Storytime of Pain: The Big Lie

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>>84745273
Oh boy, please tell me this is a 9/11 Truther comic.

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>>84745586
It is. From the guy who wanted Swamp Thing to go back in time and meet Jesus.

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>>84745273
UNCLE SAM DID 9/11?!

I TRUSTED YOU SAM, YOU AND YOUR DAMN FREEDOM FIGHTERS CAN GO TO HELL!

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>>84745366
My uncle barely survived that day, fuck everything about this comic and the portrayal of New Yorkers

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>>84745987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61L6hB7c1bg

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>>84746067
>obligatory gesture of respect for the victims

The End

Thanks for taking the time to post it, OP. I think I'll stick with DC the next time I want to read a story with Uncle Sam in it.

>>84745273
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams?

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>>84745273
Seriously? Image posted a comic claiming 9/11 was an inside job? I'm not overly shocked but still its pretty pathetic.

This has the subtlety of a Chick tract. Why did Image publish this?

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>>84745966
>It's gonna hit big

>>84746067
>CNN and BBC
If so many damn people were in on this conspiracy why is it so hard to find some kind of real documentation? The gubment can't even keep the real secret shit secret.

Oh shit I have been looking everywhere to read this mess. Thanks for the storytime OP

>>84746025
This whole comic is moot if the bitch just went back in time, waited a bit and then pulled a fire alarm. Fuck explaining shit, just get everyone out.

>>84745643
>From the guy who wanted Swamp Thing to go back in time and meet Jesus.
Honestly, that would probably be just another day in the office for poor Alec

>>84745887

>Masters in structural engineering
>JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS!

This is amazing.

>>84745294
Wait what i was expecting a textbook in comic form not a time travel story
This will be interesting

>>84745366
This is heading into a very shitty analogy isn't it

>>84746547
>Wait what i was expecting a textbook in comic form not a time travel story
It is exactly that, the time travel plot device is completely pointless.

>>84745408
Im actually really liking this dialogue

>>84746467
I get what the author was going for, but the framing device he used about time travel is so ridiculous.

>How can I get people to read my conspiracy infodump comic? I know! I'll surround the whole thing in a flimsy, convoluted, sci-fi plot.

Goddamnit, I saw uncle sam and thought this might be that GOOD comic with him in it

>>84746467
Yeah, the most bizarre part of this comic isn't the truther shit itself, but the way it presents it with someone literally having to explain it all a bunch of people while she knows the plane is coming. It's fucking silly. Just pull the fire alarm, just drag him by fee, get security to come in and claim you hsve a bomb, if you know you can just travel back soon enough, it doesn't even matter.

>>84745585
Ah here is where it becomes a storytime of pain
After she showed up in the meeting room it was only meh.

I wish Uncle Sam punched some of the planes or something, This was pretty cookie cutter Cassandra plot otherwise.

You know I get the feeling that these truthers really don't appreciate the fact that two fully fueled jets crashed into the buildings at full speed and left gaping holes in the middle of the buildings. And WTC 7 was severely damaged by two of the biggest buildings in the world collapsing right next to it.

>>84745966
>its gonna hit big
Ok it was all worth it for this page

>>84745273
Wtf I hate Veitch now

>>84746803
I think it is interesting that she herself did not start off claiming it was an inside job.

>>84745822
The cover is misleading uncle sam is used to warn the reader about not getting the wool puled over your eyes.

>>84745887
JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS, SANDRA

>>84747196
Also that it never actually ended up laying the blame on anybody.
Although i think thats because this particular truther has not decided whos to blame yet.
Which i suppose is somewhat admirable that he is trying not to jump to conclusions.

>>84747048
Full Speed Jets Can't Crash Big Towers

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>>84747339
I've heard AM radio fags literally say "Those buildings were designed to withstand airplanes crashing into them."

>>84745643
Rick Veitch's Swampy was great. It's sad that they didn;t allow Swampy to meet Jesus. It drove off Gaiman off the title as well.

>>84747409
Yeah they were. But they were designed to withstand small cessnas. Not fully fueled commercial passenger jets.

>>84746025
Wait, so it was both terrorists AND an inside job?

>>84745273
What the Hell, Image?

>>84747659
Image publishes literally everything.

>>84747797
>Dynamite publishes literally anything

fixed for you

>>84747409
Well technicly true.
They just dident do it very well

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>mfw people in this thread believing in media lies. It's the exact reason SJWs have become so ingrained in the comics industry.

>>84746377
Image are basically a vanity press. Pay them and they'll print literally anything

>>84747651
Of course. Everybody saw the planes hit the towers. But jet fuel can't melt steel beams, so there must have been explosives rigged for demolition there too. Also the planes shot missiles into the tower a split second before they crashed. And mininukes.

>>84745774
This isn't getting people out of the buildings!

>>84745887
Why would a building be designed for that specifically?

>>84745910
Oh here we go.

>>84748660
Why wouldn't it

>>84747919
They did pretty well just not quite well enough. Like the Titanic or the Fukushima power plant

I mean, some of that stuff was in the commission report, but it didn't indicate a big conspiracy, just stuff that seems stupid in hindsight.

>>84748029
But comic books are a medium and this is a comic book and therefore part of the media.

>>84748660
In the 1940s there was a B-25 Mitchell bomber that got lost in heavy clouds and crashed into the Empire State Building. Nasty fire, the crew, and a few people in the building were killed.

Skyscrapers are thus designed to be capable of fighting fires, and all sorts of impacts to their structures, be it jetliners, bombs, whatever.

Skyscrapers aren't specifically designed to be resistant to fully loaded jetliners. Because there's no such thing as a specific fully loaded jet liners. Contrary to what some conspiracy theorists believe, jet liners come in different sizes.

There was a paper decades ago looking at the engineering and claimed the WTC could withstand a blow from a Boeing 707s.

The actual planes on 9-11 were much larger Boeing 767s. The engineering paper also didn't take into account the blows would knock out the fire suppression systems.

>>84749181
It was also assumed that jet in question would be moving relatively slowly, lot in fog or similar circumstances. Not accelerating close to their top speed

>>84749181
Is it also possible that the paper was inaccurate, or the buildings weren't built perfectly?

>>84745273
Oh, I've never heard of this one.

This feels like such an idiotic way to get your message across.

I mean, I understand comics are all about heavy handed messages, but if you're gonna just do a textbook of 9/11 conspiracies, then just play it straight.

I will give the writer credit for his restraint, he COULD have made it so that her intervention changed history

>>84748029
Comics are media. So you're saying the comic is lying about the inside job?

>>84745751
Someone is confusing opportunism with conspiracy.

>>84746363
Image will post all sorts of shit and some brilliant stuff. If you were the sort of person to piss in bottles with your tinfoil hat on you'd torrent this and be happy.

>>84747409
They were - a B25 bomber hit Empire State in 1945. (?) But aircraft grew since then, by a lot. The 9/11 planes massed more than an order of magnitude more and were much faster. Call it something like two orders of magnitude more KE.

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I think this story gave me cancer. Someone tell me there's like storytimes of joy or some shit after the SOPs.

>>84745431
This is fucking retarded.
She could have told him literally anything only those two would ever know, to convince them. But instead she insists on trying to use footage.

Shitwriting/10 i mad.

>>84746089
Fuck him.

Fuck him and Erskine.

Except 9/11 was *kind of* an inside job though, the recently-released 28 pages confirms that the hijackers had connections to influential Saudi Arabian officials. The Saudi government more likely than not knew about the attacks and chose to do nothing. Likewise, US officials knew Saudi Arabia had religious and financial connections to Al Qaeda, and chose to invade Iraq/Afghanistan instead.

>>84753080
Most of the Gulf states have ties to Al-Qaeda and similar groups, and even finance them.

The US government just doesn't care because to do anything about it would interrupt the flow of oil.

>>84753650

Plus they're Sunni groups, and the US generally wants to eliminate Shiites (because Iran) and Ba'athists (because Russia)

>>84745273
>Based Veitch exposing Jews

Can someone dump that Boys comic where superheroes failed to stop 9/11?

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>>84745459
>people are amazed by portable touch screens in 2001

>>84745294
>comic starts with Uncle Sam quoting Hitler

>>84750516
Yep

>>84748994
Ok yeah thats more accurate>>84749024

>>84759487
Oops dident mean to quote that second post

If you were trying to get people out of the WTC and only had an hour, why wouldn't you just call in a bomb threat and force them to evac both buildings.

Some first responders would probably get killed but overall it would be a significant savings of life.

>>84753080
The missing pages turned out to be uncoraberated speculation, and couldn't be included due to lack of evidence

I remember this being storytimed back when it came out... most of the comments were pretty much the same back then e.g. "Why is she pissing about instead of evacuting the building", "The time travel is retarded", etc.
>>84746661
Rick Veitch was a damn good writer back in the day - his Swamp Thing, TMNT comics, Bratpack and The Maximortal are wonderful... Unfortunately, 9/11 made him lose his mind, and this comic is proof of that.
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>>84746377
>Sure, let the guy who did good shit in the 80's and 90's make his own comic, we'll make a killing on nostalgia alone
>Wait, he wants to do a 9/11 comic? That's... fine. 10 year anniversary and all that, people still bear the scars.
>Look, he's Rick Veitch. He's still respected in the industry, it'll be fine...
ONE ISSUE LATER
>FUCK FUCK FUCK CANCEL THE SERIES CANCEL IT NOW
>>84748200
I remember there was a theory that the planes were actually missiles that used holograms to pretend they were planes

What is it about 9/11 that made people lose their minds?

>>84762106
>What was it about an extremely traumatic event that made people lose their minds?

>>84763014
People that weren't involved at all. Just look at Frank Miller.

>>84762106
It's just another first world problem, like the holcaust is for the Jews, because a few people died.

>>84745348
>Everything in it is place

How do you get away with that

>>84761209
Hm i will have to check some of his old stuff out.

>>84763181
What did it do to miller

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>>84763196
Except 9/11 actually happened.

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>>84763708

He started getting really wackjob-style conservative, culminating in his comic Holy Terror (originally Holy Terror, Batman).

>>84746467
that would be logical. 9/11 truthers don't run on logic they run on a fantasy scenario in which the whole world coverups the american government blowing up a major financial site to force the american people to support the afghanistan invasion. Excuse me the Iraq war, because a war in one middle eastern shithole wasn't enough for whatever warhawks were buying cocaine and hookers for Bush Jr.

The government does all kinds of shady bullshit but there's easier ways to get the public to support a war than blowing up our own territories.

Whether you believe the conspiracy or not, this is one shitty comic. Infodumps and completely idiotic characters. Veitch's Swampy run was great, wtf happened?

>>84747409
yes and no.

The architects who designed the twin towers assumed that air accidents might occur. They tried to include as many safe guards against say, a place clipping the towers upper levels. Not a passenger jet weighing several hundred tons full of high explosive (I.E. jetfuel) smashing into the core of the towers.

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>>84745910
Thermite wouldn't cause 'molten metal lava.' It also wouldn't cause an explosion like in the picture. Thermite burns for about 10 seconds and then fizzes out to leave a crater wherever you put it. It doesn't 'explode.'

This comic triggers me

>>84763672
You really should. The Maximortal was one of the first comics I read, and it really depresses me to see him so far gone.
>>84762106
The fact that shit went down so quickly in America, Land of the Free, really shook people up... which was the whole point, of course.
>>84764333
The fact that the son of a high-level government employee died in 9/11 just makes these conspiracy theories even more fucked up.

>>84762106
Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the plan is horrifying. If tomorrow I tell the press that like a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all part of the plan.

>>84766966
I guess I just don't get it. I mean if they thought it was some kind of Churchill/Coventry kind of conspiracy where we knew it was going to happen but couldn't stop it for some reason it would make sense but the theories they have are insane.

>>84745668
>all along the eastern seaboard
>what's the Peace Dividend?
>isn't the Cold War still going?

>>84762106
White people don't think that bad shit can happen to them without their individual consent.

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Okay, but the important question is how the fuck did the terrorist get in internationals planes and hijacked them? They weren't checked or what?

>>84756287
Dude people were gay for RAZR flip phones still around 2007. Six years earlier a tablet from today would blow their mind.

>>84768870
Well, we had Palm Pilots back then. The most astounding thing about the iPad would have been the accuracy of the touchscreen and the fact that it had a higher resolution than most monitors at the time, in color.

>>84768708
Airport security wasn't what it is today. Nobody took shoes off, people weren't consulting watch lists like they do now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZUt4p1TXHU
Hell, the stereotype of a hijacker was some communist who wanted to fly to Cuba.

>>84769321
Jerry Seinfeld didn't age for like 2 decades, and then, BAM.

Comic books can't melt steel secrets.

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>>84769321
That wasn't a stereotype. Up until Osama's Jihad Buddies crashed 3 planes into buildings most hijackers were, for whatever reasons, forcing planes to land in unplanned destinations. Occasionally you'd get an oddball who'd kidnap people and murder them but that wasn't the norm.

On top of that as has been mentioned airport security was pretty lax.

Now we have TSA agents banning infants from going on flights because they're on nofly lists and confiscating family heirlooms to sell on ebay.

>>84770927
And fucking up cripples too. Don't forget that.

>>84771127
Poor cripples

>>84770927
hell if anyone befitted from 9/11 it's the TSA guys. they got a lot more power and if they're bored they can just slip a watch on some poor brown dude and they have a free show over by the metal detectors.

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>>84771127
TSA is why I've never flown in my life and probably never will. Drive, train or walk, no flying until America becomes a free country again.

>>84745987
Wait i know they think the plane did not do much damage but is this realy suggesting there could have been survivors right at the point of impact.

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I looked up some of this guy's stuff and he's actually real talented, is he a member of the "9/11 broke my brain"-club?
Like how do you go from doing covers for Heavy Metal to this shit?

>>84769010
To be fair, they're not exactly crying WITCH, they just say "hey cool I'd like one of those nifty gadgets senpai"

>>84775914
Time travel slut said the impact was a few floors down.

>>84777170
>a member of the "9/11 broke my brain"-club
He and Frank Miller could've become best buds.

wtf i hate bush now

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>>84745348
Note to self: Never send a woman back in time to prevent a national disaster.

>>84746025
Sandra is an idiot.

You wanna evacuate the World Trade Center ahead of 9/11? Set off a fucking fire alarm.

>>84745710
What exactly would the point of running exercises based on your staged terror attack be? Wouldn't that just give you away?

Why the hell didn't she just pull the fire alarm?

Oh god... I just finished Nemesis. Please don't make me read another!

>>84779027
But Nemesis is actually entertaining.

This is just the writer using a blithering idiot to sum up various things.

She could have used any little detail from their honeymoon to convince him.
She could have pulled a fire alarm.
She could have called in a bomb threat.

She's a grade A moron that somehow managed to get a job at CERN.

>>84767234
Now I want a story where a time traveller approaches some shady government types with 9/11 footage. The intel guys already were working an al-Quaeda angle and we're making their mind up if the intel was solid enough to act on, but now they have to sit on their hands and allow shit to go down because there's an unknowable chance they'll fuck the world up if they stop the attacks.
The POV character kills herself ten years later after shooting the scientist on returning from the time trip.

>>84764333
Some people see a horrible tragedy and the first thing they think is "how can I make this actually about me?"

>>84778939
In a building the size of WTC it isn't practical to evacuate everyone for every fire alarm. Procedure would be to evacuate just the people near the fire and then evacuate others in order of their potential risk based on an asset by emergency services when they arrive.
A lot of people died because communications broke down and they didn't get the order to go until it was too late

>>84778194
True