What the fuck happened to IDW's Transformers books? They

>>84038147
Fans happened, as with every transformer property ever.

What are the ones I should read?

>>84038170
Start at the -ations, which were 6-issue minis. Stop at All Hail Megatron. Pick up TF vs GI Joe 0-13, not related to the -ations, but it's an acid trip on an acid trip.

>>84038170
Last Stand of the Wreckers, then More than Meets The Eye and Robots in Disguise until Dark Cybertron.

Then you stop and read TF vs GI Joe.

What's wrong with them?

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>>84038769
Settle in, gonna be a long night.

>>84038147
It picks up during the Ratchet/Swerve/Ravage/Cyclonus/Tailgate love pentagram arc

>>84038872
>>84038872
Good thing I have all night

>>84038769
>What's wrong with them?

It goes full tumblr and introduces Homosexual Transformers (Chromedome and Rewind), Transsexual Transformers (Arcee) and Transgender Transformers (Tailgate).

I don't even know how a robot can be transgender. I don't think the writer knows either. He just really, really, really wanted on that trans bandwagon.

>>84039370
Okay, but what is wrong with it?

>>84039370
>Homosexual Transformers (Chromedome and Rewind), Transsexual Transformers (Arcee) and Transgender Transformers (Tailgate).
How?

>>84039422
>Transsexual Transformers (Arcee)
Shitty writing and retcons.

>>84039370
>>84039422
>>84039443

Transsexual Arcee was actually a Simon Furman thing from early in the IDW run, not a Roberts thing from recent years.

I think Tranny Arcee may have even been retconned.

>>84039483
I thought tranny Arcee WAS the retcon.

>>84039548
Nah mate, that was Furman coming up with a realistic reason for female Transformers to exist

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>>84039370

>>84039591
Wasn't Jhiaxus' thing about activating something buried in her CNA? I didn't think he was actually introducing gender so much as he thought he was reintroducing it.

>>84039370
I'm a dipshit who doesn't understand the difference between transsexual and transgender. Someone spoonfeed me, since I'm assuming at least a few other anons are just as confused as I am.

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>>84039631
Let\s find out

>>84039792
Transexual is a bullshit term for transgender. You can change your gender since that is an identity, you can't change your sex since that is genetics.

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>Six years later the comic caused a brief conflict between Furman and Mairghread Scott, who developed IDW's second female Transformer, Windblade. Scott implied that Windblade wouldn't have a special origin for being female and when asked about Spotlight: Arcee, she said she found the implications of Arcee's gender making her mad and a woman being the aberration "upsetting". She clarified that she didn't believe Furman was trying to make any gender comments, that "in a vacuum, Furman’s story is completely legitimate" (but sadly stories do not exist in a social & cultural vacuum), and pinned the blame on how rare female characters were in the brand; "Arcee’s origin is offensive because we don’t have any other female origins to balance it".[1] Furman considered this a personal attack, "accus[ing] me of apparently setting out to be offensive to women", and also took issue with another creator "sling[ing] mud", believing they had a duty to be respectful when discussing each other's work. "However ‘carefully’ Mrs. Scott chose her words, the message was the same: Spotlight Arcee was some derogatory and misguided portrait of all women and we’re going to fix that."[2] Scott and Furman talked and "ironed out the bumps" a few days later.

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>>84039855
would you?

>>84039483
>I think Tranny Arcee may have even been retconned.
She hasn't. She still was "transformed" by Jhiaxus and alludes to it now and then, I think most recently her alluding to the many years spent repeatedly "killing" Jhiaxus while close enough to the Death Universe portal that he couldn't actually die.

She's basically come to terms with what was done to her and she's no longer a "freak" since there are so many other female Cybertronians. That doesn't mean she still doesn't harbor resentments about her lack of choice in the matter.

>>84039422
When Simon Furman created the IDWverse in 2005 he decided there would be no female robots. Just like the good old days!

Then in 2008 he wrote Spotlight: Arcee, which introduced Arcee as the first and (at the time) only woman transformer. She was the result of a normal robot being turned into a female by a mad scientist. And it drove her insane. Furman was taken off the franchise shortly after that.

So the later writers at IDW were stuck with a canonical absence of females other than Arcee who they didn't want to touch because kek.

In 2012 IDW launched the ongoing More than Meets the Eye and hired James Roberts to write it. Among many other things he wanted to write about robot relationships. So, among a main cast of over a dozen, he included exactly one romantic couple. And since all the robots are boys they are by default gay.

Tailgate is only "transgender" in the sense that his holographic avatar (you know, the thing TFs project to make it look like they aren't driving themselves) is a girl. Which doesn't mean shit.

>>84038769
>plots become completely directionless >no consequences
>"lel so random" plots that try to be "cumfy"
>DJD are needlessly edgy but not actually threatening villains
>only thing that gets any development are fucking love triangles

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>>84039921
>those glasses
>that smile
>that ass
>that flab
All day, every day

>>84039422
James Roberts has a Tumblr fetish

>>84039855
I vaguely remember TFG when that "gender hypercrisis" was going on. Frankly it never seemed as big a deal as people were making it out to be and they hashed it out pretty quickly.

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>>84039985
It wasn't and they did

>>84039483
It's not been retconned, but you're right that Furman was the one who created tyranny Arcee.

>>84039370
They're a planet of entirely dudes no shit they're gonna be gay also have you seen g1? Megatron and Starscream have been fucking since 1984.

Also since when is Tailgate transgender? He's kinda feminine but he's a dude.

>>84039855
I mean, she was right. Furman's dumbass obsession with "muh genderless alien robits" was absolute cancer. Females have literally been a part of the franchise from the second year on.

>>84040019
Leave Tumblr

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>>84040019
Roberts unofficially made Tailgate's avatar a female baby when a miscommunication happened. He's not trans.

>>84040103
But tumblrinas would bitch about how Tailgate is a tranny though when he's obviously not.

>>84040019
>They're a planet of entirely dudes no shit they're gonna be gay

They're also robots
Robots that, as far as I've ever seen, don't reproduce with eachother (though that varies from continuity to continuity I'm told)
You can be bros without being buttbros

>>84040019
>planet entirely of dudes

So did you never watch any of the cartoons or anything? Females have always been around. They're just not major characters because toys.

>>84040155
I don't have a problem with them having "more than friends" relationships but I am bothered that apparently its somehow physical and not just mental.

>>84040191
Talking about idw, which for implied millions of years they had no chickformers besides arcee in almost all cartoons there are girls.

>>84040221
Nobody at IDW has written about robots fucking or reproducing sexually or having genitals. But sometimes they are in love.

>>84039955
ebin

>>84040271
Yeah but IDW is the weird bastardized take on the franchise that's built around one guy's fetishes

>>84040302
They grope each other.

>>84040271
Optimus brainfucked Elita in G1

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>>84040320
That was Megatron thinking he was receiving a hug anon

>>84040320
Well I pet my dog but I've never fucked him.

>>84040314
Still doesn't change the fact that everyone in a relationship would be gay for millions of years in idw's canon.

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And now we know.

>>84040349
I think you mean 'Toaster sex' anon (I fucking love how out of no where and Prime's weird moans in that scene btw)
But yeah that's in G1 this is idw I'm talking about.

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>>84040355
Petting is not groping. And I didn't say that they fuck, I said that there's physical element to their relationships.

>>84040369
You might as well use Kiss Players as your source for Transformers lore.

>>84040460
I want legions tongue inside me.

>>84040433
It's more sexual when they beat the shit out of each other.

>>84040433
who is dis

>>84040485
A badly drawn genericon.

>>84040485
Butchscream

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>>84038147
>They got really good for a year or two, then became absolutely unreadable.
The middle section of MTMTE 'season two' was crap, but Dying of the Light has been great.

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>>84040568

>>84040227
Feral Fang Arcee is an interesting design. I kind of dig it.

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>>84040590

>>84040485
Reminds me of a robotic version of the femdom /ss/ drill sergeant woman from The Tribe. Or like a robot Maleficent.

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>>84040612
Those are some weird comparisons anon.

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>>84040671
Oh man, Megatron is about to go apeshit

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>>84039946
>>84040112
This was Bumblebee's avatar, also under Furman. So the only thing Roberts introduced is "gay robots", working with a race where everyone but Arcee was one gender.

>>84039946
Also females would show up in the background all the time because the artists didn't care

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>>8404062
>tfw megatron will never hold you like that.
>tfw megatron will never make you feel safe.

Now that Brexit has sunk the pound can IDW start paying Jame Roberts like a third-worlder and spend the extra money bringing the comic back up to 22 pages?

They're fine except for whatever Scott is working on, and those never last more than 8 issues anyway.

>>84041343
The Pound will recover quickly. There's always a big drop in periods of where changes happen.

Better they pull out of the EU now than be forced onto the Euro.

>>84041343
Go back to bed, Simon Furman, you've forgotten you're from England too. Also that you aren't a polar bear, you silly man.

>>84040019
>Megatron and Starscream have been fucking since 1984.

No, because according to tumblr now that ship is "abusive".

>>84041432
It's one of the most popular ships. It only stopped being so active because there is no interaction between them and there is no show with them.

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>>84041432
tumblr is full of hypocrites though

>>84041467
No fuck off.

>>84041432
Abuse is sexy. It means they are passionate.

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>>84041602
It sure is

I'm not even bothered by the robofaggotry that much desu. But the implied pederasty does.

Fag pairings between two consenting adult robutts is tolerable, but there is something VERY disturbing about Boku no Rewind/Boku no Tailgate.

Roberts essentially treats the smaller bots as immature boy-children and it's fucking sick. He should be shot and killed or chemically castrated so he can do no more harm to society.

>>84041688

>Rewind
>predates Functionalism
>a young child

Dude's hella old.

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>>84041688
They're adults though and robots so does it really matter what size they are? Roberts has stated that they're adults anyway, and tailgate is literally one of the eldest members of the cast. I fucking hate that argument that because Tailgate is innocent he's literally the transformers version of Pico.

>>84041500

When Prime was airing half of the content was porn and the other half was people bitching about how Megatron mistreating SS was wrong, despite SS being a little shit.


>>84041520

That's what angers me the most. They have no problem with Tarn ships of all fucking things, or even the NEW Megatron ships.

>>84041688
It's fiction. Roberts and his fans are allowed to jerk off to whatever they want as long as they don't start fucking real children.

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>>84041810
Starscream is literally in some ways worse than Megatron and that's exactly why I ship them
Also the people who go on about how badly Megatron treats Starscream tend to ship Starscream and Knockout even though Starscream hit Knockout multiple times suddenly abuse is ok! Or for the flip side Megatron x Optimus shippers will go on about how Starscream abuses Megatron and how Megatron should just marry Optimus to be free of his abuse or whatever.

>>84041373
Yet they keep giving her books

>>84041810
Much as I hate it when /co/ obsesses about other websites, like us they have a shit ton of users so of course opinion is all over the place.

>>84042019
And if you didn't hate women you'd be buying them.

>>84042019

Well, theres a reason. But I'm not opening THAT can of worms.

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>>84042130
>buying books

>>84042098
>like us they have a shit ton of users so of course opinion is all over the place

Of course, but due to the nature of the site, once an opinion gets popular enough good luck getting rid of it.

Like using vaginas instead of cables, or even the most ambiguous valves.

>>84042180
All pirates hate women.

>>84042019
With an ass like this who can blame them?
>>84039921

>>84039844
Both of them are bullshit terms for a mental disorder because "gender" doesn't exist

>>84042181
Dude let people like what they holy shit

>>84039955
This does describe MTMTE, ex-RID isn't that bad.

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>Fans complains there are lack of females but goes ape shit when there are more.
>Fans complains about other holoforms but nobody complains about Whirl's being a little girl.

Hypocrites. Hypocrites everywhere.

>>84041688
Rewind is fucking older than Chromedome and Roberts said Tailgate is immature mentally but still considered an adult.

>>84042630
its almost like there are many different fans with many different opinions
amazing right?

I assume the not giving a fuck leaked over from the mlp writers
Still those are starting to get better so maybe theres ho-
>Shared universe for no reason
Nope no hope abandon ship boys

>>84042716
thats Hasbro doing that, not the writers

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>>84042701
They all need to shut up and find joy in whatever slice they got. Forcing their opinions on every corner of the fandom ruins things.

>>84042760
again, not all fans do that, the majority say nothing, its usually a few loudmouths, like any other fandom
you're trying to turn them into one faceless mass which is ignorant

>>84042834
IGNORANCE BREEDS CONTEMPT. CONTEMPT BREEDS PESSIMISTIC ASSES. NEVER ENDING CYCLE.

>>84042888
so don't turn into a mindless pessimistic ass

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>>84040590
I REALLY like Autobot Megatron.

Is that okay?

>>84043083
Tarn is dead, Ravage is dying, and Soundwave has teamed up with Optimus, so I guess nobody has a problem with it anymore.

>>84043173
Tarn aint dead yet and its very unlikely he'll die.

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>>84043173
>Tarn is dead

>>84043222
>>84043224
He's definitely one of the chooms.

>>84041343
>Now that Brexit has sunk the pound
Yep because it totally won't rebound to where it was before, if not better, within the next two weeks. I mean, these kinds of things have never ever happened before and have definitely never gotten worse only because of media fear mongering public opinion to make it seem worse than it actually is.

>>84043173
Don't forget Starscream turned out to be a leader of Cybertron people actually chosen.

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>>84043256
Nickel is shooting Tarn and Overlord in the back using Vos

>>84043351
Becase of some factually-bullshit prophecy.

The NAILs are absolute idiots.

>>84043401
Why would Vos turn his back on Tarn?

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>>84043418
Because he left him and Kaon for dead, and then killed Kaon later

>>84043418
Tarn has been slowly breaking down over time, Nickle can see it too.

>>84042502
I stopped reading that around #30-something. I found the Earth shit super boring. Have they gone off Earth yet?

>>84043256
Doubt it.

>>84043588
They went back to Earth.

Optimus is trying to help the planet, humans are being dickholes to him because the idiot cybertronians who worship him are equally dickholes.

>>84043588
No. Never. They're making a whole Hasbro shared universe based on Earth.

>>84043648
And most of the Autobots problems would be solved if they would just tell Earth that Megatron surrendered to the Autobots and the war is over.

They think the Autobots joined Megatron because their translator was drunk or something

>>84043659
>>84043648
Shit. I really liked it when it used to be about Cybertronian politics. Earth and how it reacts to Transformers has been way overdone.

>>84043712
>Earth and how it reacts to Transformers has been way overdone.

That already happened some time ago

now they feel Cybertronians are evil as a whole.

>>84043739
Naw, they only hated the Autobots at first because Soundwave told them the Autobots had joined Megatron.

Galvatron made them hate all Cybertronians.

>>84043687
>And most of the Autobots problems would be solved if they would just tell Earth that Megatron surrendered to the Autobots and the war is over.
Why the fuck hasnt this happened then?

>>84043837
Because Soundwave got butthurt and told the humans the Autobots had allied with Megatron; as in they now work for the guy that destroyed their cities and almost nuked the place.

Earth should pass a referendum to leave the Council of Worlds and deport all Cybertronian immigrants.

>>84039946
Whirl and Minimus Ambus have female holo-avatars too though

>>84043712
>I really liked it when it used to be about Cybertronian politics

Yeah RiD became garbage not long after it became Optimus vs Galvatron on Earth.

>>84043903
And Bluestreak, and Cyclonus, and Bumblebee.

Thundercracker receives millions in EDC subsidies and for what? To take a job away from an honest hardworking human screenwriter? This is an outrage.

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>>84041520

I used to love these books, but really hated All Hail Megatron, when did the books start to recover? I'm looking for a good jumping on point.

>>84044028
And Sunstreaker.

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>>84044144
is there literally any transformers gayer then them?

>>84044304
It's not really gay. Starscream is basically a woman.

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>>84044391

>>84044304
Cyclonus.

>>84044387
kek

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>>84044391
Oh shit I forgot about him, but really Starscream wears high heels they could compete to see who's more gay.

>>84044597
Gay doesn't equal feminine.

>>84044888
youre probably one of a very few that understands that here

>>84042630
This is pretty cringeworthy. I want to like it, but I just can't.

>>84042749
you mean hasbro is making them improve
it makes some sense but then there was that shit with trixie apparently never attending the school

>>84043173
>Tarn is dead
He's probably going to get away.
>Ravage is dying
They have Ratchet so he'll be fine.
>Soundwave has teamed up with Optimus
Soundwave was blackmailed into working for Optimus and will probably run back to his station the moment everything is done and taken care of.

>>84041520
>tumblr is full of hypocrites though
Welcome to humanity.

Transformers is a popular franchise but not many of the huge cast are iconic....this means people can do what the fuck every they want to do with characters and face no shitstorm, leading the comics being about the same quality as any deviantart tier fanfiction

>>84047185
Yet they keep on making stupid OC characters. Why?

>>84038147
>>>/pol/

fuck off and die on the way there please

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>>84047357
What the fuck does IDW Transformers have to do with /pol/

>>84047327
Same reason, TF is a huge franchise but honestly the hardcore fans are a niche group, so there is no public outcry when they do stupid shit and basically push their own fanfiction since the greater fanbase doesn't even read the comics.

>>84047357
>implying
You're probably that same damage control fucker who agreed with the argument that what Transformers transform into doesn't even matter and should be downplayed.

I think after Sins of Prowl this week I'm dropping the TF comics all together, its gotten so boring.

>>84047371
>muh transformers cant be wimmins and gays

that's fucking what asshole

>>84047371
They're trying to imply that the ONLY possible way OP could POSSIBLY think that is if he's a homophobe

>>84047388
You probably didn't even like TF until the comics if you honestly believe that's what it all boils down to, in which case kindly fuck off.

>>84047387
>its gotten so boring.
MTMTE last few issues have been really fun though?

>>84047387
>waiting for that piece of crap mini to even finish before dropping out
Why wait?

>>84047409

Feels like DJD dragging on forever

>>84047417

For completion's sake, aand Tarantulas

Oh, another thread about /co/ not being able to enjoy something because it has something or anything to do with identity politics, tumblr or progressive social media.

>>84047669

>>84047403

>>84047403
>>84047674
I've been into it since the cartoon in the 80s. Since all the gender and identity politics introduced are highly superfluous and used only as vehicles to further the interactions of characters, which I honestly find well done whether I care for the notion of genderqueer robots or not.

This is just nothing more than a case of people letting something trivial keep them from enjoying something.

>>84047693
I think you missed > if you honestly believe that's what it all boils down to

>>84047693
>This is just nothing more than a case of people letting something trivial keep them from enjoying something.
Or maybe it's just bad?

>I've been into it since the cartoon in the 80s
It's funny you say that because the G1 episode about the team of female Autobots was literally just on Discovery Family about a half hour ago, so no I don't think the issue is simply bigotry since I don't see anybody complaining about that

>>84047706
Things change, not everything can just remain a 2D war novel about robot fighting for millions of years. While you're certainly entitled to your opinion the fact that the first thing anyone brought up (or has talked about at any length in this whole thread) is the identity politics and gender crap, it would appear that this issue is the most signature complaint.

>>84047715
If you think it's bad, that's fine, but I don't see any real arguments for that outside of the fact that you want all TF stories to be nothing but war journals, which isn't bad either.

Was that team of female autobots transgender, gay and whatever else people are complaining about above? If no then I don't see your point.

Again, it's your opinion, but if you can't come up with something more creative than: "It sucks and I'm never wrong because my opinion is the ultimate litmus test of truth" then you'll forgive me if I'm dismissive.

Has anyone uploaded transformers mtmte from issue 1. No luck in the win o threads and as much as I'd love to buy em...my cash gets saved for a place to live.

>>84047870
libgen

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>>84039370
>and Transgender Transformers (Tailgate).

Next your gonna say Pidge is transgender too.

>>84048040
Who

>>84039395
Underrated post.

>>84039946
>Furman was taken off the franchise shortly after that.
And there was much rejoicing.

>>84048049
Looks like that thing from the Allspark.

>>84048089
So the 4 trannies who got their panties in a bunch and whined counts as "much rejoicing"?

>>84039395
>>84048075
Underrated posts.

>>84048103
I was referencing Monty Python you silly anon.

>>84047388
I don't care if Transformers are women since it makes sense, but a faggot one doesn't

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>>84049108
I'll bite. How do female transformers make sense?

>>84049356
They make sense to his dick because he can fap to then, but faggot transformers scare him and make his dick shrink so he hates them.

>>84049356
Not him, but they make sense because they have existed since G1, and were always a part of the mythos, so it makes sense to include them and even try and find some reason for them to exist

Homosexual Transformers serve no purpose other than pandering to a certain crowd.

>>84049931
Female TFs were in G1 for the exact same reason.

>>84049931
You are hilarious because exactly what >>84050009 points out.

And in IDW females are 1% of the population, of course the rest are prison gay.

>>84050009
It doesn't matter, it's the original.

>>84050265
There really does not need to be any romance in Transformers even if female ones exist...unless they make a new universe where Transformers actually breed like animals do. Even in Beast Wars the shipping just felt weird, pointless, and out of place

>>84050375
There was romance in G1. You're contradicting yourself, there is no need for romance which was in G1 but pointless fembots who were also in G1 are fine?
>>84050265
Apparently they're 50%, except on Cybertron. Which is another reason why they're incredibly stupid.

>>84050528
In either case...there were never gay Transformers before, so adding them in is a blatant attempt to CHANGE Transformers. Fembots aren't changing anything, nobody should care.

>>84050375
>There really does not need to be any romance in Transformers even if female ones exist
So they can have other emotions buts not love? Ok Costa, enough internet for you today.

>>84049356
We're talking about a company that wants to sell toys, so I'm mostly guessing it was for the sheckles they could get from girls that wanted to have a cute pink robot, of course it didn't work, so they stopped trying to exploit the females and decided to stick with male robots, hence the reason why there are so few female giant transforming robots.

>>84050614
>In either case...there were never gay Transformers before, so adding them in is a blatant attempt to CHANGE Transformers.
So you are homophobic because two robots that both happen to call each other "he" hold hands and nothing else. Got it.

>>84050828
Tumblr pls go

>>84050797
Romantic love =/= an emotion
The kind of love you have for something you well...love, sure but the kind of love that makes you want a "lover" is completely different

In other words, it makes sense for TFs to love things as they are sentient being, it doesn't make sense for TFs to have romantic pairings since they do not mate

>>84050614
I don't understand why you are so reluctant to the idea about gay Transformers, maybe you're a bit of a homophobic? But that's besides the point.
What you might not remember/ realize is Transformers are sentient species, and while they do not reproduce through sex. That doesn't shut out love. And since the majority of population is male, love is more likely to be a thing between two males rather than a female and a male, right?
What's so hard to understand about that?

>>84050891
See >>84050859
Also...
>And since the majority of population is male, love is more likely to be a thing between two males rather than a female and a male, right?
What's so hard to understand about that?
That's reading far too into things that should essentially be kid friendly, there is simply NO actual reason to make TFs gay

It's going out of your way to promote something when it was well enough being neutral on the subject. The issue isn't gay, the issue is forcing gay where it never needed to be

>>84050891
Not that anon, but you're being autistic, they're fucking giant robots in a kids cartoon, of course they're not supposed to have romantic feelings for each other because, if you think about it, it was made decades ago when gays where pretty much something unspeakable and sex has been banned from cartoons. Also, as a kids cartoon romance was a comedic plot because girls are yucky and they wanted to see badass robots fighting, not kiss players.

Even as a fujoshit i can understand that my g1 delusions of romance where my OTP are totally into each other are a farse to justify the fics i read.

>>84050823
They were included because feminists complained that Transformers are all male. So instead of doing the smart thing and claiming that they're not actually male Hasbro decided to introduce robots with boobs. At this point it's a mix between getting "totally progressive" points from SJW types, keeping the shitty tradition and attempting to sell girl robots to girls and horny nerds.

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>>84051200
But female TFs have existed since G1....and they never had toys originally.

>>84051343
The first sentence is about G1. The third is about the present. Now reread what I wrote.

>>84050859
You stupid faggot it is absolutely possible to have romantic love for a partner without having a need to fuck them. Not everything should be exactly the same as humans that can only love things with their dick.

>>84051077
But were not talking about the kids cartoon, were talking about the comic which is made for adults you dense fuck.

>>84051077
>sex has been banned from the cartoons
I'm pretty sure it was never in the cartoons meant for kids in the first place, but relationships always were and G1 is, for better or worse, no exception.

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>>84051688
winblades lines look too clean compared to the others

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>>84051718
Both Windblade and Nautica look too clear compared to the older grainy image.

>>84051789
Sorry man but I called you a fat hot because you are acting like one and even though I know you won't believe me that was my first post in this whole mess.Call your paranoid autism.

>>84051789
You didn't reread it. I said feminists, and it's fairly well known that it's the reason there was a fembot episode where they were introduced, just so the feminists would fuck off, and then forgotten because they didn't want icky girls there. Then later they realized that they can push some badly designed toys as long as they aim at specific audiences and they even get called progressive for doing that.

>>84038147
I'm a big Transformers fan, but I can't read the IDW comics. They are too convoluted, and the quadrillion titles don't help.

>>84043256
Yeah, but they aren't dead yet. Ultra Magnus was MIA during the entire fight; plus he got such an upgrade that he is like Omega Supreme sized now. He probably lays down some cover fire, kicks Tarn and Overlord away like soccer balls, picks up Megatron and retreats.

>>84051948

actually somebody told me that Alex Milne meant for Magnus, Swerve and Rewind to evac with the rest but for some reason left them out when drawing.

It's not them but of course it could just be misinformation to not give it away.

>>84051837
What

>>84051871
>I said feminists, and it's fairly well known that it's the reason there was a fembot episode where they were introduced
Is that so? I'm gonna need a citation for that one because I never heard about it
>Then later they realized that they can push some badly designed toys as long as they aim at specific audiences and they even get called progressive for doing that.
Beast Wars had females, I don't recall anybody giving a flying fuck much less calling it progressive...

>>84052004
They might also have Rung and Nightbeat awakening a Titan and ending the fight.

>>84039946
>Tailgate is only "transgender" in the sense that his holographic avatar (you know, the thing TFs project to make it look like they aren't driving themselves) is a girl. Which doesn't mean shit.
...is that why this shit meme started? Fucking BUMBLEBEE had a female holo-avatar in the first fucking mini, and nobody ever assumed IDW BB was a girl!

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>>84052051

That seems likely as well.

and the possibility of Deathsaurus double crossing Tarn.

>>84052051
Boy, talk about your deus ex machina endings.

>>84052081
But bumblebee is a bitch. Tailgates a qt.

>>84052022
>Well, I remember bringing up that question early on with Hasbro, "are any of these female?" And then I think Hasbro's attitude was, 'this is a boy toy. We don't wanna have, you know, girl robots.' So, I said, "OK, just want to clarify that.
From TFwiki. I'm afraid that I can't find any actual quotes on why the fembots were introduced however I'm sure someone has Furmans comment comic where he so subtly and intelligently comments on feminists being mad after they've been given exactly what they wanted.

>Beast Wars had females, I don't recall anybody giving a flying fuck much less calling it progressive...
Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen, and even if it didn't so what? Hasbro doesn't care about being called progressive, they want it now because it's a thing that a lot of people talk about but they couldn't care less about it as long as people buy their crap, it wasn't nearly as relevant in the 90s so they didn't push it. And notice that one of the BW characters was modelled after an actual stripper, while the other was changed to male in Japan. The only reasons Hasbro cares about female transformers are horny nerds and girls who might buy their toys but only if they're made specifically for them, preferably pink, and appearing progressive helps with the 2nd group. In the 80s they thought that introducing fembots would hurt the sales, later when they found out that it's not the case they decided to exploit that to sell to different demographics.

>>84044552
>Follow Gavatron
>Galvatron does nothing but insult you and beat you senseless, even shoot you
>Loyal to the end

Sound wave didn't feel gay because he was at least treated with respect and just seemed like a good soldier. Cyclonus just wanted some Galvacock.

>>84042248
You mean the one that's barely in the frame?

>>84047693
I don't mind the gays robutts or the wimmin robutts at all. I care about the writing, which ever since Dark Cybertron has been getting worse and worse. At least the art on TF books is gorgeous.

>>84040073
Female Transformers were stupid then and stupid now.

>>84053354
Then we should just go back to robots that have no gender and call each other it.

>>84053862
That would make more sense than anything, since they are you know, robots

>>84053880
But making sense isn't the point. Selling comics and toys is, and that is not a good way to sell those.

Wait, I'm on Ultimate Collection 4, what happened to the series? I've been enjoying it immensly

>>84053880
I wish we would, it DOES make more sense and we wouldn't be having these retarded arguments all the time about this specific thing. We would have other retarded arguments but at least not these anymore.

>>84053915
well we cant have fagbots or wimmins in the comic so get over it

>>84054026
But they already exist. And will never stop existing because that's bad for business.

>>84054044
Funny cause we don't really have the Qintessons anymore and various other things that were dropped and never revisited.

>>84053862
That makes perfect sense.

>>84054110
Yes I know, like I said here >>84054013

>>84054105
How is including something that represents actual demographic that will read it or at least praise and advertise it comparable to hentai aliens?

>>84039591
>a realistic reason for female Transformers to exist
That was the worst possible "reason" ever, especially considering it's just as 'illogical' for Transformers to have faces as gender.

>>84053915
>But making sense isn't the point. Selling comics and toys is, and that is not a good way to sell those.
How do gay people sell toys exactly?

>>84054013
>we wouldn't be having these retarded arguments all the time about this specific thing.
The only reason we have them is because some presumptuous cunt thinks anybody who doesn't like the shit tier fanfic comics is automatically a homophobe just because THEY decided the most important thing in Transformers is shipping

>>84054143
Because it scares geewunners and homophobic fans like hentai loli rape monsters scare tumblr.

>>84054262
So you think everyone who disagrees you is either a single person or people who disagree for the same reasons? The only reason we have those arguments because idiots like you cry about gay robots in their fiction instead of ignoring it and accepting that it won't change.
Every single time this argument is started by people bitching about it. Nobody argues why it makes sense or at least why it isn't the end of your stupid little world until you pollute the thread with your cancerous whining.

>>84054407
Then stop having IDW threads bitch, it sucks. Every single IDW title is better than TF

>>84054365
HURRRR EVERYONE WHO DOESNT LIKE IDW IS A HOMOPHOBE
You're so clearly not a TF fan that it's insulting.

>>84054927
>You're so clearly not a TF fan that it's insulting.
And there it is, the angry impotent pissbaby call of the GeeWunner, hopefully that heartattack will get you soon and the fandom will be the better for it.

There's a higher concentration of /co/umblr in IDW TF threads.

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>>84040355
What are you, casual?

>>84055163
/co/ is tumblr now where have you been

>>84055796
You weren't reading the comics, you're still not reading them now. Nothing has changed for you.

>>84055796

>>84055179

>>84054105

>we don't really have the Qintessons anymore

Yes we do.

>>84038147

Kinda, yes. (sad emoticon)

>>84056004
Whatever you say closet faggot homophobe.

>>84043083
Why does he draw all the noses like that

>>84056500
Not all and to be honest TFs generally have a very limited nose selection, but it's noticeable because he constantly reuses the same 3 shapes that are fairly characteristic which makes it much more noticeable than if he went with something more generic looking.

>>84056004
>Bayverse
>better than the holy text of MTMTE

>>84056004
>>84056639
Did you just reply to yourself?

>>84056266
Whatever you say, poser. I bet you don't even own a single piece of Transformers merch, the comics are how you got into it and you brushed up on everything else through wiki, pathetic.

And, I'm into boi pussy and even the MLP IDW comics are better than IDW TF, and that is saying a fuck lot, so once again nice try.

>>84056774

Whoa, watch that edge champ.

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>>84056774
>gets called a faggot multiple times
>talks about how much he hates faggots
>admits to actually being a faggot

You need help man.

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>this thread

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>>84056774
into boi pussy and you read the MLP comics, your opinion is no longer valid here

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>>84056004
>I've read some IDW stuff I liked...like the Megatron origin for example

>>84044387
"pretty poison"

>>84038147
So IDW Transformers and TMNT books are good? Is there a guide/list?

>>84056833
>>talks about how much he hates faggots
You're confusing me for someone else, or you're the same damage controlling retard who thinks that anybody who doesn't want sexuality shoved into kids media means they're a homophobe

>>84057204
No, TMNT is good....Transformers is fucking awful, no self respecting fan reads them. Just watch the shows desu.

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>>84057204
TMNT is super good, here's a guide:
http://tmntentity.blogspot.fi/2013/02/the-idw-tmnt-continuity-timeline.html?m=1
Transformers is good at times, bad at other times, a guide in pic related.

>>84057263

Hey, I read them.

>no self-respecting

Oh wait.

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>>84057263
>Just watch the shows

>>84057728
Every TF show has been better than IDW, yes even the anime is worth a shot before reading this convoluted contrived crap

>>84057798

Anyone who would put Energon above anything is an idiot.

>>84052102

DS seems to be nbeing pushed to his limit after being forced to sacrifice his men against Megatron. I'd say he's just a little bits away from his betrayal. Maybe he even notices that Megs is different now and that he is actually giving shit to his soldiers.

...Then Tarn or overlord kills him because he's gone soft.

JP TFs get the worst luck.

>>84049356
Because I actually know something of the franchise outside of James Robert's queer fantasies.

>>84058470
You mean there is more to it than that? I always thought James Roberts created Transformers.

>>84047742
That's fine. Not everything HAS to be a war novel. RiD's reconstruction of Cybertron and MTMTE's exploration were both good.

But RiD is now the same kind of pointless wheel spinning we've seen from the franchise for years but not actually good, and MTMTE is a boring mishmash of shipping and character wankery.

You can do "different things" with the franchise. It doesn't change the fact that what they're doing right now is awful.

TF vs GI Joe is good though.

>>84058549
You laugh but Tumbrinas hate everything about the franchise that isn't Fagbots in Space.

>>84057204
>are good
Wrong.

>were good
yes

>>84058613
Then again, Tumblrinas tend to hate everything.

>>84058549
WRONG! Michael Bay did.

>>84056116
Did they bring the Quintessons in? When?

>>84055144
>pissbaby

Go back to Tumblr

>>84055796
>tranny suicide rates are low
u fuckin wot

They kill themselves all the goddamn time.

>>84058728
Theorized that it's the Quints who repaired Overlord and dragged Pharma's body through the portal. Hope it's correct, but nothing confirmed yet.

>>84039370
I hate it when they start mixing real life into fantasy it ruins the concept of trying to ignore every bullshit thing in real life and read an adventure of fun.

>>84059367
Aye. We need someone to MAKE TRANSFORMERS FUN AGAIN!

>>84058728

The third Aligned novel, Retribution.

They're implied to be the "Creators" in Bay's movies.

And Megatron met one (then ripped out his Spark to reboot Trypticon) in IDW's 'Monstrosity'.

>>84057831
>Anyone who would put Energon above anything is an idiot

Anybody who would use a trip on 4chan is an idiot and you have shit taste in waifus fuck off faggot

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>>84056866
Just another day in the life of discussing Transformers lore.

I'm still enjoying the anger that had been wrought upon both sides.

>>84059480
I mean the Quints have always been around. I meant in IDW; JR rewrote the origins to exclude the Quintessons

>>84058588
There isn't that much shippery in MTMTE besides two pairs. The rest though is just prolonging the finding of the Knights.

>Bayformers will find the knights before Rodimus would.

>>84056500
I recall Milne saying he was going for an "everyone has the same face like in G1" thing.

Though between Rodimus, Skids, Perceptor, Magnus, and Cyclonus, I'd say there are at least 5 different noses.

>>84061113
Huh, that's the first time I hear about this, do you remember any details?

>>84039946
>Actually giving Arcee an actual, quantifiable gender
>Actually giving a reason for Arcee's gender

See, this is the thing we in the business refer to as "quicksand". You dip into it too much and your entire story gets swallowed by this otherwise completely innocuous subject. Leave it alone. Maybe lampshade it here or there, but don't give it too much credence or you risk dropping your entire story into an irretrievable quagmire of gender politics. It's dumb.

Arcee is a "girl" in the same way and for the same reasons that Bumblebee is yellow. That's just the way she looks and identifies. All robots are inherently agender, and Arcee's wide hips have as much bearing on her identity as Prime's window abs. That's it. That's all you need. If you find it weird that there aren't very many "female" robots, then create some more, like Elita-1, Windblade, and Slipstream. Hell, go ahead and bring in some "female" bots that don't look inherently female, like Strika. Just...just don't belabor the point. Nobody really cares. They're space aliens that transform from extremely humanoid forms into vehicles. There's already a giant toungue in a cavernous cheek over the whole affair. You don't have to sell us the kool-aid we're already drinking.

>>84061649
Tell that to IDW and Hasbro.

anyone got the reading order for after the dark cybertron arc?

>>84061868
Yes.

>Transformers vs. G.I.Joe

and that's literally it

>>84061796
I honestly don't understand how an editor looked at
>the Transformers go walkabout and then they find a group of female robots that had always been there even though no one had mentioned them before
>also Windblade is really super important you guys please believe me
and thought it was good to print

>>84064137
thats Barber and Scott, ask them

>>84064137
Would you rather they write about the origin of femininity? That sounds boring and would piss some people off no matter how they handled it.

>>84064137
>>84064269

They should have just had all the females show up and just pretended they were always there.

>>84059480
Wait how do Quintessons have sparks

>>84064958

I dunno. They just do. In IDW, anyway.

>>84053354
Fuck off back to tumblr you ignorant whore

>>84053862
That's what tumblr wants so they can ship faggotbots.

>>84053880
They are sentient robots constructed by the Quintessons in the image of organics. Organic life has genders, and two genders are the biological standard.

Even outside of real life biology, every organic race we have seen in Transformers has been in the image of humans (such as the residents of Nebulon.)

This is how things work. The fact that this goes against Robert's and your weird sex headcannons are your own problems, and you should probably seek mental help before you hack your genitals off and inevitably kill yourself like all the people with your mental illness do.

>>84065388

>every organic race we have seen in Transformers has been in the image of humans (such as the residents of Nebulon.)

No.

>>84065202
thats tfw you fucking cunt

>>84065411
Yes. Evey organic race has had two genders.

>>84065453
They are the same thing. TFW is a tumblr outpost

>>84065455
Biology wasn't your strong subject was it it spanky.

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>>84065455

Maybe. But they aren't all human.

>>84065579
Show me one animal that doesn't have a male and a female.

>>84065799
>gender
>binary
>not a spectrum

how fucking stupid are you

>>84065799
Theres several different species of lizard that have no males. At all. And several species of fish. And insects. Etc.
You dumb piece of shit at least do a little reading before you come here spouting shit.

Homosex is normal fun and healthy. Puritans please go back to England.

>>84066271
>moving goal posts
>avoiding the topic
>redirecting the subject
>lol get mental help nigger
Haaahaha holy shit you're that same faggot from the other thread that just came in here to shitpost because you were mad about Bayformer shit and got called out on everyone of your arguments aren't you? You didn't know shit about the toys or the comics, it was hilarious. You are just a treat.

>>84061649
Arcee is a girl in the same way Elita-1 is a girl - she has female genes in her CNA.

That is also why Optimus Prime has a romantic relationship with Elita-1, Ironhide had a relationship with Chromia, and Powerglide has a romantic relationship with Moonracer and Astoria.

This is literally how the franchise has always worked. I don't know where this insane revisionism comes from but it is flat out cringe inducing. There are two genders and males have relationships with females. That's just how things work.

>b...but muh IDW
Kiss Players

>>84066418
what the fuck are you talking about you stupid bulldyke

>>84065924
>Using gender as anything other than a verb

>>84066698
>>84065924

wut

>>84066672
It's ok, I know you're tsundere troll-sama.

>>84066754
Ok lady. Which thread?

>>84066629
do you not understand the concept of a reboot

>>84066895
Do you not understand that a "reboot" can be iredeemable garbage?

IDW is the Ninja Theory DmC of Transformers

>>84066965
Well, I hope you like the Bayverse or the current Robots in Disguise cartoon, because IDW is the only other active Transformers fiction and it's not going anywhere.

>>84066965
and JR is the Brian Michael Bendis of Transformers

>>84067088
You think Roberts is going to win an Eisner or five?

>>84066629
>This is literally how the franchise has always worked. I don't know where this insane revisionism comes from but it is flat out cringe inducing.

It comes from Simon Furman's Marvel comics in the 80s where he wrote that the absence of female Transformers isn't sexist because Transformers don't actually have males either, and his work on IDW comics in the 2000s where he made the same the same claim. Everyone else at IDW is just working with that canon to avoid nerds endlessly bitching about MUH CONTINUITY.

>>84066698

>verb
how are you supposed to 'girl' someone?