The new scenes add more context but do not make it a better movie.

B-but it's good movie, before it was 6/10, now it's 9/10.

>>84211132
They added more bread to a shit sandwich.

It's only slightly more tolerable, but I still wouldn't eat it.

Also, if the studio wants a 2:30 movie, and you give them a 3:30 movie so that they have to cut it, it's not the studio's fault that the theatrical release is shit.

>>84211132
They made this movie for nothing more, or less, than money. They clearly read cliff-notes for everything they based it off of, but honestly, the real failing is the characters. Superman should never. EVER. be grim-dark. Superman needs to remind us of everything good and righteous in the world. This superman is the exact opposite of how he should be. For reference of how it should be, see bruce tim's work, superman vs. the elite, and dear god at the LEAST all-star superman. This was a cash-grabbing fuck-up. End of story.

>>84211310

>They made this movie for nothing more, or less, than money.

You say this as if you've broken some major movie studio conspiracy.

>>84211154
I'd say worse than misunderstands, he's flat out embarrassed by them.

Which is why he tried to move as far away from any source material, character and tone wise, as he could.

>>84211310
>they made this movie for money
No shit stupid, you think marvel is making movies because they care about the characters? They struck gold with Iron Man 1 and have been using that as their cliff notes to base their movies off of for years. No major studio is making capeshit because they care about the characters, they're taking advantage off a fad, nothing more, nothing less.

>>84211132
>what went wrong

It was too intelligent for the general populace. I guess it shows that you can't make a movie faithful to the comics and expect everyone to like it. This is why comics are niche now. The audience just wants quips and memes, and general tumblr liberal pandering.

>>84211310
>a movie was made to make money

Call the lone gunmen, Mulder. You're onto something here.

>>84211414
>too intelligent
Snyder pls go and stay go

>>84211504
Nice answer, that doesn't change the fact hat most of the public was too stupid to understand anything beyond much Jesus. Lex as prometheus was so in your face they even had a victor-adam moment with doomsday and yet most idiots still ask about his motivations.

>>84211337
>>84211354
>>84211474
There's a difference between making something purely to make money, like Snyder's BvS or Bay's Transformers movies, and making something to make money while putting your love into it, like Deadpool or the Cap movies.

>>84211605

Because symbolism isn't a replacement for character.

>>84211605
>coke head lex doesn't trust superman
>so he makes an uncontrolable kryptonian abomination that cannot be killed or stopped, and hopes it maybe decides to kill superman.

Jenius

>>84211154
no he didnt, fuck off you "not muh" faggot, and op get better taste in film

>>84211132
>What went wrong

The problem is that general audiences in the states hate to think while watching a movie, they asume that because the movie has CGI that it has to be dumb like Age of Ultron or Transformers

>>84211132
>What went wrong
Snyder, and his hatred for comics. He likes shit like heavy metal, which is awesome mind you, and even then, he doesn't even read it, he just likes the pretty pictures. That's what the movie was. A collection of panels he thought looked cool in some pictures he saw, and he wanted to copy that without realizing that there was emotion behind a lot of the shit he took. He likes angry superman with red eyes, which is cool, but if thats all your superman is doing throughout the movie, without a single fucking smirk, that just isn't superman at all.

>>84211132
>What went wrong

Terrible director, terrible script, terrible flick.

Just a bland, boring, dull flick that has the nerve to waste your time for 3 hours for something so stupid.

>>84211638
Spoken like a true pleb that only watches standard generic Hollywood garbage and that has never opened a book.
The Prometheus stuff is giving you more information than the lies lex tell about his past. The "symbolism" is not there to make the movie seem smart, is there to give you context and to explore the characters without wasting time in worthless flashbacks.

>>84211170
>It's only slightly more tolerable, but I still wouldn't eat it.
Topkek. The sandwich is only tolerable because the added bread serves to add some buffer to the shitty taste.

>>84211676
>>84211678
>>84211748
>le "it was too smart for you" meme
Fucking stop it.

>>84211748
The Da Vinci Code has more meaning in its symbolism.

>>84211659
>lex doednt trust superman

Whrlere are you getting this?

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Does Snyder get Superman?

These people think no
>>84211692
>>84211132
>>84211154
>>84211343


I think this comic gets Superman and I think Zach's never read it, or anything else that gets to the heart of the character, let alone understood it.>>84211474


Garth "Cunty Bollocks Edgelord of the Crossed Horsecock" Ennis fucking gets Superman, and Snyder never will.

>>84211692
>Snyder, and his hatred for comics.
Oh good god you people are so delusional

>>84211798

Not an argument pleb.

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Didn't mean to quote >>84211474

>>84211769
The fuck did i say that? You stupid little fuck, you cant even read.

So yeah probably was to smart for you.

>>84211813
do you see the irony or something here?Because baseless accusations arent arguments either.

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>>84211474
>>84211354


Psst. Hey anons. Come here.

See this shit? Movie studios have been pumping movies into theatres for decades to get more of these.

I don't know why they want these green rectangles with people on it but i fear we might have a conspiracy on our hands.

>>84211676
I believe you need better taste sir;
Man of steel and Batman v superman are shit.

>>84211838

Nothing baseless about it. Snyder has the mind of a child.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc&list=WL&index=81

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>See the ultimate edition
>Movie is somewhat more bearable

The only things I REALLY didnt like about it are the

>LOL MARTHA WE FRIENDS NOW

and

>LOL BATMAN KILLING everybody

I feel like they corrupted one of my childhood heroes and I feel sick to my stomach.

>>84211790
>Does Snyder get Superman?
Of course he does, the character is in no way a complex one, at all. I willing to bet you havent read much of the 80's or 70's superman stuff either.

You are upset that a film tried to explore a character in a different way and isn't a altruistic flyboy from the get go.

>>84211790
Snyder only reads Miller's stuff.
So his entire concept of Superman is "lame idiot, that doesn't understand the world" and his only concept of Batman is "psychopath".

So yeah, somebody should have wrapped All Star Superman around a brick and thrown it through his window at some point.

His more "lighthearted" Justice League movie won't be any better. Because even if he adds quips and fartjokes, he still will not get to the essence of the characters.

>>84211902
Thanks anon, perhaps you would be at home better at a site like reddit with your "sirs".
>>84211904
Its entirely baseless dumbass.

>>84211904


Is Snyder retarded?

>>84211907
>LOL BATMAN KILLING everybody
no he didnt

>corrupted one of my childhood heroes
Go fuck yourself you whiny manchild

>>84211911
>So his entire concept of Superman is "lame idiot, that doesn't understand the world" and his only concept of Batman is "psychopath".

If thats what you think Miller's work showed, then its confirmed you have read even less then Snyder. Besides the film had references to much more than Millers stuff.

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>>84211964

wow, what a wonderful argument you got there and backed up with so much facts, as expected of a DC cuck

>>84212022
You literally stated he killed everybody, when out of all the people killed in his fights he was only responsible for two death maximum. So yeah wonderful arguments there you Marvelcuck or whatever dumbass trigger words you can spout.

>>84211908
I posted a comic that perfectly expresses the character. I further suggest All Star Superman

Now write out what you and Zach seem to think Supes's all about, compare with the pages I posted about what Supes really is about, and and prove your position with a comic book that shows you know what you're talking about.

>>84212022
But if he was DC cuck, he'd spit on movie because not muh comics.
R-right?

>>84211132
Everyone involved had different agendas. Snyder wanted some kind of mythological epic with superheroes but didn't have a clear vision of what exactly that would look like, the WB execs basically wanted an Iron Man 2 style continuity wrangling exercise in order to set up Justice League, Terrio wanted a slick action thriller, Goyer wanted to suck a few thousand more cocks and Affleck just wanted a good movie.

And nobody was in charge.

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>>84212101

kek

>>84212101

This!

>>84212101
>Affleck just wanted a good movie.

Saddest and truest part of the post

I believe in him if he can get his Batman and direct it. It might not suck

>>84212074
???
did you even read what i put?

Assuming your not just trolling, go read the Man of Steel stuff, the Moore stuff and some of the 80's mongul issues.

>>84212079
i like DC and Marvel (althought the latter has been mostly shit for the past few years), my favourite comic based film is the '87 punisher film

>>84212193
I'm sure he could. He's got a shitload of experience, he can clearly direct action and drama and he's got a ton of love for superheroes. It's pretty clear why WB wants him to do it.

I think Snyder failed to justify the more thematic or symbolic elements within the story itself.

Like since a major element of the plot involves Lex, Batman, and pretty much all of humanity projecting their own fears and feelings about God onto Superman (much to Superman's frustration), it makes sense to have Superman be kind of a distant figure who doesn't talk a lot.

However, in-character based on where he was at the end of Man of Steel, how he is with Lois, and what he wants in general, it doesn't really make sense for Superman to not at least -fake- being cheerful and approachable, instead of being so taciturn which he should be smart enough to know only makes things worse.

>>84212208
Fuck you, post comic books nerd

Your words mean nothing to me without pages to back them up

>>84212193

I'm just waiting to see how he's going to turn Gotham into Boston for his film.

>>84211132

Just like Man of Steel the movie had too many details and dialogue bits that people didn't understood because they weren't paying enough attention.

I blame Marvel Disney for this, their movies are so comboluted and yet so bland and traighforward that people don't pay attention when characters are not quipping.

>>84211154
Agreed

>>84212274
>>84212208
To clarify: I have read tons of moore and other things. Post the specific pages and make a more specific argument about what the exact character of the man of steel is, because this is a fucking image board about comics

>>84212314
>had too many details and dialogue bits that people didn't understood because they weren't paying enough attention.
There are people on this planet right now who truly believe this. About Snyder.

>I hated BvS
Okay

>civil war was a lot better
Andddddd opinion disregarded

>>84212367
I don't normally rely on RT scores as an indication of quality and you're entitled to your opinion, but c'mon.

>>84212325
go read them, i only have cbr files or physical copies, i gave you the stuff to read,now go do it.

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>>84212383
>Namefag having shitty opinion
Colour me surprised, i swear the only worthile faggots who do that are Judgeanon and Minifig

>>84212367

The worst thing you can say about Civil War is the airport fight basically feels like a glorified aside that doesn't fit with the rest of the film.

The worst thing you can say about BvS is everything about BvS.

>>84212389
I mean, when shit like this happens, you at least have to ask yourself, "Am I wrong?"

>>84212410
What's wrong with CW anyway?

>>84211790
>this is what people think of superman

Holy crap is that awful. This is post Superman 78 garbage.

There two kinds of superman writers : people who only like the character from the 1978 movie and Marvel fans DC hires to "marvelize" the character

Pre-crisis superman was hardly consistent in characterization but people who post garbage like that pic really don't get superman at all. The whole "symbol of hope" of cringeworthy nonsense and applies to any superhero. Snyder understands the character a lot better than you do,

Then again this is /co/ where I can't expect people to have read any actual comics

>>84212412
the worst thing you can say about cw is that it was another bland film by the mcu, only this time it doesnt make sense within its own universe.

worst thing you can say about bvs is shitty editing forced as fuck jla cameos

>>84212367

>DC cucks will never stop being assblasted about their capekino getting BTFO

>>84212412
Everything in CW was a mess and so was BvS
So I can see disliking both
But hating one and liking the other is bizarre to me. I can't imagine a functioning human being honestly holding that opinion (no offense of course)

>>84212439
>Bland cinematography
>slightly above average for a mcu flick cheography
>No actual consequences come from the film
>Shitty representations for villains, yet again, despite the actors for both being very good.
>Motivations being forced or not making sense.

Dont call me a dcuck because i havent even seen bvs yet.
>

>>84212510
>both movies are artless cash grabs with very little thought put into them
>LMAO BUTTMAD DCcucks LoLololo

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>>84212520
>Dont call me a dcuck

Sure thing DCuck.

>>84212549
nice retort faggot

DC fans are like battered housewives at this point.

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>i use movies reviews to prove my point, because i can't form an opinion on my own and I dont have facts to backup my argument

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>>84211132
>>84211144
Before it was a 10/10 and now it's 11/10.

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>>84211414
>faithful to the comics
>Bvs

Pick 1 & only 1

>>84211154
Lie
>>84211170
Lie
>>84211310
Lie (except the money part; all movies are made for money)
>>84211343
Lie
>>84211692
Lie
>>84211747
Lie


Can anyone who dislikes this movie say anything truthful to support their claims? I don't think so.

>>84212743
Nah, they're all truths.

>>84212520

>lol
>lol
>cap and all of his friends are fugitives
>lol
>lol

>>84211132
They hired Zack Snyder and didn't keep his autism in check.
BvS is the MGSV of movies.

Symbolism only cannot carry a movie.If all a director focuses on is symbolism but neglects the plot and the characters, the movie will be bad.

People did not hate BvS because they could not understand Snyder's symbolism,they hated the movie because that was all the movie had going for it.

>>84211132
They clearly wanted to deliberately wanted to do something new and different with the characters, and people weren't pleased. I'm personally more open to new things, and for example ended up liking Lex a lot and found Batman's new-found brutality interesting.

Maybe this movie would have been better if the characters had been in their own movies first. It was cearly too much, too different and too soon.

8.5/10 from me, even though the movie was flawed.

>>84212520
>No actual consequences come from the film
>Black Panther took up his mantle and his father died
>Zemo is coming back as a villain for future MCU storylines
>the Avengers are essentially disbanded
>Steve, Clint, Wanda and the rest of his side are now wanted fugitives
>Rhodey is crippled
>Spider-Man got a suit from Tony that he will continue to use going forward
>Steve relinquished his shield to Tony
>Tony wants Steve Rogers DEAD

Right, no actual consequences except for the ones that are already going to be important factors in the following films.

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>>84211637

yeah no, all this time the studios have been trying to figure out what is the right tone for the movies, Marvel got it right with Iron Man and they have been eploiting this tone since and now they found the right tone again with the winter soldier, which is why the Russos are here is to stay. There is no love, only the right procedure. Why do you think was Iron Man the center of the MCUniverse and now its Cap? or a rather worse example JLaw/Mystique being the center of the x-men.

>>84211942
>Its entirely baseless dumbass.

"But Batman doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie."

-Zack Snyder

>>84212923
I honestly have no idea what raping Batman could add to a Batman movie aside from needless edginess. I don't see how that could possibly inform his character in any way.

>>84212876
>the Avengers are essentially disbanded

Iron Man has been out of the team since Age of Ultron anyway,

>Steve, Clint, Wanda and the rest of his side are now wanted fugitives

Under the protection of Wakanda and I'm pretty sure, Black Panther has enough power to clear the whole mess and rightfully blame Zemo.

>Tony wants Steve Rogers DEAD

this isn't even true.

the rest, other than crippled Rhodney, are not really serious consequences.

>>84212956

I doubt it was meant to be taken serious in the first place.

This one scene from TDK illustrates Batman better than BvS could ever hope to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKl11EzMTAE

>>84212876

Spot on

>>84212673
i love how cap doesnt include every post that tore it apart.

>>84212876
>Steve relinquished his shield to Tony

he is Wakanda, he can get a whole armor there.

>>84213053

You mean the poor dcucks failing to deny facts?

It 100% accurate desu

>>84212993
Yeah it was. It's from an interview discussing why Snyder wanted to direct the Watchmen movie. It shows his juvenile sensibilities pretty well.

>>84211132
>What went wrong
skip to about 5:55
https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine/batman-v-superman-spoiler-special-with-zack-snyder-charles-roven-deborah-snyder

>>84212876

Everything here is correct except for the last one. It's intentionally kept vague so they have more freedom with the writing in Infinity War.

So there is no Jenna Malone in this after all?

>>84212876
>Black Panther took up his mantle and his father died
not a consequence
>Zemo is coming back as a villain for future MCU storylines
Would you actually want that? He wasnt a bad actor but the character was closer to Dr. Fastus than it was Zemo.
>the Avengers are essentially disbanded
until the next avengers film.
>Steve, Clint, Wanda and the rest of his side are now wanted fugitives
Implying this wont be ignored for future releases the same way tonys involvement in AoU was.
>Rhodey is crippled
This could of been something, it could of been a defining moment to warrant Iron Man's motivation till the end. But lol nope, he got robot legs now.
>Spider-Man got a suit from Tony that he will continue to use going forward
Consequences?
>Steve relinquished his shield to Tony
Implying thats not gonna be resolved right away in the next film, or ignored.
>Tony wants Steve Rogers DEAD
No he doesnt.

You didnt even try. You dont even know what the word consequence means.

>>84211170
On the other hand, it is the studio's fault for hiring a director with such fuck stupid ideas.

>>84212923
You are a fucking tool arent you.

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>>84213002
>AAARRRRRRHHHG!

But imagine being older Batman, letting criminals of the hook, sparing their lives, sending them to the loony bin, only so they could escape and do more crimes. Imagine what it feels like, when you go in such lengths to sparing their lives, only so they could spit you in the eye. At some point I'd stop trying and just get the job done once and for all.

>>84213151

>Assumptions: the post.

>>84213132
I get the feeling synder just doesn't really understand capes. Seeing as how serious discussions in costumes has been happening almost since the time they were created.

>>84212876
>the Avengers are essentially disbanded

this is stupid, Caps team has now Ant-man and black panther and Clint is back, while Iron Man got back from his retirement and got Spider-Man and Vision.

>>84213090
nah i mean the happy dcucks that tore it apart, its like a marvel cucks pathetic attempt at one upping the kino chart thing.

>>84212520
>Bland cinematography
Examples. Go on.
>slightly above average for a mcu flick cheography
That's not even a bad thing. If something's above average, that's a strength.
>No actual consequences come from the film
Like the other guy said, Cap and all his friends are fugitives hiding in Wakanda, Rhodey can hardly walk and the Avengers barely even exist anymore.
>Shitty representations for villains, yet again, despite the actors for both being very good
I actually agree kinda
>Motivations being forced or not making sense.
To you maybe.
>Zemo is pissed about Sokovia
>Tony's being all my way or the highway again over his permanently guilty conscience
>Cap wants to keep the Avengers independent considering how Hydra was running SHIELD last time and is still out there, and he also knows that nobody would believe that Bucky didn't do it

There are your motivations.

>>84213179

I think a lot of directors think the same, they just don't say it out loud.

>>84213144
Blonde with glasses.

>>84213189

There wasn't one intelligent counter to it though.

>>84213160
Fair enough, but good luck convincing the fans of the movie.

>>84213094
>calls others juvinile
>DOesnt even have any reading comprehension.
That article was disscusing how the nolan films with talk of dark themes but never adress them, Snyder was using rape as an example of something he may choose to allude to darker elements, not that he actually wanted to see batman raped.

Why is it that the people that think Snyder doesn't get Superman always post comics, while the people that do think that Snyder gets Superman never have an image to go with their post that isn't a smug reaction face?

>>84213170
only two of those were assumptions and were based entirely on what has been presented in previous entries. Try harder.

>>84213204
So the base problem can probably be identified as movie directors not understanding their audience.

>>84213266

I guess, you say this while thinking the audience are comic-fans, which isn't the case.

>>84213265


Half of it was assumptions, the other half was poor comprehension on your part.

All together your post war poor.

>>84213168
>At some point I'd stop trying and just get the job done once and for all.
Well, that's why you're not Batman, isn't it?

>>84213259
I think it's falseflagging.
No one can be so stupid to like this movie, right?
R-right...?

>>84213336
I'm pretty sure Snyderfags are so desperate to claim a victory in their god humanizing these characters that they forgot that the entire point is that the characters have a morality that's better than that of the lowest common denominator.

>>84213207
The forensics scientist in the dumb wig?

I must be stupid, I swear I didn't see her name in the credits.

>>84213369
Yeah, her. She's obscure STAR Labs character.
So much about her being Babs.

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>>84211310
Bruce Timm's work often was "grimdark." I feel like casuals have this fanfic character who they call "Superman" who sucks on a fundamental level. His (very limited) character, inherently, gives him the elements of a Mary Sue or a writer's pet, because the plot acting in his favor is fundamental to Fanon-Man.

It's a no-win situation, because being faithful to Superman, in their eyes, means writing a bad character, who under any other name would be a subject of mockery.

Batman, comparatively, is far more fortunate and more varied in how he can be adapted, so as a result, he'll always be more popular. The image casuals have of him allows him to struggle and to behave like a human being.

>>84212763
Prove it then.

>>84213389
>Bruce Timm's work often was "grimdark."
>smuganimegirl.png
That's not grimdark. That's just regular dark. Grimdark involves adult themes portrayed like a teenage boy would. Like Snyder.

>>84213384
Yeah, I just checked, I was dumb.

But hey, Babs could still be Emily Browning. Or Abbie Cornish.

>>84213477

Disprove it.

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Who's this? He came out in the end

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I'm glad I didn't read DC or I'll end up being as stupid as these DCfags.
>inb4 marvelfag
Used to. I don't read capes no'mo

>>84211132
Never saw it in the theatre.

But the biggest flaw would be in the marketing. The trailers really did spoil a way too large portion of the plot.

The film also has zero real suspense and never tries to make up for this in other departments. You know that all the characters will live through the film. But the same could be said to Cap: CW, but at least that film created tension in the characters continued relationships to each other.

Too long.

Crappy CGI.

Uninspired cinematography.

6/10. Not bad by a long shot, but not very good either. It deserved to be better.

+Batfleck was the only actually good part of the film.

>>84213132
>we wanted to do this one scene in costumes but it didn't work
>this means Snyder can never have dialogues in costumes
And then people wonder why these kids couldn't understand BvS.

>>84213389
Speaking as someone that's been called a Superfag and thinks Snyder's an edgelord with a fundamental misunderstanding of the character I would've been fucking thrilled if what we got was more akin to the Timm/Dini version.

Because, and this is the part I think you may be cherry picking to avoid admitting, not all TAS episodes were red sky ones. A great many of them were light, and they used that lightness a the basis and went darker from there. Snyder (assuming he's trying to move at all, which I have a hard enough time believing) does the opposite. He's trying to start morose and move toward light; that's a MUCH harder transition to make, almost impossible.


It's not that people hate being faithful to Superman or even that they hate deconstructions of Supeman. You just have to provide a strong base before doing that. It's like Snyder is building a book case, starting on step five, and wondering why the thing keeps falling over when he puts weight on it.

>>84213488
"Grimdark" is like "edgy." It means anything these days because of how often it's thrown around, with the very fact that we're calling BvS "grimdark" being an example.

You'll have to be more specific if your definition of grimdark extends beyond "people die in this work."

>>84213498
"Prove me wrong" isn't a valid argument. You have the burden of proof.

>>84213151
>But lol nope, he got robot legs now.

Why wouldn't he get a robot /something/? That's the least valid grip. The entire basis of Tony's character is augmenting himself through robot somethings.

If he sat by Rodney in a hospital bed or a wheel chair you'd be here saying, "Wait. Why didn't that guy just make him fucking robot legs?"

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>>84213508
That's Steppenwolf, Darkseid's general. He's gonna be the big bad in Justice League

>>84212412
The worst thing about Civil War is it didn't lived up to it's title. There is barely any 'civil war' in it. Might as well rename it to 'bro fight'.

>>84213584

The original burden of prof is on the one who disagrees.

Who has yet to provide proof.

So, disprove it.

The fact that there isn't more than one movie to it. There's far too many broad strokes that don't take any future property into account apart from the Justice League and Batman. Jimmy Olsen dead, Lex Luthor an unconscionable criminal with no hope for a future, absolutely no info dump when they set up multiple opportunities with the ship and the studying of the bat, and piss poor world building. The Batman stuff is the only thing that seemed to not be as mucked up by all these faults, and is very aware that there is a history of the character, and that there might be a future; but it still falls short because it's not being explained well, it's more interesting than what we have to sit through, and there isn't any real indication that this is a Batman that's far gone outside of a throwaway line, and certainly nothing in the realm of what he used to be like to juxtapose it and make it more reasonable.

They're blowing it like a typical superhero flick that's supposed to have a couple of sequels until it's shelved and rebooted. It was fun to watch the first time around, but seeing it a second time made me realize that no matter what, the Superman parts were terrible, and the setups for the Justice League were horribly heavy handed. I still loved the Batman parts. Seriously great stuff. All the too dark complaints, I wonder if they missed the Alfred bit talking about extremes, and the Jason Todd costume? I'm excited to see Batflecks own movie; at least if it's bad, Kevin Smith won't stop giving him shit. Total batfag here, so that's probably why, but if not for that, I wouldn't even bother with anything to do with it.

tl;dr- Greed. Poor decisions. A concentrated lack of Interest from Eisenberg. Recklessness. >2016 Superhero franchise. Time. Boring. Foggy.

>>84213637

> "I have a pet dragon in my closet."
> "No you don't."
> "Prove I don't."

Kill yourself retard

>>84213690

Still not an argument faggot.

>>84213605
Awesome thanks

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>>84213699

>>84213690
So.. Do you have a pet dragon in your closet?
how much does it eat
why the closet? does it prefer the cool darkness than the bright outsides?

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>>84213760

>>84211354
yeah, but when you have people argue that BvS is some kind of big artistic achievement, you gotta point it out. its like they actively ignore that the movie is WB playing catch up, and that goes against Zack Snyder's "intentions" of "deconstructing" the characters.

I mean people like me who like the Marvel movies don't kid themselves in thinking those are high art

>>84213699
Burden of proof is on those who make assertions.

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>>84213779

>>84213818

And the original post was a assertion.>>84212743

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>>84213832

>>84213002
Lol no.

>>84213843
No the posts I quoted were the original assertions.
>Snyder hates the characters
>Prove it
>NO YOU DISPROVE IT

>>84213151
I mean, stuff like spiderman getting his suit and Black Panther are consequences. how are those not consequential?

I mean I hope the consequences stick, Ill agree AoU lacked because it ignored most of Winter Soldier's big changes or just downplayed them, like Shield disbanding

Is it weird that I like BvS even though as a whole I'm fully aware it's terrible? For some reason I'm more forgiving to it than say Fanfourstic or ASM2. But yeah they need to drop Snyder and make some serious changes

>>84213199
>Examples. Go on.
? go watch the movie numnuts
>That's not even a bad thing. If something's above average, that's a strength.
No, it really isnt, it means its still shit just a slight bit less shit.
>Cap and all his friends are fugitives hiding in Wakanda
Film end with tony and Steve being "freinds" again, Rhodey can walk fine thanks to robot legs, making his entire arc pointless to the film and the avengers will exist in the next avengers film.
>To you maybe
Thats only three, out of a large cast. The only ones that really made snese other than that were witch, hawkeye, caps 2 and vision.

Starks motivation didn't even make sense in reflection to his character growth from previous entries.

>>84213212
threads still young enough to be in archives, go look it up pleb

>>84213966
I don't hate ASM2 as much as others, so I get what youre saying about BvS. I find it more boring for me than god awful. Fant4stic was just pure garbage, that was much worse than ASM2 and BvS.

I just saw the movie recently but I still can't believe Snyder doubled down on the religious allegory. I can't think of a single reviewer or person I've met who actually liked that element in Man of Steel.

>>84214013

Already did, not one intelligent counter, pleb.

>>84213259
they nearly always post the same shit, out of context or claim to have read it without having ever read the image they were using. They really dont have any idea what they're talking about.

>>84213295
it wasnt really.

Try harder, your post war poor.

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Why couldn't BvS be this deep?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACL8nKOUoxk&index=125&list=WL

>>84213985
Stark at this point is pretty tired out, probably like RDJ in real life. I bought his character and I liked that he was more subdued than the previous movies.

>>84213513
good for you pointless opinion smurf

>>84214067

Fantastic analysis. Will DC ever get to this level?

>>84213879
>that scene where Batman just crushes some dudes with the Batmobile

>>84213598
it means his entire character in the film was a mcguffin that barely counted as a mcguffin as no point of relevance came from it other to force drama.

>>84214032
if you did you wouldnt be lying

>>84211132

better than most mcu movies. 7.5/10

deal with mouseketeers

>>84214141

Sounds more like you are lying to yourself.

>>84214082
Stark was the only good thing in it, bar crossbones probably having the most comic accurate costume for an mcu villain ever (bar loki and skull)

>>84211132
>Superman was big fucking bore
>Lex was a terrible character and villain
>The plot was a clumsy mess
>and Doomsday's creation made no sense
It was watchable but 5/10 is the best I can do.

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>>84214161
>deal with mouseketeers
>deal

>>84214097
why would they lower themselves?>>84214166

>>84214166
Ok anon, good to know your just trolling

>>84214214
>Still no counter argument.

This is why no one will ever take dcucks seriously.

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>>84214042
As opposed to just screaming "you don't understand it!" over and over again with no evidence whatsoever beyond stale /tv/ kino memes?
Again, if Snyder is so brilliant and loves the characters and is so faithful to them, all you gotta do is post an image that supports it instead of going "Nobody understand it but me!"

>>84214232
neither did you kid

>>84214281
this anon actually posted some good examples>>84212208, i would add the bryne stuffand late 80's JL

>>84214336

The original argument is in the pic you don't have a counter for.>>84212673


Try again, child.

>>84213340
>No one can be so stupid to like this movie, right?

a lot of people like the ultimate cut.

>>84214067
This is a surprisingly good watch and it's sad it'll be ignored and disregarded.

>>84214419
>a lot of people

Not really

>>84214184
Hulk deserves better. It was nowhere near as bad as Thor 2.

A few weeks ago my friend and I were discussing how they should have split the DCEU up because it's very clear that this film should have occurred way later in its own continuity. I think we established it as
>Superman film: fights Zod, doesn't destroy all of Metropolis, is generally seen as a hero afterward but there are concerns about how much power one man can possess and whether we should be indebted or afraid
>Batman film: Establishes this incarnation of the character, has been operating for awhile, Dick has already assumed the title of Nightwing, we meet Jason only near the end of the film. Hasn't been broken (yet) so his brutality is in check.
>Batman and Superman: The World's Finest -- woo, team up movie time. Here's where we first get our Lex Luthor and learn why he wants to get rid of Superman. Leads to a lot of punching and funtimes had by all. Superman and Bats decide they work well together, and while Batman isn't so into the idea, Superman begins to draw up ideas for a group effort -- some kind of Justice League.
Now I imagine other movies would have been occurring around these ones, so let's just throw Justice League right here. At the end of that one, Batman continues to work alone and only occasionally throws his assistance in.
>Batman film 2: Shit goes down, Jason gets killed, Batman takes a turn for the psychologically unstable
>Superman film 2: Shit goes down, Metropolis gets smashed, people die, Superman does his best but can't save everyone, people begin to doubt how safe we are in the presence of a dude who could crush us all if he really felt like it
>Batman v Superman: Batman is fucking pissed, Superman is dangerous as fuck, Luthor was right all along, time to kill a Kryptonian.
Now I imagine that this would take place after Justice League, so other members would be involved here as well, but it's mostly concerned with whether or not Superman, and the League as a whole really, needs a serious check on itself.

>>84214432

That's mainly because everyone knows Civil War is a great film. This is easily seen by the fact fans don't need to spam and try to convince people it's good, it is known. There is nothing to argue about.

Like 'Heat' everyone knows it's great.

>>84214432

Marvel has done a damn good job building the universe.

>>84214383
So post them.
Seriously. Post them, give your analysis, account for the context, and prove your hypothesis as to why Snyder's pulling from them and making it work.

"Go read Byrne" isn't enough. Because the thing is, I read Byrne. Byrne's man of steel contextualizes things in a way that Snyder absolutely fails to do. You guys lean on that one panel of him killing Zod and expect us to ignore the near dozen issues before that building the character. Context matters

The absolute vitrol of people defending this movie speaks volumes.
Snyder is incapable of putting together a competent film in less than 3 hours and change, and goyer doesn't write characters who are in any way similar to their characterizations in the comics, which makes the inter character contrasts and dynamics that people care about meaningless in the films.
It's not a good movie, but it has some good style.

>>84211132
Kek. There was a poll on here awhile ago and overwhelming the people over 25 enjoyed it and people under 25 didn't.

It's telling how much Marvel's brainwashing has set in.

>>84214539
>Snyder is incapable of putting together a competent film in less than 3 hours and change
Prove it.
>goyer doesn't write characters who are in any way similar to their characterizations in the comics
Prove it.

>>84214498
>That's mainly because everyone knows Civil War is a great film.

This is why you idiots can't be taken seriously.

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>>84214632
>Prove it.

>>84214389
there wasnt even an argument you fucking pleb it was a statement.

>>84214483

fuck off

>>84214529
i havent even read the zodd issue, but you keep saying post it when practically everyone uses cbr files. Now either educate yourself or stop wining, the characters fucking ancient and has been written in many differing ways.

>>84214792
>An argument that destroyed a shitty flick doesn't count

wew lad, no wonder everyone laughs at dcucks.

>>84214522

You have to be 18 or older to post here.

>>84214522

I don't know about that, Civil War feels so disconnected from the other Avengers movies and overall the movies feel so disconnected from each other and most of them are pretty mediocre.

>>84214837
Than report yourself and be on your way.

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>>84214539

> complaining about vitriol
> on 4chan

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How in the fuck
Explain this, BvSfags

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>>84214828
>but you keep saying post it when practically everyone uses cbr files.
...so unzip the cbr and post the jpg within. Stop going >The characters have been written in different ways! Everything Snyder does have basis!
without evidence.

Because again, the people that are disagreeing with you have no problem finding pages to post to show that Snyder's full of shit. And all you can do is go "no but read them just trust me the proof is there!" like a goddamn broken record.

>>84211132
Didn't catch it in theaters and watched the ultimate cut for the first time the other day. I thought it was okay, especially by superhero movie standards. The most glaring flaw for me was that no one talked like human beings, especially noticeable in the first act. Could've done less metaing and put in more humanizing scenes. Overall the hate seems a little overblown.

I'm guessing part of it is because the characters are popular enough that even the mainstream audience have their own idea of how they're supposed to be. Personally don't think there's anything wrong with re-interpretation but I can see people being upset about it. WB might run into the same problem with the Joker in Suicide Squad and possibly Wonder Woman. The MCU using mostly mainstream literal whos might strangely enough be an advantage for them.

>>84214879
Anon, I came to 4chan via /pol/, vitriol doesn't bother me. But, if the automatic response to criticism of your pet movie is
>n-no fuck you man! You'd like my favorite movie more if you didn't have a small dick!
Maybe you just don't actually have a rebuttal.

>>84214676
That's not proof.

>>84214892
I'm not a BvS fag and I can explain it just fine.
This IS the best role of Eisenberg's career, because Eisenberg always plays smarmy stuttering autistic nerds. His Lex is just a distillation and amplification of the same role he has in literally every other movie he's ever done. So in that sense, it is his best performance.

>>84214961

> complains about vitrial
> "N-no! I'm from /pol/! See I'm an internet tough guy too!"

Embarrassing

>>84214892
Is he referring to Luthor in jail getting confronted by Batman after his hair is cut? That is a pretty great scene.

>>84214969

I didn't like him at fist but loved him from the moment he brought Superman down to his knees, I feel like we don't see those moments a lot in cape movies, bringing a hero down not through power but with such a simple yet malicious method and then superman of all heroes, closest to his canon powerlevel.

>>84213151
Tony's involvement in AoU wasnt ignored... it was his driving motivation for Civil War.

>>84214835
I wasnt talking about that you illiterate pleb.

>>84214950
not him but god damn, you are using some shitty comics as examples.

>>84215059
I liked it too, but I also enjoyed Lex from the beginning. Seeing it again gave me more of an appreciation for the way he acts though. Always twitching when reminded of his father.

>>84214184
DC has more green than the Hulk.

>>84214950
i didnt know you could do that, regardless im not doing that just for you. Go to kat, download the titles listed and there you go and im not saying that its exactly alike, but simply that the character has been written in a similar way before. You dont think he's bin written the same way for all these years do ya?

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>>84212442

>>84212062
>when out of all the people killed in his fights he was only responsible for two death maximum
The Batmobile chase sequence.

The Batjet when he literally fired a chaingun into 3 cars in a row full of people.

Good Scenes

>Cop investigating house with the human trafficker
>Lex taunting superman with his mother
>Batman rescuing Martha

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>>84215411
All those and I thought the WW fighting Doomsday was pretty cool even though it looks like a video game/CGI-fest/however you want to describe it.

Reminded me of Faora's action scenes in MoS.

>>84215401
my mistake, forgot the chase, but even then it was the fault of the goons, in the warehosue only two bodies are seen after the chaingunbit

>>84213557
No he said people in costumes talking are hard to take seriously when thats been happening as long as comics have been around

>>84215411
What really ducking bugs me is that a lot of Lex's lines were written very well. It's Jesse's fucking delivery that ruins it all.

It's insulting that the role of Lex Luthor was reduced to a bone to throw at Eisenburg cause Zach didn't think the role of Jimmy Olsen was too small for him, which is also pretty lame cause of someone straight up did Jimmy Olsen, Eisenberg would've been a good choice.

>>84214892
>tabs
I thought it was a lost art

>>84215312
>backpedaling
I'm not that anon you've been arguing with, but do you have any idea how bad you're making yourself look at this point?

>>84215644
For that one scene.

So is it Jesse's deliver directed by Snyder, or is it just Jesse entirely? I haven't seen him in much and I'm trying to figure if under different direction he could have been better. Regardless he was shit. He reminded me more of Riddler or Mad Hatter than Lex. The entire time I was thinking that this fucking spaz is supposed to be the arch of Superman

so, is it normal for marketers to astroturf /co/ BvS threads, and pretend that the movie is good? or is it just this one?

>>84215710
>backpedaling
where?

>>84216037
>im not saying that its exactly alike, but simply that the character has been written in a similar way before. You dont think he's bin written the same way for all these years do ya?

>>84211132
Where can I find the ultimate cut? Yi fy throws nothing

>>84216121
I'll give you the ultimate cut

With my knife

:^)

>>84216202
Oh shit lol

>CA:CW
>Helmut uses Tony's Guilt and Steve's willingness to protect his best friend as a wedge to drive the avengers apart

>BVSDOJUE
>Lex's entire plan depends on the hope that Batman and Superman don't talk to each other and that Lois doesn't tell Clark that she found out who is setting him up

>>84216202
If you are a DCuck, you don't even need a knife. You have all the edge in the world.

So let's say that Luthor's plan succeeds, and that Doomsday actually manages to kill batman and superman.

If that happens, what the fuck was Luthor's master plan to take Doomsday down in their place? What would stop him from destroying the whole world at that point?

>>84216288
>Luthor wants to kill supes
>But what would doomsday do afterwards?
>Why didn't Luthor account for something that isn't relevant to his plan?

>>84216531
>Doomsday casually walking over and murdering you (and the whole city around you at the same time) after killing Superman isn't a factor in your plan
t. retard

>>84216288
"HAHAHA I WIN! I WAS RIGHT! POWER ISN'T INNOCENT!"

And then he dies.

>>84214170
How did Doomsday's creation not make sense?

>>84216818
How did Lex know the Kryptonian ship would be able to make a giant monster that would want to fight superman and not roll over and die or just try to suck itself off?

This was Lex's backup plan. But it doesn't even happen till late in the movie, while his main plan happens between MoS and BvS

>>84217053
He literally told the ship to teach him a whole bunch of shit about Krypton.

>>84217299
again, this is after he sets up the events for Batman to fight Superman.

he doesn't plan for Batman to get Kryptonite

So Lex's plan for most of the movie is to make Batman fight Superman, hoping a regular human will somehow kill Superman. He has no reason to assume this.

He knows Superman will return pissed off, wanting his mother back.

This is his plan before he luckily discovers the ship can make monsters.

Did the ship know the genetic abomination would want to fight superman?

Nothing can save emo superman.

Nothing can save batman of murder.

Nothing can save autistic lex.

Nothing can save skinny Wonder Woman.

Nothing can save homeless flash.

Nothing can save us from Zach Snyder and his cunt wife.

>>84217519
ben affleck can save us

Can some big guy detail new scenes?

>>84214996
not an argument

>>84214666
because they aren't retarded?

>>84211132
A lot of things went right, actually.

What went wrong was that they crammed 10 irl-years worth of story into a 2 hour movie because Marvel beat them to it.

>>84218105
>they crammed 10 irl-years worth of story into a 2 hour movie

People say that this is a bad thing, but personally I loved it. So much content in so little time, so much bang for my buck. It's just going to be disappointing and feel like theft when I see other movies now.

>>84214458
Still not entirely sure why people dislike Thor 2 so much, I think the most annoying parts were some of the awkward cuts back to Earth and sort of forced humor.

Are the DCCU comics actually canon or are they like the MCU comics where nobody gives a fuck about them?

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>>84211132
>this entire thread

>>84219614
Thread is just a bunch of babbies who have become too accustomed to generic turn-off-your-brain MCU flicks

>>84220130
This

>>84213573
Nah, Anon's on point. Grimdark as a term specifically comes from Warhammer 40,000. "In the Grim Darkness of the far future..." and has always been used to describe X-ploitational grimness of a setting. Warhammer 40k is a setting made as a parody that eventually took itself too seriously and became an un-self-aware satire. Grimdark is specifically edgy bullshit written to cater to teenagers. Superman drowning in bones is the most grimdark bullshit ever.

Capemovies are going through a second 90s.

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>>84211154
/thread

Also the script itself was an utter fucking mess. Lex and Batman are given multiple reasons to hate Superman and they're all paper thin.

>>84211132
bad writing, bad script, bad production values.

movie was a irredeemable mess.

>>84223361
>still memeing with this quote

lel

>>84223688
Would you prefer the Bats raped one?

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There was nothing grimdark about BvS Superman.

Superman smiled several times;
Superman felt conflicted and heat-broken when appropriate;
Superman gave up on being Superman thinking THIS WOULD HELP during a moment of weakness;
Superman felt terribly conflicted and unsure of himself when forced to fight Batman;
Superman tried to reason with Superman and dismantle him when Batman attacked;
Superman pleaded with Batman even when near death;
Superman sacrificed himself to end Doomsday not only once, but twice.

So i don't understand when people say that this Superman was grimdark, that this Superman was pure 90's bullshit, that this Superman was mopey or a jerk.

>>84223838
Yes, you clearly have difficulty understanding readily apparent things.
I'm sorry, man.

>>84216202

Subtle kek.

>>84223808
>taking quotes out of context in order to further an agenda

A journalist, are you?

>>84223989
Dude sweet response! You sure showed him with your dank meme! What an upvoteable post. How do I give you reddit gold?

>>84224346
How is it out of context? Quote the entire thing yourself, what context is there that Bats should be raped on the big screen?

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>Added blood in the Batman fight scene
>That one guy's head explodes against the wall after the crate hits him
>Blood splatter isn't even there in the next shot

They had to ruin the best scene...

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Why people have so much trouble understanding Lex motives and plans?

Lex had a weird relationship with his late father, who put off an image of a good father and persecuted minority that rose up to power with good honest hardworking, but who was really a huge cunt that abused him and did tons of shady shit.
Because of this Lex thought that people with power can be good and good people have no power, and the only way one can attain power is through knowledge and willingness to do anything. He also wanted to have power over everyone.

This is why he hated Superman, because he thought Superman was a fraud, with his benevolent god act., thus wanting to expose and kill Superman. You can say that Lex viewed a lot of his father in Superman.

Lex plans were pretty in your face and simple, although he created new plans throughout the movie.

The first one was damaging Superman's reputation, giving the committee on Superman at congress someone they could work with, and then with their help have the means to study Krypton, kill Superman and create an anti-meta-human think-thank.

When the female senator blocked the shipping of the kryptonite, opposing him, he decided to murder her using the wheelchair dude, further damaging Superman's repurtation and egging Batman into fighting Superman with the illegally shipped and stolen kryptonite.

But Lex had no faith in Batman. None. He thought that Superman would kill Batman, coming with his head on hands and then be killed by Doomsday, thus finally exposing and killing Superman for good. The problem was that Batman and Superman worked together. If that hadn't happened he would have probably blamed Batman/Bruce Wayne for everything.

Lex was also surprised about Doomsday trying to hit him. He thought he'd be able to control Doomsday, when that happened he went desperate and started to study the kryptonian archives for anything that could give a modicum of power, thus Darkseid.

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Haven't seen BvS but I just watched MoS and the first hour entirely ruined a stupid decent action movie.

I actually laughed out loud multiple times at how fucking stupid it was, holy shit.

Suicide Squad will save DC/Warner.

>>84225042

I think that the movie's problem is that Lex had more than a single plan and that confused the audience. Just look at this thread.

If Lex had a single and simple plan throughout the whole movie there would be far less posts questioning his acts or reason to be.

>>84211132
It was a 6/10 movie before, now it's a solid 7/10.

Blunder of the century.

>>84225206
Is it wise to set expectations so high?

>>84225263
It's more realistic for someone to change plans based on circumstances rather than the "I knew all along that you would do this!" when things go awry. I personally enjoyed the multi-layered plans.

>>84225042

All of these things weren't in the movie.

Each of the things written here are assumptions made about brief statements so short they could mean literally anything.

>Lex could have been talking out of his ass about his father. Lex was certainly deluded about a lot of stuff. His father could have been awesome. Maybe once he took Lex's Xbox away.

>>84225411
>>84225263

I also liked the multiple plans aiming to the same, the proble is that Snyder did fail to make that clear to the plebs.

>>84225422
How are they assumptions? They were all literally in the movie. Where's your evidence to the contrary?

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>this whole thread
far worse than Man of Steel threads

>>84225422

>All of these things weren't in the movie.

They were, dude.

The committee only gained power because of the African country massacre that was pinned on Superman and the actress Lex hired that was willingly to testify against Superman, which created enough media buzz that Lex hoped he could use to twist the senators into giving him access to everything related to Superman.

But when the female senator opposed him, he decided to kill the black female actress to cover his tracks and hire the wheelchair dude to create another hearing where he could bomb the shit out of the capitol killing the female senator and damaging further Superman's reputation. He also used the wheelchair dude and the bombing to egg Batman against Superman, prompting Batman to steal the illegally shipped kryptonite.

The problem was that Superman hung up his cape after the bombing and no one could localize him, so he kidnapped Superman's mother and Lois, who had started to snoop around - not that she could prove any of this because someone up high was helping Lex and no one in the army wanted to touch Lex - and use Superman's mom to force Superman into killing Batman.

Lex intention then was for Superman to kill Batman, exposing him as a fraud, and then kill him with Doomsday, which he thought he could control.

>>84225263
The problem isn't that it's a multi stage plan, the problem lies in the fact that the main character are fucking morons to make it work. Lets Bats letters for example. Why is it that seeing those letter triggers Bats so hard? Now I Know what you're thinking.
>Muh family.
Alright fine, but Why? Why isn't the first question Bats is asking is who is sending these? This question should've rose to the top of the mountain when he got the "You let your family die." letter. But nope the first thing Bats thinks about is to kill Supes, why? Supes had nothing to with his parents death, so any rational thought shouldn't have connected him with a death that happen years ago. Not only that, Bats is a world class detective with a secret identity to keep up. Why isn't he more worried about the anonymous letters being mailed to his office, with information that only Gotham should have? I could keep going on how stupid Lex's plan was, but I hope I don't have to.

>>84225422

Even if Lex's father had been a swell guy, Lex still thought that power can't be innocent, which is why he wanted to expose Superman as a fraud and kill him.

>>84225422
all of this was in the movie. All these piece were laid out in Lex's scenes and you can come to this conclusion if you just think a little. The biggest problem with BvS is it really went in a direction people were not ready for and frankly didn't want with the tone Marvel's films were setting. BvS has its flaws but mostly people were not ready for a serious Superhero movie that actually examined how the presence of someone like Superman would affect the world, and in a way used the citizen's reactions as a metaphor for how the general public views Superman. If Superman saves everyone with a smile it'll be seen as unrealistic and boring. If he fails, reacts with anger etc. It's seen as an insult to the character. The fact is the general public doesn't really like Superman anymore. If people really wanted a colorful, happy Superman movie then Superman Returns wouldn't have flopped.

This movie really has a lot of depth that people just gloss over and if you just think about what was going on in the film motivations and plans become very clear.

Add all this to the awful theatrical cut and it becomes obvious why the general public did not like Bvs. I guarantee in a few years or even a decade from now people will look back on this film, and Man of Steel, fondly

>>84225804

>Lets Bats letters for example. Why is it that seeing those letter triggers Bats so hard? Now I Know what you're thinking.

Batman got those letter almost in the final stages of his own mission. He had already decided to kill Superman for his own reasons. Lex only tried to better control the how and when.

Batman had lost faith in himself and in his purpose. 20 years in Gotham fighting and nothing had changed. He only managed to bring pain and death to those around him. So Superman should up basically doing the same shit as him and bringing way more pain and death to those around, including the Wayne's employees that Batman felt guilty for not being able to keep them safe, and that made Batman feel even more powerless and disillusioned with the mission. Batman pretty much projected his own failings unto Superman. His talk with Alfred showed that.

So after the bombing and letters that kind of reasoning only got more stronger and absolute.

>>84225804
>Why isn't the first question Bats is asking is who is sending these?

They flat out say Wallace was sending the checks back.

The Bruce wayne in this movie struggled heavily with his failures. He failed to save his parents, he failed to save Robin, he failed to clean up Gotham.
>"Criminals are like weeds, pull one out another takes its place"
He's a man who has been fighting crime for decades, is still seen as mostly an urban legend skulking in the dark and views his career as a failure
>"this may be the only thing I ever do that matters"

Then comes Superman who, despite saving the world, brought massive destruction and a heavy death toll with him and its clear how
Bruce views Superman, the same way Lex does, as an all powerful monster that will one day take them over simply because he can.

There are many parallels between Lex and Bruce's ideals and motivations and understanding one character helps you understand the other. In fact the two can be seen as two sides of the same coin.

>>84225804

>This question should've rose to the top of the mountain when he got the "You let your family die." letter. But nope the first thing Bats thinks about is to kill Supes, why? Supes had nothing to with his parents death, so any rational thought shouldn't have connected him with a death that happen years ago.

Wait, are you serious? Bruce thought that Wallace Keefer meant the Wayne Tower's employees, not Bruce's parents.

It's a very common thing to employers to see people that work for him and that he's responsible for as his family. Lot's of companies try to push this view that the entire workplace is a big happy productive family.

>>84226019
>>84225967
Yes okay, Bruce is a flawed and tried old Bat. But it doesn't excuse the fact that the first question he should've asked is who is sending these, and how does anyone, but a select few know about this. That along with the bombing happening around the same time should've tip him off that something was going on.

>Wait, are you serious? Bruce thought that Wallace Keefer meant the Wayne Tower's employees, not Bruce's parents.
No the letters were talking about Bruce's parents, it's why he got so triggered when he reads the letter. Hell Lex even brags about this in his God is all powerful, then can't be all good speech.

>>84226223

Dude, the most likely scenario is that Wallace Keefe gave back all the returned checks complaining that Bruce failed to protect the employees right before plotting his suicide against Superman, who he also blamed for the same shit.

>>84226223

The family bit reminded Bruce of his own parents, yes, and that was the intention, but the check was about the employees. It just was perfect for both.

>>84225821

>I guarantee in a few years or even a decade from now people will look back on this film, and Man of Steel, fondly

I believe this too.

>>84211132
Man of Steel ruined superman's character and they used it as a foundation.

>>84211132
Why did Lex quote Lolita when talking to Lois at the top of the building? I never read or saw that, and Snyder does all his references for a reason, so I was just wondering.

>>84225821
no one liked superman because he was written to be a retard and there isn't anything deep about it.

>>84226464
Prove it.

>>84226525
Zack pls leave. We've already had this discussion.

>>84211132
You're just grasping, nigga.

Anyways, third act still weak.

>not muh

>>84226570
That's not proof.

>>84225137

I only have two complaints about Man of Steel: >how the fisherman in the first scene could tackle Clark when a cage was going to fall on him?, he needs to focus to have his powers or something?
>stop, invincible son!

All the destruction of Metropolis wasn't Supes fault, and he didn't had other choice than killing Zod to stop him. The complaint about Superman not smiling is also dumb, he smiles when he needs to, like at the final scene, is he supposed to look like a fucking hyena all the time?.

>>84226624
If someone were to ask you to prove that the sky is blue would you take him outside or tell to stop acting like a retard?

>>84226647
>how the fisherman in the first scene could tackle Clark when a cage was going to fall on him?

? Durability doesn't mean high gravity. You can throw a diamond, can't you? It's not like Clark was bracing himself to prevent being pushed.

>stop, invincible son!
How would Pa Kent know that Clark could tank a tornado? All he's shown so far is strength and vision powers.

I have still one question about the movie: what was so hi-tech about the Lex Corp metal for the bullets and the wheelchair?.

I think that the bullet wounds seem to look like Superman's heat vision rays wounds during an autopsy, but that's just my headcannon.

>>84226737
t, Zack Snyder

>>84226663
lol

Look buddy, if you can't prove it just admit it. It's okay to make mistakes.

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>have GREAT source material
>completely ignore it and create a new story
>the story is utter shit compared to the original material
>copy the final fight but change the ending to be the most retarded thing possible
>MUH MARTHA
>literally only had to copy the comic word for word to produce an A+ movie
>fail at that

Why did they do this? Why did they insist on making Superman an insufferable fuckwit?

>>84226823
Nah, it was a good movie. The Martha scene works if you're not a sociopath or an autist.

>>84211132
I watched this. Its like 90% literally nothing, and 10% actual super hero shit.

It felt like batman and superman just happened to be in a lex luthor movie. I felt like the side characters mattered more than they did.

Did anyone else feel that way for the first like, three quarters of it?

>>84226803
Why should I explain the obvious to you?

>>84226737

Yeah, but what about the asshole trucker at the bar?, he couldn't move Clark a bit when he pushed him (impliyng he has both: durability and high gravity). That's the thing that confuse me, like he need to be focus to have super strenght.

>>84226866
Why didn't they say mom?

>>84226866
You're fucking stupid. Bruce had all the hatred in the world to destroy Superman until he said "Martha" which is the same name as Bruce's mother. Then he is INSTANTLY Superman's friend. What kind of reasoning is that? And who the fuck refers to their mother by their first name. Why didn't he say "Save my mother"? The entire thing makes no sense and Batman should have finished him off.

>>84226878
Clark braced himself against the trucker.

>>84226893
>>84226903
Psychological manipulation by Superman. They didn't "instantly become friends." Batman agreed to help Superman as a penance for nearly murdering him. It's the least he could do. They only became friends later.

>>84226952
superman doesn't know who batman really is, retard.

>>84226952
Superman didn't use his x-ray vision on Batman. And yes they became instant buddies. When Batman saves Martha he says he's a friend of her son.

>>84226952
>H I D D E N M E A N I N G S
stop this meme, it's not too smart for anybody, its shit

>>84211132
>What went wrong
Not enough memes and marketing to convince the general public it was a good film before they watched it. Next time Warner should learn from Disney and blow the budget on ads and OOGA CHAKA.

>>84213598
>Rodney

>>84226315
>>84226339
So lets ignore the anonymous letters then huh. Even if you could play it off as a pissed off employee, then how does said employee know anything about Bruce the same way the letters seem to know? And why wasn't it written in his hand writing, but is instead written in red letters? You can't come up with a defense to just excuse the holes in Lex's plan because it plays off of how stupid the main characters are. Not only that, in the first half of the movie, Bruce is chasing some of Lex's goons because of the shady shit that his company was doing. Shouldn't this also, between the bombings, the letters, and the stealing of glowing green rocks, tip Bruce off that something is going down? There is too many "Whys?" for Lex's plan to work in any logical sense, so the only way it can work, is because the plot demands it.

Man, BvS really made it amazingly easy to see who the idiots out there are.

>>84226755

The army used Lex to help the rebels, as a private contractor, kinda like they did with the Siria thing, but Lex used that to fuck with Superman. So the army covered for Lex.

The rebels didn't had the resources to hire Lex's goons and the army didn't wanted to help Lois investigation.

>>84227427

They weren't anonymous letters, they were the returned checks Wayne Enterprises payed Wallace Keefe as compensation for what happened with him as a employee of the company. Wallace never cashed them and returned them with angry remarks (actually Lex), but for some reason the company only found them after Wallace suicidal bombing.

>how does said employee know anything about Bruce the same way the letters seem to know?

He worked for the man and everybody in Gotham knows about the Wayne murders, but even then Wallace (Lex) wasn't mentioning the Wayne's murders, but the Wayne Tower disaster that ended up with tons of Wayne's employees deaths and Wallace losing his legs. Lex just wrote the last returned check in a way ("YOU LET YOUR FAMILY DIE!") in a manner to anger Bruce by reminding of both failures: the death of his parents and the tower disaster.

I'm sorry, anon, but did you really watched the movie?

>>84226903

Right before that Bruce had bashed Superman's parents, probably thinking they were aliens too, so why would Superman plead for him to save another alien when he was about to kill Superman for not being a man?

Superman pleaded with Batman's vigilante side, asking him to save a random woman named Martha, because then maybe Batman would listen him. It was Lois who showed up after the confusing bit that explained to Batman that Martha was Superman's mom. Superman in no moment referred to Martha as his mother.

Come on, guys. Just use your minds a bit.

>>84214498
Comparing Civil War to Heat? Fucking comic nerds.

>>84226981
Clark calls him Bruce when they meet before the fight.

>>84226823
Copying DKR would make for a very weird movie. DKR is a tragedy of how far our wacky, fun, Adam-West-y Batman had fallen. How the grim future had crushed his hopes and dreams and forced him into such extreme situations. The fact that he's forced to fight his best friend is supposed to be heart-wrenching because of the contrast to how he was in "the good old days."

That contrast does not exist in the DCCU. Batamn has always existed as a "fallen" character in recent memory (ironically due to misinterpretations of what made DKR so good), and thus that personal tragedy has no basis.

Granted, I'm 100% certain that would have been a better movie than BvS, but it still would have felt weird to watch.

>>84226647
I felt like clark only had super strength when the story called for it, there were things he was supposed to do effortlessly or things that should've hurt him less then they actually did.

Which I don't really care about, it's a different superman from what I'm used to.

I don't care that he 'destroyed' anything or that he didn't smile.

The worst things about were his stupid piece of shit dad, the cringy as fuck 'gritty' scenes, the endless stream of nothing scenes, the stupid trucker scene where clark got revenge and no one heard a fucking truck being destroyed, the "............maybe", >stop, invincible son! it isn't even just that, you can make that work. it was obviously just
>he knows not to interfere
>dad is all wise
>this is supposed to come off naturally
It didn't, nothing was communicated other than.
>dad's an idiot
>he got himself killed over a dog
>we don't even know this dog
>there's a different dog later so that dog died anyway
>I can't get my baby out
>effortlessly picks up baby

>>84228477

The was a blizzard outside the bar and music were playing.

Jonathan Kent had faith in Clark's future, that he would find his destiny and do the right thing, but he feared that his son at that moment wasn't mature yet to handle the burden, like he was afraid that his son would be taken when younger as well.

He also wanted to teach Clark that even the life of a dog is important, because that's what pretty much we humans are for such a highly evolved species. So he wanted to show Clark with his sacrifice that any life has worth and should be protect.

Unfortunately Clark took the wrong lesson to heart. He thought that his father meant that the world would never be ready for him when in fact he wanted to tech that Clark at that time wasn't ready for the world, but he'd would some day. That's what Martha told Clark at the end of the movie. That Jonathan always had faith in his future. He just wanted to protect Clark until then.

Jonathan wasn't a clean cut perfect dad, but also isn't the monster /co/ posters like to paint him as.

>>84211132
Zack fundamentally doesn't understand any of these characters.
>Superman is all grim-dark
>Batman gives into his anger and is a vicious killer
>Lex is an irritating, twitchy man-child

>>84228477
I get that the point behind "...maybe" and >stop invincible son are supposed to be dad making a point of when to use power and when to hold back, it's a similar message to "With great power comes great responsibility" except nothing about the message was communicated well in this movie so it comes off as "don't save people(???)"

Comparing superman to jesus was stupid as hell too and also added some good cringe.

>>84228575
Three was no blizzard and there's a truck being destroyed right outside, you'd hear that over anything. and not just silently destroyed or like thrown far away, he jammed lumber through it.

Not communicated well enough through the movie, if it was there I needed to project onto the movie to find it.

Which also could be fine, the movie didn't communicate that well at all either, it just came off as him sacrificing himself for nothing and scaring his entire family, very pointlessly.
>I can't get my baby out
>effortlessly picks up baby
Also felt like a cheap ploy that the dad was being 'the hero'.

I don't think he was a monster, I just think he was stupid as hell and the movie couldn't get his point through.

>>84228669

>I get that the point behind "...maybe" and >stop invincible son are supposed to be dad making a point of when to use power and when to hold back

No, it was that at that point Clark wasn't mature enough to handle the consequences and responsibilities that would come of outing himself.

>>84228693
Again, not communicated well enough through the movie. Especially when '...maybe' was just thrown in there like pa wasn't sure what the fuck he actually wanted and there weren't any huge consequences to Clark actually saving all those kids..

>>84228719

Yeah, the "Maybe..." was thrown there to show that Pa didn't know what to answer and was conflicted about the whole thing. He scared to death of Clark exposing himself and the government coming down their asses to take Clark, but he also knew that what Clark did was right even if dangerous, because now they've to deal with one of the boy's mom actually like a religious fanatic raising the stinker about the situation and the kids commenting about it.

It was designed to show that Pa didn't really know what to do or say. You know, humanize the character.

>>84228638
>Batman gives into his anger and is a vicious killer

That's what happens I think when you see a flying god topple your entire building among others and killing most of your employees, if not crippling them.

>>84227000
>And yes they became instant buddies. When Batman saves Martha he says he's a friend of her son

He says that because of the cape. Even MARTHA said so. It wasn't instant. They became friends when Bats saved Superman's mom, not before.