How's Your Webcomic? #286

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV (embed)

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.

>*-We also got a DISCORD CHAT going on,
Ask for an invite in the thread.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ0lck7oo4A

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

>>83963349
I think the lines are fine.
The "Like a rock" ballon is what bothers me the most honestly. You should place it more to the right instead of that low on the panel, it is distracting.

>>83963349

>>83963446
>>83963631
The right-to-left thing is a clumsy attempt at countering the line going through Skögul's hair into Raven-hair's spear, while still getting the reader to notice the weird white girl on the right.
I don't really want the threat escalating to murder. Skögul's not really the type to exaggerate, and she doesn't think some 4´11" human girl swinging an axe around is a serious threat.

>>83963714
i didnt notice anyone on the right
i wouldnt have taken the threat seriously. can valkyries even die?
so i take it you arent actually looking to joke, that explains why you don't like the dialogue as it is (it's a nice joke). What tone/mood exactly were you looking for?

>>83963714
But now that I think about it a little, I could just not be a lazy dumbo, lower the spear so it's coming out of Skalmöld's hair, and change Skögul's bangs so that they lead into the next panel. Then I could have Skögul's lines going right instead, which reads way more natural.

>>83963804
Man, this is Norse mythology, everyone can and does die.
I'm making a joke, but the characters aren't, if that makes sense.

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>>83963524

its been a while but here is a new thing i just made lol

"oo" is the title of this series im starting up, maybe, could just be a one time thing

>>83963910

https://discord.gg/0u5dpTltxNPNJRsF

>>83963910
Hey Bones, dude! Great to have you back! It's been a while, my man. What happened to you? I was hoping you were dead by now.
I like the comic, it's literally me ha ha jk i hate it

You've actually improved a lot in the time you've been gone. I like the colors, it's your best color scheme so far. Keep it up, senpai.

Sorry for bad english, I'm rus.

>>83963855
yeah i dig it, you want her to be honest about how it bothers her to get attacked when she wakes someone up. like 'maybe next time i'll just let you sleep in and get in trouble'

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Fixed up the colors a bit.

>>83964489
Maybe "It seems I'll have to find a way to wake you up from a safe distance in the future."
"Perhaps with the chamber pot."
Chamber pots probably weren't a thing back then though. "Latrine bucket"?

>>83964630
Grate improve.

>>83964751
surely people have always had a pot to piss in, for as long as they've had pots...

>>83964751
Pisspot or pissbucket has a nice sound.

>>83964852
Well, a quick google tells me that while chamber pots have been a thing since at least 600 bc, the stuff I've found about vikings seems to suggest that indoor latrines or just going outside were more common. I did find one reference to Loki insulting a god by claiming they allowed giantesses to shit in their mouth (Lokasenna 34), but the word is translated as either "privy" or "chamberpot" by different translators.

>>83964999
That's a very nice ring to it. I'm a sucker for sudden coarseness at the end of an otherwise politely-worded sentence.

This sort of came up in the last thread, but how big should I be making comic pages? If i'm drawing online that is. Right now, it's something like 500x750 pixels, should I really be drawing in inches?

>>83965607
Its always better to format your pages for print since you can always resize down for web without any real problem. It's just a good habit to have and you won't want to kick yourself if you ever decide to go to print and you can't because of how you've drawn your pages.

That being said, the final size for web should be somewhere between 800 and 1000 px wide, scaled proportionally. You don't want to post the bigger files online for several reasons, but it has to be big enough so that your font is readable effortlessly.

>>83965607
It really depends on whether or not you ever care about the comics being printed.

>>83965607
For online publication, you should probably try having a finished version that's about 800-1000 pixels wide. Height isn't so much an issue because people don't mind scrolling downwards.
You should probably work at at least twice that size.
For print, you'll probably want an original that's over 4000 pixels wide to be on the safe side.

>>83965707
i disagree. with current monitor resolutions, big enough for the web IS big enough for printing, automatically. you can just go by pixels entirely and ignore inches and dpi

>>83965756
Print also needs high DPI, 300 is good IIRC.

>>83965868
print doesn't "need" any DPI. whatever you drew it at, once it's shrunk down to the size of printing, its DPI will be calculated accordingly. You don't get to make a decision on that. It's a good idea to check out what your current size looks like printed on a normal-sized page, though

>>83965864
Sure, I guess? You mean like a 4k screen?
Anyways, you probably don't want to put that high res image on your site. Mostly because it will be hell to load for a lot of people. Some like reading on the phone with a poor connection (and usually lower resolution!). There are other reasons of course. It's easier to protect your art and you get something extra (the high res copy) to share with patrons or to make vote incentives and that sorta things.

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I have around 7 full pages done
How long do i wait until showing it on say liek tapstic to get it out there?
Is 7 enough?

>>83965943
yeah, what i meant was, you don't draw at web display size, because if you did it would look pretty bad. you draw way bigger, then shrink it down. same basic concept for printing. I have all my original .psds saved, except like one where i accidentally saved the resized version.

>>83966224
comicbook-type pages, where nothing really happens on each page, or comic strip pages where each one can be enjoyed on its own?

>>83965922
All of the self-publishing companies I've seen require a certain DPI to get anything printed.

>>83966456
then what they really need, assuming they only have the standard printing size, is a certain pixel size to get printed.

>>83966396
drama, graphic novel like

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Looking into trying my hand at a comic eventually. Beyond the OP, what are some things that you wish you knew about creating comics before going in? Things you would have done differently?

>>83966684
mmmmm make it 10.

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>>83964630

ayyy lmao

jut made up this new cartoon style today, so its a bit wonky and not right yet: >>83961466
>>83967092

>>83966956
>what are some things that you wish you knew about creating comics before going in?

the amount of time it will take

>>83966956
>Dabble doing a comic
all my hopes and dreams

uhhh i kinda wish i'd managed to get a fandom earlier (or, yknow, at all) instead of just being like "oh well someday people will binge the archive and like it"
because nothing's as fun as attention WHILE you are still making it. People wondering what's going to happen next, and not knowing.
Shouldnt be a problem in your case

>>83967117
Good idea

Was probably gonna have about 5 chapters but 50 seems short for a graphic novel
It's not a very long story though

>>83967163
50 pages seems short**

>>83967163
so.. only 10 pages per chapter?
in any case, howbout you do enough pages that a person will get interested and wanna know what's next

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Finished this page!

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>TFW literally afraid to write

I know first drafts need a lot of fixing, but I'm scared. Send help.

>>83967544
well you fixed ONE of the 'your's

>>83967544
>your

>>83967645
>>83967722
Fixed.

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Remake of COMIC 4.

I going to put in texts and fix grammar that the grammar anon offer me (thank you again, Grammar anon).

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>>83967809

Old page 4.

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>>83967545
>tfw writing as you go

>>83967809
dont mean to punch your dreams, anon, but i don't think this is an improvement. >>83967832 looks nicer and more detailed.

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>tfw eventually you will die and your hosting will expire and your comic will disappear forever

>>83967741
>Fixed.
pfff, whatever you say, buddy

>>83968024
it'll be archived FOREVER

>>83968024
Not unless you get it in book form :^)

>>83968024
I have the inverse fear
What if my comic is cringeworthy but I can never fully purge it from the internet?

Even these threads aren't safe, because 4chan is archived.

>>83968280
oh no i thought the archive got destroyed which is why i felt ok posting here

>>83967544
>Finished this page!
No, you didn't

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>>83968048
>your comic is archived until the end of civilization
>still nobody reads it

>>83968357
we all had a talk with dewd and we agreed he shouldnt spend so much time putting in a bunch of shading that makes it all look too busy and loose. better to leave it out and work on the lines.

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>>83967119

applying this style to actual panels...

>>83967119

just made up this new cartoon style*

>>83967968
For real?

I thought people will hate the the first one art.

>>83968759
well, you have a long way to go, but I don't think this new version is improved.
i wanna say we've talked about how you'd best improve before but you said you weren't really interested in working hard and learning technique, right? so i won't bother you with it.

>>83967119
Oh hey, thanks, man! Really appreciate it!

Hmmm, maybe Urchin would look better with that skin color...

>>83968913
No wait, Types of Technique do you got?

It is fun?

>>83968969
well it's not a lot of fun, but it can be. you imagine creating characters out of shapes first, and making those shapes the right shape. that way you make a framework for everything to look good
that and drawing a lot bigger, yknow?

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>>83968721

bump

>>83968461
But he's not working on the lines. He's not working on ANYTHING. It's just an endless spray of shit and the stupid fuck who printed his book is dooming himself to failure. Nobody would want to join a publisher, much less a new one, with such garbage in the catalogue. Dewd is an eighteen year old man and he has absolutely no shame posting his porn comics on the internet as though somebody will actually be turned on by this content that looks like it was drawn by a five year old having a seizure . In b4 u mad? Yes I am 100% mad that anybody could think that this caliber of work is acceptable or an improvement. It's not a polished turd, it's a big, runny, stinky shit and it's making this thread impossible to occupy.

I keep telling myself it will get better but it won't. Dewd gets more replies than many talented artists in these threads. /hyw/ has a reputation for being shit because Dewd posts so much, so frequently, that he is over-represented. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. He brings down the whole group. It's not like he needs to quit - he just needs to fucking practice.

What's your /hyw/ crossover OTP?

>>83969068
>Dewd gets more replies than many talented artists in these threads
/co/ has always been more drawn to negativity.

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Still gotta find a way to make the water look good.

>>83969068
The post you replied to was in response to one and only one thing: "no it isn't (finished)"

>>83969068
u mad?

>>83969110
yes, but they were arguing it was finished because dewd was "focusing on his linework" but he's fucking not. he doesn't even do under-drawings or thumbnails. he just pumps it out as fast as possible. i've hit my dewd threshold tonight, buddy.

>>83969215
no, i was arguing that it looked unfinished because maybe you're used to the shading, which he's not doing anymore.
i'm sorry you have this problem, maybe you should filter him

>>83968994

Oh...

I am confuse.

>>83969278
not the guy you were replying to, but it looks unfinished because it's shit. there's literally nothing redeeming about it. no amount of shading, or overlays, or whatever the fuck, is going to make it look acceptable. it's like trying to redecorate a house that's been demolished.

>>83969361
yeah it can be rough for a beginner. have you checked out the various tools in the OP links? if you want to show us some of your practices, we can give feedback.

>>83969378
thanks for sharing

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>>83969017

color bump

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>>83969466

actually this one looks better, let me delete this white background one...

>>83969622

cant, nevermind then... >.>'

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>>83969622

im shading this to by the way

also this comic series will also be called "oo"

but will be different from the strips with the same style im making...

>>83967882

holy shit thats all i ever do! i just make shit up as i go, wish i had a writer man

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shady pages are easy pages.

>>83963524
does it count if i used a shitty walfas program to make it?

>>83970109
sure, there are no standards here

>>83969394
>various tools

What does that mean?

>>83970109
i've never even heard of walfas

>>83970189
iunno, i've never looked at them. but I know they're there. tutorials and stuff. useful resources... tips and techniques and stuff.

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>>83970189
another page update

my aim is comfy, and melancholy
There will be some humor with side characters but atm I'm just trying to lay a mood/theme

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>>83969979

bump

if im posting to much you guys would let me know right? :3

>>83970523
you're posting too much
it's worth a try

>>83968759
You're talking with coldfusion. Disregard his bad advice.

>>83969068
Amen. Really sick of seeing his uninspired fisher price comic. It wouldn't be as bad if he didn't have the other tripfag anonymously sucking his dick every fucking time without fail.

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>>83970523

left or right?

also weed lmao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE2rh4raGj0

ancient native mayans would have access to it, since weed is a native american plant, ya know? lol

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>>83971377

yeah its done, i could fit the dialog in, which was going to be: "could it be?" "it is!"

"ITS THE MOTHER LOAD! PRAISE QUETZALCOATL! IMMA CLIMB UP ON THE TALLEST MAYAN PYRAMID AND GET HIG AS A MOTHERFUCKER SON, AWWWWW YEAH BOY!"

lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9iTcDK4JU

>>83971536

i couldn't fit the dialog in*

>>83968024
>Sean Handyside: "Bad webcomics don't die...they just get archived for further humiliation."

"When I sleep, I see an ocean of stars above me and a lake of endless colours below me. I walk on the water and hear voices, but I cant understand them. I'm usually alone, but sometimes on the horizon, I think i see someone."

"What you're seeing is the psychic plain, it runs parallel to the physical world. It is where psycics like you pull thoughts and visions from and Its what us espers used to use to communicate with each other, until hundreds of years ago."

"Why don't you use it anymore?"

"there is something that lives there now, we espers tell our children 'watch out and behave, else the witch will get you', she is the veritable boogey man that even I, who you bloody lot call the "king of espers" pisses himself at the thought ot. Do yourself a favor love, stay out of the psychic plane"

>>83971631
you spelled it plain the first time

>>83971681

thought I got them all

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>>83971536

quick webcomic description: *this is a brand new webcomic im calling "oo" which is about an ancient mayan girl and her various adventures in ancient america before the genocide of an entire race and a war against the native american plant called "marajuana" aka "weed" aka "sticky icky" aka "da ganja mon" aka "dope" aka "the good stuff son" lol

seriously a harmless people and a harmless plant that did nothing wrong but have an almost endless amount of land to steal by way of war and capitalize on, and a smokeable erb with far better healing and relaxation than foreign mead(beer./alcohol) and drugs medicine etc... just saying

Who feels like getting activities started back up in these threads? I miss those.

I'll take bones over dewd. At least no one's pretending he's not a retard.

>>83972934
Same here.

>>83965922
>print doesn't "need" any DPI
It does, though. I worked at my college's print shop and DPI is incredibly important. We had so many kids popping up that needed to print their digital art projects and make them portfolio-grade and they looked like shit because they had a 72 DPI image with an image size of roughly 1200x1200. I'd have to show them where they fucked up, they'd have to run back to their dorms/homes and make changes (if they could), it was always a mess with lots of frustration.

If you actually print on good enough paper (i.e. not printer paper), you'll see the difference between 300 DPI and 72 DPI. It never, ever hurts to work bigger than you think you'll need, because raster will never scale up well enough.

>>83974373
What is DPI exactly? I don't notice any difference when I'm drawing.

>>83974449
Deep Pixel Inching
It's the amount of pixels crammed into a square inch.

>>83974506
>Deep Pixel Inching

You stop that.

>>83974550
>he didn't go to art school

>>83974449
Dots per inch. It's basically saying there are X number of dots per linear inch comprising the image. There's a lot of semantics that can be used to differentiate screen dots versus print dots (i.e. DPI vs PPI) but the principle remains the same. More dots per inch means a sharper image in almost (but not entirely) all applications.

>>83974716
professor dots over here

>>83972934
Newbie here, what were the activities?

>>83971792
>a harmless people that did nothing wrong
>almost constant ritual slaughter
>especially of babies

>get an idea for a comic
>holy shit it is so good it needs to be made
>working with an artist and not paying them is not cool
>too fucking poor to invest
>the idea is eating me alive as I write up shit about

I hate this so much, m8s.

>>83975139
learn to draw you lazy fuck

>>83974846
Basically, about a year ago, we used to have "thread activities" like, "draw your characters as part of a toyline", "draw your characters in an opposite universe", or "re-design someone else's character as you'd have done it"
They were actually pretty fun, but with 3-4 threads a week, it got harder and harder to think of actually entretaining activities

>>83972934
Hey, feel free if you've got one you'd like. It's not like participation is mandatory.

>>83974846
Basically, the opening post would include a prompt like "draw your character at the beach" or "reimagine your comic except reversed" or "come up with the alternate costumes your character would have in the fighting game"

It got dropped at some point because people weren't showing a lot of interest. Before that we had prompts like "discuss this established web comic and what makes it (not) work" or "discuss X aspect of webcomicking" like "explain the design decisions behind your main character".

>>83975139
So find an artist that feels like the comic is as cool as you do and make him your partner and equal. Or start drawing yourself. Or hock the script at something like Image and see if they like it enough to partner you with an artist.

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progress, sorta

>>83975560
Eyeball monster's teeth are a little sketchy, still.
Is the barcode forehead guy in panel 1 coming through the window?

>>83975620
No, hmm, I'll need to make it look like his body is pressing against the glass.
Maybe the window reflections will make it more convincing, once I implement it, but I need to experiment on how to draw/paint a blurry city speeding past first.

>>83975724
Doe she have a lower body? It seems strange that we can't see it. That one little spot of white under the brunette's arm is angled a lot like the windowsill would be.
Also, just noticed, the perspective on those handles coming out of the ceiling is really off. It looks like the one she's holding is attached behind the barcode guy.

i want lewd fanart but i don't want anything that could be tracked back to me so that my metaphorical hands are clean.

ah decisions.

>>83975875
That's why you learn how to draw with multiple styles.

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Getting a Parblo Coast 10 drawing tablet tomorrow. Pretty hyped, hopefully it'll help me increase my completion rate for artwork. Doing all of my artwork with a mouse was getting exhausting.

>>83975818
no lower body, just some kinda exposed spine, I looked through my previous pages, but I never showed her ('It's', actually) body clearly enough, a mistake I didn't think of at the time.
Yeah, there are several perspective inconsistencies, but I'm not sure how to correctly draw the handles in particular. (Maybe just extend the cord past the frame?)

Brunette? The far right one? I think you're right on the windowsill though

>>83976076
>The far right one?
No, the girl in the center of panel 1. There's a little triangle of white under her arm which I assume is barcode creature's bottom. If it didn't align so well with where the windowsill would go, it wouldn't look like it was coming in through the window.

The handle the brunette is holding on to should definitely go all the way out of frame. Likewise with the one on the left, if you want to be consistent.

>>83976233
>little triangle of white under her arm which I assume is barcode creature's bottom
Ah, I see,
The body doesn't extend back, but rather straight down, I'll change it to hopefully make it more clear. I'll fill in that white space too in order to not mislead. Hopefully.

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>upload work
>0 views
I'm considering doing fanart to get views. But, someone has told me that if I actually make an original work people will want to read, Ill get fans. But idk what to do because I put my heart into that other one. Does anyone have any stories about a celebrity or something who never had to shill to get views?

>>83976032
on a scale of 1-10, how intuitive do you think it'll be?

>>83976532
Fanart helps get eyes on your work.

>>83976532
Link?

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>>83976651
Depends on what you mean. It just came out this month and has all positive reviews from what I can tell. Not to mention it was only $300. I did some heavy research on my different options and talked to people who owned them and think it's my best option considering my budget.

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>>83976532

Show your work and we might be able to do business. I helped Dewd.

Then again, I deal in nsfw comics, so there's that to keep in mind.

Every few years I get inspired to start a webcomic and every time I remember that I can't actually draw. Tfw, anybody?

>>83978350
You know if you'd started the first time, you'd probably be a decent artist by now.
The best time to have started learning to draw is ten years ago. The second best time is right now.

>>83978381
Yeah I remember I started at least once. Posted a handful of little comics on tumblr. I bet I'd be ashamed to see them now. I guess I lost enthusiasm or run out of ideas or something.

>>83969986
Why are they pregnant? Is it a fetish comic?

>>83978483

It is.

>>83978483
It could just be a comic about one of those expecting mothers groups.

>>83967119
See, c'mon, don't pick on someone who's actually doing a half decent job.

>>83975308
I've been practicing for several years. I've chiseled out a way to express my ideas via concept sketches, but nothing visually stellar digitally.

>>83976032

nice

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Are there websites for HTML's for comic layouts? The one on comicfury is pretty lacking. I can't seem to find any.

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>tfw every day new comics being created while you're still stuck in a rut

I may be in the wrong place, I've been working on what I hope will become an actual comic with the possibility of going to kickstarter or similar to publish.

Ive been on this site before, gloating about my "big stuff" coming up, but all of my projects have been sidelined by life (both good and bad aspects) and have only worked on my story in my head as i drift off to sleep each night.

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>>83974979

good mourning idiot

first of all you act like we dont have abortions today and have had them since the 50's as far as i know and have killed literally million times more babies than the ancient mayans ever did if they even did it

because second of all, history is written by the winners, and winners of ancient wars, especially in the western civilization burns all the books, texts, houses, temples and destroys statues, recycles jewlery and melts golden trinkets into bars and yes, even literally decides how history remembers the war and what the people were like who they fought

quick non native american example of this is how the romans changed the history of several civilizations history thought were barbarians for hundreds and thousands of years like the saxons until archeology has recently proved otherwise and the reverse, the romans were the barbarians and the so called barbarians were far more advanced and civilized than the romans were

tl;dr your and idiot fuck off, go learn some shit before you start talking shit

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Hungry?
Let Will Draw for Food sate that appetite for you!

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Not enough?
Here's another!

Always early and seen before anyone else, just for you, /co/!

>>83980867
holy fucking shit you go bones.

>>83980915
oh god that pisses servers off to no end, now they leave "million dollar bills"

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>>83972935

dont project your mental retardation and autism on to me you autistic mentally retarded fuck wad!

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>>83980776
why did you post this

>>83981278
Trying to validate why I have nothing to post so long after first posting here

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>>83981353

>>83980867
>>83980921
Here's your double (you).

Bones is like Dewd's evil twin. They're both obvious autists, but this one should've been thrown in the fucking attic.

>>83980776
You remind me of that guy who was shilling in here a while back for his Kickstarter about a comic book "where real-life rappers are superheroes" and it was some of the worst shit ever and he was convinced it was gold and he would reach his funding goal.

I don't think he even raised $50.

>>83980915
I hope you're not planning on showing that one to any other people. It's really, really unfunny. Like, Dave Willis level.

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>>83981419
>I don't think he even raised $50.
link? doesn't KS save all the projects?

>>83980882
>>83980915
These gags are stale.
Your compositions are unnecessarily cluttered and it sometimes makes stuff difficult to read.
Your symbol drawing relies on stale borrowed symbols, and this weird flounder mouth is just the icing on the kind of crappy cake.

You can do better. Spend more time coming up with material in a sketchbook (both written and drawn), don't feel compelled to use all of it, and think a little harder about your execution.

>too many ideas for a story
>love them all and want to see each one turned into a comic
>just as I start to work on one I start to become invested in another

How do I break this cycle /hyw/

>>83981419
I plan to have a significant portion done before I even put anything on Kickstarter, I plan on using Kickstarter as a source of publishing investments as well as a measure of any sort of popularity and see if it'd be worth it to do anything else similar.

I want to be paid after the work, not during.

>>83981920
Throw all of them away. None of them are good.

Gag stuff or story?

>>83981920
tell me when you figure it out, I attempted to put one project per day each week (if you have more than 7 projects, you have a problem)

I have widdled my potential projects to 4, 2 comics 2 animations

>>83981920
Hop back and forth between them. Out of the comics I'm working on right now, one has been in progress for a year and the other has been in progress for 5. 'M hopping back and forth between working on them right now when I can. It's alright.

Unless you mean you're constantly coming up with new ideas. Then I don't know how to help you. Maybe keep a journal where all your comic concepts can stay until you can focus on one or two at once?

>>83981920
Pick the shortest one and force it.

>>83980867
1. The Mayans had abortions too. And also human sacrifice of real people, not just embryos.

2. The word civilization means the building of cities. The Romans were a text-book definition of a civilization, the barbarians were the opposite. And advanced? No.

3. Cannabis comes from central Asia and India. It's not Mayan. Not sure where you got that idea except for modern drug trafficking out of Mexico.

>>83980882
This one is Dobson-tier, bud.

But don't worry, honestly, almost all gag comics have some stinkers

>>83981920
Might not work for you, but I ended up combining all my stories into one premise. Combined all the different characters so it seemed like the resulting new characters were more interesting and lively. The many different stories were either experienced by the characters one after the other, like episodes, or melded into the backstories of other characters

>>83982067
Do not reply to bones. Filter bones.

>>83982067
>>83980867

Don't do this here.

>>83982117
because that totally works

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>>83982072
Reminder to never let yourself become dobson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9O5ItmZf84

>>83980882
I don't mean to shit on you, but this is painfully unfunny. A big part of the kind of humor you're going for is defying expectations. As such, you should try for swerves that aren't the very first punchline someone would think of.

>>83982067
Cannabis was introduced to the west first as hemp, the wonder material of it's time with low to nearly non-existant levels of THC.

>>83982117
>>83982121
I get the feeling some newcomers came into this thread since bones was absent, therefore not know how much of a fraud he is

>>83982254
I've been on this kind of thread off and on since #80 I believe, could you enlighten me on Bones?

>>83982329
He does terrible comics and spams and shitposts.
Don't know if he's a very dedicated troll or just really dumb, but there's nothing to be gained from interacting with him. He never listens and he never says anything worth listening to.

>>83980882
Your joke has some merit to it, albiet a bit unoriginal

You could easily make the joke work. Problem is that you are both using words that too complex for the joke and that the joke is stretched on for too long.
imo, and take it with a grain of salt, keep the punchline to the last panel, and use shorter, more disgusting words. Brevity is the soul of wit, my friend. Instead of a string of multi-syllable words that give connotations of disgust, choose a shorter word that feels disgusting, like 'moist'

>>83980915
This would be much funnier if he was asking for God to please help him escape poverty in the first panel.

>>83982184
>tfw you're worse than dobson.

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>>83982683
>>83980915
Nah, the joke wouldve been better if he just cut off the last panel
I think I bit of the problem is he's suffering from B^U Syndrome, where he's making the joke go on for too long or adding one panel too many

>>83982810
This has been done a million times, too

>>83982683
Or if he put the same dollar in the tithing box at the church and had a church worker/nun/priest mirror his response.

>>83982107
As much as I'd love to do something like that, I mostly wanted to do something a bit less complicated for my first project.

>>83982856
It would be amazing if putting fake church money in the basket was the entire joke, and finding it wasn't even shown. The audience can easily fill in those blanks on their own.

>>83982254
I'm fully aware of Bones. It's why I don't take these threads seriously anymore or post my webcomic.

>>83983137
>I know there's bad stuff in these threads
>So now I don't post anything good
Way to be part of the problem.

>>83982237
Cannabis was first introduced to the New World as hemp. Spaniards needed hemp for rope and sails, so they grew hemp plantations.

As far as recreational use goes, it's been used for thousands of years, longer than the written record. And again, fuckall to do with the Mayans.

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I'll be able to finish on time. I probably wont be able to sleep tonight but at least it's inked.

>>83983431
Are you coloring above your inks? That's really interesting.

>>83982184
Dobson was actually a small motivation for me when I first started.
I knew my art was decent, and always made fun of Dobson, but it hit me that he had actually made (several) comics while I was just sitting on my ass doing character design for stories that never would be. I was in no position to shitpost about him.

>>83974373
that's my point. 1200 is too small no matter what. it's just that 1200 at 70 DPI is like a postcard, whereas 1200 at 300dpi is like a stamp. the DPI is irrelevant, it's all pixels that matters.

>>83974846
shit, we should repost them all. next time the thread is dyingly slow let's dig up those old good times. they whip up interest, i tell you what

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I've been doing some polishing and editing to the scripts for my occult detective comic ''Long Fall''. And started with the first issue where my main character's been lost in Hell for months after being brutally murdered, and is finally found and saved by Satan himself, who gives him another chance in life.

>>83975620
>sketchy
are those not meant to be bristly eyelash things?

>>83974979
hopefully you have now learned your lesson not to reply to bones

>>83983575
Yeah why this?

>>83984426
It looks like they're on a multiply layer above the inks. I'm curious if that makes it harder to add highlights and shading on top of the flats.

>>83980882
oof. that is an old joke.. and why would she be asking him to..
>>83980915
i don't even get this one, but it's wacky.
>>83980938
ohhh it's fake money? that's kind of a dick move, guys. cmon. jesus specifically said not to dick people around about money. and he was talking to jews.
also nuns dont wear habits anymore but it's allowed in fiction

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>>83969100
try adding thick, light lines for highlights of the tops of waves, and then dark patches for the shadows
keep the light source and perspective in mind

something like this, but simplified to match the style, and whatever color you want the water to be, i guess

keep trying at it until it looks right, then remember what you did for next time

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if a literal autist, who is 5 years older than you, unironically wants to kill you and will probably try to copy your artwork and impersonate you to make your life a misery, should you create a different account to upload your work so he can't stalk you anymore?

>>83984228
Where are his shirt cuffs? I am not sure I said this already, but I hate and love these drawings at the same time.
It kinda looks like you are tracing the poses, but then again maybe it's the fault of the brush, which gives a nice clean lineart, but also at the same time it looks like a cheap vector drawing...

>>83984513
Is blocking/reporting etc not an option?

>>83984580
don't reply to bones

>>83984238
I always thought they were eyelashes.

>>83984228
I love your art. I'm excited for this comic. Maybe it's just me but the lettering looks a little too squished together.

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>>83984617
How am I supposed to tell?!

>>83984470
that is bootiful. but i think that's more for a lake, outside in the light. dustin is drawing a stagnant underground swamp pool here, so I think using a reference for swamp water would be more accurate. I just looked some up, and I see two kinds
A) perfectly still, mirror-surface with only the tiniest ripples, which make the water look "greasy"
B) mirror surface interrupted by patches of gross algae shit growng in it, which aren't reflective

>>83984561
Oh, good catch! Completely forgot those.

Anyway, yeah, I'm still figuring stuff out, and trying to get my style and technique just right (for me at least). And about that tracing, no, I don't trace, but obviously used a reference photo.. I pretty much always do, just to get that realistic credibility and ''groundedness'' into the story.

How the FUCK do I use a tablet. It's just black plastic and I can't hold it up to the screen or my arms will get tired

>>83984798
Keep your old work up. It'll be easier to prove that it's originally yours.

>>83984798
i didnt catch the 'he has threatened to kill you' part
we all get weird fucked up fans but theyre usually harmless.

>>83984843
look at this fool

>>83984843
move your mouse to the side and set your tablet where your mouse goes. it'll be natural for your hand to just stay there and draw. you don't have to have it anywhere near your screen, you'll get used to doing just what you do with a mouse, except better and with precision
if your tablet doesn't come with little legs to prop it up, i suggest leaning it on something because it's a lot easier when you arent pressing straight down

>>83984843
?

Learn hand-eye coordination or get a screen tablet

>>83984904
That might work, thanks

>>83985093
deviantart does i know that

You're really worrying about nothing. just keep reporting him on each site, eventually he'll grow up or be taken to the funny farm

>>83985093
Tumblr does.

>>83985093
I think you're doing the right thing by ignoring and reporting him.
Sure, you could start a new account if you're really worried, but you'll have to build your following up from the ground again and it's entirely possible that something similar happens again. Or even that the weirdo finds your new account.

>>83981920
I had the same exact problem and in the end I just decided to make a webcomic that includes all of the ideas as short stories to solve the problem since all of them can't fit as one long running comic.

>>83985188
>>83985211
>>83985279
I checked. thanks. yeah, after dealing with this guy, i lost my tolerance for waifuism

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Abnor guy here.
So... the other day we lost our proofreader, and this page went up with a few errors, he also never got around to fix the first pages, we never even got a notice, he just vanished.
We are kinda hoping for another reader with a good soul to save us. We release a page and a comic strip every week, and we would give them for you to read in advance each week on skype or wherever you prefer. Would anyone like to volunteer?

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WIP of the next page!

>>83985623
Message armguy on tumblr. I might be able to help you out. When do you need feedback by?

Juneau guy, did you just upload like 6 pages at once? because.. yknow, one per day is fine.

>>83985608
don't get yourself wrapped up in association fallacy. hitler liked dogs.

>>83985924
>that foreshortening in panel 4
Oh, Dewd. Always good for a laugh.

>>83986069
arr and i'll be the backup. i'm in the threads all the time so if you ever wanna just post a page i'll proofread it in here
>>83985924
panel 3: gets*

also you should probably watch the arm lengths on juan. the poncho must be confusing you because those are all over the place.

>>83985623
3
>I'm flattered [that]
Also what do you mean by "shred"?
6
>[in] which direction
>please, help us catch [them?]
>[these] waters are [crawling] with pirates, [we'll be safer with (your/their) ship]
8
>that's [crazy] talk
>you're on my ship, [I demand your respect]
(or leave it, it's fine)
9
>It would be easy to catch up [to them]
or
>It would be easy to catch [them]
16
>Ship in sight


If you post it here, I'm sure anons are willing to help out

>>83985623
>is in agreement about the fact that
agrees that

Not an error, but probably flows better.

>>83985924
>panel 5
>arm grows longer to snake out and point at annabeth instead of properly lifting the poncho up

if you aren't gonna bother with doing things properly you might as well have given him an easier-to-pose outfit.

>>83986549
i think it's better he uses the challenges of new outfits to learn how to draw cloth properly!
you can do it dewd it's not too hard. think of it like a dress for your shoulders.
actually the 'holding annabeth at arm's length' bits are okay, except his arms are too short (remember if you cant reach your honker you can't jack off)

>>83986734
he should learn how to draw cloth properly before attempting to put them into his comic. it'll just end up looking bad if he uses his comic as his own experimental playground.

>>83986807
there's logic to that, but a comic is a fantastic experimental playground. it's not as if any amount of pre-practice would make this one a masterpiece. Might as well leave it as a monument of experimentation. Like those beatles songs where they got really fucked up on LSD and just played the same note constantly

>>83986807
His comic looks like complete fucking garbage anyway, might as well let him learn through it.

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>Think of a great name for my villains
>Name's already taken
>mfw


anyone else have something similar happen?

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>>83986214
Took me a second. How the fuck is this art so atrocious after such a long runtime?

>>83986934
it happens, but if it's something anyone could have thought of, no problem really. people will understand. like if it's an obvious pun or something.

>>83986934
What was the name, anon?

>>83986934
Then it wasn't very great, was it?

>>83986934
Yep, had it happen with a MC's name a while back. I ended up abandoning that project for other reasons though.

>>83986971
It was "The Machine Orthodoxy". Turns out Wizards of The Coast already has that for MTG

>>83987007
So only nerds will recognize the name. You're not making a comic for nerds, are you?

>>83986978
the fact that it was taken probably indicates it is quite great.
>>83987007
oh. or not. jesus that's terrible. and better alternatives are so obvious. roborthodoxy. cybereligion. automadogma. mechanicreed.

>>83987007
It's not that great a name to begin with.

>>83987102
n....no.

>>83987102
That's pretty specific though. and WotC are pretty sue-happy.
>>83987158
wait, you're not?

>>83987151
>automadogma


I like it.

>>83986995
I was going to make a lost vikings-style game about a trio of vikings that travel through the underworld to rescue a dead woman, but then it turned out the name "Heldivers" would probably have gotten me sued.

>>83987396
Unless you want to submit this to Dreamworks, I suggest you trying different expressions other than the DW face.

>>83987396
The realistic textures clash horribly with the lineart and general stylization. I can't say for sure because it's just heads, but I can't imagine it working out.

>>83986069
>>83986258
>>83986549

The writer already contacted armguy, thanks for the response anons!

>>83987593

Wait, why did I tag this guy >>83986549
I meant to tag you >>83986246

>>83986950
Complacency is an artist's greatest sin

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>Think my writing is good
>Spend years getting my art up to par
>Now happy with my art
>Realize my writing is trash
>Never practiced writing while I was drawing

Send help

>>83988117
Work on your writing. Get crits on some outlines or scripts/thumbs from people who can write.

>>83988117
Use your favorite writers, books, tv shows and comics as your guide. Figure out what you want to write, and how you want to write it.

>>83988117
>>83988209
>>83988433
Read a fucking book.

>>83988117
Start reading books, maybe some good comics for something easier to read, and to get a feel for how narration works in the format. Stay away from mangas, they usually suck (read Yotsubato though, the only exception I can think of right now).

Looking for a name for my new comic.
It's about the blackmarket behind superhero costumes.

Thoughts?

>>83988551
interesting. a more realistic take on the concept of Atomic Laundromat, a comic I'm fond of.
I'm thinking call it "Threads"

>>83988551
Capes

>>83988117
Your mistake was you thought you were good.

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I made a concept art of my heroine

What do you think?

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doing some test pages, my favorite panel so far

>>83988644
Not good at all. You probably need to spend some time with /ic/ or batman.

>>83988700
Nice.

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>>83988644

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>>83988700
Woops forgot to add the shadow

>>83988551
>Cape & Foul

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>>83988584
Capes and shit

>>83988700
I only see Donald Duck in the thumbnail.

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>>83963524

*AND SO IT BEGINS AGAIN, A BRAND NEW BLAZE OF BURNING PAGES, FREE SCRIPT OF THE 7TH BLAZE OF DEMON JUICE HERE: http://pastebin.com/hyb4Xt6V

just finished a brand new page of demon juice, on the fence on coloring it or not before i do the word balloons, if i color it now, then i will have to color all the pages, but if i leave it black and white then thats how the hole chapter should look, just one big black and white chapter.... i dont know yet

and yes im ignoring all my bitch ass haters, there dumb, im not lol, fuck em

>>83988644
Heroine is one helluva drug.

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>>83990145

literally mfw all those hater comments from out of no where lol

>>83990145

dang the script preview is full of spelling errors and there is no way to fix any of them the way pastebin works

>>83990145
>there dumb
>im not
Retarded and gay
>>83990229
Gay and retarded

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>TFW can't get motivated enough to write scenes that don't have your waifus in them

>>83990719
>putting more than 1 waifu in your comic
you are destroying your laifu

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>>83990719
>Not making directly comic about waifus

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>when your readership goes down every update

>>83991541
How do you even track that? Page views?

>>83991541
It's your fault for no cock teasing content

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>>83991541
>when your readership cannot physically go down any more

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>>83990145

maybe i can color and shade the whole chapter in one color?

or am i just being a lazy faggot and should just color my pages like i always do?

>>83988899
I like this. Reminds me of Fantasy Sports a bit. Or uhhh Necropolis. I think I'm getting both those titles wrong.

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>>83990145
>>83992651

maybe something like this?

>>83988644
looks like me desu

>>83993965
But does it look like LITERALLY you?

>>83993218
i like the color a lot, like you could sort of try to tilt the mood of the page with emotional colors and that's pretty neat. but the shading kind of makes the dude look like he's covered in oil. might be kind of cool to do a less blendy shading, just using solid colors but just a slight change between two shades.

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>>83993218

i think its done maybe?????

more pages here: http://demonjuice.thecomicstrip.org/

not uploading it until im sure its done, im going to eat dinner and think about whether or not i should color it or not............?????

>>83994528
thanks!!!!!!!!!! i will try that when i get back home!

>>83994528
Coldfusion giving art advice to bones.

>>83994771

quick note before i leave: im not calling emer Demon Juice anymore, even though thats his nick name, im just calling him emer and everyone else is going to call him emer from now on to since this is no longer an action fighting comic and more of a down to earth day to day slice of life comic about the most powerful

there will still be fight scenes but they will be very rare and not the main focus anymore... i have my reasons for doing this and have been wanting to do this for a long time

instead of rushing from fight scene to fight scenes to show off each characters moves i just want to write and draw the characters and who they are and how the act and react to the world and the people around them ya know?

>>83994798
that's the first time you've IDd me wrong. you're pretty good at that most of the time

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Taking forever to finish anything today. No sleep no sleep at all for me.

>>83994977
>Green snot
oh jeez, a runny nose was enough, but she's sick too? hahaha kids are gross sometimes. i just went to a restaurant with a kid with a nasty sounding cough. why would you bring a sick kid out to eat? maybe he was just bad at drinking and inhaled water i dunno
i would still lighten it a bit, maybe change the outline from black to dark green

>>83995041
Outline is dark green.

>>83994977
I have yet to draw and ink 20 panels on my main page + draw 4 panels of a comic strip on pencil due monday. I will probably end up doing nothing until friday, where I won't sleep the whole weekend trying to finish it like always. Why do I do this

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>>83995041

>>83994874
Retarded
>>83994771
And gay

>>83994937
Was bound to get it wrong eventually. Guess even you know better than to chit chat with bones.

>>83995144
oh
wow the texture of those lines is lovely but surprising
i dunno, i guess i'd like to see the outline a lighter green, but that is a mild desire.

>>83990145
>>83992651
>>83993218
Do you listen to anyones criticism? You remind me of this foreign kid who I went to school with who was really strange and would pinch people cheeks when he talked to them , I just want to grab you and tell you to chill

>>83995269
I tried it before. It doesn't look good.

Even smooth paper has some texture. From far away it looks smooth at least.

>>83995280
don't talk to bones. anything you can think of to say has been said before.

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>>83995280
Don't reply to him.

Y'all I stopped smoking weed and plan to focus on working out and finally start my webcomic wish me luck, I'll be on here in sometime and plan to story time the motherfucker when some of it is done

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>>83995385
>anything you can think of to say has been said before
But well worth repeating.
Like "retarded", or "gay".

>>83995392
I like how he's proud of accomplishing something Chris-chan has.
Actually, if anything, Chris is the more accomplished author having more printed books than him.

>>83988899
>>83988700
This looks very cool, and nice dubs. Not sure if this is helpful or not, but what pose/position is the person in the foreground in? To me, it looks like the blue material is a bed but their posture makes me imagine that they're standing up straight, rather than kneeling or something.

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>>83986934
>Name my characters after gods.
>Cut off the lame parts of the name. And leave in the cool parts.

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>>83995216

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Sorry for not posting here more! About to enjoy a more "adventure" turn in this comic-

>>83975560
this looks really neat! A dark magic world?

I'm trying to come up with a name to go by online. How'd you come up with yours?

>>83996181
I just used my real name for my comic. It's not a big deal.

>>83996181
Really, I just kind of made sure that it didn't reference anything already out there, that nobody else was using it, and that it kind of sounded like a name on some level. Personally, I think whatever name you choose should sort of agree with the usual tone of your content, if that makes any sense.

>>83996181
I think you're overthinking.
People won't read your comic because you came up with a witty name or not.

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>>83996181
I used the name of one of the first characters I created. Mostly because the autistic my teen self picked for forums and etc were mostly used, so I used his name, and since it stuck, I kept using it for everything, games, usernames, everything.

I like it because it sounds like a real name, I'm not sure I would like to be called today Rockman_roxx, kek

>>83996181
just like, what are you about, dude?

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Reposting from last thread - planning on launching this comic around the end of summer.

>>83996041
Love your lighting/colors (as usual.)

>>83994977
I think this is my favorite Mimi so far! Super cute.

>>83984228
Do you have a tumblr to follow? I really like your linework.

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>>83996620

>>83996181
I used poodledooples for an art blog I made in 2012, and I never changed it because more people know my handle than my given name. The biggest problem with poodledooples that I've noticed so far is how easy it is to misspell.

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>>83996744

>>83996744
wait a minute, doesn't that clash with the explanation you gave me last thread, that rising freshman is middle school but freshman is in high school?

is there a specific guide that helps with short stories or no?

>>83996794
It's the summer between middle school and high school. They're in grade limbo.

>>83996824
so that makes them the 'rising' ones you described, yeah?

oh i'm an idiot, i missed the words 'with' and 'at the' in both of those word bubbles. i saw 'in' both times. ignore me.

>>83996608
I love to develop characters and then the worlds they live in. I love to write, preferably in script format. I despise drawing, though I can do it if required to convey an idea. I like to edit videos.

I'm skilled at horror, drama, and suspense. I'm weak at comedy that isn't my kind of comedy, I suppose.

My ideas range from milf magical girls to lesbian pirates to a bust blonde saccharine serial killer. And many more.

>>83997111

>My ideas range from waifus to waifus to a waifu

this thread in one sentence

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I have a really shitty job now. However, I work three 12 hour shifts on MTW and I'm done for the week. I'll be up at six to ink this shit tomorrow. Hopefully I can get two more pages done before the close of the weekend.
Tonight I'm going to read Master of Kung Fu.

>>83997111
i feel like you'd go by The Editor or something. or 'scary jeff' or something if you like horror. or boobwriter.
i dunno what's your favorite superpower? that's how i picked mine. if you like fire, fire joe. if you like lightning, electric joe. if you like wind, electric joe.

>>83997401
As a total flaming lesbian, I wholeheartedly admit that I love to create attractive women that are also empowering. I can't help it. It is my favorite thing to do.

There are plenty of male-dominated stories in my arsenal, too.

>>83997449
Hm... I think you may have given me an idea. Thanks, m8.

>>83984175
But that's only half of the picture. We’re interchangeably talking about the effects of DPI with PPI here (which, again, opens up a can of semantics worms, but it's down to the distinction between print and screen, which are not identical and should not be treated as such) and it’s drawing us into conversational circles. Also I’m using this post as a tutorial launching pad, so don’t consider this a personal attack or confrontation because it’s not. It’s just me pointing out things I see a lot and maybe helping people.

First and foremost, this needs to be stressed from a professional angle: if you have any aspirations for your work being printed, do NOT create documents based on pixel size, and especially do not do that with low DPI. That’s a huge mistake. If in the back of your head you think “well, it’d be nice to print this one day,” for god’s sake, stop selecting pixels as the unit of measurement when making a new document in Photoshop. It NEEDS to be inches.

And with that said, this is where DPI matters. When seen in the context of inches rather than pixels (and that was my mistake in simplifying the conversation with just pixels rather than bringing up inches, as DPI is fundamentally a discussion about print) DPI is insanely, hugely important to your documents. Yes, you can have a 1200x1200 image at 72DPI, and it will look fine on your site. But do the math, divide it up. In print (with the industry baseline of 150DPI), the density of dots are meager. You’re stuck with an image that maxes out at roughly 7”x7” before it visually degrades when scaled up.
>[con't]

>>83997919
>[con't]
That can be fine for some, but imagine this scenario: You make a new document for your webcomic and set it to just look ok for your site, so it’s not all that big and is set for 1200x1200 pixels at 72DPI. Then, overnight, you explode with popularity, and one of the panels on the aforementioned document becomes your most iconic image ever. And now you’re heading to SDCC, and are making a 3’x8’ banner for your booth, and you want to include your iconic panel image front and center, but… that one little panel is printing out as 3.5” before it looks like jagged shit. Whoops! You fucked up, and no magic spell is going to fix it, just a lot of grinding away to redraw and soften what you can.

Now, imagine that you set your document up in inches instead of pixels for, say, 16”x16” at 300DPI. Same scenario, same drawn image, same booth banner requirement. Because you are at 300DPI, you can scale that fucker pretty big in print. It’ll go to twice its native size without problems when going to print, and with proper printing techniques could even be done up 4 times as large without breaking the visual quality due to the inborn large scale.

That’s pretty much it. That’s my case for high DPI. And also using inches instead of pixels when creating a new document. This is just my view as someone that worked in a print shop and is a graphic designer by trade.

>>83996041
Always nice to see your stuff here.

>>83997919
>you can have a 1200x1200 image at 72DPI, and it will look fine on your site. But do the math, divide it up. In print (with the industry baseline of 150DPI), the density of dots are meager. You’re stuck with an image that maxes out at roughly 7”x7” before it visually degrades when scaled up.
the same exact thing would happen if you made a 1200x1200 image at 300DPI

>>83998139
Right, but again this is hopping in between conversation points and missing the bigger issue. By using pixels as your unit of measurement, you potentially shoot yourself in the foot, and DPI becomes a secondary factor of pain. A 1200x1200 image at 300DPI is 4"x4" in native relative size.

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I had taken a few days off to try and straighten out the plot some more, but once I was done, I started feeling a sense of disappointment. It took a lot of the excitement away, knowing exactly what was going to happen. I think I'm starting to realize that it's better for me to go on in the general direction, but without a clear-cut destination.

Just thinking about how much I want to do feels overwhelming, but I will continue on.

>>83998325
i guess my point is that right now big enough is big enough. it doesn't matter which one you use because the minimum decent drawing canvas size is also the minimum printing size at a decent DPI. it seems bass-ackwards to me to concern oneself with DPI when it's the size of the eventual print that decides DPI and until then it's all theoretical. changing the DPI doesnt change the image at all, and only one precise DPI is going to fit the image nicely onto a piece of paper.

>>83998467
>it seems bass-ackwards to me to concern oneself with DPI when it's the size of the eventual print that decides DPI and until then it's all theoretical
But that's not true. There's nothing theoretical about DPI, it's actual numbers that you can plug in and ascertain what sizes you're going to get in real world prints.

I'm not laying this down like it's heresy to do a screen-readable image size at 72DPI, but people need to be completely aware of how incredibly limiting that is for real world printing applications. If you were to send an image to a professional printer and the PSD was made spec'd for screen, you'd be in for a rude awakening for what is delivered back to you.

>>83998564
>what sizes you're going to get in real world prints.
yes, and since the real world print size is "the size of the paper" your DPI will end up being decided by that. it might be some wonky number like 280 dpi in the end. it might be 312. but if it looks pixely when you resize it down to 1000px for web, it's going to look pixely when you resize it down to the size of the paper.