Looks like Team Carol has finally gone full-on Minority Report

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>>84696705
>A fire will break out. There will be casualties
Couldn't you stop the fire or casualties and then still arrest him for the actual crime and not intention?
>Middle-class teenage white male, publicly expresses anger over rejection by a former girlfriend
Good night San Diego!

>>84696686
Kamala is evil now? Huh.

>>84696686

>spider-man
>waits until the guy is about to attack then stops him

>ms. marvel
>attacks a guy who hasn't done anything yet or isn't close to doing anything

>>84696712
>Actually used hes a gud boy, din do nuffin defense.

Replace white with black and this reads like something off /pol/

>>84696686
I don't understand why a guy seeing the future = racial profiling in CWII.

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>>84696705
YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE

>>84696902
To be fair, Kamala clearly doesn't like any of this, it's the Carol Youth Brigade that's arresting him and ignoring due process in the most petty and mustache twirling way possible.

>>84696983
Man when was the last time a villain tied someone to a railroad track?
I miss the good old days.

>>84696686
Is this a preview? When does it come out or has it been story timed already?

>>84697000
Last month. When a Canadian Ninja stole a tank and drove it all around Jersey City.
Most stories are still hero vs villain.

>>84697011
Preview, comes out next week

okay so, they're already using that inhuman kid's powers to predict crimes that haven't happened yet?

So Civil War II is already over?

>>84696686
I don't know/care about comics, can someone tell me what the fuck is wrong with that brown chick's hands?

>>84696705

Are white males more likely to go full Columbine or is that just BS?

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>>84697021
>Preview, comes out next week
So OP forgot to mention that word.

>>84696958
If you want your event to be DEEP and RESONANT you gotta make it RELEVANT and TOPICAL, logic doesn't figure into it

>>84697023
Is this really your first time seeing superpowers? You don't even need to read comics to recognize someone in a costume with weird attributes probably has a superpower.

Who was it that said that Ms Marvel's first bad comics would come not from actual Ms Marvel comics but from whatever event they ended up dragging her into?

Oh wait, was it EVERYONE?

>>84697022
No, they started doing it from like issue #1 of CW2

>>84697061
That cover makes me smile so hard.

Maybe Kamala will choose a new name now?

>>84697023
no. fuck off.

>>84697022

It didn't even began.

>>84696958
Trying to mesh current politics with fictional stupidity, of course it's going to sound even dumber.
Really though prophecies and time travel-like shenanigans are generally a bad idea in storytelling because every stupid illogical decision is essentially a major plothole.

>>84697036
Well statistically speaking almost every school shooter and most mass shooters in general in the US have been middle-class white males.

>>84697077
But this is the first time they actually arrested someone that hadn't done anything yet. Before this, they only stopped threats, arrested wanted criminals or caught people in the act and then arrested them.

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>>84696823
>>84696971
ehhh, I'm pretty sure Kamala's reaction shows that it's not being portrayed as right

>>84697074
But this isn't "adults are too hard on us poor millenials", anon.

>>84697036
>>84697091
It's true, but keep in mind whites are also the majority, so they make up the majority of basically all statistics about America. And gun violence among, say, inner city blacks is more prevalent (that's not me being racist, that's me saying there are too many fucking guns for too cheap among people who have everything to gain from violent crime).

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>>84696705
>>84696712
>Kamala is gonna get redpilled

feels good man

>>84697074
The absolute irony of it is it's from the direct source of her ""inspiration"" Carol Danvers. Who in and out universe has been made so much a fuss of for doing...something.

If Kamala had her own identity instead of naming herself after the previous title of the worst Captain Marvel she might have been spared this nonsense. Before anyone starts her first arc about wanting to be a hot white superheroine could have been retooled to use anyone as her inspiration, it's not like Kamala's powers are linked to Carol's.

>>84696705

So when's Marvel going to show a Muslim getting stopped from bombing people?

>"A miggle aged Muslim male. You fit the description of the suicide bombing"

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>>84696958
DON'T QUESTION IT
Clearly a man using his powers to see the likely futures and stopping threats is just like stop and frisk. Even when the criminal actually did commit the crime he was predicted to commit because you didn't actually pre-emptively stop him.

>>84697074
It's not going to be a bad comic if it's by the actual writer but the plots going to be retarded.

>>84697157
>it's not like Kamala's powers are linked to Carol's

which is why her using the Ms Marvel name is all the dumber.

>>84697170
If he's the leader of a smuggling ring, isn't he already a criminal?

>>84697170
To be fair, the marvel universe splits into so many alternate points there's a fifty fifty chance he wasn't going to do it. Instead his alternate version comes from a different timeline and starts wrecking shit because of this fucked up law.

>>84697115
You mean a Muslim doesn't want to be profiled? Wow, shocking.

>>84697170
I think that would fall under conspiracy to commit a crime and such, not sure what sentencing is on such things.

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>>84697194
That's the problem with this. If you can use the detection to stop someone in the planning stages of the crime, and there's evidence, or if they've already committed other crimes and it just lets you find them... where's the conflict?

>>84697194
Exactly, that's the worst part. Dude already had a criminal record, and then he stole a tank and drove it all around New Jersey.
The sister-in-law doesn't know what she's talking about. The prosecutor doesn't care what Hijinx intended to do with the tank, because he already has enough dirt to charge him with several decades.

>>84697198
Problem is, HE DID DO IT. He did steal the tank and he did drive it and endanger people.

>>84697213
That's why this issue is different. There's a conflict because they're arresting Kamala's friend with no evidence based on something they were told he might do.
The logical thing would have been to follow him around until they find something to charge him with (like Spider-Man did, or like real police would do if given intel), but then we wouldn't have this dumb story.

>>84697240
Do you think all the other writers are desperately wondering how to write tie-ins to Bendis's shit where the conflict doesn't make sense and the lines still haven't been drawn halfway through?

>>84697211
Nah, it would fall under actual crime since he actually stole he fucking tank. He'd be charged with robbery, driving a tank without a license and wreckless endangerment. Plus, whatever crimes he did as the leader of a Canadian Ninja smuggling syndicate.

>>84697186
You know this really could have been it for Marvel. Kamala could have been the modern Spider-Man.
This kid with a unique background from other superheroes who is just who she is and that in time becomes legend others want to follow.
A good representative of the individual character potential the NuHuman concept could usher in instead of just being the stencil brand Inhu-Mens under Medusa.

It feels like they're intentionally screwing up and I just don't understand, I can't. Even if this turns out to all be a contrived character developing arc where she forms her own identity independent of Carol after I still have to question why drag her through the mud in the first place. What is being achieved?

>>84697262
Well that too I suppose, but for the purposes of discussing pre-crime, that's generally under conspiracy if you can prove planning and such I think.

>>84696705
So, what was he actually planning on doing? Was he gonna create a power surge as part of a science experiment to prove how smart he is? Was he gonna write "Zoe I love you" with lights?

>>84697322
I wonder...

>>84697322
Most likely something like that. Or, more generally, something that wasn't supposed to cause harm.

Worst part is, they could have dealt with him in a non-violent way. They went all fascist police for no reason whatsoever so much I suspect it might be the work of Dr. Faustus, exaggerating their reactions-

>>84697061
Does she like white dick? She looks like she'd like white dick.

>>84697394
So far she's refusing all dick, but she's got love interests, requited and otherwise, of many hues.

>>84697289
Also: what's the deal with "profiling", exactly?
Arresting people basing on statistics instead of actual crimes committed?

>>84697402
Endgame is being pigroasted by Sam and Robbie

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>>84697407
They're not even statistics. They're based on the visions of a precog.
Here's Tony trying to explain it (badly imo).

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>>84697407
Basically. Doesn't have to be statistics though, could just be prejudices.

"Pull that guy over, he's Irish and they're always drunk!!"
"You're under arrest for drunk driving, Paddy."

>>84697441
But Ulysses' visions don't have prejudices. He'll have visions of things he knows nothing about. Or does he have a prejudice against Celestial Destructors, something nobody knew even existed?

>>84697468
I'm not talking about the comic. Mostly because I don't understand what the fuck is going on in the stupid comic.

How many tumblrettes do you think are on Carols side because its fucking Carol and she's a stronk women?

>>84697468
It's sort of sjw's trying to shoehorn in a thing into a fictional debate.

>>84697435
>>84697441
Tony's reaction is still exaggerated.

As long as people aren't arrested for something they havn't done yet(like, dunno, what's happening in these preview pages) there is no problem with HOW Ulysses predicted the events- unless Ulysses actively keeps some events secret.

And even if he DOES have prejudices... as long as his visions are true(and he cannot control what he sees) who cares if he, say, see only negro crimes? As long as they are, in fact, crimes, they have to be stopped regardless...

Doesn't Marvel have more people that can predict the future? Why the hell is this one so special?

>>84697280
The modern Spider-man is Nova.

>>84697522
You wish. Being a character with writing of Spider-Man's caliber is also part of the equation, and Nova ain't that.

>>84697522
Yeah, everybody loves Kamala, while everyone shits on Sam.
Tony Stark hasn't bothered trying to take him on as protegé like he's trying with Miles and Kamala.

>>84697435
>They're based on the visions of a precog.
Tony eschews accuracy to appeal to Sam's politically sensitive thinking, but his analysis still indicates the visions aren't precognitive. They're probability.

They seem like precognition in the way someone with an high enough awareness of every variable in a room could potentially predict a coin flip every time, but he can't actually see the future of the coin flip just the odds. There are similarities but to say or think there is no difference is dubious.

>>84697520
Because Bendis

>>84697520
Inhuman wankery

>>84697540
Yeah. Like, if you give me 80% odds I'll win a hand of poker, I'll probably take the bet. But to say it's a sure thing would be untrue.

>>84697520
Because honey, Bendis don't give a fuck.

>Carol continues to be terrible and her existence drags Marvel down across the board
Nope. I don't see anything out of the ordinary here.

>>84697468
As an inhuman it's unclear how his power collects its information, Tony acknowledged in the second issue that his personal knowledge of things isn't really the issue it's whether his personal investment affects when his powers will activate.
Writers have been handling it differently though so it's getting less clear the more we see of it ironically enough, but as for Bendis' current official approach the idea is Ulysses' visions initially activated only when information on whatever he became inexplicably aware of threatened him or his life by proxy of a catastrophic or apocalyptic event of some sort. The stuff with Spider-Man and Kamala here doesn't line up with that, but like I said that's other writers going with what I guess they assume is the direction they should be heading. Chances are like many events a lot of things are going to contradict themselves at the end of all this but the final word is going to be laid out.

For example during Secret Invasion it's not clear how the Skrulls could hide or how well given the differing suspicions, but in the end Bendis just claims they did it through Reed's work and he made up a device to undo it. So that was that, anyone revealed to be a Skrull was simply one even if it didn't add up how, when, why. I'm not saying to condone it, I'm saying don't set yourself too firmly on what you'd like to believe and just brace for where this is headed. You'll save yourself a futile headache.

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>>84697023
Fuck off.

>>84697078
That would be nice. She's popular enough on her own to stop being a legacy character now.

>>84697520
Bendis.

>>84697647
Nah, she should keep the name. Carol can fuck off and be Civil Warbird or something.

>>84697619
It sounds like they really need a director to oversee all the writers and make sure everything is at least consistent.

>>84697535
So not even Spider-man is the modern Spider-man.

>>84697078
Nah

Superior Ms Marvel.

>>84697707
Yeah, like an editor in chief or something.

>>84697711
Now you're catching on.

>>84697619
>the issue it's whether his personal investment affects when his powers will activate.
as long as his predictions are correct, who cares?
Hell, if anything it makes him a source people can't rely on completely, which is good

>>84697540
the biggest issue is he only sees whichever future is most probable at the time of the vision, and he has no way to measure HOW accurate it is. If there's one hundred possible futures, all more or less equally probable, except one has a 1.1% chance of happening while another only has a 0.9% chance, and all the rest have a flat 1% chance, his powers will zero in on the 1.1% outcome and everyone is treating that as '100% unless we intervene'

>>84696712
God she's like mr.fantasitc not the right time to stretch yourself out bitch

>>84697741
There's also no way to measure if events are only happening the way they are due to the actions taken acting on the knowledge of the event.

"The Hulk is going to go on a rampage and kill people."
"After we attacked the Hulk, he escaped and went on a rampage!"

>>84697167
This is allegorical to that.

>>84696983
Now that I think about it, wasn't this sort of extra-legal Gestapo shit the exact thing that Kamala was made was asked by Carol to prevent?

Also, why are they in such a hurry if they seem to have at least 12 hours to prevent this "planned power surge".

I guess it is just traditional in CWII to heap shit on what would otherwise be a reasonable side to an argument.

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>>84697536
Sam is more like Peter than Miles/Kamala are in personality
he just doesn't have any brains whatsoever and everyone hated him from the beginning anyway
He's constantly being ignored, being hurt or insulted
he's about to give up being a superhero entirely
Sam is suffering incarnate

>>84696712
GIRL AT LEAST SHRINK BACK TO NORMAL IF YOU'RE GOING TO SIT ON THEIR STAIRS

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>>84697435
>end of CWII Ulysses powers get nullified
>a few months later New York gets half obliterated due to "new comic drama"

Carol is in the right, they just need to use the power more tactfully like how intelligence agencies use intel on possible terror threats.

>>84697280
>Kamala could have been the modern Spider-Man.
She is, and that entails getting dragged into stupid company-wide storylines every 8 to 10 issues.

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>>84697806

So is Ulysses full autismo and just predicts shit now, or does he still have a personality?

Because that's pretty much giving a guy the power of the entire nation and superhero community who can say "Oh yeah, had a vision that the President was going to launch nukes...go kill him."

>>84697768
Actually, there is. Ulysses' visions never take his own visions into account. Therefore, there can be no self-fulfilling prophecies.

>>84697810
Yeah. There's a middle ground between fascism and ignoring all intel because MUH RHODEY.

>>84697540
Why would Sam even care about profiling? He grew up on an island

>>84697929
SO DID OBAMA BUT HEH LOOK WHERE THAT GOT US

>>84697929
>He grew up on an island
What the fuck are you talking about? He grew up in HARLEM.

>>84697975
Well, Manhattan is an island...

>>84697975
He was born in Harlem, he grew up on EXILE with Redwing.

>>84697975
>>84697990
He grew up on the island Exile after his dads plane crashed

>>84698013
>>84698028
He'd already come of age by then

>>84697861
But some guy only went back into villainy because he found out Spider-Man thought he was going back to villainy because the kid showed Spider-Man a vision, so that rule isn't concrete.

>>84697520
The only one I can think of is Destiny, and she's been dead for a while now...

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>>84696712
I feel I might be missing the point about comic books, but why are a bunch of teenagers the future cops?

>>84698123
Blut und Ehre!

>>84698096
Either he was going to go back into villainy anyway, or the editors aren't doing their jobs. Probably the latter.
If Ulysses were capable of causing self-fulfillinf prophecies, it would ironically prove Tony wrong.

>>84697729
>as long as his predictions are correct, who cares?
Technically, none of his predictions have been correct. All of them have been of futures that didn't end up happening.

>>84698226
Wrong.
All of his futures either did happen, or the only reason they didn't happen was because people interfered to prevent them thanks to his intel.
He predicted the Celestial Destructor would come, it came.
He predicted Thanos would come, he came.
He predicted several earthquakes.
He predicted that Hijinx would steal a tank, he did, and thanks to Kamala the tank didn't blow up like he predicted, and it definetly would have.
I could go on.

>>84696686
I really don't see why this couldn't just be a metaphor for current government surveillance. A lot of it is meant to be preventative by trying to collate as much data as possible to know who is doing what and why. A lot of it has been plagued by the obvious problem this preview is pointing at: you may know enough to say something's going to happen, but you don't know enough to know the specifics, so when you try to intervene, you can make a mistake in who you go after.

It hits a lot of the same sorts of plot points, and you can still work in the whole "profiling" thing by showing how easily people jump on their "common sense" interpretations of why someone is "going to do something."

Of course, the fact that Marvel has had precogs for fucking ever and they're trying to spin this as a new issue is dumb. Civil War Uno had a similar problem, but at least there it made a bit more sense. It was still dumb, no two ways about it, but nothing on the scale of registration there had ever had enough political traction to happen. In Civil War II, all that's different is, for some reason, this precog sets off the minority report parody.

>>84697729
>who cares?
I'll ignore the fact you are 15 and point to you that the predictions were all bogus because they stoped them before it happens. It's further than thought crimes, it's just plain anarchy and fanaticism.

>>84696958
I can sort of see it from a certain perspective.
If you're the target of racial profiling you're being harassed for as far as you can tell entirely bullshit reasons.
If you suddenly get arrested for something you're supposedly about to do when even you don't know you were going to do it then as far as you can tell you got harassed for entirely bullshit reasons.

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>>84697435
>all the non-white heroes have to deal with the incredibly dumb "profiling" angle
It's like we're living in the fucking 90's again.

>>84696686
I want to think this is conscious satire but knowing Marvel it probably isn't.

>>84698255
>the tank didn't blow up like he predicted
I think that the problem they are having in Ms. Marvel, besides giving those 3 kids unlimited policing power and Kamala doesn't have the wherewithal to stop them despite it being her job, is that they aren't differentiating between accidents and planned events.

>>84697806
how often does the kid whine about his dad that the moleman is making fun of him about it

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>>84697861
Funny how everyone calls this Minority Report when the twist of the original story was that the other precogs were taking the others' visions into account.

>>84696712
>Break down civilians' door.
>Taser and kidnap a man while denying him a lawyer instead of just taking with him
>Are we the baddies?

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>>84696712
>yfw she fingers herself with those huge hands
>yfw she's so loose

>>84697036
Asian males are followed by Black males then White Males.

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>>84698255
>He predicted Thanos would come, he came. For dubs

>>84697036
If you're black then you can get randomly tackled to the ground and attacked for BUYING a gun while in the store because it's assumed you are about to use it to shoot everyone. (You can thank Florida i believe)
That and the extra layer of "security" where any object in the hands of or on a black person has an 80% chance of being mistaken for a gun in snap judgements makes it much harder to pull off a mass shooting.

>>84698335
she could just embiggen her clit and jack off the easy way

>>84696705
Fucking really?
Does the "white men are evil" thing need to apear in every fucking Marlel comic?
And here there's a nice layer of "lol this beta is frustrated by a strong grrl who rejected him".

I guess since Kamala negatively remarks on it we're not supposed to think it's a good thing, but still.

>>84696712
>goes peacefully for 5 panels
>suddenly resits so that he can get tazed
I understand this happens irl but narratively it doesn't work.

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>>84698334
>Are we the baddies?
kekked harder than i should have

>>84698299
The author of Ms. Marvel is a bit more on the up and up than the others, especially when it comes to the "diversity hero" side of the stories. The white guy being arrested in this scene has been one of those "former bullies turned amusing muscle bound friend" character. It's, as others have pointed out, obviously been meant to read as bad and a kind of flipped version of the profiling of muslims. The whole "middle-class teenage while male publicly expresses anger over rejection by a former girlfriend... he fits the profile for this kind of attack" is about as blatant as you can get. The gung-ho kids are clearly out of line and Kamala as jumped in feet first into this gig too much to be able to keep a handle on them.

I know people are reluctant to give Marvel any kind of slack, but Ms. Marvel has consistently been nuanced enough to warrant the generosity.

>>84698344
Dubs confirm

>>84697061
Nice.

>>84698346
>If you're black then you can get randomly tackled to the ground and attacked for BUYING a gun while in the store because it's assumed you are about to use it to shoot everyone. (You can thank Florida i believe)
That shit's been going on since before Florida don't even bullshit. Did you already forget that one black guy who got killed because he had a toy gun in a toy store?

You don't even need a gun to get shot when you're black. Recently a black nurse tried to get an autistic patient back into the care facility and got shot in the leg by a cop, even though he was on the ground, with his hands up.

>>84697170
I wonder if the writer is aware that it's already how we treat terrorists: proof of them planning an attack is enough for them to be proscuted.
And there's very little argument to say we should let them commit the crime first.

And yeah as others have said he's already a criminal anyway.

>>84697780

But they don't have the fucking guts to actually have it happen.

>>84697468
man, wouldnt be racist against Celestial Destructors?

>>84697435
I like that Carol is back to being a bitch. That art is terrible though, Jesus Christ.

>>84698399
>I wonder if the writer is aware that it's already how we treat terrorists: proof of them planning an attack is enough for them to be proscuted.
Probably, but she's stuck with this Not Minority Report plotline she has to weave into her work so she's doing her best to inject some meaning and relevance to it.

>>84696712
>during the incursion
So if I'm understanding this right, the incursions did happen, but then nothing happened and everyone just went about their business? I still don't know what exactly happened if no one remembers Battleworld

>>84698334
Instead of *talking with him
His crime amounts to manslaughter at worst and that's the kind of thing they should be able to talk people out of. Not breaking in and tasering

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>>84698399
This reminds of me of Civil War II: Kingpin, where Fisk does a speech about the fascism of Ulysses' visions being used to arrest people, only for Jigsaw to point out that literally everyone he's giving the speech to is already a criminal.
And then the only people that are actually arrested that issue are the Owl and Madame Masque, who are already wanted criminals, the visions just allowed the feds to find them easily.

>>84698404
Why is it that important to you that Muslims get shit on in fiction? You're already electing a president that's going to kick them out of the country.

>>84697119
>but keep in mind whites are also the majority, so they make up the majority of basically all statistics about America
Except the prison population

>>84698405
*wouldnt you

>>84698431

>why do you want what actually happens to be portrayed in fiction instead of making it a white guy out of fear

Gee I wonder

>>84698255
>He predicted the Celestial Destructor would come, it came.
He predicted it would come and destroy the world, which it didn't.

>He predicted Thanos would come, he came.
Do we ever see his Thanos vision? I'm sure he didn't have a vision of Thanos showing up and immediately getting captured, which is what happened.

>the tank didn't blow up like he predicted
Then his prediction didn't come true, did it?

Have any of his visions actually come to pass as he saw them?

>>84698453
Oh so instead of a white boy being falsely accused, you want to accurately portray a story about a Muslim kid being falsely accused of committing a crime?

You're right, that would be more accurate. Ms Marvel would benefit a lot from recreating the Ahmed Mohammed home made clock incident.

>>84697806
Who the hell fucked the Mole man and had his child?

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>>84697729
>as long as his predictions are correct, who cares?
This will get tricky, follow along.

Ulysses can have further visions, such as when he had two of Thanos making a grab for the Cosmic Cube...mostly as a result of Ewing trying to sort out Bendis' fubar of the Ultimates receiving the news in two different scenarios if I'm correct but still in-universe it's implied to be a corrective feedback to clarify details of the threat, all the same as of now that's the extent of any possible proofreading.

Consider then if the mere intervention attempted could have prevented the Hulk catastrophe there was no way for Ulysses to convince Clint that the situation was diffused.

Ulysses is an Inhuman personification of an old internet meme. He can't unsee.

All Clint knows is he saw himself die in a possible prediction and believed he saw a possible glint in Bruce's eye, and all Tony knows is that there was a point where a highly probable likelihood of the event occurring existed at the time of its calculation but afterwards there was no corrective feedback to predict it definitely won't happen well, the result is in an ultimatum from ambiguity.

The only way for potential victims to humanely avert the problem like this is to incarcerate Bruce and guestimate from the vision's time frame when the penalty for the hypothetical crime will no longer be valid OR just let Bruce go until Ulysses has another vision. Except, knowing that self-preservation can influence when his power activate Bruce or Cho could still very well kill people but Ulysses may not know. His visions have certainly applied to other crimes that don't affect him, but he's not seeing every actual homicide so it's still limited to limited possibility. Not precognition.

He does not see the definite future, he cannot show anyone the future definitely. He is in the dark as anyone else about the indefinite effect of present action.

tl;dr To answer your question Jen and Cho will care.

>>84698477

The whole point is to show that it's bad and feel sympathy for them and to NOT treat them like shit in real life. It's also more believable since that's how they're treated right now and it would be good to raise awareness of it.

>>84698488
A Deviant. As in a literal Deviant from Lemuria.

>>84698297
>It's like we're living in the fucking 90's again.
Look outside, Anon. What makes yu think we aren't?

>>84698453
Alegories are a widely-used device to represent reality anon, especially in cape comics.
If you want to watch reality unfiltered, watch reality, don't read fiction.

Either way this will obviously end up with this racial profiling being judged wrong by the narrative, so you shouldn't lose sleep over it. Because if they did put in a muslim there, you'd have been just as triggered by the conclusion.

>>84698510
>The whole point is to show that it's bad and feel sympathy for them and to NOT treat them like shit in real life.
The main protagonists of the story is already a Muslim with a big cast of Muslim satellites around her, presented in a wide variety of sympathetic ways.

People would be able to draw the line between how white boy is treated with the fact that they're reading Ms Marvel very easily.

If you made literally everyone in every Muslim-adjacent conflict into an actual Muslim in every story then you're just throwing nuance out the window. These Civil War II tie-ins already suffer from a severe lack of subtlety.

>>84698477

>falsely accused

>>84698392
I was saying that Florida is where the particular case I was referencing happened. The dude picked up a gun off of the shelf and got tackled less than 5 minutes later while in the store by a "brave citizen" or two.
That sort of shit happens too often for me to keep track of it all.

>>84698584
That's clearly the direction this story is going in.

I mean I could be wrong, I acknowledge that possibility, I just doubt that.

>>84698593
I usually don't follow those things, what was the explanation given by the brave citizens to think that the black man was a threat?

>>84698625
They saw a (black) man with a gun.
Did you think they'd have a different reason?

My worry is that they're gonna say something stupid like "it's okay to profile evil white men because yada yada privilege, but you shouldn't do this to anyone else" and not a soul is gonna ocnsider that stupid..

>>84698566
>If you want to watch reality unfiltered, watch reality
Even that is filtered though our own cognitive biases. And even if you manage to accomplish the impossible and attain complete unbiashood. the human senses like the eye are itself filters of input, making it impossible to watch reality "unfiltered". The truth is, the human eye is wired for simplifications, generalizations, allegories and other forms of pattern thinking.

>>84698639
Well yeah, I mean they were in a gun store. Must happen every fucking day if that's all it takes. I expect the guy at least looked hood af.
Seriously though I'd think they'd at least come up with a better explanation to the police, as is it's a blatant aggression.

>>84698654
Your worry is unfounded. Kamala is clearly not OK with this and the Carol Youth Brigade are acting like fascists.

>>84698654
Well Somebody already pointed this out above but the Ms. Marvel Comic was actually (in a very hamfisted way) saying that it's not ok to profile anyone, white or any other skin colour.

Mind you it didnt do that WELL but points from trying instead of going with the easier "white men are all evil" option

>>84698699

Yeah, I know, but this reminds me too much of that Wonder Woman "mansplaining" page where they're portrayed in the right for tying up a man, refusing him a lawyer, then bashing his skull in, all while he couldn't fight back.

>>84698675
You know what I meant, complaining that fiction biasedly represents reality is dumb, fiction is not for accurate representation of reality.

>The truth is, the human eye is wired for simplifications, generalizations, allegories and other forms of pattern thinking.
>tfw you wake up next to your computer and can't for the life you you identify what the moving pixels on the screen are supposed to represent

>>84696712
And then the house catches fire due to shoddy wiring, killing mom and dad. THE END

>>84698715
In the wider context of this comic, I doubt anything even close to that will happen. Not only if this not the kind of comic that happens in, this character has been having a minor subplot of trying to become a better, more rounded person to impress his ex-girlfriend. If I recall correctly, both she and him were portrayed as nothing more than ignorant upper class white people who shat on Kamala's religion in the first issue, and both have come a ways from that.

>>84698584
not only didn't he commit anything major before they assaulted him and his familly, but any proof they will find will be considered void because of the way they got it, and how it makes it highly possible they forged everything.

>>84697119
Whites are stil, wait, what's that word we use when we call for putting the nignogs back in the cottonfields, ah yes, _overrepresented_.

>>84698799
>_overrepresented_
my sides

So when's Kamala betraying her idol and going over to team Iron Man? I want to see this so fucking badly.

>>84698724
>>tfw you wake up next to your computer and can't for the life you you identify what the moving pixels on the screen are supposed to represent
Actually, that happens. A mild form of that is called Dyslexia.

>>84698825
It's likely that she, Miles and Sam are going to ditch the heroes all together and form their own team.

>>84698775
>If I recall correctly, both she and him were portrayed as nothing more than ignorant upper class white people who shat on Kamala's religion in the first issue, and both have come a ways from that.
The girl felt really weird. She and Kamala started warming up in the last chapter of her first ongoing and when the second one starts they are suddenly a trio of best friends between them and Niki

I know that there were the 8 months after SWIII, but I'd really like Marvel showed what happened, even in an ultra-compressed way.
Something like #0 for DC's New 52 for all the series
At least we'll have Death of X

>>84698834
I know it happens, happened to me this morning as I woke up next to a let's play of some shitty game and couldn't tell what the fuck it was in any way before reading the title of the video.

>>84697394
She prefers sex with her brother's girlfriend, who really enjoys getting to actually use her collection of improbable strapons. Also, the tripartite cock-tongue bit.

>>84698825
>>84698854
Going by the Marvel NOW 2.0 preview basically all the younger heroes are going to leave their mentors

>>84698854
>>84698879
And what the fuck would this new team even do? I can't see any possible new angle they could take on this.

And I guess the main problem is Miles wouldn't even need to betray his mentor if Peter wasn't written so pants on head retarded.

>>84697036
Yes, white males are more likely to go Columbine once every few years, while black males are more likely to just shoot people during one of their many robberies every few days

>>84696686
>>84696705
>>84696712
Stop being so damn cute, Kamala. This is serious business. Your cuteness is getting distracting.

>>84697944
Kenya isn't an island.

>>84696686
>>84696705
>>84696712
This doesn't make any sense? Why do they operate under the idea that the guy purposefully triggers the power surge when the vision they received didn't give that many details. They should have just tailed him until the next day and set up some firefighters near the school.

>>84698925
He grew up in Vanuatu.

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>people are detained for crimes they're about to commit as if preordained events made sense in a world where Doom was god months ago

Something don't add up, no sir.

>>84698906
Peter is now on the path on becoming a rich corporate douche.

Wouldn't be surprise if they teamed up with Norman to found Alchemax.

>>84696686
>Apprentice to the leader of the evil fascist side which will win has their own book wherein they help that leader until they realise how awful that person is (which is exaggerated in this tie in compared to the main book) and turn to the other side

She's the Peter Parker of Civil War II

>>84698937
Because you need to show that they're taking it too far and are acting like big meanie fascists.

>>84698956
Doom was a better guy, he kept letting the inhuman kingdom rebel against him before resetting it and having Medusa and Black Bolt switch roles.

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>>84698906
It's not that they must act against one particular older character.
They may just be disillusioned toward the guys that spend half of their time fighting each other rather then crime

>>84698297
In my head, the next page is tony saying "You're not white?" And then leaving.

>>84699005
>Vision's daughter is on a team

Please tell me they've not stopped doing Vision's book

>Everybody still debating the whole Civil War II message
>Not realizing that Bendis came up with the idea in less than three months for an arbitrary Marvel event to promote the movie, that will turn into an arbitrary reboot where NOTHING WILL STAY THE SAME

I mean, seriously. There are dozens of issues that Civil War II could have covered to make it better, and they just decide to go with Minority Report lite.

>>84698937
Having firefighters near the school may reduce the problems, but you can't be sure that there wouldn't be casualties caused by an early explosion or something like that

It's like if they didn't act during CWII #3 because they should have waited for Banner to turn into Hulk and throw the first punch against someone
They still reacted in a completely retarded way, but that's beside the point

>>84699051
It was always planned to last 12 issues.

>>84699052
You know Civil War II was just a way to cash in the new movie.

No wonder Feige and the MCU doesn't want nothing to do with them.

>>84699051
It was a glorified miniseries to begin with
It also sold like shit

>>84698495
To tangent and analogy now that I have more word count space and less needed to reference this terrible event to frame things I'll put it like this:

You have to define correct.

Before giving a mission go NASA operated on estimating 99% successful launch probability. However that was from what they knew, not what they didn't know. Which is what they allowed the 1% chance for, unforeseen circumstance.
The thing is, beyond the calculated numbers in their heads or computers, in reality if something they don't know guarantees the shuttle becoming a highly expensive & explosive death trap it doesn't matter if they think they have 99% chance of success they've already 100% failed.
Of course Mission Control didn't simply sit there and decide since they don't and can't know they won't launch, the astronauts all agreed to the job knowing the consequences after all, but still the people in charge and responsible for the lives at stake as well as the glory put safety measures, double checks, protocols, means of mitigation in place. It's easy to baselessly assume and accuse someone who calls for proper procedure of wanting the worst to happen, but logically someone who by their own words thinks a call for caution to avoid disaster, not guarantee it, sounds like too much trouble is much more ethically questionable.
Just think about it for a second, they think making sure you're doing the right thing means you want the wrong thing to happen. Does that sound sane to you?

Back to the point Ulysses' predictions CAN be correct, within probability subset, that does not mean they persistently are.
He either does not or cannot correct for perpetual feedback, therefore Ulysses predictions are technically correct (X%<100%), not actually correct (100%). Despite what you may have heard that is in fact the worst kind.

>>84699072
I think I'm very behind on things.

>>84699092
this is why we can't have nice things

>>84699082
To be fair CA:CW was a way to cash in on BvS by retooling CA3. Though in Feige's defense his efforts are at least competent and bear fruit.

>>84698948
I don't care what part of Africa he ran around poking grubs out of trees in. Nevermind, in a year he'll be out of the country or in a camp.

The most crucial part of looking "Hood af" is being black though. Jeans and a T-shirt is instantly ghetto clothing if the person wearing it is black.
I seem to have combined two different cases.
Case A is a 62 year old man that got tacked and swarmed for having a gun he had a legal permit to own while ignoring him shouting out that he had the proper permits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRiCF3WdIgY
Case B is where a guy picked up a toy gun off of the shelf and was immediately shot by cops once they saw a black man with a gun.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/16/justice/walmart-shooting-john-crawford/

Then the police interrogated(Read as threatened) his girlfriend for 90 minutes to try and dig up some dirt. He was blamed for having a gun in his hands. All he wanted was to buy some ingredients for smores.

>>84699106
King explained in one of the letters pages that after Omega Men and Sheriff of Babylon, he started to make his stories into 12-issue chunks just in case they aren't able to be published for more. He was taken up by DC halfway through Vision, so right now he's just finishing up.

We still have no idea if he approved of Viv in Champions, seeing as Tom Brevort came up with the idea. That said, he normally lauds writers that we think are trash, so maybe he was okay with it.

After all, the book just mentions that Viv didn't live as long as she could. And being in a Teen Titans-esque book is basically suicide already.

It is kind of profiling.

>>84698687
>>84699167
Forgot to link my post to your post.

>>84699174
>After all, the book just mentions that Viv didn't live as long as she could. And being in a Teen Titans-esque book is basically suicide already.

You know, I hadn't thought of that.
Well, I guess we know who's dying when they need to make the "Shit just got real" pose page.

Everyone in this thread has put ten times the thought into how Ulysses's predictions work than Bendis did.

>>84699207
It's disgusting how they keep letting that thing write.

So, Civil war 2 is a "Carol fuck up everything like always she does" episode?

>>84699174
>Teen Titans-esque book
I like to think marvel respects their heroes slightly more than DC respects the titans, but only slightly.

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>>84699207
It's not surprising, we predicted how CW II was gonna play out the moment it was announced

>>84699174
That really rise the question about how he would have continued the series if it had sold well and/or DC hadn't "brought" him, since particularly after the last chapter it's a story that can only end in tragedy in a few chapters.
He would either have had to completely change the story maybe something like Vision going full Dr. Manhattan and leave Earth to build life in a world where there aren't other Avengers to kill his family or having Vision start with the family project all over again

>>84699249
Sadly seems like it, I actually used to really Love Carol the few times I did read comics but recently she's just been.....it's like the writers forgot that "headstrong" doesn't mean "retarded"

>>84698958
Alchemax already exists in Earth-616. It was founded back in 2013 during Superior Spider-Man.

>>84699182

No, because they have evidence beyond the color of the person's skin, and seeing the future isn't some kind of horribly uncommon ability in comic books.

The reason Minority Report worked is because the Precogs were the one fantastical element in the world. Beyond the obvious future technology it was just a grounded reality like ours, so this alien concept played better.

This is the Marvel Universe. When has the ethics of superpowers been this much of an issue in this way? Where the fuck is this coming from? You can argue metaphysics all you want, it doesn't matter when the universe your story takes place in has time-travellers and psychics and all sorts of other powered people who would turn the timeline into spaghetti.

This story should have been checked at the door.

>>84699274
Mark white straight male is bad.

>>84699253
>Marvel respects their heroes
>Abandoned X-Men because they didn't own their movie rights
>Abandoned Fantastic Four because they didn't own their movie rights
>Made Iceman gay for no reason
>Made Nova a kid because Loeb wanted to immortalize his son in some way, throwing Dick Rider out at the same time
>OOKA CHAKA OOKA CHAKA
>Making Jane Thor just because
>White Nick Fury might as well never existed
>Hawkeye in costume? No, he's always worn his movie outfit
>No more mutants
>Cyclops is basically Hitler now

>>84699249
Yeah, but this time she's in the right. Marvel needs their own Wonder Woman now, after all. And Wonder Woman can't be on the losing side.

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>>84699253
>

>>84699312
>This is the Marvel Universe. When has the ethics of superpowers been this much of an issue in this way?
whenever a writer needed it to be so that they could tell a story.

>>84699323
Ok I'll agree most of that is stupid but.......Cyclops becoming Hitler is probably the most logical progression I could see from him, I mean it's fucking cyclops

>>84699336

It still hurts. But you can't deny it was actually impactful.

We were reading a comic where they were in a death game. I for one was like, they won't actually kill anyone this is stupid. And bam. Fucking mettles gone. Anyone's fair game.

When's he getting brought back though?

>>84699253
Is that why they made avengers arena in which multiple heroes died in unceremonious ways? Is that why they regularly write for shock first, story later and can't even think of what could lead to their current status quo (as in the case of never explaining what Fury told Thor that made him unworthy or how they just killed Cyclops offscreen)

>>84699336
Well Ok then, I dont exactly read every comic so I dont keep up on all events, who is this and why is their death important?

>>84698255
Okay, go on

In order to prove a correlation scientifically you need more evidence than like 4 incidents

>>84699377
>When's he getting brought back though?
Never, only A lists and B lists have a chance to get brought back. C-Z list heroes only have the chance if a writer that was a fan of their run gets hired.

>>84699411
meaning in around five to seven years?

>>84699336
To be fair, those where basically nobodies.
The reason they could kill Titans left and right is because basically none of them had his own series
On the other hand 4 out of 6 Champions have their own series and one of the other is the leader of his team series and will almost certainly be leader of this squad too
The only one without "protections" of any kind is Viv, and coming out from a series of deaths they will most likely wait at least a bit before killing her too

>>84699390
Mettle. He's a mutant who looks like Red Skull, but is made of metal. /co/ liked him, to the point where he mentioned 4chan once.

Anyway, one day Dennis Hopeless was tasked with writing a story for young mutants to thrive in. His best idea was basically having Arcade create a Hunger Games.

>>84699312
But there is a chance they wouldn't have done the crime, like when you pick someone up for being near a crime because of their race. There is a high likelihood they committed (or will commit) the crime, but it isn't always true.

>>84699386
>>84699336
>>84699323
That's the joke you silly gooses. Titans have been mostly shit since somewhere around the 80's and is the DC equivalent of Avengers Arena (or really the other way around) if you measure things via the amounts of of edgy and death.

>>84697861
>Therefore, there can be no self-fulfilling prophecies.
Someone has not read Vision, because that's exactly what happens.

>>84699386
>how they just killed Cyclops offscreen
So that they could make a miniseries about it that basically all X-fans will buy and that will reveal in the last chapter that he's still alive

>>84699386
I didnt read Avengers Arena and have been shying away from most modern comics for exactly this reason, deaths dont fucking mean anything anymore and are only used for shock value.

But because of this I'm a bit behind on certain events so I THOUGHT marvel still had some respect for their heroes, seems not.
Oh well I always have manga

>>84697435
>Black Guy: PROFILING!
dun dun DUN

>>84699497
That wasn't predicted by Ulysses

>>84699489

But you're arguing metaphysics in a universe where they don't matter. Your setting defeats anything you want to say thematically.

the whole premise goes to the shitter when you realize profiling is impossible, you can't arrest people for what's essentially though crime unless they are explicitly planning to do something.

>>84699608
It's why what Spider-Man did is the only logical solution. Follow them until you get proof or they start the crime and nip it in the bud. It's what investigators do in real life.

>>84699608
>the whole premise goes to the shitter when you realize profiling is impossible,

Only it is an actual science that works every fucking day

>>84696686
>>84696705
>>84696712
What the fuck? Who are these kids, how can they just arrest someone, they aren't superheroes. How did they get access to Ulysses visions?

Someone spoon feed me.

>>84698344
Dubs are confirming

>>84698096
>>84698141
Not necessarily: Ulysses visions don't always have a clear context.
The guy could have gone back to villany as a mole for SHIELD(think Silk) while by interferring with the events he actualy turned bad for real.

I'm expecting something siilar with next month All-New Johnathan&the Wolverines.

>>84699670
They work for Carol "Fascism is good" Danvers

Where's Moon Knight in all of this? I loved his deal during Civil War. I want to see dudes that fuck shit up on the street level. Like that one superhero "cop" guy that sadly was fucked up by the Thunderbolts, but was also really cool. Like, his name was America Cop or something. Oh yeah, Americop. I fucking love his design.

>>84699652
it's not, no law backs arresting without due evidence. The reason why it "works" is because when you arrest someone you also look for other shit he did, and no normal person has something you can arrest them for. And if they can't find anything, they'll implant something to not lose face.
>>84699670
The avengers basically work for the government now.

>>84699510

What other reason would there be a death but for shock value?

>>84699670
Adolf Danver's Hitler Youth group have been given authority to do whatever the fuck they like. Break into your house, confiscate your property, arrest you in your house, taze you, decline to answer any questions or to anyone.

Enjoy your Republic of etc etc etc

>>84699717
To clarify, I love the whole "underdog on the run who is lesser known but still gives their pursuers a hard fucking time despite being a LITERALLY WHO"

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>>84699734
>What other reason would there be a death but for shock value?
Sometimes death is the best place to end a character's storyline but yeah it's mostly a shock tool in every case.

>>84698431

Because it's something that actually happens, and it happens a lot. If someone could predict the future, black people and Muslims would be arrested en masse. It's simply a fact of life.

>>84697857
I really hope that's how this all plays out

>>84698291
You sound like you're 15 yourself, mate.

>>84699734
Sometimes it can be a fitting end for a character or is necessary for a story to progress, it doesnt always have to be shock, besides comic book heroes dying doesnt even do that anymore because they just come back in a year or two.

>>84697857
Well they've been emphasizing lately that Ulysses's visions are triggered essentially like panic attacks. He has to be made to be super scared/afraid/feel he is in danger before he gets one. So there's at least some characterization to be had in there. Maybe the Ulysses mini will tell more, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

>>84699717
Next issue of choosing sides is going to have him, drawn by shalvey again even. Might be good, the tie-ins for these events usually are somewhat better.

>>84699697
>>84699719
>>84699739
Why the fuck are they a bunch of teenagers though?

The first Civil War at least had trained soldier catching supers not a scarf-wearing hipster.

>>84697036
since 1984 white people have committed 48 out of the 82 mass shootings (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data), that's 63% of the population committing 58% of all mass shootings.
black people are responsible for 16% but are 12% of the population.
asians 7% of all shootings, 5% of the population.
hispanics 7% but 17% of the population.

>>84699869
Because only a bunch of teenagers with hero complexes would volunteer with such a retarded plan.

>>84699851
Yes!!!!! I love Shalvey! That's great news.

>>84699525
They literally stated it was probabilities. Not absolute. He doesn't have a wormhole to the future he peeks through.

>>84698295
that's straight-up bullshit reason in first place.

The whole anti-precog point hinges on the Government jailing people who haven't done anything yet. That's bad... but it's, like, 1% of the whole thing?

Just put in place a system where people don't arrest others for not haviong done anything, but they might, say, TALK to them- Kamala's friend was likely going to do something enterily harmless that backfired.

Ulysses doesn't predict CRIMES, he predicts BAD EVENTS- which can come from innocent acts, accident and errors.


If anything, they should make sure Ulysses is always telling them ALL his visions and that he cannot control them.

>>84698495
That's mostly Bendis writing people as very stupid.

If you are scared of Bruce hulking out, you don't bring the Avengers+Inhumans to his front door(which is basically asking for the visiomn to come true), but go with a small numver of people to talk to him because you have a reliable source there is a extremely high chance of him hulking out.
Explain him you don't want the vision to happen, so let's talk why that might happen and how to avoid the situation.

Keep Avengers+Inhumans out of sight but near enought to intervention, because one must be prepeared.


Switch Bruce and Hulking Out with whatever is the core of any given vision involving somebody who isn't wanted by the law and A+I with your local law-enforcement troops.

Outlaws? Yoiu just arrest them, they are outlaws anyway. You cannot charge them with the crime they MIGHT have done(unless is terrorism or other crimes where Planning is already a crime)

There, this resolves peacefully most visions- obviously sometimes not everything is going to work but that's why you bring backup.

>>84697252
Yeah, that's the problem with tie ins

>>84699734
The problem lies not in the shock value itself but using it for ONLY shock value.
There can be any number of other emotions aimed at and narritives presented.

>>84699987
I was trying not to accidentally summon the boogeymen rather than imply it's not bullshit to begin with. Being swarmed by ignoramuses trying to use sheer stupidity as a debate method gives me a headache.
Honestly the only thing the anti/pro-precog stuff proves to me so far (besides the 1% part we're discussing) is that the MU as a whole is too retarded to handle reasonable applications of the fantastical. Reed Richards keeping all of his stuff locked down makes even more sense than it already did now.

>>84699798
>I need my fiction to justify my unexamined prejudices
That's real sad bro.

>>84700080
Yeah, I would have preferred Tony going all Illuminati and wanting to keep Ulysses power a secret because the Marvel USA Govv&Civs are complete morons.

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>>84696686
Well this is horrible

Good thing i dont read ms muslim

>>84697441
It's a fair nick, copper.

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>>84698344
THANOS, NO!

>>84697036
White men are more likely to go to school.

Blacks kill more people in the USA than whites do and if you go by the new definition of mass killings blacks do more because most are done while committing another crime like drug dealing or armed robbery.

Basically whites are more likely to shoot a school because they make up the majority and blacks and Hispanics drop out of school and shoot up a 7/11

>>84698335
Anon, a shapeshifter is never loose.

>>84698349
He's barely even resisting, he's bracing himself so they can't haul him out the door.

>>84699890
They deserve to be raped, the males especially

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This reminds me a bit of that scene from the first civil war where Carol allows a mother to be torn apart from her daughter except this time Kamala will be a better person than her and intervene.

>>84698297
Actually thats a pretty good non-SJW and non-prejudice way of using race with Miles.

Does Tony acutally know he's not white though?

Jeeeesuuuuus CHRIST, this writing is bad.

No one considered just talking this out, or waiting until the guy was caught in the act, or changing the security systems for the school? They had to go full KGB and charge the guy on a crime he'll never be able to defend himself from ("Prove that you WON'T do this!") in their own independent court of law that doesn't allow legal consultation?

Mother of God, Marvel. You deserve what'll happen to you for releasing shoddy crap like this.

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>>84696952
In case you didn't notice that's what just about EVERY ignorant parent says when their kid does something awful.
>oh we just can't believe this could happen, billy is such a GOOD boy who has never gotten in trouble before, there must be some mistake! he's on the honor roll at his private school and his friends in sports are all from the right kind of family
>really he's the victim and what's important is we don't let something small like rape or drug dealing or being involved with the "accidental" injury of another student effect all his potential and the bright future ahead of him!

It's just that /pol/ is just as much of an over reactionary force as sjws and need to twist absolutely everything to their agenda.
In this case it's that if the kid is darker than a brown paper bag then their actions prove how all those wacky subhuman niggers are the same and couldn't possibly ever be innocent or good compared to a lighter kid.

>>84696686
>Marvel humanizing a white male.

STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES

>>84700838
The whole Marvel Universe knows, his costume got ripped or something and someone got a picture of it so the world knows he's black.

He's not really comfortable with it because now some people see him as "the black Spider-Man".

>>84696705
He dindu nuffin

>>84701110
Also a good way to handle race, miles is so boring though, neutral everything.
I'd like him more if he was a black nationalist who hated white people, at least then he'd have some character

>>84699005
When the hell does this launch?

>>84701186
This october, during Marvel NOW 2.0
Most of the current ongoing will keep going, there will be a bunch of C-lister ongoing and the X-books will take a break for 1-2 months to concentrate on Death of X, that shows what happened to Cyclops in those 8 months after Secret Wars

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>The Current state of Marvel
KILL ME

KILLLLLLLLEEEEEEE MMMMMMEEEEEEEE

>>84699274
Has anyone shown this to bendis?

>>84701060
They stole Degeneracy from me? I liked that word.

>>84698429

Why would Kingpin even invite Jigsaw though? Everyone knows Jigsaw is an absolute piece of shit, even by their own standards.

>>84699366
Wolverine go away.

I think the worst thing about this whole thing is how it's just a bunch of teenagers. Sure they have powers, but I don't think I can take Marvel's Gestapo seriously if they still have to worry about giving Mr. Johnson their spanish homework on time.

>>84698349
She literally says that they're profiling him

A lazier writer would've used a black kid or a Muslim kid

You know, conspiracy to commit a crime is still a crime. It's harder to prove, but it's still a crime. As long as you aren't throwing people in jail for acts of impulsive criminality in the future and instead just talk them out of it, what the fuck is the problem?

>>84696705
>all this talk about profiling
>White girl named Becky

kek

>>84696686
>DIVERSITY SQUAD STRINGS THEM UP A FUTURE-NAZI FER MEGA-GITMO

what a great comic

>>84698429
>But Kingpin, aren't we all law breakers?
>WELL LAWS ARE STUPID
Way to bring your A game Fisk, no wonder Murdock can never convict you.

>>84701580
You can still use it obviously but know that many associate it with /pol/ because they call just about everything they don't like "degeneracy".

>Part of Tony's problem with Ulysses is that nobody understands exactly how his powers work
>/co/ bitches about not understanding exactly how the powers work

>Part of Tony's problem with Ulysses is the inevitable gray areas that are going to arise eventually after using precog is normalized
>/co/ bitches about it not going to full Minority Report immediately

>comic shows She-Hulk flatline
>/co/ cannot into resuscitation and bitches about her being in a coma instead of dying

The only thing stupider than this event is /co/.

>>84702167
If she wasn't going to die, a misleading flatline is just false tension, akin to golden age covers. /co/ may be stupid, but you're stupid and pretentious.

>>84702167
>A forum filled with hundreds if not thousands of posters
>All with varying opinions and ideals
>Surprised to see those opinions clash
>Assumes that the opinions of multiple personalities are one entity
wew

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>>84696712
>>84696705
>>84696686
>Shit, this issue has too much nuance to it, it's far too complex to properly convey both sides and if I do there won't be a clear right and wrong
>Better arbitrarily turn one side into fucking gestapo
AAA+ writing.

>>84702197
>golden age covers
Ya meant silver age covers, ya dumb cunt. Why even have an opinion if you're this casual?

And I never said She-Hulk flatlining was a brilliant creative decision, I was saying /co/ was bitching about Marvel backtracking about it. Which is 100% a thing that happened.

>>84702227
I don't give enough of a shit to do a study on all the posts relating to CW, but if you genuinely believe that the views I represented weren't the vast majority, you're fucking stupid.

>>84702263
Just as shit as the first civil war, what a surprise.

>>84702277
Ahh, deriding me for a slip of the tongue, truly the mark of a completely non-pretentious person. If Marvel legitimately misled readers, why is it stupid to complain about it?

Is this the normal writing quality of Kamala's books? Does she seriously only get this much attention just for being cute in a shit comic?

>>84702277
I think you're fucking stupid that you're ignoring big plot problems just so you can feel special as a contrarian.

>>84702349
No, it's generally pretty good

But events make everyone suffer

but do you think it's bad because it doesn't agree with your politics or do you think it's bad because it's poorly written, because only one of those is true

>>84702408
It's poorly written.

>>84702342
>slip of the tongue
Alright m8 w/e u say.
>If Marvel legitimately misled readers, why is it stupid to complain about it?
Just gonna direct you pack to the post,
>I never said She-Hulk flatlining was a brilliant creative decision, I was saying /co/ was bitching about Marvel backtracking about it. Which is 100% a thing that happened.
>>84702354
Did I ever say CW2 was good? Can you source that shit for me or is this just another episode of "anon can't fucking read TAS"

>>84702492
So if it wasn't a brilliant decision why is bitching about it bad?

>>84702492
wew
I never said you liked it. I called you a contrarian for "wow /co/ you're so stupid for not liking these plot points." But whatever I guess.

>>84702542
>I never said She-Hulk flatlining was a brilliant creative decision, I was saying /co/ was bitching about Marvel backtracking about it. Which is 100% a thing that happened.
>I was saying /co/ was bitching about Marvel backtracking about it. Which is 100% a thing that happened.
>I was saying /co/ was bitching about Marvel backtracking about it.
>/co/ was bitching about Marvel backtracking about it.
>/co/ was bitching about Marvel backtracking
>bitching about Marvel backtracking
>Marvel backtracking
>backtracking
You literally can't read.
>>84702586
>wow /co/ you're so stupid for not liking these plot points
I'd take an example of me saying that too.

>>84702478
Why?

>>84702618
>Which is 100% a thing that happened
I was going 50/50 between terrible high school level sarcasm, and an admission from you that it actually happened, which goes along with the rest of the post admitting it was a shit decision.

So you really think its that impossible? Stranger things have happened.

>>84699274
>far-right column
We're close to bingo...

>>84702618
>The only thing stupider than this event is /co/.

It's pretty funny how most marvel heroes nowadays operate entirely on fear, very few of them are actually optimistic in any way. They're just all a bunch of costumed idiots trying to control everything about the world around them through force.

>>84702713
>The only thing stupider than this event is /co/
>???
>Therefore, you're stupid for not liking these plot points

Your syllogism is fucked.

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>>84702721
In a way it matches the current environment of fear that persists in the population of most first world nations nowadays. Everyone is afraid of realizing that despite all the safety nets in place or all the laws and police force that there's still a good chance of them dying from some random terrorist attack, gang shooting or crazy spree shooter. People are more and more willing to give up their liberties for safety but are in denial about the futility of the it because something will always slip through the cracks.

>>84702684
>Bust into someone's house
>Tackle some highschooler instead of just talking to him
>Refuse to give him a lawyer
>Taze him because he's resisting being kidnapped
>Explain nothing to anyone about what's happening
It's shit writing since the hero community is supposed to be split on this yet Carol's side makes the most retarded, and in this case blatantly evil, decisions.

>>84702859
>that page
Christ, that's almost hilarious.

>>84698112

Negasonic Teenage Warhead just came back.

>>84701801

Desperation.

Probably why Hammerhead was also there. You don't hire fellow gang, syndicate, etc. leaders like him and Jigsaw to just be minions, way too ambitious and likely to betray.

>>84698915

Reminds me of an off-color joke in King of Queens where the black guy mentioned that blacks are more likely to be criminal thugs while whites are more likely to be psychos.

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>>84696712

I don't want muh Kamala to suffer

>>84698937
Silly anon, this is Civil War. Marvel has to show us which group is hitler incarnated.

>>84699717

They fucked Americop up over in Captain America: Sam Wilson by turning him into a fascist paramilitary group that beats up minorities.

>>84699851
>>84699916

That turned out to be Black Fury disguised as Moon Knight.

>>84698915
Yeah
In Chicago there is the equivalent of Columbine and/or Sandy Hook every fucking week end.
and you can not have a single holiday with out the local Obama's sons turning the city into a bullet festival.

>>84697022
We've had post-Civil War status quo spoilers for October rolling out before issue #3 of CW2 was even out. Marvel really hates suspense and tension, apparently.

>>84698422
I mean that's the point.

Its going too far, people are getting too into being futurecops, someone needs to work shit out and as usual the super-heroes are too busy hitting each other.

>>84703705
I'm kind of wondering if it's going to be revealed that these Carol Youth guys aren't really associated with Captain Marvel, since deputizing unpowered teens to arrest thought criminals seems like a special flavor of retarded

>>84697714

Let Carol have that mantle back already plzkthx

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>>84696686
>>84696705
>>84696712
It's like someone took those 4chan greentext stories about your regular white dude getting arrested by liberal thought-police very much seriously and put them into comic book form.

>>84697522
The modern Spider-man is Miles.

>>84706094
This scares me more than anything else, the very distinct possibility that greentext could have ever become real

>>84696958
>>84697170

Because Ulysses doesn't see THE future, he sees a potential future.

>>84696712
At least Kamala is already realising this is bullshit so will inevitably change sides. But the hipster police flat out look like villains right now

>>84706928
But Carol predicted this might happen, so she asked Kamala to act as liaison in order to prevent it.

>>84696686
>>84696705
>>84696712
I would just like to point out that Carol put Kamala in-charge of the team because she trusted her to keep these kids under-reigns and stop stuff like this from happening.

The only mistake Carol made here was trusting Kamala to be able to get the job done.

>>84698349
>Josh
>beta
Nigga what? He's the quintessential Chad.

>>84707209
>hey Kamala
>I know you are literally in high school
>but I need you to be in charge of this group of post-college young adults
Carol may be a bit of an idiot

>>84696686
>>84696705

Wait didn't Kamala go full thought police on some guy for just "thinking" about robbing a bank? Is the heel turn only because she knows the guy, because that shows how shitty she really is if she just realized this.

>>84697200

Remember she was okay with it until it affected her personally. That's why she's shit.

>>84709178
It's just human nature to not really worry about and even be complicit in bad shit until it enters your personal circle

>>84706235
>mememagic

>>84696686
I don't get it what's the issue? they just stopped a minor terrorist act is it because they we're mean to him that she's so fucking triggered by this

>>84709178
>Wait didn't Kamala go full thought police on some guy for just "thinking" about robbing a bank? Is the heel turn only because she knows the guy, because that shows how shitty she really is if she just realized this.

That's how most people would react, mate.

>>84710215
We don't know the entire story, just the end result

It's entirely possible, and even likely given the way the story is going, that it was an accident, but they're hauling him in like he's already killed people

>>84696686
Why not just capture him in the act of it they know the exact fucking time he's going to do it why the preemptive strike

>>84700156
based

>>84698534
>The media represents reality

>>84706235

What scares me is that we're about to put one of two politicians into the highest executive office of the country who think it's perfectly cool to overuse the cudgel of government authority to beat people into submission, just as long as it's people their constituents don't like.

Our world's about to go to shit in a big way regardless of your politics.

>>84703184
Yeah true.

>>84703033
From the looks of it, the original NTW is still deader than dead while this all-new girl only shares the name and nothing else.

>>84709178
she told him to don't do that, she didn't arrest him.

That's the difference

>>84696841
No, she's Civil War 1 Spider-man.

In One More Day 2 she'll sell her cuteness to Mephisto.