Image Comics Plans New 'All-America' Hero for 2017

>>84584119
I really like her. Is the writer any good? I don't follow comics enough to know each writer.

>>84584119

>despite a fervent fan following, has never been awarded a series of her own.

the shade.

lol at implication Casey's America Chavez is the person everyone likes and Gillen didn't just take a cool looking blank slate.

most importantly does she wear underwear

Literally anti Trump bait garbage.

>hurrr we made our American symbol a Mexican! Take THAT Trump!

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>>84584119
Did he just rip off his own character?

>>84584137
Wafifuing ther already? Christ.

>Image made Ms America book before Marvel made a Ms America book

>>84584142
You seem triggered, amigo.

>artist Nick Dragotta
is east of west finally done?

>>84584193

Bleeding Cool ran a thing basically saying Marvel's announcing her book today or tomorrow.

This is some next level creator fuckery. I enjoy it for that if nothing else.

>>84584119
>and artist Nick Dragotta
NO. GET BACK TO WORK ON EAST OF WEST.

>>84584150
You can't do that, he's just done it again with a new publisher. Honestly if you give me current Image on Mac vs. current Marvel on Mac, even with Casey I take the former. Marvel are too tame, too willing to let their heroes be unflawed, too willing to take an easy fan appeal route instead of really working the concept.

JSA sigil magic is legitimately scaring me now.

>>84584119
>AMERICA VASQUEZ
Wow they uhh.. they're not even hiding it.

>>84584301

no one wanted casey ms america tho!

Maybe this time she'll be straight. You know for the fans.

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Oh, we're doing this again...

>>84584312
It's a character they invented. Why would they have to?

>>84584314
Honestly it's worth it just for the reactions.

>>84584335
It's the Image Comics way, anon.

I for one am glad to have this weird retread of the 90s. I know it gets a lot of hate, but the 90s were when I got into comics and shit like this just triggers nostalgia in me.

>>84584354
I didn't sigil this

but I'm laughing my ass off at Twitter right now, watching people tie themselves in knots about creator's rights when it's someone they dislike

>>84584140
>most importantly does she wear underwear

Does America Chavez not or something?

>>84584420
One thing people remember about her is how the writer made sure to mention that she doesn't wear underwear

>>84584445
Thats scarlet witch

>>84584455
Uh, no.

>>84584420
Casey said in an interview back when he first created the character for Vengeance that she doesn't wear underwear and that's an important part of her character as it says a lot about her and her personality.

>>84584455
No that was just Perez not drawing her with any all the time

>>84584418
IKR. It's just, follow through your damn argument. The reactions are hilarious!

>>84584420

Casey made a point of saying she didn't wear underwear in that first series. It was random as fuck and pointless

What're the bets they moved on this super quick when they found out Marvel either wasn't launching or was launching with a delay?

>>84584490
It's textbook Joe Casey, though. He can do some really sophisticated and interesting work, and then he undercuts it with something so juvenile, usually in a sexual way, that it ruins much of the effect.

>>84584484
>>84584418

>not sharing

cmon at least give me a hashtag to search

doubt it will be as good as the bendis doing alias again hate

>>84584498
Pretty high considering its been all but confirmed that they're going to announce the Ms. America comic at SDCC. That this announcement came just a few days before SDCC is telling.

>>84584519

i'm so worried about a shit creative team now. amerikate pushing, ugh stressful

>>84584519
Is there a rumored writer? I think Margeruite Bennett and Kelly Thomson have both mentioned a project they're really excited for - but ofc that could be anything.

>>84584536
The rumor is that its either Gillen, Ewing, or Bennett.

>>84584545

Bennett talked about DC stuff iirc, maybe Thomson. She is writing Hawkeye...
vomiting at that ship

>>84584498
Latter is pretty much confirmed

Ms America was the only person from the teasers with two people on them that hasn't gotten a book yet and there has been a writer on twitter that's been talking about MAC constantly. And Alonso said more Marvel Nower books are to be announced later.
They're totally gonna announce it and other books at SDCC at least.

>>84584545
ewing most likely
maybe gillen's return to 616 comics

>>84584513
Not so much yet

twitter.com/DavidUzumeri/status/755075224324890624

twitter.com/RaySonne/status/755072633603891200

>>84584137
Joe Casey is hit and miss

>>84584554

Keeping the Ewing/Rocafort dream alive

>>84584554
>>84584562
>Ewing
I hadn't even dared hope. Fingers crossed.

>>84584545
Not really

Jeremy Whitley has an unannounced book coming, wrote America recently, and has been tweeting aobut her a lot
And Gillen is rumored to come back and write something for marvel

>>84584554
>Gillen
Eh, he's a good writer and maybe some time away from capes has reinvigorated his writing. I just hope he doesn't undo the character development that Ewing did for her.

>Ewing
Best writer for the character, but then I don't really want him doing the solo for a relatively new character when Ewing's biggest asset is his ability to use continuity. I'd rather him be one something with a bit more history than that.

>Bennett
DELETE THIS NOW. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

>>84584562

I feel like Gillen would've been teasing something from Big 2 since he made a big deal of taking a break after Vader.

>>84584566

>If anything comes of this awful new Image title, I hope it gives women creators the confidence to rip off DC and Marvel.

reminder Copra is one of the best ongoing comics

Also you know in a way this is Casey/Dragotta RENOUNCING ownership of a character. Because they're outright saying 'this is our take and it's going to run with this other one and you get to choose'.

It is up to the fans.

>>84584213
He's not your amigo, cuate

>>84584593
I wouldn't mind Whitley just because I foresee a daughter complex meltdown there. Bennett and Whitley are similar writers IMO. Bennett is more show-off clever, Whitley has more voices.

>>84584603
>I feel like Gillen would've been teasing something from Big 2 since he made a big deal of taking a break after Vader.
I'm pretty sure I remember Gillen saying that he's going to be writing a new Marvel book coming up.

>>84584140
>implying it wasn't the design that made popular
She only pulls in the fanart and cosplay. Gillen arguably made her worst by making her a wonder woman knock off and taking a moment of bitchyness to shulkie and making it that she is a dick to everybody for no reason. Ewing is saving the character, the positive thing Gillen did was giving her a new power.

>>84584607
There's a lot of people going on about "didn't they do the version of the character no one liked/wasn't it misogynist?" completely missing that any Casey book is not exactly aiming at the Gillen demographic. So many people on whatever 'side' in comics are completely myopic about demos they don't understand/aren't a part of.

>>84584566
>twitter.com/RaySonne/status/755072633603891200

> Mad about white people making comics about non white people
Bruh

>>84584634
This is the weirdest shit. They made the character, and the take on the character you love was also written by a white guy.

>>84584627

Gillen got her out of the toy box though. And set her up to be used for Ultimates. Ewing's capitalizing on the play but he couldn't do it without Gillen's set up

>>84584625

really? my bad.

>>84584634
won't somebody think of the fictional characters?

>>84584216
Not even close

>>84584627
Let's be real here, she was a nothing of a character in Vengeance. Just a generic "angry latina" flying brick with an alright design.

Gillen is single-handedly responsible for taking her from a one-off throwaway character that'll never show up again to a new Marvel mainstay.

that dude who did the War Machine story in Civil War anthology is a good guess for it...

I've really liked Casey's output these last couple of years so I'll check this out

>>84584119
>Joe Casey
WHERE THE FUCK IS ACCEL, JOE, YOU STONER PIECE A SHIT?

>>84584632
It's fun when you consider the protests for like, my coffeeshop AU, for example. So if that ran concurrently that would be okay, but this isn't?

Also the way for whoever is writing the Miss America book to one-up this is to introduce an America Vasquez in that book, clearly this has to get as meta as possible.

>>84584490
And she was drawn with a thong sticking out of her pants anyway!

>>84584700
Hate him for his Kate/Mac ship and his making Kate the focus for Mac (which is like Hulkling/Wiccan, and inevitably ruins one of the characters IMO) but like him for potential weird background ideas for America and the possibility of entertaining fury when his writing/daughterfu is criticized.

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>>84584119
This is the most 90's Image Comix-ish thing I've seen in decades and I love it.
And I hate the current push of 90's comics bullshit... but this-- this falls right in line with the spirit of Image Comic's "Fuck Marvel" origins.

They need to get Felipe Smith and Tradd Moore to do a "Hotty Rodriguez: Demon Speeder" series while we're at it.

>>84584719
Yeah, I never understood that. In the very interview that he said that in, the concept art clearly showed her wearing a thong.

>>84584687
Gillen's was just as much of an angry latina despite his claim that he wouldn't write her that way. He just added backstory.

>>84584716

first arc she goes to Earth-526 and runs into America Whatevervez.

coffee au is such a weird hill these people are dying on. even cheers was set in a bar!

>>84584719
>>84584749
Only in the concept art. She didn't have that in the actual comic.

>>84584119
Vasquez on Chavez porn will be good.

>>84584758
Wasn't it Gillen who made her 100% lesbian? Honestly, I feel that's a large part of the attachment here. Very few lesbian characters in the same position.

is America even Latina? she's a cross dimensional alien

>>84584731

it's a mixed bag. but ideas beyond AMERIKATE OTP is a huge plus so I can probably deal.

>>84584788
Chavez will still have a dick, right?

>>84584761
The coffeeshop AU is so fascinating to me because it comes from very long-running fanfic communities, that do it in a wide variety of fandoms, but the person I see advocating it most extensively is Andy Wheeler, who doesn't ping me as 'in' that fandom in any way. It's like he's read about it from outside and has drawn hearts around the idea but never engaged with the reality.

Rereading the Ultimates trade, I forgot the 0 issue ended with Chavez being like "I'll take this down if they go evil" is she actually not in Ultimates Squared or is Rich full of shit?

>>84584793
Yes he made everybody except kate gay in YA
>>84584797
Nope and oddly Gillen kept the spanglish. Ewing is when that dropped.

I like her already.

Bet Rucka is realising he fucked up in not launching GRANDEUR LADY instead of coming back to DC right now.

or just Moon Girl, my favourite public domain superheroine and absolutely a not! Wonder Woman

>>84584863
Well she is on the cover but we don't know how civil war will effect them.

>>84584912

Considering that Divided teaser I can see why Rich assumed she's off.

>>84584853

was he hammering it before that death of fandom article that everyone got mad about?

>>84584906
Are Wonder Woman knock offs that common, I can't think of one besides Glory. There are tons of Superman ones and a few Batmen out there

>>84584788
>>84584843
Futa chavez is the only way

>>84584597

This. Gillen is decent but the best thing we could have for this character is Ewing. He was able to de-sue Chavez and is the only person who can put canon back into BENDIS shit and turn a leaded turd into a golden nugget.

>Bennet

I hope she stays the fuck away from any well-known comic series and keeps to her Victorian England lesbian bugwomen comic. That way her shlock is self-contained, especially if Vasquez will be lesbian like Chavez because Bennett shits the bed as soon as she can with punky dramaqueen lesbos with no plot and flimsy characters.

>Ewing America book is just continuity clean up

i could fuck with that.

>>84584976
Ewing really is the modern Busiek, isn't he?

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>>84584940
Moon Girl is great don't tempt me to rant on about her. She only got like 6 issues ever. One of her villains was a witch riding a mermaid who was friends with a werewolf. Another was Satan as a gangster woman.

She comes from a line of queens in a hidden still-living Samarkand and got an amulet that made her invulnerable and undefeatable in battle, pretty much IMMEDIATELY after swearing she would never accept any man who couldn't defeat her in battle. This superb warrior prince guy she was crushing on just went and taught athletics at American colleges after that, but they teamed up occasionally.

>>84584976
The big thing about Ewing is he sees and is willing to tackle the insecurity and negativity in her attitudes along with the great, heroic parts. And his cosmic so far as been awesome in terms of themes so yeah, a Ewing America book would be A++ to me. Even his choice of making her girlfriend a normal human paramedic was clever.

>>84584610
I'm not your cuate, vato.

>>84585136
i'm not your vato, compa.

>>84584119
Why are people so obsessed with America Chaves? She is literally "Saucy Latina Lady" nº3586, why all the cult following for her? She is such a nothing characters.

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>>84585165
THIGHS
H
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H
S
seriously, that's most of it

>>84585165
Honestly I think comics need more saucy latina ladies.

>America Chavez
>America Vasquez
>America Perez
>America Lopez
>America Ramirez
>America Ibanez
>America Juarez
>America Martinez
>America Nunez
>America Gimenez
>America Suarez
>America Benitez
>America Mendez

>>84585226
I, personally, feel like every superhero team requires one sassy black lady telling them what to do.

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>>84584336
the America in Vengeance was a very different character than the one we gotten from New Avengers and onward.

>>84585283
I still don't understand what you think they have to hide.

>>84585226
Thank fuck Johns avoided that stereotype.

>>84584119
So Casey is butthurt that they took his character, basically turned her into a new one and made her more popular (even though current Miss America is probably the shittiest character at Marvel right now) and is going to do his own Destroyer Duck in response?

>>84584775
Are you sure? I could have sworn it was in the comic too

>>84585165
I like what Ewing's done for her. Making her act bitchy to cover up that she's got deep-seated issues and keeps running away from her problems is a concept with potential, IMO.
Being a lesbo helps.

>>84584150
It's happened before. When Gerber left Marvel on less than amicable terms, he went and created Destroyer Duck with Jack Kirby.

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>>84585404
Pretty sure.

>>84584142
I would've said Marvel is reacting to demographics changes, they'll probably be publishing their comics in spanish within just twenty years.

>>84585433
Is it worth reading?

So is this America straight and would that be the final topping on perfect trolling?

>>84585386
>>84585433

strangely it took him several years and the original Miss America becoming super popular to do it.

>>84585312
it's a shameless rip off of another persons take on a character even if you're the originator, kinda like how Catwoman stole her cat-burglar gimmick from Black Cat, A Catwoman ripoff.

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Good, maybe we won't get a character that sucks balls.

>>84585479
>super popular
[CITATION NEEDED]

>>84585487
>I still don't understand what you think they have to hide.
There is no indication this is a rip-off of Gillen's take, BTW.

>>84585524
twitter/tumblr popular which doesn't necessarily translate to sales, judging by Young Avengers and Ultimates.

>>84585524

you know what i mean.

>>84585516
Maybe we can get a character that SUCKS BALLS.

>>84585568

twitter/tumblr doesn't care about Ultimates

>>84585211
And lesbians.

>>84585226
Saucy latina lesbians

>>84585605
Too bad, because despite not having much panel time, she's shown more character in that book than she ever had in Young Avengers.

>>84585546
stop being ignorant it's clearly a rip off of Gillen's take, go read Vengeance

>>84585656
It's clearly a rip-off of Gillen's take? You have five sentences and two lines of text to make that judgement.

>>84584930
I'd have to go and look, but he insists that a Steve/Bucky coffeeshop AU would sell so much to all the manga readers that it'd make Marvel tons of money.

>>84585878
The problem is "manga readers" aren't going to pay the high prices Marvel charges compared to Manga

And Manga's readership is declining anyways.

>>84585955
You know this and I know this

and if he spent more time in the fandom cultures he claims that'd tap into, he'd know that the relationship of fan enthusiasm to material that they pay for is often a very loose one. E.g., there could never be another Batfam comic tomorrow, and parts of fandom would keep on chugging.

>>84585989
In this brave new era of troll comics Image ought to launch a gay Nazi Cap rip-off.

>>84586021
Somebody call Miller, he'll shake off the Cancer just for a shot at writing that.

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>>84585989
Yeah, I enjoyed gabzillaz's batfam fan art, but when the New 52 gave her a whole bunch of "not muh" she largely moved on.

She's beauty, she's grace, she'll kick you into paste!

>>84584761
America Valdez
America Gonzalez
America Perez
America Rodriguez
America Alvarez
America Sanchez
America Jimenez
America Fernandez
America Hernandez
America Lopez
America Martinez

You can make a whole arc of Chavez meeting them or something and someone can just go "Where is Vasquez?" and another one of them can just throw shade at Vasquez.

>>84586179
>America Ameriquez

>>84584119
Watch as this turns out to be better than the America Chavez comic.

>>84584150
Englehart did that two more times with Mantis after making that character.

>>84585426
>Making her act bitchy to cover up that she's got deep-seated issues and keeps running away from her problems is a concept with potential, IMO.
Is this every single lesbian character writen by the big two?
Montoya, Kate and America.

>>84586203
that's not going to hard, the Chavez book will 1) be written by a woman whose never written a comic book before and drawn by a webcomic artist who can't/wont draw backgrounds 2) the book will be about what Ms. America does when she's not actively fighting crime with the Ulitimates, so there won't be a rogues gallery or actual superhero book structure but another Marvel attempt to recreate a slice of life book with superpowers, like Ms. Marvel.

>>84586134
DK Donkey Kong

>>84586284
Just Rucka's Montoya, she's nice and stable enough before and after him.

>>84584119
man, Latina girls are the best. my first girlfriend was a Latina, but I was white and her dad threatened me with a goddamn samurai sword.

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>>84586415
>my first girlfriend was a Latina, but I was white and her dad threatened me with a goddamn samurai sword.

I'm confused.

>>84584597
Ewing would be the best writer for America Chavez but I rather have Ewing writing the new upcoming Nova comic.

Gillen will destroy everything good Ewing did for her and force Amerikate down people's throats even more.

>>84586203
>>84586340
Vazquez' comic already sounds really good with all the Cosmic talk in it

... so, is this one gonna be a lesbian?

That's post is a lot of word that tells us nothing. Frankly these characters are getting stale. Nothing was said sounded interesting, I don't get it. I needed more than " of its like 'this' something that people might have liked, but with totally hip 'swagger' ."

... maybe I am getting old but I heard these kind of hard sale one too many times.

>>84586524
It won't even be out until 2017, I imagine they're announcing it this early to undercut Marvel.

>>84586512
Gillen isn't the one behind that ship.

>>84586655
Image announces everything early,they announced Darwyn Cooke's comic before he even began to work on it

>>84586661
He's the one who had her crack the "you're not as straight as you think you are" line, which a bunch of weirdos attached themselves to as proof.

>>84586692
Made even weirder by the fact that Gillen explicitly said that Kate is straight and MAC was just teasing her.

>>84586661
>the person that made America gay and had her aggressively hit on kate isn't behind the ship

Nigga what

>>84586741
Mac's Chad ex-boyfriend coming back and telling her "you're not as gay as you think you are" would be some nice trolling, if only some writer were willing to do it.

>>84586777
They would never turn her bi. Marvel just can't handle characters playing both sides of the fence. I'd want that though

>>84586655
Image announces everything really early. Most of the things they announce don't even end up coming out.

>>84586825
>the darwyn cooke comic never came about because of his cancer
I was really excited for it too

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>>84586823
>Marvel just can't handle characters playing both sides of the fence.
What about Daken?

>>84586855
Where is Daken anyways?

>>84586855
He barely exist.

>>84586877
died of M-Pox during the 8 month gap following Secret Wars

>>84586911
Really?
Man, fucking Inhumans.

>>84586825

>Most of the things they announce don't even end up coming out.

I don't think this is true, they may take a long time but they eventually come out. Snotgirl comes out this week.

Stuff like Revengance where the author dies is really rare.

>>84586877
In a grave.

>>84584627
This, she's Asami in comic form.

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>>84585234
Don't forget America Jara.

>>84586959
Bleeding Cool did an article on the amount of stuff that has been annopunced at Image Expos and never appeared again,
>http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/13/the-image-comics-expo-announcements-that-went-missing-in-action/

>>84587196
are most of it from the image 2015 expo
that was a shitshow

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>Marlel and Imagay in a SJW contest
What a time to be a DC fan.

>>84587247
24 years later and Marvel still believes every dollar Image makes is rightfully theirs and will do everything in their power to get it.

>>84587196
>ctrl f nick spencer
>4 matches
not enough, he is by far the worst at this

>>84584119
Por que es tan puta?

Why are people getting mad

Image comics take a big fat stinking shit all over marvels garbage rags

No doubt this will be better than any whatever solo america chavez solo title the autists at marvel decide to spunk out

>>84587196
totally forgot about those ronald wimberly gentrification and slavery themed books

>>84587196

Thanks for posting this, hopefully in the future they will curb announcing books so early.

>>84585164
I'm not your compa, carnal

>>84587326
>Marvel literally bought the rights to Angela as a fuck you to MacFarlane
This will never not be funny.

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>>84587196
>one of them a Darwyn Cooke book
>forever in the backburner

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>>84588000
>and then they didn't know what to do with her
>so they put Marg Bennett to write her
In the end, it was a "fuck myself."

>>84587782
most of image expo 2016 had a decent sized preview or has been solicited
I think they got their act together, like how you can't just release issues whenever but have to have atleast 3 to release before they solicit them

>>84588091
An Image title is never a guarantee, eh.

>>84586091

Nu52 always destroying something nice.

>>84584272
Mainstream comic characters are brands, not living, changing narrative arcs. You can't have a brand change, then you'd have to change how and to whom it is marketed. That is, unless you think a character has gotten stale and needs a rebrand.
As far as Marvel is concerned, blame Lee, blame Shooter, and now blame Disney.

Having marketable, unflawed characters is their m.o.

>>84587621

Because the creator of America wrote her as straight while the Tumblrinas prefer the Gillen take where she's a full lesbo from the magical dimension of perfect magical lesbos. So they fear this is her creator doing America as straight for the male gaze.

>>84584137
Joe Casey is her creator.

>>84586929
He made it up anon

>>84584658
She already had her attitude and look before Gillen, and vengeance was cosmic so she wouldn't have been off the table for ultimates. Gillen literally only pulled the back story.

>>84584853
What is this?

So they're trying to do what Simon and Kirby did in the 50's with Fighting American? Might be cool, I love Fighting American!

>>84586091

Jesus what a lazy looking comic

>>84589715
Or Gerber's Destroyer Duck. Or, like, half the output of Image from the 90s.

Image was basically founded on the backs of former Marvel writers writing rip-offs and pastiches of characters they either made or worked on over at Marvel.

Bravo to Casey and Dragotta for continuing the proud tradition and bringing a little more 90s into our lives.

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Gillen weighs in - "developing" - I bet he wishes he could write creating.

>>84589874

pretty sure Gillen's of the "i'm not creating new characters for Big 2" mindset, so he did the cool thing of digging up old stuff everyone forgot about and revamped it

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>>84585623

But of course. They are professional taco eaters after all.

>>84589874
>one amazing thing about America Chavez is that she both is and isn't latina in a way that is usually reserved for anglos in sci-fi
Huh. Dude's got a point.

>>84589910
>old stuff
She debuted in 2011. Gillen used her in 2013. And personally, I don't think Jeremy's line there really matches up with how Gillen used and wrote her. I can believe it's "some of the things" in that he wanted an American hero who represented non-white, rapidly growing America and god we all know about his demiurge shit, but I don't think Whitley's Mac = Gillen's Mac. I think it's more about scoring points and weighing in on a successor.

And that look thing? The ethnicity? That *wasn't* Gillen.

>>84589982
Yes, and then he talks about how she looks/could be Native America and talks about a Chavez for each continent. If he gets the book, it might be interesting. OTOH his Choosing Sides stuff I found awkward and I dislike that notion that America lives for Kate on multiple levels. None of which is "I don't like lesbians" or "I don't like this ship".

>>84589982
I don't understand, what does that mean?

>>84590207
She's not from here. And in fact where she's from has none of the oppression/disadvantage that latino people have here. Think The Man Who Fell To Earth.

>>84590267
More like The Brother from Another Planet.

>>84590305
I was mentioning something where the alien was anglo, though mainly thinking of the book.

>>84590207
You know how space aliens are all white or have a culture approximately just American in lazy space stuff. This is that but Latin American. Which is novel.

>>84585471
Comics won't exist in twenty years

>>84590267
>>84590656

Ah, okay. Thanks, anons!

>>84590770
lol

>>84589874
God, how I loathe that balding cuck.

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>>84584119

>Non-Military Vets wearing Military Fatigues

This bothers me to no end, and i'm not even a Veteran. In this case, not only is it the style, but to have a rank patch on the jacket?

Its just fucking disrespectful for the men & women who have served

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>>84584335
BUT MISSILES

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>>84587196
>Darwyn Cooke on that list at all

>>84592303
Maybe it belonged to a family member.