How's Your Webcomic? /hyw/ #280

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.

>*-We also got a DISCORD CHAT going on, ask for an invite in the thread.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

It feels good to be at 20 and have good body, healthy social life, high paying job, etc. and still be a better artist than many people in this hugbox.

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Reminder to all amateur comic makers: No matter how much you may cringe at your first drafts, you will never be Ken "Devil Dung" Penders

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got page 3 done. working on page 4.

rocks for days.... so many god damn rocks

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Changed eyes again after previous comments. Hope its fixed now.

>>83451739
I want to pet the eeldog.

>>83451631
>>83451680

>>83451739
man, this is looking sweet!

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>"Hey /hyw/ what do you think of my main character?"
>It's a brown girl

>>83451739
just a tiiiny bit further apart eyes in panel 2, man. i'm just sayin.
glad you went back to the Pico eyes in the last panel, those are fun.

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Ok, my third at attempt, and like they say, I think this one is the charm.

Which did you guys like? The first, second, or third?

>>83451770
Show me three brown girl MCs in all of /hyw/.

>>83451817
The first is the best but this is better than the second. And I'm not messing with you, I'm angry that these people talked you out of the classic sun faces.

>>83451862
i am also not messing with you and i'm glad the smileys are back. they're just cute. and smiley sun loincloth is a nice compromise with the big ol' sun symbol.
are those Ds all over her wings?

>>83451862
Yeah, but he was right on the point of the garters, red shoes and multicolored socks, they looked a little too childish/slutty and I want her to seem pure, but still an adult at the same time.

>>83451898
Yes, for the Darke name, her hair clip is also a D, and there's one on her chest plate.

The Darke family, no matter how great they are, are admittedly a little full of them selves.

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>>83451770
>their love interest is a white male

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>>83451817
By "covering the rear and sides", I was thinking of something open in the front, rather than exposing one leg.
The smiley faces still look ridiculous, which is completely at odds with what you said you wanted her to look like.

>>83451964
I thought they were supposed to be sideways smileys. Try making it look more like calligraphy.

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Change the eyes a bit.

>>83452061
shit even i couldnt keep that consistent on someone
but i do think the Ds on the wings look kinda dumb, like badly drawn holes

>>83451630
You come of as a very mediocre person lol

>>83451630
post work :^)

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Now, it's time for Jack's dad, one of the other heroes that were on the first West Tree team.

He's kinda moody, alcoholic, full of himself, and Mexican.

>>83452209
Alright, I'll get rid of the D's on her wings and just do something else.

>>83452324
You should probably get rid of or simplify the pattern on the poncho if you're having this much trouble keeping it straight.

>>83452356
Ok, I can do that.

>>83452324
designing people's parents is fun. this is not exactly what i expected of the mann patriarch, but it works.
yeah the thing is the Ds would only face the right way if her wings were in that ONE position, so... probably best to leave those out yeah.
>>83452392
i would suggest a simple sine wave. it'll be good practicing keeping that consistent

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>>83452324
>mexican

i demand you to change your racist stereotypes into a more accurate representation of my people like pic related


just kidding, actually we don't give a fuck about stereotypes, but that kind of poncho looks more Inca than mexican and the hat feels a bit out of place, it doesn't look like he is wearing it, it just looks like it is floating on top of his head

>>83427090
>>83427061

Sorry for the late reply.

I going to add "blah, blah, blah" and foreshadow for Lucky lotus secret technique.

>>83452615
there's just something about robot arms and ponchos and often eyepatches that go together. i can't think of where i first saw it but i've seen it in a few anime, and i have to assume dewd saw one of those too. unless it's another neat coincidence.

>>83452615
Well, I wanted him to look like a cowboy, but I'll remember to lower the hat.
>>83452800
I just chose the robot arm and the eyepatch because they were so cliche, and I wanted to make him look as edgy as possible while still looking like somewhat of a hero.

Since these guys were some of the first heroes, I tried to make them look a little cliche.

>>83451770
I actually can't think of any besides the recent moebius-esque one
Sisters, Miss Melee, Carrion Girls, Green Knight... all not only white girls but PALE ones as that

>>83452878
yeah that makes sense.
>had they not invented nuance yet back then?
>you whippersnappers
etc

>>83452944
Annabeth is semi-brown.

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>>83452324
>>83452878
Nice Maccree bootleg you got there. Frog girl, Fluttershy and now this? Stop stealing.

>>83452983
huh, who's that guy? and how old is the thing he's from? i'm trying to piece together now where this trope came from. becaus ei've seen a LOT of robot-armed poncho'd cowboys but i'm having trouble thinking of specific examples outside of mahoromatic's epilogue. and some of them definitely had eyepatches.

>>83452964
Annabeth also isn't a girl.

>>83453033
It's just The Man With No Name but a cyborg. Not exactly a super original concept. Wouldn't surprise me if a bunch of different people came up with it independent of each other.

>>83452983
Well, as I said before, I took all things from media that are SUPER COOL AND EDGY BRO, these days, mixed with a little bit of mexican.

Also, that looks more like a cape than a poncho.

>>83452944
There's that one with the hook-nosed British brown nerd.

>>83453033
>not knowing what Overwatch is

About the cyborg cowboy thing, what about Galaxy Rangers? https://youtu.be/n8sOc2T_Ckc

>>83453474
>Memewatch
Literally TF for SJWs.
Only thing redeemable about it is all the porn Blizzard is desperately trying to censor.

>>83453474
you're telling me that beautiful art / design comes from a recent game? maybe japan's starting to turn back around. in any case though there's no way that's the origin of it then. i've been seeing these fuckers in anime forever
>galaxy rangers
slightly different aesthetic there. i really think there is some grungy gritty 80s anime that started this specific look, and then the likes of Wild ARMs and then later Trigun and shit took from that. specifically the red poncho, the metal arm, some kind of a hat.. i think it's gotta have some specific origin.
then again japan is so shameless about ripping characters off that it's hard to pinpoint the origin sometimes. like, was tuxedo mask really the first masked tuxedo guy? seemed like everybody in the 90s had one.
>>83453114
nah pretty sure that's a poncho.

>>83453547
If you are some sort of autistic neckbeard, maybe. If you actually play this shit though you know it's a great game, and a great celebration of shooters in general. It borrows elements from TF, but its bulk borrows from other 90's shooters, and it even has a "modern shooter" hero, so in the end it isn't much like TF, it's its own thing.
Also, despite the diverse cast borderline SJW pandering, there's only one gross character in the whole cast of 21 heroes, so stop being triggered by brown characters, faggot.

>>83453547
nice bait.

>>83454132
>there's only one gross character in the whole cast of 21 heroes

I agree. I don't know why, but Roadhog being a fatass looks fine, but it's disgusting on Mei. I guess because Roadhog also has buff as fuck arms, so it's not like he's just a sedentary fatass like Mei.

>>83454132
in any case tf2 is nothing but gross people, so isnt that 'tumblr' or whatever?

>>83454132
It's kinda funny that people fell for the 'Overwatch is diverse' meme. All but one, maybe 2, of the girls deviate from the standard sexy girl, whereas the males are anything from midgets, lanklets, fatasses, robots, gorillas, edgelords, etc. It seems like something Tumblr would get triggered by if anything.

>>83454567
triggerdom is contagious. just like how whining-about-racism stimulated a lot more actual racism in places where a state of none had been achieved.

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>>83454251
Well, Roadhog is a gigantic man so there's that. But to be honest he grosses me out much more than Mei. Mei is a mess, but she is a cool mess. Roadhog tho, at least put on a shirt you fat fuck.
Anyway, the best skin in the game is the one who covers Zarya from head to toe. I will finally be able to play her.

>>83454306
Nope, it's all cis white male so tumblr hates them. Also they aren't really gross. Not even Heavy, who is a fat guy is a gross fat guy like Roadhog, he has more of a strongman type body

>>83454567
Overwatch cast is diverse, but tumblr doesn't think it is. They still complain saying the same shit you just said.

>>83454643
youd think tumblr would appreciate things like tf2 or the incredibles doing to white people what artists have done to the negros and the chinese and everyone else, exaggerating their features to a grotesque extent

>>83451630
Man, you have all those things going for you, yet you're triggered by hugboxes. How sad. I'd offer you a hug, but that might offend :)

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>>83454251
Is this really considered fat

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Man, the one downside to all this buffer I'm building is how I need to worry a lot more about spoiling people.
Ah well.
Does this color balance seem about right for a bright-but-overcast day?

>>83455798
For a girl, yes.

>>83455798
reminds me of Metal Slug

>>83455858
i'm getting overcast, i'm getting saturated, i'm not exactly getting 'bright' like a day when the sky is blazing white, which is what i assume you mean. pretty close though, i'd say close enough
nobody but you makes me think of this stuff!

>>83455798

Well, it's pretty stylized - she's got chubby-girl face, but a flat stomach.
Also that one oversized forearm is really bothering me. Is this official art?

>>83456003
I think it's because that arm is more bent than the other. My mom has roughly that build and her forearms bulge up to popeye size when the angle of elbow-bend drops below 15 degrees

>>83456003
Yes, it's in game

>>83455798

why you you repost this picture but with a fucked up resolution? >>83454643

Yes, she has an unrealistic flat stomach, but she is still fat. Her in game model is also clearly fatter than this, even though she hides it with a coat.

>>83456003
It's official, it's a concept art, and the thingy on the left of the messed up picture labeled "casual" is an in game spray.

Question about writing. How do you do a dramatic/tragic twist in a story that is mostly comedy, without it sucking?

>>83456360
Totally depends on your tone. Don't repeat the mistake of loss.jpg and shift a gag-a-day into a drama. What are some specifics?

>>83456360
Make it dramatic/tragic. Don't soften it with a character acknowledging how tragic it is, or having someone make a shitty/sarcastic wisecrack.

There's nothing wrong with drama in comedy if it's not too out of place or edgy, or just badly written in general.

>>83456360
I don't know, but read Loss and then read the raccoon arc of Calvin and Hobbes for examples of how not to do it and how to do it right.

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>>83456360
Depends on the situation. Usually you should either very gradually fade into drama with sparse comedy as opposed to the inverse. OR hint that something serious is going down but don't have a realization or reveal until it's least expected so it's really shocking. A good example is this song from Mulan. We know these people are soldiers but all we've seen them do is sing and make jokes so whenever they come across the dead village they failed to defend it's very jarring and emotional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tOXEPNvNB8

What you DON'T want is something that does shallow jokes and has no ongoing story and brings up drama out of nowhere to make it seem deep like CAD

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>>83455959

Guess I'll experiment with it a bit when I've got some proper sleep.
I hope that's a good thing. I fucking love thinking about art-as-light, and if I can share the love a bit that's great.

Also, posting panel that I'll probably have to cut entirely because the scene it's in isn't working too good with it.
Ah well, that's the price of working like an idiot I guess.

>>83456360
you mean like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhTKMBXWNg

>>83456487

To be more specific: I got a story set in an urban fantasy land. This place is in a cold war with its neighbors. And there's an "something can set the spark off and kill us all" vibe throughout my first two arcs. Then in arc 3 it happens, without too much warning, and one of my main characters is killed in an air raid.

It's not gag-a-day, more like gunnerkrigg with chapters/books etc. So I guess that helps.

>>83456527
>Don't soften it with a character acknowledging how tragic it is

That's a good call, thanks!

>>83456559
Was reading loss in the storytime thread the other day. Still can't believe it's been 8 years already. Will give the raccoon arc a try.

>>83456645
aw but i like this picture. for several reasons.

>>83456734
if youre going to make the audience feel a tragic loss, then let them. let it be real. explore it fully. then for god's sake don't constantly keep doing it. don't be a Tomino and constantly introduce new characters who die horribly so we learn war is teh suck. just let it be the one. that one loss that changes things and people REMEMBER the dude that died.

>>83456734
>And there's an "something can set the spark off and kill us all" vibe throughout my first two arcs.
So long as you've set that up, then you'll probably be fine.

>>83455858
I'm a big fan of the semen demon on the right.

>>83452983
Don't forget Commander Keen.
>>83453114
That'd work well if you understood the original content and were playing it on its own head. As it looks now, you just steal shit.

>>83457070
absorbing something through popcultural osmosis is every bit as valid as understanding the original content
consider the fact that we have a discussion in this very thread about what the original content is, and we haven't been able to nail it down

>>83457140
well as long as your goal is to get people to immediately go 'oh it's one of those kinds of things, from one of those kinds of things'
I do the same exact shit, just half-remembered videogame characters i might have seen in an old magazine or something. Ask any creative person and they'll advise you to always copy, and always copy poorly. that's all originality is.

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>>83456755
Yeah, I like it too and I really nailed the pose* but the basic sequence it's part of isn't really doing what it should and while the problem is the panels surrounding it, I'm gonna need to change this one too to make it work.

*made the breasts a little too big tho - I really suck at consistent breast sizes

>>83457048
That's Göndul. She was in a previous strip, too, although I didn't get her name in at the time.
I'm pretty sure she's married to her job.

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Fangs and blood and stomping and stuff.

http://vigormortis.co.uk

>>83457550
i'm so lost in this story and i don't even care, it's just so badass

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>>83457550
Yeah this is awesome, keep it up. I personally would of tried to make the mouth less Predator/Blade but it's not a big deal.

>>83457550
Can you stick around and do normal /hyw/ stuff instead of just drive-by posting your comic for promotional purposes?

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Hi /hyw/, been having a pretty good week, and a lot of it is due to me figuring out how to cut the stress from getting pages done on time to near 0: I've been waking up at 5 AM to get an hour of drawing done before work.
It REALLY frees up your afternoon schedule nicely and I feel that working on my page gets less tiresome because I'll work on it for an hour and then get back on it 10 hours latter in the same day. Also finished a MAJOR re-write of chapter 8 which was a bloody mess and that had been scratching at my head for months now... but now I think I'm FINALLY satisfied with it.

>>83454747
Stylized comics WILL generally do that indiscriminately, really. You'll only really ever see white characters with, say, long noses. The "tumblr" crowd doesn't like grotesque designs (though you might see that unintentionally), they like "safe" designs.

>>83455858
I dunno, I think it's been worth it for me so that people can point out problems in a page months before it actually goes up.
I was actually thinking of taking a break after finishing the current selkie chapter just for the sake of trying to improve my art without looming stress of the upcoming page. Also, links image ALMOST done. To be honest, I had actually forgotten I HAD a "links" page on my site until you pointed it out, but now that means I also have to make one for the other great comics here like Sisters or MM.

>>83456360
You make people care about the characters beyond them being vehicles to deliver gags. The reason people make so much fun of Loss is partially because nobody cared for the main characters; it's not even about Buckley all that much, it's really about it being very awkwardly delivered and just not fitting the comic AT ALL.

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>>83457619
We'll take that - cheers!

>>83457691
We try to make all the Revenants' mouths different but I think we did look at the Blade ubervamp guy in passing for mandible reference.

>>83457866
Have really sporadic internet access at the moment due to life jank so it's the best we can do at the moment - am following the threads when possible.

>>83457967
Ugh, double "at the moment" - what is sleep?

>>83457957
links pages do seem to be going the way of the guestbook and the hits counter, don't they? it's a shame

>>83458005
Reminds me of that pinky and the brain episode
for once Brain remembers he's given Pinky the instruction to pull the switch when he says 'now', and is trying desperately not to say it while he talks to his this-episode girlfriend
>not... at present
>not at the moment.. uh.. at this point in time..
>what?
>oh let me turn this off. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? oh drat

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finally free so i'm able to start participating in these threads again so yay

>>83457957
I'm terribly sorry, I saw the thumbnail and the "Hi /hyw/" and I thought you were Bones.

>>83458521
i just love the over the topness of this comic
gotta say though this panel layout does not work very well (i've been guilty of this before) because the staggered rows with uniform columns makes you logically read straight down before going across

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Here's some rough pencils. I tried to focus more on backgrounds, as I noticed some of my earlier pages were lacking in them. Thoughts?

>>83458573
ahh dang i didnt really notice it but yeah youre right i'll fix the panel layout, im not very good at laying them out so ill remember not to do this next time

>>83458521
Does this mean Zeke is indestructible (superpowers!!!), or he lands in a marshmallow factory?

>>83458613
nice little cityblock
though the roof awning is crooked on the middle building. it doesnt follow the perspective on the others. pick up its far corner a bit

>>83458682
sometimes it just.. happens. one panel needs to be a lot taller than another. whattayagonnado?
>>83458854
i don't think you're supposed to take this as reliable narration

>>83459279
I fully believe the story Zeki is telling is true and canon.

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https://tapastic.com/series/FrICTION

All criticism welcome. I realize the speech bubbles still need some polish, and I'm tweaking them as a type this. But I want thoughts on my art, if anybody has tips I would appreciate it.

Like I said last thread, it's about people who are turned into cartoon characters and are forced by some agency to live together.

>>83459617
then that is one doofenshmirtzian backstory

>>83459637
>mature content
tapastic forces you to have an account to see that.

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>>83458854
>>83459279
>>83459617
>>83459722
well this comic isnt exactly serious, it started with her parents getting killed by a raccoon for one thing. But zeki is telling the truth.

>>83459637
Well one thing that would really help is cleaner/bolder lines. Your lines are so thin and fuzzy reading it is a little rough on the lines. Consider playing around with grey scale some more, or using more solid blacks or crosshatching. All the blank white space in the comic makes it look kind of empty.

>>83460031
hehehehe
debatable*
also would he really say 'i wandered and opened my backpack' ? that doesn't sound right

>>83460084
i normally change what i write when i put it in the speech bubbles etc so i'll think of something better also thanks for the spellcheck

>>83459759
Shit, I'll adjust it right away. Sorry.

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>>83460052
I tried hatching and it just looked odd. I use straight tones and empty whites because it looks like your regular "western cartoon sketch" look. Which is what I'm attempting to go for. I'll look into the linework, though.

>>83460687
ah here we go
you know, there are a lot more things about this that i like than i thought there would be. the expressions are quite nice

>>83451817
God have Mercy on this design :^)

>>83459637
That dialogue font ain't workin'. Get a new one.

>>83461057
this
>>83451817
>>83452324

stop playing overwatch dewd

>>83461233
are those things really from that thing?

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>>83454132
>Also, despite the diverse cast borderline SJW pandering, there's only one gross character in the whole cast of 21 heroes, so stop being triggered by brown characters,
Actually it's the censoring of Tracer's ass and how assblasted the Memewatch team is over porn I was referring to, Plebby McCasualson. I bet kids like you don't even remember all the bestiality references in Warcraft, or demon tits in Diablo, or how everyone who actually worked on something good at Blizzard has left the company except Sam and Chris who are too addicted to their fursonas and orcsonas respectively to ever leave.

You can pitch the game any way you want but it's still just another TF ripoff at the end of the day, just like League of Losers and Zeroes of the Storm are DotA ripoffs.

Like I said, it's Memewatch. It's a desparate cash grab by Blizzard who can't even make a good expansion for arguably one of the most well known games of all time since they were bought by Activision and, just like with the Guitar Hero franchise, we all know Activision has the reverse Midas touch where all they touch turns to shit.

>>83461447
shit i dont know or care about this game but
>censored ass
i am now extremely mad

>>83451739
Reminds me of Highlights magazine for some reason

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Got this rough finished up
Critiques on framing or anything are really appreciated. Wanna know what I should fix before I start clean-up in a while

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>>83461017
Thanks man, means a lot.

>>83461838
most riveting comic i've ever seen on the subject of closing a cell phone

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>tfw everyone is posting WIPs and comics, clearly being productive, while you can't muster the motivation to even look at your comic anymore

>>83461903
Jej
Yeah, sorry about that. I'm not very accustomed to the limited motion of comics, so I try to convey some scenes as if they were in a movie or animated. The point of that scene is trying to create build up for the transition to the next page.
If you think it's a big enough problem, I can go back and redo those last couple of panels

>>83462061
Fuck off feels poster

>>83462120

I think it's good if you intend to slow the action down to build tension. We stay focused on the closing of the cell phone for 3 panels here, so it slows us (the reader) down for a bit.

>>83462120
I do the same thing
i've been trying to look back at cape comics lately, and also limited-animation cutscenes in some old video games, and there's some really neat poses that can get across a big complex action in one go. gotta study those!

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fuck ive been away from the tablet for so long. How the fuck do i use this again?

In all seriousness. This is something I made in a paintchat room, basically oekaki software, the pen tool was really fluid and impressive. For the life of me, I can't seem to achieve the same effect in photoshop. I can't explain it. Sai is really great, but i'm really OCD about doing it in photoshop.

Is it something wrong with the stabilization, I can't figure it out. Java is basically dying/dead, and I can't use those paintchat rooms anymore. I will post the question on /ic/ too.

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>>83461233
>>83461057
Who?

Well, either way it's supposed to look like brenner, you know, the one in purple?

>>83463167
wow, this is interesting. i love it when loose scribbles still show a ton of skill and look good somehow

>>83461884
Why do you keep calling me BITCH

>>83461069
Any font suggestions?

>>83463726
Digital comic strip 2.0, i hate comic sans.
http://blambot.1001fonts.com/

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>>83463535
ah thanks anon, i don't know why i gravitate toward it, but some artists i see do it, it's very rare, and they are incredible. entirely linear and loose.

i think im kinda just gonna try to grit through using photoshop, it's not so bad

>>83453547
>muh censorship.

They're stealing the models and profiting off cut and paste content.

That level of lazy bullshit deserve to be punished. I wish more companies cracked down on it.

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>>83463868
>stealing
>profiting
>cut and paste
I wonder who could be behind this post...

>>83463862
get mangastudio and try it first. it has a stabilizer, it runs a fuck of a lot better, and it's cheap as balls.

>>83463962
mangastudio? ok i definitely will, i got paid so i could try it out.

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>>83461447

Have you seen what they replaced the Tracer's ass pose with? They took down a shitty lazy pose and put up a pose that references a pinup poster that shows almost as much butt, a big fuck you to SJW, and a much better pose.
I haven't heard of them being upset about Overwatch porn, but since when companies shutting down porn/creators not liking porn of their games is a SJW thing? In what kind of bubble do you live were this is not standard practice?

On one side we have tumblrines crying because the game is not tumblr, on the other equally big titted fat fucks crying because the game is tumblr. I don't know what group of triggered pussies is the worst drag on mankind.

Also, you call me a casull kid, but it's you who has been feeling so high and mighty on top of your pc gamer master race's highly costumized anal probe for so long, you might want to come down for one second to realise that this game plays more like a fast paced oldschool shooter than TF, grampa. I started playing the beta for Overwatch expecting a borderline SJW TF and I was surprised.
There are these great gamespot videos that shows the designers who worked on Overwatch, these veteran Blizzard empolyees, and what they wanted to do with this game, and they nailed it.
I don't mean to say Blizzard or Activision aren't shit, Heroes of the storm is clearly a cash grab, but that doesn't mean Overwatch is the same, specially since you don't create a whole new IP as a cash grab, don't be retarded.

So stop trying to find reasons to be mad for no reason and play the fucking game, or just ignore all this shit, stop whining and go back to jerk off to anime you fag.

>>83461528
Pic related is the censored ass

>>83464047
nobody anywhere ever shuts down porn. that just calls attention to it. what you do is pretend it doesn't exist.
the rest of what you're describing is called 'terrorism works'

>>83464047
Oh okay, I thought we had an Erel from Eretzvaju/Evilzone thing going on.
funny thing about overreacting to an inaccurate statement though, you're reacting properly to the theoretically accurate one.

>>83464003
Go for manga studio 5, it's pretty great, also pretty cheap.

>>83463515
I know what you are doing, it's not even funny.

>>83464116
You'd think that, but Nintendo once even bought a Mario porn movie franchise called Super Hornio Brothers to stop them from doing more

>>83464426
that's different for a couple of reasons.

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>2016
>paying for software that you can get for free, that you might not even enjoy

>>83464426
Whatevs, everyone last thread had zero problem with it, so I'm just gonna continue life as normal with these finalized designs.

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>>83464615
Keep it up champ. You'll make it in no time

>>83461057
he's allowed to have inspiration. it's not like it's a copy

>>83464813
>inspiration
When I was 8, I had some megaman, power ranger, spiderman, and beetleborg action figures. I would watch DBZ and get "inspired" and have my ragtag team imitate whatever trope or cool thing I saw on TV. Megaman was Goku, and one of the power rangers was Vegeta. They had a sick rivalry going on.

Dewd's comic is the same as a kid playing with a bunch of toys. There's little coherent sense, and it's all for himself. Even the way he derives "inspiration" is juvenile, blindly copying what he sees, making it a barely stitched together mess. But that isn't what bothers me the most, it's when he tries to rationalize it with stupid shit like "nuh uh this is totally not from this thing". Are you kidding me?

Anyone know other good sites to advertise my art/comic?
I already got Deviantart, Tumblr, Newgrounds, and Twitter

>>83465204
it's not a copy though
when i was a kid, i got inspired by that shit but i drew my own. i had a robot suited guy that was pretty similar to megaman but his helmet was vegeta's-hair-shaped and thus he was kinda sonicesque too. i was really thinking of something like iron man at the time, but he had the booster shit on his back like metal sonic instead of the feet.
you can mix up a bunch of shit you like and it's still an original thing. and he did say he wants these characters to look derivative and familiar.
the only real similarity here is 'wears a zelda skirt with the front flap' and 'has shell-pasta-shaped pauldrons'. which yeah, i bet he wouldnt have come up with on his own

>>83465266
sheezyart, myspace, livejournal, wordpress, tinder, facebook, ebay, grindr, steam, and don't forget etsy.

>>83465370
>sheezyart
man i havent heard that in a long-ass time.

>>83465303
Well, if you remember from the last thread, the zelda skirt front flap came into play later.

>>83465204
>But that isn't what bothers me the most,
That's a weird thing to type after a big long list of what makes west tree great. Shit, he could make that his tagline. "the same as a kid playing with a bunch of toys"

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>>83465443
>what makes west tree great
>west tree
>great

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>>83464615
>>83464813
When the first design was posted I thought it had a little from Mercy, but ok, it could pass as coincidence... but when you have a Mercy and a Mccree then it's a little too obvious where he is taking his "inspirations" from. When you get elements from something and add them onto your story it's fine, but Dewd now has a clear cheap knock off Mercy and a Mcree in the same story, and they don't even blend in with the original cast, which look more like some bizarre mix of 2000's/2010's cartoon characters.

Completely unrelated though, I made a concept for Angel's father, Dewd. Please use him it's completely oc from the bottom of my heart

>>83465689
>that pig
cute af

>>83465689
Bruh, I don't know where you've been but angel's dad has been dead in the ground for almost a year now.

>>83465689
it's not a knockoff though, it's just "oh yeah, pauldrons exist. Thanks, game!" you are allowed to do that
and they aren't meant to blend in with the cast, right? they're supposed to be their parents. he said that outright, he wants them to look like more oldfashioned characters.
>bellybutton is pig anus
hehehehehe. last i saw her dad was a small winged pig, non-anthro, roughly babe-sized (a fucking runt). but holy shit if he mutated or something that's exactly what he should turn into. or maybe that could be her uncle

>>83465795
wait, he died? did he get shanked in prison?

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>>83465833
Nah, shotgunned down by that evil guy.

But I dunno, he COULD always come back fucked up like the pig dude.

>>83465920
ohhh right
i found that whole arc a little hazy
this comic has a hell of a death count

>>83465972
Really? I never thought that many died.

Well that doesn't matter, there will be more to die soon enough.

>>83466008
and then they can all come back as zombles someday

>>83465802
For the sake of my own time, I'm not going to respond after this one. And even this response is more for everyone else in the thread, as there's something fundamentally flawed with your way of thinking that this point won't get across at this time.

It's not about "allowed", there's no committee of creative endeavors council that judges whether or not something is OK. People are only expressing how they experience the content. Only egotistical and delusional content creators try to tell the audience that they're "experiencing it wrong" and throw a bunch of reasons at them about why they should see it this way instead.

You show those 2 designs to anyone who has played OW, and they will tell you it's a ripoff. No one gives a shit about "but muh pauldrons" or whatever, it's like trying to convince someone that a joke is funny or this part of the story is sad.

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I got this litle comic of 4 pages. I´m the writer.
Pic unrelated
http://www.no-retornable.com.ar/v17/bangbang/04.html

>>83466071
Don't even bother, dude. I also gave up already.
This guy sees those knock off Superman toys called Man of power or something and thinks "yep, this is man of power, an original chinese superhero". Where the S on his chest came from? A peculiar stylistic choice most likely

>>83466071
>there's no committee of creative endeavors council that judges whether or not something is OK.
then stop acting like you're on it
you go find anyone who would think these are ripoffs and i'll find someone whose faces i can laugh in. as we mentioned earlier, the poncho robot arm guy is something decades old. but by all means, go find those people. let them tell you it's a ripoff. have a beer with them and laugh about how you can identify shit others can't. have a great time

>>83466071
That's not how you use 'muh' dude.
>>83466220
Cute shit. And kind of on topic! Heh

>>83466350
Thank you. I´m glad you liked it.

>>83466071
Nothing egotistical or delusional about this post, no sir.

>>83466220
Cute, I like it. Is it a part of a larger project?

>>83466071
Overwatch is a mess of commonly used character traits. Also just kind of a mess of a character roster. I don't know the specifics of the story or have anything against the designs themselves individually but at a glance, cowboy, kawaii mecha, Mad Max enemies 1 & 2, angel, sith lord, robot gorilla, dwarf, etc. is all just too much for one game.

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>>83459233
Thanks, and is this better?

>>83466678
Not by the moment. But it could belong in an antology someday. Thank you very much I´m glad you enjoyed it.

>>83466737
it doesn't look like you changed it
look, see the line created by the tops of the windows? see how it's nicely in line with the lines made by the drug-mart awning? and the line at the bottom of the top floor window on the drug mart (what i can only assume is an apartment up there, a drug 'part if you will)? the top of that next building should pretty much follow that line nicely.you've got its left corner (well our left) tilted up quite a bit. i'd redline it for ya but i suck at perspective so i'd probably do it wrong, i just know this one roof bit is tilted and the rest looks just right.

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>>83467079
see i shouldnt be redlining anything. i even did a less-confident orangeline. and i dont even think that's right. but you see what i mean right?
someone better than me chime in

>>83467268
This is wrong though, the drugmart thing is what should be modified in this picture. It should be going down, instead it's going up

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>>83467268
Oh, okay. I think I understand now. Thanks for the redline. Is this an improvement?

>>83467505
>>83467268
The top of the Drug Mart awning seems to be on horizon level so it should be flat.

>>83467588
thaat looks better
>>83467609
>>83467505
this is also probably why i was having so much trouble figuring out what was wrong. TWO of things were wrong, not just one of things.

y'know i bet to people who know how to plot out the perspective on everything, this seems silly, like 'why didn't they just use the guidelines and get it right?' but to the rest of us it's a real issue. we MUST eyeball things, because if we can't eyeball simple geometric shapes, how can we be expected to eyeball irregular stuff for which guidelines aren't a help?

Why is it most people in these threads release their comic serially?

>>83467855
i should think the advantages and disadvantages of posting in big chunks are obvious. the story reads better (some comics NEED this, others don't) and the reader is less confused. but they also have to wait a lot longer, so the chunks had better leave a solid enough impression that the gap doesn't mean they forget everything in between

>>83467855
>>83467897
I'm debating how to release my stuff - Individual pages? Chapters? The whole damn book?

It's a self-contained story with a definite end.

>>83468043
sounds like a chapters situation
but if you can, try breaking the chapters up into a few pages so you can release them like 4-5 at a time.

>>83468043
i'd say individually on a steady weekly basis. This seems to be one of the staples to keep readers curious and coming.

>>83468043
If you can stomach not having a constant stream of attention, then compile it into a whole book before you release it. The advantages are plentiful-- being able to work on pages in any order can help curve the amateurish "visible skill progression" most web comics constantly exude. You can also make drafts and revisions to the whole thing as your will. The pacing and flow will be a lot better than your average weekly page web comic. Basically if you want to make something really great-- and I mean legitimately something-- you'll be doing it all at once. Like a film.

However, if you want to do a gag of the week thing, or some mundane superhero comic, then you can just make it serial. With that it doesn't matter.

>>83454890
Did I seemed triggered? Oh no! I love it, in fact. Critics here should keep being soft on people so the dumb ones who really believe the unneeded praises will rot and never improve. It feels so good.

>>83470074
>Did I seemed triggered?
Yes, you 'seemed' very triggered. Tell ya what, next time someone says something nice about someone's comic, we'll put a trigger warning up first, just so you can sleep better at night, buddy. It's gonna be okay. I'm here for you.

>>83468298
>being able to work on pages in any order can help curve the amateurish "visible skill progression" most web comics constantly exude

I dunno, I actually enjoy seeing that, even in my own where characters didn't really use to have foreheads

>>83470192
ohhh stop hurting my feelings anon

ur hurting muh feels on a tibetan mustard slurping site

>>83467855
It works best for keeping people's interests and encourages discussion (AKA viral marketing) and regular visits to the site. People get a new thing to talk about every week, rather than once a year or however long it takes you to finish a story. The only readers you lose are the ones who combine not wanting to read things page by page, caring about spoilers, and not being able to avoid spoilers while they wait for enough pages to pile up that they'll bother catching up.

>>83468298
You can do all of those things while releasing page-by-page if you just plan ahead.

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>>83452324
>>83451817
People were actually defending this unoriginal garbage? I'm confused, there's no way people don't see the blatant 'inspiration'. A new creator coming in and posting designs like this would get BTFOd.

Are we making exceptions for the tripfag because he's a retard or something?

>>83470631
>Are we making exceptions for the tripfag because he's a retard or something?
It is common knowledge here that Dewd is mentally retarded.

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>>83463515
>>83464813

He's allowed to that, granted. He's not allowed to feign ignorance.

I saw his Mercy Fan art previous to that, he's only digging himself a bigger grave

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>>83470772
>>83470738
>>83470631
I don't play Overwatch because I'm busy making comics.
Is this the character he's supposed to be copying? I don't really see the resemblance.

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>>83451817
>that lower half
is she a table?

>>83470838
The only thing that is actually similar, and just makes it look like a joke, is the hair.

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Update! What do you guys think?

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>>83470838
Dewd, like I said, the first draft of this character could look like a coincidence, the influence was clear to me, but you changed enough so she wouldn't look too much like a knock off Mercy. But with each revision you kept making her clothes closer and closer to the visual you really want: Mercy's design.
Also, if your second "entirelly new character" right after this one wasn't Mccree, nobody would have said anything. But it's this blatant ripoff, combined with the fact that these designs have absolutely fucking nothing to do with the design of the other characters that make they stand out like an autistic sore thumb.

>>83471198
I was just giving what the audiance wants man.

And even then, this seems like a REALLY big strech here, like, your kind of grasping at straws trying to saying a character that looks similar to her is a ripoff.

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>>83471250
Dewd, sweetie, you don't have an audiance.

>>83471004
is this porn? this has that porn aesthetic

>>83471277
Well, ok, thats what the people who wanted me to change her design wanted.

>>83457866
so you want them to circlejerk instead of talking about their comic which is the entire fucking point of these stupid threads?

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>>83471277

>>83471250
Fuck you.
Going to bed, someone please make a don't reply to Dewd collage.

>>83471313
Drive-by promotion is not talking about their comic. They didn't even ask for feedback or anything like that. It's LITERALLY just advertising, which you used to be able to report posts for but that option was mysteriously removed from the report box without explanation.

>>83471330
I think everybody already knows except for you, anon.

/v/ is given an autist to raise and they end up with CWC. We were given Dewd.
We may be negligent parents, but ignoring him has turned out pretty well so far.

>>83471198
mccree just made it obvious. like he put so much effort into changing mercy, but DGAF about the other one

>>83471004
The word bubble where she's yelling is lacking a stem.

>>83457957
Good to hear about chapter 8 - feel free to send it my way if you want any feedback.
>latter
That reminds me, you keep using this word when you should be using "later".
"later" is for a period of time ("I will work on my comic later, after explaining this minor point of grammar") , "latter" is an adjective like "second" or "last" that's the antonym of "former" ("I walked up to Jack and his baby sister and punched the latter in her face").
I don't think I remember seeing it pop up in your comic, but I figured I should point it out.

> it's been worth it for me so that people can point out problems in a page months before it actually goes up.
Yeah, but you're posting pages that are months out of context and that will have been mostly forgotten by the time they show up - my buffer is still in that zone where the page I'm working on is a spoiler to the resolution of the immediate conflict. I'm still gonna post asking for help if I feel like I might need it, but there's definitely more of a feeling of wanting to keep my cards close to my chest than I had previously.

Image is looking good, but as a minor nitpick, Skeggöld's black dot eyes aren't just me stylizing her eyes differently - she really is supposed to have black/very-dark-brown eyes.

>>83471668
I agree with you about not wanting to post spoilers. Part of it is that WIPs are a Patreon reward and I would feel bad giving out paid content for free here, and the other part is that we have no buffer so any page we're working on at the time is the very next page. Also there's the propensity of both me and my artist to keep things secret all the time anyway, which made our Hiveworks pitch a bit uncomfortable to do because we had to spoil the entire first major arc of the comic in that thing.

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>>83470223
Oh baby, I know you like pain. I'm gonna hug you so hard and whisper in your ear how your comic is so good. You're gonna hate it so much but imma make you take all that positive reinforcement.

>>83471668
>Good to hear about chapter 8 - feel free to send it my way if you want any feedback.

Thanks, I think I'm confident enough with it now; I wouldn't want to bother you with it more than I already have, the commentary you gave was a real life-saver. I mean, Chapter 7 was still fine minus some pacing issues, but Chapter 8 was were the REAL problems began.

>but there's definitely more of a feeling of wanting to keep my cards close to my chest than I had previously.

Fair enough, I think you're at the point where you don't really need much help from these threads anyhow with some minor exceptions (red pants joke comes to mind). I mean, I stopped posting WiPs a LONG while ago because and generally come here because I enjoy the conversations. ATM I mainly need to take a break (a month or two max) after this chapter to practice purely improving my art and coloring without the stress of also having to put out the next page.

>she really is supposed to have black/very-dark-brown eyes.

Oh, I actually DID think it was the latter and that you just thought she looked better with black dots; will rectify.

>>83472238
Wait, fuck, read your last sentence wrong. Skype + 4chan at the same time always gets awkward posts out of me

>>83472136
Is Sora getting smaller?

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>stay up late working on update
>hit post and get much needed sleep
>wake up
>0 views

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>>83472338
>get 300 views the day of the update before I've even posted it

>>83472307
Well, I'm trying to make her look like she's 3-4 and a half feet tall.

SD is easily 6'7.

>>83471004
>Ladie's
Shouldn't that be " ladies' "?

It seems really out of character for Jackie to be a recognized top gymnast.
The kid can barely be bothered to get out of bed on time, her after school practice stops early enough for her mom to pick her up after work and there's not a sign of medals or trophies from past competitions on the walls of her room, but you're telling me she's competing with and beating the kids that train 6 hours a day, spend the rest of their waking hours obsessing over how they're gonna take gold at the olympics when they're finally old enough to compete, and have been doing so since they were nine years old.
Would the story not work if she was just a hobbyist or a talented dabbler?

>>83472356

4 feet tall is at least HALF as tall as SD; she looks like she's 1/3rd or 1/4th his size

>>83472716
Well, that's what I was going for.

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>>83472783
Okay, buddy.

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>>83472783
>4 ft tall VS 6'7
>she looks like a hamster compared to him
>"what I was going for"

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>>83472622
Good catch!

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anyone else worried and stressed when they think about their comic's future?

>>83473200
all the time man

you just have to do as good a job as you can possibly do and hope it's enough

>>83472783
4/6.7= 6/10th, dewd.

>>83473140
Bottom panel seems kinda awkward. Not sure why the tip of their heads are cut off, or why the hood of the car is taking up so much real estate. I think it would work better if the "camera" was moved up a bit so the characters' heads were more in the middle of the frame.

Also, not that big a deal, but in the third panel the way the speech bubbles are placed it reads not as a back-and-forth but as the mom saying her two things and then the daughter replying "Yeah. Okay." Fixing this would be tricky though, you'd probably need to redraw their positioning a bit.

>>83471733
Well, I don't know that I'm that leery of spoilers in every occasion - for instance, after this scene concludes, there's gonna be a big long important-but-not-very dramatic scene to set things up for the rest of the chapter, which I won't mind spoiling weeks in advance because it's not full of big reveals or sudden twists.
I can't recommend having a buffer hard enough, by the way. I don't know about your artist, but the sense of tranquility that has descended on my soul is just incredible now that I don't have the constant worry.

>>83472238
Well if I have to be honest, I don't post WIPs here so much to get feedback (though it's greatly appreciated) as I do it to keep myself going - I'm not a very motivated or structured person, but the framing of posting WIPs here has really helped me stay on schedule a few times. Y'know "okay, I just have to clock in another half hour of drawing, then I can post the WIP on /co/ and feel like I've accomplished something" when I'm staring down artist's block.

>>83472825
>>83472894
>>83473474
It was for comedic effect dudes, I do it all the time.

>>83471668
>>83455858
You need a dedicated editor or two to show your stuff to who can help you out - That way you don't end up stuck in the "All things to all people." trap, and eventually receiving conflicting critique. Also no worry about spoilers!

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>>83473564
My bad, you're right, I'm retarded.

>>83473633
Conflicting critique hasn't really been a problem for me. I have a pretty strong idea of what I'm trying to do and going "thanks, but that's not really the kind of story I want to tell" when people give me advice that doesn't mesh with my goals is pretty easy for me.

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roufh print designs for HW submission 1/2

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>>83473819
2/2, thoughts?

>>83473564
Then the joke fell a tad flat

>>83473822
i tried to smoke catnip once

it's a good legal alternative to weed

>>83474165
Hope you passed it to your cat

>>83473822
I like what you're going for, but I don't like that huge meme on the top of the page. I don't know, maybe I'm just overreacting, but it feels cheap, almost reductive, and given how manufactured the letters look, even intrusive.

Like, a ghost cat smoking is already interesting on its own merit. If you just have the top part as smoke, it leaves room for readers to wonder what it's smoking, why, and if it means anything for the story or the character. The alternative is a flat joke

These are just my two cents, at the end of the day, I still like what you're going for so it's up to you

The only other thing I'd say is the ghost tail needs to be clearer, but you said these are roughs so I'll assume you'll get to it

>>83474401
>text is now a meme

>>83474425
>implying that's what I said
I'm talking about the 420 BLAZE IT SMOKE WEED ERR DAY shit at the top, you autist. I hope you're not the artist, because if you're just going to respond to suggestions/criticisms with shitposting, then why are you even posting in this thread to begin with?

>>83474583
Sperg more.

>>83474401
I wanted the text to be not intrusive, but minimal. How about chisseling the blacks around the txt away? ill include a txt free version in the pitch too.

more pages can't hurt huh

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But seriously there's nothing about this page that needs fixing, is there?

>>83474583
i think you should smoke some weed :-)

fun time: which artists here do you think smoke weed "err day"?

>>83474051
Like Sora's tits, HO! got eem.

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Dear /hyw/,

Do you like my roughs?

<3 Anon.

>>83477183
Looks decent enough.
You might want to make the outlines of objects more defined than the lines used for details inside the form.

>>83476656
Skeggold's eyes aren't googly enough.

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http://luckyhazard.thecomicstrip.org/

two page update this week!

>>83472136
2nd panel, "too comfy" not "to comfy"

>>83472136
>>83478624
Dewd, you said you were going to start checking grammar.

>>83478709
"to" is not something proofreaders get because it's a word as well. But I do reclaim vigilance.

>>83476656
whos fucking god tier comic is this and where can I read it

>>83479160
It's consistently ranked in the top 3 of /hyw/. http://carriongirls.the-comic.org/

>>83479160
Oh shit I forgot.
Usually I put the title in the file name.
Thanks for the reminder!
Comic is "Carrion Girls" at
carriongirls.webcomic.ws

Pardon the terrible site, I'm working on it.

>>83477501
Just pretend the goat is doing googly eyes and you can't see it.

>>83478862
>But I do reclaim vigilance.
Can you talk like a normal person please???

>>83479659
No about how

Can't stop playing the pokeymen and for the last two days I didn't work on my comic. I'm a fucking disgrace. I'll probably do some more writing and sketching today. Got some antagonists all figured out

>>83479807
Now I know who you are. :)

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>tfw everyone is too busy with their own comics to do a /hyw/ mega-crossover event spectacular

>>83480915
What would the plot be?

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A page WIP.

Does anyone else have trouble writing a character reacting to bad news? It's always hard for me to find a balance between melodramatic and "don't give a fuck".

>>83481380
a massive orgy

>>83471198
>skin color stolen from this character
watch out dewd, someone has a patent on periwinkle skin

>>83481661
Well, people reacting to bad news is a really complex mixup of emotions and intensity is just one of the dimensions. Fear, rage, grief, despair, denial, all in varying proportions depending on the situation and the character's personality,...

>>83478709
you say this every thread
and i say he's making drastically fewer mistakes than before

>>83472136
closest i ever saw to sora sleeping, not sora to sleeping. though both are kinda clumsy. better to say 'the closest i've ever seen sora come to sleeping' and even THAT is clumsy. maybe just 'closest you've been to sleeping'
also sora is fucking cute
also jesus christ she is tiny now

>>83482235
It's not enough.

>>83473564
ah i wasn't sure. it kinda seems like you're playing around a lot more with scale lately, now that your proportions seem to be more consistent and normalized.
carry on then. it is cute as fucking balls. just.. surreal.

>>83476656
do kids of that breed really have horns that big at that age? also, weird he's missing one. but i guess that happens
also it's getting bigger in each panel.. the head's smaller than her hand, then the same size, then bigger. but that's fine, dont mess with it at this point.

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>>83482198
The character in question is a bit depressed due to bad things in the past, so i guess a little bit melodramatic is fine.. but still, some balance is always nice.

By the way, what kind of schedule do you think is more appropriate? One page every week or One chapter every 1-2 months?

>>83482342
the other day there was a page without any grammar mistakes. this one has one, tying it with today's miss melee. lately he's averaging 1-2 mistakes per page. i dunno that's pretty good, but i don't have perspective since i never make any spelling or grammar mistakes ever.

>>83482517
One page a week, you can pick up more readers with more frequent updates and most people don't have the patience to wait 1-2 months.

>>83482517

You want the constant updates because it makes readers come back to your site more often and gets them in the habit of checking your site. This also works if your comic goes to shit because it will be stuck in some people so much that they will feel obligated to check every week for a new page.

>>83482511
Well, the oversized horns are intentional. The way I understand it, it's fairly common for breeds that grow more than two horns to have three or five, and the three horns is a very memorable visual.

You're right about the sizes. It isn't a huge problem, but I have plenty of time to fiddle with resizing things a bit before it has to go up.

>>83482517
A character who's had a lot of bad things happen in the past might well be used to and expecting more bad things to happen to them as well as already having developed more or less healthy ways of processing those sorts of emotions.

As for schedule, the way I figure it, people who prefer to read comics in chunks can still just wait a while between their visits if you update weekly. People who prefer to get it one page at a time can't read it their way if you update every other month.

>>83482864
it's true. i've lost interest in good comics due to lack of updates, and i've kept interest in bad ones due to frequent updates

>>83483086
totally memorable. and it had me triplechecking to make sure you kept the sides consistent.
it's an old trick in... something, i forget what. if you make something look SLIGHTLY off, but not actually off, you get people analyzing it more carefully and they actually remember it better

oh i remember, it's commercial slogans. if you use weird wording or even nonsense, people will remember your slogan better

>>83483192
Oh definitely - presenting the reader with an incomprehensible situation or mystery to generate interest is something I try to do all the time.
Chapter 1 was basically just that for the first 15 pages.

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>>83482639
>>83482864
>>83483086

I see... I'll stick to one page a week then.
Though I may or may not consider doing two, I tend to add to much exposition in pages, I can make a character take an entire page just to drink some tea.
Besides, I might only actually "release" the comic once I get 1-2 chapters done so I can get ahead of myself.

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Another re-draw practice. Still not sold on this, but it's pissing me off that I can't imitate my old style.
The fact that I have to think about imitating it instead of coming naturally is baffling enough.

>>83484270
every pose does kind of smack of trying to imitate something, yeah
relax man, get back to where you were when it came naturally. you can do it. and just remember that having to expend more effort IS still going to gradually happen as you improve

>>83484614
I wouldn't mind a bit more of dedication if I can do my old style again, it just pisses me off that I cannot do it naturally.
I'll try to practice a bit more and see what I can do, but this seems like a lost cause already.
No one looks the same, and I don't like these changes. I never asked for this.

>>83484874
maybe go study sayonara zetsubou sensei
it kinda seems like that's what youre going for. that very simple yet aesthetic arrangement of features. maybe look at the ratios they use and even straight up measure them

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I'm also having some drawing/style-related quandaries. I thought going for a sketch -> lineart -> color process would help me streamline things a bit, but I'm finding my lineart to be horrible (then again I really need to work on my anatomy), compared to times when I just start painting and roll with it, which is more time consuming and less consistent but gives (from my point of view) more satisfactory results.
(Yes I posted the picture on the right in this thread already)

>>83485765
Forgot to say what I'm doing at the moment.
I'm doing a bunch of preliminary art to get the style pinned down, designing characters and stuff. Guy on the left is supposed to be one of the protagonists, one which I'm fairly disappointed with as of now.

>>83485284
Oh, I love Kumeta. Not sure if I have it in me to learn properly the most endearing traits of his style, tho.
I'm just gonna wrap this chapter and see what will I do. I need to update it as soon as possible.

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In ya'lls opinion, how are wild west comics doing nowadays?

>>83486252
seemingly making a comeback. i think people just really enjoy drawing the landscapes
also for some reason the western motif is the perfect antidote for shit that might otherwise skew too corny, like furry. mix some western in there and it's awesome.

i wanna see an ancient egyptian themed western sometime.

i've been wanting to make this webcomic, but i'm afraid in might be very "ow the edge"

>>83486431
just remember, the things that make people cringe are always bad imitations of good things.
be the thing people imitate poorly, not the imitation.

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Just starting a sequel to a previous series. Trying a different style and format for it.

>>83485765
I get that you're trying to do the whole Nihei proportions and style thing but honestly you've really gotta work on your fundamental anatomical understanding before painting or branching off into styles. A few hours of focused drawing from life models or photos will improve your knowledge hundredfold and you'll be able to pick out and improve your existing designs yourself.

I like your sketch far more than the painting as it is with far more confidence and style than the over-rendered painting on the right.

Try not to hide tricky parts like hands, feet etc by covering them in clothing or sticking them in pockets or off the page.

>>83486491
i'm trying to make a comic about street fighting

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>>83486406
Well, I enjoy the costumes and character designs used in most westerns, imo. I kinda wanted to use the anthro themed western, similar to that Jasper western. Just trying to figure out a explanation for a giant sandsea.

I was gonna go with a greedy king who got to close to the gods and had his vast city made of glass burned down forming the sea.

>i wanna see an ancient egyptian themed

Would a hairless cat queen with the personality of Eartha Kitt be too corny?

btw, not my art just reference.

>>83486579
cutegorgons are always welcome.
such cute chubby snakes!!

>>83486833
then fuck what i said, have FUN. go watch 80s action movies and try to be as fun as them, instead of trying to be all grim like 00s and modern action movies. fun is the antidote to your edge. nobody ever thought jackie chan was edgy

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>>83486963
you think so?
i have these two characters, one is the main character and he's all serious but he has a friend who's very chill and happy go lucky

>>83486885
i love lore like that. fantasy settings often have crazy impossible out of place deserts without mountains to cause them. i had one caused by a meteorite that attracted sunlight to the spot like a magnet, Tales of Symphonia had a straight up 'it's the fire elemental's magic making this a desert, if he's disturbed it becomes an arctic tundra' situation..

>>83487111
sounds fine to me. afro samurai is good inspiration why not.
what makes you worried youll be edgy?

>>83487111
No offense, but I hope there's much more to their personality than that and aren't brown and blonde haired, buddy.

I might not be the only one who goes straight to Ryu and Ken with that description.

>>83487130
Cool, glad that sound reasonable.

>>83486885
>eartha kitt sphinx cat
.. did not know i needed that, but i need that. ideally not a queen but running a brothel and is maybe also a witch
here i was focusing on necromancy and cobras and scorpions and chariot races and you reminded me of what matters, good job.
>>83487273
was that what ryu and ken were about? i never really got into SF lore

Question for all you writers. Do you guys read a lot of fiction too?

The reason I ask is because I want to learn how to write stories but I don't read a lot, novels, comics or otherwise. Do you think a writer has to read a lot in order to write good stuff?

>>83487273
i kinda want it to be like starting from the streets to the ring.
>>83487273
the main characters doesn't have hair and his friend kinda act like a manager

>>83486820
Thanks mate.

>>A few hours of focused drawing from life models or photos

Is that the same as photostudying?

Hands have been always a hit or miss for me, sometimes I get them right, but most likely I just end up redrawing a pose because of how I fucked them up. Guess that's a problem that comes lack of exercise.
I started this small project hoping it would get me to work regularly on this sort of thing. Guess it's time to start visiting /ic/ more often.

>>83487368
Well, I know I'm not a mind reader but I take a guess you were thinking of her as Ezma. I was thinking more of Eddie Murphy's Boomerang.

>was that what ryu and ken were about? i never really got into SF lore
Kinda like the masks, metaphorically speaking, that they put on in most of the games.

ryu is the stoic and serious fighter, looking for the meaning of life or fighting and Ken is more cocky , looking for that next big fight....til he has a family.

>>83487596
It's always good to have a bit of knowledge or reference when writing. Just find stuff that your interested in or what your stories are about. Movies help too.

>>83487596
>Do you guys read a lot of fiction too?
do you breathe a lot of oxygen?
>Do you think a writer has to read a lot in order to write good stuff?
actually no. some of the greatest creators are totally ignorant of the rest of the world of fiction. they tend to be the weird sorts like reclusive writers.. the harlon ellisons of the world.
just don't try to act like you are, don't try to make references to things, and you'll be fine

>>83487598
Sounds good, with what you said I immediately think of The Quest/ Mike Tyson type of setting.

>>83487638
i've done hands the reverse way. start with the cartooniest, then refine them. they have just so many weird shapes that cant properly be broken down into geometric figures.. if you do, you end up with hands that look like pipes glued to chiclets

>>83487638
I'd recommend the "Croquis Cafe" series on youtube which weekly has figure drawing with poses and timed sessions for study. A good starting point for studying hands is simply to look at your own in a mirror, hold a pose with your hand and then, keeping the pose static, move your hand around and draw it so as to better understand hands as objects in 3d space.

There's a huge amount of differing schools of thought when it comes to breaking down the anatomy, from boxes, cylinders or gesture drawing and each has its own merits. I'd suggest trying several ways to find the one you think works best for you.

Draw from all sources for reference, personally i've found that in the scale of usefulness Life>Photos>Other peoples work for the purpose of studying anatomy.

>>83487777
I'd be reclusive too if i'd had the same amount of work passed off as their own by others as Harlan Ellison

>>83487796
the hard this is, how do i start it?
i mean i want the character to be young so he could develop, a have reasons for his goals.

>>83488157
I'd say look at a few fighting tournaments related movies and brainstorm.

>>83488157
>>83488350
one of my ideas after watching rocky 5 were.
>what if rocky never acknowledged his son.
or
>what if tommy gun killed rocky and his son followed boxing only cause his father did it and would have a huge grudge on tommy.
i also watched karate kid 3 and came up with some other what if's.

>>83488685
Sounds good, getta brainstorm'n!

>>83487908
I think I'm going to do a mix of everything. Already got started on sketching my hand.
>>83488152
Thanks. I'm not entirely sure, but I think I fall into the "sausages and meatballs" method of breaking down anatomy. Must be my problem. How is gesture? It seems overall more involved with the flow of poses and so, but I might be mistaken. It seems very interesting.

>>83489070
gesture drawing is sometimes used as a warm-up exercise in conjunction with 30 second poses from a life model.

Generally its very useful for ensuring a drawing maintains energy and life while also improving your line confidence and control. Also gesture drawing stops you from falling into the detail trap of focusing on small areas as you're working quickly to demonstrate the entire form.

Sausage and Meatballs is a useful tool and a kind of spin-off of the box method. As long as you can draw those sausages and meatballs in 3d space, accouning for perspective its all good

Do you guys usually find it easier to start telling stories with writing or with drawing?

>>83489784
i start with the writing but you can go all different ways with it

How do you guys come up with good dialogue? Especially for characters opposite your gender?

>>83491595
Try saying it out loud. If it sounds off, or cringe-y, then it probably is.

>>83491595
If you're wondering how to write women, I literally just write them like I would write a man and nobody's called me out on it yet.

>>83491943
because nobody reads your shit

>>83492644
What's your comic? I'd like to compare our respective performances.

>>83492644
how do you read something knowing its crap when it's not even posted?

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>when your friends talk about all the cool stuff they have going on in their lives and all you have is a web comic that no one reads

>>83451461
Can I get an invite to the discord?

Anyone contributing to premier comics?

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how are you feeling tonight /hyw/?

>>83495944
Pretty creative. You?

>>83495944
Just wrapped up another weekly comic drawing stream, feeling pretty accomplished.

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>>83495944
How i'm feeling every night, pinky.

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>>83495944
Okay.
Working through a perspective book, basically using the lessons as comic panels.
I sketched from reference, and then fooled around with the vanishing points and shit. I'm looking forward to the chapters on three point and curvilinear. I've been reading a lot of old Spider-Man and I want to be able to draw buildings and shit, eventually.
The book is "Vanishing Point" by John Cheeseman myer, btw.

People making comics right now, do you feel your comic has a bestgirl?

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>>83497401
She is definitely the reader's fav.

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>>83497401
People seem to gravitate towards Hel. and in the old days, her mom