>>“Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot

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>>82943048
>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow
I'm not clicking that link, just tell me, is the author a woman?

Fighting over a woman is interesting?

Fuck that. Widow and America's pure friendship is one of the best parts of the movie,

Besides he knows his daughteru is best girl.

>>82943102
Chuck Bowen

>>82943138
Fucking nu-males.

>>82943048
>Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot that pivots on a desire or emotion

Probably.

>>82943048
>Wouldn’t Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America and Iron Man fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow
No.
No it wouldn't.

>>82943102
His name is Chuck Bowen.

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>>82943048
>"Why can't these action movies loosely based on comic books be more like rom-coms?"

>>82943199
>his

>>82943048
>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow
Now you triple nigger, it wouldn't! How come people like this are alowed to write anything?

Literally who wants another goddamn love triangle? Even teenage girls are sick of that shit, believe it or not they too enjoy variety.

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>>82943048
>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow

>>82943048
I thought it was already about Tony and Bucky fighting for Steve's attention/support?

>>82943199
More like Cuck Bowen

>>82943048
>fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow

Pretty sure the person who wrote this is also the kind of person who complains about women just being love interests

I am not even a Marvel shill, but every negative review on Civil War is just objectively wrong. Disliking it is okay, but why people are so stubborn to admit that it's a genuinely well made film? I mean, Mad Max won couple of Oscars.

>>82943301
Okay but Mad Max had brilliant cinematography and great practical effects, comparing yet another generic MCU blockbuster to it is farcical.

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>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), whose approval they are both clearly jockeying for anyway? “
Pic tragically relevant.

Also Tony has/had Pepper and Steve has/had Peggie.
Huh I just noticed those names are kind of similar, anyway the latter is made more unfortunate not just because of her death but the fact Steve could tell Sharon was attracted to him and really only gave her a pity kiss as thanks for how far she was willing to go to help him and the others.
So even if Steve learned Natasha was similarly interested he probably wouldn't act on it until they were at a point where he felt he had strung her along too far.
Which sort of happened in The Winter Soldier but she also kissed him there and moved on so they clearly have an understanding.

>>82943246
Teenage girl here,

Only romance I want from Marvel is a Vision and the scarlet witch movie.

Note that this isn't some lowbrow critic. This guy apparently watches arthouse films all the time.

Shit like this is quite literally why my enjoyment of film became non-existent. Because critics are fucking retarded, the entire lot of them.

>>82943241
Because 60% of the world thinks like him.

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>>82943362
I'm sorry but I just can't condone it, I know they get together in the comics but in the MCU Vision has gone too far to be deserving of her love.
Unless and until he suffers horrifically, and he probably will when Thanos comes to collect that gem, it just doesn't sit well with me.

>>82943362
You gotta be at least 18-years old to post here, kid.

I'm telling your mommy on you.

>>82943216
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_5KgpN38hM

>“Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot that pivots on a desire or emotion, rather than earnestly deployed pseudo-techno-jargon? Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), whose approval they are both clearly jockeying for anyway? “

>Wasn't the 1950s great?

>Whatever happened to white drinking fountains?

>>82943102
You're confused if you want to say feminism wrote that article

>>82943048
I'm liberal as shit and this is the dumbest thing I've read in a while.
And that includes the stupid shit you guys post here on a daily basis.

>>82943362
Sorry, no fun allowed, that'd be too comic book-ey.

How comic book-ey? Producers didn't want Scott Lang to grow bigger because they thought it'd be too risky, Russos had to fight over that.

>>82943048
No, that would absolutely be the most infantile garbage imaginable. You have world-shattering power and you use it to try and impress a girl?

Mark Millar fan detected

>>82943048
>>>“Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot that pivots on a desire or emotion, rather than earnestly deployed pseudo-techno-jargon?

This guy is a tool.

Steve Rogers is DESPERATE to save Bucky. Why? Because once Peggy died (an artful piece, that) Bucky is the only connection Steve has to the world of his birth. He time-traveled 60 years into the future, and he's...so lost.

Bucky gets him. Yer goddamn right Steve is gonna go to the mats for him.

This guy is a film critic, how did he miss the CORE of the movie? Was Cap being a dick 'just because'?

How European. Smart but stupid.

>>82943509
Wouldn't shrinking him be riskier than growing him?

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>>82943048
It would be Black Widow the one fighting to have both.
At the same time.

>love triangle in superhero films

I already got Arrow and Flash for that.

>>82943430
Well of course. Vision and Scarlet witch is a ship built on constant suffering and melodrama.

My dad gave me old volumes of them. I need him crying like a bitch for her love.

>>82943561
>how did he miss the CORE of the movie?
You do realize that most people don't get that there are supposed to be themes in stories, right?

>>82943594
They went through that phase in Ant-man's movie.

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>>82943362
Maybe Vision shouldn't have gone full retard if he really loved his waifu.

>>82943377
>>>82943241
>Because 60% of the world thinks like him.

Then let those dumb fucks make stupid, boring movies and go watch them.

Oh, wait.... That doesn't happen at all!

You're full of shit.

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>>82943363
>Because critics are fucking retarded, the entire lot of them.
What else is new?

>>82943675
Exactly, so why would growing be such a hot topic when shrinking is much more absurd?

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>>82943048
fag

>>82943485
It's scary how accurate this is.

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>>82943048
>“Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot that pivots on a desire or emotion"
>"emotion"

This dumb motherfucker. The movie is all about emotion. How they cloud judgment, how they drive us toward goals good and bad. Black Panther's whole character arc is about overcoming emotion for fucks sake. But no let's get away from that and Tony and Steve's ideological issues and instead make it a love triangle. What a dick.

>>82943720
What is that?

>>82943102
Probably not, women today the idea of women being a prize to be fought over

>>82943740
Which is funny because Widow has always had the least emotion on the crew. She's usually objective. Or stupid.

>>82943430
To be fair Vision treating Wanda like shit is pretty consistent in the comics too.

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>>82943720
I've been looking for an excuse to post this.

>>82943732
Do I look like a Marvel movies producer to you?

>>82943460
EightTEEN
NineTEEN

>>82943755
A terrible boring drama with baby's first symbolism that pretends to be a horror movie.

>>82943755
Psychological horror film.

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>>82943818
>>82943826

>>82943803
Only porn calls 18 and 19 year olds teens though

>>82943048
A cynical review by someone who thinks he's more intelligent than everyone else, but thinks a love triangle plot would be better than Civil War's

>>82943884
Porn calls 28 year old women teens too. An 18/19 year old is still a teen either way.

>>82943720
It's not even that (I actually liked The Babadook, sue me).

It's that film critics are so tied into the idea of "it's all subjective anyway" that most critics really don't care about their own opinions anymore. They'll follow trends if it seems to be popular; they'll go against trends if it gets them views. All they really care about is staying in the game, and they have the nerve to criticize filmmakers for roughly trying to do the same thing.

>>82943048
>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson)
Fuuuuuck that.

God if anything, that's way too boring, petty, and pedestrian. Heroes like Cap and Iron Man stand for something. It's infinitely more interesting that they fight for ideals or beliefs that they wholeheartedly believe in.

Not to mention that it sends the right message. It's not healthy at all for people to fight for someone's affections like that. These movies have a lot of appeal for children and you wouldn't want them to think it's okay to obsess over someone like that. Superheroes have always been about setting the right example.

>>82943908
No if you're still in porn at 28 you're a milf. Under 23 teen, over 25 milf. Between the two it can go either way depending on the girl.

>>82943138
>>82943199
Oh. So it's a woman then.

I just want a movie where a robot and a witch get married, move into the suburb and hijinks ensue.

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>>82943337
>Superman
>DUDE

>>82944262
Come on, you don't even need to see any other pages to know those are some other people putting those words into their mouths

>>82943337
It's the chicken between robin and the missile that really sells it.

>>82943048
reading Marjorie ''[UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON ISRAEL???]'' Bennett twitter meltdown over this was nothing but cathartic keks

>>82944158
It honestly depends entirely on how old the performers look, more than anything. Boob-size also legit counts. Gianna Michaels is technically considered a milf iirc purely because of her huge natural titties, despite the fact that she's rather young-looking and more so than other 'milf' performers, but most would never actually put her in the genre, I think.

>let's gather some powerful individuals who would cause property damage and endanger citizens by their fighting, because we want to fuck
Real heroic, guys.

I mean, heroes are still destructive, but at least they have a better excuse.

>>82943048
The reason they looked for Widow's approval is she was the only one there at the time from the original crew. Hulk and Thor are off doing whatever, and Hawkeye didn't jump in till the middle. They respect her and by having her approval, it makes them feel they are in the right.

That someone would want to change that into "they want to fuck her" is kind of insane.

>>82943720
Watched this for the first time about a month or so ago.

It really isn't that good at all. Boring as fuck actually and not even really particularly scary.

>>82943275
This.

>"Hey guys, would it kill those Star Wars movies if they were set in down town San Francisco and instead of an evil empire fighting a rebellion it's about shoe shopping and Luke just trying to balance his work life with his love life?

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>>82943362
FUCK THAT
We now have Wonder Fillion in universe.

All I want out of Marvel movies is for them to stop feeling so similar. That, and no more shaky-cam fist fights.

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>>82943048
They are fighting over ideology and freedom.

>>82944967
Yeah but who gives a shit about that, there's a woman in this movie so where's the romance

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>>82945013
Steve+Bucky is a love that transcends time and biology.

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>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans)
and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow

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>>82943048
>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), whose approval they are both clearly jockeying for anyway?

>>82943337
Name of this comic please.

>>82943720
>Child screaming for hour is a moving story?

>>82945116
based rightclops

fuck captain fascist

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>>82943048
>Im Chuck Bowen, a spritely pignosed arthouse fag critic, and this movie should have had focused on desire and emotion, not shallow reasons like the control and conspiracy to set up one of your oldest and only surviving friends from the 1940s, or the conflict of having to go against your friend because the one person their protecting killed your parents albeit against their will, or the worlds reaction to your misunderstood power.
>No, it should be 2 superchads fighting over some pussy.

>>82943720
>The Babadook is a 2014 Australian-Canadian

It's concentrated shitposting

>>82943048
>pseudo-techno-jargon
Only if you write an article that doesn't pivot on redundant writing.

Not sure why I said that here, he can't see me.

>>82945285
could be, should be Superman/Batman #78
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/supermanbatman-78-who-would-win-a-world-of-their-o/4000-244932/

>>82944562
Screenshots?

>>82943509
The Russos or Markus & McFeely? Because the Russos have been avoiding comic book-y stuff more than other MCU directors.

>Zemo
>Falcon's "costume" in TWS, which they only made slightly less tacticool at Mackie's insistence
>Cap's costumes
>No robo Zola

>>82943102
God dammit I'm a woman and the reason I like this films is because they don't do this shit

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>>82943216

Uh, I'm pretty sure NOT being thought of as a fucking prize cow is what we as females should be going for

>>82943485
Kek, this is still pretty good.

I guess even SNL is still funny every once in a while.

>>82943048
fuck his shit opinion
but the massive marble balls he has to publicize it on the current pc climate we live in is to be admired

>>82944890
>All I want out of Marvel movies is for them to stop feeling so similar.

...Ant Man is similar to Iron Man?

GOTG is similar to...anything?

If you really want different takes on the cape genre, look to the Netflix shows, they're really doing a good job making those feel VERY different from the Big Bright World of the mainline movies.

>>82946689
>but the massive marble balls he has to publicize it on the current pc climate we live in is to be admired
I don't think his intent was to stick it to SJWs at all; I think he's just THAT stupid.

>>82943685
>Oh, wait.... That doesn't happen at all!
Are you somehow under the impression that there isn't a constant flood of rom-coms?

>>82943048
Kind of off-topic, but does anyone have the webm of Laughing Chrisface on STOP INVINCIBLE SON's body?

>>82943618
Frankly, he's not really The Vision until he's had a good on-screen cry.

>>82943720
The Babadook might have had the most unlikable main characters (the mother and the son) of any movie I have ever seen.

>>82943216
Thor The Dark World is the closest we're gonna get and even that is not like most rom-coms. If it even is one in the first place.

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>>82946932
Here you go.

>>82943685
>Oh, wait.... That doesn't happen at all!
Anon, I don't think you realize that most people really aren't into superheroes or what most people consider 'nerdy' things at all. Most people really are content with watching the same shitty romcoms or comedy movies over and over again.

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>>82946978
Thanks, anon.

Thanon.

>>82946978
This is Evanskino right here.

>>82943102
>is the author a woman?
No, your gender is being the retarded one.

>>82946997
Why is there a sequel to Neighbors with the exact same plot but with girls?

>>82943048
>Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot that pivots on a desire or emotion,

Yes, yes it would.

Good talk, very interesting conversation. let's never have it again.

>>82943048
>base emotions
>literally the most lazy film making techniques

>pseudo-techno-jargon
>wah I don't understand what's going on please tailor these movies to my poor intellect.

>>82943362
I like me some Vision/Wanda in the comics, but I was feeling Scott/Wanda during the movie. It'll never happen but goddamn am I rooting for it.

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>>82947058
Because the cast is so likeable that a sequel has been cried for.

>>82946253
Cap's Winter Soldier costume is straight out of the comics, minus the helmet

>>82945120
"BITE ZA DUSTO!!"

>>82947058
Because cute girls being slobs is the hip new trend in comedy

>>82946695
They all have the same fucking directorial style and tone is what I'm saying.

>>82943505
I don't really see what this has to do with liberalism. It's an idiot going into an action movie and bitching that its not a rom-com.

>>82947196
I was gonna make some remark about that until I remembered Chloe Grace Moretz is the leader of said slob group in the movie.

>>82947196
So we're Jenny McCarthy 1990s Singled Out all over again. Great.

>>82943676
Am I the only one who thought that was Jessica Jones at first? Camera made Wanda's hair really dark.

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>>82947421
They showed her face right before that, dude.

>>82947221
>They all have the same fucking directorial style and tone is what I'm saying.

...HOW IS THAT WRONG?

They are THEMATICALLY SIMILAR because the source material is THEMATICALLY SIMILAR.

This is how comic books have been written for decades. Of COURSE they're thematically similar, they share a continuity!

Serious question, have you ever read any comic books?

Marvel Comics has SO many stories to tell. They're holding up FOUR global-class movie studios (to varying degrees of success), and they're running, what, ten different television shows?

And even with all that, they're not making a DENT into the stable of stories Marvel has to tell.

So if they've decided to put ten or twenty movies into a shared continuity, it's not like that's all they have to work with.

>>82947221
This is simply not true.

I went back and watched the first Iron Man the other day and it stood out how different it was to Civil War, and Guardians, and even Iron Man 3.

Every MCU movie shares themes and arguably a certain formula, but they definitely feel different if you're paying any attention at all. IN FACT, in my opinion I think they're sometimes too different. It's jarring to have one movie with a based composer and the next with some schlock generic score.

>>82947447
Lemme let you in on something: 99% of Marvel comics (and DC comics, really) are absolute garbage. And therefore, just because it's like the comics doesn't mean it's any good.

And secondly, a good director has a voice. Marvel movies all have the same voice, because the real driving force behind the films is corporate. It's not bad per se, it just turns the movies into a huge case of SSDD. If that's your thing, knock yourself out. It just ain't my poison, capisce?

>Serious question, have you ever read any comic books?
Not a lot of Marvel, no. I have read quite a bit of comics though.

>>82947693
I'd honestly say Iron Man would be the exception, but that's just my totally subjective appraisal, so ymmv.
Regardless of directorial styles and tone, they are quite a bit of fun, so whatever.

>>82947698
>> all marvel movies have the same voice
No I think you get it wrong it's more like an orchestra every one has its own instrument with its own voice but when you put it together you got one composition.
And then you got shit like Thor that doesn't even know what is doing and deserve being eating by Hannibal

>>82943102
Sexist dipshit.

>>82947196
and in my boner.

What's incredible is that, to write that paragraph, you'd have to not know what technology is and somehow misunderstand technology so much that you think it's the driving plot of Civil War.

I'm not going to read the review to see if he actually explains this.

>>82943048
Just wait, the Captain Marvel movie will be a romance adventure about Carol and Mar Vell.

>>82943336
Civil War had great effects and action scenes too.

>Wouldn’t Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America and Iron Man fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow

Written by Stephanie Meyers

>Would it kill a movie to not follow any sort of formula its comic book origin left for it

>>82949702
And then the Fanfiction where Steve and Tony invite her to their Playroom.

>>82944890
I could see someone saying Iron Manand Iron Man 2 feeling similar. Or Winter Soldier and Civil War. But don't you fuckingvtell me GOTG and Winter Soldier are similar. Or Ant-Man and AoU. They're very different movies.

>>82949548
fuck, I'll just be happy that Mar is there at all

>>82949740
>Black Widow will never be trapped in your sex dungeon where you torture her sexually until she willingly cums buckets

>>82949848
Honestly I'd be happy with a retelling of the Episode with him and Carol from EMH, with more focus on them and their relationship as a start to a Carol tirology.

>>82946253
The Russos want to do MODOK and insisted on Spidey, who looks far more comic booky than any of the characters.

The debate was if having Giant-Man in this movie would steal thunder from Ant-Man & Wasp movie.

>>82949884
It'd be interesting if Captain Marvel and Ant-Man start a trend of establishing legacy in debut movies.

>>82943336
MCU blockbusters aren't generic, they are clearly branded.

>>82943288
If he was then he shouldn't be complaining about this film, Black Widow wasn't anyone's love interest and Vision's affections for SW were only hinted at

>>82950259
It was clear to everyone the Wanda and Vision were in a relationship.

The cooking scene is the most blatant.

>>82947106
I wanted a Scott/Wanda scene and fuck I wanted to see a Witchy/Ants team-up in the airport fight.

>>82949936
Zola would fit MODOK very well.

>>82946959
That's kind of the point. The Babadook is the spirit of grief/despair and feeds off the resulting bad parenting, its defeated by a mother's love.

>>82943138
>Cuck Bowen

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>>82947106
Sad at the lack of Scarlet Ant art.

>>82951007
Cap bunny has good taste.

>>82943048
Captain America: Troy War

>>82951007
Why are they bunnies?

>>82945116

Did AvX get different artist?

I dropped the shit after the first issue. Romita Jr.'s art just made everything look awful

>>82943048
Really? Of all the things to complain about? That's a issue? No love-triangles? Seriously?

>>82945427
>plus a power gilr huntress team up
MUST READ

>>82943048
>The Guardian

Literally the worst fucking "newspaper" in the world. Brits like to piss and moan about The Daily Mail, but The Guardian is just its left wing extremist brother.

And its opinion pieces are the worst. Any Guardian opinion piece boils down to taking the most leftist opinion on anything that you can think of, and presenting it with a superiority complex. It's Info Wars for champagne socialists.

>>82943246
But the Bucky, Cap and Iron Man love triangle is the best part of the movie.

>>82951627
Because cute.

Also Cap's all about protecting Bucky and Wanda.

>>82943048
>>“Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot that pivots on a desire or emotion
But the conflict between iron man and cap is constantly re-sparked by both of their emotional failings. Has this person seen the movie?

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>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson)

>>82951627
Because they will appear in the Zootopia sequel

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>>82943048
>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), whose approval they are both clearly jockeying for anyway?

Fuck no.

>>82951007
Wanda Rabbitmoff is too cute.

>>“Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot that pivots on a desire or emotion, rather than earnestly deployed pseudo-techno-jargon? Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), whose approval they are both clearly jockeying for anyway? “

I'm trying to approach this from all angles and they all lead to the same answer "Uh, no? What the fuck are you on about?"

>>82947447
>And even with all that, they're not making a DENT into the stable of stories Marvel has to tell.
You sure? Because they are tackling a lot of the big ones.

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Fucking women, just can't stand it when they aren't the center of attention, can they?

>>82943138
Who names their daughter "Chuck"

Romance in action/adventure movies are trash. Who the fuck would want that as the focus?

I knew I'd read something garbage today.

This morning I was thinking back on some screencap from tumblr where they all agreed Jurassic World would have been better if Chris Pratt s character had been female so the ladies would have made fun of each others shoes the entire time.

Sorry, don't have the cap

>>82949936
They even originally planned for Arnim Zola to escape the explosion in Winter Soldier with a machine body right out of the comics.

>>82954233
It's short for Charlie

>>82954360
Who would name their daughter "Charlie"?

>>82954368
Anyone that names their daughter Charlotte?

>>82954415
So horrible people, then.

Romance subplots in action movies should be banned.

Especially in superhero movies, 99% of the time they're pure shit.

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>>82951712
yeah, they switched to based Olivier Coipel after the Phoenix showed up. Everything after that is a feast for the eyes. Just don't read the words.

>>82954437
What's wrong with the name Charlotte?

>>82954861
She is a rectangle with tits

>>82954877
I don't understand this reference

>>82954896
Look at a woman
Look at a rectangle

>>82954906
The fuck does that have to do with someone named Charlotte?

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>>82943048
They should have fought over the affections of a woman named Martha.

>>82954368
Only time I've heard of a girl named Charlie is in that Zappa song.

>>82943048
>>“Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot that pivots on a desire or emotion, rather than earnestly deployed pseudo-techno-jargon?
Yes, didn't you see the reaction to BvS?

>>82943048
OK... what?

The whole point was the emotional conflict. You get to the end and realize... there never was any super soldier techno army. There was just the revelation that sparked revenge and conflict.

There wasn't a wave of tech jargon. There was a clash of ideals and viewpoints. This movie was entirely driven by emotion and will.

Just because they didn't add a romantic subplot doesn't mean you can say it didn't have emtion or desire.

Are there any other golden nuggets in this article?

>>82943048
Yes, im sure captain america and iron man would fight each other for the affections of black widow. Rally up a bunch of friends too, im sure vision cant wait to get in on that shit.

>>82943048
While I disagree with the gay rom com idea the movie really could use some emotion with the characters acting out of spite, desperation or something to give these movies a little humanity or passion they're currently so sterile and cookie cutter with every character being the badass who makes quips

>>82943048
>Tony wants to punch Cap in his perfect teeth, goes full tsundere for him
>Zemo compliments Cap's eyes
>Scott goes full retard when he sees Cap and touches his chest
>However, Cap only has eyes for Bucky
What is this faggot talking about, it's already a romantic movie about everyone fighting for Cap's affections.

>>82955349
What are you talking about? Tony seeing his parents die for one was pretty emotional.

>>82955349
>really could use some emotion with the characters acting out of spite, desperation or something to give these movies a little humanity or passion they're currently so sterile and cookie cutter with every character being the badass who makes quips
Bucky hesitating to trust Steve, Steve standing firm to prove his undying loyalty to a friend who couldn't even remember him and both running for their life because the world was closing in on them wasn't desperation? Not elaborate enough? Should a violin piece and tears have accompanied the scene?

The defeat Bucky has on his face when he's sealed inside an air tight container like expired fish?
The horror and fury Bucky has when he realizes Zemo is about to manipulate his already traumatic mind fuckery to hurt more people when he thought he'd escaped all that? When he thought he was safe with Steve?

Or how about after all this Bucky is in the Quinjet with Steve and having lost all hope just admits that the world is never going to see things how Steve does or care that Bucky's been MKUltra'd and ultimately they have to live alone with the repercussions and memories of what he's been made to do. Should some flash cuts to the victims been added to hold the audience's hand?

If you've seen Manchurian Candidate, 2004 remake with Denzel if you can't be bothered with the book or first movie, that Tony references this is what Bucky and the other Winter Soldiers dragged around by HYDRA went through. Yeah I think among the inhumane treatment the victims were subjected to there's a little humanity there. If you didn't catch that sort of thing I think it says more about the audience's empathy skills once action pops up not the emotional material in the script.

It's like seeing the original Robocop do badass scenes and suddenly deciding he's too cool to care about when they explain he's a fucking brain in a jar with a face stapled on who lost everything.

but the entire driving force behind the plot was a love triangle between tony, steve and bucky

>>82946253
Robo Zola was in a deleted scene.

>I WANT TO FUCK SCARJO

vs.

>I don't care. He killed my mom.

>>82954938

I chuckled.

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>>82955360
>Scott goes full retard when he sees Cap and touches his chest

Has anyone done this with the Rule 63'd characters?

I need it.

For reasons.

Can someone tell me if Sharon Carter is relevant to the whole story?
Most of the things she does can be done by Maria Hill, it seems like she was created just so Steve could have a love interest.

>>82955360
"It's on me."
"It's on both of us."

>>82943048
>“Would it kill one of these movies to have a plot that pivots on a desire or emotion, rather than earnestly deployed pseudo-techno-jargon?

Civil War was centred on desire and emotion, wasn't it?

The desire to keep your bro safe at all costs.

>>82956731
Well if you know your character use 101 you consider she's related to Peggie so it's easier to tie her loss with Steve's, and use the fact she feels she owes Steve and Peggie to drive her character whereas Hill was just sort of following orders from Fury or helping him out or whatever during Winter Soldier.

>>82956852
Civil War's whole theme was about how emotion effects people, and about friendship and how Cap is able to bond with people much better than Stark

>>82956865
>she's related to Peggie
But that's the only thing she has going for her doesn't it? Does her character even develop beyond that?
Please be patient with me, i'm genuinely curious. I'm a DCfag and the only reference i have are the Marvel movies.

>>82957160
I'm not sure if I can do a good job of explaining what the movies do through all the tricks of storytelling but I'll try.

Well, yes, the Peggie relation is the strongest connection between the two but Sharon was also assigned to go undercover and watch Steve for some time before the beginning of The Winter Soldier. She pretended to just be a conveniently single, attractive and friendly neighbor in his apartment and all that entails whenever she met Steve.

Steve became rightfully paranoid however after Fury was shot in his apartment and Sharon comes sneaking in with a gun, but later she needed him to trust her so she compromised her cover and confessed the truth of who she was and why she was there. Mostly clarifying she wasn't with HYDRA. He understandably wasn't pleased about why she was hawking him either way since he was fed up with the lies, distrust and deception eating away at the country and its people.

So she felt she had betrayed the trust of the man her aunt had lauded the character of all her life, then she saw that character first hand as he literally brought freedom back to America by giving a True Patriot's speech that inspired even the lowliest member of SHIELD to choose death before dishonor and then Steve sacrificed himself to take down HYDRA.

She was understandably moist ever since, hence her eagerness to be more of use to him. And all that entails.

I agree her presence seems like a needless detour in the events of Civil War itself, but I guess it was just to tie up a loose string between them since Maria was shown doing fine with Fury in AoU and the Russos brought back everyone else still kicking from TWS into CW (Crossbones, Widow, Sam, Bucky, etc). Their little kiss scene also served to complement the contrast with Steve's old and new friend.
Bucky and Sam despite their dislike for each other both approve eagerly of Steve's happiness.
If Maria was there she'd probably just salute and walk away and we don't get that chemistry.

>>82957712
So i guess we can conclude that she's just there so she could be a love interest for Steve? At least in the movies. How about in the comics? Does she play a bigger role besides her relation with Peggie and as Steve's lover?
Thanks anon, i appreciate the explanation

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>>82948189
You guys act like this wouldn't be the plot to one of those trashy romance novels.

>>82958145
>How about in the comics? Does she play a bigger role besides her relation with Peggie and as Steve's lover?
It's sort of the same affair over a longer period of time and with weirder antics endured.

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>>82943048
>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow

No. No it fucking wouldn't.

>>82943362
MODS

>>82944589
I hate how misused the term MILF is these days. Any vaguely mature looking women is classified as such, regardless of whether they even have kids or not. It's fucking dumb.

>>82956670
Shoulder-length cut girl Bucky is too cute

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>>82943048

Fucking no.

That's beneath them. It would be shameful for them to fight over something like that. I mean, holy shit.

>>82943048
movie about Loki becoming an anti-hero while exploring his relationship with human Darcy Lewis when?

>>82960853

Is it so wrong that I would actually love this?

why does he ignore she wants banner?
I mean, the other two know by now, obviously

ignoring all other retardation of his aside, the idea wouldn't make sense just for that

>>82943502
It did. The Guardian is pretty much SJW: The Newspaper.

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>>82943048

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

>>82953129
Nah, the Guardian is still OK in it's reporting. Certainly of a higher ethical standard than the Mail.

Opinion pieces are a crapshoot though, yeah. Comment is Free can bring up some shit.

>>82954698
Why is there so much cyclops pandering in the comics? He's such a goddamn Mary Sue?

>>82947014
What are Sam Wilsons? We just don't know.

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>>82943048
>Wouldn’t Captain America: Civil War be a more interesting movie if Captain America (Chris Evans) and Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) fought over, say, the affections of Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson)