Why don't western cartoons use English Pop music use

>>83604113
because it'll be dated in a few months?

>>83604113
Because it's a bad idea. Also, western Pop artists don't sell their souls to the company store so they expect actual compensation for shit like that.

>>83604113
Because it's cheaper to have your composer make a minute long clip than license a song. Japanese shows are sponsored by companies that own the rights to musicians work and can set up deals to feature tracks as OPs and EDs

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>>83604113

Why don't western cartoons use English Pop music use as the ending theme?

Probably too expensive.

Also, can you imagine Adventure Time with a pop intro by Rhianna or something? Jesus God just kill me now.

>>83604113
RIAA, music licensing fees, and individuality.
Do you remember "Daria"?
In order to release it on DVD, they had to remove the music tracks from every episode. Because licensing them all would have cost more than the cartoon was worth in DVD sales. Our music copyright system is so ass-backwards that it makes it cheaper to just write an original theme tune.

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I always fucking cringe because of anime pop.

It's a stupid trope that should leave anime.
It doesn't matter what genre, if it's grim dark or if it's middle ages fantasy the show HAS to have a pop song that doesn't have any relation to the show and doesn't even represent the show.

In America we make our own songs with a jingle that introduces the show, offers insight into the themes of the series and follows the same beat.

OPM at least had Jap metal which is pretty funny. And Lain had a Vietnamese acoustic guitar for her opening. Other anime should follow that.

>another "why don't cartoons just become anime" thread

Because the network requires shows to have theme songs to explain the basic concept of the show to new viewers, not to sell CDs.
And Americans don't buy CDs.

>>83604113
because english pop is shit and not catchy at all.

I'd rather not have to sit through the same two minute music video every episode.

>>83604113
Because Western singers would demand a gorillion dollars.

>>83604113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p81_kAFdyr8

infinitely more memorable

>>83604285
But i like some Pop songs there like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMpI_bc3LrI

>>83604366
Nothing beats this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG0uaNS87Dc

>>83604113
Oh man, I just know someone is going to show up and start a whole western animation vs anime debate.

>>83604394
Fuck i meant this to>>83604361

>>83604245
I have always said the copyright system needs an overhaul but it's to risky to auctualy do it in case it gets hyjacked by faggots that just want to get rid of copyright altogether.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCyf1AwOJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Hiu92LRYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y2VzSY1HIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No_omXE6TK0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IzSGvXc_PM

>>83604316
This. Who the fuck actually wants to hear Rihanna every half hour when CN airs a marathon

>>83604113
>Why don't western cartoons use English Pop music use as the opening theme?

Because in Japan, the record labels pay the studios to include their songs in the cartoon.

In the West, the studios have to pay the record labels for the license to use their songs in the cartoon.

>>83604113
In western, the intro is much less important than eastern.

Because the show would have to pay instead of the show GETTING paid like in Japan.

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>>83604113
Because it come's off as cringey. The closest thing that we ever got was generator rex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWdm5CWKrwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgMAKuJIkmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MNUas5g7TQ

>>83604285
Anime OPs are not all the same. They are not all pop songs or the same kind of pop songs. Shows like Psycho-Pass, Kabaneri, Knights of Sidonia and Overlord don't have the same kind of OPs as Yuru Yuri, Anne Happy and K-On. The production committee does excercise some common sense when deciding on the song. Sometimes they're even instrumentals.

This season:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhWsRBdvLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNbCzKcn-PY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1vemcVD5A0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lajKU63hfW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8d3bW42aFY

The OP/ED system of anime is great because the record company covers some of the production costs, there's an additional source of revenue, and the artist and anime both promote each other, but I don't know if it could be implemented in America.

>>83604812
Also I forgot to say that OPs usually seem to be composed specifically for the show, not just picked from a list.

>>83604316

it's a shame really.

Japanese music does sound more pleasing to the ears, half of it is probably because i don't speak the language.

>>83604926
Western cartoons occasionally get popular artists to do their intros. It doesn't happen often, but it happens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eylzazKebD8

>>83604798
i fucking love the Paradise Kiss ED.

>>83604285
I'm reminded of Yona's 2nd OP that was a not a well-fitting song compared to the first OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nBCpV_WinA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkdUI9F8AYs

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I have always liked OPs in anime because i always found myself some good japanese music to listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2ZMhkhNfcw&index=8&list=FLEba2K_dbPwH3kQEqp5jwQQ

>>83604949
>half of it is probably because i don't speak the language.
Probably yeah it is a language that is pleasing to the ears but I'm sure understanding a lot of those songs will cause you to hate them.
There probably no difrent in theme to western stuff

>>83604113
American pop artists are soulless and demand a whole lot more money than Japanese ones. Also the copyright system in the west is fucked.

>>83604212
Holy shit! It will be like an AMV shit

>>83604926
Sometimes they do just grab a song that happens to be popular. This One Piece song, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=644YfRpE3oE

It's just a Japanese cover of an English Eurobeat song that happened to be popular at the time (which later got recursively dubbed into English). It wasn't even composed specifically for the show.

>>83604183
Half the reason I love Jojo's is all of the references to western music acts.

>>83604245
This happened to Mission Hill, too.

>Jojo uses Savage Garden as an ED theme

That is so fucking surreal...

>>83605054
Yeah, Yona's second OP is a real blunder. It doesn't fit and they recycled so much of the footage from the first one.

Red Garden is also a good example.

OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir4XZ6583rc
ED: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOBW1WYXKOk

Neither of them fit the show, the ED least of all. I'm sure they were just forced to include something, anything, they could sell as singles.

And this is the music that the composer and a singer produced for the soundtrack, which fit the tone of the show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsbiSbvrRn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la6aaRodbXU

They could have made really fitting and memorable OPs and EDs for the series, but alas. The integration of the music and anime industries doesn't always produce good results.

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>>83605160
Eurobeat is fucking 10/10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6NOMaotpDw

A whole host of interrelated reasons. Primarily:
- Money
Dollars flow towards artists and music labels in the US, not the other way around as with Japanese media conglomerates that use anime as an advertising platform for merchandise beyond toys. This is why on the occassion when a Western pop song headlines an anime in Japan, it isn't replicated for the American release of that title.
>Appropriate opportunities
90 seconds on either end of an episode is insanely luxurious for a one-hour time slot in the US, let alone a half-hour. That's because there are major structural differences in commercial advertising between late-night anime and most American television.
- Lack of incentive
American cartoons and produced for young kids, a demographic that does not consume copious amounts of music. Therefore, nobody gains from advertising a couple new top 40 singles to them.

>>83604812
>I don't know if it could be implemented in America.
Good point. What artist would want "As heard in the Wonder Over Yonder cartoon!" with a goofy character on the front of an album?

>>83605160
One Piece might be different as it's a continuously running show.

>>83605160
>>83605391
DID SOMEONE SAY EUROBEAT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0B53K7MBZ4

>>83604113
Because ukulele music is interchangeable with bank and yogurt adverts.

>>83605394
These are good points.

There's a lot of differences like this between the American and Japanese industries that aren't immediately obvious.

>>83604798

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXKIdyDWJTg

American companies barely spend money as is. You really think they'd spend more.

>>83605537
Although it did just occur to me that daytime anime does have commercials, but uses OPs and EDs the same way late night anime does. And anime that's aimed at children also sells music. The girls' series Aikatsu! even revolves around music and there's been a lot of album releases.

>>83604113
Some used to :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f62TiDtEkL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOl0WW2sdYE

Bonus : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Qzsr_8IbA

EDs are good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH0B2FnVEWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbx0WPICW14
>inb4 moeshit
yes i know but i enjoyed Non Non Biyori

>>83604285
You are full of shit
http://youtu.be/h6-kETedHFI
http://youtu.be/Aw3fN3OPk3A
http://youtu.be/QxkMzn4et2U
http://youtu.be/wApAEg0ErgE
http://youtu.be/Kt3tKHRrjWw
http://youtu.be/Yswoe_RnJXQ
http://youtu.be/Gx-2EK8SRaU
http://youtu.be/4si-j4XmzzU
http://youtu.be/hMNJwUUHMxc
http://youtu.be/FQf-NkWz7Yo
http://youtu.be/EZRo8Z1Ser8
http://youtu.be/k2IGRs2_a0Q
http://youtu.be/tbkpGOMyrCY
http://youtu.be/rhx-qWDMGyo

>>83605782

Yeah, the power of idol culture, mang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INo_5WXov3A

>>83605782
They sell even character cds with just two musics.
http://youtu.be/MuOAnWNFvTc
http://youtu.be/dMtDllZHDuw
Stupid sexy Mai Stupid sexy Sakamoto as well

>>83605230
If you think that's surreal Savage Garden is releasing a new album and they have Josuke on the cover

Konosubas ED was comfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBmigxm8fu8

>>83606221
I really liked Rakugo's OP, speaking of last season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K28Lcc-MdJs

>>83604316
jpop is just as bad m8
the 3 worst music genres are
1 metal
2 pop
3 rap

>>83606284
That's a top tier OP right there

>>83606186

Wow.

>>83606339
But there is a lot good jpop but i do agree that most of it is bad.

>>83606284
The ED is also great.

https://my.mixtape.moe/tynnxj.webm

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>>83606351

>>83604113
Too much hype for an 11-minute cartoon.

Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n21NT9sWbsc

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>>83606339
>the 3 worst music genres are
>1 metal
>2 pop
>3 rap

Japan already proved it works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rSw4Xl5qfs

Because the opening for a western cartoon isn't really a marketable product like the opening to an anime.
The opening to an anime is selling you the single for that song.
I can't think of too many western shows at all that managed to have an opening worth selling besides Friends.

>>83606522
20 sec opening for a 5 min episode.
http://youtu.be/jCv35adlOG0

Ironically with all the gratuitous english in many animes this one is a Japanese opening in an educational anime to teach English. Also the story is pretty good.

>>83604113
Money.
It's cheaper to make their own theme

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>>83606641
Kevin Mantei is pretty good. http://youtu.be/fTUx52syT4o

It is a shame that people don't care as much about music in the west.

>>83604113
Because the US is faggy but not herbivore men level faggy yet.

>>83604782
Did you grab this from a "cartoons only you remember" thread?

>>83606727
Usakame has a 40 second opening for 3:30 long episodes. The ending is 50 seconds. Pan de Peace!'s opening is 30 seconds out of 3:15.

>>83606868
Is music now faggy?

>anime's opening is just a character walking around/sitting and staring with a few action scenes sprinkled in with zero flow between shots
Glad this doesn't happens often anymore.

>>83604183
Because practically no channel shows credits full-screen anymore.

>>83606339
pop is nOT A GENRE YOU MONGOLOID

>>83604798
I think Paranoid Android was so expensive to license the network (Fuse, not Adult Swim) had to pay for it.

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>>83604316

>jpop

>"good" by any stretch of the word

Jesus christ weeb are this deluded

>>83607209
different strokes for different folks, ya faggot

>>83607209
It is good, and enjoying it doesn't make anyone a weeaboo.

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>>83607302

>It is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAG3MyR-MGk

Sorry mang, i don't have the capacity to enjoy something "ironically"

>>83607980
I thought we were talking about music appearing in anime.

>>83607980
Not him but most viewed doesn't means the best. It is like saying that the most viewed american music videos represents all american music.

>>83604113
Money reasons, and just as well, too.

Modern pop music is mostly trash. At least, the stuff generally popular enough to be licensed as a theme song is. Do you really want to be listening to some horrible Gaga or Rihanna shit whenever you tune in to comedy carton #5253262?

>>83606221
Everything about that show was comfy.

First anime in years to actually make me laugh.

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>>83607980
>Top 50 most viewed J-pop videos
>see look guys i know j-pop and it sucks lol

>>83608104
Well, people seems to like that Zootopia music...

>>83608157

>i know j-pop

No, im all of it/99% it's shit, pointing out that one song that isn't doesn't disprove what i said

>>83608072

>the most viewed american music videos represents all american music

they are indicative of the music tendencies/style of the country, what are you on about ?

>>83608264

*saying

>>83608072
It represents what's popular, which defines the mainstream trends. Of course there will always be outliers, but those aren't what people are listening to.

>>83608306
They are usually shit. At least my country have lots of good music that is popular overseas but what is popular in the country is shit.

Duran Duran's Girls on Film was used for the opening for Speed Grapher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlIyGMkOTTw
However when Funimation did the series they couldn't get rights to use the song so they only used this opening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOITIb_ECRc

>>83609353
There was a period when using Western OP/ED music was trendy or there was some other rationale for it.

Have some Japanese Funk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPD2y4gT3vw

>>83604183
because they're not allowed to make an opening longer than 10 seconds so they go with something simple

>>83609557
Ah yes, the first half of the 2000s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRwaHozoick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD4_vlPMao

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>>83604113
>Why don't western cartoons use English Pop music use as the opening theme?
>English Pop Music
>Pop Music

>watching new episode of cartoon
>suddenly Maroon 5/Justin Bieber/ One Direction/ Rihanna

No fucking thanks.

Also J-pop is equally or even more shit, If you like music that isn't simply garbage you will always skip the OP of about 80% of the anime there is.

I like Shibuya-kei
http://youtu.be/qg7QYvi9NmE

>>83605950
Not that guy but the did you even read the post?
He was talking about j-pop ya dingus

>>83610029
From 2014
http://youtu.be/lG0uaNS87Dc

>>83604316
Yeah 99% of english pop is bad but
>implying j-pop isn't even worse by any metric

One needs to be a grade A weeb to actually defend J-pop

>>83610118
Someone else already posted Mushishi

>>83610080
Did you? I will quote him.
>It doesn't matter what genre, if it's grim dark or if it's middle ages fantasy the show HAS to have a pop song that doesn't have any relation to the show and doesn't even represent the show.
No, it doesn't he is full of shit just like you.

>>83610046
Anime has tons of good OPs and EDs, and it's rare for them to be outright bad. The quality of music in anime in general is really high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13Jxl1WLFvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRF5TIhshlo

>>83610125
How about this? >>83610064

>>83610125
When we talk about "j-pop," what exactly are we talking about? Just idol groups?

>>83610169
>if it's grim dark or if it's middle ages fantasy the show HAS to have a pop song that doesn't have any relation to the show and doesn't even represent the show.
>the show HAS to have a pop song that doesn't have any relation to the show
> a pop song

Nice reading comprehension mate

>>83610146
The first season was from 2006, the second from 2014. So western OP/ED music is not a trend, is just something that happens from time to time.

>>83610238
He said it has to have a pop song, it doesn't retard!

>>83610280
There was a time in the 00s when Western music was used a disproportionate amount. That was also when anime's popularity overseas was at its peak.

>>83605054
>show's setting is in ancient not-Persia
>let's put this song in the OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSGYL-ZD0_Q

But looking back, the OP song was one of the show's smaller problems

>>83610229
Japanese pop, so yeah, that includes idol group.
Those especially piss me off because they rely on a cult of personality and just pretty faces to make up for horrible music

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JIBUN WOO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLCK5xoHzCM

>>83610176
Second example sounds completely generic
First one still doesn't really stand out, the pace is slower than the average song but still nothing notorious.
Anime does have good OPs but they are rare

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>>83604113
>There will never be a turbofolk opening theme in any cartoon ever

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>>83610449
I would not they are rare but there is alot shit but there is alot good too.
This is one of my favorites from 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1qrQWyuM3U

>>83610383
>Japanese pop
So, for example (?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-LaVeX6y28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lBcfleDI98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6XFjhOTsoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0HGFly2kO8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcIOg_m-bp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8_vqfjYpBg

>>83606641
Chicks Dig Giant Robots is a pretty good complete song, or I guess if you want to get technical Metalocalypse's opening was on its album.

>>83606339
I bet you think there are only 5 genres

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvbaM-URygs

It is prety generic but it is catchy as fuck.

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>>83604285
It used to.

>>83610449
Generic is not a real word. It does not mean anything. It's used to criticize literally anything related to anime, no matter what it is.

If we went by the actual dictionary definition of generic (and nobody ever does, which is why it's no longer a real word), then we would be talking about a song that's like many or most others and doesn't differentiate itself in any way. There are OPs/EDs like that, I guess, but these are not one of them. You just went for "generic" because everyone goes for "generic." It's the generic criticism against anything pertaining to anime. It's the default. Even if nobody knows what it means.

>Anime does have good OPs but they are rare
They aren't rare at all.

>>83605129
>artists
It's always the company.

>>83610449
It's actually rare to see an OP that's just not redeemable in all aspects (personally this one I find to be pretty bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLvpg9ODAgk)

Usually they're at least decent and worth 1-2 watches, even if the really great and memorable ones are one in a couple dozen.

>>83604285
>doesn't even represent the show
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c9dAQr5l_f8

They made a different ending animation with a different original music with a different thematic for every single episode.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhqmf6
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdrygg
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbzy5o
And they were all adorable.

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>>83607209
>apop
http://youtu.be/gJLIiF15wjQ?t=49s

Because FUCK that shit, they have to license it and it takes away time from ad revenue. It's a business, kid.

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>>83610810
>Generic is not a real word.

CAUSE I FEEL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ0onJKSITA

>>83611073
It's business in Japan too, but the model is different. Some shows like Love Live and Idolmaster even strongly emphasize music sales.

>>83611130
Now try reading the rest of the post where I explain why it isn't a real word.

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>>83611178

even when erased kinda turned to decent anime, OP was still good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0QS31-R2AM

>>83611218
If you don't have the attention span to read more than six words you might want to consider the idea of not posting anymore.

>>83611227
I actually like it even more in the first episode when it's used as the ED.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2wh7k

http://youtu.be/FAwen6QXyG4

This is something that I've always really, really wanted to see, but I know it's not really feasible and if animation studios actually managed to do it, it'd probably be terrible anyway.

At the very least, I wish more Western cartoons had memorable music like a lot of anime does.

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>>83611304

>>83611386
Invader zim had very memorable and unique music. The same guy made music for Justice league but sadly those musics often are very short as they never were made to be sold, just to be used in the cartoon.

If you didn't have to go to some backwater site to post your OP because of outrageous youtube legal issues you don't know shit about OPs
https://vimeo.com/142699269

>>83611445
Also I like Adventure Time ending theme. I find it pretty relaxing and I feel like it would be a nice song to sing for my kids when I have some...

>>83611445
I think the list of Western cartoons that actually had good soundtracks/background music is something like:

>the DCAU
>Samurai Jack
>Invader Zim (I guess; it's been years since I've seen it)
>Hey Arnold!
>Adventure Time
>Steven Universe
>Phineas & Ferb
>old school Looney Tunes

>>83611567
>old school Looney Tunes
You mean classic, opera and jazz?

>>83604113
Why don't western cartoons commission badass rockpop ballads for their opening themes ANYMORE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqL_SO2thsE

This could be the best and worst idea for cartoons.

Probably most of the /co/ havent seen Working and not like it but i enjoyed it an ED 2 is catchy as hell.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElKhcCKHoPU

>>83604316
>>83604734
>>83604949
>>83610125
I really thought the weeb retardation subsided in 2011.

>>83611640
Feels like western animation got cheaper and cheaper over the time. It is not so obvious because modern animation techniques can hide it better than in the hand drawn times.

>>83611386
American animation seems to give no fucks about music. I'm not sure why.

Even a very trashy, fanservice-laden harem spectacle like Shinmai Maou has music like this when it certainly doesn't need it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYWCd4Y4Bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ13_E8HqKc

>>83610582
This is one of my favorites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBfoYjb7Y7k
2014 was a fun year

>>83612027
It really was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vvL3z3pAs0

>>83611621
Sure.

I forgot about:
>Gargoyles
>90's era Disney shows like DuckTales in general

http://youtu.be/gfZh80kZm3g

>>83612466
Ducktales was a Gem. It would never get the greenlight in the original form nowadays...

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>>83604285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnI4wD1vSfI

>>83604113
I swear to god, FMA has the least interesting opening songs I've ever heard. Yes, I don't like ALL 27.000 of them. I mean some of them were less grating, but on average, they were pretty bad.

>>83612681
I consider pretty disappointing that a series with such interesting setting had an opening that would would be fit to Naruto or Bleach. I even like the ending but I don't feel like any of them reflect the feel of the series.

>>83612019
>there will never be a Superman cartoon with amazing production values with something like this playing in the background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Z5RFBAX2M

>>83610046
Why does everyone think that English pop is just Rihanna or Justin Bieber?

>>83613223
For the same reason people think J-pop is just idols?

>>83610810
>Generic is not a real word
Is this the new "fun is not real"?

>>83613287
Try reading the rest of the post where it's explained why it isn't a real word.

http://youtu.be/6P_CZlrlvyI

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Isn't most of Jpop in the anime industry still niche though? Like some of the more famous ones just attract the anime otaku crowd it seems.

>>83604113
On similar note I only like the use of theme song in Makoto Sinkai's movies. They serve a purpose and tie into the themes. Otherwise it's just random song thrown in a lot of Japanese animation to be ear candy.

>>83613497
Them they aren't popular if just a hand full of people like them. They just happen to have a small group of people who spends disproportionally large amounts of money.

Also I have no idea what you mean by "most J-pop in the anime industry".

>>83610727
>>83611958
http://youtu.be/KlxFARJQf30

Chibi maruko-chan OP is pretty catchy. I liked to dance to it on DDR before even knowing that it wad an anime OP.

>>83613497
I think most music heard in anime is either below mainstream, or only at the lowest tiers of mainstream. Some musical acts seem to almost entirely revolve around anime, like Kalafina and nano.RIPE (which says something about the scope of both industries).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExIHmrIckpQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va-m0oG1ApM

Kanako Itou is mostly associated with songs featured in 5bp's games and their anime, like Steins;Gate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0getIXnq7xA

>>83613618
Songs aren't used at random in anime. And it's not like a song always has to be thematically relevant somehow.

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>>83613681
>Also I have no idea what you mean by "most J-pop in the anime industry".
I mean that when I say J-pop, it's just a distinction between Japanese pop music and the pop music outside of Japan. I thought that only a handful of super big songs in Japan would end up as anime intros and most of the pop songs that are used in anime are actually just filling in a niche because j-pop- has become so closely associated to anime.

Now there's totally rock bands in japan that just make albums and end up having their music used for openings as well but it's also not uncommon for bands to make songs specifically because they were offered a spot to showcase a song for an anime intro.

Everyone's getting worked up over the idea of Rihanna and Kanye in all your adventure time and samurai jack and that we should stick to making music original to the series but it seems like Japan does pretty much the same thing, the only difference is that upbeat pop and rock songs have a history with Japan so it caters to that audience by finding talent to license songs cheaply for the intros of anime so the average otaku could eat it up and make sales.

I mean I could be totally wrong and if so I'd like someone with more knowledge of anime and it's relation to the Japanese music industry to explain it to me

Why isn't jazz more prevalent in cartoons?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=812ny8Z7x2Y

>>83614041
I would say that the J-pop group I heard talk the most is AKB48, how many animes they make music for? I don't remember watching any of them. I don't remember an specific J-pop group being responsible to many animes OPs.

>>83614102
Japan loves jazz.

>>83614102
Because it's a cartoon, not a smokey bar lounge

>>83613331
You can make stuff up in your head all you like man, it doesn't change the fact that the word exists and has an actual defined meaning.

>>83614041
The business model in anime is to produce new songs, not use pre-existing songs. The record company I think is usually on the production committee, and thus partially funds the production of the anime. Do major record companies dealing with major artists have any interest in doing that, aside from maybe very popular daytime shows or movies? I've never looked into it, but probably not. And from the record company's perspective it might be better to use an anime to promote less known artists than major ones that everyone already knows.

>>83614199
There were two AKB48 anime, but I don't think they've done anything aside from that.

>>83614570
Read the entire post.

>>83614633
I looked up King Records, which shows up in anime very often. It's actually the label of AKB48, but most of the names listed in the Wikipedia article seem to be voice actresses. There's also Momoiro Clover Z which is popular too. They've done themes for some major anime like Sailor Moon. AKB48 and MCZ are both kind of otaku though, and there's a lot of overlap between idols and anime.

>>83612019
>This video contains content from columbia. It is not available in your country.

>>83616618
Yeah, YouTube is a piece of shit these days.

>>83616709
Yep.

Here's something that I really like though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPqCJk2CSro

>>83604144
I still like the FMA openings from 10 years ago.

>>83604113
Why don't western cartoons use Jazz as the opening theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw3fN3OPk3A

>>83606339
>jpop is shit
Ok, I can agree with tha-
>metal is shit
faggot with shit taste detected

>>83614633
>>83614970
From what I know AKB48 doesn't sing the OP of the AKB48 anime. The VAs are the ones who sing it.

>>83604285
>if it's grim dark or if it's middle ages fantasy the show HAS to have a pop song that doesn't have any relation to the show and doesn't even represent the show.
Berserk sure had some nice J-POP song for sure!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhEzb-FCFnk

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>>83604285
>In America we make our own songs with a jingle that introduces the show, offers insight into the themes of the series and follows the same beat.
That's literally 90% of the anime theme songs, specially in the 70's, but a more modern example is stuff like Attack on Titan, or the JJBA openings, or literally any opening by JAM Project.

>>83618258
Why doesn't more anime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msg8ypnLqaw

>>83618258
Japan likes Jazz and bossa nova. I hear more bossa nova randomly playing in stores in Japan than I do in Brazil. Probably it is the same with Jazz. Also I like more japanese bossa nova. I feel like the delicate Japanese girl voice fits better the music than the old men that usually represents Bossa nova in Brazil.

>>83618469
AKB48's characters were played by members of AKB48.

There's hardly any memorable music in cartoons these days (if at all).

>>83605160
Yeah but not always. Like, take Fate/Zero for example where Yuki Kajiura wrote the soundtrack AND did the opening and ending songs for both seasons.

>>83618734
It's kinda funny how Japan gave us a pretty hardcore X-Men theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2jTogBrWrA

>>83618773
Kajiura and Kalafina also did the music, insert songs and endings for Madoka and Kara no Kyoukai.

>>83618867
That's because they are attached to a hip due to Kalafina being Kajiura's project. Every studio hiring her is pretty much saying "well let's her make the opening and ending too, saves us time".

>>83618512
>>83618601
They created their own Jazz/Bossa Nova/Pop hybrid called Shibuya kei http://youtu.be/vDjMMeeXcOM

>>83618647
Oh, I see... I assumed that if that were the case they would name the characters based on the idols so they would promote each other mutually. My bad.

>>83618926
It's not typically the studio that makes that decision. Deciding what OP and ED music to use is a high level decision made by the production committee (which may or may not involve the studio).

What's basically needed is something that can be sold as a single, and Kalafina easily fits that description. Of course the music has to fit the show too. It seems like Kajiura has composed a lot of songs, but Kalafina hasn't been involved with most of them.

>>83619299
>It seems like Kajiura has composed a lot of songs, but Kalafina hasn't been involved with most of them.
You might check FictionJunction and See-Saw then, which were Kajiura's "bands" before Kalafina.