Why is /co/ so autistic about FemThor? It's still Jason

It's really, really not. I don't want to get to into this (and /co/ is not really the place with all the women-hating shit you get here) but it reads like a guy read a textbook on feminism and then felt a demonstrative and performative need to shovel as much of that into the book as possible without any regard for the main character, Jane Foster, or any of the established Thor supporting characters, to the vast detriment of the book.

I don't hate the idea of an unworthy Odinson having adventures while Jane, a longterm Thor character with a lot of material to play around with, takes up the mantle - but this is a really poor execution of the potential that concept could have had.

>>83506957
Forced feminism makes Whor a chore to read.

>why is /co/ so autistic about Femthor
Because nobody else is.
>quality AF
Well you're wrong there.

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>>83506957

I've never been a fan of Jason Aaron, and then the second he gets on Thor he kills my obscure Dark Elf waifu to "raise the stakes" with the Dark Elves.

Fuck Jason Aaron, man.

>>83506957
No it really isn't. There's an astounding lack of focus and narrative drive and Jane herself is incredibly bland and useless in her own book. Even though she should be the center piece she doesn't make any logical decisions and the decisions she does make dont move the plot forward in anyway. She's just around to be an obtuse asshole that hits shit with her shiny new hammer. And don't even get me started on the "Who is Thor?" Shit that took up 8 issues in the first run.

>>83506957
>outside of a few panels

>>83507091
>that pic
God dayum.

>>83507091
But feminism, anon! What does it matter if he kills an established strong female character for shock value?! Jason will surely write more empowered women like Amanda von Doom into the story.

To summarise
>Since when is Thor's name a title?
>The who is Thor mystery was incredibly boring and over stretched
>Nobody cares about Jane Foster
>Rather than show us why the new girl is cool the writer prefers to just shit on established characters to make her look good by comparison
>The Titania/Absorbing man scene
Also sexism I guess?

>>83506957
>It's quality
Except it's not. That's the real problem. I don't think anyone here actually gives a shit if Thor has tits or not

>>83507165
>I don't think anyone here actually gives a shit if Thor has tits or not
Well you're wrong about that one sir. I know for a fact that thered be people bitching even of JaneThor was godbutcher tier.

Might as well storytime the last issue, because people are clearly just parroting shit from /co/ without reading it.

I was never really a fan of Thor but I could at least say as a character he wasn't boring.
Jane is an impossibly boring character with "look at how cool she is" shit thrown in

>>83507155
>Since when is Thor's name a title?

Since that guy who eventually became Thunderstrike became Thor, back in the... fuck, late 80s I think?

>>83507035
This. It feels like Jason Aaron left the book after 25 issues and someone else is ghost writing it. I know not everyone liked God Bomb and the other arcs in those issues but the difference in quality between those and female thor are like night and day.

>>83507261
But Thunderstrike actually just had thor in him and thought he was thor for a while.

>>83507270
I think Aaron is being abused by Marvel's editors.

>>83507204
No. I dropped the comic for a reason.

>>83507155
To add:
>Odin going out of character and being a complete asshole
>almost everyone accepts someone else besides Thor weilding Mjolnir, from Asgard to Avengers, the few ones who don't are portrayed as evil

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>>83507270

Look at how the concept of Jane Foster-Thor was introduced in the first volume

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>>83507317

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>>83507348

Her story literally falls out of the sky and on to their desk.

>>83506957
>FemThor
Whor is the correct title, and it will last until she does something worthy

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>>83507349

>>83507193
Possibly, but that fact that it isn't means it gets even more hate.

>>83507365
Whor is a horrible title and almost makes me want to like the book.

>>83507283
>But Thunderstrike actually just had thor in him
A reveal that didn't happen until a couple issues before he stopped being Thor.

>and thought he was thor for a while
At no point did he think he was Thor. As far as he knew, Thor had gone missing and was possibly dead, so Eric used Mjolnir to carry on the title of Thor. He tried keeping it a secret that he wasn't the real Thor, but plenty of people figured it out (like Absorbing Man and Titania) or outright knew otherwise

The absolute fucking worst thing about this whole Jane Thor debaucle is the sheer magnitude of people who go "Thor isn't a title!" then another goes "But what about Eric Masterson!" and then the other people start fucking parroting wrong ass info they half remember from skimming a wikipedia article.

Hey, all you faggots that call yourselves Thor fans because you watched the movies and read a few arcs of JMS' run, GO READ THE ERIC MASTERSON THOR RUN.

You want to see what "human picks up mjolnir and becomes Thor" done right is? There ya' go. It already exists and has existed for over 20 years. Stop talking out of your ass about a comic you haven't read just so you can try and save face in anonymous internet arguments.

It's a good run. There's literally no excuse to keep citing is as "proof" for your arguments one way or another when you clearly HAVEN'T. FUCKING. READ. IT.

The absolute smearing that Eric has gone through so people can justify their hate for Jane is disgusting.

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>>83507363

At the time I took this as Arron basically telling us that this was basically forced upon him

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>>83507374

Weren't Vikings actually pretty egalitarian? I don't buy the idea that asgard is a patriarchy with Odin as a misogynist.

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>>83506957
>Outside of a few panels, it's quality af.

>>83507395
Stop fucking posting images in the storytime you retard

>>83507385
>He tried keeping it a secret that he wasn't the real Thor
So what you're saying is that he called himself Thor... while pretending he was the original.
Whereas it's obvious that Jane-Thor isn't Thor.

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>>83507395

>>83507385
>Tl;DR
So yeah since when was Thor was a position of title?

>>83507363
>>83507390
>Some higher-up: We want Thor to be female for muh diversity but forget about the Thordis name!

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>>83507437

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>>83507460

>>83507409
They weren't egalitarian and they had very strong cultural values fixed on masculinity and femininity (calling a man a passive homosexual, or feminine, was about the worst insult possible in Viking cultures and could merit outlawry and/or murder) but women in Norse cultures had greater rights than women in many other European and really, worldwide cultures at the time.

In various Nordic countries and at various times women had free right of divorce, with a section of the wealth from marriage protected for them. Widowed woman could become powerful landowners and political players with the land they managed. And as head of the household a woman could have authority in making many decisions on how the home and land was managed that weren't regarded as "man's work". They didn't have too much of a hang-up on virginity either, in that they both practiced trial marriages and it was pretty common for widows and adult women with children to marry.

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>>83507490

>>83507385
At no point in your retarded sperg rage did you stop to consider that maybe the guy pretending to be Thor didn't call himself Thor because he had adopted it as a title, but because HE WAS PRETENDING TO BE THOR.

That's some impressive mental gymnastics just to justify you being angry over literally nothing.

>still Jason Aaron writing
And that's the problem. I'll take others' word that his creator owned work is good, but the guy's never written a good Marvel comic and that includes Wolverine, Schism, Wolverine and the X-Men, Amazing X-Men, Ghost Rider, PunisherMAX, Hulk, and Original Sin.

>>83507365
Yeah, if you don't mind being seen as childish and any opinion you have being ignored, you should totally keep using it.

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>>83507510

>>83507416
Those rules don't apply when someone does an impromptu storytime in a thread that didn't start as one.

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>>83506957
Because it's not promoting female characters, it's destroying male ones. It confines a new character who could've been popular on her own merits to the niche of an established character, which is bad for everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sezDvqAgNsc
According to Feminist dogma, if a male and female character with the same powers exist at the same time, such as Hulk and She-Hulk, that's a Ms. Male Character and therefore misogyny.
But if the exact same female character is introduced at the expense of killing or depowering the male character, that's perfectly fine and in fact any criticism of the female character is anti-Feminist.
The only difference is whether the male character is still around to compare her to and potentially be more popular due to seniority. They're saying women are not able to compete with men, so men must be destroyed.

>>83507523
>Not liking Ghost Rider and Thor
>Reading only capeshit

How could one person be so retarded?

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>>83507416
>storytime
This is not even a storytime thread you fucking retard.

>>83507525
If it makes you mad that's just a bonus.

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>>83507581

>>83507556
I have no interest in the subject matter of Scalped and Southern Bastards. I'm not going to read something I have no interest in just because it's ~indie~.

>>83507390
I wonder if we'll ever learn about Aaron's conversations with editorial after his NDA expires.

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>>83507641

>>83507533
>In the great northern wilds, a giant shaggy Beast howled at the sky
What does that one reference to?

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>>83507525
>>83507381
These posts reek of Tumblr.
Whor is easy to write and conveys perfectly the real value of the character, who is just bad feminist propaganda. For now there are no reasons to use any other title to refer to this run

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>>83507665

>>83507435
It was pretty obvious that Eric wasn't Thor either. And plenty of people in-universe assume that Jane Thor is just Thor after a magical gender-bend, which is hardly a new development for Gods.

>>83507686
Using Whor disregards Jane Foster as a character more than this actual run does IMO. It might have been appropriate pre-reveal, but it's not now if you're a true Thor fan.

>>83507680
Wendigo I think?

>>83507348
Thor's daughters were better FemThors than Jane

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>>83507691

>>83507686
I prefer the portmanteau explanation.
Horse Thor = Thorse
Clone Thor = Clor
Woman Thor = Whor

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>>83507729

>>83507518
I wouldn't call being angry over the fact that a bunch of autists who haven't read Eric Masterson's stint as Thor keep bringin up his stint as for with objectively wrong info "literally nothing."

Have you read his run? No? Then shut the fuck up and stop bringing him up in every Jane thread like you're some kind of expert.

The World Still Needs Heroes.

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>>83507753

>>83507739
>Horse Thor = Thorse
Why not just call him Bill or BRB?

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>>83507777
And that's it.

But sure, keep bitching about the feminism.

>>83507765
Either way you're wrong, so why even bring it up?

Jane was never pretending to be the 'real' Thor.

>>83507815
Because it's funny, take that stick out of your ass.

Oh boy, so first Odin had to job to Whor, now guess what, it's Hulk's turn?

>>83507822
I'm a feminist and I'm bitching about the psuedo-feminism that Jason Aaron used as a shield for sloppy writting.
>we still don't know what old nick fury whispered to thor to make him lose the hammer
>the myster of who is Whor was absolutely nothing
>that Scene with Titania
Shame of Aaron for using the pretext of feminism to hide shitty writing

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>>83507849
I don't care about Jane Thor. Jane Thor sucks. I care about people spreading misinformation about Eric's run and dragging his name through the mud and demeaning his time as Thor just so people can justify their hatred of Jane.

You know what would actually be legitimate justification? Go back and read Eric's run then compare how he did certain things better than Jane does. Compare Eric's first encounter with Titania/Absorbing Man to Jane's for example.

If someone was going around who had never read a Captain America comic and kept saying shit like "Steve didn't become Captain America until the 60s when they found the original captain america frozen in carbonite and he fused with him gaining his powers and carrying on his name" or some other blatantly wrong shit like that then everyone would jump down their throats and drive them off the site for being so wrong. But when it comes to Eric, everyone seems to be allowed to make up whatever the fuck they want about him and just throw it around as fact and I'm fucking sick of it.

Eric was the Best Thor. He was the everyman hero. He fought Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and attacked Annihilus with a fucking GOD GUN. He's more than just some tiny blip of trivia you pull out so you can bitch about SJWs.

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It should have been Sif to pick up the hammer.

She shouldn't be called Thor.

Stop with the whole "every male I fight is a literal patriarch."

>>83507822
Are you serious, anon? This is your defense of the current Thor run?

When your intention is to reference Norse myths and sagas and you fuck up and make things less interesting than the actual saga, you needn't have bothered. This reads like someone writing a bad God Butcher young Thor (it's incredible to me this is the same author) amidst another story where, by and large, nothing happens. The Roxxon stuff is generally dull as shit and fucking torture to go through issue after issue with - and did we seriously spend an issue on this development with it? This issue has so much wasted space! Loki is dreadful, both present and past - you can do villain Loki or you can do Gillen Loki but this doesn't do either of them well.

The lettering on the location boxes is particularly eye-catchingly atrocious too.

>>83508019
And next issue we get new Bodolfs and we get the BvS-tier references coming together to stop them, presumably. Wow this truly is the best Thor ever, move the fuck over Simonson.

>>83508011
>people spreading misinformation about Eric's run and dragging his name through the mud and demeaning his time as Thor
But nobody even did that. You're literally mad over nothing.

What happens if Odinson just traded Whor for the secret of his unworthiness with her real identity?

>>83508014
Sif should just keep having a comic, hammer or not.

>>83508048
>But Thunderstrike actually just had thor in him
The implication here is that Eric wasn't actually worthy and wasn't acting on his own volition, but was just a vessel for Thor. That he was never truly Thor.

>and thought he was thor for a while
At not point did he think he was Thor.

The former demeans his time as Thor and implies that he was a non-character, and the latter is outright wrong misinformation. Oh, but that's right, none of you "true Thor fans" have ever read any of his comics besides maybe a couple recent runs and bits and pieces of Simonson's so you wouldn't know that. But keep on getting mad about the current Thor run while actively ignoring the good Thor runs of the past. Because fuck reading comics unless they'll get you OUTRAGE'd, amirite?

>>83506957

She's not a character, just a propaganda tool.

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>>83508181
She's in Avengers Academy, she's fun, tough and she bullies Loki.

>>83508181
Journey into Mystery featuring Sif was a sales failure unfortunately.

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>>83508181
They tried that. No one bought it.

>>83508225
Their point still stands.
Jane is not pretending to be Thor, Eric did.

>>83508410
>mfw i bought the trades
>so hype
>dat art

I would triple dip if they ever tried again.

Kat did wonders.

So why'd Thor become unworthy?

>>83507739
It also makes for a great pun. idk why people think she's actually being called a whore.

>>83508827
Straight White Male

>>83508827
Nick Fury whispered something to him that the readers were not privy to.

>>83508887
still?
sorry about your almost trips

>>83508579
She goes by "Thor," just like Eric. How is he pretending to be Odinson any more than she is?

>>83508827
We still don't know. I have a feeling it will be swept under the rug once the original comes back.

>>83508900
That's correct. /co/ still has "What did Fury say to Thor?" threads to this day.

>>83508916
Are you fucking dense? Eric Masterson knew he wasn't the true Thor, whether he carried the title or not. FemThor has literally replaced "Odinson" as the true Thor. There's a huge difference

It's probably because even now she still manages to be less of a character than her what-if counterpart Thordis.

>>83509061
So then you agree with me and disagree with the person I quoted?

>>83506957
Writing sucks /thread

>>83509399
>/threading your own post

>>83507193
>godbutcher tier.
So still shit?

I think it's hilarious there have been so few threads about this Young Odinson vs Druid Hulk thing when the eariler Thor issues got plenty of threads

>>83507261
He was quite literally pretending to be the man known as Thor

>>83506957
I like the design but not the character

>>83509383
Your reading comprehension is shit, mate.

>>83507641
Why the fuck did Aaron think it was a good idea to make a viking Hulk

>>83508916
Are you retarded? The difference is clear. Eric was trying his hardest to pretend to be Thor. He didn't think he was actually the person named Thor.
This is not even remotely the same situation as Jane

>>83506957
Because it was a good idea executed poorly

Instead of having a cool female super hoer everything cool about her was only cool because the male thor did it first. She's sending the wrong message because she's only cool by riding on the coattails of an actually cool male superhero.

>>83507193
People would also bitch when some random dude picks up the hammer and is suddenly godbutcher tier.

>>83507849
>Jane was never pretending to be the 'real' Thor.
Is that why Bor was said to be Jane's grandfather, as in a BLOOD RELATIVE, in the [unsolicited opinions on Israel] scene?
That's as stupid as Miles Morales calling May Parker his real aunt by blood.

>>83509744
Well yeah, then how would we bitch about the SJWs ruining comics? That's the only reason anyone cares about Thor in the first place.

>>83510346
Jane is acting like she's the real Thor whereas Eric was just pretending that he was the real Thor.

>>83509744
Because it's shit, what's there to talk about

>>83506957
those pages of Titania and Absorbing Man talked me out of trying the book

>>83509744
>this blatant dishonesty
The last like five issues have gotten nearly the exact same amount of threads

>>83510061
This pretty much.
These comics arent telling readers 'hey look girls can be awesome to!' they're telling readers 'girls can never be successful on their own, the only way for a girl to ever match her male peers is if she imitates them and stands in their shadow'

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>>83506957
Because even though the hammer says that anyone worthy can possess the power of Thor, because a woman did it, /co/ will instantly sperg out because of the SJW, Tumblr and Feminist boogeymen.

As it is I think the concept of taking the overly macho male Thor and have a woman do his thing for a bit is a pretty good subversion of the character. Especially since we all fucking know its going to reset and Thor will be Thor again at some point.

I genuinely don't believe /co/ would be freaking out so much if Thor was replaced by a man. Anyone who says the reaction would be the same is fucking deluded. Which is not to say they'd like it, but they certainly wouldn't keep going on about it.

As for the execution though? its pretty awful. Nothing wrong with a bit of girl power here and there, given that comics are mostly male power fantasies but the comic itself lacks subtlety and beats you round the head with its "oh so progressive" feminist rhetoric.

>>83510889
Having the power of Thor isn't the same as being Thor

>>83506957
9/10 bait

>>83510889
>the hammer day anyone can be worthy
Jane didn't get the hammer because she was worthy, she got it because old nick fury whispered something to Thor. She didn't get this hammer on her own merits, she gotnit because sloppy writing.

>>83510889
>I genuinely don't believe /co/ would be freaking out so much if Thor was replaced by a man
Well yeah that's obvious. If Thor had handed off the hammer to a man, it wouldn't have gotten even half the marketing, and not looked like such a massive publicity stunt

>>83510921
But she isn't claiming to be Thor. She never said that all the things Thor did, she did, she's literally just using the name.

Which sort of makes sense given that she possesses the power of Thor, the hammer of Thor and is in effect the God of Thunder.

But even if she was just a gender swapped Thor, so fucking what?

>Being butmad that a character based on Norse mythology changed sex when that's literally what Loki used to do all the fucking time

>People actually hate women.

Literal faggots.

>>83510994
Note how I said the concept was pretty good, but the execution poor.

>>83511061
>But she isn't claiming to be Thor
Excuse me? She's doing exactly fucking that

>>83511061
I wish it was just Thor Odinson getting straight up gender-bent. Earth-X Thor is Best Thor.

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>>83511060
>Implying /co/ is in any way mad that its a marketing stunt rather than the fact that "LOL THOR WHOOPS I MEAN WHOR IS A WOMAN NOW XD"

>>83510889
It's shit writing not because a woman has the power of thor but because it's all very contrived.
>Thor lost his hammer because Nock fury said something to him.
>The writer never ecplains what he said
>Instead of being a Superhero with the power of thor she becomes a legacy hero
>this makes no sense because Thor isn't a costume identity that can be passed down
>the writer insist on intially keeping her identity a secret for no reason
>Jane Foster isn't even a good pick to be Thor

>>83511121
Not him, but is she saying that all the things Thor did she did? That she was literally him?

>>83511151
That's what I'm personally mad about.
I'm not quite retarded enough to speak for an entire group of anonymous posters though

>>83511168
Again, note how I said the concept was sound but the execution was poor.

Reading comprehension mate

>>83511107
Well the execution is obviously is what we're pissed at so trying to make this about sexism is just baiting isn't it?

>>83511178
No, but what's your point? She's still claiming to be Thor. She literally stole his name. As if being worthy of Mjolnir gives you that fucking right.

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>>83511179
If you're mad that Marvel or DC do story lines as publicity stunts then you might as well get mad at water being wet.

>>83511209
So you're trying to say that it's the idea of women in power that triggers even though you yourself admit the execution is shit?
Way to shitpost.

>>83507035
>and /co/ is not really the place with all the women-hating shit you get here

Sounds to me you're just a thin skinned faggot.

>>83511209
Note how it's the execution that people are pissed at it.

>>83511214
>Implying /co/ wasn't losing its shit before a single page was ever put to print and all they knew was the concept.
>Implying that isn't what people in this very thread are mad about right now

>>83511223
>Being mad about there being legacy characters in comic books.

Thor actually makes the most sense out of any hero the big two puts out outside of the Green Lanterns to be a legacy hero, given that anyone worthy enough can possess his power.

>>83511340
When Wally West became the Flash, he didn't change his name to Barry Allen.
Just because Thor went around being a superhero with his real name doesn't make his name up for grabs

>>83507533
Is that a fucking Ghost Rider?

>>83511178
She's acting like Thor's parents are her parents.

>>83511372
No, but he did call himself "The Flash" but everyone knew he wasn't the Barry Allen Flash.

Just like she's calling herself Thor, but everyone knows she isn't the male Thor.

>>83511518
...so? She's still using his actual name.

>>83511396
Yeah, that's the Bear Rider. He cameo'd in Aaron's Ghost Rider run.

>>83511546
So was Donald Blake and Eric Matterson

>>83511609
You know what the difference was with Eric? He knew it was not the right thing to do

>>83511372
>>83511518

So wait, are we being autistic about the fact that the writing isn't up to standards, the character isn't up to standards or that she should have chosen another name for everything to be OK? I like to get my shitposting straight

>>83511263
Sounds like you're a thick skinned bitch.

>>83511295
And it not being anyone who actually deserves the hammer or would go and pick it up.
I mean, since when does pity factor into worthiness?
Someone even specifically brought her over there to pick up that hammer, seeing as she is dying from fucking cancer and can hardly even walk as is!
The degreee of bending over backwards to make this happen is actually astounding.

To make this happen the following must happen:

- She has cancer and refuses any and all miracle treatment her role as envoy of Earth might grant her, completely ignoring the importance of her position for the wellbeing of humanity

- Nobody else who would be worthy touches the hammer first

- Some mysterious person convinces her that she needs to be taken to the blue area of the moon and pick up that hammer

- She continues to deny effective treatment while wielding the hammer and undergoing chemo, which is completely absurd because the hammer canonically purges the chemo out of her system every time, effectively signing her own death sentence while suffering for absolutely no reason

And that is just for her to be in her current position without taking the retarded politics in Asgard into account.

>>83511654
All three annoy me. Am I not allowed to engage in a discussion about one of those reasons in particular? Should I mention in every post I make that the writing is shit as well?

>>83511518
Except that they make a point of saying that Odinson can't call himself Thor anymore despite it being his actual name.

>Tfw you think a lady thor is a kickass idea
>Tfw Jane Foster Thor is executed in such a retarded way that it pisses you off
>Tfw you can't complain about it or you're a misogynist

Didn't this comic actually go out of its way to shit on the Lady Thor that actually existed too? Like
>This isn't just some LADY THOR, this is THE THOR

>>83511630
>He knew it was not the right thing to do
What? He did it to carry on Thor's legacy. He called himself Thor because "there must always be a Thor." Same reasoning behind Jane doing it. There was nothing stopping him from just using a different name besides Thor. He didn't go "I should stop calling myself Thor" until after Thor Odinson came back.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the CONCEPT of Jane becoming Thor. None. Anyone who has a problem with it is just a fucking casual getting triggered by a classic Thor plotline.

The problem is that the EXECUTION fucking sucks. This is a story that could have been done well and HAS been done well in the past. It's just not being done well this time around because Aaron is physically incapable of writing anything approaching nuance or subtlety.

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>>83510889

>A bloo bloo bloo, /co/ hates Whor because she's a woman, muh SJW kneejerk reaction

Yes, why on EARTH would we have a knee-jerk reaction to SJW elements in Whor? It's so elegant and subtle, you'd hardly notice it if you weren't looking for it.

Look, maybe people would've reacted negatively to a female Thor if it had been well-written regardless, but it's not. Blaming people for a predisposition to dislike something is a losing side to take when everything they said they'd dislike about an issue or event ends up coming true.

No one (in conventional society) likes a racist, but when niggers pointlessly go and wreck Baltimore, well, what are you going to do, tell the racists off for being right? The fault was only on the former until the latter decided to go and vindicate everything they ever said.

Same scenario here. You want a well-written female Thor character? Shit, maybe someone could've done it. They didn't. Shit, as far as writing good female characters? They aren't, across the board. And as a result, in doing so, comic book writers have successfully given everyone in their audience across the board all the reason and basis they need to pass up every superhero book with a female lead for the next ten years, easy.

Newton's Laws apply to more than physics, apparently. Writers decided to push an issue, and in turn, their readers will push away from the issues they write.

>>83511870
>Tfw you can't complain about it or you're a misogynist
>we have constant non-stop 24/7 threads bitching about it and no one ever gets called a misogynist for it
Stop the fucking victim complex bullshit. You're getting worse than the X-fags.

>>83511914
>Same reasoning behind Jane doing it
No it fucking isn't you dishonest piece of shit.
Eric was conflicted about pretending to be Thor. He kept up the charade because yeah, he thought it would be better in the long run. But he didn't LIKE doing it.

>>83511945

B-b-b-b-but tumblr!!!

>>83511914
>nothing wrong with concept of Jane as Thor
Except for the fact it's uncreative

>>83511942
>No one (in conventional society) likes a racist, but when niggers pointlessly go and wreck Baltimore, well, what are you going to do, tell the racists off for being right? The fault was only on the former until the latter decided to go and vindicate everything they ever said.
I feel this kind of damages your point.

>>83508410
>don't advertise it
>don't give it a new #1 despite it coming out during a near line wide relaunch
They didn't try hard enough.

>>83512260

I'm not apologizing.

You don't protest a court decision by fucking raiding storefronts. You just prove everything bad ever said about you right in doing so.

>>83506957
As someone who hasn't read any of this, am I mistaken in thinking that Jane becomes a literal mouthpiece for Mjolnir?

>>83512317
Uh, no?

>>83512316
Some people might argue that the people who riot are not actually the same people doing the protesting and are in fact a bunch of idiotic looters taking advantage of a tense situation, same way that refugees fleeing their homes and countries are not actually the same people who are blowing themselves up.

But that's not really relevant to this thread.

>>83512453
>Some people might argue that the people who riot are not actually the same people doing the protesting
Those people would be idiots

>>83512453
Fine, whatever- omit the example if it makes you feel better.

My point is that writers can hardly make a case for female leads in male roles by writing them poorly. Doing so merely makes real every misgiving and doubt every sexist skeptic ever had to say about the idea.

>>83512317
You could certainly interpret it that way.

>>83512317

She becomes a mouthpiece for Tumblr.

>>83508225
The person you're arguing with never claimed to be a "true thor fan".

Calm down.

>>83510889
>>83511061
>>83511209
>>83512260
>>83512453
New challenger here, fuck you, they had Thor Odinson talk about how Mjolnir likes Jane better and SHE IS BETTER, FASTER, STRONGER too.

And it is all in HER comics.

>>83507363
Those faces...

>>83507523
I liked Punisher MAX a lot

>People defending Jane Thor
You people are what's wrong with comics today. It was a publicity stunt to earn brownie points with SJW that sacrificed good writing in the process. And no she's not a legacy character, she only has the name Thor because it's a recognizable brand name. You want Jabe to be a hero? Fine. Just don't do this shit, be a competent writer

>>83507627
Fair enough taste is taste but I gotta say for anyone else reading the thread; Scalped is reeeeeally good

>>83506957
It really, really isn't. It's a decent concept being horribly written.
You can probably disregard any criticism that calls her "Whor", though.

>>83507341
>>>Odin going out of character and being a complete asshole

Odin always been an asshole, but here he's one in the wrong way.

>>almost everyone accepts someone else besides Thor weilding Mjolnir, from Asgard to Avengers, the few ones who don't are portrayed as evil

People accepting somebody else wielding Mjöllnir is perfectly fine: wielding it is proof itself of being worthy of it, after all.

>>83511942
>You want a well-written female Thor character? Shit, maybe someone could've done it.
Waid.

Jane-Thor is much better in ANADvengers.

>>83507712

>Using Whor disregards Jane Foster as a character more than this actual run does IMO.

The run itself does that well enough already. It's less Jane Foster and more an ideological movement puppeting her body around and using it like a bullhorn.

Jane-shit legacy character
Robbie Reyes- good legacy character

>>83512453
>same way Muslims are fleeing Muslims behaving like Muslims, and then continue to act like Muslims
ftfy

>>83506957

Because it shits on Thor.

Honestly, I don't get what is so complicated and difficult to understand about something so incredibly obvious and simple.

>>83511942
>And as a result, in doing so, comic book writers have successfully given everyone in their audience across the board all the reason and basis they need to pass up every superhero book with a female lead for the next ten years, easy.

By your logic, because of how shitty most male-fronted titles are they should all be ignored too

>>83507385
The difference, you long-winded cunt, is that Masterson never thought he was Thor, he was playing a role and admitted it when he was finally outed.

>>83514665
He's saying no one is objecting to her calling herself Thor, when they know for a fact this is not the same person, and they NEVER TRY TO INVESTIGATE. Can you imagine Tony Stark of all people just going "Oh well, this woman we've never seen before says she's Thor and wields all this insane power, that's good enough for me no need to find out who she is or if she might have an ulterior motive!" Tony Stark does not do that. Ever.

>>83516759
Most wouldn't investigate because she is WORTHY therefore trustworthy by definition.

She's a woman who wield the physical proof of being worthy. They have no reason to doubt her, at best they might be curious why she's calling herself Thor.


Of course, most characters don't know Mjollnir's rules on worthiness have changed...

>>83507270
I loved and still love All of Aaron's work with Ribic on Thor God of Thunder. But this is exactly right. It is night and day. Thor and Mighty Thor is fun if you can manage to just not think about how much PIS needs to occur for the story to "work." I have trouble doing that but I can see why some may think its a fun book.

>>83507518
Exactly write. Also, they worked the handing over of the hammer to Masterson plot line for a long time. Aaron just did it with a whisper and a few characterization hi-jinx.

>>83508410
I bought it. It was actually pretty good. And also kinda throws a wrinkle into Aaron's run, given that it shows Jane is trusted by Asgardians well enough that Sif would bring a sick Gaea to be treated by her. Jane could just say she has the hammer and Gaea would be like "Odin, give her a chance, calm down." He'd be in a double bind between Freya and Gaea. Even celestials were willing to listen to Gaea after they BTFO Odin in Destroyer

>>83506957

Because Thor is the name of a Person and not a title or mantle? That's like having a female Luke Cage with the same name.

Someone post that art of absorbing man talking with original Thor having the Titania conversation

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>>83515683

>By your logic, because of how shitty most (...) titles are, they should all be ignored too

...

yyyyyyyyyyyYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS,

>>83516874
You might have a point if worthiness of the hammer had EVER been some kind of trust test in the past, and not just, you know, some random standard determined by Odin, who rarely gives a shit about Earth.

>>83517655
It's both. Find something else to hitch about. There a hundred things to bitch about but the whole name/title thing is something only casuals focus on.

>Inb4 some casual gets triggered by the truth and bitchs about it anyways

Didn't Marvel promote Whor on THE FUCKING VIEW? If that's not pandering I don't know what is.

How can we know that Jane is even worthy if Mjolnir's enchantment has apparently changed on its own?

>>83516874
You know Deadpool had the hammer for a while right?

Maybe a little outside vetting is in order from time to time.

>>83519312
This. The second they promoted it on the view you should have known that it would literally never be good and would literally always be tumblr she pandering feminist propaganda bullshit literally why are women allowed to be? Its fucking bullshit and needs to be stopped to be quite honest family.

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>>83516759
>>83516874
Writers have always played fast and loose with the idea of making new "Thors". Since Erik Masterson's been brought up a lot ITT, it's worth noting that even his run (and the Thor run that accompanied it when Thor himself was restored) wasn't entirely consistent. At one point he wasn't Thor, then he was Thor, then he set the matter straight and was treated like Erik in Thor's body, etc. Even when Odin kicked Thor out, and brought back that red-headed chump to be HIS Thor, he flopped between calling him "Thor" and "Thor of the Crimson Locks".

The one constant was that other characters didn't have to act like drooling retards in order to facilitate drama over Erik. However they felt about him, they were generally allowed to express skepticism, and they did so in-character. Except for Aaron's new run, where the side of the angels accepts NuThor unconditionally because She's The Sheriff, and everyone else is just a pack of hidebound fucks.

>>83519031
Well, until now all the known Mjollnir-wielders were quite trustworthy people: Thor, Beta-Ray Bill, Erik Masterson, Dargo Ktor and Captain America. And Hero Loki.

So, yeah, it's good enough as a proof of trustworthiness.

Also, she did get OK'd by Thor himself, though in a horrible hamfisted way.

>>83519433
Copy made by Loki, IIRC.

I thought the most well executed element of her character was the fact when they played with the idea that's she's being Thor partly to escape the weight of how soon her cancer was going to kill her.

Sadly, I don't think they really did anything with that save for 1 or 2 ANAD avengers comics.

>>83519673
The hammer is broken, so we really shouldn't trust it. We don't know why the hammer is doing what its doing. Who in the world trusts a hammer?

And Odin put Beta Ray Bill to a test, even though he wanted Bill to beat Thor, he put Bill to a test. IIRC Odin was alternatively possesed or asleep through a big part of the Masterson story arc. Speaking of which, Heimdall had Odin force during a period of the time. Masterson didn't want to fight or hurt Odin, unlike Jane. And also, Heimdall trolled Thor. No way can Jane fight Odin. Aarons Thor v Odin fight was just lame.

>>83517655
But... Luke Cage is a title? His real name is Carl Lucas. Luke Cage is his superhero name.

>>83522014
Powerman is his hero name

>>83519673

>Well, until now all the known Mjollnir-wielders were quite trustworthy people: Thor, Beta-Ray Bill, Erik Masterson, Dargo Ktor and Captain America.
>Captain America

Well....

>>83508862
because this is /co/

>>83522231
>Cap was still worthy despite being a HYDRA agent
This should tell you one of two things:
>A: Being worthy, despite being a HYDRA agent, HAS to be unintentionally spoiling a second twist where Cap isn't actually evil
>B: The writers are hacks and being worthy shot that twist in the foot before it was even conceptualized

>>83506957
>jane foster is more worthy, than anybody else in the enteriety and extension of the whole marvel superheroe universe, to wield the mjolnir, just because shes battling cancer

this is just mahvel being a guilty white male

>>83522012
>Who in the world trusts a hammer?
Those who don't know the hammer has been acting abnormally.

Like, everybody except the Asgardians.

And hating this character isn't mysogininistic or sexist, its just hating a character FOR BEING FUCKING BLAND AS FUCK WITH NO PERSONALITY, WHICH ONLY REMARKABLE TRAIT IS BEING A WOMAN

SERIOUSLY, ask femishits whats good about the character, only thing that they will say is that shes a woman

>>83522651
there is also the fact he might have been a sleeper agent, so he was worthy back then and wouldn't be now.

Reminder that modern feminism is a joke where it's more about being a victim than accomplishing something. So yeah pretending it's still the 19 fucking 50s. And you know what's funny? It has become a four letter word Jane

>>83507850

Because as of Power Pack, Thorse is technically canon.

>>83507543
>They're saying women are not able to compete with men, so men must be destroyed.

Which is mentally ill behavior, since having men and women at war quite clearly is destructive to society.

>>83511667
That's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

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>quality

The only thing I care about is learning what made Thor "Unworthy"

Because I can't imagine it was good enough to justify doing this.

>>83525828
There is so much wrong with this page I want to have a brain aneurysm. NOBODY TALKS LIKE THAT

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>>83525828

So when is this going to be retconned and forgotten?

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>>83506957
>Feminazi Progressive SJW propaganda.
>Quality.
Pick one, retard.

>>83525828
oh my god

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>>83525828
im actually triggered, disgusting.

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>>83525828
Holy hell...

>"You certainly taste like I would imagine a Captain America to taste."
>"You taste like... ...Like a goddess."

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>>83526261
Ok one, just because you point out how fucking stupid it is doesnt magically hand wave it away or make it witty. Also once again IGN proves just how retarded they are
>>83526299
>Four letter word
Except it might as well be one thanks to it being modernized into the joke that it is

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>>83526427
to>>83525426
Gee its almost like a complete moron wrote this!

Someone post the one with Whor flying saying its great she has cancer or some shit like that

>>83526433
It's been a "joke" since the fucking 60's.

>>83506957
I haven't tried Vision yet but everything Marvel that /co/ has recommended as good and I've read in the last couple of years of publication has been embarassingly bad.
You really can't call Marvel readers too hard to please at this point, they'll praise anything that's not agressively awful. And from what I've seen Jane Thor is agressively awful.

>>83525828
That's Waid, but ok. Keep being retarded.

>>83526707
All New Ghost Rider wasnt bad
At least I thought so....

>>83507247
1st panel is kinda cool

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>>83526261
>>83526299
>>83526427
I don't even know where to start here.

>>83526707
>aggressively awful
anon I want to use this phrase it's perfect.

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>>83526788
I really fucking hate how Whor switches between "American" English, and "Fakespearean" English. PICK ONE, FOR FUCK SAKES! Also, if they wanted to make a "female Thor", just have Loki cast a curse on him and turn him into a chick. Stop using that stupid as fuck "the hammer magically turns people into Thor somehow, while Thor is someone else entirely but not "Thor"".

>>83525828
Jesus that's bad. I understand the intent but the execution is just so clumsy.

>>83506957
because if it fits, I sits

>>83527001
See the thing is that - per this very comic - whenever other people get the hammer they get the POWER of Thor, but they're not Thor himself. They don't take the man's name, such that he isn't allowed to use it anymore himself.

Thor basically lost his name for a reason that is still not explained, and anyone who has a problem with that is a sexist pig.

I'm just waiting till Thor gets his hammer back. Kinda like how I waited till spock gave peter his body back. Can you imagine the shitstorm that would bring.

>>83507035
You realize it's like that because he's shitting on white feminists right?
The book is a pisstake

>>83526760
Haven't read that. I should note I liked Superior Foes, but who didn't, it was actually a good book.

>>83527113
No because the "fans" have already moved on to the next flavor of the month

>>83527151
>he's only pretending to be retarded
>it's just that nobody gets it
>and people keep buying the book thinking it's genuine
If that's the case he both the most subtle and inept troll ever.

>>83527188
I feel like a broken record but Whor is still the best selling female lead ongoing Marvel comic.

>>83527160
You should check it out. Robbie doesnt shit on the previous Riders for one thing

>>83527273
I dont think thats saying much.

>>83527273
What about Ms Marvel?

>>83527308
GR never had much apppeal to me to begin wih.

>>83527404
She's about at #3 after Spider-Gwen.

>>83507409
yes and no. ancient european and mesopotamian cultures rolled with different standards. they were pretty tight on gender roles and much like the greek they had radically different gender roles compared to modern cultures. women who where brave enough would try their hand on battle and nobody would mind (at least in defense of their homeland, not so sure about being part of an army where men became desperate about certain things, not to mention women are expected to have children by their mid 20s).

going against gender roles was a big deal on both genders, like >>83507502 said, getting accused of being passive was grounds for dueling to the death (they even had laws for it) and other unmanly or unwomanly things where heavily shunned. (you could probably say medieval norse hated crossdressers)

>>83525828
Other than this page, I actually felt like this issue was the closest they ever were to getting her right.

She was a smash-happy, free love, hard drinking, ball of energy because she of how she was constantly aware of her cancer and how short her lifespan was.

>>83519530
>she's the sheriff
i sure am glad she's frozen in there and that we're out here

>>83527962
I thought Gweenpool was cute and people were buying her book.

I feel kind of sad about that now. Maybe I should buy another copy of her.

>>83506957
Jason Aaron is a retard

>>83529303
She's still very new, Anon. Only two issues, not counting the #0 which is basically a Howard the Duck back issue.

>>83527273
But how? What is the appeal?

>>83529425
Thor

>>83529460
Thor is barely in the book, he's been replaced by Whor.

>>83506957
Even Dr Strange has better writing, mostly cause there's more breathing room for the narrative to do weird magic shit compared to GRRRL POWER PLEASE FORGIVE MY WHITE MALENESS

Born Again Vaginas.

What if Nick Fury told Thor that Jane was terminally ill? What if this whole unworthiness thing is just an act and Thor is using Mjolnir to extend Jane's life? It's already shown in this run that Odin's enchantment on the hammer has strengthened or advanced beyond Odin himself. Maybe after all this time the one to decide who is worthy of Thor's strength is Thor. And he has chosen Jane.

>>83531100
It's a nice idea but the hammer has the magic to heal without leaving it laying around and hoping that Jane is going to test her worthy.
Plus, ANY Thor's not the kind of god to abandon a battle to deal with a problem that can wait a day or two.

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>>83506957
>WHY?
Because half of these assholes don't even realize that they're using /co/ to bash a comic they don't even read all because they want to hurt IRL womankind as a gender.
And that other half just want to troll and hate and shit all over something because that's the sum total of who and what they are.

The actual Thor fans, who have legit issues with a title character being replaced, but still being in the comic, are following the story with an anxiety about the ultimate fate of Thor Odinson, something almost never mentioned in these threads.

>>83531220
Which is why it's awfully convenient Mjolnir came to Jane in the first place and leads me to believe it's all an act Thor is putting on. Who knows how long Jane had left before Mjolnir came? "A day or two" to an immortal is more like minutes. Seconds even. Besides, Thor knows he still has the strength to fight without his Hammer. Why else would he come rolling up rallying the lady squad to fight The Destroyer when Odin sicced it on her?
Jane needs the power more than Thor does right now. And the way she's using it, The God of Thunder has not left the battle. It's a win-win.

>>83531416
>Im reading it in the vain hope something interesting happens even the the main character of the book is written like shit
Good to know you have standards.

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>>83525828
Goddamn that's shitty writing.

>>83506957
>re-gendering characters
absolute cancer, anyone defending this should be fucking ashamed

I was a fool to even scroll down the first page of this shithole

Even if the writing is shit, I actually still kinda like her design.

Whor has the potential to be good, despite it currently being squandered

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>>83506957
>quality

>Jane Foster takes the hammer (how? It was on the fucking moon).
>Somehow she's better or at least at the same level as a figher as Thor, who has thousands of years of practice.
>The explaination is pretty much "she saw him using it every now and then and learned", some Taskmaster-level bullshit.
>She's also "more worthy" than him, because she's dying, apparently. Thor trew away his own eyes, hanged himself to a fucking tree and destroyed the thread of Fate (prepared to die in the process) to free his own people from Those Who Sit Above in Shadow, but apparently that's nothing compared to a terminal illness.
>She's also more worthy even if she often behaves like an absolute cunt (see the issue with Cho-Hulk).
>Being more worthy gives her more powers.
>She takes his personal name because stupid reasons, and now Thor goes around being called by his family name.
>She speaks like him unironically (again, hammer bullshit). This somehow did not work with Eric Masterson but it does with her (like the fighting ability).
>All the feminist crap (seriously? Titania saying Grrrl Power stuff? Titania?).
>The author behaving like the manchild idiot he is and straw-manning everyone who doesn't like what he did
>Somehow Odin, a god that always had an all-female squad to protect him, that even in the original folclore didn't give a fuck about gender roles (see the magic thing), and even when being a gigantic asshole always had a reason for it's behaviour, now it's a mysoginistic idiot.
>""""""Thor"""""" can now fight seriously against him, and even gain the upper hand for some time.

>quality

Seriously, Whor it's fucking awful.

>>83531889
You didn't read the comics, your (big surprise) ignorance of the story events was the proof of that.
So stop shitposting /co/ before you get a righteous ban for trolling.

>>83531968
Tell me where I was wrong, then, or shut up.

>>83531968
Nice shitpost faggot. How about a good argument next time?

>>83531531
I don't, I really don't. That's why I paid the nickel to fuck your mother and jizz on your dad's smiling cocksucker face.
They both knew how to take it like a man. So did the apple fall far from the whore tree?

>>83532064
You're trying too hard

Whor is a boring character. Everyone is always fawning all over her, and nothing she does is wrong, everything is just puppies and rainbows. It's shallow bullshit.

>>83531989
You don't know ? ? ?
Well, you ARE dumb... Still, I don't care to spend one second teaching you how to troll with an understanding of the subject matter.
Spend the time and money to learn something on your own, you illiterate bitching cocksucker.

>>83532044
Was this a good enough argument to give you that shitfaced troll woody?

>>83532108
That's what your daddy said when I rammed his ass all sweet night long, but I wanted my money's worth.

>>83531416

All that tells me is that the Thor fans are willfully suffering through reading a set of stories that gave them the finger from the first issue just to see what happens to the original.

Yeah, suddenly those who are mocking the comic but aren't buying them are no longer the sad ones.

That's like gettng mad at those who mock the Transformers movies without going to the theaters to watch them while defending those who willingly pay Michael Bay to sit through their crap.

I like her when she's playing off of the Avengers. Her interactions with Sam and Kamala can be pretty good.

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>>83532220
>Cant explain why Jane Thor is good
>Cant spare the time to explain to multiple anons his opinion but has plenty of time to insult them in a childlike manner spewing autism
1/10, you need to be 18 to post here, kys, etc. You suck at shitposting

>>83532237
> I NEEEED everyone to know I don't read this comic! It's SOOOOOO important to me!

Well, yeah. Obviously the people who are defending the merits of a story they enjoy against someone like you who is motivated to come onto /co/ and post shit (or "shitpost", if you will) about a comic you don't read because of your entirely *valid* reasons as previously described...
Do you see where I'm going here? No? That's sad...

>>83532398

I'm more referring to those who clearly hate it yet STILL continues to buy the comics regardless just because of supposed merits. If you like said comics, good for you. If you don't like them yet pirate them, good also. You're not supporting their shit. However, if you're still buying them despite hating them, why do you bother?

>>83532306
It's good because it entertains it's readers.
Dur.
I know this is an irrefutable fact because there's always people offended by your type of constant shit-threads and shitposting, which is of course why you do that in the first place, that, and to keep your mind off of your impotence problem. Amiright?

>>83532398
>>83532484

Sell let's see. The people who don't like it have given good reasons why it's bad.

You on the other hand have not given any good reason why you like the comic and then insult those who don't like the comic as "plebs who didn't read it" yet expect us to treat you seriously and not as a run of the mill shitposter.

Okay, I'll bite. If we didn't read the comic, explain what we have been missing out then?

>>83531416
>with an anxiety about the ultimate fate of Thor Odinson
So you're retarded? Thor will be back to being Thor by the time the next Thor film comes out, at the latest. There's absolutely nothing to worry about on that front

>>83532484
>Its fun
Well that certainly shut me up. Great criticism. Definitely shows you yourself read the thing. Dumbass

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>>83532484
>It's good because it entertains it's readers.
Kek. I guess Michael Bay's movies are artistic masterpiecies, then.

>>83532464
>I NEEEEEED everyone to not like what I don't like! Don't enjoy it people, it's SOOOOOOOO important to MEEEEEEEE that you don't enjoy this comic that I don't read!

At what point do you realise that I'm mocking your failures not only in this thread but also as a "human being"?
This has never been a debate, this isn't even an argument, to prove it: You WIN! see how important that is? To anyone?
This is your intervention, you are that sad and pathetic. WAKE UP.
As little as you value the Thor(or Whor, or fucking Door) comic, you yourself are devoting yourself -AS A PERSON- to the aftermath and response to that thing that has so little value to you. You are less than the echo of a silly story.
That is the gauge of your self-respect, for everyone to see.
I'm bored with you now. Don't waste the next Thor thread with your presence, those fans deserve my respect and I care about them and want them to have a voice for their opinions un-inturupted by your self-image issues.

>>83508249
And she plays fucking dancing video games.

>Can make Mjolnir do things Odinson cannot, for no reason

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>>83532682
>He's devoting himself by saying something that is shit is shit.
>On a board made to discuss comics
>On a thread asking why people think Whor is shit
If you don't like people saying what they don't like, kys. No hugboxes and safe spaces here. You tumblr subhumans do not deserve any mercy.

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>>83507193

Dude, i fapped to FemLoki. If Thor had magically become a woman, i'd be buying the book every month and fapping like mad. But the book is shit.

I support the idea of all the male heroes turning into hot women.

>>83506957

>af

Millenial detected. Opinion discarded.

>>83532744
>make
Mjolnir does what it likes.

>>83532795
>being middle aged and still arguing about comics on the internet

>>83532833
No, the Absorbing Man issue clearly shows her intentionally doing some stuff the real Thor could not do.

>>83532858
>Being under 18 on 4chan.

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>>83507712

Wait, didn't Jane Foster leave her husband and kids to chase around Thor?

>>83506957
You say that like Ribic wasn't obviously the main draw.

>>83532900
Jane Foster is a horrible person

>>83510889

You say that but people loved FemLoki.

What now, smart-pants?

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>>83532865
yeah but back then Mjolnir was still limited by Odin's enchantments.

actually my theory is that what Fury whispered wasn't some profound truth, but a spell to cause Mjolnir to grow and evolve, that he learned thanks to his new position as Watcher. so Thor didn't actually become unworthy, Mjolnir just decided it needed a more disposable handler to allu akbar the serpent and fix Odin

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>>83511124

THIS.

If Thor had become a woman NOBODY would complain about the comic or call her WHOR. Specially if the book was well-written. We would follow the adventures of the cute magically transformed Female Thor Odinson as he battled to learn to deal with the daily trials of being woman and pursue the cure for the spell Loki placed on him.

Heck, we would even ship him with all the Avengers.

>>83507739
Should not Horse Thor, following the logic of the other two portmanteaus, be Hor?

>>83533074

Ah but you see, that actually sounds entertaining and fun. The creators were more interested in making a story that's preachy and controversial instead. (not that Thor turning into a woman isn't controversial, but it's more motivated for laughs than anything.)

>>83533280
at the same time, you probably would get still get a lot of shitposters up in arms because 'they turned thor into a tranny' no matter what anyone said

>>83533280

I think the biggest problem i have with the book is that no matter how boring or stupid Jane Foster is as a character - where are her kids? She's a mother. - if they hadn't made Thor Odinson unworthy, hadn't made stop using his "Thor" name in shame, hadn't made him feel miserable as if he had been castraded and hadn't turned Odin into a huge cunt, then i wouldn't have hated it.

The problem is that the comic shat all over the original Thor for no goddamn reason. Fans will always get annoyed by that. Look at what happened to Hal Jordan when decided to introduce Kyle Rayner. Hal's fans became so bitter they started a terrorist group.

>>83533352

Explain Femloki.

>>83533370
>Hal's fans became so bitter they started a terrorist group.
wait wwhat

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>>83533383
Loki wasn't a terribly masculine character to begin with, and even then I've still seen the occasional person bitching about him swapping between male and female at the end of Agents of Asgard

>>83533401

Look up HEAT. The guys would send mails filled with Anthrax to DC comics and the homes of edtors and writers working on the new Green Lantern book.

>>83507035
This, essentially.

It's a neat idea, and I especially like the idea of Earth people being confused while Odin is like "I didn't authorize this, what the fuck", but the feminist message is so shoehorned it hurts.

That whole fight with Absorbing Man was just the most insulting dreck ever.

They wanted to score diversity bux with a potentially neat idea, but unlike Kamala or Miles or Sam, they didn't back it up with good writing.

It won't even be relevant five years from now, let alone remembered. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if Thor is conveniently worthy once again when Ragnarok is coming out.

>>83533415

>then I've still seen the occasional person bitching about him swapping between male and female at the end of Agents of Asgard

Those probably were casuals that started to read the book thanks to movies and felt annoyed that they couldn't masturbate to their pretty boy Loki.

>>83533423
jesus christ

>>83516874
A dude rolls up to Avengers Tower in an Iron Man suit.
"Hello," he says, "I am Iron Man."

Tony Stark is sitting right over there, so it's clearly not him in the suit.
This is a little curious, but only friends of Tony Stark could have anything similar to an Iron Man suit! Best not to question anything or ask who they really are, as that's all the proof that is required.

>>83533423
>Hal Jordan fans are this cancerous
Honestly not surprised.

>>83533447

And this was before the whole SJW pandemonium. So the real problem isn't that the new Thor is a woman, but that she's seen as a usurper and the comic is terrible.

Here's the thing: you can't shit on the original or predecessor when you introduce a new replacement. Fans are going to hate it for obvious reasons. Jane Foster Thor or Green Lantern Kyle Rayner are bad examples of this.


If you're going to kill the original or predecessor to introduce a new replacement, it helps if the replacement was an old character. Miles Morales is a bad example of this. For example nobody complained when Wally West replaced Barry Allen as the Flash or Dick Grayson replaced Bruce Wayne as the Batman.

>>83510889
>/co/ will instantly sperg out because of the SJW, Tumblr and Feminist boogeymen.
There's a fight where a villain literally turns herself in because "IT MUST BE SO HARD TO BE A FEMALE SUPERHERO IN TODAY'S PATRIARCHAL WORLD, GIRL POWER, AM I RIGHT?", then advocates physically abusing and incarcerating her boyfriend because "HE GETS A WANDERING EYE IF HE'S ON THE OUTSIDE FOR TOO LONG, AM I RIGHT SISTER?"

It reads like one of those comic strips creepy homeless peddlers try to sell you where a young boy is rescued from the evils of homosexuality by giving himself to the light of Jesus.

If the blatant political message was forced in any more ham-handedly, they'd have to sell a special kosher variant. It's an interesting idea, having a cancer-ridden Jane Foster take up the mantel while Thor sorts his shit out (especially since OG Thor was a doctor with a gimp leg), but they ruined a cool concept by trying to make an idiotic statement about feminism and GRRL power at every opportunity.

Notice how people like Kamala Kahn because she's a fun, likable character, not because she lectures whitey on the virtues of Allah and Muhammad (praise be unto him) at every given opportunity.

You can have a character be empowering and have a story that sells a moral or message, but you need to put the emphasis on the quality of the writing first.

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>>83525426
>There are people who are okay with Marvel's version, but will say this is offensive

>>83525828
>Hey, what if our two legacy characters ended up in a romance because they both get how it feels to be constantly compared to their predecessors?
>Ha, that's actually pretty cute! Good character development too!
>Glad you think so, because I'm going to escalate their entire relationship WITHIN ONE PAGE! WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY PANELS TO WORK WITH, THEY HAVE TO MAKE OUT NOW. DIVERSITY DIVERSITY, GIVE US YOUR MONEY PLEASE.

>>83526707
Drax is fun.
It's not great, but it's really fun.
Like Conan The Barbarian in space with wrestling.

>>83531100
That's actually a really sweet idea.
I bet you that's not what's gonna happen at all.

>>83506957
>It's still Jason Aaron writing Thor.
Jason Aaron is the worst.

>>83507035

Boom. It's really not fun to read and the author is obviously butthurt people don't like her.

Gee I wonder why

>>83533415
He was better as chick with twice the height and breasts.

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>>83534040
and five times the forehead

>>83506957
>>83507035

I just don't like the half assed way they went about making Thor unworthy then Jane Foster is magically worthy.

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>>83534077
How did Sissi from Code Lyoko became Loki?

>>83533496
>r Green Lantern Kyle Rayner are bad examples of this.
At least Kyle had good stories from the start

>>83533496
>For example nobody complained when Wally West replaced Barry Allen as the Flash or Dick Grayson replaced Bruce Wayne as the Batman.
Or Cap Falcon. Really, his only problem was happening while already so many other characters were getting race\genderswapped.

>>83508887
I have the best idea of what Nick Fury whispered to make him lose the hammer


It was a simple phrase


I AM GROOT

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>>83523206
>Modern feminism is a joke, its about being a victim

No, its about changing attitudes and perceptions of women. Women in the media are often portrayed as incompetent, not as good as men at certain tasks and in need of a man to save them/sort out their problems.

This has a damaging effect on how women see themselves and what they can achieve or aspire to.

If you think it doesn't then you're literally saying propaganda doesn't work

Not that I'm saying the depiction of women is in its self propaganda, more that it affects peoples thoughts and beliefs about things in a similar way

I'm no virulent feminist, it doesn't really bother or effect me in any great way, but I can see their point in this regard.

>Inb4 Tumblr!

One of the main criticisms of Tumblr is that its a hugbox that refuses to listen to ideas that run contrary to what the group mind thinks. If you get triggered by someone having vastly different thoughts and ideas to you on a given subject to the point where you want to turn 4chan into your own personal hugbox, you are literally as bad as them.

>>83534990
>Women in the media are often portrayed as incompetent, not as good as men at certain tasks and in need of a man to save them/sort out their problems
Are you posting from the 50s?

>>83535009
Name me a female lead in an action movie that isn't Ripley or Sarah Connor.

If you name one that is recent, that's because attitudes are changing, which is a positive thing over all, but don't pretend like it doesn't often get met with cries of SJW pandering.

>>83535039
Are you one of those idiots who believes that at least 50% of action films should have a female lead?

>>83506957
It triggers me that a female could be on the same level as a male.