Why is Cyclops considered one of the most powerful mutants on

>>84719444
>standing in front of him
Read more comics

>>84719586
He can shoot blasts out of the back of his head? They go pretty wide but you still have to be in front of them.

>>84720122
His optic blasts come from another dimension

>>84720181
But which dimension?

>>84719444
>one of the most powerful mutants

Because a lot of the X-men are shitty.

He's just not an idiot most of the time.

>>84720122
He can also do Cap-shield style ridiculous ricochet beams and apparently has super angle-calculation as a secondary power
Which he also uses to cheat at pool

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>>84719444
He can break every bone in your body and send you to Kingdom Come by giving you a stinky eye.

>>84720122
Non-sarcastic reply: the optic-force blasts can be bounced off of objects and Cyclops apparently is pretty good at gauging angles, so technically a blast could bounce around to hit something behind him.

Been a while since I read any X-Men, so I don't remember too clearly how he makes it bounce instead of just blasting through whatever's in front of him.

>>84720258
Beat me to it.

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>>84719444

Well, there are a few reasons

1. His optic blasts are scary as fuck. He can level mountain ranges if he really lets go.
2. He's very accurate with them, with Captain America-tier angling.
3. He's a VERY competent strategist, leading the X-Men to victory from sure defeat many times.
4. Back in the old days, he had the support of the entire X-Men because he such a reliable leader and a kind, trustworthy person.
5. He's one of the most disciplined men in the world, with a will that's nearly impossible to break. This is the result of him having to learn to walk around and live with an uncontrollable mutation that could kill someone if he fucks up even once.
6. He's in very good shape and is a very competent combatant, thinks quick on his feet and has trained rigorously for the majority of his life.

>>84720219
They're punches. From the punch dimension

I'm not kidding

>>84719444
He also has to press his visor with his hand for it to work. He has no control of his beams. Just like a gun.

>>84719444

His brain has a mutation. Makes him super human at strategy. >>84720258 like these guys say he uses it for beams and leadership. Also keeps him from killing himself with those beams.

>>84720564
>4. Back in the old days, he had the support of the entire X-Men because he such a reliable leader and a kind, trustworthy person.
I'm not sure "he was the standard whitebread leader type for decades" is that good a point for him

>>84720683
He has an activation switch in his glove

>>84720739
>Also keeps him from killing himself with those beams.
He's actually immune to his own beams. Same deal as how his and Havok's powers don't work on each other.

>>84720564
also he emits a low mental frequency that causes telepaths to wet themselves.

Seriously the only one that I think didn't try to jump his bones is Rachel and they're related.

>>84720784

Why not? I don't think you'd wanna mess with a guy who could bring an entire population of mutants down on your head.

>>84720867
I'm sure Rachel considered it after Jean died

There really powerful beams

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>>84720784
>standard whitebread leader type

Please go back to drawing fetishised black women, Bendis.

>>84719444
>Why is Cyclops considered one of the most powerful mutants on the X-Men?
I don't think he is.

>>84719444
writers invented the convenient concept of "omega-level mutants" to designate what you call "the most powerful mutants on the X-Men"

Newsflash, genius: Cyclops isn't on the list.

Ask the question about Iceman, now there's something to talk about.

>>84719444
Imagine a Batman tier strategist who could kill you by looking at you.

>>84719444
>Why is Cyclops considered one of the most powerful mutants on the X-Men?

Just read Claremont's run from the beginning and see for yourself. One of Cyclops's biggest badass moments comes in Uncanny 175, but to really appreciate that story you have to start with Giant-Size 1 because 175 is the climax of a slow-burn sequel to the Phoenix and Dark Phoenix stories.

>>84719444
>he's not strong or agile
>if your standing in front of him and can't dodge fast enough

As an X-Men casual, you're a fucking casual piece of shit, OP.

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>>84720564

I said it before Ill keep saying it forever

YOU CAN'T PULL THIS SHIT AND THEN EXPECT US TO FEEL SAD FOR YOU WHEN PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO THE POINT OF VIOLENCE!


>Duuur Im cyclops I can destroy a city block if I take my glasses off. Hey why are you running away? racist.

>>84719444
He isn't even in the top 15 of most powerful X-men

But he's an excellent tactician and leader, and he makes great usage of his powers and skills

He's like Captain America with punch laser eyes

>>84720987

He's her father. "X-Men" is not set in Arkansas.

>>84720564
>with Captain America-tier angling
This. It's canon a part of his mutation.

How much power does the punch dimension have? What would happen if cyclopes kept his eyes open and never shut them

>>84720258
So it's light enough to bounce off concrete, but hard enough to concuss an opponent?

>>84723653
You see, he's called cyclops because one eye is for the bouncing punches and the other for the destructive punches. When he's using the glasses he can pick which punch use, and when he takes them off you get double punching power.

>>84719444
He isn't. He's got good leadership skills and his blasts are strong as fuck but he isn't even close to "one of the most powerful mutants on the X-Men".

>>84723653
Trigonometry bitch

>>84724136
Hmmm...Soh Cah Toa = BLAM you dead bitch

>>84723989
I don't think that is correct, anon...

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>>84719444
He's a one-trick pony that is afraid of using his one trick.
It's easy to see why he's considered weak.
There are good reasons for thinking of him as being so powerful:
It's not just that he can blast mountains into dust and vaporize heavy machinery with a glance (and there's issues with that stuff happening) but he also has amazing pinpoint accuracy and the ability to make impossible bankshots instinctively.
Given that he can, but never does, simply walk around zap-punching all his opponents and ending fights within seconds, he does look like a weakling.
But he could be baddass if he ever actually wanted to hurt someone...

>>84719444

>one of the most powerful mutants

literally nowhere does it ever say this unless they were talking about when he went dark phoenix

>>84726120
He was pretty bad ass during Whedon's run.

>>84722772
why are there not redneck mutants?
with all that inbreeding, some crazy weird shit must be there or West Virginia

>>84726316
Morrison had him breaking a leg from mid-air and upside-down while being thrown by an explosion attack ...
...because that's exacly what he warned the guy that was going to happen if they tried anything.

>>84726636
Cannonball, hell, his entire family including Husk and Wing, Glob Herman, The Morrison-run mutant student appropriately named "Redneck", and I've kinda always assumed Beast was too because "Oh my Stars and Garters" is a pretty damned hayseed thing to say.

>>84719444
Literally Captain America with lasers and the power of math

>>84720564
>1. His optic blasts are scary as fuck. He can level mountain ranges if he really lets go.
Back in Civil War somebody commented that he could crack a small planet if he stopped subconsciously holding back.

He overloaded Bishop in the same issue.

>>84727135
No. CA has comic-steroids.

>>84726751
Sounds about right. The only thing that would be more Morrison is if there was a reference to an obscure Golden Age comic and he also hit a reader with an optic blast.

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>>84727995
holy shit

>>84727794
>comic-steroids
And what's the deal with testicular shrinkage?

>>84719444
As a cyclops fan, I can safely say he is not. He is one of the smarter ones.

So Cyclops has instinctive MIT level understanding of geometry?

Wow thats really convenient. I wish more mutants have instinctive knowledge on their powers.

>>84729058
Magik must have some instinctive ability to account for the movement of celestial bodies when teleports or else she would miss the earth every time she time travels

>>84729058
They do.
Forge instinctively knows how to built tech even when he doesn't know how it works.
Magneto and Polaris both can instictively identify differences in magnetic fields, they don't teach that sh*t anywhere.
Beast's reflexes and superhuman balance involves instinctual understanding of physics, weight distribution, momentum, and who knows what else.
Elixir found out he was a mutant when he first instinctively acted to use his healing abilities, same story with that Triage guy.
Storm and the weather... Colossus and triggering his metal form... etc... etc...

>>84729466
Cypher can understand any language - even dead ones with no common frame of reference, alien languages, and genetic codes.

>>84722402
Superman does it.

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Here's a question: Why is Storm considered one of the most powerful mutants?
She's completely worthless in an enclosed environment.
I get that she can monsoon Kansas to death anytime she wants, always a useful skill, but her go-to attack is pansy-ass underpowered hand-lightning. Even her back-up move of a big gust of wind isn't going to win any battles.
Why the respect?
For Goddess's sake, the one time there's a weather-related (Inhuman-Death-Cloud) threat she still isn't useful to anyone.

>>84729058
Don't think it's instinctive, pretty sure it was drilled into him at the institute.

>>84730720
No, the geometry thing is a part of his powerset. That shit comes naturally.

>>84730664

Apparently she has the ability to control molecules or something. Also apparently she has a lot of feats of beating superior foes in H2H combat, so idk.

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he fathered cable and thats all that matters.

>>84723653
like bouncing a basketball off the wall and into your face

Who's the most useless X-Man?

He'll fucc you up anon

>>84731665
Glob Herman

>>84733886
That dude is flamable and it doesn't hurt him. And I'm pretty sure those bones and organs are just for show, he's all big walking blob of whatever guy, he's probably buttetproof.

>>84720258
>tfw no Gambit & Cyclops: Pool Hustlers

>>84731131
And she's Strange-tier mage.

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>>84730664
She can't dissipate the terrigan cloud without pissing off all the Inhumans and redirecting it is dangerous as it makes her powers unstable by proximity. There was a recent X-Force where she does actually start redirecting it but the strain from doing so leaves her vulnerable to the enemies who knock her out so that she can't anymore.

As to power, she can use her lightning to alter molecules, and can generate enough power to make Herald level enemies take notice, see pic related.

>>84734174
That's Magik, not Storm. Also, no she's not. She has the potential to get up there but currently she is still being trained by Strange.

>>84723989
Sounds 100% legit

>>84734133
FYI, Gambit DOES hustle pool using his mutant abilities to manipulate kenetic energy.
For real, how else did you think he could throw a playingcard so accurately?

>>84719444
he's not. anyone could beat the shit out of him simply by wearing ruby quartz armor. the whole thing with his visor allowing him to have the blasts go through it by him "thinking about it" doesn't explain the energy traveling through his visor as a medium. it's kind of a dumb power. at least with beast it's plausible that genetics can advance someone physically and mentally, or with iceman it's already a power he has to bend the laws of thermodynamics. with cyclops it's "oh energy is blocked by inanimate ruby quarts but magically goes through ruby quartz when i want it to"

>>84734230
whoa source please. stardust and storm fighting is something that is relevant to my interests

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>>84734365
>anyone could beat the shit out of him simply by wearing ruby quartz armor.
You act as if cyclops relies on his optic blast to win battles.
See pic related.

>>84734365
He can shoot through the quartz.
They've shown him shattering glasses and visors when he gets mad enough, and there's been text to back that up.
Also, he's been shown shooting optic beams through the lenses of his wrap-around glasses without destroying them.
(that could have been an artist's oversight though, then it gets repeated by others)

>>84734340
But... that's exactly why I want that to happen.
Bonus if it's done in vein of 90's movies, like Harley Davidson and Marlboro Man.
>>84734478
I thought he relies on child soldiers to win battles :^)

>>84734478
He's been listed as a black belt in Judo at least since Claremont's days.

>>84734577

Well no. He relied on Wolverine but Wolverine was sometimes to busy drinking to help, so that's why Cyke pulled a Kony.

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>>84734430
Fantastic Four 546.

Also pic related has Storm manipulating the atoms of her clothing to create her costume on the fly. From her recent solo series if anyone's wondering.

>>84734478
beast or nightcrawler would beat the shit out of him if they were wearing ruby quartz armor. he would not stand a chance

>>84734577
>I thought he relies on child soldiers to win battles :^)
He knows that if you train them at a young age they'll follow you to their death. They do the same shit in American. Kill off villages and keep the young males to make them soldiers. I wish I was a smart as cyclops and had my own army of children to do my bidding.

>>84734614
thx anon

>>84734637
that didn't work out so hot for Stick. DD and Electra hate his guts

>>84734577
All X men do, using child soldiers is a tradition that begun with prof X

>>84734634
You act as if cyclops couldn't predict their every move, you act as if cyclops would blast his surrounding to create obstructions and traps for them. He trained hope to learn to win without her powers, you think he wouldn't do them same for himself?

>>84734634

It'd be a tough battle but I'd still give it to cyke. If he can't blast you he's going to use the terrain. Beast and Nightcrawler even with additional protections are probably the worst people in the world to fight him. He knows both of them and knows exactly how they fight. He'll see every move coming before they think of it.

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>>84734365
>the whole thing with his visor allowing him to have the blasts go through it by him "thinking about it"
But that's not how his visor works. At all.

>>84734692
lol "muh strategery" is not the same as spider sense.

if cyclops could do all that without powers, he would be a self sufficient team unto himself and would not need other mutants to carry out his goals.

>>84734710
Yes, how does he dare to lead team in team book.

Cyclops can fly too if he wants to.

>>84734697
are you kidding me? beast and nightcrawler always use the terrain in every fight they're in. nightcrawler crawls on walls and ceilings.

>they'll see every move

he won't see nightcrawler teleporting behind him but he WILL see beast's kicks but won't be fast enough to react because beast is faster. cyclops does not have advanced strength or agility.

>>84734710

Read the comics boyo. "muh strategy" is exactly how Scott has defeated the entire team before. Every time Scott fights a fellow X-Man he win based on his intimate knowledge of them as an individual. Optic blasts are the least part of his combat ability.

>>84734710
>if cyclops could do all that without powers, he would be a self sufficient team unto himself and would not need other mutants to carry out his goals

the scenario was beast or nightcrawler. He knows he needs a team to defeat the enemies that come against them that's why he is always leading a team. I nor anyone else said he could beat the entire marvel universe all at once or even one at a time.

Considering most folks in the marvel universe aren't bullet proof, being a walking gun seems good enough. His powers aren't what makes him dangerous though, it's his ability to get shit done.

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>>84734478
Yeah, Cyclops once said that the reason he got so buff was because he figured the human-type body he has is as much a part of his natural mutant abilities as his optic blasts, or for that matter someone like Beast or Colossus' physical forms, and so there wasn't any sense in finding the limits of utilizing one aspect of his abilities if he didn't push the limits of them all.
If that sounds a bit obsessive, don't blame him, it's Xavier that put the thought into his head.

>>84734614
That's bullshit. Are they considering Storm a reality warper now?

>>84734706

see
>>84726120

he can't control the beams like that without his hand changing the concentration and power knob. there are not enough eye muscles for him to do it on his own. i like this diagram that touches on crystallography a whole fuckin lot, but it does not explain the the control of how the optic beam can widen the angle.

again, he can't control the power without using a hand to turn a knob on his head, and if he get his arm broken, immobilized, or even swatted away for a moment, game over.

>>84734849
Think of his eyes as a water main and his visor as the faucet. The more the visor opens, the wider the angle is.

Most writers don't really bother to think of how exactly this shit works while writing him anymore, but that's how it's supposed to be.

As for his visor controls, there's a manual one on the visor itself and a remote on his hand. That's how he's able to OPTIC BLAST people while his arms are restrained or whatever.

>>84734776
>needs a team to defeat his enemies

right. he can't do it by himself, he is not that powerful. so we're on the same page.

>>84730664
She's able to control the local environment and redirect and absorb it's powers.
If she's in outer space she can manipulate cosmic energy and starlight
If it's in hell she can rain hell fire from everywhere and breath deathflam, if it's in a dimension where clouds of razor sharp diamonds form in the air, she would be able to shoot razor sharp diamonds at people.

She's also some kind of martial arts prodigy and is genetically related to some queen bitch super mage that is aged genghis tier. Meaning, that if she was found by a coven of witches or a mage as a child and trained in magic....then there is a good possibility that she would have beaten steven strange and become the sorceress supreme.

>>84734265
Um, no.
It's canon that she has the potential to be equal to or surpass steven strange when it comes to magic.

>>84734842
Dude, almost all superpowers make heroes "reality warpers".
Hulk makes mass and energy for strength from thin air, Wolverine heals holes in his body by making flesh out of nothing, then there's all the telekinetics...
Nobody really has to explain why Superman can fly, he just does because he needs to.

>>84734918
i can't remember when it was, but cyclops lost his powers or something (maybe it was all new x-men)? maybe it was after phoenix force, i don't know, but when he tried to optic blast, the light itself went zigzagging through the air. it was ill conceived. it's not just the writers, it might be artists too

>the more the visor opens the wider the angle is
and there's the rub. by the nature of the quarts on that blueprint thing posted above, there would be no way to have a small, concentrated beam that is focused because the angle of the ruby quartz is suck that the intensity goes down because it is directly correlated with the angle. light is not concentrated like the gas in a blow torch because there is less area unless it is redirected. the ruby quartz shading does not account for the redirection that would be required

>>84734842
There's lots of classic comics where they can make their costumes materialize out of thin air. Think the costumes are specially designed so they can do that or some shit.

>>84735028
scuse me. *quartz*

not "suck", i meant to say "such"

>>84734921
Utilization ones resources is not a fault. Very few of the X-men could strategically win battles like he does.

>>84734947
Only because he's a mortal human and she's the default devil-goddess of Limbo.
Half of his spells are just calling on old bargains, with THINGS like her, to use their magic.
She doesn't have to sell her soul to the devil, she already is the devil.

>>84735028
>i can't remember when it was, but cyclops lost his powers or something (maybe it was all new x-men)? maybe it was after phoenix force, i don't know, but when he tried to optic blast, the light itself went zigzagging through the air. it was ill conceived. it's not just the writers, it might be artists too
Yeah, that was during Bendis's run when the powers of the former Phoenix Five were "broken." That entire subplot was stupid and ill-conceived.


>>the more the visor opens the wider the angle is
>and there's the rub. by the nature of the quarts on that blueprint thing posted above, there would be no way to have a small, concentrated beam that is focused because the angle of the ruby quartz is suck that the intensity goes down because it is directly correlated with the angle. light is not concentrated like the gas in a blow torch because there is less area unless it is redirected.

Cyclops's optic blasts aren't actually light, though. People treat them like lasers sometimes, but that's not what they are or how they're supposed to work at all.

Same deal as them starting fires in the movies and shit. It may seem like they "should," but that's not what they actually do.

>>84735034
Truthy. The Flash used to hide his costume in a secret compartment inside a ring. (!)

gr8 b8 m8

>>84735086
so i'm guessing those few would be

nightcrawler
storm
cable
forge
banshee
magneto
multiple man
^^^all have been leaders

and you're saying that no one else has strategy or has learned? beast has been an avenger and a defender. i'm pretty sure he could handle it.

wolverine doesn't have enough tactical experience?

shadowcat doesn't?

sage?

monet st. croix?

come on, anon.

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>>84735167
>The Flash used to hide his costume in a secret compartment inside a ring. (!)
He still does.

>>84735161
okay well the entire point of ruby quarts is because of whatever refraction properties it has, that has to do with light. so if you're telling me it isn't light, then the power is ill-conceived and stupid.

>>84735234
Still? Groan... Damnit DC! This isn't what we paid you for!

>>84735234
And then white Wally came back and made fun of him for not knowing how to make a suit out of goes fast

>>84735244
damn it i meant "quartz" with a z

>>84735244
Optic blasts are concussive force, not light. It's been said a few times that the red is there for guiding purposes.

Yeah it's bullshit, but for the longest time it was consistent bullshit and that's the best anyone can really hope for when it comes to comics.

>>84735244
Green Lantern has willpower-powered green light telekenesis.
The bar is low.
A weird radiation that emparts kenetic energy is practically confirmed science in these days of God particles and CERN supercolliders.

>>84735098
No, I'm talking about Storm. And her ancestor is/was some sort of demigoddess super sorceress.

>>84735207
Carol Danvers has been a leader

That doesn't mean she's as good a tactician as Captain America

Wolverine is a shit leader who's years of martial arts training ALWAYS devolves into cutting shit wildly with his unbreakable claws.

Storm, Cable and Magneto are the only ones you've list who have demonstrated leadership skills on Scott's level

>>84735207
Cyclops is a tactical and strategical master, sinestro, ozymandias or Aizen level.
-NIghtcrawler leadership was so pathetic he never tried to do it again after austen run
-Storm is leading the X men right now, and she's kissing medusa feet, quite the leader
-Cable is too violent for a regular team, he's more fitting for black ops
-Same for wolverine
-Magneto is too violent and unthrusworthy, he also treats people as pawns
-Madrox is good at street level bu he can't win a war

Cyclops has been leading the X men since day one, he knows all of them, how they work together, how they interact, how their power works and on top of it he's been trying to make bridges with humans all his lifes so he gots lot of politcal experience with them. He's also most of the time a humble person and not a god wannabe wich makes him far more relatable to the persons he wants to help

>>84735413
>Madrox, the one-man army, can't win a war.

Well played, sir.

>>84735304

>i like this comic book character because he's a comic book character

okay cool, that's way more subjective and you should have just said "because i like him because that's my preference" right from the start. i for one don't see the appeal. i prefer beast, nightcrawler, cable, and forge. with beast it's genetic enhanced evolution, with nightcrawler it's dimensional powers, with cable it's a power that from the start is more "spiritual" psionic stuff i guess you could call it... but his gun is from the future so that's advanced technology. and with forge at his mutant power has variations in ingenuity. none of those characters have conflicting stories about their far fetched powers, they're more stable. the eye beam power doesn't translate well.

i think cyclops is popular because he's perceived as a bossy alpha white male, not because he's an interesting character or his powers are well explained. i'm not about that life, it's not compelling to me.

>>84720564
nigga owns a jetpack too

>>84735395
1) DC is less appealing than Marvel
2) alien tech
3) the bar is low because, as consumers, fans similar to cyclops fans keep spending money on comics that showcase characters with the bar set low
4) fair point, but is that information going to be released to the public so we can talk about it in forums or are they going to sell it to the highest corporate bidder to wage more deadly wars with?

>>84735579
Give it time. He might surprise you.

>>84735579
>not because he's an interesting character
What part of cyclops' jacked up life and convoluted family is not interesting? Cyclops is the most interesting X-men, without him X-men would have been completely boring.

>>84735579
I actually never really much liked Scott that much, and I really can't stand the total asshole that he's become in recent years.

I just happen to have absorbed a lot of information about his powers over the years and dislike when people get their specifics wrong, that's all.

And while I don't necessarily agree with >>84735655
>Cyclops is the most interesting X-men

said, he's far from a boring character.

>>84719444
alpha muties

cyclops
havok
jean grey
xavier
magneto
iceman
cable
x man

omega muties

legion

that the pecking order as i know it please fill in if you know

>>84735413
>he knows how they interact

then he would have known better than to keep secrets from beast. he would have known to keep beast as a confidant, he would have kept beast in the loop.

if he did know how beast react and did it anyway, cyclops is either A) taking beast for granted, B) trying to alienate Beast from the rest of the team including Iceman, Beast's best friend and C) also willing to disregard Magneto, another strategist, by saying what Beast did with the bring O5 to the present "didn't matter"

>he's been trying to make bridges with humans
>political experience

not as much as beast, and showed that he did not have the fortitude to engage in diplomacy like Beast would have

>humble

and now you're making shit up

>>84735655
Now there's a thought!
Pre-Giant-Sized? yeah, it was all him. Post, I think even though he got the best stories the new teammembers had great backstories and interesting arcs.
Hell, Wolverine's origin grew into legendary mystery status. That's kinda rare.

>>84735655
havok is more interesting than cyclops

the x-men would still be entertaining without cyclops

>>84735732
I wonder if Medusa keeps McCoy on a leash...?
I guess Lockjaw got tired of being their mascot.

>>84735777
You know he's been evil ever since AXIS, right? They even gave him supervillain scars.

>>84735732
Beast is backstabbing furry son of a bitch, if anything cyclops knew of treacherous ways and kept him out of the loop so he wouldn't interfere. His plans are crap (the O5 never stopped cyclops) and he's now Medusa's personal bitch, if anything I hope Cyclops kills him like sentry killed ares or injects him with a mutant cure and then turn him into an Inhuman because he doesn't deserve to be a member of the mutant race

>>84735411
Carol has Steve Roger's discipline and military training.

>>84736169
But she's been shown to be a poor tactician in multiple titles.

>>84735916
That got resolved off-screen, along with Wasp being in his rape dungeon

>>84721766

Unintentionally started a global ice age because he was depressed. He qualifies.

>>84727061
nice
I'm immediately more interested in Cannonball
any recs for this madman?

>>84737288

wat

>>84737937
Wasp was last seen being kidnapped by Inverted Havok, but she just showed up recently.

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>can't fly
He and Godzilla are the best type of fliers

>>84734970
Dude, there's a difference between healing fast and changing your shirt into a leather jacket. If she can change one thing into another thing by pokering it's molecules then that's reality warping.

>>84729613

Cypher had a cool power that became broken as fuck when they brought him back from the dead

seriously, combat as a language

>>84730626
But Superman, to me you are a gun.
Seriously though what was he supposed to do, let the Giant robot cream his friends and family because he didn't want to spook possible onlookers?

>>84737951
She was fine in Rage of Ultron

And that guest appearance in All New Wolverine

>>84738528
>It's okay when superman does it

I bet you think spider man is a menace too

Ayy comic recommendations for Cyclops not being bullied and doing good shit?

>>84736030
beast is also a hypocrite.
angry at banner for experimenting on himself (to keep the hulk in check)
but he himself does the same thing just to make himself stronger.

even the watcher was disgusted with beast

>>84737988
>Flyclops
oh man, that brings me back.

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>>84738750
Truly the most fearsome mutant

>>84738794
I want to see mutant hitler flying around via a fucking swastika now.

>>84719444
The idea behind the mutants was that there are no useless powers, only lack of imagination.

Razorback? Ability to drive any vehicle.

Of course, later morrison came, and royally shat on the concept of x-men

>>84722402
Why not? The government does it every day

>>84726636
Yeah but mutants aren't mutants because of random genetic mutations. Mutants get their powers all from the same genetic mutation so just having your dna fucked up isn't gonna make you a "mutant" in the Marvel sense

>>84726636
There actually were I would give you examples, but I doubt you still lurk here

>>84739832
True, but there actually were redneck mutants, and a lot of them actually over the 50+ years of marvel history

>>84731308
Yeah but a basketball is a solid object.

Cyclops shoots light. That would be like a laser pointer bouncing off a building then knocking you out.

>>84740408
No he shoots a concussive force out of portals in his eyes, it's artistically represented by a bright red beam.

>>84726316
The moment he tees off on on the sentinel on the lawn and even Logan is just like "bruh." was one of the most enjoyable x-pages I've ever read.

>>84735629
KEK

really all we needed to know. I'm sold. Shit the Rocketeer has mad a career off just that.

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So what happens if one was to snipe Scott from far away. He can't see, or move fast enough to dodge bullets.

>>84740767
Then you'll have shot cyclops in the head.

>>84740467
>>84722402

I hadn't seen it posted up there.... god it's a sexy page.

>>84740790
Then Frank truly is the best Marvel character. HELL YEAH NIGGA!

>>84740767
What happens if one was to snipe Steve Rogers from far away? or shoot him up close on courthouse steps?

>>84740882
But then you can just shoot Frank in the head.
In fact Cyclops could probably do it much better if he was inclined to. In fact there's probably several characters far more adept at shooting fuckers in the head than Frank can ever be.

>>84740767
The only characters that can beat that situation are the extremely bulletproof or the Flash.

>>84743309
bullseye should be a fucking cosmic lvl character then

>>84743309
You could bullshit inherent protective forces for some of them. Magic shields, GL ring maybe since the aura protects life functions.

>>84743419
Characters tend to hit extremely bullet proof well before they reach cosmic tier.
Plus he has low ambition.
Get money, troll the disabled.
Not much to work with on a cosmic scale.

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when I was a kid Id steal my mom's rose-colored sunglasses and my dad's laser pointer so I could run around the yard pretending I was cyclops

>>84739261
/pol/ detected... Glad I'm not the only one.

>>84743672
but he could be so much more!

how many shitty throw away arcs have there been over the years where someone invents a super gun. one super-er than the last one and this time it can kill superman or galactus or what ever the plot needs.

Throw bullseye in a space ship and give him a superweapon.

>>84743816
This made me smile.

>>84744189
Nobody wants to do that.

>>84744407
We threw punisher in space, gave him super weapons and shit and people loved it!

>>84720564
Not to mention he used his mind to shackle the fucking Void.

>>84735629
Hope stole it and it got rekt, sorry.

>>84727995
Is this real?

>>84729466
>Polaris
Is she in any books currently?

>>84740408
>light
Nope

>>84719444
>No defensive powers

Not quite true. He absorbs cosmic energy. He could star-dip like Superman if he wanted to (Havok did it to kick Gabriel's ass).

>>84735413
>Storm is kissing Medusa feet
>Because Marvel is a bullshit
>THIS IS CLEARLY EBCAUSE STORM SUCKS AS A LEAER GUYS

>>84745950
Yes. It was in that one AvX joke issue. Slott's page was pretty good too

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>>84734692
>>84734697
Like pic related.

>>84746252
Well that's the thing. If he absorbs solar radiation then his eyes aren't portals to the punch dimension

It's not really clear which one is canon these days

>>84750902
He absorbs solar radiation to power his dimensional rifts.

>>84746252
616 Scott doesn't do that, that's Ultimate Scott's thing. Or he was focused on solar energies, no matter. Punch Dimension is way to go.

>>84734614
>Storm manipulating the atoms of her clothing to create her costume on the fly
Doesn't she wear unstable molecules? I'm pretty sure she did that back in Claremont's run.

>>84746252
>He absorbs cosmic energy
No, you're thinking of his brother Alex. Scott absorbs solar radiation, absorbing other types of energy "IS" possible but it's really inefficient and/or painful for him.

>>84751432
What's the difference between cosmic energy and solar radiation?

>>84751741
cosmic energy's the stuff that turned the four fantastic

>>84751741
One is sunlight, the other is all the other shit airplane passengers get bombarded with when they're flying.

>>84751301
She did it in the first episode of TAS too. I'm pretty sure it's just unstable molecules

https://youtu.be/Pe8udESyuS8?t=5m

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>>84751301
They are

Besides the Captain America-level plot armor, he's really not one of the powerful ones.

>>84743419
>bullseye should be a fucking cosmic lvl character then

Why? cause other characters aren't sniper proof? The danger of a sniper to even the most skilled/powerful hero is that the bullet reaches you well before the sound does. You have no advance warning unless you're Spiderman. If you aren't bullet proof or haven't been able to react as soon as a bullet hits you to defend yourself (as the flash has) this means that a sniper can kill you.

So, any argument that "hurf durf, a sniper can take him out" applies to about ninety percent of all heroes. I'm not slobbering all over sniper dick, any ambush guy with a gun qualifies. It's dumb as fuck to do this shit in comics too.

I mean, anyone remember super Nick Fury with his super sniper rifle in Original Sin? That shit was so bad I retroactively hated Marvel comics that I used to like. It was so bad that it made things that happened before it worse.

>>84752267
Yeah, I realize that now. Some reason I thought I read somewhere he was considered Omega level, but he's not.

>>84752267
He's not one of the most powerful, but he's still pretty powerful.

>>84750115
Why are they fighting?

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>>84731665
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/bailey-hoskins/4005-125503/

>Bailey Hoskins is the child of two closeted mutants who passed the mutant gene onto their son. With the help of the X-Men Bailey learned he is a mutant firecracker, capable of detonating his whole body like a bomb but the explosive forces released will kill him. Unable to use his powers Bailey wears a powered suit of armor as the newest member of the X-Men

>>84754115
Why does he even need the x-men if he's just going to live a normal life and never use his power? The team's whole point is to train people to use their powers.

>>84734842
That's a thing with her since Giant Size X-Men 1.

>>84754280
A group of Sentinels attacked the Institute while Bailey and his family were visiting and finding out what his powers were. His parents got stepped on and he was orphaned.

He had nowhere else to go, and apparently the combat classes at mandatory at that school.

>>84754280
Jihadify the Inhumies

>>84722402
soldier 76

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>>84740767

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>>84753236
Idk but here is this from UXM 127.
1/5

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>>84755129
2/5

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>>84755151
3/5

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>>84755172
4/5

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>>84755195
5/5

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best costume in comics, right here, too.

>>84719444

I don't think you understand how vision works. If he can see you, he can hit you. Guns require hand to eye co-ordination. Looking at things doesnt't.

>>84756194
>condomhead
>nonsensical visor

No.

>>84753236
Uncanny X-men 175

Mastermind was making the X-men think he was Phoenix and they were going all out against him

>>84719444
Stupid fucking biclops

>>84734614
most of the X-Men costumes are Shi'Ar unstable molecule tech so they can do weird stuff like turn back and forth from costume to regular clothing. Writer's forget about it, but since Prof X was banging the head of the Shi'Ar Empire, the X-Men had all sorts of super advanced make Reed Richards jealous type tech

>>84756696
It's Byclops dumbass.

>>84740767
I've never understood why Black Mask or some other Batman villain hasn't just hired snipers to sit around waiting for Gordan to turn the bat-signal on and snipe Bats when he shows up.

>>84720564
None of this explains how one sniper bullet can't just take him out in a world with elite mutant assassins

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>>84754455
>and apparently the combat classes at mandatory at that school.
I bet Slim is behind this.

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>>84756194
Nah my favorite is pic related

>>84758268
I have the t-shirt

>>84719444
>Why is Cyclops considered one of the most powerful mutants on the X-Men?
Because he's right.

>>84720564
Valid points but the way you write cracks me up, reads like bad fan fiction or copy pasta.

>>84758268
the metal cuffs and leggings are dumb as shit. Otherwise it's solid.

>>84759287
It breaks up a mostly unicolor costume.

>>84759351
it still thematically and design-wise makes absolutely no fucking sense. He isn't Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman he has no need for metal cuffs and leggings whatsoever. They'd even be a hindrance to movement at times.

Also they look stupid as fuck.

Cyclops doesn't really have a bad costume imo

>>84723100
Don't know but in the old days where his power was powered by the sun and moon, i think i read that he could discharge and deplete his battery

>>84735629
why the fuck was this not the first point? Made me read all that garbage for nothing

>>84738500
Wait, what?

>>84758268
>>84756194
Y'all niggas serious? The best costume is the one in OP, especially with the leather jacket combo.

>>84757745
Happened in Ultimatum... Sort of.

>>84756986
Stop using logic

>>84719444
Power is OP. Plus he's smart. And he knows who he fights. He wrecked the X-Men singlehandedly iirc. The all encompassing powers that have little weaknesses is more of the Avengers deal anyways. X-Men are more about extreme power in a single area.
inb4 these cheesy multi power mutants like Apocalypse, he was ultimately jist a hamfisted attempt to move the storyline forward.

>>84723100
>how much power does the punch dimension have?
Another valid question, is the punch dimension powerful enough to generate free energy for an entire city, country, or planet?

The ol' Superman turning a turbine argument.

>>84754115
>learned
How do you even learn that? It's not like you can just up an suicide bomb yourself, get up, and say "wow that was neat"

>>84719444
Because he fucks your asshole every night.

>>84765140
I wish

>>84720564
how does he even do this

does he just have to look really hard at someone and punch them into space?

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>Why is Cyclops considered one of the most powerful
OPTIC BLAST!

>>84720258
>>84720435
I honestly liked it better when literally everything every X-Man ever did wasn't a mutant power.
When Claremont wrote him that trick wasn't a superpower at all; it was just something he practiced over and over and over again until he got good at it.

Like Cap and his shield.

>>84722402
In Cyke's defense, the uncontrollability combined with the sheer power of his mutation is fairly unusual.
Even extremely powerful mutants like Storm, who is personally capable of ridiculous ecological damage with her powers, actually need to expend effort to use their powers and it tires them to use them too much too often, and need practice to use the upper limits of them.
Cyke's dial was set to 11 permanently and then snapped off, and it never runs out and he never gets tired; this is fairly rare in terms of mutant powers.

>>84726636
Cannonball's entire family is one.
And Tabitha Smith is trailer trash.

>>84756986
Even the games handled this.

Because that's how you get knocked unconscious by the bat and hung by your feet from somewhere until the cops decide to show up.

i'm so fucking confused

does he shoot lasers or punches? is it just whatever the author decides at the time?

>>84766821
Back in the day it ran out and he had to tan to recharge

>>84734842
No fuckface.
She did that in like her third ever appearance in comic books when Claremont was still writing her.
Maybe not talk shit about some shit before you actually READ about said shit for once.

>>84766964
It was never lasers.

>>84766964
It's concussive force, any burns on the target are from friction.

>>84735207
>nightcrawler
Decent leader, not a particularly great tactician. Very good at flying by the seat of his pants though. He's a swashbuckler, not a tactical thinker.
>storm
Yes. She's just very clear-headed most of the time and knows how to stay chill and think intelligently. Or used to I guess.
>cable
Well literally a entire lifetime of warfare will do that do you.
>forge
Not so much. He's smart, but bot like a tactical genius or anything.
>banshee
He's good with tactics but not a great leader.
Mostly because he was older and more experienced then everyone else so he knew how to throw down really well.
>magneto
Magneto's good at everything he tries apparently. He's supposed to be absurdly intelligent and competent.
>multiple man
All he needs is one dupe to go learn everything there is to learn about tactics and join whatever military he wants to and the re-absorb the dupe and then he gains everything the dupe knew.
Multiple Man can logically given enough time be good at pretty much any skill he chooses to devote a dupe to spending time learning.

>>84755172
lol called him shorty

>>84735207
>and you're saying that no one else has strategy or has learned? beast has been an avenger and a defender. i'm pretty sure he could handle it.
He was a follower both times, using his agility and strength in combat. Not his brains.
>wolverine doesn't have enough tactical experience?
He does, but formerly he was a shitty team player. He's good in a fight but tends to think in straight lines ("run at them with my claws and aim for vitals"), and was never a team leader.
Until recently, but like literally everything new about Wolverine it's basically dogshit fueled by his popularity. Apparently some faggoty-ass writers can't stand their favorite if he's not perfect.
>shadowcat
Smarter then you'd think at tactics, but not a leader temperamentally speaking. When a character is "put in charge" this actually does nothing for their knowledge and personality; it's just a writer showing blatant favoritism without actual backround put into it and without caring if it makes any sense at all.
>sage?
Like Forge, she's smart but not a leader.
>monet
Smart as hell, but such a huge bitch in terms of personality that she's kind of going to grate on people. She can hardly even speak without sounding condescending most of the time.

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>>84752190
I know being Peter Parker is suffering, but do you you know how many decades it took for him to get a suit of unstable particles? All these MUGGAS getting them without even saying high to the FF. They probably stole them. Pic related He's a thief

>>84735207
>Beast able to think
What the fuck are are you on about? Beast has got to be the most captured mutant in all of comic history. Like he is the Daphne of muggas. Dark beast, Osborne, Sinister, Apocalypse, the US government and a billion others. Hank has never been a character known for his field work he can't fight to save his life even when he has Spiderman tier abilities

>>84764580
>is the punch dimension powerful enough to generate free energy

In an X-men run Cyclopses were used as human batteries to keep a planet from blowing up. They used a lot of him.

>>84762348
Patrish

>>84767015
>No fuckface.

Jesus, someone's a little salty. Facts are facts. If a mutant can change one thing into another thing, even if it's underwear to a snickers bar, they're a reality warper. We all know Storm is the biggest gd mary sue anyway. She's amazingly powerful, knows how to fight, can pick any lock, is a black woman with naturally straight hair and blue frigging eyes.

When you put all that amazing into one character they always wind up being shit. Oh, and she likes to be called goddess and was a queen until she got tired of it. FFS

>>84767404
to be fair if I was an immortal, indestructible, hairy manlet I'd be a pretty lazy fighter

>>84769411
I always wondered why Wolverine was considered a skilled fighter. If he had any skill at all he wouldn't spend every issue of every comic he was ever in healing from getting stabbed in the face.

>>84767404
>was never a team leader.
I liked how in both the Yost/Kyle and Uncanny X-Forces he isn't so much as leading his teammates, but just kinda pointing and everyone just fought together on skill and mutual trust.

>>84769672
I always thought of it as more of a
>Fuck it I'm gonna tossed around anyway why bother do the twenty backflips and hitting water with my palm

>>84769672
He's just more reckless then the others because he knows he can take it.

>>84769672
Wolverine isn't a skilled fighter, exactly.
No, he's just the best killer.

>>84769672
>If he had any skill at all he wouldn't spend every issue of every comic he was ever in healing from getting stabbed in the face.
He's had a shit ton of training, problem is that he has forgotten it from how long he's lived and he easily loses his temper and just goes full berserker rage.

>>84726120
Given how often Xavier is uncrippled, it is surprising that Scott never gets the brain damage that keeps him from controlling his powers healed.

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>>84769672
Spider-Man thinks he lets himself get hurt on purpose so he can kill his attacker and say they had it coming

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>>84771121

>>84771187
BASED.

I remember grinning when I read that.

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>>84758268
I always preferred the open-hair look. I have no idea what that yellow strap on his chest is, though. Pouches?

>>84771705
when I was a kid who only knew him from the games, I always assumed that X harness thing was hooked up to his visor, collected and stored energy from his eyes and fed it into his suit while fighting so he could punch and kick giant robots so good

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>>84771933

>>84771933
And then Bendis proceeds to do nothing else with Scott's revolution after he was attacked during a speech by sentinels. That run was a big old wet fart.

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>>84772297
there's always imagination.

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>>84770720
That finally got explained in Whedon's run as being that his inability to control his powers were an adopted psychosomatic ailment used as a means to control himself and thus avoid the dreaded (as Emma put it) "abandon" that he feared so as a child.
So Em' temporarily "cured" Scott just in time for a big classic style X-Men space adventure.
And that's all you need to know about that for now.

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>>84726636
There's Mudbug

>>84733886
Go fuck yourself. Glob Herman is king!

>>84774333
Yeah! He once ran through a car! While on fire! Super-Wax-Powers GO!

>>84735244
I remember a comic where Cyclops was locked up in a specially designed cell that used a red light on a certain wavelength to neutralize his powers.

But I'm not sure if that's real or was just my imagination...

>>84774333
He's a shitty Rockslide wannabe

>>84754651
He wasn't actually shot though. Quicksilver ran up and pushed the bullet through his head so fast no one saw it.

>>84775002
He predates Rockslide by two years.

>>84775638
And spent most of his existence in limbo/jail while Rockslide was getting actual character development and a personality. Which Glob is stealing

Lemire literally doesn't know the difference between the two. That's why he's made Glob and Anole best friends

>>84775002
Do we really need to talk about how original Rockslide is?
I swear I've seen him in an anime from two decades ago.
And does Ben Grimm know about his bastard love child?

>>84771705
I liked the Basilisk costume with the mask that splits open down the middle, and the fact that he had his eyelids ripped off so he couldn't close his eyes was pretty brutal.

>>84776140
Yet another situation that wouldn't last with just one healer around...

By the way, how messed up is it that he has an S/m stalker in Frenzy now?
Did they totally drop that weirdness?
Why is this not the birth of a supervillain yet?

TELL ME ABOUT CYKE?

WHY DOES HE WEAR THE X?

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>>84776349
Frenzy should have swooped in on Scott after AvX. That would have been therapeutic as hell for Scott.

>>84737988
>tfw this is 100% accurate
The effects of his blasts don't affect him. Thereby there would be none of the push back that would otherwise make this sort of thing 'troll-science' tier. Given there would be no counter force at all or it would be felt in the punch-zone he really technically should be able to do this given the nature of his powers.

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>tfw just changed my GT to Rightclops

>>84776725
Shut the Fuuuuuuuck UP with that shitpost crap.
I should report you for posting that rule violation imagery.

The only reason fans want to see his powers expand to flight abilities is because there's always been text about how much he wants to fly and how naturally he takes to being a pilot.
Given that his powers have never fully developed, and that there's no set rule about it being an eye's only thing, the potential for something like what Cannonball does is there.
So get over it and stop shitposting.

>>84777019
Not him, but what the fuck is your problem?

>>84777019
Excuse me but it's canon that his blasts have reduced effects on him. Thereby the counter force would be less than the force and it would propel him.
Sorry friend.
Further, I don't care if he flies or not in the actual books I just think the idea is cool, is all.

>>84764745
They had Beast run a few DNA tests on him.

Can someone point me to the right direction and recommend me some rightclops comics?

>>84777176
New X-Men then Astonishing
Deadly Genesis.
Read from just past Rise and fall of shi'ar into Messiah CompleX into Second Coming and past it.
Skip AvX.
Continue in Uncanny.

Schism is Rightkino.

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>>84776699
No way, that crazy b-witch is only all about the hardcore "I deserve this" version of S/m, that might have been good enough for that Basilisk identity but the modern X-clops has sampled the perversions that Emma Frost had to offer.
There's no way he could downgrade from that.

>>84777217
Don't forget: You have to distinguish between Morrison's New X-Men and the other "New X-Men" runs when you advise reads.
There is a real difference.

>>84719444
>That's about as effective as using a gun.

An omnidirectional trick shot gun that can level entire city blocks.

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>>84777176
X-Men: Unlimted #1 was a good Cyclops story.

>>84777456
I miss Kirby dots.

>>84777176
>>84777456
In a similar vein, X-Men: Evolution had a great episode where Mystique leaves Cyclops in the middle of the Mexican desert without his visor.

https://youtu.be/ls9op1efols

>>84777873
>okay, the good news: there wasn't anyone there
>the bad news: there wasn't anyone there

That was a pretty good episode. I also liked Scott McNeil's Wolverine better than Steve Blum's version.