How are you coping with the death of storytelling? Where people

>it's a "Marvel is literally the only comic publisher that exists" thread

Cool.

Because when they do end up writing the bad guy's dialogue out we end up with endless "Red Skull was right" threads.

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>>83686617
>Marvel

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>>83686636
Isn't that a flaw of the writer then?

A good writer is able to get their message across through their paneling and their dialogue choices.

Even a mediocre writer can do the same by just making everything over the top.

It's a truly bad writer who is so poor with how they deliver their message that it ends up making people believe the opposite.

>>83686617
Not OP but for me, I grew up loving Marvel.

I don't mind sjw stuff...Marvel has always been on a liberal bend but nowadays instead of telling they just scream it.

And if you disagree? Fuck you, HITLER.

>>83686650
Alright, but that's a completely difference thing there, that's inserting real life politics in your comic books, no matter how cheesy you think it is, it still follows story structure, allowing you to know what's happening, unlike OP's example.

>>83686697
>And if you disagree? Fuck you, HITLER.

citation needed

>>83686592
>How are you coping with the death of storytelling?
Media has always been used as a platform for expressing one's views. Literally since the idea of fiction came about, people have used it to get a point across.

Get over it, and shut the fuck up. Nobody is forcing you to read this stuff. Fuckin' crybaby.

>>83686636
Also this. You can't have compelling villains anymore, because edgelord readers will immediately side with them.

Would you prefer if storytelling stayed exactly the same as last decade, or the decade before it, while the rest of human expression actually reflected modern human behavior? Because that's how a tradition dies. Stories must reflect the times they're made in. We scream at each other, so our stories scream at us too.

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>>83686712
I'm even a liberal and I think Red Skull has a valid point here.

I swear to god, between this page and the Red Skull page I don't know which triggers /pol/tards more.

>>83686650
Far less retarded than say some Asgard local knowing the matters of MRA/Casual racism, & having opinions on Israel's right to defend itself.

>>83686778

That's literally the entire point you fuckwit. Do you think fascists get in to power by NOT playing off of valid fears?

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>>83686716
You're missing the point I'm trying to make. I don't have a problem with the view being expressed in that comic. I have a problem with how they're being delivered because they lack any sort of finesse or art to them. The idea that any words should be considered "too taboo" to read is insane.

Like we're going back to the days where copies of Huckleberry Finn were removed because they had the word nigger in them.

>>83686760
I do not agree. I believe storytelling as a medium is not assisted by suddenly feelings subjects are too taboo to talk up without BIG BLACK BOXES TELLING YOU HOW BAD THEY ARE.

It'd be like watching a documentary on the holocaust but then when they want to show you accounts of the subject you just get a blank screen saying "SOME PRETTY AWFUL STUFF WE AREN'T COMFORTABLE SHOWING"

>>83686816
Thats...literally how any politician ever wins you fucking mouth breather.

What do you think, people running for office just say "Everything's fine, don't change a thing!"?

>>83686792
/pol/tards are just as easy to trigger as SJWs
Just take whatever you would say to trigger a SJW and say the opposite

>>83686592

Wait, is this not a shop? Holy fuck.

>>83686896
>I have a problem with how they're being delivered because they lack any sort of finesse or art to them.
Bullshit. If that were the case, you would've specified that in the beginning. Either you're yet another asshole who will not stop whining about DA SJWS IS TAKING A WAY MUH COMICS, or you suck at articulating your thoughts. Either way, you're an annoying little faggot who needs to shut up and kill yourself.

>>83687076
He might be bad at articulating his thoughts, but it's undeniable that this is an issue with comic books right now

>>83687076
Yeah this, also kill all whites and support the refugees

>>83686592
I cope by not reading those shitty comics. People act like the majority of comics do nothing but spout sjw nonsense like this in idiotic ways like this.
Christ how manu fucking threads has this dumb page on a comic utterly reviled and already cancelled gonna get posted as if its the hottest thing oing right now.

Cooe by just reading other shit you fucking oversensitive faggot.

>>83687156
I don't fuckin' care. Bad writing and gimmicks have been a thing in fiction since the birth of made up stories. I'm sick and tired of hearing the lot of you retarded sacks of rat filth bitching about it 24/7, nonstop. If you dislike a book/series, throw it against the wall and move on to something you enjoy, like a sane person would. Whatever the main issue with the medium is, it will pass in time like all the other questionable trends. Pouches went away eventually, so will this.

Again, get over it, and shut the fuck up.

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>>83687242
Why are you so invested in wanting discussion about this to stop?

Why do you feel the need to try and quash it rather than just ignore it like you're telling us to do about said comics?

You're being hypocritical.

>>83687004
That's kind of what Hillary's doing

>>83686650
>Batman thinks cops should just let 6'3" 'youths' rush and jump them

>>83687242
People are passionate about these characters.

>>83687285
>Why are you so invested in wanting discussion about this to stop?
Because it's annoying as fuck, and NEVER stops. That is all anyone does on this damn site anymore, is bitch about Tumblr.SJWs/whatever.

>Why do you feel the need to try and quash it rather than just ignore it like you're telling us to do about said comics?
Because I cannot discuss anything I like anymore since idiots like you will seek out anything you think is progressive and start a huge shitstorm about it.

>You're being hypocritical.
Maybe I am, but again, I don't fuckin' care. You're an annoying faggot, and you need to shut your damn hole until you can make something worthwhile come out of it.

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>>83687434
Cry more faggot.

No, seriously, the shit's on topic, and as long as that holds true, mouthbreathing little wankstains who want to dictate what a fella can or can not talk about can suck my fucking dick and stroke my fucking balls.

Kys.

>>83687026
Wait... What. This was the actual comic page? I thought this just a shop the entire time.

>>83686716
Inherently, there's nothing wrong with readers sympathizing with the villains. Good villains can have that effect, especially when the point is that they're charismatic populists. You had this with Amon, in Legend of Korra. He sold a story everyone wanted to hear, including the "all men rape" Tumblr crowd. I don't know if you've had a look at Tumblr while that season was running, but pretty much all the permanently offended tumblrina's were siding with Amon.

And yeah, Amon put their whole "equal results" approach to social justice into practice. But Amon was also revealed to be a hypocrite who had ulterior motives.

Gul Dukat from DS9 is also an example of a charismatic villain. He's loyal to his people, seems much more accepting of others than what is the norm for his society, and so on. Like Amon, there are times he makes a lot of sense, and seems like he might get redemption and move towards the lighter side of the spectrum. But he's also a controlling maniac, and is probably only not a rapist because he's just such a manipulative bastard. Like Amon, he crosses the line from charismatic champion into crazy, self-serving cult leader territory.

But you know what sets those two apart from Red Skull? They both support fantasy causes, and their reasoning is eventually shown to be false. For Red Skull they basically lift a real life opinion they don't agree with, and shoehorn it into a villain role. And any point the writer might make about how he's really just a cult leader, like the others mentioned, is cut short by that. Because all that does is insult the genuine concerns real life people already have. If you make him say communist shit instead, you'd be seeing reposts on Reddit about how he's actually right, and Captain America is just a jingoist, nationalist bully.

In short: No, it's you who is the edgelord.

>>83686592
>only one publish does this much
>even then it's just a handful of books/writers
>even then those books mostly sell like garbage
You really are a big baby, you know that?

>>83687497
Didn't Nick Spencer say he lifted Red Skull's dialogue straight from extremist group recruitment speeches?

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>>83687497
>Tumblr tumblr, tumblr tumblr tumblr tumblr. Tumblr tumblr tumblr, tumblr tumblr.

>>83687561

Part of it has to do with white men having such a grip over popular culture that the slight uptick in women and minorities having major roles in popular culture as some kind of attack on them personally. The percentage is pretty fucking small, but it's still noticeable by comparison.

>>83687285
Because constant threads moaning and mewing about the horrid woebegotten era comics have come to are fucking tiresome. This stupid page has been bitched about a hundred fucking times. So if you feel the need to continue crying about how it ruined everything I'll feel free to wander in here and call you a faggot for doing so.

>>83687614
Literally triggered

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>>83687683
I agree, fucking sexist manbabies baka

>>83687718

I think that movie looks like shit while also thinking the reaction around it is fucking retarded.

Everyone from all sides seem to be acting like a moron around it.

>>83687004
>What do you think, people running for office just say "Everything's fine, don't change a thing!"?
That's the literal platform of any conservative group.

>>83687573
I don't know, but it's definitely the point that he's just taking shit people in real life already agree with, and he doesn't. There's nothing particularly smart about just taking people you dislike in real life, and making them the villains in your wish fulfillment comic. Especially because these guys sure as shit haven't strapped bombs to themselves, as they do in the comic. That's basically just propaganda. In fact, you could replace what he says with any other ideology, and nothing changes. Just make Red Skull a muslim, and you'll have complaints about wrongful representation within no time, no matter if you lift his speech directly from Anjem Choudary.

>>83687614
I mention Tumblr literally twice. Because the people who sided with a cartoon villain professed their support for him on that, specific site.

But it figures you mongs who just want to see your own political opinion reflected back at you in fiction couldn't form a coherent argument if your life depended on it.

>>83687886
Make Red Skull a Muslim, and he's an ISIS recruiter

>>83687718
I agree with that Devin Farci one. The sheer amount of anger over what looks to be an unfunny comedy is absurd. All y'all need to calm the fuck down.

>>83687763
Frankly, I blame Bill Murray. Dude just has to be soooo picky about his projects, they decided to just say fuck it and reboot the franchise. And now Akroyd is dead, so that's especially never fucking happening.

>>83687886
>I mention Tumblr literally twice.
I don't care. Tired of hearing about Tumblr all the fucking time. If you cannot make your point without mentioning or referencing Tumblr, you can just go right ahead and not post.

>>83687718
>complaining that people complain about a movie
>still complaining about Star Trek V 30 years after the fact

Star Trek V wasn't even that bad, really.

>>83687941
Ramis is dead, Aykroyd's fine

>>83688117
My bad.

>>83688007
Yeah, it kinda was.

>>83686592
By reading things I consider good and ignoring things I consider bad

You should try doing it sometime

>>83687919
Well, yeah. It would be pretty fitting, given that Captain America started out as a propaganda tool who punched Hitler's lights out, and then just left for some reason instead of ending the war then and there.

But where ISIS is a genocidal foreign regime at war with the entire world, the people he's pointing his arrows at are... well, regular people. And saying "if you don't agree with my politics you're a literal suicide bomber bamboozled by smarter men to do their dirty work", you're not really writing a smart villain or making smart commentary. And the most likely response will be "right back at ya, commie".

>>83687996
Then maybe just stop moaning and piss off. I'm trying to make a point, here. And if you can't read a normal post without getting triggered at the mention of one of the most popular websites on the internet, especially for discussing pop culture, you can find some hugbox to be stupid in.

And the point is, you bumblecuck, that while people are moaning about right wingers agreeing with Red Skull, the literal polar opposite of what they represent agreed with another cartoon villain. Of course, the difference is that people agree with Red Skull because he's just saying shit they already believed, while people sided with Amon because they legitimately bought into the arguments of a literal cartoon villain.

>>83686592
>poeple say sjw cancer is s meme
>they say /co/mblr isn't real

well guess what. you fucks chose this future.

>>83686716

This is the entire problem right here, that you can't handle reading opinions you disagree with without screaming SHUT THE FUCK UP FUCKING CRYBABY SHUT UP.

So if a story has an actual villain in it who does bad things, you can't deal with it and start yelling SHUT THE FUCK UP FUCKING CRYBABY SHUT UP at your screen.

You literally need to grow the fuck up and learn to deal with things in the world that you don't like without shouting SHUT THE FUCK UP like a huge overgrown baby

>>83688210
Meh, people give it a rough deal, but compared to the other Trek films, I'd say they're massively overreacting. And I certainly prefer it over some of the TNG films. Insurrection is still painful to watch.

And at least V has a three-titted cat lady.

>>83687347
>runnjng against a socialist jew and an orange meme

Neither of whom really have much experience in running for office.

She definitely wasn't the more popular of the candidates though. She just knows how to play the game a lot better.

>>83688285
>I'm trying to make a point, here.
You're really not. You think you are, but all you're doing is whining, and it comes across like you're new to comics and aren't aware that this kind of stuff happens all the time.

>>83688363
The irony here is that you're doing exactly what you accusing me of. You can't even consider the idea that you're being an obnoxious prick. At this point it doesn't matter what you're trying to say, you never stop saying it. Very loudly and with disturbing frequency.

>>83688412
>She definitely wasn't the more popular of the candidates though. She just knows how to play the game a lot better.

I'm willing to bet that's exactly why she's less popular. Bernouts and Drumpfers are the people who are tired of the game being played either way.

>>83687941
>Frankly, I blame Bill Murray.

Yeah fuck him for not wanting to be in another shitty sequel. Maybe Sony should have just taken the fucking hint and not bothered making another Ghostbusters.

>>83687076
>you would've specified that in the beginning
He did.

>>83686592
>Where people literally can't handle writing dialogue for a villain you're supposed to hate and have to insert immersion shattering 4th wall breaking "jokes"

See? Right there it is.

>>83686592
>>83686636

When modern liberals try to write heroes and villains

- they write heroes as irrational angry narcissists, because modern liberals are irrational angry narcissists

- they write villains as reasonable people who make rational arguments for their views, because the modern liberal definition of "villain" is "those fucking shitty goddam fucking assholes fuck who makes rational arguments for their views, shut the fuck up delete your account"

>>83688481
Oh please, you haven't made a single argument in this entire discussion, and got triggered from me mentioning Tumblr. You're the one who's whining, and you're whining about me using a word that upsets you.

You seem to be the exact embodiment of the culture of permanent offense. The fact that you're upset is the only thing you need to feel like you're in the right.

Just fuck off to Reddit or something so you can hang out in some heavily moderated sub and receive downvote anything you don't like.

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>>83687718
>You're whining about the Ghostbuster Reboot because you're still a child and need to grow up
I mean, the person who would entitle an article that is probably a cunt but the core point is sound.
I saw the trailer, thought it looked shit, and left it at that. I only even remember this movie's a thing due to other people being so mad they bring it into unrelated online discussions. Like, oh, right now.

>>83688481
>He shouts SHUT THE FUCK UP CRYBABY SHUT UP
>I say "you should stop shouting SHUT THE FUCK UP CRYBABY SHUT UP at everything"
>he says i'm doing the same thing he is

You can't really make up the totally detatched-from-reality irrationality of the modern trigglypuff tumblrbaby liberal

They think rational points are the same as irrational crybaby whining because they don't actually know the difference between rational points and irrational crybaby whining

>>83688634
Ghostbusters is a lot of people in the 30 y.o. demographic's favorite film of all time. It died off for a long time, so it's not looked at as a phenomenon the way, like, Batman is...but it's always been a huge deal to a lot of nerddom, just in a quiet and subdued way until the remake came along.

>>83687718
Post it.

>>83687683

What it mostly has to do with is that white men are being personally attacked by women and minorities

They literally can't just write or create their own movies or characters and are only happy when they take something away from white men

And then if white men shrug and say fuck it and create their own new thing then the women and minorities start bitching and whinging for a piece of that

And then if the white men have the gall to like a female or minority character the dykes hate it and have to make the character a white man hating miserable dyke

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>>83688634
Here's the thing, James said flat out why he thought the new one looks like shit and said he would not review it or acknowledge it, and that we should vote with our wallet and stop funding these awful remakes. That's all he said. Then SJWs and /co/ went berserk about what a sexist manbaby he is and how he hates womyn.

>>83687718
I think there's a lot of truth to this
I mean, remember the pictures of the nughostbusters visited the hospital and that one guy made that copypasta that got posted to hell
the one about the sick dying 9 year old who wanted to see the original cast so badly even though the movies came out 30 years ago
That shit was purely anger based upon the fact that it was new and not the original and filled with women
I'm not saying the ghostbusters movie will be good, but I do think that there's a lot of unwarranted hate

>>83686592
You read capeshit, stop pretending like you were ever interested in good storytelling

>>83688858
OK /co/mblr. Naturally things can't be good and bad on their own merits and there's always a sexist and racist agenda behind it all.

>>83688858

only /co/ has this mindset that things made before the year 2007 are garbage and everything afterwards is fucking gold because it's progressive

>>83686592
>How are you coping with the death of storytelling?

Not that big a problem for me since I don't read capeshit

>>83688843
he wasn't even that autistic in the video. It was clear he made it to address his fans who were asking for his thoughts about the new Ghostbusters flick. He was pretty calm and collected. But hey, he's your typical white male nerd stereotype so let's attack his weak ass

>>83688886
But if you read that copypasta, and you weren't an idiot, you'd be able to see that the point of view from that 9 year old was completely unrealistic
What 9 year old is going to complain about the ghost busters not being the originals from the 80s?
Especially when jank ripoffs of childhood characters charge 10 dollars up and down times square just to take a picture
That was even before the trailers were out

>>83687076
We got what he was saying it's just you that didnt.

>>83688858
If I was a sick child and wanted to meet the ghostbusters, it would have to be the original cast, how the fuck would I know about this new movie if I was in and out of the hospital, let alone the fact that the movie isn't even out?

>>83686592
You all know this book was cancelled after 7 issues, yes?

>>83688634
I can see the point in both sides of the coin, really. I'm in the same boat: I rejected reboots a long time ago. When something says "reboot", I automatically assume it's a brand name cash-in with only a tenuous relation to the original product. I don't really care what they do, because I don't see it as part of the original product, and studio's have been doing it for ages. I mean, I can't really get pissed off at the RoboCop reboot when the fucker had his own saturday morning cartoon, now can I?

But at the same time just saying "it's shit" seems to be taboo, and is immediately represented as the opinion of a lonely, virgin (and WHITE MALE) nerd with nothing better to do in life. And I'm sorry, but it's people's goddamn right to moan and bitch about this shit for as much as they want. No-one got upset, for instance, about people pointing out that RoboCop's direct-to-video sequals were absolute shit that didn't mirror the original classic.

At the end of the day "it sucks" is a legitimate opinion about any piece of media. And if you can motivate it, it only becomes more legitimate. What people are doing is pre-empting the discussion and saying that people are basically not allowed to motivate why they think it sucks.

Sure, the people who claim it's ruining their childhood are idiots. But a reviewer saying he isn't going to review a movie that he knows he isn't going to enjoy is just doing his fucking job as he sees fit.

>>83688906
/tv/ please leave
I say /tv/, but really I could say literally any board because it's obvious you don't post here often

>>83688949
Yes it's completely unheard of for anyone not in their 30's to know the Ghostbusters

Are you fucking retarded

>>83688831

>They literally can't just write or create their own movies or characters and are only happy when they take something away from white men

Because they're tired of hearing "Oh, you'll get your turn to make your own work eventually" like they have for decades.

And basing works off of established properties is literally the only way to get things made nowadays unless you're an established auteur. Original works will not get funded. And then the companies wont' make any original female works because they aren't "demographically broad" enough.

It's a self-perpetuating circle with no end, and since women and minorities have to play by an established set of "playing fair" rules or they get branded as enemies, it's the perfect setup for them to never actually get anything made. But at least they're playing by the rules that other people established for them, that makes it totally okay that they'll never get anything mainstream made.

>>83688961
hey fuck you kid, you had one wish and you blew it, you should have been specific you niglet.

>>83688989
the /co/mblr is strong here

>>83686592

I'd be more worried about this if the book hadn't been cancelled. It turns out that the books people actually want to read mostly still feature

1. storytelling, and

2. white men

The actually funny thing about Angela is that when it got cancelled, SJWs blamed men for not supporting it.

Becaues not only do they feel entitled to hate men, they feel entitled to have men support their hatred, by buying the comics they put it in.

>>83688858
>sick dying 9 year old who wanted to see the original cast so badly even though the movies came out 30 years ago

You do realize parents show Ghostbusters to their kids all the time, right?

It's, like, an American classic. It's probably passed on to younger generations almost as consistently as shit like Star Wars and Lion King. It reruns on cable a lot too.

>>83688961
>>83688984
How would a 9 year old even know about the ghost busters, is the real question
Have you interacted with children? Like ever?
They cannot even figure out how vhs tapes work
They barely recognize characters from the 90s, let alone the 80s

The ghostbusters visited that hospital as a promotional stunt
Nobody asked them to be there, it was just on good will and good marketing

>>83688858
>>83688949

So you're telling me kids today don't know anything from the original Star Wars because they were made decades ago?

>>83686592
>>That the bad guy's actions and words would clearly explain that he is a bad guy and thus you should condemn them is no longer an appropriate option.
Wait, so you think that's not being lazy? You need the bad guy to walk around in all black covered in skulls and a hate that says BAD GUY?
Jokes don't make the writing bad, it's the placement and context that matter

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>>83689061
>good marketing
>good

>>83688858
I think you're missing the point.

It might not have been put very eloquently, to say the least, but that hospital visit was a hugely dishonest PR move, and it's kind of disgusting.

The crux is that the movie isn't even out yet. No-one has seen it, and no-one has any real bond with the characters. So to go the children's hospital in costume isn't an act of charity. It's a PR stunt. And PR stunts posing as charity are fucking horrible.

If they'd done it after the movie was out, fine. Everyone understands that, just the same as no-one is laying into that millionaire who dresses up as Batman and visits sick kids. But to pretend that they went there for any other reason than to shill their shitty movie is just a lie.

>>83688989
>Because they're tired of hearing "Oh, you'll get your turn to make your own work eventually" like they have for decades.

Nobody has ever told anyone there were turns.

If you want to make something, you make it. Right now, in the present. That's never not been how it works.

I don't know who told you there were turns or why you believed them. Steven Spielberg didn't sit in a studio lobby for 20 years with a pile of finished scripts waiting for his meeting, man. The very concept doesn't even make sense.

>>83689034
>You do realize parents show Ghostbusters to their kids all the time, right?
No they don't, they really don't
Most parents understand that they cannot force their kids to like all the same things that they did when they were younger

>>83688989
>"Oh, you'll get your own turn eventually"

Who the fuck says this? Are you telling me all these movies with female leads have never existed and only ape up already eatablish franchises?

>>83688949
Not that anon, but when I was 9, I was addicted to Nick at Nite, and marathon-ed Taxi and I Love Lucy a lot. There are kids that, their favorite books are by CS Lewis or J. R. R. Tolkien.
So, it's not TOO unbelievable that there could, conceivably, be nine year olds now that like a movie from the 80s.

And even if there weren't, you care way too much about a shitty little copypasta.

>>83689061
>They cannot even figure out how vhs tapes work

Good thing Ghostbusters is on DVD and Blu-Ray

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>>83689061
>vhs tapes

Dude, Ghostbusters gets a new re-release like every 5 years.

>>83689061
>they can't figure out how tapes work
>you can't see ghostbusters on dvd or blu-ray or stream it
>you can't have a parent or sibling put it on for you
>no, you sit there and die

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>>83689093
Delete your account

>>83689077
it got you to start talking about the movie
all press is good press

>>83689080
see>>83689061

>>83689106
yeah but you're a huge nerd and there are really no channels that do that
I mean, boomerang isn't even a thing anymore

>>83689112
That wasn't the point
The point is you can't expect kids to understand past technology in the same way you can't expect kids to be introduced to past movies and media

>>83686592
Kill yourself OP
Read good comics, ignore the bad, don't bitch like a 10 year old

>>83689061
>The ghostbusters visited that hospital as a promotional stunt

That's the fucking point, you idiot. It's not charity when you're doing it for your own benefit. It's just a bunch of people in costume showing up at a hospital, which puts them on the same level as those fursuiters who pull that shit. Except those fursuiters aren't trying to plug their movie, and actually look like shit the kids might give a damn about.

As for the rest, have you heard about these little things called "TV" and "parents"? I don't know about you, but I grew up on media that was decades older than I was.

>>83689091

Is this the part where you tell me that women have the exact same opportunities as men and every story about them being given less funding or denied jobs was part of laziness?

Hell, look at the scene now. Any guy who makes a mildly successful indie movie gets Superhero Project #476 thrown at them, women get nothing unless it's a "women character" and then they shit on because it's discrimination against men who want that project.

>Steven Spielberg

The studio system was entirely different back then.

>>83689166
How can he read good comics if he kills himself?

>>83689166
>you can't be critical of something or else it's bitching
>you can't tell people why you didn't buy it so that they learn not to continue down that path and make something better

>>83689093
You really do think every person in the world's life experiences are identical to yours, don't you?

I've been to cons in Ghostbusters cosplay and little kids run up all the time recognizing it and wanting pictures. It's still a thing, man.

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>big two hyper commercialized comics are representative of the whole industry

>>83689112
>>83689130

>dvd
>blu ray

>https://www.amazon.com/Ghostbusters-Paddi-Edwards/dp/B00170GXYO
>ghostbusters.1984.1989.duology.720p.brrip.x264.ac3.m2g.torrent

>>83689061
You know there was a video game back in 09 right?
And another one in 2011.

>>83689164
>all press is good press

Which is why they're moaning that people are shooting this movie down before it's even out, no doubt.

>>83689080 (You)
see>>83689061
see>>83689184

>>83688989
Sound more like the blockbuster system has fucked Hollywood so hard that new ideas are banned. In any case, female leads and minorities are basically new hats; gimmicks to hide how creatively bankrupt Hollywood is. I'm not a white male but I found it fucking offensive. This is literally being an uncle Tom

Remember when leftists used to call corporations for their bullshit? Now they're looking for their approval

>>83689189
What does that scenario have to do with original properties vs. remakes?

How does a woman have better odds of getting work if she copies something that already exists than if she makes something new?

And you still didn't answer who told you there were "turns"?

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>>83689220
>the tiny shitpit of indie comics that aren't walking dead mattering to anyone, anywhere

>>83689189
I like how you don't provide sources for you wild accusations. And what the fuck is a woman characyer? Is it sexist to cast a woman in a role with a woman in mind now?

>>83689184
>I grew up on media that was decades older than I was
>>83689136
>you can't have a parent or sibling put it on for you
>>83689130
>Ghostbusters gets a new re-release like every 5 years.

There's an entire series on youtube where you can see kids finding out about things from the 80s and 90s, and they absolutely nothing
If you seriously think that kids are on the up and up about shit you grew up with, then please go out get some examples

>>83688608
>Oh please, you haven't made a single argument in this entire discussion
Because I don't have anything to say about the issue in question. I'm just stuck in the middle of all this whoreshit unable to discuss the things I enjoy because retards like you insist on making absolutely everything part of a conspiracy perpetuated by some imaginary enemy.

4chan was never good, but it was never intolerable as it is now. It was at one point possible to talk about stuff without someone demanding you take sides in some manufactured Internet turf war that you don't fucking care about.

Your main complaint seems to be "I don't like bad writing.". What, do you want a medal? I can only say "Get the fuck over it." so many times.

>>83689275
they 'absolutely nothing' what you dumb fuck?

>>83689164
>yeah but you're a huge nerd and there are really no channels that do that
Okay you must not be in America because dude Comedy Central airs Ghostbusters 1 and 2 like once a month, on average, and has for years.

>>83689214
>You really do think every person in the world's life experiences are identical to yours
That's literally what we are doing, comparing experiences with children
I've seen teens not recognize nintendo characters, and nintendo characters that have had games come out like every 3 years

>>83689226
Yeah, those were super popular
Everyone knows about those, totally

>>83689275
What the fuck does that matter? Do you think just because it's child they can't see old media? That a kid won't be planted to a tv if you provide them with an old kids show because TVs are older than them? That is some stupid way to deflect the argument.

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Man, this thread is just a disappointment.

I really wanted this thread to segway into a discussion of storytelling in comics done right vs done wrong but all it is YOUR POLITICAL BELIEFS ARE WRONG VS NO YOUR POLITICAL BELIEFS ARE WRONG

>>83689297
recognize

>>83689305
The only thing I can find about ghostbusters airing on CC is something from 2 years ago

>>83689275
Dude, they have like five people at a time on those youtube shows and they;'re deliberately looking for funny reactions.

You're like a person who watches America's Funniest Home Videos and then assumes that everyone who's ever played football has been hit in the nuts with the ball.

>>83689189
>The studio system was entirely different back then.
Explain how.
Or replace Spielberg with Tyler Perry. Same damn thing.

>>83689230

the moaning generates more press

>>83689289
>4chan was never good, but it was never intolerable as it is now. It was at one point possible to talk about stuff without someone demanding you take sides in some manufactured Internet turf war that you don't fucking care about.

I'll take Made up Bullshit for 800, Alex.

>>83686592

Eh, there hasn't really been any storytelling in comics since Alan Moore quit and became a full-time wizard.

>>83689328
I think because children have access to a larger pool of current media, on their phones tablets computers or televisions
I'm not saying that they can't watch older media, I'm saying that it's unlikely that they would since there's so much stuff out there that's targeted for this specific demographic

>>83689309
>I've met a lot of stupid people

>that's incontrovertible proof that all people are stupid and all pessimism is justified

>>83689333
Why in the unholy fuck would you think you would get any sort of intelligent conversation going on /co/ of all places, using the picture you posted? Not to mention you consider Marvel and DC to be the end all be all of storytelling. I'm calling bullshit.

>>83689377
Ok? Does that rule out the possibility that a sick kid will not catch a ghostbusters showing or have a relative that shows them to them will they are sufferisng or in the hospital, where the only source of media you have is a tv planted firmly on the wall?

>>83689371
Hey tumblr.

>>83689371
>I'll take Made up Bullshit for 800, Alex.
You'd know if you weren't a recruit fresh from reddit corps

>>83689333
No, yo

>>83689275
>go out get some examples

Like the guy who said he goes to cons in Ghostbusters costume, opposed to your... You Tube show?

You're full of shit, mate. You're literally trying to make the point that no kid -ever- watches media that's older than they are. And that's fucking retarded. When I was a kid, I watched shit from the 60's. So why can't a modern kid watch shit from the 80's, huh? Why is that so impossible?

>>83689333
>I really wanted this thread to segway into a discussion of storytelling in comics done right vs done wrong
Blame OP for using that image and deliberately inviting said branch of "discussion".

Also,
>trying to have interesting conversation
>on 4chan
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!

>>83689371
Don't delude yourself. You can't post anything anymore without someone accusing you of being an SJW. Things were never this bad before that GamerGate crap.

>>83689421
>>83689425
Wow, how ironic to becalled a newfag in the hive of fags. If you truly believe this hasn't been a thing for years, you're just fucking delusional.

>>83689309
>Yeah, those were super popular
>Everyone knows about those, totally
They got relatively good scores and broke the million sales barrier in the first month, so yes, they were decently popular.

>>83689340
>The only thing I can find about ghostbusters airing on CC is something from 2 years ago
Are you out of the US? Because they just aired Ghostbusters 2 a month ago for some Chris Hardwick special bullshit. They do it every Halloween without fial too, for example.

The Ghostbusters movies are like the Fifth Element was a few years ago; you can always catch them somewhere.

>>83689455
Yes they were, I left this fucking board for because of that shit alone.

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>it's a "/co/ pretends to hate /pol/ while acting just like them" episode

You are all worthless

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>>83689289
>SJW totally BTFOd
>Now it's trying this

they only really have like three tricks

>>83689289
>Because I don't have anything to say about the issue in question

Then stop responding to posts talking about it, being all bitter that said posts are being made while also whining like a little bitch.

> I can only say "Get the fuck over it." so many times.

Nigger, you're on the comics and cartoons board. Where people talk about comics and cartoons. And your entire complaint is that people are talking about bad writing in comics and cartoons IN THE THREAD ABOUT BAD WRITING IN COMICS AND CARTOONS.

You are a special sort of clueless, you really are. You're just looking for shit to be angry about, aren't you?

>>83689466
You'd have more of a leg to stand on if it wasn't so obvious you just discovered this place a couple weeks ago. Anyone who's been here for at least the last 5 years can tell you that there was a massive change.

>>83689289

So you can't enjoy the shitty SJW comics like angela that you enjoy because people keep saying that it's SJW shitpile?

Bawwwwwww, poor li'l baby

>>83686592

Holy fuck I can't believe bad comics exist. This is the death of the medium. Never before have we ever had a bad comic, and now that this abomination showed up, it's all over. Because a bad comic was made (which is something that has never happened before), the ENTIRE MEDIUM OF SEQUENTIAL ART IS DYING. It was a good run you guys, but it's over now.

>>83689454
>Like the guy who said he goes to cons in Ghostbusters costume, opposed to your... You Tube show?
>WHEN I WAS
And your personal anecdotes about how things worked when you are a kid are more relevant than actual modern children, how?

>>83689289

Everyone knows this post is bullshit because if it were in any way true you wouldn't be here whining SHUT UP SHITPISSBABY SHUT UP

You'd be in your own thread about whatever non-cancerous shit you enjoy talking about that in there

>>83689466
>I may be a newfag but I'm also a faggot
It's funny how I'm in an argument with people who insist that people are still able to consume media from the past when you couldn't even lurk long enough to know what the fuck happened 6 years ago

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>>83688608

Are you implying that /pol/ doesn't get offended as easily as tumblr?

>>83689548
Cosplay guy's anecdote included actual modern children.

>>83686592
It was a gag in a shit book with a history of breaking the fourth wall that doesn't exist anymore.

Could you be any more autistic if you tried?

>>83689607
And my anecdote is readily available to confirm on the internet

>>83689455
> You can't post anything anymore without someone accusing you of being an SJW
You also can't even make a joke post without people screaming "BAIT" and accusing you of trying to shill or other things to that affect anymore which is really sad, 4chan as a whole is really just way more on edge than it used to be.

>>83689538

You'd sound like less of an idiot if you recognized that changes in the industry are going to be reflected on the board

Marvel started flogging Sjw shit hard, so the board started talking about Sjw shit. If you don't like it, get Marvel to stop flogging Sjw shit.

Of course this is all bullshit, you're just dickhurt because you like the Sjw shit

>>83689626
the fact that it broke the 4th wall wasn't the problem

>>83689520
>Then stop responding to posts talking about it, being all bitter that said posts are being made while also whining like a little bitch.
Fuck you. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go way. You bunch of pathetic faggots will continue to loudly bitch about DA ENEMY. You need to know that this shit is not okay.

>Nigger, you're on the comics and cartoons board. Where people talk about comics and cartoons. And your entire complaint is that people are talking about bad writing in comics and cartoons IN THE THREAD ABOUT BAD WRITING IN COMICS AND CARTOONS.
But you're not talking about bad writing. You're yammering on about SJWs and how they're supposedly ruining comics. Like I said in the beginning, media has always been used as a platform for expressing one's views, and yes, often it leads to poor writing. But that's not what you're talking about. You're just using that topic as an excuse to bitch about Tumblr, just like every other fucking thread on this piece of shit website.

>>83689548
>asks for examples
>rejects examples when given

Nigger, your dumb, manufactured YouTube show is just as anecdotal. And unless you can show some real statistics detailing children's familiarity with media, with a good sample size, everything is.

You're not making any fucking sense. Like I said, you're trying to make the point that children are physically incapable of consuming media older than they are. Which is bullshit. So just take your dumb shit and fuck off, because I don't even recall what point you were originally trying to make before you started arguing for age-based media metaphysics.

>>83689630
It's a comedy video made by dudes who tried to copyright the word "react".

>>83686592

is op acting like the image isn't supposed to be a joke

>>83689661
>you're trying to make the point that children are physically incapable of consuming media older than they are
and you're trying to misrepresent my argument so it's easier to combat
I'm saying it's more likely that a 9 year old hasn't seen the original ghostbusters and that enough 9 year olds haven't seen the original ghostbusters to make a reaction like the one I started this argument with

>>83689688
>supposed to
it just completely fails

>>83689210
Being critical of something unprompted is absolutely bitching

>>83689646
Yeah, Marvel single handedly turned /co/ into /co/mblr. Do you understand how goddamn stupid you sound right now.

>>83689654
You're right. And yet the OP is still bitching about it.

Further, if storytelling were really dead, he'd be able to muster an example from a book that is even being published.

>>83689688
Even if it is a joke, it's a terrible joke. For that alone it deserves to get bashed.

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>>83689730
Which it was, when it was published.

This image has been the OP for at least three threads in the last week though, despite the fact that the book isn't even being published anymore.

What's good with that shit?

>>83689727
>yet the OP is still bitching about it
Well yeah, because there's still a problem

>>83689764
>>83689700
You don't even know who or what you're trying to argue.

>>83689659
>implying I care about the hurt fee-fee's of a triggered cunt who hasn't brought a single thing to the table except ad hominems.

>But you're not talking about bad writing. You're yammering on about SJWs and how they're supposedly ruining comics.
Pic related. Go back and read my posts. You're basically just putting up a strawman, here. I haven't mentioned SJW's as "DA ENEMY" once. Not. Once.

I was pointing out shitty writing, and why that writing was shitty, and that triggered you. You're the one who's pretending he's fighting some imaginary enemy in some sort of valiant crusade for your purely objective value system.

>You're just using that topic as an excuse to bitch about Tumblr

I explained this long ago, you dumb fuck. I have used the word "tumblr" TWICE. And it was to illustrate how the same shit that you're moaning about that's happening with Red Skull, happened with other people with the polar opposite values of the people who agree with Red Skull. I actually went to Tumblr when LoK was airing, and I read the Tumblrs of the people saying this. No fucking scapegoating, or pointing to a nebulous enemy.

This is also the THIRD fucking time I'm explaining this, because your black ass can't read, apparently. You're being a fucking idiot.

>>83689764
Not even him, but holy shit you sound like a fucking moron.

>>83689705
You know, Jay Leno used to do this bit where he'd go out on the street and he'd ask people simple questions like "what's the current president's name?"

And then he'd air the ones who couldn't answer because they're stupid.

And those are the only ones he'd air, because those are the ones that're funny. Maybe he wasn't trying to deliberately create the impression that the general populace is more stupid on average than they actually are...but that's probably all someone like you would get out of it, because that's exactly what you've done by basing beliefs on something as obviously artificially engineered as the Fine Bros.

I'm sorry that you didn't know their videos were like that and you're not ready to alter your worldview. But, y'know...

People don't think it be like it is. But it do.

>>83689791
>Jay Leno
Who?

>>83689700
See? This exactly what I'm talking about. You cannot speak against this spam bullshit without being accused of being an SJW. I've never read Angela, and yet, you make the assumption that I'm a huge fan of it. That "us against them" attitude is so ingrained, that you literally cannot conceive of the concept of a middle ground, or even an entirely different "side" all together. The idea that someone is against you solely because you're an annoying bastard is utterly foreign to you. That's just sad.

>>83689814
Try Wikipedia.

>>83689776
Is there? Because I'm sitting over here with solid handful of titles to read each week. Even Marvel is publishing Vision, Karnak, and Moon Knight right now.

So where the fuck is the problem? At what point in comics history were there ever NOT cringe-inducing books?

>>83689844
Why would I look up something that I don't care about?

>>83689493
sorry you got triggered m8
go sit down in a dark room and wait for yourself to stop hyperventilating

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>>83689836

>>83689730
>>83689721

yeah but that doesn't mean we need multiple threads bitching about the mean sjws ruining comics because one c list book has bad jokes

>>83689876
To acquire the answer to your question.

>>83689841

What do you actually like.

Let's forget about Angela and talk about that.

Go on. Anything you want to talk about. /co/ is love, right here, right now. Do it.

I fucking dare you. Talk about what you like. Do it.

>>83689854
>At what point in comics history were there ever NOT cringe-inducing books
The fact that bad books exist doesn't mean that it's okay for them to exist

>>83689705
>I'm saying it's more likely that a 9 year old hasn't seen the original ghostbusters

Except that's not what you were saying. What you were saying was that literally not a single 9 year old has ever seen the original, and that anyone arguing for the opposite was functionally retarded.

And now you're backpedalling and actually putting yourself in reasonable terms. And I'm sorry, but media tends to stay relevant for a while, because TV keeps regurgitating it, and parents tend to re-watch stuff they enjoyed when they were younger. Ghostbusters itself came out years before most people in this thread were even born, yet most of us have seen it. And this is a movie that was a runaway success, which was still universally known ten years after its release, still selling toys, still having its signature song played on the radio. So yes, it's less likely, but to be as condescending about it as you have been is retarded.

>>83689350
Not that anon but the directors have a lot more control over their movies on the 70s than now. Jaws and Star Wars started the concept of blockbuster and things got way worse with reaganomics, global market and finally Hollywood moving from the movie business to the franchise business. Even indie movies are prefabricated bullshit, you can tell how the entire thing will play with watching the first minutes or even the poster.

Diversity is just one way to hide the lack of new ideas.

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Honestly, SJW liberal types were given an opportunity to use comic books and several other forms of media as a platform for their beliefs, a prime opportunity to express their thoughts and take a leadership role in some small way, and they've across the board used this opportunity to entrench themselves in bitter indignation, and have only divided communities rather than unifying them, using tactics of social exclusion and the imposition of guilt and shame upon others for increasingly petty reasons.

There isn't a single voice among them that wants to be a leader. They only want to be in opposition to an already established authority so they can feel wronged by it. They don't know what to do when they realize they have to become the authority figure themselves. They just want to make loud pleas for someone else to bring the changes they want to see.

>>83689210
>making a "WAAAAAAHHH I HATE THIS!" Thread on 4chan isn't bitching
Jesus wept

>>83686816
>implying it was Spencer being "ironic" and it being a "subtle" "metaphor"
Spencer is about as subtle as the Family Guy and Simpsons writers. He's a huge Hilary supporter and literally thinks everyone who isn't 100% Liberal loyal is a Nazi. Shit, he made Trump and Foxnews references in his ealier series.

If you think this is Spencer just having Red Skull say things to manipulate people then boy are you delusional.

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>>83689787
Forgot mah pic.

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>>83689923
>okay for them to exist
Holy shit what are you even talking about? How does this effect you in any way you fucking ur-sperg?

>>83689937
>I know what will happen in any movie by looking at the poster or the first few minutes
Holy shit man you have a high opinion of yourself

>>83689350
Look up "New Hollywood" it was the peak of director's having creative freedom however because of this meaning directors could do whatever they want it lead to disasters like Heaven's Gate and One from the Heart which meant major studios pulling the creative reigns from directors that lead inevitably to the current state of major hollywood films. It also lead to the independent film boom of the late 80s and 90s.

>>83689927
>literally
come on friend
you aren't even quoting me

>now you're backpedalling
maybe you're finally not being an idiot about arguing

>media tends to stay relevant for a while
> TV keeps regurgitating it
yeah, that's totally why they are rebooting it
Because it's still relevant and it's on TV enough to warrant a reboot

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>>83689957
Spencer is a shit writer, but how could you possibly understand that scene as anything other than Red Skull preying on the fears of a population to manipulate them?

>>83689949
This is how it went in Europe, basically. People with a political agenda gain power over media, and then they lock it down for anyone outside of their agenda. Simply tribal law, really.

>>83689866
>Why aren't you posting a thread about whatever it is you like, and then talking about that
Because if I did, you lot would show up, as you always do, and start projecting your anti-Tumblr crusade bullshit onto it.

>>83689918
In this thread? Nigga, I've been stuck in this shithole for near a decade now. You ain't slick.

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>>83689949
this is so good that when i repost it i'm going to edit the screenshot to give it the dubs it deserved

>>83690056
People understand that. What you need to understand is that they consider said fear to be legitimate.

>>83689990
>How does this effect you in any way you fucking ur-sperg
the more bad comics they make trying to capture a crowd not interested in comics, the less good comics they make
also, why is it so bad to discuss comics and the why/how behind them

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>>83690072
>anti-Tumblr crusade bullshit

The only one talking about Tumblr is YOU.

>>83689893
>because one c list book
If it were only one book, we wouldn't have threads for so many other Marvel shenanigans over the past five years.

>>83690030
>tfw the prequels were about New Hollywood
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!!

>>83689189
>The studio system was entirely different back then.

Yeah the internet and affordable high definition cameras didn't exist. It's actually easier now to become a film maker then it has been in the past.

We live in a time when Tangerine, a movie filmed on a fucking iPhone, can get massive praise at film festivals. And before you say:
>That's not being a massive success
That's how you get started.
George Lucas' first movie was a student film set in a dystopian future.
James Cameron's first movie was a 12 min film with a budget of 20k.
Spielburg started off in the 60's making micro budget films that had budgets of a couple hundred dollars
Coppola's first film was a 1 hour movie set in Las Vegas that was just a titty film.

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>

>>83690103
I'm just someone savvy enough to know that you're going to disagree with everything I say out of spite because you dislike me. Like I said, kid, you ain't slick.

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>>83690161
>Like I said, kid, you ain't slick.

Be honest, Anon. How many Sonic the Hedgehog fursona's do you have?

>>83689505
I complain about /pol/. But I'm anon, so you don't know when I complain about SJWs.

>>83690090
>the more bad comics they make trying to capture a crowd not interested in comics, the less good comics they make
Which is a stupid fucking point for two reasons
>1. This book isn't being published
>2. Good books aren't being cancelled to make room for something else, they're being cancelled because nobody fucking buys them and they aren't profitable
>also, why is it so bad to discuss comics and the why/how behind them
That's not what's happening, it's just a bunch of spergs complaining about something everybody already thinks is stupid

>>83686636
explain why he was wrong
>>83686682

>HURRDURR feminists and liberals always acting triggered
>make 406576 posts yammering about the same 5 comic panels
>what is self awareness

>>83690277
>>what is self awareness
Something /co/ doesn't have or have any use for.

>>83690227
That's it? All you got left is memes? Yeah, okay.

>>83690319
>implying I'm him

Just calling you out on your cringeworthy dialogue.

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>>83687996

>>83690161
Exactly
You're a giant pussy, so you can't post about the things you like
because you know people will disagree, and you know that's going to make you cry like a little girl

>>83687718
Patton Oswalt is legitimately funny though.

>>83690338
It ain't cringeworthy to call it like it is. You and all the ones like you act like children on a temper tantrum. You're all bitching about cooties all the damn time.

Go to bed.

>>83689289
>4chan was never good, but it was never intolerable as it is now
no

>>83690437
I've never once seen him be even remotely funny.

>>83690273
I don't know, building it up like this and then having his followers beating them damn refugees up because they were over-excited in a graphic manner, weaving it together with suicide bombers exploding in some American bases in the Middle East and/or the same terrorist tearing apart an otherwise peaceful village and/or the recruitment of a young guy who had his home blown to smithereens by drone attacks might make some people thinking that it's not all black and white.

But yeah, Red Skull.

>>83690438
Do you have anything to say about anything other than trying to tell other people to shut up

>>83689289
>4chan was never good, but it was never intolerable as it is now. It was at one point possible to talk about stuff without someone demanding you take sides in some manufactured Internet turf war that you don't fucking care about.
confirmed for being new
I even bet none of you faggots remember the time whenn 4chan was the battlefield for an internet turf war even though they started on another site

>>83690425
Dude, just stop. You're not going to bait me into getting into a fake argument about something. I couldn't care less if you disagree with me about what I like. I'd just stop talking to you because you'd have proven yourself to have shit taste. The thing is, you and I are opponents in this thread, and you would simply oppose anything I say out of spite. So there's less than no point in starting that conversation.

>>83690399
Posting image macros does not alter reality to fit your delusions.

>>83690565
>The thing is, you and I are opponents in this thread, and you would simply oppose anything I say out of spite.
So do you get a free fedora and katana when you become an atheist or do they come separate?

>>83689949
A lot of it is that they're primarily driven by resentment, so they don't want to make things people will enjoy
They want to make things people will hate, and then force people to read those things.
Lots of their frustration comes from the fact that they can't force people to read things, so the audience for what they create only ends up being made up of other bitter people who imagine the work being read and hated by their enemies

>>83686592
>How are you coping with the death of storytelling?

How the fuck do 63 people fall for bait that starts like this.

64 now, I guess.

Are we all mentally challenged?

>>83690689
No, you're just on /co/. We don't know how to take a joke, but you can be damn sure we'll take any kind of bait that gets thrown out. /co/ is well known for having absolutely no self awareness.

>>83690631
Ah, an "Ow the Edge" response. So now that your oh so clever game has been guessed, you'll respond with memes, greentexts and smug/laughing reaction images.

... Fucking hell, I've been in this pit way too long.

>>83690541
Nigga, I remember when DA ENEMY was fucking Gaia Online. Most of these damn kids, who need to get the hell off my lawn, don't even know that we're just the rejects of Something Awful.

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>>83690715
>Samefagging this obviously
>post about self awareness

>>83688989
>bawww, I'm entitled to funding from the people who only fund what they feel sure will sell
>I hate having to play by others' rules if I want them to give me their resources that they own
Get your own funding, faggot! Make your own fortune and fund wominority film until the cows come home! If you don't like whitemantopia, FUCK. OFF. OUT. OF. IT.

>>83690774
>Nigga, I remember when DA ENEMY was fucking Gaia Online. Most of these damn kids, who need to get the hell off my lawn, don't even know that we're just the rejects of Something Awful.
so you dont remember that time when a certain furry website had an internal strife and used 4chan as its battleground
and the direct result of that was 4chan hating any online group outside 4chan

>>83690645
A lot of marvels indulgence in Sjw shit is that they can only murder spider man's marriage once and what they really want is something that will puss off their readers, because they hate their readers.

>>83690565
>Dude, just stop
Stop trying to tell people to stop saying things.

>>83690848
>so you dont remember that time when a certain furry website had an internal strife and used 4chan as its battleground
No, I don't. I'm hard pressed to believe that never actually happened, because I've never been able to find any concrete evidence of it.

Although, speaking of "Get the fuck over it.". Holy shit.

>>83690927
>I've never been able to find any concrete evidence of it.
Ever seen that pic of that pink haired fat chick with the comment you dont want me to unleash my 4chan army on you? she was one of the leaders of the other side
I know its been ages but if you are really that old im sure you'd encounter it by now

>>83690075
You're doing god's work, anon.

>>83691009
>Ever seen that pic of that pink haired fat chick with the comment you dont want me to unleash my 4chan army on you?
No.

>the other side
The whole Internet is trying desperately to be a gang war, but it just ends up showing that people are fucking stupid.

>>83690926
Stop saying things.

>>83686592
>How are you coping with the death of storytelling?
Re-reading old comics, or the ones I missed. I've recently read Frank Miller's Ronin and I don't know how I could have missed that. One of my favorite books right now.
I'd look more to contemporary indie books, but it's all marred by the same twitter-webcomic style of writing and often subpar art which is no surprise as a lot of Image books is just Marvel shitters doing their vanity projects. I guess The Goddamned is pretty good, even if not really groundbreaking.

I think the saddest thing about the OP pic is that in a more appropriate comic, [UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON ISRAEL] could've been genuinely hilarious. But, just... what the fuck is it doing in Angela. C'mon.

>>83690927
>engage others in some oldfag dick measuring contest about remembering vague 4chan history
>immediately tell them to get over it when they engage in said dick measuring

For fuck's sake, mate.

>>83686636
Well he is, I mean when somebody is right they're right.

>>83686816
I would almost believe this was the case were it not for the fact that the writer is a massive liberal, and a Hillary supporter at that.

>>83687718

I'm actually going to wait for the movie to come out before I start making make any final judgement. Paul Feig has made some pretty funny movies, and almost all of them have shitty unfunny trailers.

I am disappointed that it is a reboot instead of a continuation of the series.

>>83687026
>>83687483
Why did you guys think people were talking about it so much?

>>83688989
They get lots of chances to make their own work, and then people don't like it and it doesn't sell.

>>83688965
Gee I wonder why.

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>>83689248
>American indie comics
>representative of the whole industry

>>83691513
I should also add, they don't really care whether it sells, since they're idealogues, and their goal is to push the ideology, selling only matters inasmuch as it enables them to make people read the things they want people to read

>>83689949
You know what, you're completely right when I think about it.

>>83690645
This is something that people who adhere to this kind of ideology seems to struggle with, the lack of centrality in regards to their thinking. Everything they believe is in opposition to some other established belief. When they write these stories, they aren't trying to build forms and create structures, they only want to subvert and dismantle.

I wonder if they made a comic that was straight up 90s Angela where she ran around the universe in nothing + a magic ribbon making out with lesbian angels and then killing monsters and getting splattered on their blood, 1. How it would sell and 2. How people would react to it.

>>83686592
Don't know about you, op, but I love when liberals try to push their views through comics with the subtlety of a fucking trainwreck.

>>83687374
Yeah George Zimmerman totally turned out to be sane and nonviolent

>>83691605
When they do get the chance to create "structures" it's always something barren, like Steven Universe's four masculinized lesbians taking care of a single gay boy

>>83691701
For real though, it's like they have no grasp of how to craft allegories and metaphors with these characters and stories. It's always just blunt, direct meta ironic social commentary with characters acting as blatant mouthpieces for what usually amounts to differing sides in a comment section fight. Half the time it just seems like they're trying to conflate the world of social media with the Marvel universe.

>>83686716
>You can't have compelling villains anymore, because edgelord readers will immediately side with them
Only if you're an incompetent writer.

>>83691777
>Zimmerman was a cop

>>83686592
I'm not upset, that means smaller publisher just have a better chance of getting noticed since Marvel and DC are upper shit, mostly Marvel and the constant bowing to "Muh Causes".

It's just so hilarious to think that these shit hacks are getting paid to "write". There has been a serous lack of storytelling in the last 10years from Marvel. It's time to go back the the compressed form of storytelling. Keep the story contained in one or two books, not drag the piss out of it with a resulting let down conclusion. The more story you put in a single issue the more depth you give the book and its characters. Also, it time to stop making every book the soapbox to air out personal/ethnic/racial/political/etc. issues. We get it there needs to be a message, but at the expense of storytelling is just bad form. Every editor at Marvel needs to be sacked and replaced with people who want to make storytelling the main focus of their fiefdoms, the EiC has a responsibility to the brand not to the latest liberal cause. The overwhelming saturation of "snowflake" issues is off putting and boring.

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>>83689505
So they've still got more than you, then?

>>83691848
he thought he was a cop

>>83691934
Imagine being so bitter about this image >>83689505 that someone made the one you posted.

>>83690437
He is as funny as his dead wife

>>83691969
And Traytray thought he was Spiderman.

>>83691934
Hahaha good one!
What is your tumblr so I can reblog you?

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>>83691813
It's so they can virtue-signal to all the other liberals and brag about how progressive they are. Like religious folk that pray publicly so everybody else know just how much God means to them.

>>83691934
We need to go deeper.

>>83691813

and /co/ still misreads and can't understand the books

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>>83691924
I honestly don't understand how these people who have gotten these writing jobs at Marvel and DC aren't frothing at the mouth to engage in genuine story telling. Why would you even want to write the paper thin blog post tier opinion pieces that so many comics have turned into rather than actually writing fantastical stories about superheroics?

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>>83692183
I know, right?

>>83692215
They're writing for comic book sites and their twitter buddies, so they are not really interested in genuine storytelling. It's more about nice panels with some TAKE THAT HATURZ message to circlejerk over on social media for instant gratification.

>>83692324
>circlejerk over on social media for instant gratification.
Oh, irony.

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>>83692201
>>83692214
The big irony is that women prefer to consume problematic media rather than progressive Marvel comics

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>>83692005
I did. This is the end result.

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>>83692187
>>83692201
>>83692214
This all just has an undercurrent of defeatism and helplessness. I swear, these people are still stuck on the starting line, still trying to play this "see, girls can do stuff too!" game that I feel we've passed and lapped about a dozen times by now. It's like they don't know how to create archetypal female heroes without beginning from a stance of oppression, and not even genuine oppression, it's always rooted in mundane "ordinary life" experiences.

We've literally always had stories that were centered around great women, individual women who rose above the popular culture of their times and made themselves distinct even against all other women, and all I see here is people complaining that they weren't handheld and guided to these characters. If you don't like what popular culture is providing you, it's up to you to figure out how to get what you want on your own.

I've admired great women as heroic figures, many of which are still pillars of my creative imagination, I even have always enjoyed stories of female empowerment, but the stories I enjoyed were never petty like this, and never at the expense of putting men down to uplift women.

Acting like we've been deprived of women heroes in story telling is just disingenuous.

>>83692344
>receives instant criticism
>somehow he is circlejerking

Oh, irony.

>>83690139
>no response
Looks like you won

>>83691934
What makes you think the person who posted that is pretending not to be a Nazi?

>>83692464
Ugh... you do know this is a safe for work board right?

>>83692524
>Puts out his shirts
>they get pressed
Oh, ironing.

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>>83692168
>it was shitposters all along

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>>83692482
I agree with this.

A lot of these comics are foregoing telling an actual empowering story in order to put the mundane opinions and experiences of the author front and centre. I automatically feel insulted as a read. Because the suggestion that namedropping the word "tampon" is somehow a blow against the patriarchy, and the implication that I needed to read it in order to become a better person, is laughable. She could show the heroine pull it out in a full frontal shot and I wouldn't care. This generation is over tampons, OK? That's your dad's hangup.

It's like you say. Petty. It's very typical of this zero sum, First World problem slacktivism. It's preachy, and out of place. It's the author shutting the book, turning to you, and taking a time out in order to tell you about their personal beliefs. If these were Christian comics, these same people would be laughing at them.

Pic sort of related. Still have to see a decent comic about this woman. I don't think there's a single depiction of her where she isn't armed to the teeth. But hey, she's actually a real life person, and not a superhero, so I can't expect "feminists" to give two shits about her.

>>83692689
>prospects for gold
>finds base metals instead

Oh, the iron.

>>83692627
But it a clothed dick. Trust me I recognize that penis.

I still can't figure it out, is this supposed to be implying that the mouthbreathers on /pol/ are pro or anti Israel?

>>83686592
what are they going to do, post actual MRA filth like "the male suicide rate is four times higher than the female rate"?

>>83686592
To be fair, she lost her book and also had wonder woman taken away.

>>83692881

What's she still writing?

>>83692852
That's the funniest part. The left is so rabidly anti-semitic these days that this signalling just isn't enough to figure out if it's supposed to imply that the character is for or against Israel.

>>83692324
Pretty much this.
I would rather have the websites/blogs/twitter hate me for writing a story that doesn't have blatant winks and nods to "Muh Cause" than to praise the story for being progressive.

>>83686592

Did anyone ever try editing in bors actual dialogue?

>men kill ourselves an awful lot these days
>women are often selfish and lie to you
>it seems like a lot of guys get fucked over in their marriages/divorces

That's what's too hot for comics?

>>83686592
Is this unedited? I always thought it was some edit that /co/ made

either way, serves you fucks right for reading Bennett, how have you not learned yet?

>>83692482
Right. They chant "see, girls can do stuff too!" we just need to chant back ok so write a fucking story without obvious angling towards your xyz cause.

>>83692922
Why is that anyway? To appeal to muslims, or is it because some number of jews are considered white?

>>83692922
I think the anti Israel signalling is one of those things were supposed to understand will never actually happen, unless Israel actually has a real chance of bringing in some huge number of refugees

It's not really valid to expect people to get over media not being to their liking when you can't get over discussions not being to your liking.

>>83692999
Would be pretty funny seeing someone's take on what the fuck was letf out.

>>83693025
There has been an effort to portray Islam and the nations of the Middle East as the economically disenfranchised victims of Western capitalism, which is embodied by Israel and it's alliance with America.

>>83686592
>How are you coping with the death of storytelling? Where people literally can't handle writing dialogue for a villain you're supposed to hate and have to insert immersion shattering 4th wall breaking "jokes"
By watching and reading old stuff.

>>83693154
This. I have to admit, I'm fairly new to DC and I mostly read pre new 52 stuff.

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>>83692786
Even Robert E Howard, who is always held up as some kind of misogynist had a passionate admiration of great women throughout history. He doubtlessly knows more about the great women of humanities history than these people who feel deprived of the presence of these women in their lives.

>You’re right; women are great actors. But I can’t agree with you in your statement that the great women can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Men have sat at the feet of women down the ages and our civilization, bad or good, we owe to the influence of women.

>Let us look at the records of the great women.

>Sappho: doubtless the greatest woman poet who ever lived; certainly one of the greatest of all time. The direct incentive of the lyric age of Greece, the age that for pure beauty, surpasses all others. How shall a pen like mine sing of the beauties of Sappho, of the golden streams which flowed from her pen, of her voice which was fairer than the song of a dark star, of the fragrance of her hair and shimmering loveliness of her body? Has it been proved that she was a Lesbian in the generally accepted sense of the word? Who ever accused her but the early Christians– ignorant monks and monastery swine who were set on breaking all the old golden idols; and Daudet, a libertine, a grovelling ape who could see no good in anything; Mure, a drunkard and a blatant braggart, whose word I hold of less weight than a feather drifting before a south wind. May the saints preserve Comparetti, who was man enough to uphold pure womanhood, and scholar enough to prove what he said. No prude was Sappho, but a full-blooded woman, passionate and open-hearted, with a golden song and a soul large enough to enfold the whole world.

>>83686709
So no one can make fun of the 9/11 issues from Marvel now?

>>83693197
>And what of Elpinice, who antedated woman suffrage by two thousand years and who plead so strongly for her brother Cimon that Pericles spared his life and later recalled him from exile? Polynnotus immortalized her for the ages in the fresco of the Stoa Poikile.

>No philosopher among women? You forget the greatest philosopher of all times: Aspasia of Athens, a pupil of Thargelia of Miletus, who was the mainstay of the Great King of Persia, and who married a king of Thessaly, Aspasia came to Athens in her early girlhood, and being debarred from Athenian citizenship because of the abominable custom which relegated wives to the position of slaves, and cultured women to the status of harlots, Aspasia gathered about herself a group which for pure culture and artistic ability, has never been equalled in the history of the world. She was the true inspiration from the famed Golden Age. Pericles left his wife and took Aspasia into his home. As she was not an Athenian he was unable to legally marry her, but she was his wife in all but the name and they were true to each other. She was the torch that lit the Periclean fire which flings its pure and vibrant shadow down to the ages to light the drabness of the present day. She was Pericles’ teacher in rhetoric, it is said, and even wrote many of the speeches for which he is famed. Plato was proud to sit at her feet. To her for advice and counsel came Xenophon, Phidias, Herodotus, Anaxagoras, Sophocles, Euripides, Thucydides, Alcibiades, Aristophanes, and all the other geniuses who made up Athens’ gold galaxy. A hetaera– aye, but only because of the man-made customs of the day. And men forget– when the leaders of freedom are mentioned, who speaks Aspasia’s name? Yet more than all the radicals of her day, she stood for freedom of action and thought.

>>83692744
Thanks, anon.

>>83693025
Well, I used to hang with a hardliner socialist (he ran the chapter of the International Socialists in this city), and I asked him. But I only got a mealymouthed answer about how muslims are "the fellow oppressed", and how they aren't against Jews, but against Zionism.

But that's just paying lip service to their supposed idealism. Because despite the claims of being against Zionism, these dudes could say some massively anti-semitic shit. And while they held to the "birthright" approach when it came to Palestine, in the West all immigrants were automatically considered good and should have all their demands fulfilled, because we need to be international, don't you know?

I do think it comes down to Islam, really. I was watching Religolous with one of these guys, and he's a ranter. So he'd blow up at the Catholics and the Jews, but at some point Bill Maher talks about Muslims, and interviews a Muslim politician at the site where Theo van Gogh was killed, and this guy does a complete 180 and starts going on about how the "far right" is responsible for both the hate against Muslims, and the fact that Muslims are known to occasionally commit acts of terrorism. And I do mean he literally said "this is all the far right's fault".

Same guy once dropped "when you really get down to it, white people are at fault for all the evil in the world" out of the blue.

Maybe this is why I get a little triggered when chantards suggest that this shit is all harmless, and we shouldn't worry about it. These people are real. It's not just an internet thing. One of these guys threw a shoe at an Israeli ambassador, and got away scott free. Yeah, let me just try that with literally anyone under a right wing motive...

>>83693224
>And returning to poets among women: Sappho, first of the Terrestial Nine muses, as they were called: Erinna of Telos, Myrtis of Thebes, instructor of Pindar of Thebes, and Corinna, who defeated Pindar five times in contests, and who instructed him in regard to the soul of his work which he was prone to neglect in favor of the the style; Telesilla of Argos who was a poet like the rest and also led her tribeswomen to victory over the whole Spartan army; Praxilla of Sicyon who is given a place beside Anacreon; Nocsis of Locris, Italy; Anyte of Tegea and Moero of Byzantium.

>And there were the Pythagorean Women, philosophers and poets, fifteen in number all of whom equalled any male philosopher of the time. And those of the Grecian Academy– some hundreds. And the Cynics and Epicureans– but the list is endless. I could name all day, those women I deem great in Greece alone and the records would scarcely be complete.

>>83693244
>And what of Joan of Arc and Emma Goldman? Kate Richards O’Hare and Sarah Bernhardt? Katherine the Great and Elizabeth Barrett Browning? H.D. and Sara Teasdale? Isabella of Spain who paned her gems that Columbus might sail, and Edna St. Vincent Millay? And that queen, Marie, I think her name was, of some small province– Hungary I believe– who fought Prussia and Russia so long and bitterly. And Rome– oh, the list is endless there, also– most of them were glorified harlots, but better be a glorified harlot than a drab and moral drone, such as the textbooks teach us women should be.

>Women have always been the inspiration for men, and just as there are thousands of unknown great ones among men, there have been countless women whose names have never been blazoned across the stars, but who have inspired men on to glory. And as for their fickleness– as long as men write the literature of the world, they will rant about the unfaithfulness of the fair sex, forgetting their own infidelities. Men are as fickle as women. Women have been kept in servitude so long that if they lack in discernment and intellect it is scarcely their fault.

>>83693233
Yes, there has been an active propaganda effort on the geopolitical stage to portray Islam as the champion of Leftist anti capitalism idealism, leading the fight for the poor against the rich Western oppressors.

>>83693233
Oh so in essence they apply the +power dynamic and since muslims aren't in power, in the west at least, that means they're oppressed and therefore can be the oppressor.

Honestly these collectivist retards need to go.

>>83693197
>Robert E Howard, who is always held up as some kind of misogynist

Christ, really? I didn't read all Conan stories, but I saw zero misogyny in the ones I did read. And quite a few female characters of varying degrees of empowerment, including two women warriors. This in the 19-fucking-30's. I mean, really, the guy who committed suicide after his mother died, a misogynist...

This sort of thing pisses me off, it really does. At least when they say Lovecraft was a racist, they're not lying their asses off. He was. I don't give a fuck, but he was. There's some racism in Howard's stuff too, if you look for it. But misogyny? The man wrote tons of strong, female characters, with different personalities and competencies, from warriors, to rules, to thieves. And, again, in a day and age where this was considered unusual, to say the least. It wouldn't surprise me if the Christians of his time considered it highly inappropriate.

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>>83686592
I can't believe they would be so hacky as to copy dialogue from such an emotionally powerful moment.

While we're on the topic of powerful women, can I voice a grievance of mine?


There's a trope I absolutely loathe.

Superheroine is introduced by manhandling a guy who mocked her/didn't take her seriously because she's a woman.

Bonus points of disgust if it's a creepy guy groping her in a bar.


For crying out loud. I'm supposed to be impressed and root for a superpowered woman because she's manhandling a normal-human-guy who felt her up? For fuck's sake. We see male heroes introduced by taking on supervillains, saving people from collapsing buildings, but a woman? No, it's going to be
>oh, you thought I was a little girl
>turns out I have superpowers, ha!
>not to beat you up
ew, just ew. Have a bit more respect for your heroines, won't ya?

If she's supposed to be a pwerful person, above average humans, have her accomplish a similar feat of strength. Beating up a random guy who didn't take her seriously because she's woman isn't that.


Extra bonus points if it's not her introduction, but it's someone ridiculously famous like Wondy and the guy just doesn't notice her. Even though she's famous as fuck in universe.

Ridiculous, beyond ridiculous.

>>83693404
The whole point of reading Lovecraft is to get inside the mind of an insane paranoid recluse who lived in a deep seated existential fear of the outside world. People shouldn't only be allowed to write if they're a good person. Writings honestly have more value if the author is a despicable person in some way.

> this thread again

>>83688497
>Drumpfers
Oh wow, you called my personal choice for a candidate by an outdated pronunciation of his name, better change all of my political views. You sure convinced me with those hot opinions.

>>83693342
While that is maybe a little conspirational, these guys did believe that sort of stuff. Part of it is a lot of projecting. These are people who are disenfranchised with modern society. That's why they're extremists. And they seem to project their desires for what's missing on the Islamic world. They just consider muslims to be more honorable, more friendly and personable, all of that shit. Pretty much the same shit you see with people who claim junge tribes live calm, peaceful lives.

Which they don't. At all. Tribes have lots of shitty, little rules, draconian punishment, and are constantly at war with each other.

>>83693395
Yeah, pretty much. The entire theory of "punching up" is heavily present in these guys. Who are white men, of course. With these radicals, there's also very much the fantasy that they're helping the world out. It's very "us vs. them". They genuinely believe a lot of us are just being bamboozled into following ideals that are bad for us. They're also heavily invested in the underdog meme, if you will. One of them would say it fucking constantly. Always. "I always side with the underdog" as he explains why he backs Syria, Egypt, etc. etc. over the tiny country with 7 million Jews.

The left wing people in this country are also very fond of saying that "there has never been a left wing government" which is, of course, total bullshit. At best it's technically true, but it certainly doesn't explain why our national policy has been overwhelmingly left wing over the last few decades. But it flows from the underdog meme.

Guys, guys...

I don't mean to sound like a complete and utter nutter, but have any of you read about the Unabomber's view on leftism?

Honestly i scares me how dead on it was, perhaps it was because he had to deal with them in the 60s like we do now, but it reads almost prophetic.

http://genius.com/Unabomber-the-psychology-of-modern-leftism-annotated

http://genius.com/Unabomber-feelings-of-inferiority-annotated

http://genius.com/Unabomber-oversocialization-annotated

http://genius.com/Unabomber-the-danger-of-leftism-annotated

What do you think?

>>83693698
I refuse to associate leftism with sjw-cultural-progressiveness.

As an actual left-leaning person, I'm really pissed off by how bad a name these morons are giving us.

>>83693494
I agree completely. Mera in the New 52 Aquaman series comes to mind, where we have the Witch Queen of Atlantis who commands mastery over the oceans beating up a sexually aggressive grocery store manager.

My big thing when it comes to the portrayal of heroines in these stories is that they almost always like the isolation that is exhibited by other heroes, the existential contemplations of their identities and the ideals of morality and justice they carry on their shoulders.

Heroines almost never have the expressive extremes in their dual identities as their natural self and then as their alter ego. There is a clear dichotomy between Bruce Wayne and Batman, and through that we've seen his psyche become increasingly complex in it's development. It's where the depth of these characters come from, expressing something they keep beneath the surface of their outward personality with their alter ego. I've never understood why this is the case.

>>83693508
Yeah, it's all just more offense-hunting. If you don't want to read him, don't read him. Simple, right?

But the real butthurt came over the Lovecraft Award. Nigger authors didn't want a bust of a racist writers, which is a point I can understand. I wouldn't want to have the ugly mug of some anti-white nignog sitting on my shelf, either.

But here's the crux: I wouldn't accept the award. As another writer did with the Lovecraft Award, because he thought the bust did a disservice to the man. A purely easthetical point. But these people want to take the award, and then dictate what it should look like. Wanting to have their cake and eat it, too. That really bites my ass.

>>83693494
That trope is not for you anon, it's a female fantasy to turn the table on creeps.

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>>83693765
almost always *lack, I meant to say.

>>83693698
Who gives a shit? He was a filthy terrorist.

>>83693749
These guys are what neo-nazies is to the right, but on the left instead. He even mentions this in the first link:

>But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing leftism is not so much movement or an ideology as a psychological type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by “leftism” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology.

>>83693805
It's a ridiculous idea that demeans both real life women (by showing them in unrealistically constant danger of being raped/creeped_on/ignored) and fictional superpowered ones (by having them a)face foes that aren't really powerful enough for their fighting them to count as heroic and b)having them brutalise nobodies for ridiculously small offenses).

It needs to be weeded out.

>>83693891
Of course, and I'm not saying he was in the right. All I'm saying is that what he wrote on this specific subject hits the nail on the head. Try reading some of it and tell me it isn't a mirror of what's is manifested in today's left.

>>83693942
The sad thing is that with them "leftism" moves away from the actual issue it's supposed to tackle -class and financial disparity- as it's run by spoiled white rich girls who need to fight windmills to fill important and righteous in their cozy-daddy-paid-lives.

>>83693891
We've all felt that urge to lash out at society anon. Ted at least was able to articulate why he did.

>>83693998
*feel

>>83693548
That quite the knee-jerk reaction you got there, buddy.

>>83694003
Ted was a cunt. Fucking ISIS can articulate their reasons better.

>>83688831
>twitter is representative of these groups
Nice meme
I bet you think black people cared about #oscarsowhite

>>83686592
>How are you coping with the death of storytelling?

The funny-papers will never be big enough to kill storytelling.

>>83694115
It's important to understand why people come to such actions regardless of if you liked them personally or not

>>83690438
>ain't
Out of curiosity, why are you typing out an abbreviation that doesn't save you any letters?