Jonathan Hickman's Marvel Run Storytime Storytiming Jonathan

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That's better!

>>83742779
I can't help but notice that everything Hickman has done with Nathaniel Richards contradicts all of his previous appearances in the 80s an 90s

>>83742917
>>83742925
>By a being called Immortus
IMMORTUS IS NATHANIEL'S DESCENDANT
This makes no sense, Immortus is endangering his own existence by making all the Nathaniels kill each other.
Did Hickman not know this?

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>>83743194
Thank you! I keep seeing people praise his runs, but no one talks about how ooc he writes people. Nathaniel, Ultimate Reed, the Illuminati, etc.

>>83743227
It's less that Nathaniel is ooc (he was always pretty fishy) but more that Hickman acts like none of those stories ever happened, like this is the first time Reed has seen his dad in years.
The thing that bugs me the most is that Nathaniel has always been shown with white hair, but he suddenly has brown hair for no reason.

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>>83743225
>>83743275
]I don't think Hickman did that much research, look at how bastardized his version of Marvel cosmic is in New Avengers

>>83743300
>look at how bastardized his version of Marvel cosmic is in New Avengers
Tell me about it, he suddenly introduces the Builders out of nowhere, even though the Celestials did the exact same thing only better.
He casually had all the important cosmic beings be killed mostly off-panel and never intervene, prefering to focus on his OCs, Doom, the Molecule Man and the Illuminati.

>>83743266
>>83743338
Why exactly was Reed's machine so "bad" again? It's an interdimensional portal, he's made tons of those in the past with nobody ever saying it was bad.

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>>83743343
>killing them off-panel
That's the part that pissed me off the most. I remember getting into constant arguments with this massive Hickman fan about how he was destroying the building blocks of the MU that Kirby and countless other put up. He kept insisting that I was wrong and refused to read any of the comics I would give him. I like Hickman just fine, but his diehards are the worst.

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>>83743380
Because reasons

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Don't get me wrong, this is a solid run, but people hold it up as if Hickman was fixing something that was massively broken and flawed when that just is not the case.

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>>83743435
So let me get this straight. The Council of Reeds, supposedly super duper smart and powerful, had no way of escaping where they were until a 4-year old opened a portal out of curiosity and helped them escape.

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>>83743474
People rip on this for Doom wank, but it massively wanks off Val too.

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>>83743517
Why exactly would Norrin find this unacceptable?

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>>83743532
At the end of the day he still respects Galactus.

>>83743442
Hey it just dawned on me. Did Boris ever find out that Doom sacrificed his grandaughter for a demonic ritual? Does Boris care about Valeria Richards since she's named after his grandaughter?

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>>83743554
Boris's only appearance in this run was last issue, so no.

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>>83743554
Or wait, that was Waid's run wasn't it?

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My continuity is all over, but this was the first time he had been seen in a VERY long time.

>>83743601
>>83743612
Hey look, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.
Also, is there any reason these panels are so big? They could have either had more panels per page showing them doing more stuff, or have all the panels in one page so that more pages can be spent on something else.

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>>83743639
It's "cinematic"

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>>83743632
This has to be one of the weirdest changes Hickman did. Changing the Yancy Street Gang from street thugs into dumb execs in suits is just...stupid. What happened to all the older members of the gang? Why would dumbasses in business suits even be in a street gang threatening superheroes on the street with weird business propositions?
Luckily Fraction brought back the classic Yancy Street Gang.

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>>83743690
Fraction's run is underrated.

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I think it was supposed to be "empowering" to see them beat on wallstreeters. It's really dumb.

>>83743667
>I've missed out on a lot of things
Hickman is acting like Ben hasn't gone back to being human before, it's happened countless times over the years, there was even a period where he could change back and forth at will.

>>83743694
So Ben and Alicia had broken up, but now that Ben is temporarily human, he has a booty call? Why is Alicia crying? She never cared about Ben's form, THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT.

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Wait wait wait, was Norriin even the herald at this point?

>>83743747
You're actually making me hate this run more and more kek

>>83742947
>College Doom is already full supervillain.

>>83743732
>he was from the future but died in the present
Huh? I thought he died in the future and then they brought his corpse back in time for a non-sensical machine.

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I guess I could see Alicia crying out of happiness for Ben, maybe. I still feel like it's a stretch.

>>83743767
They did

>>83743761
>You're actually making me hate this run more and more kek
Sorry, like you I do mostly like this run, I just felt like some of the flaws needed to be pointed out.

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>>83743785
No no, keep going. I wish more people would acknowledge them. I remember in an interview Hickman talking about how Brevoort wouldn't let him have "The World's Greatest Comic Magazine" on the cover and that they "had to earn it back".

>>83743762
Yeah, that's another weird thing. Plus it's kind of weird that Ben, Doom and Reed never bring up this adventure ever again. Reed seems oddly surprised by Doom' time machine for someone who's seen his father use one. Even weirder since Byrne's run establishes that Reed didn't know his father had a time machine, but it's clear that Hickman is ignoring everything we ever knew about Nathaniel.

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I feel like this run is for people who have seen the movies and cartoons, but never read the actual comics.

>>83743808
I still don't get why those future people needed to go back in time. Why didn't they just go to another planet?

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>>83743859
It really doesn't make sense. That was all introduced in Mark Millar's run wasn't it?

>>83743888
Yeah, Mark Millar's run was very weird and even looser with continuity than Hickman's.
Only good to come out of it was smart Valeria, even if Hickman turned her into a bit of a Mary Sue.

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>>83743910
Smart Val ruined Val for me. I miss when the kids acted like kids.

>>83743930
At least Franklin still acts like a kid most of the time.

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>>83743960
That's true, but he's basically a god

>>83743947
>>83743956
This guy is the Scientist Supreme of AIM that shows up in Hickman's Avengers, right?

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Did any one read Robinson's run?

>>83743985
Pretty sure, yeah

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>>83744013
Thanks

>>83744001
Robinson's run was OK, it gets a bad rep. I do think that the bad guy's motivations were stupid and that how he claims to have been behind a whole bunch of bad things in the FF's past (without explaining any) is just stupid.

>>83744024
>We clearly outnumber him
He's NAMOR, he's got Class 100 super strength while underwater and has defeated far more enemies than this.

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>>83744025
That's how I felt, but I LOVED that it actually seemed like he knew his stuff. Lot of great call backs and continuity references.

>>83744054
Didn't someone job him underwater? Was it Luke Cage? I don't remember,

>>83744009
Come on Namor, you'll never get the gril if you murder people in front of her

>>83744138
Still don't get why the future people didn't just go to another planet.
Also interesting how the cause of the Earth's death was changed from pollution and climate change in Millar's run to "the sun will inexplicably weaken" here.

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>>83744174
>retcons
>retcons everywhere

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I'm going to take a short break so that I can poo

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IT'S TIME

>>83744378
You know, the whole War of the Four Cities didn't really seem to go anywhere in the end

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>>83744396
Wasn't Hickman's run cut short?

>>83744407
>>83744419
>>83744428
So much boring techno-babble

>>83744457
This plot was pretty dumb too
>Namor lets make peace with these other Atlanteans
>NO! Thousands of years ago they were bad! So they're definetly bad now! They're going to kill you! I'll kill their King!
>Actually, we're not bad, in fact, we're making Susan our new Queen
>Namor, honor the deal because I say so. Also, you won't suffer any consequences for killing the king
>OK...but I'm only doint it because you're hot

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>>83744492
>>83744499
This feels so contrived

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>>83744519
That's because it is. It's a pointless non-death that's there to drive up sales.

>>83744483
Wait a minute, I just thought of a way to do this without anyone staying behind.
HAVE ONE OF THE ROBOTS DO IT. Reed has a bunch of Herbies dicking around in the lab. They should have acted with more urgency and speed instead of standing around talking.

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>>83744582
>THE LAST STAND OF HERBIE
I'd read it

>>83744649
Reed, if your wife wants to be alone, having your fingers go all around her force field won't help

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This issue is kind of genuinely sad

>>83744719
Wait, how many people live in Latveria? Because that's a HUGE crowd.

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I love this part.

>>83744810
When I first read it I got watery eyes no kidding. The thing that's without letters makes it much better.

>>83744789
>>83744800
Valeria looks pretty tall for a 4 year-old

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>>83744835
Shit, I am now. It's a powerful issue.

>>83744823
>>83744837
Banner and Thor are such bros

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I remember the Hulk letting Spider-Man do this in an issue too. I wish I could remember the issue it was though.

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>Hickman will never take Spider-Man over from Slott
Feews bad man

>>83744971
>can I borrow a dollar

>>83744947
>>83744962
Shouldn't you be asking for permission first Spidey?

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>>83745028
Why would he need to? He's practically family

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I remember buying this purely because Sue looked like Mary Elizabeth Winstead on the cover

>>83745119
>After decades of being apart
BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE STORIES WHERE NATHANIEL RICHARDS WAS INVOLVED WITH THE FANTASTIC FOUR NEVER HAPPENED, RIGHT?
Why did Hickman want to use Nathaniel if he clearly didn't care about any of the stories he'd ever been in?

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>>83745158
Because "muh family". It's like how Fox tried to make Johnny black and then act like it was the same.

>>83745185
Hickman could have at least had the decency to pretend those stories with Nathaniel still happened instead of acting like this is the first time Reed has seen him in decades. It would have changed very little

>>83745215
I still don't get why AIM would want the Wizard of all people to be their new leader

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>>83745228
He only cares about continuity if it fits his story. I know people like to say it's Bendis, but Hickman is the Geoff Johns of Marvel

>>83745284
>>83745293
You're not giving a dissenting opinion since you're not explaining WHY terraforming the moon is a "terrible idea". Seriously, why? Sounds like a good idea to me.

>>83745322
How exactly could Reed be even worse at the age of 4? He wasn't a super-genius at that age, and he definetly wasn't making deals with super-villains

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>>83745346
Because Hickman said so

Given how much the narrative said "All hope lies in Doom" and how Nathaniel and Valeria insisted that he was super necessary, in the end I don't think he was. Which is weird, since Hikcman plotted the whole thing, you'd think he'd have made him essential.

>>83745315

It'll piss off the Inhumans, the Watcher, and any number of Earth-based nations who have strict treaties regarding lunar colonization. We have several treaties about it in reality, and we haven't had dozens of alien races leaving their technology up there to find. (Unless NASA's lying to us.) Plus, it sends a message to the rest of the universe that Earth's ready to become part of the interstellar community, when it isn't.

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>>83745399
You're forgetting Secret Wars, anon.

>>83745400
I could argue most of those points, but hey, you pur more effort than Nathaniel did.

>>83745413
I meant in the FF run itself. Besides, Nathaniel and Valeria had no way of knowing about Secret Wars.

>>83745434
>>83745439
DECOMPRESSION

>>83745399
Hickman has a curse upon him. His build-up is one of the best in business, the pay-off is mediocre at best.

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>>83745472
LAZINESS

>>83745482
Remember Validator? Illuminated anon gave it a better pay-off than Hickman did.

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>>83745482
THIS

>>83745488
>>83745498
I can't help but notice that Hickman glosses over the rest of Kristoff's history. Probably because Kristoff rebelled pretty openly against Doom (in fact, most recently he's the one that did the Venom bomb to frame Doom into getting deposed before Dark Reign), which would contradict this subservient take he has here.

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Continued >>83745541

>>83745457
Not long before Sentry was about to change two worlds by precisely hitting someone and something, it only depends on how hard you hit ya fuckwit

>>83745265
This page.