Was he a good Batman?

>>83686400
he was daddy af tbqh

>>83686400
Aside from branding and shooting people he was kind of great.

>>83686400
He did the best he could with the script he had. He could be a great Batman in a less confused movie.

>>83686400

Don't know. Didn't see BvsS. Still a shit costume though.

>>83686400
loved him and loved bvs

>>83686400
He killed people, so no.

>>83686400
Oh yeah. 100%, it showed how important Superman's friendship
Is to Batman by giving us a Batman who did all that stuff without that friendship.

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>>83686400
Costume,
Good Fighting,
Photogenic and well played Bruce,
No Throat Cancer voice,

Aside from bad script making him edgy shit Batman he delivers an esthetic portrait of Batman.

Needs a better suit that doesn't make him look like he's trying to impress Bane

>>83686670
This sums it up well. Affleck and the aesthetics were great, but Batman himself was a sadistic thug, even more-so than usual.

>>83686578
>Shit costume

lol wat?

Yes, alcoholic disillusioned Batman is really interesting since he's such a fucking Templar most of the time. But the movie was still shit.

I didn't like him personally, but I won't say it wasn't a valid take on the character.

>>83686400
Not yet.
The script mandated he not be a smart detective, so all we got was the scary brawler. That's only a half-Batman.

Aesthetically he's a good representation of TDKR Batman but then that Batman is an acquired taste

>>83686400
No, Bale was better

Affleck did well, but Batman casually killing thugs with car-mounted guns went way too far.

>>83687043
lol

I like that his costume looked like something a person with an average job could afford to make. Looked very DIY.

Much more believable that his identity would be a mystery if he looked like that rather than dressed in high tech military gear and driving around in a military vehicle that the government most assuredly has on record, all things that would easily point to Bruce.

>>83687078
He really was in all honesty

>>83686902
>lol wat?

It's a terrible costume. The texture is just ugly as sin, it's fucking spandex with no body armor to protect him and it combines aesthetics from Miller's TDKR and the N52 designs, which are, respectively, fucking eyesores.

It is by far the worst batman costume to date.

>>83687031
Not being omniscient isn't the same as being a bad detective. He did plenty of detective work in the movie.

>>83687102
Bale the actor fits my impression of Bruce Wayne more.
Bale's Batman, voice aside and focusing on just writing, is the most pathetic, egoist, whiny Batman of all time. He was the worst.

>>83687155
I disagree, as a character he by far embodied the authoritarian strongman of Gotham aspect of Batman in a way better than any other version. Batman was created to be a pillar of the institutions of law and order in Gotham, and his is often a part of the character that is overlooked

>>83687102
>>83687155
The issue I had most was with the fact that he has a "no kill code" but still killed people. That's worse than not having one at all. Not only that but he was ridiculously weak, barely did any detective work, and had only a few gadgets.

The Bruce Wayne portrayal didn't seem like much to me, either. All he did was sleep and act like a jerk. Why didn't he act charitable? In BvS his employees loved him. What would make someone proud to work for Bruce Wayne in Nolan's trilogy?

>>83687250
He literally built an orphanage, dude.

>>83687250
Nolan Batman actually had a wide array of gadgets, like a great deal of them. Batman being pushed past his limitations, especially his killing rule has always been a major theme in his stories. We also see him hosting a charity fundraiser at his penthouse in Gotham.

>>83687229
Gordon made him that. Batman himself was a child in a playing suit, crying out for Mommy and Daddy.
Other, better Batmen start there and become something more. Batfleck, interestingly, became something less.
>>83687250
BatBale was a complete tool.

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>>83686400
Did you rape the joker, Batman?

>>83687133
>fucking spandex with no body armor

I remember when /co/ was all up in arms against tacticool body armor and wanted a Batman in a skintight suit.

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>>83687378
All three of'em.

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>>83687453

I wasn't one of them. In fact, I don't think I was on /co/ when TDK came out. I was still on /m/ then. But yeah, I never had a problem with that. As much as batnipples was stupid, even that could be passed off as body armor. It was even implied as such in the 89 Batman flick. And it's why the Arkham Origins suit is the best one in the game's franchise.

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>>83687365
I'd say this Batman was just as much defined as an authoritarian idealist as he was by his inner despair in regards to his parents.

>>83687597
Sure, if you like your Dredds incompetent, mopey, and prone to eight year vacations.

>>83686400
>>83687560

How did Batman go all these years without running the Joker's DNA

>>83687570
Shit taste. If you want armor, then at least go slick Arkham Knight sci-fi. Otherwise, kevlar weave it is.

>>83687710
I'd say he was very competent, as Batman working with the police managed to drive out the entire structure of entrenched mobsters in Gotham within a little over two years of working together. I don't ever want to see a Batman that isn't mopey and brooding to be honest. That's a definitive aspect of his character.

I agree that his transition into an 8 year break after the Dark Knight fucked up the flow of the story though. The ending of the Dark Knight implied that the status quo of Gotham and Batman had only just begun.

>>83687850
Well, I'll give you that. It's not like Begins or TDK are the ones that shat the bed.

>>83687850
>I don't ever want to see a Batman that isn't mopey and brooding to be honest. That's a definitive aspect of his character.

Ugh. Another guy who hates Silver Age Batman.

>>83687133
>>83687570
Also, in BvS Lex's goons repeatedly shoot Batman even in his fucking head and he's fine. So "no body armor" is bullshit.

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>>83687903
Mopey, brooding Batman within a whimsical Silver Age landscape is the ideal to strive for.

>>83687984
We will join him in the sun.

>>83687713
Johns's Batman

>>83686559
this. if he goes through with the stand alone i'll have a solid opinion then

>>83686400
No, Affleck was a good Batman.

That toy is fucking shit.

>>83687743
>If you want armor, then at least go slick Arkham Knight sci-fi

I consider that one 2nd best. Though there's something about it that just doesn't sit well with me. Could be the sleekness.

>>83687969
>So "no body armor" is bullshit.

It doesn't look like there's body armor. But I guess that could be the point. Making your opponent think you're more vulnerable than you are. Still, it's a shit looking outfit.

>>83688278
>It doesn't look like there's body armor. But I guess that could be the point.
Uhm, no Batman suit in the comics actually looks like there's body armor underneath. Are they all shit?

It would appear that /co/ really doesn't read comics.

>>83688572
>It would appear that /co/ really doesn't read comics.

Well obviously. How else would you explain why so many people here didn't like Batman v. Superman?

>>83688997
You mean why so many people liked BvS

>>83688997
>>83689177
This is where the argument turns from "reads comics vs doesn't read comics" to "casuals vs vetted fans".

Vetted comic fans just hate everyone, end of story.

>>83686400
Yes, one the better ones.

>>83687133
His suit is probably just body armor under the fabric bits.

>>83687150
The central conflict and its resolution hinge on him not figuring out Superman's secret identity and familial relations Which means he's less of a detective than Lois and Lex.

Yes, he was blinded by fear and paranoia and wasn't looking. And that's fine for what it is, but it's counter to the detective aspect of the character and not the same as omniscience.

>>83687102
Definitely the best Bruce tho. I would say Clooney and even Adam West are up there too.

>>83688997
>>83689177
Like fucking clockwork.

>>83686670
Yeah

>>83686529
I don't really see the problem with the branding part desu senpai

>>83689614
Lois had ridiculous advantages over Batman and Lex has cameras everywhere. It's not even comparable. Not to mention the fact that Batman had no reason to believe that Superman had a secret identity.

>>83690252
Seems unnecessary if he's willing to kill.

>>83690315
Tell that to the Spider. Snyder should have made a Spider movie instead working on BVS. The pulps suit his attitude and style, even the religious symbolism.

>>83690315
The thing is, Batman doesn't kill directly. It's an homage to the previous movie Batman's who killed indirectly. That's why the interviewer suggested calling it "manslaughter." It's more of a "you shouldn't have been in the way of the car :^)" thing.

>>83686879
I wonder whose behind this post

>>83690421
Probably a sex trafficker. The real reason it was given bad reviews is that the Jews in Hollywood are scared that people will get inspired to become heroes and take them down.

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>>83687062
>implying we've gone far enough

>>83690569
"I've got it! When Superman comes back, he RAPES Darkseid to defeat him!"

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>>83687133
>it combines aesthetics from Miller's TDKR and the N52 designs, which are, respectively, fucking eyesores

IMO it looks more like Miller's and Bruce Timm designs combined.
Basically pic related without the trunks and shorter ears.

>>83690630
Snyder hates superman, guy. If anything, he'd have darkseid raping superman in the afterlife or whatever the fuck to brainwash him before supes comes back in time for the ending of justice league 2.

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>>83690675

I liked the part where Batman was wall crawling like spider-man tbqh f-am

>>83690814
Straight outta The Exorcist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1GSnipRR3U

I still can't understand how the fuck he was wall crawling

>>83686400
The Best in my opinion. It's just he wasn't in a great movie. I think when the solo movie comes out he'll be even better. Not to mention he has the GOAT live action Alfred and there is a chance of the Batfamily making appearances

>>83687133
>It is by far the worst batman costume to date.
Only if by worst you mean best. I know people love tacticool bullshit that he wore in Nolan's film but that ain't Batman. Batfleck looks like he stepped of the pages of a comic book. Also those saying it's the worst Batsuit should take a look at DTKR Batsuit and even better the shit he wore in Batman and Robin. Worst suit my ass.

>>83690676
>The rape the Joker meme was started by Snyder to prepare audience for the plot of his next movie

>>83690918
The most Batman scene that ever Batman'd. Seriously the things this movie got wrong it really fucked up and the things it got right it knocked out of the fucking park.

As a Batfag this was the kind of shit i wanted in a Batman movie forever. If you're a criminal the Batman should be fucking terrifying.

>>83687570
Arkham Knight's starting costume was better in every conceivable way. Heavily armored bats is stupid, even as a rookie.

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>>83687743
>someone actually likes Knight's tacticool disaster over Origin's huge padding

>>83690814
>>83690918
Yeah it was great. It might be too late now, but I had the idea of Slipknot using his ropes like Spiderman uses his webs. Maybe next time.

>>83686400
Well, he was the only good part of the movie he was in. That has to count for something.

>>83691065
>Batfleck looks like he stepped of the pages of a comic book

That's the problem. It looks silly in real life.

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>>83687570
>mfw Sonic voices Batman in Origins

>>83687133
kill yourself you edgefest tacticool armor faggot I would not hesitate to rob and shoot you if we ever met in a dark alley outside a movie theatre.

>>83694528
Chill out, Joe, it's just an opinion. No need to go Zorro on that guy.

>>83687133
>it's fucking spandex with no body armor
The whole suit is made of Kevlar, imbecile.

>>83686400
Murder aside, yeah. I wish his Batcave had more personality to it though.

>>83690315
Seems fitting for a guy who's essentially Zorro in Detroit. Carving a Bat-symbol in with an epee might take too long.

>>83693987
Looked just fine in the movie, way better than this shit
>>83687597

Don't know about you, but i like it when Batman fucking looks like Batman

>>83686400
Yes, he was both a great Batman and a fantastic Bruce Wayne.

>>83690390
Every single time he kills someone it's 1st degree murder.

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Most aesthetic comic-accurate Batman ever

>>83697319
That's fine. Just stop acting like that shit never happened in the Tim Burton movies.

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>>83686578

I would fight you IRL. I love that costume, is my favorite Arkham Knight skin.

>>83686529
Who did he shoot? Oh right, no one.

>>83697933
The firefight right before he saves Martha

There are some dudes in a turret mounted truck shooting at the Batwing and Batman straight up shoots a path of bullets right ino the truck

>>83690252
Well. he must be aware that the branded guys get offed in jail.

>>83697933
>>83698187
Also flamethrower guy

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>>83686400
>actual peak human with martial arts/ninja skills
>a variation of gadgets
>best batman movie custome
>non cringey, threatening voice
>Ben great as batman and Bruce Wayne

how long have I waited for this and now DC finally delivers.

>>83687062
>Affleck did well, but Batman casually killing thugs with car-mounted guns went way too far.

Wait, you mean Batman casually blowing up an entire chemical factory full of thugs wasn't going too far?

>>83698272
Thinking about it more it's all pretty strange. The prisoners have to have become aware at a point that Batman was branding them hoping that they'd be killed. So why keep doing it for him?

>>83686670
Do you not understand that this was supposed to be a tainted version of the character

I think he's the first actor to ever get Batman right. His Bruce is different from Batman without being a smarmy asshole. He has that tired, suspicious look in his eyes.

>>83697933
Oh, that's right, he just held another guy's arm and made him shoot people.

>>83698517
One of the stupidest parts.
>wait, I can't shoot this guy, that'll make me just like him
>I'll shoot his gas tank and make him burn to death horribly, that's totally within my moral code

I really think the only explanation for this is that Snyder is a moron who thinks that if he doesn't literally kill them directly, then it somehow doesn't count as killing. Blowing up things next to them, positioning them to get killed by crossfire, making them die by any means other than shooting their body with a gun in his hand is totally fine.

And I doubt any of those things were actually in the script.

>>83698932
I admit to never having watched the movie but did Batfleck really say he doesn't kill anyone? I mean, outside of BvS the only cinematic Batman that ever brings up the no killing thing has been Throatcancerman.

>>83698732

yeah, people keep saying BvS failed at being a conflict between ideologies but this movie was not about superman vs batman at their best but at their worst, with batman becoming merciless after 20 years fighting crime in gotham and superman losing hope that he has a place in this world. At the end superman saves the world and Batman stops branding people starting with someone who would've really deserved it.

It was like, they need each other, for batman to not lose hope and superman to not be alone.

>>83699007
He didn't, at least I don't think, but that's a key part of Batman and pretty contrary to the things Snyder was saying about "fans" that don't actually understand Superman being mad about MoS (which rings true), making him look like a huge hypocrite.

You'd think with how much he talked about killing Zod was supposed to lead to Superman forming the no-killing rule, he'd get that Batman doesn't kill, ever.

>>83698732
Explain.

>>83699198
I get what you mean with him becoming excessively brutal but I think they went too far with it.

>>83699007
>I admit to never having watched the movie but did Batfleck really say he doesn't kill anyone?

no he didn't and its mentioned several times by different characters in the movie that he is going too far.

>>83699242
>but that's a key part of Batman

While a very defining trait to Batman, it's never really been a key aspect of cinematic Batmen, ever. I get the criticism though, a Batman that would give their all to prevent a loss of life would be something new to the silver screen, considering that even Nolan Bats was willing to compromise with the whole "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you".

>>83699345
But Nolan realized the "don't have to save you" thing is retarded and did away with it from there on out, as shown with refusing to kill Joker.

>>83699420
While at the same time throwing Harvey off a ledge.

>>83698932
>And I doubt any of those things were actually in the script.
Yeah, Batman being a killer was completely due to Snyder's direction. The story makes a big deal out of Batman branding people who later get killed in prison, which doesn't make sense at all if he'd already been going around turning people into paste. So Goyer and Terrio at least kinda tried to do a story where Batman indirectly kills people, and then Snyder went "Fuck that, imma have him DIRECTLY kill people."

>>83699242
>I think they went too far with it.

I don't know, I think Batmans life without friends like Barry or Clark would be very bleak and hopeless, specially when he is only in gotham, dealing with the worst lunatics in a daily basis for 20 years.

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So many replies and no mention of the only Batman that actually got shit done

>>83686400
I liked his performance but I didn't like Batmurderer

>>83698732
I got it but i didn't like it

What made Batman different to many heroes was his oath, his promise about never use guns neither becoming a murderer as the one who killed his parents. But instead of that Snyder went full edgy because ' i like realistic dark things and rape'.

BEST movie Bats and I can't wait for that solo movie. Batman v. Superman is probably my second favorite superhero movie.

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>>83686400

Ben Batman is Best Batman.

>>83686578

Shut your filthy whore mouth.

>>83698639
Eh, it's pretty much just another Snyder thing, something that seemed cool on paper and at first glance, but becomes more bizarre in terms of implications the longer you think about it.

>>83698632
Or smiling before kicking a guy strapped with grenades down a sewer hole and walking away giving no fucks as he explodes

I don't get why the police was scared if they clearly had even a bat signal meaning they worked with him in the past

>>83698272
why did a batman brand mean death in jail again?

>>83705248
it didn't , it's just morons pulling theorys out of their asses

>>83701280
Dare I ask what's your first?

>>83700462
But everyone's already seen that. This wasn't a failure to adapt the character it was a version of him that fell from grace and lost everything he believed in and stood up for. That's why his arc is meaningful.

>>83699198
Are you my brother?

He made me realize that I in fact do have a daddy fetish and would gladly wear scaly green underwear if he told me too.

>>83686400
I'll reserve my final judgement until I see what he's like in a solo setting without Hack at the helm. I wasn't crazy about the script for BvS or his outfit but at least he didn't have the dorky gargled with broken glass voice.

>>83698517
That was KG Beast

>>83708447
Spider-Man 2

>>83705248
>>83706611
He branded serious criminals like child molesters, who are known to get killed by inmates in real life

>>83690295
>Lois had ridiculous advantages over Batman
Such as? What were her advantages in Ma nof Steel?
>and Lex has cameras everywhere.
And Wayne has satellites. Surely they're good for something other than to beat Zod over the head with.
> It's not even comparable
Damn right it isn't. Lex isnt the World's Greatest Detective. Lois isn't the character that puts the "Detective" in Detective Comics.
>Not to mention the fact that Batman had no reason to believe that Superman had a secret identity.
Natural suspicion? Paranoia? Not to mention you're using the excuse that writers have given to Lex since COIE, in a universe where not even Lex is subject to it.

And even if you ignore ALL of that, the fact of the matter is that Bruce instantly and automatically trusts information he gets second hand from a clearly unhinged Lex without doing much of anything to verify it himself. That's not smart. That's not deduction. It's just dumb.

It works, barely, because of the "blinded by rage" excuse but now we need to see if there's a brain outside of that.

Already an overrated Batman and, much like Gadot's Wonder Woman, is being given far more credit than is due thanks to having one or two cool moments in a long quagmire of shit.

Dock Scene in Begins > Warehouse Scene in BvS.

>>83715025

>Dock scene in Begins > Warehouse scene in BvS

Just wrong. The warehouse scene was one of the best moments in the movie, simply like it was combat right from an Arkham game.

And you actually saw what was happening, unlike the warehouse scene.

>>83715143
>Just wrong. The warehouse scene was one of the best moments in the movie, simply like it was combat right from an Arkham game.

>Dude fires a shot point blank into Batman's head
>Doesn't notice it.

I mean what was the fucking point then?

>>83715025
Nice meme.

>>83715143
It's got better fight choreography, yes.
Nolan is shit at fight choreography. Snyder is better at it. I will agree to that.

But that's not the part of the Dock scene I like. You compare the combat in BvS to an Arkham game? Okay. That's cool. There's a youtube fight club that an do that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwy2RLAPL7k

So I have a hard time thinking it's a big accomplishment.

What I want is Batman moments that are like the Predator missions from an Arkham game, and that's what the Dock Scene is. It's showing you Batman through the see of the criminals he stalks; they DON'T see him until it's too late. That's the point.

>>83715209
You sound insufferable. There isn't a single good action scene in the trilogy other than the motorcycle chase in TDK.

>>83715366
What is your definition of "action scene"?
More importantly, like I said, anybody can beat up guys. What sets Batman apart from other characters is the ninja stuff.

>>83686400
He was great, honestly the truest batman to date, most people don't seem to get that he's is an older brucewayne in this movie, not like in TDK. I loved that this batman and the movie in general took the liberty to let him kill just like he did when first introduced, and all the insperation from The DarkKnight Returns and Injustice.

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>>83701949
Like Pa Kent and his hero cake.

>Pa's parents are farmers
>Somehow they're too ignorant to realize damming a flood would send the water to the neighbors
>Instead of helping them they eat cake as their horses drown

Maybe they just really hated the Langs.

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>>83686670
Has someone made an edit of batman fight scene with the thugs in bvs with arkham game prompts and HUD stuff? Like lighting bolts and takedown prompt etc? Would be cool to see.

>>83716087
That will probably happen when the DVD comes out

>>83687560
who's the second?

>>83687560
Mark hamill joker

>>83716087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqq4_8Pf8C8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbjz-QIIg88

>>83716265
You the man!
Thanks.

>>83705248
>>83706611
There's a line in the movie where some characters say that he only brands people involved in serious crimes like sex trafficking that tend to get people killed by other inmates.

They explicitly say "the mark of the bat is a death sentence in prison."

>>83686400
>no bat schlong
DROPPED

>he doesn't have a batman chin!

My friends keep going back to this and I have no idea what that even means.

>>83716864
But he does...

>>83713068
>But everyone's already seen that
and hardcore fans and normies still want to see that

>That's why his arc is meaningful.
I got it but doing that in the introduction of Batman to movie Universe even a Superman sequel was a very bad execution, normies will claim for backstory, Batfags will claim "no muh Batsy"