can't do it!" And then that story never fucking comes.

>>84761937
There was nothing wrong with rebooting it. They just needed to not half ass it and actually reboot. Not go "oh well this might have rebooted, this didn't, this is new maybe, oh hey let's just undo it"

>>84755495
>Let's let a nonnerd nonnerdsplain to nerds
Keep it up DCucks Comics Comics

>>84755628
>limits creators
Editorial constraint breeds creativity. Besides, did post-Crisis continuity pen Morrison in from canonizing Silver Age Batman?

>>84757653
All Rebirth did was make New 52 suck less to the point that it's actually readable now. No one really ever said otherwise.

>>84765553
>It just means that things have to be reintroduced

And don't you seriously think that limits what writers can do? They have to reintroduce every element or character of the lore again if they want to use it, instead of simply having it already available.

It's very fucking limited. They made the universe smaller. They reduced the toy box which writers can play with.

>>84761064
They can still do that. That's the whole point. You don't have to be beholden to what other writers do. You can ignore stupid shit that no one cares about.

>>84770440
You're proving his point. The fact that Morrison was free to bring in elements of Batman's history that had effectively been deleted shows the advantages of not having to be extremely strict with continuity.

Why do continuityfags think "story > continuity" means "JUST DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT, NO RULES, DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER, MASS HYSTERIA"?

It just means being a complete autist about canon is retarded and annoying, and that you can be a little loose with it. It doesn't mean you can contradict the character's entire history, just that you can tolerate some small inconsistencies.

It's essentially Hypertime-- more recent things overwrite past things, things people like and remember stay in continuity, things people don't care about or that were bad get forgotten.

>>84774591
>You don't have to be beholden to what other writers do.

Yet, they have to be beholden of this shitty limited contunity lacking a lot of the familiar characters and lore elements a writer may want to use because editorial says so.

For example, if a writer wants to do a story with the Hunter Zolomon version of Zoom, he can't, because that character doesn't exist anymore. If a writer wants to do a Booster Gold and Blue Beetle story, he can't, because those characters don't have a relationship anymore nor they ever shared a history together. And Booster is nowhere to be seen for a long time already. And those are just two examples in a long line of similar cases.