Can we talk about fight scenes? Like how shitty RWBY's

>>83208249
>RWBY
Holy shit, is that shit still relevant? How did it even ever get popular? /co/ could make better shit with just four anons and a drawfag.

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>>83208249
Oh shit wrong wrong webm.

>>83208279
>RWBYfags will call this """""""""good action""""""""

>>83208268
Waifus.
That's literally the only reason RWBY has a following.

>>83208249
Aren't you that same fag who reposts this same webm in every RWBY thread on /v/? Why are you so obsessed with this show?

>>83208325
I don't think I've ever actually posted in /v/.

>>83208268
>/co/ could make better shit with just four anons and a drawfag.

"Better" isn't the wrong part of this, "could make" is. Remember Avian Adventures?

>>83208279
I've seen mediocre SFM animator do a better job than that.

>>83208268
the only place that hates it is 4chan

>>83208581
show me

>>83208879
4chan hates everything, personally i think its jealousy.

>I could make shit too...I just don't have the money or resources, but man it is so much better, you know in my head.

ok way do you prole hate this show even the prole that like it knows it has problems

>>83208879
That could be because we don't immediately suck the cock off of everything that gets popular in nerd culture.

>>83208933
>"Y-your just jealous hater!"

Pretty sure you have to be 18 to post on this board

>>83208954
so your response in to make the same thread over and over

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>>83208959
you seem upset

>>83208895
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3FHKq9O3uak

>>83208268
I scrolled past the general for a long time before some of the fanart made me take a second look, which I spent viewing whatever the hell passes for a fight scene in that show. It's like watching a PS2 game, no fucking thanks. Do like the fanart though.

>>83208968
Yes because clearly I'm the op and the only person respond in this thread, faggot.

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>>83208996
wow ok hot head

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>>83208988
good i like ps2 games

>>83208974
Nope not upset but a little disappointed that you think "they're just jealous" isn't a fucking retarded way to justify why people don't like thisshittyshow

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>>83209105
how can one show trigger you people so bad holy shit

>>83209073
I would watch a Jak movie animated on the PS2 before giving RWBY another look, at least Daxter was funny.

>>83209135
The most extreme reaction itt is yours, champ.

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>>83209146
what are you talking about and best girl

>>83208959
>>83209105
>>83209146

Poor guy forty years old and still flipping bugers at Micky D's.

Come on man Go download Poser, Blender, or the million other free 3d software and show us this better show of yours

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>>83209186
That fallacy is older than you are.

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>>83208986

>>83209212
Plus what if said guy enjoys flipping burgers? What if that's all he ever wanted to do? Not really an effective insult then, is it? "Good job finding your dream career, faggot!" Not much sting to it, is there?

>>83209212
Not really a fallacy when the second comment in this thread is the "could make a better thing" statement.

>>83209255

Unless they are a fat slobby Italian that is no ones dream

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How the hell did this shit get popular?

RWBY I mean. Symphogear is honestly pretty sweet

>>83209172
Jak and Dax is never coming back, while I guess R&C did last longer and tried to reboot themselves but ended up crashing at the box office.

>>83209291
people like it how is that so hard to get your small mind around

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>>83209312
Because every element of it is terrible.

>>83209281
you tried

>>83209261
Yeah, it is.

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>>83209298
i still have hope and the R&C game sold really well so thats a good thing

SYMPHOGEAAAAAAAAHHHHH
Now go back to /m/a/u/ geahfag

>>83209312

that doesn't really answer the question. Im asking for quantifiable measures of quality. This is good because X

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>>83209281
Loads of people enjoy cooking. Among them, there are doubtless some that specialize in cooking hamburgers. Like Bob Belcher, but real.

>>83209312
How hard is it to understand that you got my cock in your ass and that your tastes will forever be shit, and by forever I mean forever.

Ever.

Your tastes fucking suck and you like a show that's fast food equivalent of anime show.

Even newgrounds flashes are better produced than the trite peice of shite that is RWBY.

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>>83209348
nice opinion

>>83209291
Release stuff to an already established fanbase generally helps. Have things be mildly entertaining at least, also helps.

For me I like the show, I can see it's faults but this isn't disney so who gives a shit if it has some shitty animation, weird dialog, and questionable writing choices. As long as Pyrrah comes back it's all good.

Plus RvB is the king of shitty popular things everything else is gold in comparison.

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>>83209363
wow all this mad

>>83209360
Point proven

>>83209378
this i know the show has problems but i still like it i just dont get all the hate

>>83209348
Don't make Bell look like she agrees with you, she loves ugly shit.

>>83209363
Relax anon, we both know it's shit and we both know hundreds of anons will continue to slurp it up, getting mad doesn't make us happier does it?

>>83209368
Why in the fuck do this lady's eyes switch sides? Is that on purpose, or an error? I'm not sure which is worse.

>>83209349
It looks really fucking cool and I'm considering buying it when I got a chance, despite me not having a PS$, so...

I really, realllllyy, truly do wish to see R&C come back again. It's amazing how Insomniac keeps re-inventing the same old formula despite that it's basically a collecathon game with games and still make it feel fresh and new.

Seriously, hats off to Insomniac for sticking to this series for so long even though it probably doesn't sell out megabucks like a certain Naughty Dog is currently doing.

It's great, seriously.

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>>83209395
no its her power

>>83209393
Probably wannabee Roger Eberts that think something has to make them question everything they know or it's not worth their time. You know, joyless faggots that can't accept that people have fun in ways that they do not.

>>83209383
>Lol, you're mad so that invalidates this whole arguement!

@011 was a hell of a year, huh? I remember when I had an online girlfriend that would actually say this shit to me and baka.

You must really enjoy your memes now, don't ya kid?

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>>83209397
yea i love it

>>83209395
>Why in the fuck do this lady's eyes switch sides? Is that on purpose, or an error? I'm not sure which is worse.

It was one, now it's the other.

>>83209408
Swappable heterochromia? Neat I guess, but not all that useful seeming.

>>83209409
>wannabee Roger Eberts
He's dead, isn't he?
We all want to be him now

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>>83209422
this guy no need to be mad guy

>>83209424
Did you see the movie? Was it good?

>>83209444
How's highschool kid? Do you enjoy your shitposting while people outside in your real life continue to keep on ignoring you?

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>>83209446
no i didnt see it so i might get it on dvd or something

>>83209409
>Hur durr you just hate fun

you know if you people spent less time bitching about the detractors and more time actually sharing the shows good points you might not look like twats

>>83209444
>>83209466
Any chance of you two finding somewhere else to fuck?

>>83209466
nice projecting

>>83209435
Siskel is the one that died. Ebert just got jaw cancer, and proceeded to ignore that sign that God wanted him to shut the fuck up.

>>83209444
You need to be 18 or older to post.

>>83209476
Yeah, I think I might rent it at a redbox, don't know if I'll buy it. It looks like it got terrible reviews.

>>83209488
no im going to fuck you

>>83209490
Nice meme, shitposter.

>>83209496
WOW, whats that the fifth "you're a child post"

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>>83209492
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ebert
>2013
He's gone too, anon.

>>83209487
Not going to waste my time, because as I said, it's not your specific brand of fun, so you aren't going to enjoy it, regardless of what I or anyone else says about it. You hate it because you want to hate it. Clearly the show is not for you.

>>83209500
Meh, nothing better to do

>>83209518
Huh, so he is. Never paid much attention to him or his friend because I try to form my own opinions about things.

>>83209492
>Ebert just got jaw cancer, and proceeded to ignore that sign that God wanted him to shut the fuck up.
Another week, another dark KEK.
Slowly I can feel the humanity spilling from the diminishing presence of my sides.

>>83209516
I don't hate the show, but people can hate what they want. The thread just wants to know why you like it.

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>>83209498
yea the reviews were bad made me angry

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>>83209534
>still has some of his humanity left

>>83209519
>Not going to waste my time,

Yeah I thought as much. It's always the same song and dance with you people

>>83209545
I still want to see it. I'll be honest, R&C's humor died on me after I grew out of the age o 14. The future series are pretty funny, but the original trilogy doesn't really bring much laughter out of me, but it does bring out a smile from me.

Btw those screenshots you're posting are pretty fucking sexy. I love the disney quality Insomniac has brought to the games now.

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>>83209557
na all he needs to do is remember the lat 3 numbers works for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lKNhSU-YUA

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>>83209586
yea man the game looks so good

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Christ, what a cancerous fanbase. Can't you RWBY fags just accept that your show looks like ass, is written like ass and you probably just watch it for the ass? Waifubait shows are hardly a new thing here, so why not just accept it for what it is?

People who typically like RWBY express interest in shit like Naruto and other garbage. Leave the mentally handicapped alone.

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>>83209609
whay do you give a shit

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>>83209612
nice joke

>>83209609
It's weird, I'm not above watching a garbage-plot for nice animation and cute grils, but every webm I open from RWBY just destroys any chance of me wanting to give it a shot. If it was exactly the same thing, only actually drawn, I'd probably watch it even though it was still shit, because at least it'd be pretty shit.

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>>83209671
way dont you try and watch it for yourself and find out

>>83209577
>It's always the same song and dance with you people

Just curious, do you have to run an obstacle course at the fun police academy?

>>83209690
Because every frame of that webm and every other from this show hurts to look at, everything is so stilted and wrong-looking.

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>>83209710
well ti dont know what to tell you watch it or dont i dont give a shit

>>83209710
And? We still like it, stop trying to ruin our fun. Do any of us come to your house while you're having a tea party and slap your dick out of your mom's mouth, then scream about how you're enjoying the wrong things?

>>83209710
I bet you love South Park with its top quality animation though, right?

>>83209729
Stupid Emerald. I'm still mad.

>>83209746
>We still like it, stop trying to ruin our fun.
That anon made no such attempt. He commented on his reasons for not bringing himself to watch the show.
>Do any of us come to your house while you're having a tea party and slap your dick out of your mom's mouth, then scream about how you're enjoying the wrong things?
???
This is a thread specifically about the failings of choreography in shows like RWBY. You're literally in here right now obstructing that discussion because it does not agree with you.

>>83209760

South Park doesn't come across as some weeb's Naruto fanfic.

>>83209690
I did and it reminded me of poorly dubbed anime. The voice acting quality is the biggest thing pushing me away. Roosterteeth got lots of money, can't they hire better people?

>>83209771
that did

vic mignogna

yuri lowenthal

laura bailey

Elizabeth Maxwell

Jen Taylor

>>83209769
No, just a pair of manchildren cashing in on buzz words and popculture. Furthermore, i didn't mention the writing, I mentioned the animation. South Park is the lowest of the low in regards to that.

>>83209760
No, but that was certainly an attempt.

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>>83209769

>>83209822
Yuri did a voice? Who?

>>83209830
>if I can just get one of them to say they like SP, then I've GOT 'EM!
anon why are you doing this to yourself

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>>83209837
mercury

>>83209841
Just pointing out that crappy animation is found everywhere, hell at this point Family Guy has better animation that South Park

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>>83209830
I'm pretty sure rwby is the lowest of the low m8
:^)

>>83209854
Really? Doesn't sound like his Sasuke voice at all, which is what most studios hire him to do.

>>83209870
thay got him to do it after the other guy left

>>83209859
No, that would be your pic.

>>83209910
Please stop embarrassing yourself.
its bad enough that you like rwby.

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>>83209936
wow so mad

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>This whole thread

Jesus, RWBY fans are really defensive and yet none of them can actually refute the criticisms.

>>83209936
Sorry I don't like your shallow as fuck shitty mecha genre deconstruction anime.

>>83208249
I don't really see what's the problem is.
The action is perfectly readable and there's impact. Even without the sound, you feel the power of the blows.

>>83209970
your favorite show is shit

>>83209855
>Just pointing out that crappy animation is found everywhere
Why? We all know that, but we're not talking about other shit shows, we're talking about this shit show.

>>83209971
>mecha genre deconstruction

Hopefully this is the dumbest post you've made.

>>83208279
The transition between the 2 characters is jarring and it's lacking a bit of impact, but it's smooth and more detailed that a lot of cartoon.

>>83210051
That's what Eva is. A deconstruction of the mecha genre, super robots in particular.

>>83209970
Not a single one of them has given any reason for us to watch so far, only shit on other anons and get very frustrated very quickly.
One of them has posted "u mad" more than once already in response to criticism, it's like we traveled 8 years back in time here.

>>83209186
>"This guy doesn't like my favorite webshow? Better go on a rant about what a burger flipping loser he is"

Christ.

>>83210079
You know it's true because anime blogs say it

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>>83210081
i dont shit if you watch it or not im just here to laugh and shitpost

>>83210112
You're certainly accomplishing one out of two there, anon.

>>83210079
>>83210093
Serious question: Is it though? I've heard many people talk about it that way but I also hear people saying that that's bullshit.

>>83210137
I think it's a show about damaged kids being used to fight unknowable monsters using slightly better-known monsters, and the interactions of the characters as they go through some shit.
I don't know what a 'deconstruction of mecha genre' would look like, or even describe, it just comes off as a lofty term that some people like to use to seem/feel smart.

>>83210137
Yes(?), because deconstructions are supposed to show the downsides/"reality" of the situation to tear down the premise. In that sense Eva is a deconstruction because it shows the psychological impact of putting the responsibility of thousands of lives on the shoulders of an emotionally compromised teenager. This strongly contrasts with a lot of giant mech series that mostly focus on how cool piloting a mech is and also gloss over the stress/responsibility that comes with being a "savior" figure.

>>83210184
I guess you could say it's like a mecha with more "realistic" characters i.e. Shinji isn't the brave, young protaginast but instead a scared kid with daddy issues.

>>83210237
Yeah that's what I figured, yet I've had arguments with people who adamantly argue against that.

>>83210237
Doesn't that just make it better-written?
Like, is a really good Superman comic automatically a 'deconstruction of superheros' if they write elements normally ignored or hand-waved?

>>83210246
That's fair I think, even for all the shit people give him for being a bitch, I don't know how much better I could've handled a quarter of that shit at 14.

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>>83210237
Well, most super robot show protagonists tend not to be emotionally compromised. Gai Shishioh for example, came to terms with the loss of his body, because he always wanted to serve mankind. He realized that as mankind's strongest cyborg he could do that better than he ever could have as an astronaut. I still find it weird that his english VA was the same guy that does Dean Venture's voice.

>>83210280
do it i want to see it fucking do it

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>>83210302

>>83210280
>Doesn't that just make it better-written?

Better is entirely a matter of opinion in this case.

>>83210237
>This strongly contrasts with a lot of giant mech series that mostly focus on how cool piloting a mech is and also gloss over the stress/responsibility that comes with being a "savior" figure

Gundam and Ideon, two of its biggest influences, did that more than decade before Eva.

>>83210311
i dont even know what we are talking about any more

>>83208268
>Holy shit, is that shit still relevant?
The fanbase continues to exist and support the company/series so RT has no reason to stop producing it.

>How did it even ever get popular?
RT already had an established fanbase, so did Monty Oum, the show's creator. When the fans heard they, RT/Monty, were coming out with something new they went to see what it was and found that they liked it because it fit their tastes. Additional fans were drawn in by the waifus/fights which, while not very good, were decent enough. After the third season things are looking better writing-wise and the animation is going to move to a better program, so now it's gone from "fun but shit" to "OK-ish".

>/co/ could make better shit with just four anons and a drawfag.
Potentially yes, but until a pilot for a competing show by Four Anons and A Drawfag Studios comes out the point is moot.

>>83208954
Ever think things are popular in nerd culture because nerds like them?

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>>83210322

You forgot one.

How does someone watch this without feeling embarassed?

>>83210444
Symphogear or RWBY? Same answer for both, by not giving a shit.

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>>83210444
>trips of truth

>>83210444
Same way first-timers watch mlp, too drunk to care anymore

>>83210464
Maybe you should give a shit. I don't think you need to watch artful or things that challenge you all the time (or even most of the time), but why demean yourself by wasting your time on RWBY?

>>83210444
I was ashamed at first but Ive come to love this shitty ahow with its shitty writting and terrible dialogue.

You come to accept and expect it, Anon. But it feela homely. Like a crap kids show made by red vs blue.

>>83210488
Maybe I should, but I don't. I enjoy it, so I watch it.

>>83210488
way give a shit what some Anonymous fucker in the internet thinks are you one of those betas that's scared to play games in public so the cool kids will like you

>>83210488
Cute girls fighting is my fetish.

>>83210444
watching RWBY is one of the least embarrassing things it's audience does

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>>83210507
I never 'got' red vs blue, was never a halo player and I feel like I just sort of watched that whole thing drive right past me while I did other stuff.

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>>83208974
>>83209020
>>83209135
>>83209186
>>83209312
>>83209383
>>83209409
>>83209444
>>83209500
>>83209690
>>83209729
>>83209746

>>83210378
>>83210322
I wish Tomino would occasionally slip back into Kill em' All mode.

>>83208249
Even tho I bought Symphogear figs and love the look even I can admit that it is also mostly piss. All the punch for punch no drawbacks makes me cringe super hard. It's just that RWBY is made of that same thing it's like a better animated stick video you used to watch on ebaums. Yuck.

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>>83209746
>stop trying to ruin our fun

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>>83210611
rick and morty opinion discarded

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>>83210644
Does that make this post a Fight Club opinion then? Or are you just wrong?

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>>83210674

>>83210237
>deconstructions are supposed to show the downsides/"reality" of the situation to tear down the premise.
That's not what deconstruction means at all. Are you one of those people who think Monogatari and Madoka are "deconstructions" too?

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>>83210727
Apology accepted, just be better next time, and not for me, but for yourself.

>>83210775
It's the definition that I know and most common one I've seen, so those 2 count in that regard. What definition are you going by and how do those 2 not count?

>>83210863
a deconstruction takes apart a work or genre and attempts to articulate all the different ways it can be interpreted

meanwhile Motogatari is a critique while Madoka is a subversion

>>83208268
RWBY has RT built in extremely large fanbase who basically eat anything up
Since Monty died Burnie has been doing his best to suck it dry with a 2nd Chibi show and like 3 games.

>>83210904
I guess I agree with you on them not being deconstructions, but I still wanna say that they have elements of deconstruction in them (i.e. the Witches being violently shown as actual threats).

>>83211098
>elements of deconstruction in them
>the Witches being violently shown as actual threats

Just stop. How does that even make sense?

>>83208249
>
May need to see a doctor about your shit eyesight

>>83208249
>>83208279
No pls go back to Symphogear, it's better.

>>83208279
This is actually very good; especially for an amateur. What's killing RWBY's choreography is the camera work. The camera work is sterile, and it takes away so much impact.

If you took, say, Mad Max Fury Road's music and made the camera almost as completely fixed like in RWBY, it would be one of the most dull and boring things you would ever watch.

That said, I don't watch RWBY BECAUSE of the camera work. Like, you would THINK Monty would get someone to help work on the camera angles or something.

>>83210923
>like 3 games
>only 1 game being made

>>83209363
He never said that he liked it you fucking idiot. He just said that people liked it.

>>83214532
>Like, you would THINK Monty would get someone to help work on the camera angles or something.

Not really his department anymore, considering he is dead.

I agree with your point though, if your camera work is poor then your audience will have difficulty engaging with the scene, regardless of how cool the choreography is.

>>83216874
Exactly. I've recently watched the first episode, and most of the cringe for me is the camera work and how it starts off like a teenager's wet dream of a story they wrote after watching the animes. But once I was able to convince myself to stop judging it like a 'professional' series you'd see on TV, I'm able to look past it and actually see the charm of the show.

Not to the level many do, but, I get it.

>>83216952
The bright side is that it basically does start at the very bottom and has gradually been improving on almost all fronts since then.

It's sort of like you encounter something that first looks like hardened shit, but over time you see glints of something that might be a gemstone if you polish it enough.

Personally I'm hoping it will maintain it's popularity and become legitimately good in it's own right. It could influence a trend, as there's not many successful independent animated action series in the west at the moment (there aren't even many successful animated actions series at all in the west currently) and if it does I'd prefer the trend to be for good quality content.

>>83208268
Why would you reply to your own thread?

>>83208279
Is there some glaring issue I'm missing? This looks better than 50% of jap shit and 100% of American shit.

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>>83218320
Taste evidently

>>83218591
If you don't know why you hate it then why do you?

>>83218609
Because its limp and flaccid.

Nothing looks like it has an ounce of weight to it and is basically just animu flailing.

>>83218737
But it's still fairly smooth and well choreographed. What current American cartoon would you compare it unfavorably to?

>>83218320
How far does your head need to be stuck up your ass to think that looks good? Get over yourself. It looks like shit. I don't care if you like it, but the animation looks like garbage. The only American show that Rwby is better than is the Power Puff Girls reboot.

>>83219492
Dude, you're pathetic. All I did was said it looks fine, and that sends you into an autistic rage. You can't even refute this post >>83219492

Why do you care so much that people like something you don't?

>>83219732
Sorry, I meant you can't refute this >>83218802.

>>83219732

I will be the first on telling you that I hate that show just based in the animu look that the characters have and even I agree that the animation looks good.

I get it, /co/ is filled with buthurt people that want to hate everything so it doesn't matter trying to bring lame shit like ''logic''

>>83208315
> Waifus

That, and the music is great in the cheesiest way possible.

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>>83219732

>>83218320
It doesn't flow very well. It looks like it's a good fight scene that's unfinished, like it was stopped right before the final tweaks could be put in. The characters movements are jerky and weightless. The camera randomly moving around doesn't help. More interesting camera angles could be helpful, or at least camera movements that are more in sync with the impacts of the blows.

It's a well choreographed sight and I do think it looks cool, but it also just looks unfinished. It has a lot of the same flaws as RWBY's non-action scenes, just to a less noticeable extent because there's so much movement going on to distract you.

>>83208279
That looks like an entertainingly over the top fight scene though.

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Why did RWBY continue when Monty Oum died?

>>83219947

No anon, you are meant to only like weaboo shit like the OP webm with characters that look like shit and ''muh pedo baiting bullshit''

>>83219941

Monty was all about getting the point across than doing final tweaks so that could explain a lot

>>83220013

It makes RT money and they had things somewhat planned for volume 3 so better to keep it going for now, make more money and invest into new IP so another one can take off.

Afterwards they can end RWBY or keep it going but I don't see it ending till maybe volume 5 or 8

>>83220013
I think all but the voice acting was finished for season 3.

I could be wrong though.

>>83220190

I think they started animating volume 3 after his death as stated in Shane's letter

>>83219863
I actually think that everything about the show is bad except for the fight scenes, and in volume 3 the fights aren't great either. But /co/ is just full of morons who can't handle the idea that something they're supposed to hate might have some good qualities.

>>83219899
If you can't even explain your own opinions then you're an idiot.

>>83219941
Thank you, I can see where you're coming from.

>>83217139
I felt season 2 was by far the worst so far

But yeah, a lot of elements of the show that aren't actually the show are appealing

>all this criticism over the animation
Funny enough, NOBODY has provided any examples of Western media from the same time period that's superior.
It's a piece of shit, but the only piece of shit animated better than anything else on the market right now.

>>83220317
>this thread has been up for over 10 hours

The fact that you stay and defend this shit is beyond me. You must have some form of autism.

>>83209186

Their is no shame in honest work kiddo, try again.

>>83220408
For certain values of "better", sure.

>>83220408
The only thing this show has better animation than is the PPG reboot, which another Anon already mentioned. I couldn't care less about the plot, waifus, or any of the other elements in the show, but if you seriously think the animation in this is good then you have some issues. The animation alone is the only reason I won't touch this.

>>83209446
I saw it in theatres.

Complaints
>Drek only existed to have a twist
>Spent too little time developing characters, setting, etc.


I'm sure other people had more issues, but these were the biggest for me. Ratchet and Quark easily got the most screentime and development, leaving Clank and the majority of the supporting cast out in the cold quite often, especially the other members of the Rangers, I don't even remember their names.


I'd give it a 6/10.

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>>83220524
Why the actual fuck are you legitimately comparing a fucking small time independent project made by nothing but amateurs to professional works made by experienced people who have been in the fucking field for decades?

You sound EXACTLY like those obnoxious faggots who compare sundance films to major theatrical releases. In fact, I'm willing to bet you are.

Stop treating this like it's a mainstream well funded 20 man team job made by professionals and get your head out of your ass. Let people enjoy something and quit being a fucking pissbaby because all you're used to seeing is major production results from the fucking 90s that had budgets comparable to major theatrical releases.

>>83220025
RWBY is the definition of weebshit.

>>83220408

Tron: Uprising and Motorcity.

I believe an important factor in making an effective fight scene is weight. There has to be a sense of weight behind the movements. The floaty balet style of fight scenes got popular because of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon and Matrix. Within the context of those movies they were awesome, but the style doesn't really translate well outside of those specific settings.

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>>83219492
>>83220524
>people actually defending NuPPG animation

>>83220694
>Why the actual fuck are you legitimately comparing a fucking small time independent project made by nothing but amateurs to professional works made by experienced people who have been in the fucking field for decades?
see
>>83220408
>Funny enough, NOBODY has provided any examples of Western media from the same time period that's superior.
Talk shit get hit.

>>83220839
>Defending nuPPG
>What is reading comprehension

I'm saying Rwby has better animation than nuPPG, but that's the only thing in America it's better than, you illiterate fuck.

>>83220694
>Why the actual fuck are you legitimately comparing a fucking small time independent project made by nothing but amateurs to professional works made by experienced people who have been in the fucking field for decades?

Because the person I replied to asked me to.
See >>83220408

Proof that this thread is nothing more than bait. The mods should tear this thread down.

>>83209378
>As long as Pyrrah comes back it's all good.
Wanting the worst possible outcome

>>83208279
meh, it's pretty good for MMD

>>83221075

I dont know if it's a fair comparsion as one is 2D and the other is 3D animation.

Unless PPG is now 3D or something

You ain't wrong though as I'm struggling to think of any western 3d animated show. Maybe something from nerd corp but that's canadian...

>>83220409
What? My only posts were
>>83218320
>>83218609
>>83219732
>>83220317
I can't believe how much of an idiot you are.

>>83221706
Sure buddy.

>>83221075
So you genuinely think that the mainstream shit like Adventure Time, TTG and Steven Universe is better than this? It's made on a shoestring budget and only one person on the team even knew what he was doing but it's still way better than that shit.

You're so butthurt that people like this show that you've gone completely delusional. Why does it make you so angry?

>>83220271
I forgot Shane's letter was a thing. A friend who follows Rooster Teeth outside of RWBY told me about it. RWBY is the only RT series I care about. Yeah, RWBY is flawed as hell, but eh. I like what I like. I could do without the rest of the fan base, desu.

>>83221933
How long have you been here? You're not OP, are you?

>>83221936
>Adventure Time
Compared to Rwby, it's a masterpiece.
>TTG
Fuck, I forgot that was a thing. Nah, TTG is shit.
>SU
I don't follow SU. But yeah, animation wise it's still better than Rwby.

There's a reason Rwby is on /trash/ friend.

>>83221976
>You're not OP, are you?
No, because I actually have a life. I can't spend my every waking moment on 4chan.

>>83210563
Source?

>>83222143
>No, because I actually have a life.
Dude, you've spent the last few hours insulting strangers on the internet because you're enraged that they like a cartoon you dislike. You don't have a life.

>>83222278
First post I made was an hour ago. Nice try though.

>>83222270
Overlord

>>83222462
Sure buddy.

Can I just like the show or do I need to always justify my tastes?

>>83221964

Shrug no worries man, you're aware that it's flaw and its okay to like it.

I've met people who refused to see any flaws in it and any kind of critism was met with "it's that style"

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>>83222547
ebin

>>83222505
Sigh
>watch Overlord for a few episodes
>think "hey this is a pretty interesting idea"
>suddenly several episodes about him as an adventurer that end up not mattering at all
>look it up
>realize it's based on a light novel
>realize the show is going to end with no resolution of any kind and the main plot won't move forward at all
Why do I keep falling for this

>>83222733
Yeah, it was pretty bad. Watched the whole, the ending was pretty boring.

>>83222733
I read summaries of the rest of the series just because I wanted to know what happens... as of the latest book, he apparently still hasn't met anyone from the old game and it's basically just become "nice guy pretending to be evil guy while minions go about their business" with no real intention of moving the plot forward.

So his whole plan to make the name of his guild famous in hopes of attracting other players who might also be stuck has been completely forgotten. Apparently he also has shown no interest in finding out why any of this even happened to begin with.

To be perfectly honest I understand that in terms of presentation, yeah RWBY has had some shit animation but it's also had some decent moments, and you have to take into account that it's also done independently without an massive budget or time.
I would just say if you want to watch it watch, if you don't then don't. If you don't know then just watch like the first three or so episodes and figure it out yourself. You like it or you don't. I'm not gonna sit here and try to convince you to watch if you don't want to be convinced.
I like it, so I watch it.

>>83222860
I dont know what summaries you are reading man. In the last book he took over a country and killed I think 70000 men from the army of another country himself, which itself was an attempt to draw out any other players that might be hiding there.

>>83219863
> /co/ is filled with buthurt people that want to hate everything so it doesn't matter trying to bring lame shit like ''logic''

Says the guy who claims to hate a show because of how it looks.

>>83222969
>In the last book he took over a country and killed I think 70000 men from the army of another country himself, which itself was an attempt to draw out any other players that might be hiding there.
I must've missed that one. Either way, the plot's still not advancing if we're on book 8 or 9 and he's still doing the "w-well maybe if I do this someone from the old game will show up?" thing with no results.

>>83208279
Are those gunchucks? What the hell happens in this show?

Anyone who honestly thinks RWBY has genuinely good animation is full of shit. I know people who are fans of the show yet can still admit that the animation is garbage

inb4 "what have you made" and "I doubt you could do better"

>>83209970
okay, I'm not the biggest RWBY fan but I'll gladly reute your criticisms. What exactly are they?

>>83223128
It doesn't take itself too seriously.
Plus who doesn't love over the top weapons every once in a while? As long as they don't try to pretend it could ever work in reality I'm fine with it.
I'm also a huge ancient and medieval combat nerd. Not a professional historian and I've barely done mock fencing, but I'm pretty confident in my ability to point out bullshit and I still enjoy the combat.

>>83223108
People from the game probably wont show up. They seem to pop up every couple hundred years or so so most of the rest that did show up probably died of old age. You get hints about them sometimes though, like the minotaur sage that tried to invent shit from the real world but didnt know how they worked and the descendants of player characters being way stronger than the natives.

He killed a giant evil tree from the game once though.

>>83220013
blood sacrifice made the show better

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>>83220408
Literally, unironically scooby doo.

And it's proper animation as opposed to basically a shitty videogame cutscene you can't skip.

>>83223462
Is shaggy a secret badass that just has a crippling fear of the supernatural or something?

>>83223555

Yeah, the webm was him being hypnotized to have no fear of anything, but not being afraid of things doesn't suddenly make you a badass fighter so that's on him.

He also apparently races motorcycles too.

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>>83209020

>>83223462
If you think that this is more technical than say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hLjX5pZv48 you are retarded. But for comparisons sake one of Ruby's critical flaws is that it's a 3D show that's animated like a 2D show. RWBY would look much better if it took a page from pokemon.

>And it's proper animation as opposed to basically a shitty videogame cutscene you can't skip.

Never got the anti CG craze. waaaaah it's not what I grew up with waaaaah. kinda sad.

>>83208249
One of the things I liked about Symphogear is that Hibiki HAD to learn how to fight before she started to pull the karate moves. It was a nice detail.

>>83223625
That was a surprisingly good Scooby-Doo movie.

>>83223757
CG can be fine but a lot of it is really just not good. Not that guy but you really cant argue that RWBY isnt badly animated. Not that the guys doing it have the resources to do it well but still.

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>>83223757
God, that looks like such shit. The voice acting for the one with the scythe was really bad too. The guy with the cane wasn't so bad.

>>83223913
Gotta have some stones to fight people with lightsabers with an axe.

>>83223848

It'll slowly get better seeing how the main people making it shit before (monty himself) isn't involved anymore.

Hopefully animation won't be as stiffed as he is now

>>83224004
Guy's hopped up on Force steroids, basically

>>83223913
>The voice acting for the one with the scythe was really bad too.
In their defense, the budget is so low that they have to get Rooster Teeth staffers to do the voices.

But yeah, the voice acting is bad and Ruby sounds like a grown woman trying to sound like a congested little girl.

>>83223848
>CG can be fine but a lot of it is really just not good.
What makes a lot of it "not good". CG is superior to 2D on every front to the point that most of the 2D in existence has to integrate it to not be obsolete.

>Not that guy but you really cant argue that RWBY isnt badly animated.
I told you it's using a flawed animation technique by imitating anime. It's not beautiful but it's not objectively bad. Just flawed.

>>83223913
That was some very well placed and totally valid criticism. Truly a patrician of the arts.

>>83224155
>What makes a lot of it "not good"
The fact that its being done by a bunch of amateurs without much experience and probably not great tools for one thing.

>>83224150
The newest season started getting some professional VAs involved (most of the main cast is sadly still the same), and it apparently caused some butthurt behind the scenes.

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>>83209854
>that one flashback to when Salem first met him
>she shows up at the house and finds it burning down
>Mercury hobbles over with his fucked up legs
>"YEEEAAAH! WHO WON THE LOTTERY? I DID!

>>83224252

Only butthurt one is Shane from what it sounds like

>>83224233
>without much experience and probably not great tools for one thing.
amateurishly done also looks terrible. your point?

>>83224331
It makes it not good because the people animating it arent good at it.

>>83224368
This also applies to 2D

>>83224386
No one said it didnt but people are generally better at 2D by now then they are at 2D.

>>83208249
Fuck that I'm going to post two good fight scenes. One for the /co/ only folk, one for the rwby folk
https://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg
https://youtu.be/OZLs7v-9M6g

>>83224539
Which is for the RWBY folk? I doubt most of them have watched Jojo.

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>>83218802
Korra had better action scenes by leaps and bounds, dragging 3d models at one another blankly results in the stilted sterile mess that RWBY action is.

>>83224435
>people are generally better at 2D by now then they are at 2D.
There's no universal skill level for 2D as opposed to 3D. when compared on the same level CG>2D

>>83224618
It is much easier to find bad CG.

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aw man I thought we were having a Symphogear thread.

>>83223128
Every weapon is a gun in some form

>>83224645
Because it's easier for any middle schooler to obtain the tools to make a flash anim as opposed to the neccessary tools to properly animate CG. So naturally you can find more amateur 2D.

>>83224765
That doesn't refute my original point in any way.

>>83224784
And what was that?

My main issue with RWBY is its blatant usage of MMD assets. MMD assets, by default, aren't typically meant to be used for anything other than its 'dance' choreography, which is why its fight scenes look so damn janky and weightless. There's no impact in these battles because the models aren't technologically advanced. Sure, on paper, the choreography would look fine and you could probably do a decent job with it in any other given software-- fuck, something in Maya would look better and that program is trash. I get that RT are amateurish when it comes to animation, but should have years of experience by now so it 'should' be better than what it is but it's not.

>>83224807
CG can be fine but a lot of it is poor.

>>83223555
Trips of truth confirmed. Shaggy fears no man, but shits the bed when encountering a hungry skellington (or lack of munchies)

>>83224649
The third season was really mediocre, I hope a 4th season can bring back the quality.

>>83209830
South Park is a stylistic choice. It's done that way primarily to allow it to respond to political and social events in a week opposed to waiting months like the Simpsons and Family guy.

>>83224814

Dumb question but MMD use poser? I just presume that MMD is its own program or did you mean that Rwby assets look like they came from MMD?

>>83224954
They ripped the models straight from MMD.

>>83224932
The whole third season was worth it just for the bit where the mad scientist guy comes out of fucking nowhere and stops a missile.

>>83224991
Hibiki suplexing the shuttle was also pretty cool.

>>83225032
It had a few good moments alright.

>>83224855
2D is fine but a lot of it is poor.

>>83225077
Not untrue but there the majority is average at least while the same cant really be said for CG.

>>83224980

Not too surprising. Monty did make his career on using ripped game models for his animation.

would explain why his models never look beyond PS2 level of quality

>>83223128
One of the main character's has a sniper rifle that turns into a scythe.

The show if pants on head wall-to-wall anime cliches.

Now I have to ask, how many RWBY characters would it take to beat Hibiki?

Monty was a shit animator honestly. He never really improved beyond his old Halo 2 videos from 2004; he just piled more waifus on top of it to cover up all the weightless ninja-flipping andstiff animation.

Sucks he died though.

>>83225175

Did it have someone dying and coming back stronger or someone getting a new form of power level yet?

>>83225175
I'm far more forgiving of a scythe/rifle than fucking gun-nunchucks, that webm was the first thing I saw from RWBY and I couldn't believe that somebody spent time thinking it was a cool idea.

>>83209378
>wants Penny's murderer to come back

>Monty was a one-man animation studio
>Made some of the most popular fan animations of all time
>Helped Rooster Teeth transition into an animation studio, which in turn helped it grow into the huge company it is today
>Abruptly passes away due to medical complications
>Disgruntled animator that was fired from RT posts a 30+ page letter condemning the company and its employees
>Inadvertently sheds light on some of Monty's less nice tendencies
>Monty was most likely pussywhipped by his gf
>When RT wouldn't hire his gf to help with RWBY, he started working from home so he wouldn't be away from her
>Had plans to run off to LA with the RWBY IP with some of RT's employees, which is RT's most successful IP because they wouldn't hire his wife

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>>83225311
Not yet

>>83208279
I have nothing to contribute except that I'm about 90% sure I made that webm like 2 years ago

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Can we all just agree that this fight is amazing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JARVfb-FBg

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>>83225311
No, but it does involve piling on more and more powers that become increasingly retarded each time.

Seriously, I can buy into the whole magical maiden thing, but special eyes? come on

>>83225469

I don't know if he planned to take the IP and leave and I don't exactly trust the source of it if it's only the letter

>>83225675
>inb4 500 SU shitposts
Yes, that whole fight was phenomenal the first time I watched it, without the singing it would have been worse off I think

>>83225469
It's funny how when you're suddenly an artist/actor/celebrity/well known individual you're suddenly not allowed to make mistakes and people forget you're still a human being.
Yeah that's some greasy shit right there, but come on literally EVERYONE has some greasy shit in their lives.

>>83225675
The first cartoon I watched that made me feel like I was not the intended audience for was SU. People were hyping it up to be like early Adventure Time. I'm fine with others liking it but the fans want everyone to admit it's the best show ever.

>>83225675
Symphogear does it better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ICCCbPvx14

>>83225804
>The first cartoon I watched that made me feel like I was not the intended audience for was SU
Weird, it's the only kids' cartoon I've watched where I felt like kids were not the intended audience.

>>83208279
It kind of lacks weight. It feels more like these characters are dancing rather than trying to kill each other.

>>83225777
I am in agreement with you. Considering the letter opened with the employee admitting he has severe depression, and who recently got a divorce and hadn't seen his children, I think the whole perspective is a little skewed. Especially considering that the only people that acknowledge the letter are people let go from RT, and that when those employees were let go from RT, it coincided with the RWBY pipeline becoming much cleaner and more professional.

>>83225793
I'm not saying he wasn't allowed to make mistakes, I'm saying the letter only put Monty in a bad light.

>ITT: You can't enjoy something I don't enjoy and some fellow rubetards thinking they need to defend their tastes from others on an anonymous Martian etch a sketch image board.
>Also a pretty sweet webm of Shaggy kicking ass.

>>83225951

I say the letter served two purposes which was to martyr monty and for whatever reason get sheena back in the Spotlight

It's pretty bloody strange when Shane mentions sheena 33 times but his wife twice.

>>83226083
>Martian etch a sketch image board
>not using 4chan to discuss your favorite Mongolian smoke signals

>>83226196
>not an ecuadorian agricultural forum
How the fuck am I supposed to grow squash for the third fucking year in loamy soil? None of you are helpful in the least.

>>83226196
Go back to your containment board Finland.
Also
>Smoke Signal Saiyan Beyond Smoke Signal Saiyan is fucking retarded.

>>83225675
...I should watch SU more often

>>83226470
It's not a bad show. I stayed away from it for a while because its fanbase was poisonous as fuck and its haters declared it to be "SJW TUMBLR PATREON LIVEJOURNAL RADICAL FEMINISM" and so on, but I gave it a shot out of boredom and I found myself liking it.

>>83226521
I have one friend who's into it, but he only fan boys about it if I bring it up first, which is nice.

I've watched two episodes once when I was visiting my dad. (I live on my own with no cable, just rabbit ears). They were what I could only call filler, which weren't too bad.

>>83226638
The first, I dunno, 20 or so episodes could be called filler, but in the context of later episodes counts more as worldbuilding. I appreciate how things sort of start slow with the viewer as in the dark about things as Steven, so when shit starts hitting the fan the stakes feel harsher than the earlier monster-of-the-week stuff.

/RWBYG/ lurker here
Everyone is just in it for the waifu's, shipping, and some nice fights
Everyone already agrees it's shit. always have.


Ocatavian a shit.

I watch it high, so the animation issues are not apparent, the music is cool and shit is colorful and hype so I enjoy it.

>>83226765
I don't mind a little world building, or being in the dark. I like to come up with head canons. They usually get debunked or if they come true, all the better

>>83226521

It may not be straight-up "Tumblr: The Animated Series", but there's a certain element to it that doesn't sit well with people used to older styles of storytelling. And it's not the addition of lesbian-esque, "body-positive" or "P0C" characters; making the characters space lesbian rocks isn't as bad as turning them into emotional crybabies. Like the latest episode.

>"OMG I'M SO GAY I CAN'T STOP BEING GAY IT'S GONNA MAKE US LOSE THE GAME" t. ruby and sapphire

Take another tumblr favorite, Undertale: More blandly overt, 'tell, don't show', too on the nose attempts at drama. But I guess that's what people want nowadays: "MUH FEELS"

>>83226129
Be careful not to look too deep into Sheena if you want to avoid getting angry.

>>83227515

I already looked into her so I know what you mean.

I do get amuses as Shanes letter states how professional and qualified she is to work at RT but nothing she does shows that

>>83226983
The explanations of things are handed out very sparingly in SU, leaving Steven (and the viewer) to guess at much that the other characters already know. Several fan-theories from earlier on have been shown to be correct, others have been cast aside, but if you like the suspense of figuring out the things you aren't told right away, you'd probably enjoy the show.
Personally, I just ignored its existence when it first showed up like I do for most kids cartoons, but happened to watch the first two episodes with my little sister and got hooked by the end of the Light Cannon one.

>>83214532
I think the camera is too jittery actually, I like fixed cameras because you can actually tell what the fuck is going on.

I'm not a fan of RWBY but I can't really slag it either. It's a bunch of amateur animators cobbling together what they can using Poser of all things.

>>83223129
Do better and post it faggot.

A critic that can't do it better than the person he's criticizing is worthless.

>>83225804
>The fans want everyone to admit it's the best show ever.

Most of those are trolls because it's guaranteed replies.

>>83224605
korra was animated by a south korean studio.. it hardly counts.

>>83228377
Why not? It's an american cartoon developed for americans. Is anything ever 100% in-house these days?

>>83225077
When 2D is poor it's at least watchable, while poor 3D looks like unwatchable garbage. I could watch an episode of South Park fine but could you watch an entire series of PS1 era graphics passing off as professional CG?

>>83228183
There are other reasons to dislike RWBY besides the limitations of it's budget.

The story sucks ass, too.

>>83227326
You mean the joke episode where they play a game of baseball against a bunch of idiot Rubys? The whole love thing with Sapphire and Ruby was played off as comedic. Don't get me wrong though I didn't really like the episode, I just think it was for laughs not to prove how progressive they are.

>>83208933
Right, we all forgot that you can't critique anything unless you can make it yourself. Just like how we can't critique movies, music, or any form of art unless we're able to do better on our own.
Seriously, these "don't say anything bad unless you can do better" posts are just plain ignorant.

>>83209261
Please look up the definition of a logical fallacy

>>83209690
Because the animation looks so bad. No offense to fans of the show, the quality of the animation is terrible, and it really just knocks me right out of it

>>83209760
You don't hear anybody bragging about how amazing the fight scenes are in South Park

>>83229775
Because South Park has no redeeming qualities

>>83225225

She can kill every character in the RWBY universe at once with ease.

>>83229557
>>83229622

Idiots

>>83229557
>>83229622
You're not supposed to seriously respond to such obvious shitposting, anons, you just let it go unanswered and ignored.

>>83220025
>characters that look like shit and ''muh pedo baiting bullshit'

Umm. That's RWBY in a nutshell.

>>83218320

Wow, you're retarded.

>>83231121

Most characters do look like some original character plz do not steal commissions on deviantart for an AU HunterxHunter/Naruto fanfic. Not even sure how some of them were remotely approved.

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>>83231227
I like the pretty redhead one, but I guess she's dead now or whatever.

>>83208249
I want Hibiki to fist me

>>83229829
>I don't understand that comedy is subjective and satire takes perspective I lack, so it's got nothing of value

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>>83231402
top tier taste right there, m8

So funny thing about this, it reminds me of that moment over on /a/ where everyone was losing their shit (or not, you really can't tell over there anymore) about how Miyazaki suggested that anime artists don't actually know how to draw anything but anime. They see anime, they immitate anime, make their own version of anime, but don't focus that much on how to draw an actual human being, with correct proportions and everything.

I'm going to guess because nobody on RWBY's crew knows anything about how to fight. They've spent years watching video games and cartoons and other people fighting in videos, and they can make a really cool looking fake fight, but they can't actually make a fight that convinces you there's bodily harm going around. Shit, remember how much work went into Avatar, and their fight scenes? How just about everyone on the project spent time learning the different fighting styles and then applying what they actually knew to the final product? That's why RWBY's fighting is so weak. It's years of watching a punch, and knowing what a punch looks like (or sword, or gun, fucking whatever) but never actually taking the time to learn how the body feels and reacts while in motion. It makes the tripple flips and the wild spinning scythe moves come off as kind of chintzy and not very impressive.

On an unrelated note, I always thought it was funny how they had to crib items from other projects and people (like how catgirls sword has GLOCK written on the side), and how the background is flat and uninteresting... but if it's a robot, a space ship, a swordpistolskateboard, something with cool technology shit, you can see they spent a shiload of time on it.

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>>83225675
I mean, it was alright. But if it didn't have the semi mediocre song, it would be sub par for an action sequence.

>>83231768
I'd laugh, if it was ever funny

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>>83231781
I watched the webm of her death and have to question how in the fuck an arrow disintegrates then reforms mid-flight. Was that an established power of the fire-woman or a total asspull?
I don't even watch the show or know the characters but seeing pretty-redhead bite it still somehow made me angry.