Homestuck

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This won't happen with hiveswap right?
Hussie won't disappoint right??
JOEY WILL SAVE US RIGHT???

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>>83922166
no

Do any of you regret donated get to the homestuck Kickstarter?

>>83922166
Man /v/ is gonna be unbrowseable for days now

>>83922266
In other words, it'll be just like every other day on /v/.

Who's the most ebin character?

Troll Tier List

Best Tier
Aradia
Sollux
Tavros

Meme Tier
Eridan (Our prince)
Nepeta

Boring Tier
Kanaya
Feferi

Shit and has terrible fans Tier
Vriska
Gamzee

Cuck Tier
Karkat

Slut Tier
Terezi

>>83922295
Vriska if you mean it in a bad way.

>>83922295
eri

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Hello, hope everyone had a nice weekend. Here is one of Angel's trolls. I've been drawing all of the fan trolls in the same file, and so far Desida is the shortest one

>>83922308
when is it not used in a bad way

>>83922328
When it's being used ironically.

>>83922304
Why are Sollux and Tavros up there? And you forgot about Equius.

>>83922327

Looks great!

>>83922369
Void powers OP

>>83922266
i haven't been to /v/ in years, especially since /vg/ appeared

Classpectanon style analysis of Karkat's land because I'm bored and autistic.

Land of Pulse and Haze.

A planet made of black rocks and sand and a vast body of water, making formations of beachs, rivers, and lakes. The landscape is scattered with stone fortresses and bridges both above water and underwater. The consorts, the crabs, used to live a carefree life, until Mars, the denizen, turned the water bright red. The water is still perfectly fine, but the crabs have an irrational fear and hatred of it, and refuse to go inside, thus slowly dehydrating to death. Worse, some noticed that the water changed when the Knight of Blood entered their land, so they refuse to co-operate with him. To reach your denizen, you must solve a series of bullshit puzzles and riddles, but they are all in the underwater castles, which you could only navigate through with the help of the crabs, because only they can see through the opaque red water. No matter how you stop Mars, the water will remain red, so you must convince the crabs to accept it before they all die.

Karkat of course thought this was all the part of the game mocking him, and cheated with the help of Terezi's Seer powers, Vriska's vision omni-fold, and Tavros' commune ability.

Why did the main troll ultimately do almost nothing in the end?

>>83922446
Because Vriska is worst troll.

>>83922467
Well, I meant Karkat but sure.

>>83922266
>/v/ is gonna be unbrowsable for days now
Did I stumble back to 2004

>>83922454
I think alt-Calliope should end up becoming the final antagonist since her name is pronounced ka-LIE-o-p, her symbol represents deceit, and Tavros speculated that Lord English wouldn't be the final boss.

>>83922454
>>83922498
Also Nepetasprite would deserve Karkat a hell of a lot more than Terezi.

>>83922542
nepetasprite doesn't exist

>>83922549
So are you suggesting the kids leave a nice troll dead for no reason? That'd be very out of character.

Also John can't zap the tiaratop off of Jane's head because it's embedded into her flesh and you can see the wires and stuff around her eyes so if you just zapped it away you would damage her face and probably brain.

Otherwise it's pretty good.

How are Feferi and Aradia not the same characters?

>>83922598
I don't agree that he did. Take Davepetasprite^2 for instance. All the doomed Daves and Nepetas had to break a lot of bricks with their heads to contribute to their ultimate selves.

>>83922624
Aradia was fascinated by chaos and death but never killed unless provoked, whereas Feferi longed for trolls to be able to live peacefully yet had to frequently murder numerous trolls, lusii and other beasts to keep globmom satisfied.

>>83922624
Aradia is a crazy chick who's down for anything whereas Feferi is a (relatively) sheltered princess who is probably much more inexperienced and cautious. Also Aradia can be pretty apathetic while Feferi is extremely enthused.

>>83922659
Anything else? (This is less about me thinking they're similar and more about me just wanting to hear more about their characters.)

>>83922637
what about the juju

Contributions Nepeta made to the plot:

>>83922749
bitch had nice feet

>>83922749
>not being Vriska
>not being Karkat

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>>83922151
Let's not and say we didn't

>>83922429
Now do Vriska's land.

>>83922749
OP of this, and I could only think of one actual reason; she helped control Equius.

>>83922749
She was comic relief by being cute. Also for LOLCAT being a land.

>>83922798
Go away Alice. SJWs get you tattoo'd on their shoulders.

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>>83922327
im so glad i couldnt sleep and decided to get up and browse hst
thank you anon it looks great

>>83922977
Why are all yellowbloods such fucking sluts?

>>83922977
Why does she always have a band-aid on her knee?

>>83923013
it hides a dark secret

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>>83923000
>mituna
>a slut ever
excuse you he is in a committed relationship

>>83923013
the bandaid is located at the exact height of her lusus' horns. its small and easily excitable and rams into things all the time

>>83923026
thats so cute
her lusus is so cute
what animal is it?

>>83923013
She is a kid, y'know. They get cut, scraped, bruised, get mauled by their own lusus, and knock their body parts into stuff all the time.

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>>83923042
its based off of a dik dik

>>83922801
I already did Tavros a few days ago, I'll try doing all 12. I have a general idea for LOCAS and LOWAA

>>83923056
AWW CUTE

So I've been gone since the beginning of the month, and when I checked MSPA on 6/12 I didn't see anything. Anyhow, what's everyone think of Volume 10?

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>>83923155
thank

>>83923177
The general consensus is that it's the best album. I agree.

>>83923047
>kid

not with those knockers

>>83923198
Fascinating. I've only listened to a few, but I plan on listening to the album in its entirety soon. Well at least that album is something to make this group relatively happy for the time being.

>>83923206
Vriska's got big fat spider tits, too, and she's only 7.5 sweeps old

What has happened with that classpect guy and the guy who was working on making some simple site for this personality test and a catalog of its results? Did that ever happen or is the scale I imagined the plans for that site being at inconsistent with what actually came of the site? I believe I remember the guy saying he *could* do what I heard, but if he didn't I don't blame him.

>>83922266
>/v/ is gonna be unbrowseable for days now
this is different from normal how

>>83923288
Ask him in a couple hours when he gets here

does anybody know what happened to rachel/softowl i actually liked her sketches

>you wvill nevwer slap Latula's butt

>>83923500
Wasn't she behind Paradox Space? In fact it might have been entirely her idea, not sure. Anyway she just completely dropped off the face of the internet and we're not even sure if she's still dating Hussie. It's almost as if she never existed.

I liked her art too. She was better than Hussie in some aspects, especially given she's a decade younger

>>83923560
it was her project

>>83922749
permanently damaged gamzee

>>83923566
What a ball she dropped, then. Conceptually the idea was good, but it just seems they hired random webcomic artists instead of people with actual, fun ideas. I mean look at what we come up with!

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Post Condesce!

>>83923589
>what we come up with
>Terezi gets raped by Cronus

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new

>>83923731
Keep up the good work!

Be sure to hit us up if you ever get that fantroll blog going.

>>83923731
Slutty feet

>>83922749
She put three scratches on Gamzee's face, foreshadowing the Third Scratch.

>>83923804
There is no third scratch.

>>83924198
1st Scratch: The Beforans decided to start over
2nd Scratch: Literally [S] Cascade
3rd Scratch: After the door to the new universe wouldn't open

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>>83923774
slutii feet

>>83923731
you could be collaborating with classpectanon to make a fanadventure

>>8392422
Go to bed bkew

>>83924226
BKEW let it go

>>83924347
>>83924385
>BKEW
Did he actually "predict" that? I was just fuckin' around. Isn't that what most readers had happened so they could keep writing fanventures and shit?

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>lord english will never get good merchandise

>>83924590
why live

>>83924590
how do i

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>>83924590
dear santa...

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>>83924590
Wish granted, WLF has extraterrestrial prints now!

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>>83924590
>tfw no green coat with working multi-coloured hem
>tfw no permanent green body paint
>tfw no flashing pool balls to cut out your ugly human eyes and replace them with

>>83925056
why live

>>83922257
not really, I got my dragon plush back when they were rare, along with an assortment of other bullshit

all these totes

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>>83922166
>>83922184
Surely Hussie would never fail us.

>>83923288
yes, this is dog

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Slow thread today. Have some heir of bread.

>>83925901
classpectanon, how good are you at dialogue and how open would you be to recruiting?

>>83925954
i've been writing since i was about 6. i'm very good at dialogue

it depends on what you're recruiting me for.

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Spoop

>we will never know what Rage, Doom and Blood do

>>83926033
rage makes you angry
doom is spoopy
blood means you get cucked

>>83926033
rage is the spectrum of negative emotions, along with disbelief
doom is doom, fate, and laws
blood is unity and bonds

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>>83925942

>>83926033
Blood is just a passive that brings players with compatible abilities together, its class is disregarded

>>83926088
no

i took the test and i am a page of blood

how fucked am i

would Bill Murray in Groundhog's Day be a Seer of Time or a Seer of Mind

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The problem with Homestuck is that it's three stories pretending to be one

The first is the kids playing game and all the wacky shit they encounter in their lands and Derse and Prospit

The second story is the Troll Meteor which is basically a tragi-comedy of hotheads and big guys killing each other due to personality defects

The third story is about an alcoholic scientist trying to get back on the wagon and find her daughter

>>83922166
Cohen has good taste in character writing, he might be able to salvage this trainwreck yet.

>>83926215
>on the wagon
i thought the phrase was off the wagon?

>>83923026
mituna is a WVHORE

>>83926154
Well you're the ultimate weenie, but you compel people around you to work together for your sake, probably because you're so damn useless. If you can learn your powers you may be able to do something cool eventually, mad team buff and vitality increase aoes to friendly units.

>>83926232
You're off the wagon when you drink

You're on the wagon when you're sober

>>83926024
fog and what?

>>83926215
It's actually four stories, you forgot about the saga of the young Cherub growing and maturing as a person against the rigid confines of his reality, completing his journey to become the artist he always was inside.

>>83926252
what is the wagon though?

>>83926215
>The third story is about an alcoholic scientist trying to get back on the wagon
not really
roxy overcame her alcoholism with ease, it pretty much wasn't a factor in the story at all

>>83926258
its five. Did you honestly forget about the adventures of slick?

>>83926154
Wasnt hitler a page of blood too?

>>83926285
why would he be that

>>83926255
Fog and That

>>83926285
Knight, Prince or Bard of Blood, Doom or Rage all could fit with what we know of the guy and his influence.

>>83926318
Well he started by being a simple soldier and became the third reich with an army defending him and his ideals
seems like a page of blood to me

>>83926135
Yes

>>83925993
>>83925954
Well? You didn't respond, friend, so I'm curious as to what you had in mind.

>>83926467
this is in early stages yet, if I don't find an artist willing to work for LE EXPOSURE it's fucked anyway

>you will never taste teal pussy

>>83926489
You can't just vaguely tiptoe around what the thing actually IS though, not after asking like that. Come on, give some details, this sounds interesting.

>>83926489
this >>83926566
also if you need some form of token payment i can probably chip in a handful of dollars

>>83926318
obsession with eugenics
killed a lot of people
the blood metaphor works on several levels

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>>83926566
I can, and I will, watch me

>>83926600
I like that you're interested, but I'm waiting for something else to happen right now

>>83926635
he also started off as a total weenie and grew into a Pretty Big Deal all things considered

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>>83926215
>>83926258

Homestuck should have been 4-5 separate MSPA stories that together made up one entire anthology. If Hussie had just cooled his tits and decided to dilineate the story in this manner we would have gotten several fantastic adventures instead of one big mediocre one that drags on forever.

>Adventure 1: acts 1-4 as we know them, act 5 is the kids conspiring with the trolls (only Karkat, Tavros, Kanaya and Terezei being revealed) to take down Jack and winning the game
>Adventure 2: expanded version of Hiveswap with more exploration of Alternian culture and society, no Murderstuck, but Eridan goes traitor and still kills several of them and then gets killed by rainbow drinker Kanaya like in canon, final act is surviving trolls escaping to kid's new universe
>Adventure 3: alpha session story completely separate from the beta session entirely that takes place mostly on Condesce-controlled planet earth, kids play their SBURB session on earth instead of incipisphere, Calliope and Caliborn introduced
>Adventure 4: Cherub shenanigans, more adventures with the Midnight Crew and the Felt, this adventure opens with the intermission that would normally be between acts 3 and 4 in canon

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davekat shippers be like

Anyone have a scan of Vrisky Business?

>>83926857
well, they ARE mostly female

>>83922588
aw dang, well that makes sense. i'll revise that, then

>>83922588
>so if you just zapped it away you would damage her face and probably brain.
so?
god tier

>>83922588
>it's embedded into her flesh and you can see the wires and stuff around her eyes so if you just zapped it away you would damage her face and probably brain.
I thought it was just cosmetics, like how her outfit turns red. She doesn't seem to have scars after ARquius removes the tiara.

>>83926857
>Davekat
Is this the worst ship of all time?

>>83927028
I think you could get away with that one honestly, the retcon powers are so over the top that you could rationalise it causing no damage by making it so none of the connections were even made between the tiara and Jane's head.

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>>83927181

>>83923084
put them up on in a pastebin or something

>>83927231
what happened to erisolsprite

>>83927218
or i could just have john also punch her out, but i think doing it twice back-to-back seems weak

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>>83927181
It's not as bad as hst makes it out to be.

>>83927181
Of course there are worse ones, but they aren't canon

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>>83922166
>Hiveswap
>7.9 out of 10 it's good but nothing remarkable.

>>83927231
Them as kismesis actually make sense

did you ever notice how caliborn and mituna both represent the "bad" parts of the fanbase and hussie made them both retarded

what is he trying to say

>>83926215

I was thinking about this the other day, and I almost wonder if HS should have done a Jojo's and switched protagonists completely.

Like, make Acts 1-5 a complete story. Give everyone completed character arcs and then around Cascade kill off Bec Noir and for example, make the kids and surviving trolls live on earth with the exiles after the scratch.

After that, a different version of Act 6 could go ahead that would just be the alpha kids/condesce plot and the cherub/LE plot.

>>83927532
if it's not remarkable for the regular gaming audience, but there's plenty for homestuck fans to like, that would be fine with me

like, 7/10 for normies, 8.5/10 for fans

>>83927620
He also made them both funny and lovable retards who try their best

>>83927638
it certainly sounds better than what we got but hindsight is 20/20 and all that

>>83927643
It's already not remarkable to normies by merit of being a point and click adventure game, which went from being a AAA genre back then to a niche one.

>>83927620
I don't think Caliborn represents "bad" fans, at least not entirely.

I think Calliope represents Act 6, and Caliborn represents the first half of the story. That's why he and characters related to him (all the Jacks) have way more classic MSPA references (Jailbreak, Intermission, Caliborn's Intermission) to them.

Meanwhile, Calliope is a self-insert character into Act 6, her favorite story, where all the characters (including her fave, Roxy) adore her and would do anything to keep her safe from her terrible brother, ending with John deciding that it was a better idea to try and revive Calliope rather than THEIR FUCKING HEALER.

>>83927337
Nah, have him smartly utilise his game-breaking powers for once. That was one of the huge complaints lumped in with the whole retcon deal, John never used them particularly well, he just did what Terezi said and that was that.

>>83927501
>DAVE and (((karkuck)))

Yes. It's the worst fucking ship.

>>83927902
i was thinking he could zap to game over, then watch everything go to shit. once it's over, john then zaps to multiple areas to give everyone help/encouragement, like dave's multiple selves

>>83928012
because he knows what's going to happen, and where he could fix it

>>83927816
>ending with John deciding that it was a better idea to try and revive Calliope rather than THEIR FUCKING HEALER
which healer?

>>83927902
God I hate the retcons. They ended up just time travel that could change the alpha timeline, which went against everything we had learnt up to that point.

They weren't even really a glitch, since they were a boss item from Yaldobaoth.

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>>83927620
Yet they're also the best characters? How interesting.

>>83928035
If John could go back and grab the ring from Gamzee, he could have revived Jane, who Crockertier or no would have been forced to revive everyone (except Karkat, who could then have a nice little adventure in the Furthest Ring instead of fucking Vriska).

Condy can't beat the game without the kids releasing their Grist hordes, so we could have an unsteady alliance between the two groups for a little bit, until our heroes can coordinate and work to take Condy out.

Have Bec and PM take Jade's body off to parts unknown if Jade would break the picture.

>>83928111
Dammit this would have been way better than the retcon

>>83928066
Retards are cute in fiction but annoying irl

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>>83928149
>mituna
>retarded

>>83928111
Kanaya's body got vaporized, though, so she might be gone too unless Roxy can produce corpses with her Void powers

Did ipgd ever come back here after 4/13?

I haven't really been here since then.

How's the new album?

If davekat isn't endgame canon why won't you guys shut up about it already?

>>83928198
Denial

>>83928172
I think she got banned because she never talked about homestuck, just tried to get people mad

and it's the best album

>>83928172
>How's the new album?
Just listen to it on youtube if you're curious

>>83927620
>Mituna
>Bad fan
Not sure how. He's 4chan, but he's not HSG, and he doesn't even have 4chan's brand of awful.

>Caliborn
Ehhh.
To me he was always a way for Hussie to complain about his own story and vent his dissatisfaction with the way it went.

>>83928236
>and it's the best album

Seriously, or are you being sarcastic and it's shit

>>83928330
seriously

>>83928330
mobius trip exists so second-best

>>83928163
Brain damaged people can go under the retarded banner

Caliborn is probably some kind of autist and not a classic retard, but we all still call him retarded

>>83928012
Yeah that makes sense, but I think you have to show how it differs from just Time powers in that he can go to multiple points in the story leading up the Game Over, making meaningful changes along the way. Perhaps you could even have him overwrite some of his own changes, given he's not fully experienced with the powers and shit could go wrong easily. Then you can shown minor things that needed solving at any point in the comic, or minor additions that don't impact the story hugely but give a more positive outcome here and there.

>>83928370
he's a very slow learner, which is the literal origin of the modern usage of "retarded"

>>83928430
Retard currently means "low iq" and not "learning disability" though

>>83928408
it's for that reason that i'd want to keep it to a minimum number of zaps. and for the "how is canon-travel different from time-travel"... it isn't. all john does in canon is just time travel to fiddle with some variables and then stop vriska from dying

>>83923731
raptor hands

>>83928509
both concepts are pretty vague and have a lot of overlap

>>83928531
>it isn't

there's a reason why dave didn't go back and fix everything, anon

>>83928561
dave couldn't because LE had the timeline bending over backwards for him. also he was distracted by dogs in the present

john could

why wasnt there two roxies

What are some homestuck plot points that sound really crazy when written down? Like, Jimmy Neutron levels.

Remember when Vriskas mom raised a baby boy for the sole reason of fucking it when it became an adult?

Or
Remember when John punched out Vriska for being too dangerous then turned around and revived her without worrying about it?

Or
Remember when Dave left Rose in a doomed timeline to turn into an orange ghostbird?

>>83928606
One died.

Homestuck has a lot of plot holes, and that isn't one of them.

>>83928645
>Vriskas mom
you mean her ancestor

>>83928692
no i mean why couldn't we have had two roxies like we had three ace dicks

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>>83928645
A dispute over work place attire results in the death of billions.

The main villain is canonically an autistic manchild who loves anime and is also the best

>>83928692
>jane and rose both being 100% okay that their timeline's roxy is fucking dead because hey they got a brand new roxy to replace her

>>83928692
the plot hole is why jane didn't revive her

>>83928645
i don't think she planned on fucking the summoner from the start

yeah, that was dumb

that was sad

i think "john almost punches a learning-disabled child to death because he didn't like his art" is pretty up there

>>83928722
no it's fine
your ultimate self, which you will never meet or experience and is totally irrelevant to you as a person, means you're easily replaced

>>83928708
that's not better

that's not better AT ALL

>>83928731
she got knocked out by vriska. this was also a timeline where she didn't demonstrate her ability by killing and reviving karkat, so the window to revive roxy had passed

>>83928708
I feel like it should look more offended by that. It's barely even crying.

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>>83928765
Is this better?

>>83928800
>eridan deserves death at birth
ill make you eat those wwords

>>83928722
It never stops being creepy, it could have been treated as an actual, interesting problem to interact with but no it's just not a problem because.

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>>83923731

>>83928800
i'm very disappointed in you

>>83928708
delete this

>>83927532
Megane, source/your tumblr.

PLEASEEEEE

>>83928708
reported

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>>83928848

That was one of Loki's Snapchat pics. there were a couple I think, this is the only other one I saved.

>>83928722
>>83928837
>>83928750

it kind of reminds me of yen'fay ans say'ri in fire emblem awakening

if they acknowledged the different continuities, it would be an interesting issue to tackle. but instead it's just another detail that got bulldozed in the rush to finish the comic

>>83928877
thnx

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>>83928876
>report over a fictional alien maggot being hurted

>>83928877
i got warned for posting screencaps of my proposed "better ending"

i suppose i'll have to pull a you and put them elsewhere

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I have a mighty need for some pregnant charachters
hardmode: Lill' Cal

>>83928934
haha

>>83928823
I'm gonna eat grub eridan eitherway

>>83928919

Best of luck with that. Just a heads up, though, my post two days ago saying nothing more that I had finished the beach fic and it was up on pastebin and AO3, with no links, got deleted. No warning, but still.

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>>83928915

>>83928837
Yeah, I feel like plenty of things that should have caused drama just became no big deal because there wasn't enough time to go over them.

Like Jade just not caring she was left alone for 3 years. Or everything about Vriska, post retcon.

This was always a problem though. Characters acting oddly for the sake of the plot. The kids just straight up don't give a shit everyone they knew (and everyone they didn't) except them and a couple of aliens died, probably horribly. It's much more obvious towards the end though.

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How's that Homestuck 2.0 project going Anon?

>>83928984
These mods feel way too biased nowadays. Few weeks ago, they were doing their work normally. Now people post NSFW and it doesn't get deleted nor they get warned. People mention fics or fantrolls and it's automatically deleted and warnings sent

Except, you know, Angel and Loki.

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>yfw you realize that the new earth is free of jews and islam.

Peace on earth at last

>>83929021
sifting through billions of google ngrams as we speak

>>83929021
Very well actually, i just got finished the clip of my horse pissing a Hussie doll.

>>83929021
>video pokes fun at the shitty ending and its reception
>still nothing from hussie addressing it or 2.0
Man I guess the guy just stone-cold dones't give a shit

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We never got any information about Troll biology.
How would they look naked?

>>83929130
I think they are actually acting like that because they know ending was shitty and there is something big coming.

>>83929160
grey nipples, that's canon from karkat's topless male troll book cover

>>83929161
>there is something big coming
the glass isn't just half full, it's overflowing

>>83929130
it's a much different hussie

the hiatuses and kickstarter were a sinkhole that hussie fell into, and when he finally climbed out he was like castaway tom hanks

>>83929178
Wait, why do they have nipples if they are not mamals? They dkn't even get pregnant or lactate

>>83929160
damara confirms they have nipples, and arquius confirms they have a purpose that isn't "producing milk for the young" but besides that we have no info.

>>83929160
Latula's sprite has no bulge, while Mituna's and Kurloz's both have, so I take it they only have a single sex.

Cronus' dialogue in openbound indicates they DO have sex, so I guess they fuck normally like humans, but cum much more. They get a bucket for the cum and bring it to the Queen Bee or something for her to do the reproduction stuff

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alright so
the consorts are probably axolotls because those are cute and amphibious
and most of the planet is ocean but now it's unsafe because of the denizen who's probably minos for the thief of doom, is being rude and poisoning the water or some shit
so they move onto land and have to constantly build giant castles to house their population on what little ground they can build on
the goal is to help the axolotls go back into the water by finding minos and either accepting a dick-ass Choice or kicking him in the dick so he stops

>>83928992
Yea I suppose that's a good point about their reactions to the end of the world. It made sense then in that the story wasn't supposed to be focused on that rather apocalyptic element and more the kid's adventures. But when the things they brush off are a part of that adventure they're supposed to be having, then it's not really feasible for them to just brush it off like that. Jade's solitary journey being one of the biggest offenders along side the John and Roxy replacements and Vriska's revered return

I think the biggest problem in all this is that the issues presented like that are just flat out ignored, as opposed to just having some relevance or discussion however minor. For example, Dave and Dirk talking through their issues to reach a point where they can work on together, even if the Bro abuse part was rather shamefully tacked on like that to act as a drama point.

>>83929197
porn

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>>83929197
lube

would you feel better or worse if it turned out that all of the post-retcon content was ghostwritten

>>83928707
*the death of billions of trillions

>>83929130
They said some really interesting things on the Volume 10 stream about how Hussie interacts with people involved in Homestuck related projects. Primarily that he'll sporadically just give instructions with no real explanation or discussion. Imagine what it must have been like in the wake of things going downhill, especially after all the issues with Hiveswap.

>>83929312
>not being furious the guy literally had nothing to do with the ending to his own comic
>not being even more furious that he approved the shit we got

>>83929334
God that sounds terrible. Thats almost as awful as him telling that one artist to just make panels with whoever and we got the fucking john/dad hug

>>83929340
what if he had died somewhere around act 6, would that make it better or worse

>>83929334
>>83929366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJWqqikd6S0
starting around ~2:25:50 they begin talking about what it's like to work with Hussie

>>83929404
Honestly I was okay with the game over timeline, I figured john was gonna use his powers to fix his shit not hop over and steal a new timeline like English does.
Like I'm glad we got an ending and at least the most vague possible definition of closure
oh wait we didn't even fucking get that since the masterpiece thing still .
I dunno man, clearly can't trust anyone from hussies circle to finish the comic satisfactorly

>>83929450
mesmerizingly atrocious is a good way to describe the last parts of homestuck

>>83929181
Well, Hussie is known for trolling. And with everything going on, Hiveswap's controversy, Hollywood's attention, the expectations of fans, etc. I don't think he would end things like that.

He was, however, cornered with a big schedule and only growing backlog. End Homestuck like that makes more sense when I look at it for this angle. He gets time to work on it later, focusing on mroe important stuff for now.

Who knows? Maybe we will get the ''True Ending'' like in games with 100% completion? Maybe the epilogue will clear everything? Maybe Act 8?

I just can't see this over as it is now. Hiveswap workers pointed out about how he really gives a shit for the game. And throughout the story og homestuck, he meticulously closed loose threads and they came and went, including silly ones

>>83929242
I wish I'd had a description when making that one, it makes them so much richer.

>>83929560
Imagine versions of Descend and Cascade with Hollywood studio budgets

>>83929366
I still can't believe that happened, it can't be true, it takes so little input to just say what you'd like in each scene and that's not even including story-boarding it.

>>83929450
>hiveswap garage band album
>can you make a shitty ska song in an afternoon
>hussie explictly wanted toby to make music for flashes and just took edited finish music from others
>making artist fuck with other artist tracks
>that bitterness about symphony being used for act 7

Jesus, he must be awful to work for

>>83929510
I feel retcon's problem was actually how far he went back and changed. Like, if he only changed the story as little before game over, I'm certain it wouldn't get the hate it got.

Like, just taking the ring would have meant no Aranea, but Jake and Roxy would still get jailed and we could have went from there.

Maybe, I dunno, Vriska's mind control was really important, but we know it works through time and space, with dead and living, so he could have gotten the help of ghosts to solve that mess? Things like that?

Everyone saved, no game over and story changed at the minimum and necessary with stuff you have.

>>83929595
Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Budget Works

If, at the press of a button, you could choose a writer (alive or dead) to write the end of Homestuck instead of Hussie, who would you pick?

(Let's assume that said writer gets to retcon anything from ~A6A3 onwards, and magically has all of Hussie's knowledge about the story.)

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>>83929690
H-how did you know, anon?

>>83929655
The alternative is that hussie sincerely didn't want jane to reunite with her dad and instead let john have that moment.
>>83929560
>Hiveswap workers pointed out about how he really gives a shit for the game
Boy it sure would be good to have literally any news about that game then or 2.0, or literally anything at all. Its also pretty swell how he totally on accident deleted reference to the epilogue
>he meticulously closed loose threads and they came and went, including silly ones
is this satire

>>83929724
John Kennedy Toole

>>83929724
Douglas Adams

>>83929690
let's be realistic though
the first f/sn anime was absolutely terrible

>>83929729
I have my means

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>>83929560
>to get the true ending you have to read through the entire comic again and enter a new password at the retcon pages

>>83929724
Alasdair Gray

It'd be still weir and post modern but in a quirky Scottish kind of way.

Alternatively, Grant Morrisson or Alan Moore.

>>83929786
Wrong. It was a terrible adaptation. As an anime, however, it was so-so.

>>83929724
Terry Pratchett

>>83929665
The very root of the problem there is in the retcon powers themselves, in that they seem to allow him to go to any point in the past that he wants. As such he could have changed so many things for the better, despite the stupid restriction of 'oh I don't want to change anything too major.'

What's the fucking point of powers of that magnitude if you don't make major changes, there's no realistic arguement against it unless you actually show how badly it can alter things and why there needs to be strict management of it, which John isn't going to do well at. Then we could have had Terezi and John figure things out together on how to move forward, y'know like two main characters interacting and conversing whilst dealing with the plot at the same time. How much better would that have been, seeing Terezi doing something interesting for once that didn't involve Vriska.

>>83929765
I really don't understand the lack of news. But Hussie has never been one to keep his fandom updated. It's not as if a simple Q&A would kill him.

The loose threads thing wasn't a sattire. I meant like, there were those things like ''where did Rose's cat go for weeks'' then, thousands of pages later we learn Roxy had taken it.

Then, we got that mess of an ending. It strikes me more as a manuever to get time to work on the real thing instead of him giving up

the epilogue is just caliborn, hussie, and death hanging out and playing board games

caliborn explains everything wrong with homestuck to hussie, and hussie tells caliborn about all of the practical issues involved in writing homestuck and why he was too busy to meet the expectations he established for homestuck's ending

>>83929845
The problem is the Butterfly Effect of the Chaos Theory.

We never know how much a single change can cause dire consequences. If he was messing around with normal time travel, no problem. You are creating doomed timelines in the process, yes, but you can control your mistakes and learn from them better with that.

John's retcon, is Scratch-level. What he changes stays changed. You can make it for the better and no one is doomed, but what you change stays (most of the time), so should he do one small mistake, everything could have changed for worst and it would be one hell of a problem to fix it.

I feel Dave would have made a better fix than John, but Dave was dead, so retcons were all they had

>>83929845
>Then we could have had Terezi and John figure things out together on how to move forward, y'know like two main characters interacting and conversing whilst dealing with the plot at the same time.

Man remember how much fun it was watching John & rose figure out the game at the start, hussie apparently didn't.

>>83929882
I dunno man the ending seemed to me like he just forgot why homestuck was good in the first place. Since the only alternative is that he's totally okay leaving homestuck as-is, I guess I agree with you. I still wish he hadn't let things play out like that did in the story

>>83929724
Maybe Alexis Kennedy (the Fallen London guy).
He's got Hussie's tendency to affectionate parody, especially towards interactive fiction and RPGs, arguably Homestuck's roots.
Pretty damn good writing, and something that struck me is that every time he introduces a mystery in his stories, he's already got an answer planned, so not a single plot point gets dropped.
And he communicates with readers pretty often, too. So he'd be a good fit.

>>83929724
DFW, and not just as a meme answer. In Homestuck things happen just because they have to for the timeline to progress - that's it. that's the grand Meaning Of Everything: Get the sperm/tadpole into the egg/skaia, and all of it happens just because. DFW struggled with meaning and meta and concluded that it was just something you had to devote yourself to. The tension between everyone's autistic special interests and skaia's autistic special interest (put tadpole in battlefield) could make for an interesting conflict.

we wouldn't get an ending but we don't have one anyway sooo

>>83929819
I think this is because most anime is shit. Go consume some other fiction and recalibrate your tastes, anon.

>>83929982
he just has to follow the changes along and check up on them to see where they go wrong
John's powers have no limitations, so he can just keep going back and revising things until they are just right

>>83929982
>so should he do one small mistake, everything could have changed for worst and it would be one hell of a problem to fix it.
if only john or we could have seen this first hand so it was clear that john was playing with fire instead of lmao new alpha

>>83929982
dude john stomped the whole fucking butterfly when he decided to save vriska

we know he can zap to the past and get his past self to do other stuff, he could easily prevent whatever change didn't work out.

>>83929724
shakespeare

to be fair the original fate/stay night VN is awful too, fate/zero is flat-out much better than f/sn

it's like if skullmandible's hiveswap turned out to be better than homestuck in every way

>>83930079
Shakes is a fucking hack

>>83929984
I have many things I dislike in the story since the 4-month timeskip. I feel it was around that time that things started getting downhill.

I dunno if I'm just trying to fool myself or that I really believe there is something else coming, but if I were to put myself in the writer's shoes, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to let things end like that.

Maybe if I were going through some sort of depression, sure. But as time passed and I got better, I would probably end up learning that this wouldn't be the right way, and that there is still something that has to be done.

Then again, I am no writer and every person is different. But I still believe in something beyond this. Maybe not in the near future, sure. But I can't see a ''never'' happening

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>>83930093
it's perfect
he would make the best pesterlogs and we could actually get more dave raps

>>83929724
gen "the butcher" urobuchi

>>83930043
Yeah, but he was following Terezi's plan on that time. He probably was still afraid of the consequences.

>>83930046
This would have been fun. I would love to imagine he alone making a mess bigger than Game Over before trying something else.

>>83930072
I don't have arguments for that. I would actually preferred if he made a bigger mess before actually learning how to use his powers better

RAVIOLI
RAVIOLI
HERE COMES MY 8ULGERONI

>>83930012
I like Deltora and Mistborn.

Still like anime, though. Some are bad, some are good. Boku no Hero Academia has been entertaining so far

>>83929982
See it's fine if you show that can happen, but I think one of the first runarounds John gives his powers shows that can interact with himelf prior or post making changes. So if something goes wrong it stands to reason he could go back from that point to the earlier changing point and tell himself then to not do what he was planning on doing. It doesn't have to create a stable time loop as it's not Time powers right?

Or if you keep that he can't use the powers like that then surely you can just have him, Terezi and any of the other survivors trying to figure things out in retrospect. Like them going to get Dirk and him telling John where he was at some point at time so he can make sure that time around he can get into the fight, there's your setup for Dirk and Dave talking too.

>>83930225
>liking the inferior sanderseries
have you read Mistborn: Secret History yet? it's got hoid being his usual jackass self, elantrians, and Khriss. Oh, and lots of Kelsier.

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>>83930234
>game over dirk isn't even dead
>he's just part of some glitches in a now dead timeline

>>83930234
At this point I think most attempts of changing story would have been better than retcon. Like, even if the retcons we got were the ones supposed to happen, I would have prefferred to see them try and fail a few times before finding the true anser

>>83930284
No, my country only has Final Empire and Well of Ascension so far. Hero of Ages only comes here next month.

Please, no spoilers

>>83929724
terry pratchett

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AH: Storytelling is a touchy thing.
AH: Especially when you're writing the biggest webcomic on the internet.
AH: My story needed that final touch to end it.
AH: But because I was in too much of a hurry to do the job right.
AH: it's missing critical character development.
AH: So when I finished it, and watched the anime tadpole fly into Skaia
AH: and after all the fireworks and fanfare from the Act 7 flash had subsided
AH: I kind of felt like the story didn't end so good.
AH: Like it was shit.
AH: I think I gave it cancer.
AH: I gave the whole story cancer.
AH: You're welcome.

>>83930321
The big thing for me is just keeping Vriska dead. She can have her relevance and screen time in the dreambubbles where she helps set things in place with the other deceased trolls as a sub-plot to defeating LE. That way you can keep Vriska relevant withotu butchering her character arc. She can re-learn how to be top bitch without having the universe bend over backwards to accommodate her terrible personality and actions.

Then you can use that sub-plot time to develop LE a bit more, given he was still so underdeveloped by the end of the story.

>>83930369
honestly, the lack of character development is the least of homestuck's flaws
it's also got plotholes, unresolved themes, tonal dissonance, moral ambiguity...

>>83929657
the music team had a hard life...

tossed about by the whims of a mad artist
it turns out neither dave or hussie were hussie's self-insert, but rather caliborn

>>83930568
moral ambiguity isn't a flaw though, it's a feature (tm)

>>83930623
I mean in that the sense that the moral of homestuck is ambiguous
no one can tell what hussie was trying to tell us
it's like trying to decrypt space signals from an extraterrestrial intelligence

>>83930623
It's a feature if you use it to cast doubt on a character. It's a flaw if you use it to justify a huge cunt like Vriska being the key to everything

>>83930568

Tonal dissonance is played for laughs and isn't a flaw. Neither is moral ambiguity. The plotholes and themes are way worse, even worse than the weird, intentional "people don't have arcs" nega-arc he gave some of the characters.

>>83930684
you don't have to be a good person to be a hero

>>83930676
growing up is hard
it's hard and no one understands

>>83930703
>Tonal dissonance is played for laughs
no it isn't, it's played for being a lazy piece of shit who isn't willing to put in due effort to justify surreal scenarios where no one cares that their friends are gradually being replaced by doppelgangers

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>>83929161
>and there is something big coming.

>>83930369
>he gave his own story cancer
>in some sort of meta-narrative callout

HUSSIE

>>83930732
hussie never had to grow up
why'd he write a coming of age story

>>83930759
>no one cares that their friends are gradually being replaced by doppelgangers
woah, what part of the story did that happen in? was there a whole "body snatchers" subplot i missed somehow?

>>83930759

They shouldn't care, because their friends are dead and the "doppelgangers" are also their friends.

>>83930797
who is davesprite, who is john, who is roxy

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I just realized how hussies mind works on writing homestuck: pick any character you want and take their associated colors. If its color theory sucks, they are boring characters on the comic. His subsconscious just... works.
> Feferi: fuschia, green and cyan
> Calliope: two tones of green
> God-tier Rose: orange and pink
> Jane: cyan and milk (life godtier sucks too)
> Jake: green and hopes yellow
> Kanaya: her horns orange and red became more relevant than blood color
THE POTTERY THICKENS

>>83930767
On a scale of 1-10, how happy would you be with

>A SBAHJ adult swim series (with quality not guaranteed, written by Hussie)
>A SBAHJ adult swim series (written by whoever you think would be best, with input and oversight from Hussie)
>A SBAHJ adult swim series (written by whoever you think would be best, with absolutely zero control from Hussie outside of the initial idea)

>>83930767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8oh_s6C4WU

>>83930797
Fuck off, Davepeta.

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>>83930732
>you don't have to be a good person to be a hero
See, here's a big problem with Hussie's writing. I agree with the SENTIMENT, but the execution of showing how Vriska was a "necessary evil" was having her solve everyone's problems over an off-screen timeskip.

Meanwhile the webcomic did a great job of demonstrating ON-SCREEN why Vriska was a liability who had to be put down

>>83930818
dad, spades slick, vriska

>>83930818
i don't get what you're saying here

>>83930826
0 (hussie can't handle a project anymore)
0 (hussie is the worst project leader of all time)
5 (mite be good)

>>83930849
>you don't have to be a good person to be a hero

literally Caliborn

>>83930866
Unless you believe in that retarded "ultimate self" bullshit, then
READ
THE
FUCKING
COMIC

>>83930897
no i mean i don't fucking get what you're implying
i'm just confused, i asked a question and they gave me a list of names i'm not sure what the connection is
are they saying that john and roxy were replaced by doppelgangers?

>>83930897
"ultimate self" doesn't even have anything to do with this
the only reason why davepeta can use that as an excuse is because he double prototyped

like, davesprite isn't a doppelganger he's davesprite

>>83930866
The John and Roxy we know replaced their respective selves in the retcon timeline requiring them to die at some point before John and Roxy fully go into the timeline. Also the characters in the retcon timeline have been through different events and act different than they did before, so they're effectively doppelgangers in the narrative sense.

But yeah, read the fucking comic next time anon.

>>83930893
But we're talking about Vriska, not Caliborn. Everyone loves Caliborn.

>>83930921
>are they saying that john and roxy were replaced by doppelgangers?
yes
a doppelganger is "is a look-alike or double of a living person"
I guess the "living" part is a technicality here but they were living at one point and mythological doppelgangers were known to kill their doubles, which John did by altering the timeline

>>83930971
>>83930950
oh right. well doppelganger isn't the word i'd use to describe the situation because that makes me think of a double with nefarious intentions

but yeah the lukewarm reaction to the fact that they accepted their friends' death and then poof, suddenly they're back and it's like nothing happened is pretty meh. could've been handled better.

but that seems less like a glaring problem itself and more like another in a list of small plot wrinkles that hussie insisted we need not fuss over

doesnt help when he rushed the endigg like he did

>>83930946
His whole issue is that he's 'another Dave', he feels like a less important doppleganger to the Alpha timeline Dave who is just him but in a timeline that has to succeed. It's a big moral challenge the character has to face, hence the invested fans who wanted to see his character arc conclude.

I want my dik dik to ram into Desida

>>83927275
Damn it, I lost the Tavros one. I'll rewrite it and post the pastebin when I do.

>>83931014
>ence the invested fans who wanted to see his character arc conclude.
yeah him and every other goddamned character

hussie is a hack

AAAAA FUCK OFF FANTROLLFAGS

>>83931002
it's a serious problem if hussie intends to make any claim to homestuck being a character-driven story
every time someone points out a flaw in how homestuck was handled someone waves it away with "well homestuck isn't the kind of story where that matters"
but no matter what hussie's intended goals for homestuck were, he failed at them
homestuck isn't the kind of story where anything matters

>>83931002
It's a pretty big problem when character interaction and relationships are supposed to be a big part of the story. It's also an interesting philosophical conundrum, similar to the Ship of Thesius thought experiment, that would have been interesting to have seen explored in the context of the story.

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>>83928934
A pregnant Lil Cal just for you, anon

>>83931107
Fuck you anon

>>83930821
I need to get myself a book on color theory.

>>83931071
i want to worship sahtii's feet. what are you going to do about it? you can't stop me. you're nothing.

>>83931107
Dave, do you know how I know that you were masturbating with my puppets?

Right, back to trying to work out how the hell I'm going to draw Liveblogger's land.

Swords, swords everywhere.

>>83931107
Love U anon

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>TFW (Tavros) had a better arc than "major" characters like Karkat, Terezi, Jade and Jane all put together

I know, he acted really stupid letting Meenah stand on him, and Tavrosprite is a thing, but that's still pretty damn incredible. You'd have told me this in 2011 and I wouldn't have believed you.

>>83931168
Tavros was a great character all things considered and only people with shit taste hate him.

I WAS RAPED!

>>83931140
Make it dark as fuck with a zoomed out angel so you only have do the closest individual sword blades. Would make it look like a truly ominous forest of death, like the black forest in Germany.

>>83931250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaNLZefi-K4

>>83931140
Unlimited Blade Works

>>83931168
The one big, pleasant surprise of the later parts of the comic. I personally didn't even mind the Meenah part. I interpreted it as him knowing how to win her over instantly and demonstrating his ability to choose in front of Vriska.

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>>83931116
Fuck you too anon <3<

>>83931154
Love you too anon <3

>>83931168
>karkrap
>surrounded by friends
>tormented by no one but his shitty self-esteem
>angsts over his blood color despite it never being relevant
>wusses out on everything for no reason
>lives to the end and gets a boyfriend anyway

>tavros
>abused and tormented by vriska without relief
>close friends with aradia until she fucking died
>no one to look out for him
>gets crippled
>has his legs painfully sawed off
>dies horribly trying to protect his "friends" even though no one really gave two shits about him
>forced to fuse with his murderer/rapist/abuser and then become her buttmonkey in the afterlife
>has a retconned version of him fused with a god cat to become a horrible monstrosity
>idiot fans think he's a murderer for not knowing that humans are raised by adults
>never once allowed to reach his full potential
>people still prefer karkrap

>>83931270
But the house and villages are so high up, I was aiming to go for light and airy, but with the long shadows cast by huge blades covering the land below.

In short the idea of all-angles blade trees just isn't tenable. It's an impossible mess.

>>83931140
Thanks a ton again man, I had no idea how gnarly it would be until you rendered it out

>>83931363
Karkat lead the charge against LE. While everyone else didn't want to make the first move.

>>83931371
I'd like to take a moment to point out this is *by far* the hardest to draw one I've even considered doing, and probably the hardest to draw that Classpectanon has described, at least that I've seen.

>>83931168
uH, dO YA LOVE ME
nOW THAT I CAN DANCE

now that the discourse has settled, can we all agree that gamtav could've been good if given a shot?

>>83931435
If Gamzee hadn't become an insane murderer, maybe.

>>83931448
that's what i'm saying you nincompoop
and he wasn't an insanse murderer he had a good reason