This has the clunkiest fucking dialogue I've ever read in

It's a comic that's "big". Lots of characters, more characters on a single page than other comics have in an entire run. Death, lots of death, huge scenes of death, damage and destruction. It's history-making, the course of the universe is irrevocably changed forever.

For casuals, this is the same as being "good". It's the same reason that people buy events. Quality doesn't matter if you can convince a casual that a comic is "big" and/or "important".

The art

>>83630622
Kingdom Come isn't really good, but it's still worth reading. The art is easily its strongest aspect.

>>83630622
I'm sorry the book was to hard for you to read. You should look up comics by bendis. He only has a third grade level writing and should be right up your alley.

>>83630899
Yeah Alex Ross was really inspired by George Perez on Crisis on Infinite Earths. Which was an event comic done right

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Got something for ya right here, OP. It's perfect for people like you!

>>83630622
>"... with a single bolt of lightning... "

The dialogue is CLASSIC. You're full of shit.

Isn't Kingdom Come just a rip-off of Marvels?

>>83630622
> Why is it so well regarded?
It's two fanboys complaining about everything wrong with comics in the 90's and jerking off over how great things were before. It's just like every Waid or Ross comic except Waid's second run on Legion of Super Heroes where he was just openly aggressive with old fans for not liking his new modern run

>>83631238
>It's two fanboys complaining about everything wrong with comics in the 90's and jerking off over how great things were before
I still don't know why people are so nostalgic for the Silver Age.

People like the art and it distracts them enough, which I guess is fair since comics are visual.

I'm not a fan of it though and I like a lot of 90s Waid. Just never did anything for me.

>>83631229
They're not alike at all aside from having the same artist. Marvels is better, though.

>>83630622
Because DC fans are delusional.

>>83631302
I get it. The Silver Age represents a period of incredible creativity. The people working then didn't really give a shit about continuity they just cranked out stories, ideas, and characters. At least to me that's what the Silver Age is.

The Silver Age nostalgia that I don't care for is " No Hal Jordan is MY Green Lantern!"

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> That ending fight
It probably had the most depressingly realistic interpretation of how the world governments would respond to a bunch of insanely powerful heroes having a final stand ans they basically we're out of options

>>83631432
Wasn't that more the Golden Age?

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what does /co/ think off earth X

>>83631435
>still haven't read it but lurking because I'm curious
>automatically open image without reading the post
Why does this always happens to me? Why?
At this point I guess it serves me right for lurking into threads of things I haven't seen yet, but fuck this one hurt me badly.

>>83631469
It was the Silver Age too. You still had people who were stroytellers first not comicbook fans first

The big influx of fan talent was later

>>83631543
Earth-X is great. Someone storytimed it last week, it's probably still in the /co/ archive. It too is better than Kingdom Come, but less acclaimed.

>>83631435
Yeah I really love the imagery throughout the whole book. I love the art, and the ideas behind the plot, but it's so hard to enjoy because of the dialogue. Every character talks in this bizarre pseudo-antiquated tone that reads like the writing of a teenager who just read the first chapter of Fellowship of the Ring.

And EVERY CHARACTER talks this way! They all have the exact same speech patterns and mannerisms! For some reason a down-home evangelical pastor talks in the exact same way as the smartest man on earth, who talks exactly the same way as everybody else in the book.

I was seriously let down by it. My friends kept gushing to me about how good it was but it was a real chore to read.

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>>83631238
>>83631302
>>83631432
All three of you are retarded.

See pic related because you're apparently too illiterate to understand anything on your own.

I swear, anyone born after 1990 has zero fucking reading comprehension.

>>83631597
>thinking writing = dialogue

this the kinda nigga reads britbong invasion writers

>>83631082
>>83631146
I don't get what you're trying to say. Everyone acknowledges that Kingdom Come has bad dialogue. It's not necessarily that it's poorly written in and of itself but the tone of what the characters are saying never matches the context of the scene

>That's what Wesley saw! The destruction of Kansas was truly the beginning of the end. For those who call themselves heroes now share a silent guilt!

And that's absolutely shit, not because of the way it's written, but because the context is a guy suddenly thrust into a chaotic situation trying to make sense of what's going on around him, but it reads like a prepared speech. It just doesn't work.

>>83631625
I don't have a problem with the writing, I quite like the plot and the way the characters behave makes perfect sense. But the way they talk doesn't.

>>83631672
>Everyone acknowledges that Kingdom Come has bad dialogue

Not even close. This poster even called you fags out on this shit: >>83631176

Never read it, but this art is ugly af, i think it's so
"realistic"

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I have a question for you who are calling Kingdom Come 'not that good' etc.
What do you think of Crisis on Infinite Earths? Just curious.

>>83631707
But that line isn't dialogue.

>>83631724
I'm >>83630994
Crisis on Infinite Earths is legitimately great, one of the few events stories worth having, but it's so dense that it's only for dedicated comic fans.

>>83631707
That line is part of a monologue though, it's fine.

The problem is that the regular dialogue between characters just chatting to each other is written in a really flowery, clunky, purple prosey way. It works fine in monologue, especially in the story because the main character has time to collect himself, but it doesn't work in dialogue.

I really liked justice

>>83630622
>Why is it so well regarded?
The art, the scale and the idea behind it.
There are more comics like that. New Frontier for example. Cooke was a good artist, but not a writer.

>>83631543
My favourite elseworld story and also one of my favourite comics

It's visually impressive. Alex Ross' art suits it well, because his art is not dynamic and because of religious elements of the comic. Big battles seems to be canvases.

I can't really remember the dialogues and the writing. What's makes this comic worth is as I said the art, but also the designs of characters.

>>83630622
I didn't know Pepsiman could grow in size as well

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>>83631865
As long as you've got the refreshing power of Pepsi™ on your side, noting is impossible!

The comic is literally 'NOT MUH' but the art is really nice.

>>83632045
This

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>>83631716
Alex Ross' intent is to portray superheroes as larger than life mythic figures. They look like his friends in cheap Halloween costumes

>>83634029
>They look like his friends in cheap Halloween costumes
That's exactly what they are.

>>83634095
I know

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>>83634088
>>83634094
Pls no.

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>>83630622
who is this girl?
she cant be starfire because she`s dead in the story

>>83634136
> Jeph Loeb wrote Commando
Wait what?

>>83634245
Starfire and Nightwing's daughter

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>>83634275
He wrote the script.

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Screenwriter Jeph Loeb pitched his original idea to producer Robert Kosberg, who then partnered with Stephanie Brody, and together the two brought the spec script by Loeb to producer Joel Silver. Loeb states that the film was originally conceived as a vehicle for Gene Simmons, who passed, and later scripted with Nick Nolte in mind to play the lead as an out-of-condition former commando struggling with the demands of his mission. Walter Hill was originally involved in the development process. Kosberg and Brody were credited as Associate Producers.[4]

The original concept was for an Israeli special forces–Mossad agent who, sick of the continual death and destruction in the Middle East, emigrates from Israel to the United States, where he is forced out of his self-imposed retirement after his daughter is kidnapped. This was modified and further adapted when Schwarzenegger was cast; some of the original dialogue can be heard in the deleted scenes when Matrix says he regrets his past actions.

>>83631724
there was filler in some parts and the monitor and anti monitor were one note

Aww shit I have been reading this from right to left. I want to die.

>>83634088
I can see Wondies ass

>>83631546
Shit sorry I clicked on spoiler but I guess it didn't go through

>>83634635
The red/green Joker's daughter on that page
Brian Azzerellos wife Jill Thompson was the model for that character

a bit of trivia for you /co/

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>>83634323
no this is her

>>83634909
that was harlequin

>>83634245
Modern Red Tornado. Eventually inttoduced for real in John's JSoA.

I love Kingdom Come. No complaints.

>>83631607
So Magog was supposed to represent the typical "gritty and dark" heroes of the 90's while Superman was supposed to represent classic super heroics?

>>83630622
because you have shit taste.

>>83634165
Was the bat and eagle fighting supposed to foreshadow Batman and Wonder Women?

>>83630622
Honestly, although Alex Ross's art is one of the most praised parts, I didn't like it.

I think he's a great artist, but his ultra-realistic style really highlights how silly superhero costumes are. Especially since he has an obsession with Golden Age heroes and designs, which look even more ridiculous when Ross does them.

>>83635186
>>83635160
This is pretty easy symbolism to untangle fellas. Use your thinkin' brains.

>Alex Ross is bad because he illustrates really well but doesn't edge up the character designs thus making me fully aware I'm reading a gay comic for babies
lol

>>83635078
Is that Donna and Roy?

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>>83635606
Yup

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Donna_Troy_%28Earth-22%29

>>83635594
>Holy God!

>>83631145
Crisis on Infinite Earths was not done right at all. It was nothing but a huge clusterfuck of character transitions all happening in the same panel. Tiny conflicts went away like blips. All I was thinking the entire time was "just fucking kill the anti-Monitor already"

>he thinks the art is good

kek.png

>>83631672
You're just wrong and stupid about being wrong. You make the world a worse place by existing.

Goddamn the storytime sure murdered any decent discussion.

>>83634906
Nah don't worry. It's my fault for going into a thread were obviously people already read the very well known piece they're talking about.
I do this to myself all the time, yet I keep lurking into these threads like an idiot.
Curiosity killed the cat.

>>83631229
In some way they're similar as in they both try analyze the role and rules of cape comics and how fans relate to them, but Marvels is more contemplative where KC instead has a more active message and a more busy story

I'm glad people are finally coming around on how awful Kingdom Come is.

>>83636606
>Flash's helmet makes Dick's cowl like Batman's one

POTTERY

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The end

>>83631724
I tried to read it, but it was almost unbearable for me, felt like i've read 60-something pages of "nothing happens" with a good mix of "i bet you have no idea who this character is", but there were a couple of cool moments here and there

But i'll admit i'm not well read enough about the DC multiverse, the story just isn't for me i guess

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>>83636550

What a disgusting ending. At least with waid feuding with dc, he'll never write Wonder Woman again. Sucks that the damage is kind of done, though.

>>83637452

It's alright if a bit gutless and safe. I like the touch the that Bruce and Clark become their dads even if Bruce is literally never set up as a doctor or healer

>>83631238
I didn't remember complaining about old times in ANADA.

>Elseworlds story about the future trinity
>Diana always a glorified cocksleeve for either Clark or Bruce

Every time

>>83638629

The book is the biggest case of DCs persecution complex.

Blaming others for the problems on their books or bottom line.

It is really frustrating, combined with the really bad static sequential art in the book it has little redeeming about it.

>>83634986
Is that ... is that Sinestro in a wife-beater?

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>>83638859
if you ask me
this book got trough KC´s message much better

>>83639650
> Joe Kelly throwing an tantrum because The Authority was outselling him

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>>83634271
Say what you can't about the writing but Ross is a damn fine artist
>that Giant jimmy Olson reference

>>83634587
>>83634597
>Batbots are more effective at batmaning than batman

>>83634663
It's superman!

>>83635115
>>83635133
Was Magog supposed to represent the rise of the edgy comic hero of the post watchmen 90s?

>>83640107
He's a parody of Cable

>>83635857
>That buldge

>>83635935
>>83635947
>Nuking your own country
> it's the only way
Always thought they were acting a little retarded sense they knew at least a few of them could take the blast

>>83635935
>>83635947
Does /co/ agree nuking them was the best solution?

>>83635978
I'm batman!

>>83636046
Oh fuck, you know you're fucked when batman knows you're fucked

>Such was the case with Kingdom Come, a prestige miniseries released with a tidal wave of marketing fol-de-rol by DC in 1996. Intended by creators Mark Waid and Alex Ross to be a statement about the Chromium Age excess which had overtaken (and damn near wrecked) the comic industry, it is the comics equivalent of two old farts shouting at those damn punk kids for cutting across their lawn.

>As far as messages go, Kindgom Come was as vapid as it was self-contradicting. It enshrined the illusory integrity of artifices past without stopping to consider that red kryptonite and oversized leg pouches are merely generational window dressing for the single underlying mercenary principle which had guided the superhero genre for decades — a straight-up appeal to the part of childhood’s collective lizard brain that responds to high concept silliness. The real issue was whose inner child was being served — an eleven year old kid’s or a forty-something fanboy’s?

>The lack of a coherent narrative aside, Kingdom Come turned out to be incredibly successful, its sales bouyed by that segment of fandom prone to be impressed by stiff, commercial-grade painted artwork and pompous psuedo-Biblical allegories aimed at adding literary pretentions to a work which was as overblown and absurd as the Image titles it was railing against.

>>83636187
>>83636198
>>83636209
>>83636229
>>83636251
Holy shit this gets me every time, shazams sacrifice, everyone noticing the Nukes and the sheer horror on their faces because of it

>people shitting on KC's nostalgic atmosphere
>still would suck Morrison's dick

you fucking kids disgust me

>>83636251
>>83636264
Damn this is haunting

>>83636737
It's isn't that fucking bad

>>83640400
This sums it up fairly well, actually.

Did anyone ever storytelling this? I'm trying to find it in the co archive

>>83640432
I'll shit on them both

>>83640613
Look in the fucking thread