How's Your Webcomic? /hyw/ #288

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.

>*-We also got a DISCORD CHAT going on,
Ask for an invite in the thread.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ0lck7oo4A

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

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Reposting yesterday's update in case anyone missed it. What do you guys think?

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Finished this page. Pretty happy with it, but might touch it up hen I get a chance.

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>>84076104
I think you guys need to be a bit more observant about your panel composition and how things flow. You have a diagonal slant across three subsequent panels, and Miss Melee starts in the center, falls to the left and...then kind of reorients back at the center? And her thoughts, the point of the third panel, the impact in the central panel of the page, are really small and understated.

A better way to visually guide your reader would be to place her more on the right hand side and slowly have her fall into the left corner, visually "cornering" her and showing her "slipping". It also leads to your next panel naturally.

It would also be a good idea to tighten the shot with each successive frame for a smooth transition between these three panels.

Pic related, shoddy edit to show you what I mean.

>>84076972
Yeah that looks pretty great. Centering people in panels is a general no-no. Especially if there's nothing else in the panel.

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is it okay to suck at drawing?

>>84077174
literally every artist sucked at drawing when they first started
why do people forget this

http://character-limit-blog.tumblr.com/

Can I asks you guys a question? Do you think I need to spic up my...webcomic page? Do i need to edit some thing to make it less of a eyesore?

>>84077174
Which pic did you draw

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Haven't posted in a very long while. Been busy with pulp stuff and other things. Getting started on working on the cover for the next installment of Jasper. How's everyone' morning so far?

>>84077088
>that looks pretty great.
It does!
>Centering people in panels is a general no-no
tell that to my OCD

>>84077229
it needs better navigation and a better archive page, but in general it's not too bad.
and you don't need to spic it up because it already is hahaha i think that's where you're from
>>84077247
son of a nimh, that's good stuff. i'm just enjoying reading the end of yesterday's thread. that was a hell of a neat thread.

>>84077239
neither but i'm not far off from the one on the right

>>84077174
Kind of. It's not shameful to suck - everyone had to start somewhere near the bottom, and nobody will ever be perfect - but it is an obstacle that needs to be overcome.

If you meant "do I need to have good art before posting here" then no.

>>84077266
>tell that to my OCD
Try to refocus it on the rule of thirds or the golden mean instead.

>>84077357
What computer programs do you use to draw?

I was working on a character height sheet for my webcomic, but it fell short of my expectations.

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>>84077786

What are some good ways to improve your dialogue? I recently shared some of my work with an editing friend of mine, and he made my lines sound so much better.

>>84077879
read buks

>>84077879
Lots of people will recommend lots of things but as a writer myself I honestly never really studied or researched or observed to get better at dialogue. I practiced, took critiques, and made sure to stick to keeping it succinct. My only real dialogue influence is Tim O'Brien's novel, The Things They Carried, but I stray pretty heavily from that in the dialogue department, I think. It's important to think about "what's the fewest amount of words I can use to say the same thing?" and "would people in the real world talk like this?" with every line of dialogue you write. I'd honestly say it's more attention to detail, practice and applying fundamentals than it is proper study to get good at dialogue.

>>84077979
>what's the fewest amount of words I can use to say the same thing?
I try to think more 'the most interesting number of words' but then my comic can easily be accused of being too wordy. I constantly think about how it should be in an audio format

>>84075099
Well, she had it on Dewd's drawing.

>>84075814
Oh phew I was worried having my scale go up to 8'4 was wasted effort.

>>84075879
Honestly the reference sheet you gave me wasn't that off in the scaling - you'd just forgotten to have everyone's heels on the same level.

>>84075886
Yeah, it's like Gumball.

>>84077979
>>84078056

I think my problem is my writing is kind of boring, but my editor friend made my lines more interesting, he even surprised me by using words I never would have thought of. He has 30 years of experiance, so I guess I can learn a lot. Are there like free sites where you can share dialogue for critique? Should I get a thesaurus as well or something?

>>84078161
i like to bust out the online thesaurus from time to time, especially for poetic stuff or rhymes, but usually it never reccommends the words i want for normal dialogue.
the tough part is knowing those words that are unique and indispensible. for those you just have to listen carefully to erudite people talking and pick out words you haven't thought of and go study their meaning

>>84078161
You could take your dialogue to /lit/ and have them crit you. I can't promise they'll be any good, though.

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>>84078161
For general writing purposes, it's good to have a thesaurus and a style guide (something like Strunk & White's Elements of Style, Chicago Manual of Style, or the New York Times Manual of Style and Usage).

There are also numerous specialized books on period/subculture slang, idioms, proverb collections, etc. I'm especially a fan of the 1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue. They usually make good pleasure reading, but sadly aren't utilized in thesaurus format. In 1811's case that means you can't just look for synonyms for asshole. Instead you've got to read through to F and find "fundament" without knowing that "fundament" was the word you were looking for.

The best thing to do is just read a lot, read out of your depth occasionally, and google the bits you don't understand or are curious about. Also if you've got an editor correcting your grammar, take some time to look up whatever "rules" he's correcting you on. You might as well know what a participle is.

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Reposting this because I never got an answer back from the anon who requested it on his thoughts

>>84079122
Not that anon, but I think "cruel" could be better. I don't know how you could make it better but it definitely feels like it's not living up to its potential.

And this is my autism but "high school" is two words.

Is it still possible to get popular on deviantart, or should I move my comic onto tumblr? It feels harder to find some smaller lesser known artists on tumblr than deviantart. And i dont like the interface. Where do you guys recommend starting out?

I was planning on getting a somewhat decent fanbase on deviantart than branching out to tumblr, twitter, and what not.

How do artists on tumblr and twitter even get popular?

>>84079408

DA is kind of a shitty place to try to get popular by way of comics, unless you already have a huge following.

It isn't really built for comics. I suppose you might get a following if you spam groups, and do tons of fanart to bait people into coming to your page, where they'll also see your comics, but I've not seen any of that work for too many comic-focused artists.

Are there any guyver-esque webcomics out there?

>>84079408
DA isn't worth it as far as I can tell.

On tumblr, I think getting popular is some combination of clever tag use, submitting material to tumblrs that reblog stuff in a given category, following/engaging with people, and so on.

>>84079408
dA's heyday has long passed

>>84079405
eh, highschool is one word 60 percent of the time. perhaps it shouldn't be, but it has definitely become a compound word like preschool

I'm fucking losing my mind over having to start my pages over and over from the smallest mistake /hyw/. Is there an easy way to condition myself to like drawing digitally so I can just ctrl-z my problems away, instead of having to redraw the same shit tens of times over from the very beginning?

>>84079638
could you learn how to digitally edit your physical drawings?
in any case you shouldnt have to start the whole thing over from one mistake, only the mistake part.

>>84079689
The problem is the mistake usually comes so far into doing the strip that its near impossible for me to fix without there being a lasting mark on the page.

>>84079467
>>84079481
>>84079533
okay. Fine. ill accept it.

What do you guys suggest I do then to start getting known on tumblr? On deviantart, I started getting views just by commenting on other people's work and joining clubs. Is there some way, I can find a bunch of brand new comics on tumblr, with no comments, so I can spread out and engage more? I feel like trying to talk with a tumblr celebrities is pointless.

>>84079481
>submitting material to tumblrs that reblog stuff in a given category
Is this just using the right tags? Or is there like a special thing I can submit things to?

I like to do writing more than comics though btw, and using wattpad. Dont kill me.

That's just the main problem I have with wattpad and tumblr, where can I find the brand new submitted stuff, instead of the 10k views pieces of work?

Should I also do twitter?

>>84079638
Why are you starting over and over again, Anon? Are you drawing directly with ink? Don't you know erasers exist? Ink erasers? Don't you know how to patch your drawings with paper cutouts or tracing paper?
There are a bunch of ways to save drawings on a traditional medium, you don't have to start a page from scratch every time you fuck up a little detail.

>>84079859

You can digitally undo anything. Even on physical pages/traditional media. It might take a little time to get it to look right, but far better than literally starting the same page over.

Worst case scenario, there's white out, and/or just drawing the bad panel over again. Even on professional comics, if you look at pre-scanned pages, you often see entire panels or areas whited out or covered up and redrawn.

It isn't the end of the world if you make some mistakes, short of literally knocking a bottle of ink over on the page, or something.

>>84079908
>Is there some way I can find a bunch of new/unknown comic artists to engage with.

This thread for starters. Any number of webcomic forums will also do.

>Or is there like a special thing I can submit things to?

By way of example, look up eatsleepdraw, artistsupport, and webcomixwatch. Poke around their respective "about" or "faq" sections. There are many blogs like these, and they work a little like groups on DA. You submit work to a spot that already has a bunch of eyeballs on it. With luck, some of those eyeballs are drawn your way.

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>>84079122
Nice start, and I know you're doing it for fun for an anon who asked.

Personally I think you're flipping the fonts too many times. I know what you're going for in the accentuations on words, but branding wise, for a logo, this is a poor decision.

Also, it's not really clear what the "punchline" is for the logo is. Now, this is something you have to ask the creator of the series, but is it "brutal" or is it "cruel" or is it "super-hero high school"?

The TMNT logo here is a good example, where the TMN part of it is understated giving the attention to the word "turtles," which is more important than them being teenaged, mutants, or ninjas.

If this were my logo project, I'd keep the "super brutal super cruel" font type the same, maybe make the words "brutal" and "cruel" ever so slightly bigger or bolded or colored differently to give them emphasis. I would then join the font faces of Super Hero Highschool together because the hook of the whole thing isn't that there are super heros, it isn't that there's a highschool, rather there's a highschool for superheros. Thus you join them.

That's just my 2 cents.

>>84080174
>this thread
>Feel when I did post here and got nothing
well, more reasons to end it.

But i'll try these group things I guess. I'm going to make sure to find lesser known people. This is bullshit that tumblr and wattpad only shows people with 10,000 notes.

>>84079908
>What do you guys suggest I do then to start getting known on tumblr?
Fanart. That's how my artist got to 800+ followers. Most of his fanart was /co/ drawthread deliveries.

>>84079476
or anything about teenagers with full-body scifi armor, either mechanical or biological. i'm kind of annoyed there isn't anything like that out there and i want to see if there is so i know where to improve and not retread the same mistakes.

>>84080452
miss melee writer is that you

>>84080365
I mean that if you're looking for people to engage with on tumblr, here we are. Everybody's got one.

If you're posting here looking for feedback and desperate for a (You), the way to do it is usually to ask for specific feedback (how's my dialogue? is this composition clear? which pose says "x" better?), show up often, and maybe chat with somebody in the same post so they'll feel obligated to look at and comment on your work in their response.

>>84080497
Not him but he isn't wrong. I got 900+ followers doing something similar. The tumblr for my comic has significantly less followers though (150)

I've got over a thousand followers for my porn. About 20 some for my webcomic. Would it be a good idea to advertise the webcomic to the porn people, even though it's not porn related?

>>84080618
never said he was wrong, I was just wondering since I followed Miss Melee's artist on tumblr and he posts a lot of /co/ drawthread deliveries

I'm well aware that fanart is how you get popular on sites like tumblr

>>84080667
I doubt a huge percentage of them will go for it, but can it hurt?

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>>84080452
well, i just drew fanart for fun recently. 0 fucks given. So, i don't know.
>>84080521
okay, im desperate.

https://www.tumblr.com/blog/theannoyingteenbro
https://www.wattpad.com/myworks/73260034-action-action-5
http://theannoyingteenbro.deviantart.com/art/Action-Action-5-ch-1-2-3-616922626

Here's my tumblr, wattpad, deviantart. No, you don't have to read it. but could you guys tell me what im doing wrong here? I don't know what to do, or where to comment on things. I feel like I wrote everything wrong, but im too embarrassed to post it on /lit/ because i know it's garbage. But im not sure how to even start getting good at writing stories. i write my stories like they're plays. I don't what to do. I felt like i was actually getting somewhere by increasing my page views on deviantart, but on tumblr and wattpad. I feel like im doing everything wrong.

I guess I could try doing what you said to write small things and ask for feedback.

So there. And since im already doing this, ill just say im DollSlaps. i used to post critiques here in october, and i made a comic that had a character called prokii i submitted here. im a senior in highschool too, so im not a starving artist and have some time to learn. I wish i actually had some online writing friends or be an apprentice of someone instead of anonymous people. Ive already shitposted on the /ic/ beginner thread for two years. I feel like I wasted my whole highschool life doing nothing, and ive gone through multiple phases that just left me hurting. The worst part is realizing im adult now and don't have time for mistakes and fun like when i was 14.

>>84080944
You have literally two pictures on any of your anythings. And honestly they're not very good.

I couldn't read wattpad without signing up. Not gonna do that.
For some reason your DA link wasn't showing anything for me either.
And you literally joined DA 3 weeks ago.

If you want people to look at stuff you made, you might consider making more stuff first.

>>84080944
Art is horrendous, can't even look at it

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>It's a "SpacePirate stays up all night drawing fucking water" page
Anyhow, I MIGHT not be able to work on my comic for the next two weeks (going to the US; I'm afraid the trip would kill 5-6 year old laptop)

I feel bad about not being able to update next week; I have the page of the next chapter, but haven't had the time to work on the map because of work. I might wip out a quick "map coming soon" image so that I can start updating this chapter the week after

>>84076632
I think the way you draw characters is great; they're super extressive and you clearly understand stylisation and the look of your pages would translate perfectly into a cartoon.
Though it triggers my autism how the line thickness doesn't vary between the roots (being thicker the closer they are to the "viewer") The pages don't look bad, mind you; just something that catches my eye

>>84081522
it looks really nice now. worth the effort.

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>>84081522
Also, damn, looks like I missed out on a fun event yesterday.
Funny enough I had also been thinking about a /hyw/ height chart this week after what the Mimi author said, it's great CGGuy made it. It's quite fun to see how everyone measures up

Mine are total midgets; Gwyn I'd say is 125 cm, while Richard is 10 cm shorter (counting the eyes, not the top)

>>84081567
Thanks; I GENERAL I think these pages do look nice, I just dread making them because I hate drawing water or most non-solid.

>>84080944
>well, i just drew fanart for fun recently. 0 fucks given
No offense, but that's because your art isn't any good. It's going to take a lot of practice before anyone's going to take note of your work.

The best advice I can give you right now is to forget about trying to advertise yourself and focus on practicing the basics of drawing until it's in your bones. You can do comics if you want (it's good practice for art and writing), but don't expect them to be successful, and don't make them long or complicated. You want to finish them.

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>tfw you spend all your time on your comic but no one reads it, triggering an existential crisis

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>>84081109
>>84081151
>>84082091
Well, if I went back and made several more attempts and spent more time looking at references i know i could do better. But, i'm not really concerned about the art. Plus, not to show off my ego, but there's a fair number of people who have a solid fanbase with mediocre art, and it wasn't even for fetishes.

What do I even write? A paragraph? I don't know what to write besides a long story. All I want to write is a story that feels like a japanese light novel. My most favorite cartoon every is haruhi suzumiya after all. That's my goal.

I was never too passionate about drawing. I want to be proud of coming up with a good story; not if i can draw the most kawaii waifu, or create the most epic reaction faces.

>>84082367
Then go write a book/short story.

>>84081522
I don't think anyone would mind if you just uploaded the first page of the chapter without the map. Maybe you could upload a placeholder page where the map would go so the comments won't get messed up when you add it later?

As for the page, it's really nice but I feel like the characters don't look at all wet when they hit the beach.
(and for the ultimate in pedantry, what's with the ribbed sole on Madie's shoe? I thought that was a modern thing)

>>84082073
I'll just add 'em real quick like.

>>84082406
I did
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17fHT-grXlXblYHqBcnl5lXiDAaImaX3GpEklLLZuvbE/edit?usp=sharing

I really need to find out how to upload the text directly in a tumblr post.

Besides, it's too long for anyone to actually read. I only got one person to read it. And he did it because I begged.

I know im being complicated. But i feel stuck. like, what do i even write that people will read? Has to be short, and i could put it on a tumblr post. Maybe im supposed to write short things, get some fans, and then after I have some fans, they would be willing to read longer things. But i don't what to write about that's only a paragraph long.

>>84082634
Have you tried going to forums for authors/writers? Participated in NaNoWriMo?
Other writers are probably more likely to give your stories a read when you're just starting out. In a comic thread, people kinda expect you to actually post comics.

>>84082634
It's just bad and generic. Plus, this isn't 1900s, writing alone is not enough anymore. Free entertainment is a click away for everyone with internet.

You can cite one or two outliers, but that's just you looking for excuses to staying mediocre.

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>>84082778
Sounds interesting. I guess I could try writing forums. Im going to start writing small things and submitting tumblr.
>>84082939
Maybe I could draw picture with. Okay, but here is my question though:

How do i write anime that's not cringe worthy weeb stuff? Like, i want to write anime like a harem or school life or milky holmes, but i don't know how to not make it cringy and cliche. And I don't want to write an anime parody or any otaku spoof.

>>84079408
DeviantART is horrenous for comics. If you want a following there it is best if you utilize your artistian skills on either fanart or original art to reel them in because they'll want to see more of your content.

>>84079908
>What do you guys suggest I do then to start getting known on tumblr?
Adapt to a schedule and continue to post daily: if you're going to post a original comic and if it is your first comic, post at least a few pages on start day to draw in an audience. Be sure to mix in fanart and original art too, on off-days when you're not posting your comic. Add in concept art and captions to accompany it.

>I feel like trying to talk with a tumblr celebrities is pointless
Then don't. Lurk their Tumblr, some do provide informative Q&A's on how they got started and how they became well-known in the community.

>Should I also use Twitter?
Twitter is a good communication platform, so yes. Another key to building an audience is through interaction with your fans and keeping them up to date.

>wattpad
You should opt for Wordpress.

>>84083041
>How do i write anime that's not cringe worthy weeb stuff?
You can't.

If you try to write anime, it will suck, always.

None of the the good stories they make in Japan try to be "anime", they're just trying to be good stories. Write YOUR take on harem or school life or whatever, as its own thing, without trying to imitate anything. If it ends up "anime", then so be it, but make it so that it ends up there because it's actually the best place for it to go.

>>84082939
This. Write a book, no one will read it. Make a comic, and lots of people will at least glance at it.

I'm a natural writer but had to learn to draw.

>>84082521
>what's with the ribbed sole

Oh, what I had INTENDED to draw was a worn-out sole; but you're right that it does look like an intentional pattern; just adding some vertical lines should give the better effect.

>>84082939
>writing alone is not enough anymore
Tell that to Chuck Tingle.

>>84083041
just remember what made good anime good and try to channel that same thing. because you know what made bad anime bad in recent years? 'trying to be anime like those other ones we like'.. and failing. it's not enough to aim at something good, you have to understand it. fully know what made it what it was

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Okay, here is a silent sequence except dor a few sfx, or which I may add more).
Someof it requires clean up and a couple of the pages might be extraneous.
What has gone before :
The last time we saw Talon and 176, it appeared they were killed in the explosion of a dimension portal.

1/5
> this page was orginally for mood. Does it add enough to warrent its existence or should I shit can it?

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>>84084156
2/5

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>>84084186
3/5
Do I redraw the last panel- or discard this page?

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>>84084230
>perspective is hard.

I want to leave the inside walls in p2 as they are, but know that I should not.

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>>84084267

>>84084156

I would try to add more detailing on the ground in the first two panels. Maybe at least some shadowing under/around the buildings, and the bones in the second panel. I like how the skeleton sort of wraps around the landscape, though. It's a simple, small thing, but adds believable depth.

I'd also try to maybe not put so many planets in the sky. 1, 2, or 3 look really, really cool, but a sky filled with giant planets just doesn't really make much sense from a real science perspective.

Also, I feel like the flying thing--as neat as it looks--really gets lost in the last panel. His black spotting is almost identical to the ground below. From the thumbnail, you can't even tell he's there, and the fact that his wings are almost the same size as the chunks of ground you black spotted below, it gives it an off look.

>>84084186

Same thing to say about the planets in this page. Also, seems kind of odd to have the title like, 2/3 the way down the page.

You're going for that old-school, pulpy sci-fi, and those usually had a big establishing shot panel with the title in it on the first page, or they just went all out and had a big one-panel landscape splash page with the title.

>>84084156
It could be removed, yeah, but a page like this takes all of five seconds to read through, so there's no point to removing it now that you've spent the time making it.

>>84084331
Thank you very much for taking the time to look.
I don't argue woth crotoque as a rule- but thought I should mention:
The planet is the last a survivor of a previous universe, the planets in the sky are the literal ghosts of all the worlds consumed by this world (Destrokk) in the godwar that destroyed that universe. Hence the title.

>>84081522
I think I said this before, but I love the way you make the onomatopoeia integrate to the environment, but some of them get really lost in there as well.

>>84084156
>>84084186
>>84084230
>>84084267
>>84084297
I love that inking man. Really nice job.

>>84072116
So, "rub it on my face" was correct or not? I know it's figurative speech, but the context implies it's the same action.

>>84084460
>The planet is the last a survivor of a previous universe, the planets in the sky are the literal ghosts of all the worlds consumed by this world (Destrokk) in the godwar that destroyed that universe. Hence the title.

Ok, I see. I still think it looks a little odd, but I think part of that may also be because some of them kind of look like they were just pasted there, so they stick out a little too.

I suspected you had some intentional reasoning behind it, but it still seems a tad strange to me.

Maybe do something to make them look a little less "solid" or something? I'm not sure how a "ghost" planet would work, but something to indicate that they're more phantasmal or ethereal in nature, or something.

>>84084568
I'll definitely give it some thought. I do need to detail some if them, though. I honestly didn't notice I'd left so many undone.
The inking taxes me.
I really appreciate your input.

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>>84077247
Progress. Lunch time.

>>84084536
but some of them get really lost in there as well.

You're right about that. I should probably try to change the color of the sky a bit in some panels to make some of them more visible.
It's kinda the difficulty when the onomatopoeia is water-related (so it'll be blue); but the character are also SURROUNDED by blue from the sea or the sky, so it's sometimes hard to find the right shade...

>>84084156
The alien designs are my favorite part of these; there's so much charm in their simplicity

>>84084690
>lunch
>7:19 PM

>>84084536
'rub it on my face' would be something you'd say about sunblock. 'rub it in my face' would be not letting someone live it down, pushing their failure right at them. 'rub it in' just means in general making someone in pain feel worse

>>84084568
THE PLANET GHOSTS OF THE COSMIC GRAVEYAAARD. i love it
>>84084728
oh and 'rub my face in it' would be forcing them to pay attention to what they've done.

so i've forgotten what we're actually talking about.

>>84084720
I slept in today.

>>84077247
>how's everyone

Glad to see you back. Hope we can get some other people back.

>>84084765
Likewise. Hoping to start up updating again real soon.

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>>84084719
My advice, if it counts, it to make a little bit of outline, so it doesn't blends in with the rest of the background. I don't think there's a universal way of doing them, but a bit darker shade on one of the sides would do

Sorry for butchering your hard work, but I mean something among these lines.

>>84084728
>>84084747
Someone threw a jab at me saying I'm the older guy in the threads, so I said to him rub it on my face. So, from what I gather, it's rub it in.

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Hey guys, I have a short thing I'm working on, and I just wanted to ask you which body type do you think is better for this guy?

His name is Mr. Lord Skeletaco (working name) he is a day of the dead skeleton and he wears a buisness robe. He is also anevil multigalactical taco buisness owner who destroys planets economies with his over inflated taco prices.

>>84084943
yeah that's it.
it's okay pops, we respect our elders in here

>>84084943
>Sorry for butchering your hard work

Hot damn! Don't apologize, that's a PERFECT solution! Thanks a lot for that; it's not even something that takes more than two minutes to do

>>84085166
First one is best.
>over inflated taco prices.
A mexican's worst nightmare

>>84085166
if he's an evil overlord then i'd go with the barrel chest rather than the gut.
and if you're looking for other puns, those day of the dead skulls are called 'calaca' so he could be calacataco or something

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>>84085256
There's SALMON in the fish tacos, hank!

>>84085427
EnriGAY

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>>84085256
>>84085258
Thanks for the feed back!

And now for the main protagonist, Cutie Pie! Shes a little alien who sells pies all around the galaxy for low prices!

>>84085609
cute as shit. has that retro cartoon quality. i wouldnt reccommend the overlap-hair thing in this style though.

>>84085166
How does he destroy the economies though? If he overinflates his taco prices the people will simply buy taco elsewhere, no?

>>84085818
He's a borderline retard, he can't actually create a coherent story, just a mishmash of characters "inspired" by whatever he's recently seen.

>>84085660
Ok I'll be sure to watch out for that.
>>84085818
No, because he promises that his taco's are that good, and they are so good that it hypnotizes people to get even more.

>>84085862
show me one other webcomic with hypnotic tacos. you cant can you?
it aint a masterpiece but i'm gonna keep coming back to see what completely insane shit he comes up with next.

>>84085892
Just look in the dumpster

>>84085609
Did you recently watch Wander Over Yonder?

>>84085975
I think you should know by now that my art is highly inspired by Craig Mccraken's art.

>>84085609
>>84085166
I see you've been watching Wander Over Yonder?

Dewd, when are you going to start actually innovating? You grab elements directly from so many character designs but only end up with hollow replicas which completely lack the energy of the originals and just seem to be emulating the worst visual tendencies of mediocre YouTube animators. I'd believe you were capable of improvement if you showed an ounce of inspiration or taste but as of now you've showed nothing but complacency and mediocrity.

Have you ever really tried?

>>84085940
where do you think we are? that's not cotton candy we're knees-deep in here on 4chan.

>>84086026
>>84085975
it's not as if wander wasn't already inspired by marvin the martian. you're allowed to get inspired by things.

>>84086132
>trying to justify your lack of originality
Here we go with this "allowed" shit again. Just kill yourself you moron

>>84085975
>>84086026
>Did you recently watch Wander Over Yonder?
>I see you've been watching Wander Over Yonder?

Holy fuck, it's exactly where he is stealing these characters from. I regret ever having replied to Dewd.

>>84086132
Fuck off Coldfusion

>>84086249
It's safe to say anything he produces is uninspired garbage. When you can decipher someone's entertainment history through his work, it means that work is just a mindless regurgitation of what actual creatives produce. The guy has the mental capacity of a 13 year old whose mother drank when she was pregnant.

>>84086399
you can always decipher someone's entertainment history through their work. that's how creativity works. people just love to single out dewd and pick on him for being a little bit dumber than the rest of us.

>>84086470
Dewd is flavor of the month inspiration kinda thing. Remember when he played Overwatch?

>>84086552
well we know he has ADD, so it makes sense inspirations would change
you don't see me getting upset about an alien with a bubble tail. it's not like i own that, i just got inspired by those weird PVC suits with the inflatable extremity bits

>>84086470
>you can always decipher someone's entertainment history through their work. that's how creativity works
Right, keep drawing your overwatch and wander over yonder ripoffs.

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>>84086636
also einstein said something similar

>>84086686
>undetected
That's the key word you moron

>>84086686
And creative laziness is easily detected plagiarism. Got it.

>>84086686
We detect the shit out of Dewd's plagiarism, so he's confirmed not original.

I just updated my terrible webcomic.

http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/undead-and-uneducated/list?title_no=32422

>>84086732
>>84086739
>>84086716
i feel you may have missed the point

>>84086399
That I think is one of the worst things about his work. You can almost literally tell what Dewd is currently into by the design of the characters he's introduced

>>84086815
literally true of everyone. you too, anon

>>84086855
And this is what he tells himself to maintain his delusion that the stuff he shits out belongs anywhere but the trash bin.

Dewd has no understanding of the basics and no artistic flare. Plagiarism or not, that's the sign of a shitty artist.

>>84086908
No understanding of the basics, for sure. I should hope nobody's debating that.
Brings up an interesting topic though. How do you define artistic flair? One assumes it's not simply a matter of taste.

I remember in that chat, Dewd was a bit under the weather because /co/ had that thread mocking that guy who made a comic ripping off a lot of Capcom stuff like Resident Evil and Megaman. I remember him clearly saying that seeing that thread made him worry he was going in a similar direction, and could potentially be frowned upon.

This was before everyone ganged up on him with the Overwatch stuff and now this, so I think he made up his mind on the subject, if you ask me.

And I can respect that, even if I don't fully agree with it, if it's a well thought decision made by someone who knows what he wants, if that what it is.

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>>84086990
>borderline plagiarism
>a well thought decision made by someone who knows what he wants, if that what it is

>>84086990
well he's had a few of them from the beginning, but what's weird is the most obvious and major instance was a genuine accident. he made the tweaks to get that character away from looking like a ripoff. Some of the others had some influence but weren't straight up ripoffs.
I think the necessity of full originality in characters varies directly with their main character status. A one-shot cameo can and should be a direct homage for comedy purposes, but you don't want them sticking around forever.
I've made some stnanks in the past by mistaking a single unique character for a repeated archetype. Fortunately I usually do a bad job of ripping things off, and as any actor will tell you, a poor imitation becomes your own character.

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>we're having a debate on someone who we know over the internet. stop wasting your time with this argument.

>>84086779
The point that Dewd is the most obvious plagiarist in these threads? We got it.

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>>84084690
I think this cover is pretty much done. Time for a quick shower and then inks.
What do y'all think?

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Lets post comic stuff.
I'll start this way the bars set low because I have zero experience with comics.

>>84087156
damned souls can hold low temperatures eh? gnarly
i love the little skelly guys, but chubby demon lizard girl has been bugging me a little for a while and now I realize why I think.. her arms are so stubby she wouldnt be able to wipe herself. and her chest is a bit high

>>84087139
This looks really great, definitely makes me want to get into the story so it's doing its job well as a cover.

>>84086965
>>84086965
Flare is no imitable by anyone else's hand, totally subconscious. When you are very consciously making something, you have no flare.

It's best if you learn the basics first though (a very conscious process), then as soon as you get comfortable, you can show off your unique flare.

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>>84087214
Thanks! Yeah guess that's why people say you feel a cold spot when ghosts are around.
Funny you mention the arms I was literally just was working on shrinking them down. How are these looking? And yeah my anatomy is still a bit off I've been visiting /ic/ trying to learn some stuff.

>>84087231
Thanks. It's gonna be tough drawing all those tunnels when all hell breaks loose in the mine.

>>84087272
oh I see what you mean, that quality that shows something poured out of your creativity center and wasn't just manufactured or decided by committee
I think dewd has a fuckton of that (it's not as if he sits and tries to meticulously copy, if he did I would hope it looked better), but I do see what you mean. and I notice it in my own stuff. I go into a very different mode when I'm trying to directly copy something, even if it's a reference photo.
actually I think what you're detecting with dewd's art, that "very conciously making something" aspect, comes from how hard he has to focus on making things not just look like a big messy pile. which, yeah, the fundamentals help with tremendously. Even though it looks like a lot of work at first, it really is worth it.

>>84087304
well there is an intrinsic problem with drawing fat cartoon characters, if you give them stubby legs you have to give them stubby arms to match, otherwise they look like apes. but that seriously limits their body language and gestures. you look at peter griffin, or even homer simpson a lot of the time.. their hands don't reach down to mid thigh at all, they would look wrong if they did. but if they need to reach into their pants or something, the artist just cheats a longer arm

>>84087139
All around excellent. the rabbit looks especially nice.

>>84087372
Just put your trip back on, you aren't fooling anyone

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Berrrr berrr berrrr

>>84087034
To each their own, I dunno.

I know I would be wasting effort criticising him for it, if that's what he wants to do. I'm sure as hell he's not oblivious to all this.

>>84087575
That is a very nice color palette

>>84087607
Just stop, you're tripping over your own attempt to straddle some moral high fence.

If he's going to post his shit here, people are going to express their sentiments.

>>84087607
>I'm sure as hell he's not oblivious to all this
lol

>>84087693
>their sentiments
their plagiarized sentiments you mean. you don't have to tolerate echochambering

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>>84087713
Well, I mean, I'm not.

This thing is pretty much a mix of WoY and chowder.

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I want to bump Ellen!

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>>84087755
>multiple people calling out your plagiarism is "echo chambering"
The rabbit hole is deep

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I urge many of you to read this New York Time's Bestseller, "Steal Like an Artist"

>>84087859
No, only dewd needs to read this. He's the only retard who's had this problem here.

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>blu trinitards coming out of the woodworks

>>84087859
Imma steal that book.

>>84087936
I don't think you are familiar with this book.

>>84087995
in case you didn't notice by last thread, mr 'reparations means repairs' doesn't listen to anything that counters his assertions

>>84087995
I don't think you are

>>84087859
That's actually a really good book. I find myself picking it up from time to time and rereading it whenever I need a boost of inspiration.
I also recommend his follow up book "Show your work".

>>84088086
I haven't read that yet, what's it about?

>>84087859
Should we also read the Blu Trinity bestseller West Tree Academy of Heroes?

>>84088145
>A book for people who hate the very idea of self-promotion, Show Your Work! is the followup to my New York Times bestselling guide to creativity, Steal Like An Artist. If Steal was a book about stealing influence from others, Show is about influencing others by letting them steal from you.

>In ten tight chapters, I lay out ways to think about your work as a never-ending process, how to build an audience by sharing that process, and how to deal with the ups and downs of putting yourself and your work out in the world:

>>84085166
why can't you just admit that you're poorly plagiarizing mccraken's art.

saying you're inspired by him is honestly an insult to him as well.

>>84087693
Yeah, fair enough.

>>84088223
Oh shit, Ima need that.

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Literally a nesting doll representing different age groups in modern society, and how each one copes with understanding themselves in the world today.

A group of sisters that inhabit the same body are suddenly cast out to travel across america looking for their real parents, and where they came from.

>>84089309
Hm, nice use of greyscale. I'm not fond of the way title looks, though. The stripes of black and white look a little clunky, and that font doesn't really complement the feel of the image imho.

>>84089521

Thanks, I'll mess around with it some more. Although, to be honest I just kind of slapped the title in there.

>>84089309
oh i remember this! neat, I'm glad this is moving forward.
I especially like the idea of them literally being several ages together, and thus representing different age groups... except if they have always shared one body, then they wouldn't have a normal-person viewpoint..

>>84089852

>they wouldn't have a normal-person viewpoint.

They are humans with very human aspirations. I suppose if anything it may be more akin to how one would grow with a disability. Still, them simply being a product of modern society (regardless of their condition) occasionally provides very relatable, and understandable points of view.

For better or for worse they were raised with the idea that their condition would be hidden. It eventually became very apparent that completely shutting them in wasn't the best option. They hid under the guise of a somewhat more subtle medical condition, and would attend public school in fits and starts with their "parents" filling in the blanks with homeschooling.

Each girl is an individual, They essentially learned to share their lives with each other. Naturally this doesn't just work without conflict, and the story picks up where such a thing might really come to a head.

Episode one is choppy in places, but that's because I was new to the whole web comic thing. Episode 2 is a bit neater.

https://tapastic.com/series/FrICTION

don't worry, page 10.. i'll have a comic done soon

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yes, this is what it was all leading to. did anyone see it coming?
been holding this back forever but I knew it'd make her OP as shit so I had to save it for towards the end. then I thought of a great way to combine it with this other idea, and then like six puns happened.
I'm realizing for the first time that i should probably be adding the green shine only on the lit side

has anyone gotten a hiveworks reply yet

I think I might go insane and it hasn't even been two weeks yet.

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Just finished a cover for episode 2.

>>84093095
This is a christian board.

>>84093570
dear anon that does a comic
all of us bees at the hive think your comic is just the our knees!
due to the structure of our compound eyes, we aren't able to make out the intricate details exactly, but the colors are nice. one of us landed on it the other day and tried furiously to pollinate parts of it. It didn't work yet but we're going to keep at it.
you are welcome to come by any time and have some of our honey as long as you don't disturb the bee babies
love, hiveworks

>>84093821
it's just a recycling plant.. i didn't o'keefe it that hard

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I had an idea for a webcomic about a little frog wizard apprentice that gets sent on an impossible quest by his master but he doesn't know it's impossible so he just sets out on his adventure anyways and has a lot of fun lighthearted adventures along the way. Would you guys read it? Pic related, it's a concept for the main character.

>>84093570
post your comic and anons will ease the uncertainty

>>84094397
It's super complicated.

I mean the comic is at http://decompressed-comic.tumblr.com/archive which is the comic itself, but there's also stuff like the thumbnailed things for my higher budget interactive sequences, like http://a.pomf.cat/octpaj.swf (arrows to move, z to jump, x to shoot) which I submitted as a "thumbnail" equivalent for a future bossfight sequence in the comic with some placeholder sprites, and which have a concept that isn't properly conveyed in the archive yet.

It's stickman shit, admittedly, but I have tried to see if I can polish stickman shit to a mirror shine.

>>84094018
It's a decent enough premise, but as with all premises, the execution is far more important.

I like the book.
The fez doesn't read very well, since the color is similar to the book and its height makes it line up.

>>84094513
well that is interesting

>>84094018
Sounds cute and frogs are always a plus. I'd check it out. Main character looks alright but his skin seems a bit too saturated, especially next to his dull clothing.

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>>84087139
Damn it, you're so talented

>>84085609
From a thumbnail this almost looks endearing, and then in full size it's easy to see that you have no grasp on basic character design and it's more of a decent head on a squiggly non-body.

>>84095319
Worse is that he's just blatantly ripping off Wander.

>>84086399
>When you can decipher someone's entertainment history through his work, it means that work is just a mindless regurgitation of what actual creatives produce.

Ehhh. Depends.
If it's more vague (like, characters having an ability vaguely similar to another's or slightly similar physiology) there's nothing wrong with small tells.

>>84095397
Nothing about >>84085609 is a small tell. I took one look at the character design and I knew it was blatantly copied from Wander Over Yonder. I don't even watch that show, my experience with it comes from glancing at various WOY images posted to /co/.

>>84095457
I'm not defending it, I'm disputing the intensity of the claim against it as it relates to other things.

For example, you KNOW Hater from WoY is influenced by Skeletor. A lot of fictional badguys who are skeletons have that influence because, despite He-Man being shit, Skeletor is a pretty good design and a fun character.

There's nothing wrong with the fact that Hater has elements cribbed from Skeletor, because his design and character are distinct. Dewd's character is Hater dressed up as a questionable Latin American stereotype. He's even a space traveller despite that being at odds with his gimmick just because Hater is too. That's the point I'm getting at.

>>84094018
I dunno, Anon. The thing about frog protagonists that they're overdone; nobody wants frog protagonists anymore, LEAST of all in a Fantasy setting :^)

seriously though, it's cute, I like how he carried what I assume is a norma-sized book in his back. I think the clothes could be a bit more interesting; maybe with some pattern on the robe sleeves or having a belt with bags and containers of magic ingredients attached to it

>>84093095
That actually looks pretty freaking cool, gives me that Bayonetta vibe and she looks awesome both fully and partially "clothed"

>>84096451
Dumb frogposter.

>>84095641
>For example, you KNOW Hater from WoY is influenced by Skeletor
The thing about that is, it's not the VERY FIRST thing you think when you look at him. You don't take one look at Hater and go "oh, it's Skeletor" like you do for Dewd's Wander knockoff.

>>84087139
Watch out Jamil! The ladder behind the bird's head is a tangent. Even if you reduce it's intensity, the placement is flawed. Fix it before you ink it

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should every story element from large arc to small tiny itty bitty sub plots link together in some way?

>>84097110
Most of everything should serve the central premise. If not directly, then at least indirectly. Also this applies more for a single story than for a series of stories, so it depends a little on how serialized the work is.

>>84096889
Yes that's... essentially what I said, thank you.

>>84097530
So you agree dewd is completely ripping off wander, and not "referencing" hater the same way hater references skeletor?

>>84097110
it's like pottery

>>84097110
In plot or thematically?

>>84097596
How many times do you want this to be established? I'm trying to actually continue the discussion and you just keep dragging it back to an artist that isn't even worth discussing

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Good afternoon thread!

>>84094630
>>84096451
I don't normally visit these threads I didn't know frog protagonists are a thing, my bad.

>>84098418
Eh, it's not like frog protagonists are oversaturated - I think he was just making a joke.

>>84094018
so many frogs! Can't get enough! But there are a lot of other critters you could go with
in any case, i love the idea of the premise being an impossible quest. that way the reader doesn't have their hopes up
>>84096451
It's funny because bayonetta is the one of the several obvious ripoffs (spawn, carnage, senketsu, and the origin of the bat'leth) that i know and care nothing about, but because it's hair, that's kind of the most dead-on one. I kinda wondered who'd think of what first.

>>84095641
I didn't see any similarity there, I was surprised people weren't yelling undertale ripoff because pudgy skeleton. It actually never occurred to me before that hater was a skeleton, i thought he was just a weird horned ghoul. but then I don't like that show, so..
all I really saw here was mccracken influence, just the type of eyes and cute face and shoes that appear not just in wander but in foster's, which I also don't like. but those influences are pretty much straight up craig's attempt at being chuck jones

>>84097037
>ladders are never allowed to be behind a bird's head. fix it! it's flawed! fix it fix it!

>>84098314
>i'm happy, i got an envelope on my head!
she's cute as fuck dewd. i like how you pour your emotions into everything you make.

>>84098466
>>84098535
I considered making him a chameleon as well. I think I'll try drawing a concept thing for that real quick.

>>84098670
that could be neat, though those are pretty common too
not that there's anything wrong with being common, just yknow.. good to explore the other options.

>it's ColdFusion sucking Dewd's cock episode

>>84098670
Maybe a toad? They're not very young-seeming so not the best fit for a young apprentice, but they're very sorcerous.

>>84097037
Tangents will be the death of me. But thanks for the heads up. I'll touch it up a bit on my lunch break.

>>84087139
>>84098762
The owl's wing is aaaalmost touching the lizard's cheek. It shouldn't be a problem, but just be careful during the inking. A little extra space wouldn't hurt.

>>84094018
he looks great! though im not sure how the hat feels with the rest of his design. perhaps make it match his robe? just a minor nitpick though.

i definitely am interested, i love stories like these that involve lots of places and people to see. please keep us updated!

>>84098418
Frogs are pretty comic. I'm making a comic where one of the main characters is a frog as well.

>>84098418
It was a joke, anon.
It's true people like anthro frogs, though. Frog-girls too, recently.

Go for it

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>>84098951
>Frog girls are a meme
Fuck.

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>>84098846
I caught that one last night and fixed it before I began inking. Made the wings look more "bird-like". Thanks for the heads up once again.

>>84098557
Just because you have garbage taste doesn't mean Dewd still isn't being derivative as hell. And yes, everyone gets inspired, nothing is new under the sun etc etc but for fuck's sake you don't get that Dewd doesn't TRY. He doesn't CARE. He'll NEVER grow out of the box he's placed himself in, so he's never going to be anything but derivative.

>>84098743
which is every fucking episode, I'm so sick of these two idiots

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>>84098974
I've got a hot tip that axolotls are gonna be the next big thing in amphibians. Get on it before erryone else does!

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>tfw can't decide on a single protagonist or a group of five
The reasoning is that while I've taken great care into crafting the five, they act as a unit, and thus I keep wondering if having just one would be easier to write. And I already have a basic outline of events.

The initial solution was to have each party member have a solo chapter to themselves, but this would be splitting the party, and they're supposed to be smarter than that.

Now, I'm one of those assholes who strives for a string supporting cast, so one of the obvious advantages of a single protagonist is that said supporting characters get more of a chance to do things. The issue here is that the current single protag concept is somewhat unsatisfying, and I want to avoid a boring lead like the plague.

TL;DR: Any advice on how to keep a lone hero and a five member party from being interchangeable?

>>84098974
cuuuute
actually that's somewhat less common, the cute and slightly sanrio type frog girl. most of the others have been either very sleek and anatomical or mostly-human-with-frog-aspects.

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>>84099051
Tennapel's got us beat.

>>84098991
can't speak for the guy but i'm pretty sure he's not being derivative out of laziness, like "well i COULD make something new buuut this is easier". among other things he knows he's gonna get shit for it.
he's being derivative out of love for various media. I can tell you straight up the only reason I create is to make more of the stuff I like, and when I was younger the shit was straight up ripoffs. Are you gonna tell me you didn't go through that phase too? and don't say "and some guy set me straight by getting up my ass", he did not. you just got more original over time naturally.

>>84098314
good afternoon, Wander

>>84099255
Check out Endtown. The character interaction is what makes the comic so great to read, aside from the setting and good art. There are no "main protagonists" but "spotlight characters" within each arc. Maybe you can try something like that. It would allow you to be interchangeable and focus on each characters as they deal with their own struggles.

>>84099255
Why not just start with one and then introduce the others as part of the main cast over time?

>>84099051
>australia bans axolotl porn for being too similar to tadporn
>>84099293
sucks he had to abandon it due to lack of time. i miss that
>>84099255
start with three maybe?

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are vidyo gaem comics allwoed??

respond nerds

>>84099469
I would assume so. But I would try to strive for something more than just "vidya comic #163647"

>>84099255
>but this would be splitting the party, and they're supposed to be smarter than that.

Then write it so splitting up is an actual good idea, or at least preferable to the alternative. If there's a nuke and a hell gate happening at the same time, you have to split up to deal with both.

Or instead of having a "solo" chapter, just vary who's in the spotlight/who's the viewpoint character.

>>84099502
or what if the comic follows each of their separate adventures before they meet up. I've always wanted to do that but I neglected to.

>>84099360
>Check out Endtown. The character interaction is what makes the comic so great to read, aside from the setting and good art.
Yeah, that sounds about right, actually. Gotta focus on the interaction. A bit of group conflict here and there. Thanks.

>>84099502
>Then write it so splitting up is an actual good idea, or at least preferable to the alternative.
Well, the idea is that they split up to obtain some vital resources. They spend most of the story essentially level grinding, and they're on a bit of a time crunch. So I think I'm good there.

>>84099051
Can confirm. I made axolotl buttons for a con and they were my second best seller behind angler fish.

>>84098974
>Hiding behind a spoiler
Coward, be proud of your work! That said, it's really boring looking.

>>84099255
Design five such that any given pair or trio works as a set of foils. Instead of solo chapters, have duo/trio chapters. Establish not just your characters, but how they relate to each other. Also duos/trios aren't a stupid way to split and re-configuring the party can keep things fresh for more than five chapters.

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>tfw your comic has fewer readers than Dewd's

>>84100670
How is that even possible?

>>84100670
his only viewers are in this thread

>>84100790
He has one reader. It's coldfusion.

>>84100743
Dewd gets150-200 views every update

>>84100817
>>84100804
>>84100790
>>84100743
>>84100670
>caring so deeply about views
This sort of shit is gonna either motivate you, or kill you. Focus on your story and art, then the views and everything else after.

>>84100848
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody's around, does it make a sound?

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>>84100863
What's the sound of one hand clapping?

>>84098981
really like how it's coming up, you're very talented.

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>Had an idea for a web comic
>Friends says the plot is exactly like the plot for Final Fantasy X
>mfw he's right

welp, back to the drawing board

>>84101243
No need to trash it right away. Just change some plot points and stuff. Every idea has been done. See what you can do that'll make it different from ffx plot.

>>84101243
Or you could try fiddling, think about what works and what doesn't, and stop going all high concept.

SURELY you can do better than HA HA HA HA HA.

>>84101243
Read books. Especially nonfiction and short fiction. You'll come up with better material. And when you do steal fewer people will notice.

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I'm thinking of drawing/shading/writing my comics purely in pencil.

I need a new scanner since mine crapped out months ago and I'm thinking of getting a canson soon.

Any advice on how to properly polish them after scanning?

And also if the idea of a pure pencil comic is good. I'm not Adam Warren, but still I'd like to know what you think.

Pic is the last things I scanned.

>>84101243
I'm curious, what was it?

>>84101376
Could probably use some color or values of some kind. It looks like their faces are touching here because there's like no depth cues.

>>84101376
I would advise using a separate paper for your roughs, and using a light table to transfer your pencils onto a clean sheet.

Alternatively, you can do your roughs digitally and print them out using a light blue ink, and just pencil over them, so when you scan them (in greyscale) the light blue lines will mostly disappear and you can tweak your finished, clean lines in a digital program.

I like the idea of penciled comics. They add a nice texture when done right. Try experimenting with the above methods and see what fits with you.

By the way, nice drawing.

>>84101409
>Fantasy world
>Every 50 years a being named Ulysses emerges from the void and begins to destroy civilization
>Nations train champions to fight Ulysses, all but one has died during the battle
>Turns out that Ulysses is an ancient force possessing the bodies of the previous champion who slayed him
>Only reason why the one person survived was because he was part of a tag team and his partner was the one to be possessed.


I didn't think it at the time but it absolutely is the FFX plot.
>>84101270
>>84101282
>>84101300
I'll find something. I like the setting too much.

>>84100863
yes.
to imply otherwise is to think that everything that happens in existence is either imaginary or exists purely to stimulate your senses.
i don't know of any religions or philosophies that support that idea, and you'd think at least ONE would if it was true, right? any god who was that into micromanagement would also be bugging us constantly
>hey did you hear that tree? i did that, i made that tree make a noise JUST THEN just for you

>>84101376
>polish
there are a lot of digital tools you can use to streamline pencilry, including multiplying them on a layer til they are basically black lines, cleaning up the messier bits, then coloring under them (since obviously they won't be clean and stark enough to fillbucket with them)
if you're sticking with straight up pencil you don't even have to worry about that really, what 'm looking at right here is good enough. It has high enough contrast (the main important thing) and if you wanted you could add some light gray shading

>>84101376
I know there are quite a few people who do very clean pencil drawings, then darken them digitally to use as "inks", so if that's what you want to do it should be fine.
Not sure how well pencil shading would work, though. The picture you posted doesn't really have a lot of that anyway.

>>84101608
>i don't know of any religions or philosophies that support that idea
Trumanism

>>84101536
shit that's pretty neat. but it's really just combining two old ideas into one relatively interesting one. i suggest you just do that again, with two other old ideas.. or maybe one of the same. maybe replace 'periodic world-destroyer' with 'cliche holy messiah'. i've seen those done where the twist is 'oh no it turns out they sacrifice themselves and it's all for something really stupid run by some higher-up guys' a few times, but i've never seen 'and really it turns out each one was just the previous one who tried to stop them in a new guise' like, as if they figured out the scam, fought, and became the new one or something..

>>84101608
First of all,
>religions don't think so, so it mustn't be true!
Second of all,
>there have been no solipsistic religions.

How wrong can one person be? Also put your trip back on.

>>84101665
that's more of a paranoid delusion. and even in that case it's understood to be a deliberate action meant to confuse and deceive. that's slightly different from the tree merely making a sound so you know a tree fell. Almost the opposite.

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>>84101648
It's possible. I just did this for that anon on my phone.

>>84101685
sorry i didn't parse that properly. i meant EITHER solipsism OR that everything exists just for you, and I don't know any examples of the latter. I know plenty of people who THINK that's what religions say, but they've invented that as an argument against it.
solipsism exists but it's a dead end philosophically.

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>>84100670

>>84101732
Religions don't think so therefore it isn't true is still an insane way to arrive at a truth value. Even if it were sane, the fact that you don't know shit about religions means you wouldn't be qualified to ascertain truth that way.

>>84101702
What if instead of possessing those he defeated the champions willingly allow themselves to become possessed and continue the cycle for some grander purpose?

>>84101732
What the fuck is this retard babbling about? It's like he gets cornered and starts haphazardly stringing vague thoughts together.

>>84101412
>>84101648
>>84101648
It was a quick drawing I did back mid 2015.
It's really not a good example of how I draw.
Wish I had decent ones.

>>84101485
I really like the light table one and it's something I've been considering when I read about it.

>>84101729
I really like how clean it looks!

>>84101824
i was providing a logical framework
>postulate: thing which runs contrary to our understanding of the natural world. ergo, a supernatural premise
>assessment: no well-known popular belief systems espouse this
>point: if such a supernatural thing were true, an intelligence would have to be behind it
>subpoint: any such intelligence would make itself known, as it has already shown it is willing to interfere greatly
is there some flaw in this thinking i'm not picking up on?
for god's sake, i'm replying to the tree falls in the woods thing. it's not really worth continuing to talk about

>>84101839
yeah maybe it's the inverse of the typical twist. there's a world-sunderer who it turns out IS a messiah, stopping some greater tragedy at their own personal cost, but it takes people up to the point of killing them to find that out, usually. so they keep taking up the mantle

>>84101887
>I really like the light table one and it's something I've been considering when I read about it.

I'm currently saving up for a nice one. I had a really clunky one before, and light tables are great.

>I really like how clean it looks!
Same anon that cleaned it up. Just make sure your final pencils are clean, and you're golden! I'd recommend an F lead. It's hard enough so it won't smear, and soft enough to be really dark with it.

>>84101824
Please don't argue with Coldfusion.

>>84099393
>start with three maybe?
Y'know what? I'm gonna try that. Maybe I can sort of condense the five into three. Cause I can definitely work with three no problem.

>>84102241
that's my plan for my next comic. start small. three make a very nice dynamic. Everyone knows how to make a duo, you just make them contrast.. but trios make you start drawing complex lines between them. like the classic stooge trio where one's incompetent but in control, one's loyal and strong but stupid, and one's sensible but spineless. they all work 'together' in the sense that no one of them can hold back the other two from doing interesting things

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>>84102017
Thanks for the advice anon!

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>>84102305
Not a problem. Happy comicking.

>>84102286
Three is also just plain easier to work with, mechanically. I'm very attached to the five, but I can feel it in my bones that I'm not a good enough writer to work with that many leads. Hopefully, I can manage to condense their traits into three so I'm not technically losing them. Or perhaps I can re-purpose them for a different role.

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>>84102241
a 3 character dynamic is simple and more manageable than five so that's a good route to take.

I wanna start a comic like that too since I'm heavily inspired by ATHF.

I wish coldfusion would stop being a faggot and leave his trip on all the time.

>>84102956
I'd settle for one of the two.

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Working on simplifying designs and working with thicker outlines to minimize time spent on comic pages. I'm not sure how I feel about the result so far.

>>84103216
What's with the blurring?

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I got sick of greyscale and decided to try doing my pages in color. Pretty pleased with this.

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>>84103274
Since I was just experimenting with simplifying a character. I didn't want to spend a million years on a background that fit since I'm not posting this anywhere else. So I did some lazy effects to work him into a background I did a long time ago instead of just having him in a white void or an obviously ill fitting background like these. I was hoping it didn't come off looking too bad.

>>84103385
Do you have a site or anything? Not sure I've seen you here before.

>>84103413
Blurring on the heavier lines just doesn't look very good. "Camera" effects in general benefit from being applied to something with a more realistic look.

Aside from that and some proportional issues the thick line weights aren't too bad.

>>84103414
https://tapastic.com/episode/363470
I've only got a Tapastic, and I'm fairly new to this board.

>>84103385
Very pleasing to the eyes. Nice work anon.

>>84103385
nicely drawn hooves! a little odd seeing them at the end of rather thin humany legs, but it works! i wonder what these two are gonna get up to

>>84103469
oh hey, this looks like it has some potential.
>Coming Soon!
>This episode will be released in 18 minutes.
just when I didn't think you could be any weirder, tapastic.

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Working on a mock up cover idea. How's this looking? I'm pretty happy with the general idea, but I know I wanna tweak the logo a bit to fit better.

>>84103802
Looks good but I'd move the head up. The space between the face and logo with nothing in it seems awkward.

>>84103462
I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the input.

>>84103802
the light green, desaturated mauve-brown, and darkish desaturated purple should contrast nicely with the near-red brown of her hair and her somewhat orangey-tan skin. plus it looks like she's gonna eat the reader, which is always good.
i want a tiny word bubble on it giving some kind of message. like 'you taste like a comic reader!'

>>84103863
Good idea, I thought having the mouth cut off half way was a little weird, too.

>>84103889
That's good, though. It's a zany, off-balance image to fit the comic.
Having her be just a little bit off to one side wouldn't be a bad idea either.

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>>84103942
>>84103889
The other anon has a good point but I still think the spacing is awkward.

This could be combined by showing the entire face but having it at an angle to suggest a more discordant movement.

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>when you tell a friend you're an artist and show them your webcomic, to which they say "that's cool" and never speak of it again

>>84104187
>when your own IRL circle of friends admit they never read your comic.

Online friendships are more fun tbqh

>>84104184
Ooooh yeah, I like that. The original idea was that the logo was resting in her hair, but I think it might look kinda strange at that angle, or maybe that's just me. Might still go for it.

>>84104187
I get that sometimes, then I feel bad for showing them, since I feel like I talk about it so much and they're bored of it.

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>>84103413
>>84103216

Not gonna lie, totally digging the art and colors of your art. Don't take offense but it awakens the teenage girl in me.

>>84103481
>>84103720
>>84103788
Thanks, anons.

>>84103413
Looking good. The fuzzier colors on the background don't quite mesh with the foreground, though. Have you tried just more solid, blocks of colors for your backgrounds?

>>84104469
LONDON?
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>>84104341
she has enough other shit stuck in her hair, why not the logo?
though we know if it's overlapping a character at all that one anon in here will be triggered

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>>84098981
Progress! (Sorta)
Had a bit of free time on my lunch break and finished inking Rufus (the owl)

>inb4 the ladder
Yeah I'm getting to it.

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>>84104469
Thanks! No offense taken, i'm going for a retro vibe of late 90s early 2000s edge. Everything then seemed to have crazy emphasis on red and blue coloration for contrast, Invader Zim being an excellent example with everything of Dib's being blue while Zim's equipment is red ,with purple as the middle ground of the two. I'm glad to see so many people inherently viewing this as retro or nostalgic because I was worried it didn't seem obvious enough. My various online accounts seem to be mostly frequented by ex mall-goths so this seems to be my calling.

>>84104703
I have a lot of trouble with that since I go with such a concurrent color scheme. As i said before though, that specific picture is really just thrown together as a rough experiment out of pre made resources for other things. I feel I'm able to integrate gradients in backgrounds with clearer foregrounds better in some of my other finished works, like in this animation still, but I'm still open to suggestion. The background I tossed into that gamekeeper image is around 6 months old so I think I've learned a lot more since then as seen in pic related.

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Finally finished another page.

>>84104971
Loving your lineart so far. What do you use for it?

>>84105011
Ah, I see. You actual backgrounds look pretty sweet

>>84102017
I have an Lcd one I just got go 40 bucks.

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>>84105106
Thanks.
From left to right: Pentel extra fine brush for outlining and typical inking, Pentel pocket brush for Blacking in large areas. [I've had this pen for years now, and the bristles are a bit worn. The ink flow is starting to get runny, and I can no longer get that crisp line I used to get when I first bought it.] Manga G pen from Tachikawa for those tiny details, and Pigma Micron 08 for typical inking.

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>>84100817
Well, actually, it's been pretty good lately!

>>84105319
btw, forgot to mention the highest one is 650.

>>84105335
How many uniques? About 50 on average?

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page 2 of episode 2 done.

>>84105319
>posts graph with no axis for scale
thanks dumbass.

>>84105508
yeah.

>>84105508
2. one is coldfusion, the other 649 are himself

>>84105508
>>84105597
hahaha lmao

what does uniques mean exactly? so if you have 500 hits and 50 uniques, that means each person checked about 10 pages?
or wait, is this daily or monthly or what? because i just check the site once a day

>>84105930
yeah, pretty much.

but that also means somebody could have read all 440 pages in one day.

>>84105930
>so if you have 500 hits and 50 uniques, that means each person checked about 10 pages?
Averaged out, yeah. But it more likely means you had some people who just went to the home page, maybe some who read the archives in full, maybe some who partially read the archives.

>>84106104
that makes sense, because who would read 10 pages a day?
again, is this daily or monthly or what?

>>84106270
four days a week.

>>84106316
no not the update frequency (though that is a good point too)
i mean that bar chart. is that tall bar, the 650 one, is that 650 hits in a day, a week, or a month?

>>84106353
oh yeah, that's in one day.