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So a guy on reddit was able to get a copy of Rebirth early a

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So a guy on reddit was able to get a copy of Rebirth early and leaked some spoilers:

Wally West is back. There are three Jokers. The Original JSA is back. Watchman are now part of the DCU and are responsible for the loss of time???

https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/4kagn8/guys_i_just_read_dc_rebirth/
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Where the fuck is Scanbro if it's out in the wild already? Fucking hell

No surprise on the first and third. Don't care about the rest.
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>after watchmen could be a thing
Why?
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Interior images, obvious spoilers
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>>82967770
Kid Flash costume

dropped
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>Three Jokers
WHAT
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>>82967766
WHY
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>more Watchmen
FUCK
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>>82967788
MAXIMUM MARKETING
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>>82967766
I think we all knew it was only a matter of time before the Watchmen characters were straight up walking around and interacting with the main DC universe
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I just want to take the time to give a great big "FUCK YOU" to all the people who thought DC was baiting us and Wally wouldn't be back
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>>82967766
What? No. What the fuck? Why? What?
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Oh boy alan is goint to rage
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>>82967788
I can only hope this is a temporary thing just for Rebirth. Multiverse shenanigans and all that.
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What are you doing DC?
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>>82967766
...hold up what
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>>82967788

Come on, Batman, you HAVE to kill at least two of them!
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>>82967754
He's probably a little spooked after BC publicized his existence again a month or two back.
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>Watchman are now part of the DCU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qGf4NnhsXlk
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>>82967893
He's also a drone.
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>>82967888
Okay.
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>>82967893
Why does Rich only cause bad things to happen? Why bully a man for posting a free comic anyway? Awful.

>>82967906
He's posted Batman before despite that. Now was as good a time as any to cross the fanboy line again.
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>>82967766
BRAVO JOHNS
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IT'S FINALLY CANON, YOU GUYS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w
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>>82967766
Welp, can't wait to see the DC heroes fight Dr. Manhattan
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I want more info on three Jokers what the fuck
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>>82967761
>>82967799
>>82967800
>>82967818
>>82967856
>>82967900
Stop doubting based Cereal King. He'll use these characters better than Moore ever could. Maybe Morrison will write a Watchmen ongoing that will put the original mini to shame.
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>>82967766
>Alan Moore grumbles angrily in the distance
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Son of a fucking bitch.
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I'm hoping against hope that the smiley is a red herring and is really The Jokers'
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>>82967906
I mean, yeah, he has posted more Marvel stuff and admitted to preferring them, but I remember him coming through in the clutch with DC content before.
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>>82967770
>Sticking a grown-ass man in that costume

We'll get Dick as Man-Robin in the next 10 years, just watch.
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>>82967966
I know this is bait, but you still triggered me. Good job.
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What about Pax Americana?
There are literally two Watchman groups now?
I'm fine with it, actually.
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I'm going to kill myself.
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>>82967983
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>>82967983
obvious in hindsight
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this sounds too fuckin bizarre to be true but I love it
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>>82967983
I count four Jokers, though.
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>>82967932
>Why bully a man for posting a free comic anyway?

>Did you see Marvel people? I helped you out by helping you find a leak! C-can I have a scoop now pls?

My best guess.
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>>82967770

THANK YOU BASED GEOFF
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>>82967766
Reeeeeeeeeee
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>>82967770
I don't know what it is, but his face looks like Archer
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>>82967715
>The Original JSA is back.
The only thing I care about tbqh
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>>82967766
AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAAHHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAAHAhAHAHAHahhasghadsahdadhsdadasdasd
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I can hear Moore turning in his grave, and he isn't even dead yet.
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>>82967770
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>>82968123
This is what he deserves for being like he is, tbqh
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All of this sounds so dumb, I fucking love it.
In Johns I trust.
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>>82968116
Do we know if they are in their old costumes, or did they get redesigned?
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>>82967766
Oh jeez
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>>82967983
>Edge, Edgy, and Edgelord
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>>82967770

There's supposed to be a death right? Is ginger Wally going to die after giving black Wally his costume? Why else have him be in his kid flash suit?
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>There are three Jokers.
Are they going to be like the Three Stooges?
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>>82967983
MOM'S
GONNA
FREAK
x3
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>>82967888
I'm not raping the third, Gordon.
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>>82968176
New52 Supes is dying according to the leaks.
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>>82968176
He is asking bruce for help. I guest RIP if is true.
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>>82967715
>Wally West is back.
B A S E D J O H N S

>There are three Jokers.
This is crazy and I think I love it.

>The Original JSA is back.
Cereal King strikes again.

>Watchman are now part of the DCU and are responsible for the loss of time???
I think I can get behind this and this makes me think the secret spin off book of rebirth that johns might write is a watchmen ongoing or wally or jsa
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>>82968170
Orignal, Iconic, Edgelord IMO.
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>>82967875
He's probably rolling in his grave.
Like, he dug a grave just to roll in, dude's fucking weird.
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>>82967770
YES
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>>82967975
Them repining anything makes him grumble.
This is going to make him have a seizure.
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>>82968230
>I think I can get behind this and this makes me think the secret spin off book of rebirth that johns might write is a watchmen ongoing or wally or jsa
Johns isn't writing any books, anon. He's way too fucking busy.
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>>82967761
WB has been thirsty for a new movie for years.
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>>82968238
>Implying he doesn't already have a prebuilt grave for this sort of thing
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>>82968230
>I think I can get behind this

How are these people allowed to live?
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>>82967770
This makes me wish I saved reaction faces. Someone post joy.
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>>82968230
>sucking Johns' dick this hard
Watchmen in the DCU is a fucking terrible idea, kill yourself.
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>>82967770
Why do I feel like this costume choice was Ethan Van Sciver's?

>>82967766
Really the most appalling thing about this is that those characters really don't serve a purpose in the main universe in any way.

Like, seriously, they only work as the characters they are because they're in their own universe with it's own history. They may as well incorporate Camelot 3000 or Fables into DC Mainline continuity.
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Imagine the (You)s the storytimer would have gotten on these pages. Poor guy.

>>82968176
That doesn't fit with the Titans and Flash solicits having a spoiler warning. He'll be around a while. Black Wally has a mysterious mentor coming up even.

>>82968221
It's not a leak when they're clearly redoing Reign of the Supermen.
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>>82967770
This pose looks familiar.
Or is it just some pose?
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>>82968291
This work for you?
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>>82968264
>>82968275
So Johns brought watchmen to the main universe so he could make a before watchmen movie.
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>>82968291
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>>82967983
How is Snyder going to involve all those Jokers in his ASB run?
Will Batman have a foursome?
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>>82967766
>DC missing one of the biggest points in Watchmen
>Again
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>>82968291
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>>82968292
there are no such thing as bad ideas only bad execution
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>>82967766
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>>82968320
Final Crisis right.
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>>82967770
>BRUCE! BRUCE!
>YOU WERE RIGHT!
>JOHNS IS THE KEY!
>BRUCE!
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>>82968353
>implying DC even understand their own characters anymore
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>>82968292
>>82968304
They don't give a FUCK if it doesn't serve a purpose. They want dat Batman v Rorschach crossover and you know it.
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>>82967766
Welp here comes another shitstorm!

On the other hand they threw in Watchmen characters and references into Teen Titans Go.
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>>82967715
Ozimandias saved DC 35 minutes ago.
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>>82968116
what does 'original JSA' mean exactly? Straight Golden Age?

also, if we have Doctor Manhattan, does that mean we can get an un-Manhattan'd Captain Atom?
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>>82968363
No, this is a really bad idea.
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>>82967770
>>82968291
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>>82968353
The biggest point of watchmen is the big pile of dollars it brings to DC
It was Moore and the readers who miss the actual point.
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>>82967766
>that ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING expression on Batman's face

Even he isn't a fan of this.
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>>82968388
B-but muh cereal king
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Reminder that this is the SECOND time that Johns has brought back Wally

>>82968291
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What was Joker's real name, wasn't it supposed to be revealed this week?
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>>82967959
Batdad?
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>>82967770
THE LEGEND NEVER DIES
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>>82968377
>Geoff Johns has been appointed by WB to salvage the DCEU
Pottery
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>>82967766
I mean...
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>>82968437
Batman's just getting sick of sharing a universe with so many Batman parodies
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Why bring watchmen into dcu when they could've just pushed Charlton characters.
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Anyone got scans of the JSA returning?
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>>82967766
This is probably just some meta multiverse thing, right?
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>>82968327
After Watchmen presumably, Before didn't exactly light the earth on fire.
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>r34 of Harley getting gangbanged by three clowns incoming
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>>82968467
Maaaaaaaybe? :^)
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>>82968504
The guy didn't post more than the two pages here
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>>82968291
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>>82968462
it gets revealed in justice league #50 out next week. supposed to be read prior to dcu rebirth
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>>82967766
Red herring
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>>82967766
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>>82967715
I like all of this except the Watchmen part.
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>>82967770
>Bruce! Listen to me now! It's Geoff! Geoff Jones is the key!
>Am I four years late?
>I'm four years late
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>>82968517
That is a mean backhand
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>>82968534
Batman should have a villain called the Red Herring. He'd be, like, the anti-Riddler. Only false clues.
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>>82967761
All New All Different Watchmen

Go!.
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>>82967766
wait isnt that buried with the comedian? so how the fuck does it end up with bats?
AND DONT SAY RORSCHACH
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>>82967766
Do any of them actually appear? Because this could be some Great Old Ones tier trolling and that's just Boss Smiley.
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But what about Linda, Irey, and Jai?

;_;
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>Johns rooting through Alan Moore's trash again
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>>82967770
>BRUCE!
>IT'S JOHNS!
>JOHNS IS THE KEY!
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>>82967770
Rotten Tomatoes!
Rotten Tomatoes everywhere!!!
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>>82968291
i gotchu senpai, not like these others
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>>82967766
>Those dubs
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>>82968582
Probably just a multiversal portal or something rather than them literally being DCU canon
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>>82968576
By J Michael Straczynski and Jim Lee
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>>82967766
I would have loved to see the reactions if this wasn't spoiled.
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>>82967766
>>82967770
THEY ACTUALLY WENT THERE
WATCHMEN IS NOW CANON
ABSOLUTE MADMEN
B
S
O
L
U
T
E
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>>82968604
>>82968607
HISHE mind
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>>82967770
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>>82968584
>Boss Smiley
That's brilliant
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>>82967766
I'm not happy
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was rob liefeld right? is johns back in a big way? is dc his voice again?
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>>82968582
None of this makes any sense. Hell, it's implied that the Watchmen universe has a Nuclear War shortly after the end of the book.
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I like everything here except Watchmen being canon. Just use Pax Americans instead
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>>82967766
IT HAS BEEN 0 DAYS SINCE DC DID SOMETHING STUPID
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>>82968665
Johns steering things is a good choice. He's a great idea guy and doesn't have time to write most of the stuff he comes up with.

Sucks that he won't have an ongoing though because of movie shit.
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>>82967766
I'm laughing so hard right now.
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Moore is gonna kill himself after killing Johns
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>>82968671
Implied where? Ozy saved the world, as I recall it.
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>>82968010
Pax was in a different universe.
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>>82968230
>I think I can get behind this
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>>82967766
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>>82968683
he's got the next big event book that's for sure
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>>82967766
how can the Watchmen fight the Justice League? like physically how is it possible?

you can't set the up to be the new looming threat.
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>>82968671
>>82968701

It's not implied that anywhere. Dude is a moron.
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>>82968713
>not Snyder/Capullo
I want to see Snyder fuck up an event ending
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>>82968701
Rorschach's journal. might spread dissent. may not believed but they could follow the trail
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https://youtu.be/RE3wBUn-0p8
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So anyone else wondering if this means the JSA and Minutemen were around at the same time?
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>>82968690
2 birds with one stone
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>>82968701
>Ozy saved the world
No he only delayed armageddon, he didn't stop it

The Ozymandias poem that's included in the comic tells you all you need to know

> look upon my works ye mighty and despair
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>>82967766
This may just finally break my interest in comics.
Didn't expect that, but it just broke something in me.
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>Watchman are now part of the DCU and are responsible for the loss of time???
>are responsible for the loss of time
What does it mean, /co/?
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>>82968713
The rumor was that the buildup to that event book was going to be a year long thing somehow and we figured it was what Fabok and Reis were doing with Johns. Don't see how that happens now unless someone like King or Snyder can take over
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>>82967766
>people pretending to be upset by this
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>>82967766
I feel sick
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>>82968176

So are the Watchmen the reason the DCU has gotten more cynical? Thats more meta than usual for Geoff
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GIMME A PIC OF THE JSA
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>>82968772
You drama queen
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>>82968763
I'm done with the Big Two, that's for sure.
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>>82967766
Now we need Marvel crossing over with Star Wars
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>>82968775
Remember though he is more heavy handed he is still in on the hypercrisis with Grant. It makes sense.
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>>82968671
>>82968582
What if DC knew it was gonna leak? What if only the badge came through and the DC universe realize they are lesser to us?

They wouldn't really make them canon, would they /co/?
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>>82967766
The Wizard wont let this go unpunished
someone will perish
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>>82967766
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>implying Johns isnt just fucking with people
TIME AND THE MULTIVERSE IS GETTING FUXKED
THE COMEDIAN PIN JUST ENDED UP THERE
IT SOESNT MEAN WQTCHMEN IS CANON
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>>82967766
That's way company owned characters are a sin
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>>82968817
Cursing their movies was bad enough.
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>>82968771
I forgot who all the people outside of /co/ that demanded to boycott all the creators involved with Before Watchmen were. But maybe once that page gets shown they'll make their self-righteous selves known.
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>>82968817
Will he finally slay the Stancubus in anger?
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>>82968534
>>82968572
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>>82968363
Sorry Anon, but this is a bad idea. DCU will completely invalidate any meaning Watchmen have. You want retarded Batman vs Nighte Owl crossover do Elsworlds or some shit, don't ruin one of few books of actual literary merit in the medium for novelty's sake.
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Can we admit Johns is a hack now?
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>>82968771
I don't understand why anyone would ever give that much of a shit about Watchmen. I literally could not care less. It was a good story, but it wasn't even Moore's best. I think they're just being dramatic because it's fun.
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>>82968701
>comic ends with Rorschach's journal about to be published
>final panel is Doomsday clock at 0
>Ozymandias' entire fucking character is a reference to the idea that everything is temporary

Learn to read beyond just the words that are in front of you.
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>>82968809
I think you mean bring Miracle Man to 616
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Guys you don't get it. It's Johns being Meta. The phrase is who watches the watchmen. the answer is us. we are the ones watching these characters
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>>82967715
>Watchman are now part of the DCU

Well, that's fake as shit, no one would pull out something this stupid

>>82967766

Oh boy...
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>>82968817
Darwyn took the hit preemptively.
;_;
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>>82968777
TRIPS DEMAND IT

I WANT MUH HOURMAN
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>People don't understand why DC's milking Watchmen so much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQEVgbMqq7o
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>>82968866
Not until we read it in context.
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>>82967766
Today is a sad day for Alan Moore
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>>82968582
only way I can accept this is a sliding timescales type deal like first there was the JSA abroad and Minutemen at home during WWII
and later on through out the Cold War we have Teams 1-7(shout out to Wildstorm) and the Watchmen
and now in the modern era we have the Justice League and their government ran counterparts Stormwatch/Authority and Task Force X.

If the Watchmen are capes from Earth-Beard it'll be stupid.
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>>82968875
I would literally set myself on fire if this happened.
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>>82968854
Noone can slay the Stan. Miller already tried and failed.
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>>82968877
He's being meta but I think >>82968775 got it right and it's blaming Watchmen for the dark tone of modern comics and obviously the new 52 itself
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>>82968904
Watchmen 2: The Quest for More Money
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>>82967766
>Darwyn Cooke died for this
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>>82968763
>implying you cared about watchmen before

Drone shills are so fucking lazy smdh
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>>82968855
That guy never did anything, kid Fred was just prejudiced against gingers (ironic, considering Daphne).
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>>82967715
>>82967766
>Not letting Watchmen be its own standalone thing

No, DC... STOP THAT
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>>82967770
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>>82968884
oh my god hes going after everyone involved with Before Watchmen
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>>82968775
BRAVO JOHNS
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what if it ends up being good? the watchmen thing like by some miracle of a chance it ends up decent? would you still be buttblasted?
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>>82967770
Not enough replies on this one, was it too obvious after Titans Hunt's last page?
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>>82968954
>No TRUE fan would stop sucking cock
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>>82967888
Man rape has permeated my mind so much I had to double back and check you did indeed say kill
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>This is all I can give you guys. I'm sure as hell excited for what's to come in the DCU though. Spoiler Oh yeah, Wally is now the leader of Titans.
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>>82967766
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>>82968994
>batman has to rape three jokers now
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>>82968989
>what if it ends up being good?

IM FUCK ING PLY ING
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>>82968989
you know they will, it's the internet
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So, will Sandman actually join JL and fight crime now? Lucifer vs Batman?
Possibilities are Endless!
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>>82968991
Everyone's been expecting it since they announced Rebirth.
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>>82968991
it was fucking obvious since we saw a hand reach out of lightning on the cover. then we saw we had to read this before rebirth flash and rebirth titans. then the end of Titans hunt.
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>>82968991
>the last Titans Hunt page
>Johns shushing Williamson
>Titans being pre NTT characters
>Black Wally being mentored by an unspecified speedster
>needing to read Rebirth oneshot for Flash and Titans

I mean yeah it was obvious
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Can we all agree that this is a reboot?
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>>82969018
I guess that's the best they can do if they won't put him on the JL. Still a downgrade though but at least he's with his friends again.
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>>82968991
My soul won't rest until I see black Wally dead and forgotten.
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>>82968777
DO IT I WANT MY JAY AND ALAN BACK
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>>82968929
yeah then why didnt they have a different clue. that pin is painfully stupid to use
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>>82969044
It's not a reboot. No more than Infinite Crisis was.
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>>82969044
It's not though, they are not restarting the New 52 universe. Just shoving a bunch stuff into it.
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>>82968989
there is no possibility of this being good because the Watchmen even being in the same DC Universe with the Justice League completely contradicts of Watchmen as both story and characters
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>>82969044
Welcome to 2 months ago, of course it is.
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>>82969031
>>82969037
>>82969040
>>82969051
There were still so many people who doubted it though, I guess they were memeing
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>>82968991
well no one expected him to actually be Kid Flash so they got us there.
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Pics of the three Jokers?
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>>82968952
>He was one of the lucky ones since he didn't have to see this
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>>82969030
Sandman has been DC canon since the beginning, Anon.
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>>82967766
It's so over. Abandon ship. There is no redeeming this.

And here I thought things couldn't get any more cancerous than Before Watchmen
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>>82967766
Ok I have always said x-men should be there own universe.

This is even worse.
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>>82969057
theyll bring jl2 alan and jay, yeesh
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>>82969044
Was there ever any doubt? DC reboots every ten years or so, that's what they do.
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>>82967766
JOHNS YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN


But there's obviously something people are overlooking. Just wait until the damn issue comes out.
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Soo who will be the sad bastard that is going to tell the news to Moore?
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>>82969044
No, it's Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis. We've been through this twice.
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>>82969087
There are none. The only pics are the ones already posted, and that's all the guy on reddit says he's posting.
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>>82969051
>My soul won't rest until I see black Wally dead and forgotten.
Better hope he goes to Apokolips and walks around in a hoodie eating Skittles then.
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>>82967770
>Wally is back finally
>Relegated back to being Kid Flash, even if its just in uniform, to the one true Flash, Barry

Fuck you Johns you piece of shit
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>>82967766
Fucking Johns.
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>>82969071
Just like at the beggining of the New 52 they claimed stuff from the previous cronology still counted if they weren't explicitly negated

They keep some stuff, but they are retconning at lot of shit away.
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>>82969123
cry harder
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>>82969051
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>>82967715
>mfw read both 'back's as 'black' twice and only realized it reading another anon's quote

political correctness has tainted my mind
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>>82967715
70 pages, so I gotta believe more happens than that.
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I kind of like the three jokers idea. Like in a way it helps explain the apparent joker immortality throughout time in snyder's bat-run as just one big long prank against batman
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>>82968505
Yeah sure it has to be we all know how much of a fetish dc has for that it's multiverse right... right
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>>82969087
Teaser image using pre-existing art so you can see what they're going for >>82967983
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>>82969123
He'll get a different costume since Black Wally is wearing that in Flash and TT
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>>82969148
You're delusional, this is just Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis again.
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>>82969112
I feel sorry for the poor bastard who has to trek into that cave and tell him.
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>>82969123
If Wally is Kid Flash, what's Black Wally going to call himself?
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>>82969169
They would explain why Bruce thought it was impossible. and why joker can go through so many different kinds of characterization
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>>82967715

He dropped more spoilers, saying that Old Wally is now the leader of the Titans and loses his speed.
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>>82968871
>>comic ends with Rorschach's journal about to be published
I thought the ending was made vague enough that it wasn't 100% that Rorschach's stuff was published.
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>>82969095
Sure, but the first volumes are usually considered just half canon since they contradict later ones (Odin has a small orb through which he sees his DC version and such). And Daniel occasionally visits DCU, I know. But Im talking about Morpheus joining JL or something like that.
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>>82968631
Indeed
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>>82967983
>Golden Age Joker
>Bolland Joker
>Snyder Joker
So these are the canon true Jokers? wtf?
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>>82969169
>snyder's bat-run
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The reddit guy says that the end is a mind fuck. What do you think it will be, /co/?
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>>82968505
Probably
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>>82969191
Nig Flash.
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>>82969108
>3 times over the course of 75 years
>every 10 years or so
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>>82967766
THE ABSUTE MADMEN

>>82967770
...f-fuck it, i'll take it
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>>82969164
Of course more happens. There's a Ted and Jaime part too and some romance stuff. These are just the typical "OH SHIT" pages Johns always includes.
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>>82969095
Also the whole thing where Morpheus killed Hawkman/Girl's son, causing his wife (who was his teammate on Infinity Inc and Wonder Woman's daughter pre-Crisis) to eventually kill him and turn their son into the new Dream.
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>>82969195
oh shit that actually works really well I didn't realize it.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN JOHNS MADE EVERY JOKER CHARACTERIZATION CANON IN A NON-MORRISON META MAGIC WAY
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>>82968991
I have some titans hunt inside info. was about to post it, a few times. But, I am going to pull back, in case it gets used in Rebirth still. I don't know atm. I don't want to ruin anything, if it does.. But sadly, I don't think it will. Hunt was cut short for Rebirth. so the payoff never came. Chekcovs gun was set up.... But the movie was cut before the resolution and pay off ever happened.
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>>82969196
>loses his speed
Kek
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>>82967996
Uh
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>>82969196
>loses his speed
>when everyone in the first Flash arc is GAINING speed

D R O P P E D
R
O
P
P
E
D
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>>82969196
he didnt say anything about wally losing his speed
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>>82969191

if the spoilers are correct, black wally is kid flash and ging wally just goes by wally and is basically retired from the hands on stuff
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>>82967766
>Make amalgam versions of character you already own canon
jesus christ DC
i cant wait for the day they meet their counterparts
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>finally get Wally back and people still complain
>people now acting as if Watchmen was the magnum opus of comics
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>>82969123
Be gratefull the nigga brought Wally back TWICE.
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>>82969232
>Wally will be Godspeed
Nice source
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>>82969196
>loses his speed.
FUCK YOU DC REEEEEEEEEEE
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>>82969232
I thought Godspeed was the villain? Doesn't make sense if they'll make him the Titans leader right away.
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>>82969202
>Sure, but the first volumes are usually considered just half canon
I don't have the book on me, but I'm pretty sure you see JL members show up to Morpheus' Wake.
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>>82969247
Nah man, we're getting this costume.
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>>82969169

Morrison already explained that as Joker being "hyper-sane." He's so crazy that he knows subconsciously he's in a comic book, and every so often he has a crazy tantrum and goes though a huge personality shift. Morrison himself wrote Joker with three contradicting personalities during his run to hammer it in.
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>>82969196
>>82969253

you missed the other comment then, i saw it too
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>>82969257
>expecting people to not complain

Where do you think you are?
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>>82969196
He just said he's the leader of the Titans, I can't find anywhere where he says he loses his speed.
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>>82969215
What is Crisis?
What is Zero Hour?
What is New 52?
What is Convergence?
What is Rebirth?
What is etc, etc, etc...
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>>82968414
This.
We need the original charlton characters back.
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>>82969205
All 3 of the new Jokers are Caesar Romero.
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>>82969202
Well, Darseid went to the funeral at the end.
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>>82969191

Ginger Wally is basically going to be the Parallax/Evil Hal of the storyline. Bet they make his ass the next Spectre in like two years.
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>>82969190
>Moore puts a curse on the Messenger, he can only get sexual gratification when he is raped
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>>82969310
Can I get Vic Sage Question series ;-;
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>>82969308
Literally only COIE and Flashpoint were reboots, but keep memeing
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>>82969308

Only 2 of those are reboots. Zero Hour just tidied up the timeline.
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>>82969308
N-not reboots
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>>82969051
Who will be the George Zimmerman of the DC universe?
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>>82969257
Nigger Including Watchmen in canon couldnt miss the point harder if they tried
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>>82969257
>Wally is back
>in Kid Flash costume
>which likely means we just lost the Flash Family
>Impulse too probably
>no speed
>fast nigger still around
>Barry still around
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>>82969308
A reboot
A clean up
A reboot
A clean up
A clean up
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>>82969191
Equal Opportunity Flash
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>Three Jokers

I'm sorry, what?
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Chances of that guy being a DC employee leaking for hype? I'd say about 70%

>>82969328
Dude that's not going to happen. Let that shitty Gentry fanfic go
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>>82968771
It's just such a clusterfuck and crushes all hope that rebirth could have actually been a good story, a good direction for the company, editorial and new titles. It's shitty, if you can't understand why it's shitty you probably weren't that into Rebirth and its announcements.
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>>82969308
>Zero Hour
>Convergence
>Rebirth

If these count as reboots, then Marvel has been in a constant state of reboot for the past 50 years because they keep ignoring past canon.
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>>82969339
No you get Rorschach and you will like it.
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why is johns so based?
>gives us old jsa
>gives us wally west back
>canonizes multiple jokers
>got christopher priest on deathstroke
>helped to give us ted and jaime beetle book
>greenlit every good idea so far
>got rucka back
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>>82969341
>>82969342
>>82969352
>>82969374
All these delusional DC tards.
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>>82969288
where? I searched for speed and powers and losing/loss and found nothing
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>>82969359
>THREE CHRISTS????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eAo_7EccVo
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>>82969378
hurm
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>>82969350
>Barry still around
>Implying that's bad
>still being a bitch even when they just brought your guy back
Wallyfags everyone
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>>82967766
So you guys think this is what Dan Didio and Geoff Johns were teasing as the most contreversial moment in DC history?
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>>82969257
>people now acting as if Watchmen was the magnum opus of comics

It is the magnum opus of DC, at least
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>>82968938
Kek what? Miller won. Lee is now in bodily freefall, all of his systems are failing, Cooke will sustain him for a few years at most, but look at Miller recovering.
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>>82969392

Is One More Day a reboot? Or Extremis?
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>>82969400
definitely
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>>82969308
Crisis was a continuity reboot.

Zero Hour was a full timeline reboot and partial/minor universe reboot.

New 52 was a full reboot of EVERYTHING.

Convergence was not a reboot of anything.

Rebirth, I dunno.

Infinite Crisis was a multiverse reboot.

Final Crisis was supposed to be a reboot, but it basically rebooted nothing.
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>>82969400
Yeah but they probably mean specifically Watchmen being blamed for the bad in DC rather than just making it canon.
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>>82969402
But that's All-Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder.
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>>82967715
>Original JSA is back

Thank you cereal lord.
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>Watchmen

My fucking sides
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>>82967715
I think it s retro obvious that the Whatchman thing is just temporary.

Maybe just for the first issues with interdimensional travel.

Nothing permanent.
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>>82969415
One More Day was indeed a reboot, but Extremis really wasn't.
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>>82969202
At Morpheus' wake, there is Batman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, Jed Walker, Wesley Dodds and Darkseid. And those are just the ones that I remember.
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>>82969350
>>82969399
Yeah, you guys get Wally back and you still wanna bitch. You're simply incapable of being happy, you just NEED something to complain about.
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>>82969348
More than likely it'll be another earth or something which keeps everything the same

>>82969350
So nothing has changed except we get Wally back
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>>82969451
We get Jay back too presumably
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>>82967770
>someone, somewhere, will call this whitewashing
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>>82969441
>image
I mean I'm glad to see it but I don't get it.
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>>82969405
>You're feeling now, aren't you? What the rest of us live with everyday. Don't worry, the whores will soon work its way out of your lungs. But I didn't have to go easy on you. A different binding agent, a stronger mix... I want you to remember that. I wanted to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in your most private moments, I want you to remember the one man who beat you...
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>>82969448
>Hey guys, Wally is back... in pog form, but he's back, that's all you wanted right?
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>Watchmen in dcu

Hahahhhahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>Geoff Johns

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>82967766

what the fuck are they doing?
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>>82967788
>Three Jokers
Ones the comedian
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>>82969257
This is /co/, don't be suprised
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>>82969191
>If Wally is Kid Flash, what's Black Wally going to call himself?
Usain Bolt
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>>82969477
Why worry about stupid people? Come on man

It does suck if they don't bring his family back somehow too though. Interracial relationship and mixed kids would be an easy sell to those types.
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>tfw /co/ is just mad they'll never get their fanfiction published as an actual comic while johns gets to do things like write watchmen into a big universe and bring back dead characters
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>>82969426
Rebirth seems to be like Time Trapper story in Legion done up much bigger.
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>>82969478
Makes people more likely to read his comment
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>>82969202
They reference Kirby's Sandman, Hector Hall and Lyta Trevor play roles, Mr. Miracle and Martian Manhunter appear in one of the early stories, and Superman, Batman, Martian Manhunter, and Darkseid cameo at the wake.
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>>82969257
Man Johns IS based.

He made /co/ care about Watchmen and Moore!
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So what's the Joker's true name? Bats seemed pretty shocked when he read it, so presumably it's someone he knows. Wasn't it supposed to be revealed in this book?
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>>82969533
Honestly what if it is? Johns has used him before.
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>>82969549
It's revealed in JL #50
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>>82969549
>So what's the Joker's true name?
Legion for we are many
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>>82969549
Martha
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>>82969191
Speed Bump.
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>>82967715
WHERE'S THE FUCKING SCANS?
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>>82969257
It's not about being a Magnuson opus it's about not working in the dc universe at all
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>>82967766

Lel the amount of triggered fan boys right now. Batman will single handedly beat Dr. Manhattan.
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>>82967770
>whitewashing Wally
Disregard for the past is what's wrong with DC since new 52
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>>82969549
he was shocked because there are 3 names instead of 1
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>>82969573
WHERE DID YOU HEAR THAT NAME ANON?! IT'S MY MOTHER'S NAME!
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>>82969549
It probably told him 3 names at once, which were all a blur, that's how Geoff will get away with not giving him a name.
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>>82969549
Jeoff Gohns
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>>82969441
Source please?
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>>82969595
its obviously an alternate universe.
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>>82969537
Ha this.

People shouldn't worry until we get more information.

Probably at the end of the arc Whatchman characters will be back on their universe, this seems to happen before the Whatchman comic anyway, with the Comedian alive.
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>>82969593
the dude on reddit said he doesn't have the book anymore and doesn't seem to be giving out any more spoilers
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>>82969593
Nowhere

The redditor just posted a couple pages that were posted above

Unless scanbro or somebody else storytimes it here later, you gotta wait until late Tuesday/early Wednesday
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>>82969639
m-more?
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>>82969605
>He doesn't want Family Man Wally to be Teenage Wally's mentor
Wow, that's some colossal shit taste right there.
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So are all of you just moviefags posting ITT pretending you read DC? Wally is back and who fucking cares is Watchmen exist in the Multiverse? You didn't think there was a Vertigo Earth?
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>>82969643
>late Tuesday/early Wednesday

Specifically 2-3am est on Wednesday is when DC rips tend to show up. Might be earlier with the "midnight release" thing
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>>82969639
I didn't know that guy had made more art.
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>>82969549
Wasn't it implied that the Joker is the Greek God of Chaos?
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Dr Manhattan would totally kick Supermans ass!!!
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>>82969664
>You didn't think there was a Vertigo Earth?

That is some great trolling, let's see if anyone bites.
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>>82969399

NU52 Barry is a terrible character, though.
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>>82969664
Yeah really, I expected more Wally hype

Maybe people never cared about him and only used him to shitpost
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>>82969573
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?
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>>82969671
No, just that they're similar.
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>>82969664
Well people are pretending to care about Watchmen so yes
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>>82969671

No. Not ever. Not sure where you got that idea.
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>>82969697
How the fuck is it trolling? Vertigo is a subsidiary of DC. Obviously there is a Vertigo earth. Constantine, Green Arrow and Animal Man have all been published under Vertigo you dumbass casual.
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They put Watchmen canon in dcu, but not Miller's Goddamn "down with the brown" Batman.
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>>82969664
>Vertigo Earth
That's the square one where everything is opposite, right?
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The Watchmen thing has actually gotten my attention. Since it's Wally,who was outside this universe, that says "we are being watched" and since OP is saying that the watchmen stole time or some shit I would Imagine it has more to do with Multiversal crisis shenanigans than actually introducing them to the main continuity. Maybe the watchmen are actually like the earth 42 chibis? Cosmic horrors posing as conventional stories?
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>>82969701
Bringing back old Barry won't change that the book needs new writers
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>>82969746
Actually King canonized the lemonade scene in Grayson
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>>82969671
No
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>>82967983

So can all three Jokers fuse together for one Mega Joker?
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>>82969702

We've known he was coming back from DC's teases. I wanna know where his family are, where is he's ending up and with what creative team. I'm already braced for him to be cursed with Booth
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>>82969671
That was a metaphor. Or something among those lines.
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>>82969752
Nah that's Earth-Me
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>>82969759
>stole time
Shit, sounds like a case for the time monks.
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>>82967983

Should be fun. No clue why idiots are complaining.
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>>82969664
>You didn't think there was a Vertigo Earth?
Not since Flashpoint. The Vertigo earth got folded into the main universe along with Wildstorm.
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>>82967754
>being this new
Scanbro is a marvel cuck
and by that I mean he works for them
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>>82969746
>>82969765
Anyway Morrison asked Miller about Earth 31 for Multiversity but Miller declined so it was changed to something else.
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>>82969765
He also thought the redhead DIck slept with at the beginning of New 52 Nightwing was Barbara, don't pay too much attention to those word balloons.
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So Batman has to rape 3 Jokers now.
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>>82969794
he storytimed the end of dotf
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>>82969783
Titans and Flash are pretty much a given at this point
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>>82969774
Ask Halkman
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>>82969793
>actually responding to his bait

Awww, but he tried to keep it going so much >>82969697
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>>82969740
Vertigo is part of DC, but to suggest that all the Vertigo stories take place on the same Earth is retarded.
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>>82969785
Oh that's right. I remember reading that in Moore's Omniversity last year.
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>>82969807
Only because it sucked
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>inb4 Bueno follows Black Wally into an alley and triggers ZimZam 2: the EXCELLENTE'ing
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>>82969818
Whoops, quoted myself, he tried to keep the trolling going here >>82969740
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>>82969826
The truth is that he doesn't want to scan the equivalent of four comics.
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>>82969763

I just hate the fact that Barry's mom was betraying his father with that Fryer cop and that Barry's father was a jerkass that constantly beat her up. Then there's the fact that Iris was a egotistical cunt that just wanted to use Barry for the longest time for her news.

It's like... why even? The fucking show managed to have a better characters.
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>it's a multiverse story
>people thinking this means Watchmen is canon to main continuity now
wew lad, this is some grade A retardation right here
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>>82969740
Vertigo books were set all the main earth
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>>82969843
are you people really this dumb? What dont you understand about every single thing that has every happened in DCs history exist in the bleed? Jesus man do you even New Gods?
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>>82969838
kek
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>>82969793

The Vertigo universe never made any sense and Flashpoint was fucking stupid.
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>>82969866
hes done the big shitty spider issues before
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>>82969803
>they will kill each other
>they will team up for the greatest joke
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>>82969888
The Watchmen never existed in any parallel Earth, in any part of the Multiverse

Of course they don't exist in the main Earth, because the story needs to be in an alternate Earth, but now they are part of the Multiverse AND they are interacting with the main Earth.
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Zoom when?
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>>82969874
Before The Flash show, I always thought Frye was Thawne in disguise.
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>>82969783
concept art is by Booth.
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>>82969902
Yes they are that dumb. They think Watchmen is special and "untainted" when it was always a part of DC just by being published
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>out of universe Wally said the "we're being watched" line
>Johns recently talking about DC being about Hope and Optimism again
>Watchmen is widely regarded as drawing in the (tonal) Dark age
>Snyder directed Watchmen
HEY
HEY
ITS JUST JOHNS DUMPING ON SNYDER AND GRIMDERP
DONT FREAK OUT AND THINK WATCHMEN IS LITERALLY BECOMING CANON
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>>82969950


Not him, but what is so villainous about the watchmen characters interacting with DC heroes?
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>>82969925
Those were 64 pages at most. This is 80.
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>>82969976
Why is Johns so GOAT?
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>>82969902
>it's the b-bleed!!!!

Awww, poor casual, what happened to Earth Vertigo, casual?
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goodnight sweet prince.
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>>82969888
If it's just Earth-701 or something, that's one thing. But if they actually start crossing over, thats dumb. It'd be like crossing over with Transmetropoliton.
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>>82970021
>>82969976
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>>82967766
Watchmen characters shoved into dcs main continuity? Nope...I'm out. That's fucking dumb and you don't do that. It was lame enough with wildstorm, but this is too far. I thought this woulda been a nice hopping on point for dc again but nope
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>>82969957
The Flash preview pages had some scenes of Flash history stuff like Barry killing Thawne. If they fixing him that would open the door for Zoom too. But I wouldn't use a bunch of Wally villains unless he got his own book anyway.
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>>82970009
Seriously man just stop you sound retarded. Do you even Hyper Crisis? Its all always existed in the DC universe. Always.
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>>82970014
So, which Joker is this one?
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>>82970044
>>82969976
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>>82969759

Too meta for Johns. His stories have always been straight silver age ones at the end of the day.
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>>82969961

reading the reddit thread dude also claims Wally's the leader of the Titans
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>>82970064
Liefeld said he read it and it was more meta than he expected

And Johns is more bronze than silver age
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>all these Johns dicksuckers ITT who didnt even read Watchmen and think this is ok
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This sounds retarded. Was Johns forced into this by WB/DC execs like Harras and Lee like he was with the Nu52?
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>>82970052
Is Earth Vertigo from the movies, though? Where did you get that hilarious idea for a troll post. You couldn't have come up with it yourself.
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>>82969950
They existed in hypertime. There are infinite earths and continuities outside of the 52.
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>>82970057
Snyders. Rightmost over here
>>82967983
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>>82970089
>>82970099
>i-it's bad guys, p-please
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>>82970089
I own a first edition physical copy of Watchmen and I could give a shit less. If you care you are a stupid fucking casual that probably ONLY read Watchmen.
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>>82967766
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>>82970099
No if anything it's Johns getting his way because WB/DC execs were wrong before
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>>82970057
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3922740
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>>82969976
Wasn't "superheroes are for kids and they shouldn't be grim-n-gritty" one of the many points of Watchmen?
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>>82969976
DONT FORGET
>Liefeld confirmed its way more meta than expected
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>>82967770
>>82968320
YARE DA
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My only problem with the Watchmen thing is that... COME THE FUCKING ON, DC! YOU GUYS HAVE THIS STELLAR CONCEPT THAT IS THE MULTIVERSE FULL OF AWESOME UNIVERSES! YOU GUYS COULD CREATE SEVERAL LINES OF 10/10 COMICS BOOKS. GRANT MORRISON ALREADY LAID OUT ALL THE GODDAMN WORK! LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO WILDSTORM! YOU GUYS COULD HAVE REBOOTED IT AND RELEASED NEW BOOKS TAKING PLACE AT EARTH-50, BUT INSTEAD TRIED TO MERGE IT WITH THE MAIN UNIVERSE AND THAT UTTERLY FUCKED THE WILDSTORM CHARACTERS!

SERIOUSLY, SINCE INFINITE CRISIS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THIS 52 MULTIVERSE FRAMEWORK AT YOUR HANDS AND INSTEAD OF UTILIZING IT ALL YOU GUYS DO IS IGNORE IT AND WORK WITH THE MAIN UNIVERSE! STOP BEING DUMB!
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>>82970001
>liking DC's Bendis
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>>82970107
Are you dumb dude? The Vertigo Animal Man is not the main Animal Man. The Vertigo GA is not the main GA. The Vertigo Constantine is not the main Constantine.

You are brain dead as fuck. I bet you also assume every Batman story ever happened to the same Batman.
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>A crossover?
>In muh comics?
>No no that should never happen
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>>82970144
Pretty much.
Watchmen started grimdark period because people didn't understand the Watchmen but liked it for stupid reasons.
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>>82970144
Watchmen is one of the stories responsible for dark age of comics
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>>82970174
what's the point of having wildstorm ip's if they''re not gonna interact with the main ip's?
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>>82970089
Motherfucker, the only ones claiming this isn't fucking retarded are the ones saying he's doing something clever and meta with the story.
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>>82970064
Johns has referenced Morrison as an influence in rebirth interviews. Didio has said that the story allows for the new 52 continuity to be part of an even grander continuity. Also Johns isn't beyond metafiction, see legion of 3 worlds and infinite crisis.
>For some reason I don't understand and probably never will, it always comes down to superman
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>>82970099
of course this reeks of Warner Bros.
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>>82970144
Watchmen was more just an exploration of what would be the implications of superheros in the real world. Basically what Zack Snyder tried to do if he wasn't retarded.
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>>82970120
>p-p-pls be hype!!
>>82970127
i dont believe you. even someone who reads Watchmen on a casual level would know whats wrong with this
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>>82970177
Bendis?
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>>82970185
>The Vertigo Animal Man is not the main Animal Man
Uh, yes it is.
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>>82970185

>The Vertigo Animal Man is not the main Animal Man. The Vertigo GA is not the main GA. The Vertigo Constantine is not the main Constantine.

Before Flashpoint they were.
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>>82970198
Just because people missed the point doesn't mean Watchmen didn't have said point.
Motherfuckers thought the point was "Superheroes should be grown-up and mature" when the point was the exact opposite.
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>>82967766
I'm done.

Bye DC, it's been real.
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>>82970144
Many people took the wrong things away from Watchmen, that's likely the reason for the call-out if that's how Geoff is playing it.
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>>82970067
can't confirm or deny...

There is a Flash in the JL.
There is a Kid Flash in the Teen titans.
..
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>>82967766
You'd think people would be used to Moore's stuff being bastardized.

Anyway, I need more than a button to lose my mind
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>>82970185
Goddamn, you brilliant troll, you've definitely earned all these (You)'s, have another my man.
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>>82970219
No hes not. Hes a different Animal Man. Even if all those things happened to both of them the exact same way hes not the same Animal Man. Why is it so hard to wrap your head around this?
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DC died about 10 years ago when the editors/management who had guided it through the Crisis, 90s, Vertigo etc all retired. They had no one competent to replace them and that's why we're get retarded shit like the Nu52 and this. Len Wein, Jenette Kahn and Karen Berger especially. It's sad as fuck how that corporation died utterly as a competent organisation. You could write a fairly interesting business school paper on it.
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>>82970240
Yes that's true

And because of that it's one of the stories responsible for the dark age of comics
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>>82970214
Yes the writer Bendis.
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>>82970199

How's that working for the Wildstorm characters since the reboot? Or the Milestone ones? The merging doesn't work. Cross-overs are fine, but full merge are awful because the editors and writers will always pay more attention to the DC proper characters. Heck, not even the Charlton and Quality characters has been used well since the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
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>>82970262
Wait a writer? He's a writer?
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>>82970262
Ah the comic book writer Bendis. Who writes comic books.
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>>82968809
Mark Millar said he had an idea for that and wants to do it.

Me, I think he just wants to write something that's guaranteed to sell a hojillion copies. A monkey could come up with a decent idea for a Star Wars/Marvel crossover.
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It's like they don't know what made Watchmen popular so they just try and cram it into whatever and hope it makes sales
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>>82970127
>Trade waiter thinks his opinions of comic books matter

the real fans are having a discussion now, you can respond to what happens in 6 to 9 months.
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>>82970249
There's a Titans book (silver age team) and a Teen Titans book (newer characters). The meaning is clear.
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>>82969950
Everything exists in the Multiverse you dolt. Our fucking Earth exists in the Multiverse. That is the whole point of the Multiverse.
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>>82970260
Then shouldn't Johns be lambasting Liefeld or whoever the fuck, seeing as how he's one of the guys who missed the point and created the so-called "Dark Age", rather than Moore (who wanted the exact opposite to happen with capes)?
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>>82970249
Barry is in JL

Wally is in Titans

Black Wally is in Teen Titans
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>>82970280
>>82970284
I don't understand this meme.
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>>82967770
PRAISE BASED DC
PRAISE BASED JOHNS
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>>82970299

Titans being the fucking Superhero B-Team is hilariously sad to me. Poor Dick and Wally
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So, what group will he join?
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>>82967766
THIS IS FUCKING STUPID BUT IF FIND IT SO COOL WHY I DON'T EVEN LIKE JOHNS
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>>82970327
Meme? You don't understand it?
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>>82970254

Before Flashpoint there were one and the same. Remember, the Animal Man pitch Lemire gave was before he knew there would be a reboot. Only then that he changed things a bit. Before that the idea was that Brightest Day would start to use the Vertigo connection more.
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>>82970306
This you stupid autist, jesus christ. If I drew a doodle of a Superman comic it fucking exist in the Multiverse.
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>>82969671
It's just one of many possibilitys but it is my favourite
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you all are missing the most important part of Rebirth.

How is the DC rebirth effecting Colonel Sanders?
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>>82970240
It gave me Sandman. So I don't care
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>>82967770
I MISSED YOU BBY
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>>82970336
Freedom Force.
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Johns once again has proven that he is not only a hack, but a corporate slave. Pax Americana was all we needed, but now thanks to this fucking retard Watchmen is part of his OC universe.

Not a single element of Morrison's work and multiversity play a role, i can't understand hoy Johnsfags keep defending that faggot and claiming he is into the hypercrisis, when is clear the guy only cares about making money for the suits.
3 Jokers? 3 Jokers? he is shitting on the best part of an already tired character, that he reinvents himself.

Johns is a hack, reminder that HE was behind new52-
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>>82970318
You have to break their idol for them to see how they fucked up. Moore would be mad regardless so it changes nothing for him.
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>>82970349
And I'm saying that it was a different Animal Man. He would have been the main continuity Animal Man, where the Vertigo stuff happened to him and the Vertigo Animal Man would have kept on existing. Think divergent timelines.
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>>82970298
>Come check out my long boxes full of floppies guys. Sure most are shit but they'll be worth something one day!

I don't even know what you're talking about but here's your (You)
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People keep acting like because they could theoretically crossover watchmen into the main dcu it's okay. Watchmen was a standalone piece of literature designed to tell a story beginning to end with a purpose. And then just BE that story. The prequel shit I refused to read was bad enough but this makes no sense. It was never meant to be one of the many dc universe's. Just it's own fucking story. And johns couldn't even respect that for his stupid fucking crossover. This is just a fucking cash grab as far as I'm concerned and I'll no longer support the man or company behind it. Not when the company has so little respect for the integrity of any of it's works.
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>>82970174

It was clear DC had no idea what they were doing and Johns was overstretched to the point of uselessness as long ago as the 52 universes coming into existence. It defeats the entire fucking point of a having multiverse as a fictional concept to limit it to only 52 universes.

Now I don't post-Convergence I don't think anyone understands the DCU cosmology or basics like it's timeline. They're the kind of thing execs and management would dismiss but actually underpin your entire IP in a fucking serialised medium or genre like comics & superheroes.
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>>82970401
>And I'm saying that it was a different Animal Man.
>MUH HEAD CANNON

Amusing to the end!
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>>82970333
Well that's what the characters deserve if that's what fans want them as.
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>>82970389
>reminder that HE was behind new52
no he wasn't wb was. he wrote the story yes, but only because he was writing flash at the time and it was just supposed to be an au arc
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Fuck you DC. I hope you go bankrupt financially as you are already there creatively.
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>>82967766
this is dumb
>>82967770
this is going to cause all kinds of butt hurt on tumblr
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>>82970419
It's still its own standalone story, you idiot.
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>>82970426
Its not head canon its fact. You clearly don't even comics my dude.
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>>82970424
It's fairly clear though. There's a local 52 and then everything else. Morrison explained it.
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What will happen when this whole thing fails comercially?
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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/20/warning-dc-universe-rebirth-1-spoilers-leak-on-reddit-and-you-wont-believe-dc-comics-has-gone-there/

>So I asked around and was told that, yes, they are genuine and that the comic states that Doctor Manhattan was directly responsible for the existence of the New 52.
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>>82970487
But I thought it was Barry?
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>>82970466
>this is going to cause all kinds of butt hurt on tumblr
not really, the other one still exists
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>>82970448
Well with DCYou they just creativity but financially went down south.

Creativity and financial business in comics and inversely proportional
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>>82970401

No, before Flashpoint it was one and the same. It was just a seperation of lines. Like, sure Lucifer takes place in the DCU, but since he's being handled by the Vertigo line of books, with Vertigo editors and Vertigo writers and artists, we will try to keep the DC heroes references to a minimal. That was it.

But then in 2011 the Vertigo line was selling like shit and Didio decided to start to use the DCU side of the Vertigo by the DC editors, writers and artists, but the continuity was still one and the same. Then the reboot happened and they tried to change things a bit.
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>>82970508
Barry is Johns husbando. He can't be the one who DESTROYED the universe
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>>82970487
>/co/ will S-T-I-L-L defend Johns
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>>82967715
>It's like they don't know what made Watchmen popular so they just try and cram it into whatever and hope it makes sales

This. Exactly this. It's how we wound up with the shit show of the Snyder DCEU movies because WB/DC as an organisation didn't understand what made the Nolan Batman movies work and just made everything grimderp.
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>>82970528
He didn't even read them, don't argue with an obvious troll.
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>>82970487
FUCK THIS WHOLE GODDAMN COMPANY
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>>82970487
Come one. Manhattan wasn't perfect but wasnt so dumb to make New 52
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>Watchmen, a direct criticism of superheroes being taken seriously is dragged kicking and screaming into manchild fantasy land

This is so fucking disgusting.
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>>82970547
>>82969976
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>>82970508
it was pandora actually. barry just tried to set it back to normal, pandora is the one who shoved two shitty other universes in there too
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>>82970306

That's the theoretical and fictional exact point of a multiverse. But DC's retarded ass version only had 52 universes. Y'know completely defeating the entire fucking point of having a fictional multiverse.
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>mfw I don't care about Watchmen and loving all the people flipping their shit about this
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>>82968374
Looks like it
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>>82967766
I'm down with it but I'm more down with the maximum butthurt it'll cause
>>82967770
BASED
A
S
E
D
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>>82970482
>Batman Vs Rorschach #1 (of 12)
>Batman Vs Dr Manhattan #1 (of 12)
>etc

That will keep them afloat for a while
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>>82970389
Mulitversity was just another Morrision self indulgent wank fest, editorial was never going to canonize it by making it a cornerstone of the DCU going foward.
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>>82970579
>implying you care about Watchmen
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>Watchmen joins the DC canon
>DC goes full Vertigo and the Rebirth event is a fucking huge deconstruction on superheroes and reality, with obscure and esoteric references
Marvelcucks on suicide watch
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NEW THREAD

>>82970409
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>>82970469
You know what I mean you fucking shill. It's now part "OF THE MULTIVERSE!" when it could have been left alone.
Now get back to eating the slop they feed you cos your a good loyal fanboy who doesn't care about the quality of what he consumes.
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>>82970579
>Disgusting

How can people be such drama queens.
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>>82970487
>Watchmen movie comes out
>DC reboots to drag in casuals for the DCEU
>DCEU is a spiritual continuation of Snyders Watchmen
>>82970170
>>82969976
I hate the capekino meme
I hate the cereal king meme
But jesus fuck is this teally gonna be a case of people not getting a basic meta plot
Fuck comic book fans
Fuck Watchmen "fans"
Fuck Allan Moore
Fuck you /co/
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>>82970508
>>82970487

Johns is a hack that turned Barry into a genocidal. And now he wants to blame others.

>>82970446
>no he wasn't wb was. he wrote the story yes, but only because he was writing flash at the time and it was just supposed to be an au arc

>/co/ still believes in Johns

Johns and Lee were the ones that put new52 togheter, Johns may have not came out with the idea, but he Is the to go boy for all this shit, he is an executive whore. Nothing more.
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>>82970528
After 3 decades of comics I just accept it all exist in the same Multiverse but even things like Azzs WW and JL I see as being different characters on different earths. Sure they may share some back stories, or maybe even their history is exaclty the same but they are different characters. I suggest you wise up and stop basing what is and isnt the same Earth on what comic companies tell you.
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>>82970611
Im half expecting
>Question vs Rorschach #1
to make it even more fucking pointless.
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>>82970597
DC's never only had 52 unless you're pretending like they made hypertime non-canon at some point (protip: they did not)
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>>82970598
I love it because /co/ hated Watchmen before and/or touted that "it's not as good as everyone thinks it is"

But now that Johns is possibly shitting on it and it got dragged into a mainstream comic, /co/ now think it's one of the greatest books of all time
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>>82970665

Sorry for caring about comic books and artistic integrity. I forgot where I was for a second!
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>>82970598
This
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>>82970683
which question? see i just made it worse
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>>82969044
IT'S NOT A REBOOT
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>>82970696
>implying /co/ is one person
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I'm literally in it exclusively for Superman, what's going on with him
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This thread is fuck movie.
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>>82970696
Congratulations, you figured out the secret of /co/!
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>>82970598
Do you care about DC or big 2 comics at all? Because this is a really bad sign if you do
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I can't wait for the dark knight returns vs all star superman vs watchmen. It'll be so great isn't John great guys!?
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>>82970747
All of them because they all coexist
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>>82970749
>the same opinion being agreed upon thread after thread, day after day, weeks on end
>one person
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>>82970598
I'm with you, bra. It's really funny
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>>82970794
>I can't wait for the dark knight returns vs all star superman vs watchmen
I am 200% behind this
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>>82969976
>ITS JUST JOHNS DUMPING ON SNYDER AND GRIMDERP

He is the hack that killed BARRYS MOM He has never been into meta stuff since he is just not that smart, reminder that Johns believe the ROMANS were a thing 5,000 years ago
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>>82970755
The guy said it just teased what we already knew from the current arc and solicits that he's dying. Whether that means a real death or just a fakeout is anyone's guess. I think he's back in a year regardless since they seem to be reliving the 90s
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>>82970780
If you don't care, then why are you here?
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>>82970681

I'm only saying that before the Flashpoint reboot that the DC and the Vertigo/DC comics took place in the same universe, with limited refences to one another here and there.

Then the Flashpoint rebooted happened and for the first year or so the books that were pitched before the reboot was actually a thing kept a bit of the previous continuity, like Swamp Thing, Animal Man and Batwoman, until the editors and writers decided that keeping the old canon was stupid and slowly started to change things. For example there's no Tefe.
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>>82970683
Oh don't you fear, anon, that's the second cycle.

First we gotta rake in that Batman Vs money though!
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>>82970798
I must have been in the wrong threads, because from my end Watchmen was fairly looked up to, at least by those who understood it.
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>>82970598
Same

>mfw this entire thread
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>>82970572
Only Johns was
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>>82967766
Have no fears, we've got stories for years!
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I can't believe that you fucking morons think the anger is specifically because people are treating Watchmen as a sacred cow. While some seem to be doing that, most of this hate is coming from the fact that DC has been touting rebirth as a "fresh" and "new" line of stories and storytelling, and then we get the shittiest thing possible to go against that which is resurrecting people and Watchmen shilling
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>>82967770
>>
This is my question: Is the Watchman reveal worse than OMD? I was trying to think of how monumentally stupid this is, and that was the only thing that came close. Maybe the time away from OMD has made me soften on it but this feels worse.
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>>82970796
>Rorschach and Question Inc. #1: The Questioning!
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>>82970882
If it's shitting all over Watchmen, is it really shilling?
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>>82970705
Shared multiverse. The characters belong to the company. Neither you nor Moore get to decide what is done with them. And even then no one knows the actual contet behind this and it most likely has to do with multiversal stuff rather than them being reintroduced into continuity.
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>>82970926
yes because it's specifically using the characters to make money and is devoid of artistic integrity
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>>82970903
>people will reply to this
>>
So yeah I'll just no longer be reading DC until johns is gone. I won't bother supporting a company that'll regularly turn it's works of art into so much crude fuel for the cash/hype machine.
The guy clearly only respects the shit he's nostalgic about.
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>>82970616
>he didn't read Convergence
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>>82970982
>So yeah I'll just no longer be reading DC until johns is gone

Good news! Rebirth is Johns' last book. He won't be writing for DC in quite some time
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>>82968949
>Watchmen 2: The Quest for Moore Money
ftfy
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>>82970950
Buy hey maybe they should have decided not to do it all their own. Nah. Maybe not just cheapen anything to make a little more cash.
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>>82970982
k
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>>82970598
This guy gets it.

Who fucking gives a shit if the Watchmen are brought into the DCU proper?

I'm more worried about the Joker thing.
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>>82970267
characters are only as good as their writers anon
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>>82970982

Torrenting comics doesn't mean you were supporting them Timotyh
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>>82970982
We get it anon
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>>82970780
>this is a really bad sign if you do
In what way?
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>>82970389
>IF MORRISON ISN'T THE BE ALL END ALL OF EVERYTHING THEN X IS A HACK
fanboy logic
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>>82971071
Just wait.
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Silver age 2: Electric boogaloo
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>>82970982
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>all these fucking man children
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>>82967770
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I KNEW HE WOULD COME BACK SOME DAY
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>>82970385
I love it, legit as fuck.
If he was an british anti-hero that has a rivalry with Uncle Sam I think it could work.
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>>82967770
>Kid Flash costume

You almost pulled it off, Geoff.

Why the fuck would adult Wally EVER wear a Kid Flash costume? He outgrew that shit 30 years ago.
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Does that mean that If I bitch, scream and cry long enough jester Harley can comeback? Cool
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I told DC to BTFO Marvelshills, they actually did it the
A B S O L U T E M A D M E N
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>>82971304
Wait and find out next week, nigga!
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>>82971319
Fans have been bitching about that since 2009, so probably not.
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>>82969426
So many patches, and yet, the DC Universe is more convoluted than ever before.
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This actually might be the most controversial thing DC has done in awhile. Bravo
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>>82971355
Gotta try
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>>82968871
Nogga you need to reread that shit.
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>>82971375
New 52 itself definitely had way more controversial decisions, but since then you may be right.
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>>82970433
Fans did not want Wally demoted. For a very long time. The only reason it's the case now is it's been 10 straight years of fucking the character and pushing Barry so his much larger fan base was weened off and now newfags only know Barry.

Most of the people reading Flash right now never knew Wally was The Flash.
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>>82971375
I'm actually surprised Didio may not have been exaggerating.
>>
Anyone who's okay with this deserves the direction cape comics have gone.
You clearly don't give a shit about the sanctity of a well told story anyway. Enjoy your gruel...err cereal.
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>>82971024
nobody read Convergence that's why Rebirth is a thing.
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>>82969426
>New 52 was a full reboot of EVERYTHING.

>what is Batman
>what is Green Lantern
>>
>>82971515
Most people don't view Wally and Dick on Titans as "demoted", they see it as the characters being with their friends
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>>82971363
>Implying Marvel's continuity isn't just as fucked up despite never having a Crisis.
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Where the fuck is that guy that said that DC would NEVER EVER bring ginger Wally back?
Oh, I am laffin
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>>82971541
>sanctity of a well told story anyway
AHAHAHAHAH
>>
>>82971375
Well they tried quietly putting out well written books and it didn't work, so it's time to hop on the money train Marvel's been riding and push out #1s whenever they feel like it and stir up controversy.
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>>82971593
He didn't even mention Marvel. Why do DC fans always instigate company wars?
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>>82967766
STOP, INVINCIBLE CEREAL KING!
>>
>>82971611
I have some screencaps of people saying Supergirl wouldn't get a season 2, wouldn't crossover with the Flash ever, would never come to CW, etc. I just gotta dig em out so we can have a good ol "people who were fucking wrong" thread.
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>>82967770
Does that mean black Wally will die in Teen Titans?
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>>82971611
It's not actually Wally. This is Pre-Crisis Lex after gaining super powers and becoming the new Flash after assuming a new identity.
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>>82971688
No?

They literally shoved Black Wally in there and in the Rebirth promotions so people wouldn't scream at them for bringing White Wally back

Wally is probably going to mentor Wally
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>>82968680
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>>82971691
Why would Lex call himself Wally in his own mind?
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>>82971738
Blackie Sally can shine masters shoes up real quick
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>>82971671
Please, do
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>>82967766
hmmm, i wont mind if what they do doesn't suck
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>>82971671

>That guy who said there'd be no time travel on The Flash show
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>>82971691
>Lex
>knowing who Wally is
>>
Someone explain exactly why this is a bad thing?
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>>82971738
Why doesn't Barry just mentor Bally instead? Bally is his nephew or nephew of his friend after all.
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>>82971874
>Johns
>not sucking
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>>82971965
:^)
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>>82971860
I still don't understand the reasoning behind people who genuinely thought that they wouldn't bring Wally back. It was obvious.
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>>82971950
watchmen is considered high patrician art and shouldn't be put mainstream idk idc

if it doesnt suck im fine with it, they kinda did the same deal with captain Marvel
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>>82971956
In the solicits they explain it as this event is gonna make Central City FILLED with speedsters and Barry's not gonna have enough time for NuWally at first. Wally needs someone to help him and OldWally steps in.

Old Wally also seems to help Barry in general but keeps his distance at first.
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>>82971950

It isn't. Just butthurt fan boys as always.
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How is this not a sticky
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>>82971897
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>>82972192
It's not a movie
It took like six hours after the official announcement of Cooke's passing to get a sticky, and the Rebirth live stream got a sticky after the stream was almost over and about 4 600+ reply threads.
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>>82971671

People who thought BvS would be the biggest movie ever.
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>>82968994

explain to a casual
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>>82972309
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>>82972202

>2 year anniversary of this post was 5 days ago
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>>82970389
I never thought until now it was possible for Moore AND Morrison to get simultaneously fucked by DC. But I guess they proved me wrong, their dick is substantial enough to accommodate that feat.
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>>82967766
No sir, I don't like it.
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>>82969373
>actually thinking Rebirth was gonna be good and not more of the same stupid shit
Stockholm syndrome man
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This is exactly the kind of thing Johns and DC would do. I remember around Infinite Crisis people saying there won't be 2 Lex Luthors, the good guys from the COIE which was already 20 years old by that point won't be dragged up as bad guya for 30something man children to nostalgia over, it will be new stories and IP simply influenced or paying homage to classic stories like Morrison doesand Johns won't actually drag up literal decades old plot points etc.

Also Warner's love to shit on Moore every chance they get.
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>>82968941
But JOHNS was the guy behind new52, and new52 had a lighter, and casual tone compared to new earth.
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What was the last page reveal that DC said we shouldn't skip?
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I have truly become... the DC Rebirth
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>>82969399
That's Wally fans in a nutshell.
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>>82973345
Brainiac descends from the skies and in the middle of the three dots on his chest we see the Superman shield
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>>82973563

I hope you're kidding
>>
DC hires Alan Moore
Alan Moore creates Watchmen
Watchmen kills superheroes.
DC kills Watchmen.
Watchmen creates the New 52...
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>>82969257
Dude, Watchmen IS one of the greatest comics ever made.

You might be from a time after it was made into a movie and then before Watchmen was made, but it's always been a classic, right from the moment it was first published.

Is it perfect? Nothing is. But its greatness is pretty hard to deny without trying way too hard to do so.
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