Jonathan Hickman's Marvel Run Storytime Storytiming Jo

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WE AVENGERS NOW

>>83857201
Get used to this scene people, you'll be seeing it a lot

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>>83857293
EVERYTHING REPEATS

>>83857180
>Whether or not to run the world in secret
But they weren't running the world. In fact, they didn't really accomplish that much as a group until this series.

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>>83857327
Nah, they managed to fuck a lot of shit up before hand.

>>83857243
>The West has abandoned space
Wait what? Since when?

>>83857354
Yeah, but they never actually ran anything. They weren't a cabal ruling the world, since the things they decided only affected themselves and some secret crap nobody cared about.

>>83857308
>That doesn't mean anything
That pretty much sums up everything Black Swan ever says

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Internet went out

>>83857370
>tfw when we've never gone back to the moon and keep defunding NASA

>>83857385
>World War Hulk
>Secret Invasion
>effected only them

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>>83857522
That also sums up half of what Hickman puts in his books.

>>83857554
>tfw when we've never gone back to the moon and keep defunding NASA
But this is the Marvel Universe, Americans go to space all the time.

>>83857554
>effected only them
Yeah, I see your point. I still maintain that they weren't actually running the world at all, just doing some shit from time to time.

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>>83857589
Hickman's disregard for continuity is legendary at this point.

>>83857614
That's kind of how I feel really.

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>>83857601
I still don't get why T'Challa's first instinct was to call the Illuminati. He had no idea what he was dealing with, thus no way of knowing there would be any moral conflicts, and he had never called them for anything before.

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>>83857644
I thought about it and I think the answer is reasons

>>83857742
>In secret, we rule
Again, no you don't. To rule would require you to actually control things and make the world bend to your will. You just do shit in secret and fuck things up.

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>>83857768
I'm starting to get the feeling Hickman never even read Illuminati. Just took the name and ran with it.

>>83857805
That's not an answer T'Challa, you should have called everyone instead of these useless bozos

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>>83857805
Probably went off of BB, Namor, and T'challa being kings. It really shows with Maximus's king speech. He wanted to portray them as a secret society controlling the world's fate.

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>>83857851
That's not what they were though. They tried to be, but they never actually accomplished anything and made things worse.

>>83857828
How was Black Bolt confirmed?

>>83857875
Hey you guys, maybe you should ask the Captain Britain Corps or someone else with experience with the Multiverse for help. Just saying.

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>>83857886
Oh Hickman, you and your charts.

>>83857907
>This is beyond me or any single one of us
Then call more people instead of covering it all up

>>83857907
What did Black Bolt say?

>>83858008
>We need time, and we have none
Don't you have a time machine? And again, ask for help, that would make things way more efficient.

>>83858035
Wait a minute, this is Charles Xavier's will? Then what was that thing in Bendis' X-Men run about?

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>>83858053
kek

>>83858094
You can really tell that Hickman originally wanted to use Charles Xavier, but Bendis fucked it all up by killing him. So Hickman was forced to awkwardly have Beast take his place.

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>>83857742
You sure about that?

The sad thing is, you can read this first arc of New Avengers, the last couple issues of Time Runs Out and jump into Secret Wars understanding pretty much everything.

I know because that's what I did.

>>83858239
>>83858250
I forget, did they ever explain why the Gems broke again? Punching a planet away doesn't seem like that big a deal for something like the Gauntlet.

>>83858000
>"Ask Nick Fury."
You'd have to ask Thor.

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>>83858280
You know, I have no idea. I don't remember much of this run

>>83858278
and this is why

>>83858278
Yeah, because none of the things that happen in between actually matter in the long run.

>>83857910

Weren't they as clueless as them?

>>83858311
>I'm sorry
For what? It's not his fault the Gauntlet broke for no reason, and his plan worked.
Why don't they try with a Cosmic Cube now?

>>83857910
I'm still mad that nothing from Exiles was even referenced in this run.

>>83858381
>Hickman
>Acknowledging established continuity
You're funny

>>83858321
>It's insulting
Yeah, how dare he talk about morality. These moral choices are really tough on us too! It's OK if you do bad things for the greater good as long as you feel bad about it.

>>83858405
I know but still.

They're literally the marvel multiverse team. This is like DC having an event that takes place in Titans Tower and not one member of any Titans team was part of it.

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>>83857853
I still don't get how one inverse dying causes a domino style destruction event Any explainations?

>>83858443
Um, no Narrator, the Incursions and all that other shit started before Tony and Steve decided to reorganize the Avengers.
And frankly, in the end these 2 guys weren't that important in the grand scheme of things (since you know, everything died).

>>83858280
They really upped the powerlevels too much and didn't find good ways to solve it.
>Gauntlet, Franklin, and a host of other things can't destroy the other earths without consequences
then Reed just mass produces bombs that can

>Beyonders somehow beat all the abstracts
>they can't time travel
I'm pretty sure that would have made it easy for the abstracts to fuck them up.

>>83858467
Tony, stop acting like this idea is new, it isn't.

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>>83857842
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>>83857886
>This is why you should move to the DC multiverse it 100% incursion free you'll never have to worry about universe ending threats ever again.
( warning do not go to earth 7)

>>83858538
Why does Abyss' pool have the exact same drawings as Tony's charts?

>>83858553
IT'S MOVIE TIME

Is Hickman's FF run still held in high regard? I liked Secret Warriors, but I read it in one sitting, I can't imagine myself liking it in monthly form.

>>83857907
Fuck you namor that was a good table

>>83858590
How can arrows and bullets possibly hurt this guy?

>>83858599
>Meant to say Black bolt

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>>83858574
I loved it the first read through which I did in one sitting, hated it the second read through because it became glaringly obvious that he does no homework. Third time was the storytime which anons helped make it less painful

>>83858599
That was Black Bolt

>>83858546
4 earths are destroyed so far in the 52 multiverse.

Earth 3, earth 15, earth 7, Earth 2(old).

>>83858546
what is on earth 7?

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>>83858663
Wait what? When did that happen?

>>83858470
The membrane dies and the contraction of the multiverse gets smaller until time runs out.

Also other earths are colliding and there's Red and Blue incursions with Molecule man bombs.

>>83858686
>And they were found wanting
Yeah, these Avengers had a pathetic showing

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>>83858713
Why did Steve wait 3 days to call the others? He didn't need to go back to Mars himself.

>We'll keep this quiet
Why?

Hickman's whole style and aesthetic is already aging pretty poorly, I just realized. It's got that late 00s/early 10s feel.

>>83858686
Earth 3's universe is devoid of life due to the anti-monitor actions.

Earth7 due to the empty hand.

Earth 15 due to Superboy prime. Universe too.

Earth 2's Earth due to DarkSied. They live on Telos planet as nu Earth 2.

>>83858795
Isn't Ragnarok an endless loop?

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>>83858789
I think this whole time period is going to be remembered as fondly as the 1990's were as far as comics go

>>83858802
huh

Legit spoiler.

So Doom is technically almost twice the age he was before this run?

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>>83858828
Yes

>>83858830
Eh, the indie market is legit releasing a lot of good stuff, but I agree with you about the big 2's output.

>>83858809
RETCON TIME
>They were the first race
No they weren't
What about the Elders of the Universe then?

And where the fuck are the Celstials in all this? They already did everything Hickman claims the Builders did, only better. You can't just introduce something like the Builders into the MU like this, it just doesn't fit.

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>>83858845
Evolution doesn't work that way...

>>83858871
Hey, Hickman's the guy who gave us the not-Squadron Supreme, complete with costumes similar to the original team, don't expect him to know anything about the Marvel Universe.

>>83858866
>We'll want Hawkeye and Black Widow
Why? And don't say movies.

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This run is pissing me off, just like it did the first time

>>83858854
Stop calling it a machine Tony. And you're not tearing down shit.

>>83858908
Weren't Wolverine and Spidey already Avengers?

>>83858830
You would have to read Multiversity. The Empty hand ruined Earth 7's Universe (Ultimate style world) and explains what happened to Earth 15.


While John's Justice League run has Earth 3 destroyed and World's End has Earth 2's end.

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>>83858956
>Weren't Wolverine and Spidey already Avengers?
Yep

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>>83858934
So why would Steve call Sunspot and Cannonball of all people?

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>>83858965
Multiversity was the bee's knees

>>83858685
Ultimate style Homages. With HellBoy thrown in with Glory.

>>83858139
Be did fucks everything up, When Xavier coming back anyways?

>>83858879
If you can be on the Illuminati and the Avengers, so can Strange. What the hell Tony.

>>83858948
For someone wanting to "go bigger", there sure are a bunch of Avengers they could have called but didn't seem to bother with.

>>83858998
>Bendis

>>83858998
I think they might be trying to play the he-really-is-dead card. Which to be fair, they've actually done a good job of playing with adult Jean. She's been dead 12 years now.

>>83858000
He said "I would"

>>83858993
>I bring forth life where there was none
But there is plenty of life on Earth, what's this idiot talking about?

>>83858993
>I make something from nothing
Yeah, no you don't, your name is a lie.

>>83859016
Gateway would be offended Wolverine

>>83858871
The Celestial altered life the builders created.

>>83859061
So, what exactly was Abyss' function again?

>>83859114
To destroy.

>>83857907
>>83859026
>Later Hickman makes it seem like he wouldn't
and after the T-bomb too. Blackagar would blow up a planet to save Inhumans, he did way worse in war of kings.

>>83859130
But I thought that's what Aleph did.
This whole system is stupid.

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>>83858685
>Something empty

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>>83859203
I believe this is the only useful thing Falcon does in Hickman's entire run.

>>83859148
Honestly Black Bolt as this point is like Magneto without the hate for Humans.

Extreme measures to save InHumans.

>>83859149
It's like a gardener system, pruning and creating and weeding out.

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>>83858871
you guys don't pay attention

ex nihilo THINKS the builders were the first but they aren't. the builders just think they are and that's what they told the nihilo and abysses and alephs out there

later on in the run it's confirmed they're only a handful and responsible for about 2,500-5000 worlds, that's nothing

they're just ancient beings who think they are the shit when they're not

nothing is retconned, they're just a new race introduced

>>83859261
Captain Universe is just terrible terrible writing. Literal Deus Ex Machina.

>>83859234
It's been a slippery slope since Silent war. going to war with America over some terrigen, joined the Illuminati, Went full insane for after secret invasion, T-bomb 1, T-bomb 2.

>>83859318
Again, I really hate Captain Universe.
The "pies" thing only makes me hate her more.

>>83859334
And thus the genocidal mass murderers got away with everything!

>What makes Earth so special?
>It's an Avengers World
That's not the reason and you know it.

>>83859361
I thought she was a reverse Deus Ex Machina, served to give readers hope, but fails in the end.

>>83859410
But she didn't give readers any hope. She only fixed things when Hickman felt like it and then she disappeared with no explanation.
There was no moment when she tried to save us all but failed and died, just her yelling at Tony Stark and talking about pies some more.

>>83859440
Ah the fascist leanings vs the Superman leanings in conflict.

>>83859454

I think that was the point.

>>83858977
To tease New Mutants fans.

>>83859509
Looks like Mark's Version but Tom Thumb isn't a small person.

But at this point none of the Squadron universes exist anymore. And New Universe, which negates the crossovers Mark wrote in Quasars book.

>>83859756
Planet eating Cuttlefish

>>83859886
Wish Hickman was back on Avengers.

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I'd seriously take a break right now if it weren't for the fact that I have two issues left, I'm probably in the minority, but I hate this run

>>83860239
bump

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>>83860261
Thanks