You lied to me /co/ >27% I finally got around to seeing it

27% does not mean the movie was a 2.7/10. It means 27% of reviews were positive, they're two different things.

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>>83059147

Lots of people enjoyed it.

Unfortunately those people aren't most critics and reviewers, plus it definitely isn't for everyone.

I personally fucking loved it and it's my favorite cape movie and I think the second best cape movie made. Plus it has the best live-screen version of Batman on film and actually embraces the idea of Superheroes being mythical without any irony.

>>83059305

Also, something else which I think is important for understanding the reviews/critics disliking it is that MOST of the professional reviewers and critics are American, and Americans don't like the idea of Superman not embracing the American dream.

>>83059251
>implying I don't know how rotten tomatoes works.
All I said was 27% calm down. And no it doesn't mean 2.7/10 it's means about every 3 people in 10 who saw it (and review it) liked it, which is still pretty terrible.

>>83059147
Movie would have been better after months of thoughtful editing
No WW nor JL cameos
No Doomsday
Have Superman be optimistic, inspiring

Have Superman actually debate his point of view instead of just moping to Lois

End the fight with a better excuse other than the Martha ptsd thing

Have them teamup againts luthor in krytonyte powered armor instead of introducing another antagonist

Bam. Just fixed most of it.

I liked the batman parts, superman was blandy bland and mopy, lois lane was there to be fucked and state the obvious, Wonder Woman's line reading was terrible but the physical performance was alright, the JL cameos were badly hamfisted, the BvS part was disappointing and the reason why they stopped fighting made me actually laugh mostly because lois had to say it out loud, Doomsday being Nuclear Man from Supe IV was also lel. The whole style of the film screamed I LIKE THE WATCHMEN A LOT! GET IT!
5/10 Snyder pls go

>>83059147
BvS was a masterpiece.

>>83059147
Superman was weirdly money, Lex had no reason to be there, it was paced awkwardly, Jimmy Olsen was murdered before anyone even said his name out loud, entire scenes were completely and utterly pointless, and Batman fucking sends Wonder Woman an email with a Justice League trailer in it.

>>83059305
I was seriously impressed by batflek actually I had a lot of doubts. I thought henry Cavail as superman was gonna steal the show after him being the best part of MoS but I was surprised, as I was with many things this movie.

They really nailed showing batman/superman as two sides of the same coin and showing superman's descent from god to man, while at the same time rising up batmans holier than thou qualities throughout the movie really making me question the whole who is really the god/man/demon. I think that's something that people who complain about how short they fought for, you can't fight your other half forever, you eventually half to accept it.

>>83059706
Fuck. Mopey, not money.

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>>83059147
BvS WAS GRAET!
CAN'T WAIT TIL SNYDER IS FIRED!

It's like DC friends have been raped retarded by the last two Superman movies.

>>83059514
>bam just fixed most of it

More like bam just completely changed the movie into a shitty fan fic

>>83059514
>Have Superman be optimistic, inspiring
>Have Superman actually debate his point of view instead of just moping to Lois
The whole doomsday thing could be skipped but those points would require to fire the director.

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>>83059403
>Americans don't like the idea of Superman not embracing the American dream.

Yes, because at that point he's NotSuperman.
People are surprisingly ok with movies that are clearly NotSuperman.

>>83059147
>I'd honestly like some opinions of anons who can say they objectively didn't like it.
Then read any other goddamn thread and stop trying to be a fucking retarded special snowflake faggot

>>83059514
>Have Superman be optimistic, inspiring
>Have Superman actually debate his point of view instead of just moping to Lois
This is all I wanted desu

>>83059706
>>83059514
Superman was slowly becoming more and more depressed as the movie went on. People would praise him for saving one little girl and then a few days later a couple hundred people are bombed because of him. He keeps trying to help and only make things worse and he doesn't know if his point of view is right which is why he is so mopey and hardly ever defends himself verbally

>>83059941
Motherfucker I don't know what you're talking about. He never smiled through the whole goddamn thing.

Anytime he was actually saving people the score got all sad and shit too. Like i'm supposed to be... Sad that he's saving people?

>>83059514
It wouldn't even be the same movie at this point. How can they even be compared?

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>>83059941
And this is a frankly horrible idea for a Superman script.
Even worse than sulky deadbeat Dad Superman.

Will Snyder have him doing heroin and kryptonite next time?

>>83059147
>You lied to me /co/
All right fine, Candlejack isn't re

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Most of the time Superman just seemed like he had other things to do.

>>83060091
How? It's showing superman's more human side which is what I thought his whole thing with batman was about?

>>83059814
The movie is already a shitty fanfic.

>>83059147
Civil War just stole Lex character and called him Zemo

>>83060076
>It wouldn't even be the same movie
Yes, and?

>>83059147
tell that to zod's snapped neck

>>83059782

gee, I wonder if a neckbeard /tv/ poster is behind this one post.

>>83059854
Yes, and?

>>83060057
>Anytime he was actually saving people the score got all sad and shit too. Like i'm supposed to be... Sad that he's saving people?
Yeah, outside of a few exceptions, Superman should smile when he saves somebody.

>>83060199
Lex just stole the jokers personality and called himself a genius

>>83060188
"More human side" means a lot more than near constant moping.

>>83060057
>Sad


Take a look people, this is one of the trigger words that /tvirgins/ shitposters like to use a lot while shitposting.

''Lol, I'm a huge Batman fan and I'm really SAD about BvS! I mean Marvel won!!! what to do?''

Kill yourself virgin boy.

>>83060210
I know how to fix the movie, delete Batman, Lex, Superman, Lois, Ma Kent, Wonder Woman, and Doomsday. Add in Green Lantern, Wolverine, Spiderman, Booster Gold, and Shrek. Then they fight Magneto fused with Brainiac.

>>83060328
>being this triggered

>>83060260
/tv/ was praising this movie simply because they could make memes from it and started that "kino" shit

>>83060333
>they fight magneto fused with Braniac

Now this would make for a good movie

>>83060210

muh ''not the movie I would have made'' criticism, eat shit and die /tvirgin/ piece of cuck

I loved but I just don't care. People have different tastes, and this time my opinion was different from the majority.

>>83060357
This. When /tv/ and their patron saint Armond White declare something to be a masterpiece you should at least start getting worried.

When Superman descended from the sky with an heavenly glow behind him i almost choked on my popcorn from laughing.
Also that DBZ dub tier of making sure to the audience is aware that no one is in the battle zone was funny to me.

>>83060357
>/tv/ was praising this movie

No way, a ton of virgins were maing hate threds daily weeks before the movie was released and jumping on all the bandwagons.

>the movie last like 2 and a half ours!!!! Like most superheroe movies but lets complain regardless!
>They are showing too little in the first trailer and is too serious!
>They are showing too much in the second trailer and is too comedic!!
>They are showing the whole movie in the third trailer and now the movie doesn't know if it wants to be funny or serious!!!

>>83060465

oh look its another /tv/ shitposters spouting buzzwords!

Isn't this a school night, young faggot?

>>83060465
You must post a reply if Marvel or Disney hurt you or touched you in a bad way.

>>83060179
Deadpool is a better symbol of hope than Superman at this point.

>>83060503
that was fast. where were you touched?

>You lied to me /co/
>27%

Isn't that the score? when did /co imply that wasn't the score?

>>83060465

>and the slightest inference against them is met with shrill screams of rape.

Wow because that's exactly what you're doing.

It's almost like Marvelcucks are the ones in abusive relationships and any challenge to the casual quipfests that cape movies are expected to be forces them to scream and cry.

>>83059814
I removed most of thr movie's poorly executed parts and hamfisted mistakes in order to create a mote focussed product, but by all means, go on and tell me how youtube cameos, cheap cgi monsters and teenage-edgy pseudo philosophic dialogues are better than my fanfic

>>83059854
The same director had Clark actually (poorly) debate shit like this in MoS. Why dif Snyder took Superman two steps back on his character development?

>>83059941
Sad thing is, he already was over that crap, he kept saying he was no omnipotente god, just a guy from kansas wanting to do good

Lex's chidish stunts, college level politics and a crazy vigilante on a bat mask shouldnt change it. I'm all in favour of nerfing power levels, but not personalities

They should call the movie Batman's bitch: Superman. Because you can tell from his 43 lines he was never treated as Bruce's equal>>83059941

>>83060565

in the heart, thanks based Snyder! I needed that after the shit show that was Age of Ultron.

>>83060663
Funny, you can talk shit about AoE and I won't fall on the floor whimpering.

>>83060638

>/tv/ shitposter gets btfo
>lol crybabies mod pls delete

>>83060638

Anon, let me tell you one thing.

Yesterday while I was getting my dick sucked by my GF, she reminded me about my V for Vendetta mask.

Unrelated to the thread, but I know that /tvirgins/ get pissed as hell when they hear about somebody else getting laid, so there you go.

>>83060594
>BvS
>A challenge
You have a strange definition of the word given that BvS is literally a late night talk show punch line.

>>83059147
the problem was it was merely a ok movie. it was batman and superman, it should have been fantastic

The sad thing is there are parts of BvS that work, its just bogged down by shit editing and other glaring issues. I feel like everything was thrown at a wall to see what sticks. Parademons with a Darkseid tease, Flash running from the future, Wonder Woman debuting, all of these things should envoke excitement. But instead it felt disjointed, a constant reminder that "a better movie is on its way!" I hope Ben knows he's great in this and doesnt get discouraged

>>83060663
Well when you produce a dozen movies in the time it makes DC to make two, it's understandable if one isn't really up to par.
However were still waiting for DC to claw its way up to being as good as Age of Ultron

>>83059890

Then why isn't he embracing being a part of the American Dream in the following Superman comics:

>All Star Superman
>Superman Birthright
>Superman For Tomorrow

Seriously, there's this massive disconnect for Superman fanboys.

>>83060692
>and I won't fall

are you one of those people that take personal offense or relate taste in movies with people getting angry?

you have problems, dude, like stop being a virgin problems.

>>83060451
Its too late to back down now bro. We all know where the "capekino" meme came from.

>>83060727

>reading comprehension

Do you know what it is to challenge an idea? or to challenge the norm? It doesn't matter, I'm just shocked you got this far in to the thread without posting Martha! or some other /tv/ forced meme.

>>83059147
> I hope Ben knows he's great in this and doesnt get discouraged
I think he knows. He is already signed up for more movies than any other actor in the DCCU

>>83060766
>We all know where the "capekino" meme came from.

Yeah, from retards /tvirgins/, we all know that.

It means movie in german, it doesn't even make sense.

Memes by 10 year olds, that's what happens

>>83060785
To be fair, Ben's career at this point was cashing very tiny paychecks for low budget work.
He needs this WB money for his future project ideas.

>>83060749
He does embrace it in Birthright. It depends on how you define the whole "American Dream" thing.

I've stopped caring about these movie specifically because I have those comics for muh Superman. Maybe in another 20 years I'll get a movie with him in it.

>>83060730

I think there's definitely something here. I think people had these weird expectations from Batman v Superman which could never reach their hype. I think people somehow thought that it was also going to be nothing like Man of Steel, which is really fucking dumb.

I personally really enjoyed Batman v Superman, but I understand it isn't for everyone. It's a very fucking dense film with a lot of shit going on and doesn't really allow you to linger on anything before jumping to the next part. I totally dig that not everyone is going to enjoy that but I really did.

I personally like the idea of Superman having doubts. I loved Ben Affleck's Batman, and Gal Gadot made me really excited for Wonder Woman.

Something, for me at least, is that Batman v Superman got me really excited for the rest of the DCEU which is something none of the Marvel movies have done thus far (barring Civil War made me kind of excited for Black Panther, but that's cause Black Panther was probably the only good part of Civil War).

>>83060919
>It's a very fucking dense film

You seem to have this confused with "poorly edited" and "nonsensical characterization".

Also, this is a BvS thread, no one gives any real fucks what your opinion of the Marvel movies are.

>>83060919
The fact that Batman refused to brand Lex gives me hope that the members of the Justice League which haven't joined yet will be real heroes instead of murderers.

>>83060780
I know what is to challenge an idea and a norm.
I also know that BvS fails at it so spectacularly that it's become a dreaded real life meme and now people are going 'Well maybe the new Ghosbusters won't be as bad as BvS".

The fact is that you're too busy whining bout shills and Disney conspiracies to realize that nobody gives a shit about any of the stuff you're saying they do. They'll see any movie so long as it's good. This wasn't.

>>83060969
Yeah, Island Savage Aquaman really gives me that non-killer vibe.

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Here's why I hated it.
>The reason they fought was kinda dumb.
If Superman was nearly as blood thirsty as >Bruce thought he was, why did he basically announce that he was planning to fight him with the "Do you bleed?" bit.
>The Dream sequence was thrown in for the trailer and nothing else.
>The Flash Appearing in the dream.
>Shoehorning in The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg.
>Lois Lane could have been cut from the Movie entirely and it would've been better for it.
>Batman should have retrieved the spear, while Superman fought Doomsday.
>Doomsday looks like a Micheal Bay Ninja Turtle. But somehow even worse.
>The Reason they became friends was laughable.
>Wonder Woman read her Email and was like "Yeah, Okay. I'll fight along side you guys" and that was all she did. See my comment on Lois lane.
>Lex was creepy and immature. He basically committed sexual assault with a Jolly Rancher and was really vulgar with the Jar of Piss.
>That stupid scene on top of the mountain where Clark talked to his Pic Related.
All that said, it still looked cool. So points where they are earned, I guess.

>>83060991
I was taking more about Cyborg and Flash. Aquaman has probably killed a few people, but who knows?

>>83060964
>You seem to have this confused with "poorly edited" and "nonsensical characterization".
That's because it's impossible to like this movie and actually understand and address the complaints levied against it. They're mutually exclusive thought processes.

>>83059147
The movie is a least a 6/10. It's below average but not atrocious like many critics made it out to be. It's a dumb movie that's marginally better than other dumb movies but not fun enough to be a good movie at the same time.

>>83060969
Why?

>>83060991

It's not a far cry to assume Flash and Cyborg would both have issues with killing, Wonder Woman would too but would be willing to cross that line.

Aquaman will most likely not be a killer in the movie. Even if he isn't adverse to it I can see him realizing the political weight of the king of the sea coming to the surface world and murdering its people.

>>83060076
That's the point. The movie has fundamental flaws. It is so fucked it would require entire script rewrites to right the wrongs. There are good pieces there, even some potential, but it's squandered by a less than adequate script and plot. Batman was done well, minus his stupidity at times, and the cast was well chosen. Most of the problems fall on Zack Snyder and WB. It's especially frustrating when every problem is so easily fixed.

>>83061045
I'm sorry, but you said "fun" so your opinion must be disregarded. Only babies and shills want to have fun at the movies.

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>>83061010
Snyder is a well-recognized master of beautifully filmed Shit at this point.

And for some of our friends, dank visuals are enough. They can tell themselves they indulged in something DEEP later on the internets.

>>83060879

I don't think so, he directed and co-writed the a picture that won multiple Oscar awards, that alone gives him some cred to keep directing and he always was a small budget kind of director.

>>83060879

Are you serious?

In Gone Girl he was praised for his acting, and all the movies he's directed (Gone Baby Gone, The Town, and Argo) have all been critically acclaimed.

In early interviews he sad part of the reason he agreed to do Batman v Superman was because he wanted to learn more about directing big budget movies, and probably because his contract including him making a Batman movie (or movies).

Ben Affleck didn't chose to do Batman v Superman because he needed it for his career, it's because him making Batman movies will make his directing career even bigger.

>>83060989

>now people are going 'Well maybe the new Ghosbusters won't be as bad as BvS".

One quote you shit poster. I want to see one single person who isn't you who has said "Hey Batman v Superman sucked, I bet Ghostbusters will be alright"

>too busy whining bout shills and Disney conspiracies

I haven't even brought this up. I'm not some tinfoil hat wearing moron.

>They'll see any movie so long as it's good. This wasn't

But it was. It made a hell of a lot of money and most of the people who went to see it enjoyed it. It had a terrible opening reception due to the critics but majority enjoyed it.

>>83061165
Critical Acclaim =/= paying for my Malibu Mansion.
>>83061165
>In early interviews he sad part of the reason he agreed to do Batman v Superman was because he wanted to learn more about directing big budget movies
ie, Getting paid for a change.

>>83060749
Or Superman: Red Son, where they flipped the script and Superman landed in the Soviet Union.

I got to say, Im bummed out about the current DCEU state right now. I hope they pull it around, because I hate the feeling of "oh good a ___ movie......hope they dont fuck this one up." I really want to like BvS, theres good stuff there, but damn does the bad overshadow it.

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>>83061183
>and most of the people who went to see it enjoyed it.
It has lower audience favorability than The Incredible Hulk. (appropriately).

>>83061183
>One quote you shit poster. I want to see one single person who isn't you who has said "Hey Batman v Superman sucked, I bet Ghostbusters will be alright"
The Nightly Show, the episode that aired on May 2 2016. When I said that the movie was a late night talk show punch line I was being literal. I was, however, paraphrasing. The exact joke has more to do with sjw bs but it's still BvS as the zinger and the go to association for "this year's bad movie".

>>83061183
It had good visuals. Everything else was a fucking mess.
People liking it =/= good.
People Liked the Smurfs and it was crap.
People Liked Alvin and the Chipmunks and it was crap.
People Liked Keanu and it only has one joke.

Fun Fact: The General Movie Audience is kind of fucking dumb.

>>83060969

I agree. I'm pretty sure that's kind of the point of Batman refusing to brand Lex, but people just wanna call out:

>Tell that to Zod's snapped neck

Every complaint I've heard about Batman v Superman seems incredibly knee-jerky, and doesn't appear like they actually want to look at anything in the film.

>>83060964
I can totally understand that people don't like the editing, for me it worked cause it felt like a fever-dream in a good way. When I first walked out of the theatre I knew I liked it but also knew a lot of other people wouldn't like it.

As far as the comparison to Marvel movies is concerned it's just a natural reaction. What I was saying is that the second DC movie made me interested in what's to come later, whereas basically none of the Marvel have made me interested in whats to come later. I'm not shitting on the Marvel movies when I say that I'm saying it in regards to the fact that the two DC movies feel like they're building towards a saga whereas the Marvel movies don't.

However, a big part of that could be because the first two DC movies were both mainly about Superman and were by the same director, whereas the first two Marvel movies were different directors and different characters (Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk).

>>83061183
>and most of the people who went to see it enjoyed it.
It's pretty gud if your bar is Thor 2.

>>83060188
But that's not Superman's human side. That's not Clark Kent. That's just some unbearable asshole calling himself Clark.

We've had decades of comics showing Superman's human side, and yet somehow Snyder fucked the whole thing up.

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>>83061435
Inb4 WB's Rotten Tomatoes is controlled by Marvel.

>>83060333
>Booster Gold
NOW we're talking.

>>83061294

Elseworlds story so it doesn't really count IMO. But yeah.

>>83061423
>Every complaint I've heard about Batman v Superman seems incredibly knee-jerky,
Then with all due respect you're probably not paying close enough attention.

>, for me it worked cause it felt like a fever-dream in a good way.
You might want to find a better phrase do describe this in the future because, given that in order to have a fever dream your brain needs to be slowly dying due to overheating, your analogy basically means you have to be slightly brain damaged to get into the movie.

>>83061423
>For me it worked because it felt like something you imagine when you are physically ill.

Can't argue with you there.

>>83061311

74% is still high. It doesn't matter if it isn't the highest.

>>83061327

So you're source is the opening monologue on a talk show? Great

>>83061347

And what exactly is your basis for those movies being crap? You weren't the target audience? Cause it looks like you're trying to point out the audience of a mature and dark themed film are idiots because the audience for children's movies are generally children.

>>83059147
This movie was better than CW and XMA combined

>>83061423
>Whats to come later
Thats the fucking problem. 2 1/2 hours of what should be a crucial moment in comic movie and you leave thinking "well the next one should be a hoot!" is a big problem. Im all for a big payoff but this felt like a severe case of ASM2 syndrome. I want to like this movie, but it needed focus

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>>83061535
>74% is still high. It doesn't matter if it isn't the highest.
Having less audience likes than Thor 2 or Incredible Hulk should trouble you a bit more.
I'm thinking.

Considering those two films are routinely lambasted as the worst two Marvel films along with Iron Man 2. (which BvS beats by 2%).

Why should Superman need to smile all the time even when the script doesn't call for it because things look pretty bad?

He's not a politician running for office.

>>83061571
you tried.
have a (you)

>>83061535
A segment, not the opening monologue.
And yeah. When my claim is that BvS public reception is negative enough that it has become a punchline to jokes on late night talk shows, why would my source be anything other than a late night talk show?

Should I have just asked you instead, since you're obviously so popular that you've got your finger on the pulse of the people?

>>83061436

What made Henry's Superman an asshole?

>>83061615
Superman should be a robot that smiles no matter what. Even if he's killing Zod or has a building explode around him, he should have a smile! Emotions are for weak humans like us, not a god-like Kryptonian.

>>83061517
>>83061500

Thank you for reading a metaphorical expression and taking it literally.

>>83061500
Tell me a non-knee-jerky complaint about the movie (other than the editing which I have addressed works for some and not others)?

I'm not saying the editing isn't valid, it probably is the most valid complaint, I just want to know if there are others. It could be that lots of people just don't like that type of editing and only a few people don't mind it; I'm actually just curious what complaints people have which are:

>NOT MUH
>insert anything including the color of the sky

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>>83061630
The narrative is that MoS and BvS are widely loved films that are just heckled by a dozen unsophisticated chads on /co/, and that movie critics are paid operatives of Disney Studios.

Haven't you been in one of these threads before?

>>83061594

74% means for every 4 people who went to see it only one didn't like it. Those numbers are fine for any movie. The fact you keep comparing how well this movie did to what the internet says is Marvel's worst movies is what troubles me.

>>83061630

>Family guy ran an episode that had a 10 minute joke about the Shawshank Redemption so it must be bad

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>deviates heavily from comics
>therefore /tv/ has more riveting discussions about the flick than /co/

Poetry
Pisskino poetry

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>>83061423
>I can totally understand that people don't like the editing, for me it worked cause it felt like a fever-dream in a good way.

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>>83061696
>74% means for every 4 people who went to see it only one didn't like it. Those numbers are fine for any movie.
The point is that you want to cite it as proof positive of movie quality, even when it's true of movies you completely despise.

>>83061615
>He's not a politician running for office
No, but he's a defendant in the court of public opinion.

And the fact that he's so mono-emotional makes the moments that are actually supposed to be sad and horrifying fall flat. Clark has the same expression of dour depression walking up to the podium to address the word as he does minutes after that when the building is burning around him. If he's sad 99% of the time he's just a sad guy in general. It even makes his sacrifice seem more like a suicide because he just can't take the pain of existing anymore.

You guys need to stop hearing "'levity creates contrast" and interpreting it means EVERYONE WANTS QUIPS AND TO NEVER BE SERIOUS. That memethink has rotted your brains.

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Why did it take them so long to confirm it as Jason Todd? Were they actually floating the idea of killing Dick Grayson?
http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-robin-jason-todd/
I mean fuck with Snyder killing Jimmy Olsen just because, 'muhahaha so dark and edgy,' I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

>>83061734

>even when it's true of movies you completely despise.

Your brand loyalty is showing anon. Not once in any of the posts I have made have I said I despise any of the Marvel movies.

>>83061594

I don't get why people didn't like The Incredible Hulk. Maybe it's cause Bruce Banner is my favorite Avenger and I really liked Edward Norton's portrayal of him.

I dunno, I just really liked The Incredible Hulk. Probably my third favorite MCU film.

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>>83061791
So you think Thor: Dark World is roughly as good as BvS?
We might be close to coming to an agreement here, amazingly.

>>83061823

Actually yeah probably. Thor had its flaws but it was a fun movie that gave the audience what it wanted (more Loki).

I feel like BvS simply spoke to a different audience. Which isn't a bad thing.

>>83061767
>Clark has the same expression of dour depression walking up to the podium to address the word as he does minutes after that when the building is burning around him.

What are you taking about? He looked determined prior to the bombing and saddened afterwards.

>Clark has the same expression of dour depression walking up to the podium to address the word as he does minutes after that when the building is burning around him.

There were a few lighter moments in the film though.

>>83061693
>Thank you for reading a metaphorical expression and taking it literally.
That was a simile, not a metaphor.
>Tell me a non-knee-jerky complaint about the movie (other than the editing which I have addressed works for some and not others)?
Clark/Superman is less of an active participant in the movie and its proposed ideological conundrum and more of a plot device to motivate other characters.

Is the unnecessary sequel advertisements considered an "editing" thing?

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>>83061823
>So you think Thor: Dark World is roughly as good as BvS?

>>83061866
>Actually yeah probably.

/thread

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>>83061716

Oh wow, an autistic fury doesn't understand the difference between metaphors and being literal.

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>>83061866
>I feel like BvS simply spoke to a different audience.

>>83061615
He was saving people years before incógnito, he shouldnt have any doubts about it anymore

He should defend himself of acussations like he did with the military general instead of looking like a beated puppy and cry to lois/mom about it

And more importantly. He should be able to keep being a hero instead of mumbling outofcharacter crap like "superman was just a farmer's dream" and "no one stays good in this world".

You already have Batman for the gritty realistic point of view, the duality doesnt work if superman does it too, and its even worse if you introduce WW to be the shiny optimistic hero.

It throws the whole "vs" angle of the movie into the trash, he shouldnt be smiling like a cartoon but he should create a contrast. How BvS showed it. Batman and Superman were mostly the same, so it just drags the conflict for the sake of it

>>83061594
>worst two Marvel films
It's kind of like saying the worst Olympic athletes, sure they didn't earn any medals probably, but is BvS or the others even in the 'Olympics' in this analogy?
The DCEU is perhaps still in high school, sure seems to be written like it.

>>83061898
>>83061909

>memes

Apology accepted anons.

>>83061940
>>83061898

>>83061693
>bad editing meme

What's this about? The scenes flowed well for me. Can someone be more specific?

>>83061869
>What are you taking about? He looked determined prior to the bombing and saddened afterwards.
Then maybe Cavill isn't that great an actor because his sad frown and his determined frown are goddamn identical.

>>83061869
>There were a few lighter moments in the film though.
That's why I said 99% I will allow for the fact that the bathtub scene happened.


Also on a completely unrelated and admittedly nitpicky note, why is Clark being forced to report on sports teams instead of Batman (although admittedly he shouldn't be allowed to do this either because that's firmly within editorial territory) when Man of Steel established that the Daily Planet's dedicated sports writer is still there?

I really dont want to bring in a console war with this but its the only comparison I can think of at the moment: I felt like the actual fight between Clark and Bruce was rather lackluster. I get that the fight itself wasnt really that important and the outcome would never satisfy everybody, but I felt like it was lacking weight and emotional impact. Cap fighting Tony at the snow base seemed to do it better but perhaps thats because theyve been together longer. BvS felt like a poorly choreographed titled bout that got resolved really quickly and as others stated, in a rather humorous way with the "Martha" thing.

>>83061969
Jumping around scene to scene with little warning really. Its like Snyder has an apathy for establishing shots

>>83061920
BvS is the Jamaican Olympic Bobsled team in this analogy. It doesn't even make it to the finish line, but it limps along and tried really hard and so people try and respect it.

My point is that Cool Runnings is an underrated movie.

>>83061887
>Is the unnecessary sequel advertisements considered an "editing" thing?

Nah, that's completely legitimate.

As someone who really likes Batman v Superman there are two scenes which I think shouldn't be in the movie:

>That Justice League reveal

Like, I don't mind Diana reading her email, seeing the photo of her, and showing those folders, but don't do the fucking webms inside them.

>The Batmobile chase

It isn't because "Batman Kills" which I have a problem with, I just don't think Zack Snyder is good at shooting good car-chase scenes. It would have be better if Superman just fucked up the Batmobile right at the start and then we had instead a scene of Batman wrecking Lexcorp to steal the krpytonite.

I'm not saying the movie is without faults and is "capekino" or whatever. I really enjoyed the movie though.

As to the Clark/Superman not being active enough would be a not really valid complaint as Man of Steel clearly presented us with a Clark that's very introspective. I mean if one doesn't like that it's understandable but saying a movie is bad because the protagonist is introspective is stupid.

Also, the movie is as much about Batman as it is about Superman.

>>83062060
It's not that he just had too little time to cover the whole story.

The film would've been a fuckton better if we got MoS 2 before we got this one. It overall just feels rushed as fuck.

>>83061777

Zack Snyder wanted to chock the audience by killing a character/actor people like to show them that the movie wouldn't play safe and that Superman wouldn't be able to save the day all the time.

You know, because that's a point in the movie.

>>83062080

>but it limps along and tried really hard and so people try and respect it.

If the internet has taught me anything is that if Cool Runnings was released again in theaters everyone would be laughing at them for losing.

>My name is anon and I'm a BvSaholic

>>83062060
I personally don't like establishing shots, but there were definitely a few of those in the film, only when the audience needed it to prevent confusion though. Scene transitions were fine to me too.

>>83062080
>My point is that Cool Runnings is an underrated movie.

Is it underrated though? I thought everyone likes Cool Runnings? How can you go wrong with John Candy?

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>>83061911

Superman in BvS was getting tired of the public persecution and still feeling guilty and shameful about all the deaths cause by his people in MoS. He was also feeling powerless because things kept getting worse the more he helped. People were starting to see him as a deity and getting hurt as consequences of his action.

So the context is different.

What would you do if you never managed to catch a break. Everything you did, no matter how right or good you did it, would end up fucking someone else or creating more problems, and people would criticize you for it? Would you smile non-stop like a goddamn robot?

>>83062107
>As to the Clark/Superman not being active enough would be a not really valid complaint as Man of Steel clearly presented us with a Clark that's very introspective.
Being introspective is fine, but that doesn't necessitate being passive. Those are not the same thing. I'm all for a Clark that has some internal conflict. I'm less so for a Clark that works as a reporter, and dates another reporter, and yet never thinks "Maybe I should at least attempt to get some kind of statement out there so people don't think I'm an asshole".

When the character getting torn apart by the media in the story is a part of said media himself and has allies in said media on top of that, and the movie gives no focus to the counter argument, it just feels like something is missing.

And the thing is, the movie is clearly more about Batman than it is about Superman. That '43 lines" thing has become a bit of a meme but it is pretty relevant and I'd honestly like to see the numbers for the other characters. Like, does Lois have more lines in this movie than Superman? Does Alfred? I know Lex does.

>>83062216
Maybe you shouldn't write Superman to be a depressing, mopey, boring asshole in the first place.

>>83062159
Ok heres a good example of the poor editing in this film: Lex Luthors introduction. No build up, no sense of tone, just BAM hes playing basketball out of nowhere. It honestly felt like a later scene spliced in. A better shot would have been his walk into the crashed ship, because there it at least had some gravitas. Am I being unreasonable? Because it really stuck out for me

>>83062242

Superman can be anything, though.

People seem to think you can only do Superman one way. I'm tired of this.

>>83062233

>"Maybe I should at least attempt to get some kind of statement out there so people don't think I'm an asshole".

You mean the puff pieces Bruce Wayne talked about?

>>83062233
>When the character getting torn apart by the media in the story is a part of said media himself and has allies in said media on top of that, and the movie gives no focus to the counter argument, it just feels like something is missing.

There were plenty of people on Superman's side. My favorite was the one who said "he's just a guy trying to do some good" or something to that effect. Not only that, Bruce also commented on the positive press the Daily Planet gives on Superman in the party scene.

>That '43 lines" thing has become a bit of a meme but it is pretty relevant and I'd honestly like to see the numbers for the other characters.

Superman said a lot from his actions, especially when he stopped following Bruce in order to save the girl in Mexico, and when he stopped fighting Doomsday when he heard the banging.

>>83062300
Maybe he should be entertaining first and foremost

>>83062216
>What would you do if you never managed to catch a break.
That's the problem though. Clark has the ability to give himself a break. All he has to do is what thousands of other incarnations of Superman are allowed to do and talk to people.

Smiling like a robot isn't what people want. But neither is frowning like a terminator.

There's just something about this rendition, if not this movie in general, that's so defeatist it make it hard to get into.

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>>83061456
Old pic. It's even worse now.

>>83062354

So that's all Superman can be, huh?

Flash visiting Bruce in a dream was dumb.
"Martha" was dumb.
Flash/Aquaman/Cyborg being blatantly shown in videos was unnecessary. Some simple nods in dialogue would have sufficed.
Or if they really needed to be referenced visually, have the files be news articles or something about a lightning strike in Central City, a ship being saved by something in the water near Amnesty Bay and a highschool quarterback being badly injured. Something subtle would have been better.
Lex's dingdingding at the end was dumb and his performance was disappointing considering I held out hope for him when he was announced.

>>83062396
Yeah, that's what I said. Sure.

>>83062271
It's been a while since I've seen the movie so I don't remember what happens before that, but it feels like the basketball playing WAS the build-up. I'm no professional though, so I don't know if that scene in particular was poor editing.

The thing is, I watched Batman Begins and the scenes there were very jumpy from one another, while I felt the scenes in BvS were smooth. Is that just me?

>>83062377

>All he has to do is what thousands of other incarnations of Superman are allowed to do and talk to people.

It wouldn't change shit. The movie maybe a point about that. People would see it as puff pieces or falsehoods.

This isn't 1938 anymore. Superman wouldn't win the heart of America just by being charming and giving half-felt excuses in front a camera.

>>83062329
Yes. But the fact that the supposed counterargument to Bruce's motivations are only given a passing mention and ultimately hand-waved is part of the problem I'm talking about.

>>83062339
While it's nice to have some blink and you miss it moments of people on Clark's side, that's not the same as him taking an active role in the way I'm taking about. It's hard to feel for the guy being sad that people are treating him like a god when not once does he intimate this to anyone but his girlfriend. Just tell THEM you're not a god.

All you'd have to do to rectify this paradigm I'm complaining about would be to wait five minutes before blowing up the senate. Or hell, just 2 minutes. Let Clark get the start of a speech out. It'd be better than nothing.

>>83062422
My point really is first impressions. I think a ruthless boardroom scene would have done a lot more than "fun young hip CEO playing basketball".

>>83062216
I just don't understand why he has to go thru the same charactwer arc twice

Him being angsty, doubful and looking for reasurance and his place in this world made sense when he was a rookie on MoS. Devolving his character for BvS just feels cheap.

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Yeah it was such a great movie right? SO DEEP! What a visionary Snyder was. Tons of people did like this movie too, just a pity I've never found one outside of the Internet, but I'm sure it's absolutely true, I mean, people liked the Bayformers movies right?

You know the saddest thing is you people defend movies like MOS and BvS with such fierce conviction yet if it were announced Snyder was stepping down from directing altogether tomorrow or that the Russos were switching sides to the WB you'd be the first ones jumping with joy and adulation. You're hypocrites and battered wives who just make yourselves look worse every time you open your apologist mouths.

The mental gymnastics you people do to defend this stuff is astounding. No one has any problem bashing Whedon for Age of Ultron (which honestly was a far more cohesive and serviceable movie than MOS or BvS) and rightfully so, yet somehow Snyder gets a free pass because his movies have characters in them from a brand you want to like.

It's not fair you can't have threads about this without people shitposting, but frankly it'd help if you'd stop baiting which such delusional and defensive argumentative tactics.

>>83062271

I dunno about whether that was "bad editing"; I liked how the movie portrayed Lex as an insufferable millennial billionaire. But that's me, and I understand that I'm probably the only person who likes Eisenberg's Lex.

>>83062451
>It wouldn't change shit.
See, this is what I mean about the movie being defeatist. The lack of an attempt is what matters here, not the success of that attempt. Just because we, the audience, know it won't work, doesn't mean the character needs to know it won't work. He should try anyway, because that makes him an active participant in the narrative about him.

Because as it stands, by this argument Clark is going "It won't matter, why bother." And with that kind of attitude, why even bother being Superman in the first place?

>>83062542

>You know the saddest thing is you people defend movies like MOS and BvS with such fierce conviction yet if it were announced Snyder was stepping down from directing altogether tomorrow or that the Russos were switching sides to the WB you'd be the first ones jumping with joy and adulation. You're hypocrites and battered wives who just make yourselves look worse every time you open your apologist mouths.

I wouldn't. I want to see his Justice League. I would only be fine about if he announced that he'd work right away on the Fountainhead.

>>83062525
I think maybe it's time to accept this isn't an arc. This is just his actual character, and it's not going to move from that.

PISSING JARS!

>>83059724
superman was never a god, and never descended to being a man.

You are dumb and do not understand the character. You must be snyder.

>>83061969
Every scene cuts directly into the next scene, often with close ups of different characters in entirely new locations, with very little establishing shots or anything to help us settle in with the change.

End of scene, BAM here's Wonder Woman half way across the world. BAM now here's Batman. BAM here's Clark somewhere else doing fuck all.

It feels like multiple movies cut together with all the "breathing room" cut out.

>>83062542
>the point of the rape quote is that Snyder thinks Batman should be "cool" instead of dark and if he WERE to make a "dark" Batman movie this is what he would do

Good thing BvS wasn't dark then.

>>83061777
>Why did it take them so long to confirm it as Jason Todd?

Because which Robin died has very little significance towards BvS beyond appeasing nerds and their fanfiction tier theories.

>>83062396
Its probably all he should be. If the entertainment isn't entertaining, whats the point?

>>83062624
> What Snyder really meant was...

Stop.

>>83062613
What pisses me off is that theres an easy fix to it. Instead of Clark looking depressed that people are worshiping him after the house fire like Lex poured his pissjar in his cornflakes, how about Clark politely smiling and saying "cut it out, Im not a god, but Im happy to help". Boom. Done. Its not that hard. But no we need more symbolism

>>83062652
>"Okay, no, Batman's cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that.
>I want to do that.

Go back to first grade and re-learn how to read.

>>83062649
Apparently people should go to capeshit movies to be challenged. By being bored and kind of depressed, I guess?

>>83062542
>yet if it were announced Snyder was stepping down from directing altogether tomorrow or that the Russos were switching sides to the WB you'd be the first ones jumping with joy and adulation.

Actually you're wrong there. I'd be sad if we didn't get to see Snyder's Justice League I and II. I'm really enjoying the saga he's creating thus far and want to see how it pans out.

>The mental gymnastics you people do to defend this stuff is astounding. No one has any problem bashing Whedon for Age of Ultron

It's because there is at least symbolism (whether it's surface or not is irrelevant) in Snyder's DC movies. Avengers (the first) was all built up about how if people want to be a hero they have to not be selfish. So Tony Stark finally decided to sacrifice himself to save New York, and he doesn't even fucking DIE?!

It's fucking comic books man. Tony Stark can come back to life a hundred thousand different ways, but nah lets just ignore the major theme the movie has been setting up the whole fucking time.

However, I will mention that if George Miller were directing the Justice League movies and replacing Snyder I wouldn't complain. I'm not going to give Snyder undue praise, but I also am very much enjoying where his DC saga is going so far.

If you'd told me the Russos were taking over before I saw Civil War I might have liked it, but then again I would have preferred them staying with Captain America because I thought they were going to do that character more justice.

Then Civil War came out...

>>83062711

People wouldn't stop. They'd say that their God is humble or some shit and kill in his name.

>>83062080
>My point is that Cool Runnings is an underrated movie.

But everybody loves Cool Runnings...?

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>>83062816
>I'm really enjoying the saga he's creating thus far

>>83062816
>So Tony Stark finally decided to sacrifice himself to save New York, and he doesn't even fucking DIE?!
>It's fucking comic books man. Tony Stark can come back to life a hundred thousand different ways, but nah lets just ignore the major theme the movie has been setting up the whole fucking time.

The devaluing of death is without a doubt the worst part of the superhero genre. Hell, they couldn't even wait until after the credits to bring Clark back from the dead. Death has no narrative weight anymore in cape stories because literally everybody knows they're going to come back.

A theme with no narrative weight might as well not be there.

>>83062354

Oh right, I forgot, if something isn't this mystical concept of "fun" it can't be entertaining.

>>83062919
More like if something isn't entertaining it can't be entertaining.

>>83062525

It's not the same arc. MoS is him trying to figure out who he is and what his destiny is meant to be. BvS is him learning to deal with the shit that comes being a public hero and not being automatically given the key the city every time he saves a kitten from a tree as like in Saturday morning cartoons

>>83062996
He doesn't learn to deal with anything. He acts like a mopey dickhead for 2 hours then dies for a stupid reason.

>>83062603
Yeah, I've accepted that actually. The snyderverse is grim, a place were not even Superman is allowed to be heroic or hopeful, like Injustice or Watchmen.

He even takes out the lighthearted parts out of the comics that inspired BvS.

Unlike TDKR. Batman was ready to murder Superman instead of faking and just teaching him humility.
>>83062607
First thing that jumps in my mind anytime someone says BvS was mature. Right off some Michael Bay film!

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>>83062775
>>83062816

>>83062906

You don't get it do you?

The characters can't die because they're part of the zeitgeist. They are modern day mythology.

While the Death and Return of Superman wasn't particularly well written it understood that Superman is immortal because he's an idea not a person.

Superman's defeat of death is the greatest act a hero can accomplish. Like Herakles and other heroes of old Superman descended to the underworld and fought his way back.

Clearly you don't hypercrisis.

>>83063211

How is it being a mouseketeer?

>>83063035
>He doesn't learn to deal with anything.

He would have just quit and not come back after the bombing if that was the case.

>>83063259
I don't, and honestly the way you guys go on about it I'm kind of glad about that.

>>83063259
>act
That was an act on comics because it went on for several issues, with four supermen taking the mantle in the meantime before Clark resurrected and arised again as the one and only

Superman stayed dead in the movie for five minutes. Unceremonial AF

>>83063318
That's not learning. That's just doing the same shit he would have done normally.

>>83063318
He did. He didnt even heard his mom being kidnapped.

He only came back because ghost dad badly written dialogue about drowned horses. He cant still do anything con his own unless mom, dad or lois guilttrip him into being a héro

>>83059147
>And no civil war babies
BvS came out before Civil War so the chances that you find non civil war baby reviews is pretty high

>>83063321

Then enjoy cynicism and bitterness.

No wonder you lament a lack of "fun" and "quips" in your fictional texts. Clearly your life is so hollow because you find meaning in nothing that you look merely for an entertaining way to pass the time because death comes for you.

Nihilism has always been a cancer upon the human spirit.

>>83063366

The bombing was the straw that broke the camels back, he thought he had failed too much and couldn't be a hero anymore and that's why he leaves Lois in the hotel room. It wasn't until the reminiscent horses anecdote from Pa that he comes to terms with the fact that he can't always control the outcome, i.e. he has to live with the aftermath and not be scared of it. Suiting up as Superman again signifies that he's ready to still do the job and carry the weight that comes with it instead of doubting himself and his actions. Otherwise he would have just appeared as bum Clark to save Lois.

>>83063312
Great, our movies are great, our tv shows are great, our cartoons... not so much, but it's hard to compete with Teen Titans Go.

>>83063783
You sure like to pull shit of your ass to make BvS look like less of a turd, eh?

>2DEEP4U!!!

>>83063783
Supposedly the Ultimate Cut has a scene where Clark has a nightmare about the Battle in Metropolis. Would tie in pretty well with that scene with Pa Kent.

>>83063808
Stop using scenes in the movie to prove your point l! That's cheating!

>>83063783
>>83063856
The Pa Kent scene was great. I didn't like his character in Man of Steel, but he really improved in Dawn of Justice. Being dead sure does change a guy, doesn't it?

>>83063808
How dumb are you?

His post is literally the surface meaning of what happens in the movie. Like, you would have to be a fucking idiot with a subhuman IQ to not get from the film what he just posted.

>>83063857
It's okay, maybe if you fill in enough holes in the movies it will be watchable.

>>83063884
2 DEEP

>>83063783
So again, he doesn't learn anything and does the same shit he would have done anyways. Got it.

Superman has no development in the entire film. He gets shit on, does nothing and dies an idiotic death.

WOW WHAT A HERO, SO INSPIRING

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>BvS is a movie for DC fans and people who actually read the comics
But Batman kills without restraint, Superman is gloomy, and Lex is kooky
>NOT MUH

>>83063900
The only hole is in your head, where your brain is supposed to be. BvS had literally 0 plotholes in it, every "problem" you people come up with is answered in the film.

>>83063900
Holy shit

People really are too dumb to understand this fucking movie.

>>83063966
>0 plotholes
Lets not get carried away anon

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>>83063966
>>83064004
>>83064041
>laughing at a shit film means you're too dumb to understand it

>>83064041
Well it was directed by a person with an IQ clearly below 70 so I'd hope that were true.

>>83064176
CEREAL KING WILL SAVE US!!!!

>>83063966
What about the problem where the film is dog shit? Where is that answered in the film?

>>83064122
> marveldrone
> don't read comic books

You really need to come up with some more original cop out material.

>Why couldnt Clark use his X Ray vision, super hearing, and super speed to find his mother? Because he can apparently find Lois when the plot demands it
>How does Superman get framed for the terrorist thing when everyone clearly got shot?
>Why is Wayne Manor in ruin?
>Why does Superman let the mercs get away after crashing the batmobile. Even if Batman was causing mass destruction in the chase, you would think Clark would follow up on WHY he was chasing them.

I agree OP. Just seems like something people got on the bandwagon to hate. I really liked it. It was no more dumb than most capeshit movies released these days.

>>83064358
>everyone who dislikes it is WRONG because they're just bandwagoning!

How To Defend Shit Films 101

>>83064319
>Why couldnt Clark use his X Ray vision, super hearing, and super speed to find his mother? Because he can apparently find Lois when the plot demands it
Answered in Directors Cut. Clark looks for his mother, drowned in voices he hears, then hears Lois falling and goes to save her.
>How does Superman get framed for the terrorist thing when everyone clearly got shot?
Pleb question. Superman is accused of rushing into a situation escalating a political situation causing undue death. He was never accused of shooting anybody, but of destabilizing the region.
>Why is Wayne Manor in ruin?
Why does this matter. It's world building, establishing the storied past of Batman and Bruce Wayne.
>Why does Superman let the mercs get away after crashing the batmobile. Even if Batman was causing mass destruction in the chase, you would think Clark would follow up on WHY he was chasing them.
Literally focused on Batman alone. Not a plot hole of any sort.

I feel like if we got a fantastic Batman/Superman movie most defenders would throw BvS under the bus

>>83064412
Calm down fat fuck. I'm just saying it's something that happens a lot these days, especially on the internet. Happened with the new Call of Duty trailer. It's like 90% disliked even though there's really nothing wrong with it that would warrant that much hate.

I'm not saying you have no real reason to dislike the movie, but the bandwagon effect in entertainment criticism is stronger than ever thanks to the internet. (see Justin Bieber, Rebecca Black, etc. etc.)

>>83064122

Kills without restraint, anon. He didn't say he didn't kill.

This Superman was gloomy all of the time, not sometimes.

Lex can have kooky moments but this Lex's entire personal was kooky. That shouldn't be the first word that comes to mind when you think of Lex Luthor.

Also

>thinks shit movie is shit
>must be a marvel drone

Kek

>>83064435
If he's drowned in voices, how did her hear Lois?

The whole movie falls apart with just one question:


What was Lex's motive?

>>83064446
No shit, probably. I liked BvS. I thought it was good. But I would gladly set it aside if an even better one came out.

>>83064461
Focused in on her above all other cries.

Fucking wait for the DC to come out then complain.

>>83064449
>fat fuck

Nice projecting

BvS is shit, stop making excuses

>>83064480
>What was Lex's motive?
wew lad

>>83064486
When did I ask what you thought of BvS, fatty?

>>83064483
>w-wait for a version with more garbage added, it will fix everything! we swear!

BvS doesn't need MORE shit, it needs LESS.

>>83064480
To be Joker-Lite

>>83064435
Holy fuck you are delusional.
>Directors cut
You would think something that significant of a detail would be in the initial release
>Terrorist
You know what? I'll actually let that one slide
>Wayne Manor doesnt matter
How the fuck is it world building if theres no rhyme nor reason as to why? It adds nothing, and raises more questions. If the film said "too many bad memories, thats why I live by the lake" Id buy that
>Batman focused
Oh so Superman being a fucking idiot is okay then. Good to know
Fuck off back to /tv/

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>>83064510
>Fuck off back to /tv/

/tv/ is full of Marvelcuckolds too though

>>83064483

Why would I want a longer version of a movie that was already overstuffed with pointless subplots and characters?

The idea that BvS needs to be longer then 2001 A Space Odyssey to tell its full story is flat-out insane. Maybe Terrio could have written something that could have worked at a reasonable length.

>>83064319
>>Why couldnt Clark use his X Ray vision, super hearing, and super speed to find his mother? Because he can apparently find Lois when the plot demands it
We don't no how far was Superman from Lois, and yeah that's seems pretty stupid for Lex jr. to not putting Martha in somekind isolated bunker. Honest flaw.
>>How does Superman get framed for the terrorist thing when everyone clearly got shot?
I don't know.
>>Why is Wayne Manor in ruin?
Why not.
>>Why does Superman let the mercs get away after crashing the batmobile. Even if Batman was causing mass destruction in the chase, you would think Clark would follow up on WHY he was chasing them.
Superman part was on of Batman's hallucination.

>>83064523
So never? Okay chubs. Now fuck off.

>>83064528
/tv/ is generally a cesspool regardless of preference

>>83064528
No it's not, it's full of people who love BvS and Snyder.

>>83064523
Scanner?

>>83064550
Go ahead and make a BvS thread on /tv/. It'll be filled with Evansposters spamming their memes and Box Office stats.

>>83064544
>Superman part was on of Batman's hallucination
I think youre thinking of the wrong scene anon. The car chase transporting kryptonite to lexcorp, not the nightmare with duster coat bats

>>83064538
>>83064507
>I literally have no fucking clue about how movies are paced, structured and edited, and how just because footage is added to a directors cut it means the film gets more bloated.

Fucking morons. Additional scenes that were mainly character and plot scenes re-edited back into the film restore flow, pacing and improve the editing between scenes.

Only a fucking uneducated pleb would assume More Scenes = More Shit.

>>83064571
Where do you think all the BvS defense images and the Snyder capekino thing came from?

>>83064571
So how is it any different than /co/? Why even tell people to go to /tv/?

>>83064589
I think of right scene.

>>83064546
You mad?

So it's popular to like this movie now?

>>83064621
Explain because that wasnt a hallucination

>>83064594
Nice try Snyder

Making a 2 and a half hour turd into a 3 hour turd won't fix anything

>>83064646
Adding 30 minutes to a magnificent masterpiece is just icing on the cake.

>>83064594
If the initial release couldnt create a solid narrative in 2 1/2 hours its a fucking failure. Sure a DC can make it a bit better, but the damage is done because that was the intended final product

>>83064594

>being this mad

So you're telling me the Director's Cut is going to cut out the entire Lois Lane plot, the dream sequence, Wonder Woman as a character and 80% of the Doomsday fight? Good to know.

The movie is already incredibly bloated, and adding Jena Malone, slight character moments and extra fight scenes won't help.

>>83064697
>taking out good content from an amazing film will somehow make it better

What were you smoking, kid?

>>83064697
>literally this culturally retarded

god damn

>>83064668
>>83064722
Nice shitposting

>>83064722

>good content

The only good content on that list is Wondy, and she might be entertaining but she's utterly useless to the overall movie. You could cut her out of the screeplay incredibly easily.

>>83064769
She's a walking commercial

>>83064568
That's a transparency projector.

>>83062060
there are establishing shots, this is outright misinfo
even so, establishing shots don't equate goodness

>>83065104
Maybe 1 or 2

And no one said that, but shitty editing is shitty editing

>>83062271
you have no idea what editing is, and none of what you are saying is something any movie is obligated to do for any one character
the introduction of lex gives everything you need to know about his social identity, as the movie goes on different scenes reveal different contexts in which he operates
there's actually something to be said if you compare the introductions of superman batman and lex all to each other

>>83065200
>there's actually something to be said if you compare the introductions of superman batman and lex all to each other

Man that funeral scene was phenomenal. I really liked the contrast with Batman Begins, where Bruce falls in the well and is trapped at the bottom by the bats, where in BvS the bats lift him up to the heavens.

>>83064319
he's keeping tabs on lois in the desert, and saves her out of pure luck
he finds and saves her in metropolis out of pure luck as well
superman intervention in foreign soil
doesn't matter why, the movie is not obliged to tell you, apparently it got blown up by joker
batman is a one man wrecking crew he sees batman much as how batman first experienced him

>>83065372
>pure luck

Aka shitty writing

>>83065116
not true, most scenes start with a wide view of what's going on as it gets closer to it's characters

the only ones i don't remember having establishing shots would be part of a 'run' to a certain point
not that this is even editing anyway

>>83065431
That's blatantly false. Go re-watch the film, so many scenes start with a close up of a different character in a different place. It's jarring and definitely editing unless Snyder is too stupid to get wide shots at all.

>>83065430
lois could have easily been shot, and the terrorist could have just shot her without trying to use her as leverage

>>83065467
So shitty writing. Got it.

>>83065477
thanks

>>83065467
>the terrorist could have just shot her without trying to use her as leverage

Faster than a speeding bullet :^)

>>83065575
>superman had more distance to traverse than the bullet
:^)

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>>83065630
You know what they say. Gotta go fast.

>>83065719
>Avengers 2 is a better film than BvS

Snyder is probably gonna kill himself.

>>83065719
>all those bootlegs

>>83065744
More well-rated isn't the same as better though.

>>83065771
Good thing it's both, then.

>>83060280
Yes, smile at that little girl who most likely saw her entire family killed in that fire. That's totally not psychotic.

I'm sorry but whenever I hear the whole 'SUPERMAN SHOULD SMILE MORE' I think... when is it appropriate to smile in a situation like that?

"Hey Superman, thanks for getting to this car wreck in time. I only lost my sister and my dad... and why are you smiling? You think this is funny? MY FAMILY JUST DIED, YOU CRAZY FUCK!"

I mean, ya, if he's rescuing a cat from a fucking tree then it's OK to smile. Not really OK at some tragic event.

>>83065886
Maybe these situations aren't beneficial to an accurate or pleasing depiction of Superman then.

A thing I don't like about this movie is that they made Batman much older that Superman.
I can understand wanting the contrast between the old and the new hero.
I can understand wanting to adapt pieces of TDKR.
But now we have a Batman with his story for the most part already told, that has already lost his Robin offscreen against Joker and with no member of the Bat-family around

I would have much preferred if they had made a movie all for him before BvS, placed in the past like Captain America:The First Avenger I'm not a "marveldrone", TFA was a rather boring movie, but it's to make you understand what I mean
Try to picture it:
>The movie is placed in 2006, with Batman that has only recently started to fight crime
>He fight against one of his classic enemies, like Killer Croc or Poison Ivy (not Joker) and in the end is able to defeat them thanks to the help of Robin, his new sidekick
>They even make a joke about George W Bush, to be sure that the international market will love this movie
>The film is generally still dark, but it ends with a hope message, with the idea that Batman will eventually be able to save Gotham
>A couple of years later BvS is released
>Batman's dream is all but crushed, the city is just as much filled with crime as it was in the previous movie, or even worse
>Robin, his faithful sidekick and, basically, adopted child was killed off-screen
>This way is perfectly shown and made understandable to everybody how and why Batman got so disillusioned, so angry about life

On a different note, isn't the Joker from Suicide Squad too young to be the one of 20 years if Batman activities?
Was he described as being a different one or it was just a little miscasted?

>>83065962
TFA is a masterpiece compared to BvS

>>83065933
So wait, you DON'T want Superman to rescue people now? I mean, make up your fucking minds, people.

You want Superman to rescue people and smile. Someone points out how fucking sociopathic and insulting it is to the victims of a tragedy for him to do so and now you change your tune? Christ, what a crock of shit.

Look, I'm not saying Superman shouldn't smile at all but some of you fucking autists need to get out in the actual world and see how people respond to tragic events.

If someone's house just burned down but Superman rescued them, the last fucking thing they need is some superpowered alien acting like he's a fucking basement dwelling faggot who doesn't know how to react in situations and inappropriately smiles. Yes, Superman, smile at the people who just lost everything in their lives. That'll totally smooth it all away.

If you want Superman to be the Big Goddamn Hero and do the Big Goddamn Rescues then you need to deal with the fact that he doesn't need to be smiling in most rescues. He should give them some kind words, yes. Reassure them. But fucking hell, lean how to be human people.

>>83065886
>>83066042
You know that there are different kind of smiles, right?
He doesn't have to smile like he just received a present or like he's going to get laid.
A sad smile, one that says "Things have gone really really bad, but don't worry, now Jesus is here and everything will be ok from now on"

It's probably best to point it out: the Jesus part is referred to how people see Superman, I have no interest in changing the subject from the smiling to the Christian imaginery of the movie. We already had a thread about it yesterday

>>83066042
>So wait, you DON'T want Superman to rescue people now?

He literally never said that. Kill yourself, faggot.

>>83066131
You first, autist. Grab that rusty box cutter beside your bed and get to work. I believe in you!

>>83066143
You must be 18 years or older to use this site.

>>83066192
Then that means you definitely need to get the fuck off this board, son. It's way too late and you got school tomorrow.

>>83066201
I know you are, but what am I?

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>>83065886
>Yes, smile at that little girl who most likely saw her entire family killed in that fire. That's totally not psychotic.

Then don't have him smile like a psychopath you goddamn moron. He's supposed to have a warm, comforting smile, one that says "its ok, it's going to be ok", not "I just murderd everyone in that bulding and I'm going to listen to Drowning Pool now". His expression should sell optimism and hope, as a direct contrast to Batman's scowl of revenge. That's what this movie lacks; contrast. They're supposed to be two different heroes, with different morals ways to handle things, with different tones for their stories. But none of that was found here, everything was just grimdark. There was no crossover, just Batman at his worst. You might as well make a Punisher movie with the Sentry as a side character.

>>83066229
...OK now I gotta admit I chuckled there, man. That was actually good of ya, no joking around.

>>83066042
>You want Superman to rescue people and smile. Someone points out how fucking sociopathic and insulting it is to the victims of a tragedy for him to do so and now you change your tune? Christ, what a crock of shit.
A reassuring smile is one of the most important parts of comforting people you moron.

It's not literally about smiling, it's just generally acting like a compassionate person, a HERO

Superman looks like saving people causes him physical pain in BvS

>>83059514
Honestly all i wanted was him to explain his point of view, but I really liked that he didnt. Obviously he's really depressed, and honestly he reacted pretty realistically to the situations thrown at him

>>83060324
yeah, seriously, when I was responsible for all these people dying I just shrugged it off.
Every second he's with Lois he could be saving people and he knows how selfish he is but seriously man up amirite

>>83066310
>hurr X happened so that justifies Y

Maybe X shouldn't have happened and it makes for a shitty story.

>>83066118
He smiled to Lois before reking terrorist assets.

>>83066343
Because Lois is the only person Superman cares about. He explicitly said before dying that he cares for people because he sees her through them
DCEU Superman is just one Joker away from Injustice Superman

>>83064632
Nah, people actually went out and saw it and formed opinions for themselves rather than just parroting /co/'s most popular opinion
it happens every time a new movie comes out on this dumbass board,

>>83066240
>this

also he's supposed to be powerful enough so the death rate is ridiculously low when he's around.

by making him weaker and shitty at his job in the movie he can't act like superman because in the logic of the movie yeah he's saving one person while 50 die every single time. but that's the writers fault for writing themselves into a corner. the major complaint is not muh superman, because snyder doesn't get it at all.

just like he missed the point of the ending of watchmen, he's not smart but he thinks he is. so his version of shit is just terrible.

>>83066436
Yeah, formed opinions on how shit it is.

>>83066272
I see him not smiling as a sign of how genuinely uncomfortable he is at the entire situation
Not saving people, but the people literally on their knees praising him like a god
Like yeah sure I do wish he smiled more but I understand the reasoning

But really, if he was smiling when this happened people would still be bitching about how it looks like he enjoys being thought of as a god and loves the praise or whatever which is even more out of character
but thats just me getting annoyed at a hypothetical

>>83066474
If he just smiled randomly and the writing didn't change to fit it, sure

People don't literally mean that though. They mean they want to have a REASON to smile. And actually be a likable hero.

>>83066427
And school bus full of boys that bully him, and oiltower. Superman having qt milf doesn't mean he doesn't care about people. You know.

>>83066437
And Batman should have shark spray. I get it.

>>83066534
Nice meme

>>83066118
No, there are only different kinds of frowns, like the "People are treating me like god" frown, the "I have to give a speech" frown, the "this guy is in a wheelchair" frown, and the "building blew up and everyone around me is dead" frown. You just don't get the subtle differences between all those frowns.

Smiling though? That can only mean one thing ever.

>>83065962
>On a different note, isn't the Joker from Suicide Squad too young to be the one of 20 years if Batman activities

Jared Leto is actually one year older than Affleck. All that acid bath that bleaches your skin and turns your hair green does wonders for wrinkles!

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>>83066437
>supposed to be
No one owe you anything, anon. Being fast, invincible, able to fly, etc. Doesn't mean you run below speed of light like Smallvile when he is litteraly ,while playing football, could run miles away, save someone and return at very moment while he is playing football and they (all people that watch him all this time) just *didn't see dat kamin*. I mean I am not against this version but it's just powerlevel that connects with plot. In X2 and in 80-90 and in beginning of Ultimate Wolverine lose conscious (actually died for a small time) when someone shoot him in the head, shoot all his body, even old Japanese oldman non-superpowered could beat him at ez, then in X3 he can't even be desintegrated by red hot omnipotent milf, in Origin bullets would just ricochet from him, and in Immortal (just Wolverine for plebs) and Apoc he just standing full height when two to ten man non-stop shooting him pretending be Terminator or Robocop.
In short : powerlevel is lamest argument you just could ever write.

>>83066843
Oh, didn't know that
I would totally have said that he was in his early thirties or even twenties from the trailers
Good to know. Thanks, anon

>>83065962

Yeah Jared Leto is just blessed with an incredibly long lasting baby-face. Him and Affleck are around the same age.

It's kind of cool casting if you think about it. Batman suffering the wear and tear of stress as the years go by while the Joker just keeps on being youthful.

Also, it's kind of cool with the grill/silver teeth Joker has. Batman having literally punched out so many of his teeth it's the only way to tell it's the same person after twenty odd years.

>>83066534

If I ever write something Batman related (comic or screen play) you bet I'm going to have a canister of Shark-Repellent just laying around and collecting dust somewhere in the Batcave.

I'm not arguing against Batman v Superman or anything, but fuck yes I'd reference that.

>>83059147
I didn't mind MoS but BvS bored the shit out of me, I actually dozed off in the first hour, that's never happened to me in the cinema before. Also, Snyder is trying to make the movie seem more than it needs to be, as if he's trying to make it into a five act revenge tragedy, but no one wants that. I just wanted a good movie with my favourite characters beefing, with a believable conflict, I'm not expecting Hamlet, The Spanish Tragedy, The Revenger's Tragedy or Titus Andronicus, so it doesn't need to be that.

>>83064568
>Scanner

The average BvsS defender, ladies and gentlemen.

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>>83067058
Same here, although if I ever have a Batman run it would probably be lighthearted and closer to BatB if anything. Now that you mention it, it's a damn shame that's never been mentioned outside of '66 Bat-continuity.

>>83059446
I honestly don't belive in conspirations. If 3 of 10 people say the movie is bad, it probably means the movie is bad.

Of course you can like it anywya. I love The Cable Guy but that doesn't mean is a good movie.

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>>83067693

The story I want to write is a Poison Ivy lead villain story with splashes of Cat Woman thrown in.

Just cause I think Pamela Isley is quite a cool villain but is boring (well overdone) as a femme-fatale and would like to write one with her being really fucking terrifying.

Plus, I personally have always liked the Batman villains who had mind-control/altering powers. I just think it really adds to the madness of Gotham and Batman being the only one NOT succumbing to madness.

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>>83060539
>Deadpool is a better symbol of hope than Superman at this point.

Let's have a debate!

>>83059901
Fuck off.

>>83060322
There's nothing similar between them.

positives:
- Batman
- Alfred
- opening sequence
- Visual and Imagery
- Music
- warehouse action

the rest is mediocre to shit

It was too deep for normies.

They see superheroes as clowns/idiots, which as Ethan Van Sciver said, "marvel heroes get their powers by being idiots."

DC sees them as iconic superheroes, without any sense of irony. They're proud of who they are. They don't need to be seen as a joke.

>>83068812
>They're proud of who they are.

But I mean, Christopher Nolan didn't rape his Batman.

Zack Snyder could rape Batman.

>>83068842
Congratulations on posting the flavour of the month meme! Your 4chan gold membership has been ordered and we thank you for fitting in with the current meme-meta.

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>>83068868
>flavour of the month meme
>too deep for normies

>>83062711
People just DIED. Only a sociopath would attempt levity.

>>83068812
Superman was a joke in BvD

Innefective, gimped powers, and just there to be humiliated by Lex and Bruce, then die for shockvalue

>>83069587
Who died in the mexico fire?

Why we keep bringing this movie again? Marveldrones and DCucks should accept the facts:
- It's technically a bad film (editing, weak plot points).
- It's someone's interpretation of Batman and Superman, not comic Batman and Superman
- It has enjoyable scenes for some (batman kicking ass, WW and her first 5 seconds of her theme)
- It's frustrating to watch for some (everything else)

Did you guys seriously expect a better movie after man of murder? I mean, did you not were there when they announced the casting of ben affleck, gal gadot and jesse for the film? and still had hope that david goyer was gonna make the winter soldier killer?

>YRRRR KILLING MARTHAAA
>THAT'S MY MOM
>I CALL MY MOM BY HER FIRST NAME NOW

>>83060749

Haven't read For Tomorrow, but in Birthright he does embrace it and in both he retains a fundamental optimism about humanity and human nature.

>>83060430

>I can see their parachutes! They're all right!

>>83068842
>But I mean, Christopher Nolan didn't rape his Batman.

Neither did Zack Snyder. In fact in Begins, Batman is a worse person at the end of the movie than at the beginning. In BvS, Batman shows growth.