>182 minutes and 29 seconds directors cut version Will

Don't have anything else to do.

>>82822451
no

obviously i will

>182 minutes

Yeah ok

>and 29 seconds

FUCK THAT. TOO LONG

Fuck yeah I will. The biggest problem with the movie was the editing; I'd love to see what the full product looked like.

>>82822451
182 minutes of why the fuck would I

>>82822451
Not long enough. Where's the 4 hour version?

I suppose

>>82822451
i will... so i have more material to hate Zack!

Remember before BvS came out Snyder said he had final cut and DC let him make the movie he wanted to make and desperate apologists used this as evidence that this would be watchable?

I bet it'll turn out better than the cinematic cut like Watchmen did. Snyder make good movies that are made much worse by cutting them down. I think he's just incapable of shortening plot threads

Yes. Do we have any idea about release date yet?

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>>82822451
No. I won't.

>>82822588

DELETE THIS

>>82822451
yes but not by legal means

>>82822577
24 hour version where?

>>82822588
yeah no shit.
anyone buying this PR is burying their heads

For free?
Yes
Actually buying it?
Pffft no

>>82822451
maybe, if someone pays for my ticket or I'm an asshole and decide to pirate it or borrow a bootleg from a friend, then again that still sounds like too much effort to see a movie that I'm not really anticipating to watch

>>82822451
I think we have all suffered enough, and I am not a masochist

>>82822655
july 19th

I'll find it online. If I really liked it, I'll go buy it.

>>82822451
Hope it has commentary by Snyder. Terrio, Affleck, and Cavill.

>>82822591
That might be true but it explains only about 1/4 of the film's huge flaws

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>>82823353
>Hope it has commentary by Snyder. Terrio, Affleck, and Cavill.

God, I can imagine Snyder in his usual mouth-breathing idiocy trying to defend his intent for 3 hours while Affleck and Cavill offer awkward anecdotes.

BvS's problem was not that it was too short

>>82823449
The only problem was that it didn't pander to idiots.

>>82823591
I felt like it did
I felt like it was feeding to retards that just wanted Bats and Sups to hate on each other and beat each other up

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>>82823591
>The only problem was that it didn't pander to idiots.

Which is shame, because BvS's script is stupid as fuck.

Equating superheroes to religious figures doesn't mean anything if the film completely forgoes any real characterization.

>>82823591
The problem is that it pandered only to idiots.

>>82822451
Of course, interested to see the full project.
Hope it somewhat improves the film much like the uncut improved Watchmen.

>>82823591
Exactly. Like when Sam pushed the Allspark into Doomsday's heart. Some people just don't understand allegory.

>>82823591
I hate to play the "you were too dumb for this movie" card, but after watching Civil War this weekend, I've noticed the big difference between it and BvS that is probably causing such a dissonance with audiences:

All throughout Civil War, the emotional messages were extremely heavy-handed. Tons of scenes subsisted on characters having a conversation about their feelings regarding the Sokovia Accords, even when it was just retreading the same conversation that another character had earlier. It sets a strong emotional tone, and makes sure the audience is invested and knows how to feel and why. Of course, the unrelated issue here is that the Accords are stupid as fuck, and nobody ever questions exactly how they are supposed to help the Avengers avoid more casualties, and also the fact that they completely ignore the damage caused by Iron Man vs. Hulk and that Tony was responsible for Ultron, which are really the bigger issues here that prove the Avengers DO need higher management.

Batman v Superman doesn't ever really stop to have the characters blatantly talk about how they feel or what is conflicting them. Instead it shows it. It expects the audience to be invested enough to realize why characters are doing what they're doing. It builds characterization through events, not through dialogue.

Obviously individual mileage varies as to how effective this is. The Civil War way of doing it is far more accessible and agreeable to the average audience, but the downside of this is that the movie becomes incredibly bloated and slow-moving for the sake of making sure everybody is on board. It also makes it very boring during future viewings, since dialogue making a point that the audience already knows is essentially useless.

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>>82824011
>Batman v Superman doesn't ever really stop to have the characters blatantly talk about how they feel or what is conflicting them. Instead it shows it.
>It expects the audience to be invested enough to realize why characters are doing what they're doing. It builds characterization through events, not through dialogue.

Very little of this is true.

A neutral interpretation of BvS is that Batman is envious of Superman's ability to kill more people than him.

Superman seems to literally interpret his job as flying in, saving people, then flying away and being flummoxed that people don't universally love him.

The Superman identity is retconned as being "A farmer's dream" despite nothing in Man of Steel showing Joanthan Kent wanted Clark to become a Superman.

BvS isn't always internally consistent and Superman is barely given anything to do.

>>82824268
>The Superman identity is retconned as being "A farmer's dream" despite nothing in Man of Steel showing Joanthan Kent wanted Clark to become a Superman

He was talking about himself I guess

I'm hype for it

I'll probably just watch some of the scenes on youtube.

I have no desire to sit through that whole movie ever again, especially when it's a 3 hour+ version.

>>82824011
People often complained about Superman not having much dialogue, but his scenes say a lot without him having to speak a single word. That's one of the things I liked about this movie.

>>82822451
Of course. I'm even willing to pay for it.

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Yes, Snyder's Watchmen DC was superior to the theatrical in my opinion, so maybe this will improve BvS somehow at least pacing wise. Though I'm not holding my breath.

>>82824317
Yeah, that's what I thought as well

If it's at the library or in a torrent.

>>82824268
>A neutral interpretation of BvS is that Batman is envious of Superman's ability to kill more people than him.

How is that neutral in any way? Bruce loves his employees very much and is angry that they died senlessly. How does this translate to Bruce being jealous that he doesn't have the power to kill the entire human race?

>Superman seems to literally interpret his job as flying in, saving people, then flying away and being flummoxed that people don't universally love him.

Superman is glad that people are happy and that he's bringing hope to them, but was that they treat him like a god. He is troubled because he is unsure how to remove the latter while still keeping the former. Even saying "I'm not a god, I'm just a guy!" would have mixed results because people would just say he's being humble.

>The Superman identity is retconned as being "A farmer's dream" despite nothing in Man of Steel showing Joanthan Kent wanted Clark to become a Superman.

I don't know what this is referring to. I always thought that it was Jor-El's dream of Kal being the savior of mankind or whatever.

>BvS isn't always internally consistent and Superman is barely given anything to do.

I don't see the inconsistency, and Superman does a lot despite not having very many lines.

>>82824011
For someone who is arguing against the intelligence of Civil War, you sure don't give it much analysis.

I mean, they NAME DROP SOKOVIA. It's apparently to big a leap to make to Ultron for you, I guess.

I'm sorry to be blunt like that, but that's how it is.

But does it address collateral damage? Perhaps, it's not explicit said (something you state to be a fan of), but they do talk about the parameters regarding deployment in some depth (IE: Respecting Sovereign Borders) as well as having official actions taken for said destruction and loss of life.

It's talked about in the Cap/Tony scene right after the chase if I recall correctly.

So I don't find your argument all that strong. In fact, I find it shallow.

Visual storytelling is nice, but you admit that the audience didn't get very invested in it.

Which is admitting to a Deadly Sin beyond all others for the sake of appearing more 'artistic'.

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>>82824458
>People often complained about Superman not having much dialogue, but his scenes say a lot without him having to speak a single word. That's one of the things I liked about this movie.

>>82824458
Which is a read that requires prior investment in the character to really work,. It's not wrong, just flawed.

And the reason why it failed as a film. It works on prior attachment and builds none of its own.

>>82824268
>A neutral interpretation of BvS is that Batman is envious of Superman's ability to kill more people than him.
>hyperbole for the sake of argument
Terrible.
>Superman seems to literally interpret his job as flying in, saving people, then flying away and being flummoxed that people don't universally love him.
Superman doesn't know what his job is. He's taking on a responsibility that no other person has ever had the power to do before. His entire conflict for the length of the film is that despite wanting to save humanity, he is both vilified and admired in ways that he dislikes. He's realizing that what he wants to do isn't simple for the world to take at face value.
>The Superman identity is retconned as being "A farmer's dream" despite nothing in Man of Steel showing Joanthan Kent wanted Clark to become a Superman.
This ties in with how I said people want a movie to blatantly explain shit to them. On the flipside of that coin is the fact that not all dialogue should be taken literally. You've gone and latched on to a line that Superman says in a moment of self-doubt and disillusionment and you consider it a "retcon" for some retarded reason. Pa Kent went on and on about how Superman would change the world, not as guidance, but instead as a warning. He wanted Clark to believe he was sent there for a reason. That was the dream of a Superman, and for that moment, Clark had so much trepidation about what he was doing that he was considering giving it up.

>>82822451
I'd have to hear very, VERY good thing to ever consider sitting through that shit again

The movie already felt too long

>>82824637
>How does this translate to Bruce being jealous that he doesn't have the power to kill the entire human race?

Because as Batman he regularly dispenses lethal justice against enemies he has decided are irredeemable monsters. Imagine you've never heard of Batman or Superman prior to watching the movie, and Batman's weird warped envy becomes more clear.

>Superman is glad that people are happy and that he's bringing hope to them, but was that they treat him like a god. He is troubled because he is unsure how to remove the latter while still keeping the former. Even saying "I'm not a god, I'm just a guy!" would have mixed results because people would just say he's being humble.

You didn't address my point. If Superman hates being perceived as a god why does he linger in long looming shots in the sky as he peers down over people? Why doesn't he engage in a dialog with others? He allows for a negative space in his public image that people project into, which is exactly what he enables by not talking more.

Why doesn't Superman pursue charities like boiling water clean with his heat vision, deliving silos of grain, or dig canals, waterways, or roads for developing nations? Superman could save billions of dollars and help billions of people with productive, constructive, and charitable acts.

>I don't know what this is referring to. I always thought that it was Jor-El's dream of Kal being the savior of mankind or whatever.

It's either before or after the Ghost Dad hallucination. Superman laments his earth dad's vision for him, even if none of that was actually previous established.

>>82824649
>>82824719
No, you guys don't get it. Superman didn't have to say "look at how much of a great guy I am" he just showed it. He immediately dropped his investigation of Bruce to save the girl on the news. He stopped fighting Doomsday because he heard a person in need, not to mention that scene with all the news articles about the stuff he's done.

>>82824985
Yeah but his problems could have been fixed by talking.

An example that really irked me was after the bombing. I realized that Superman couldn't have done anything about the bomb because he didn't detect it; that isn't what I find weird.

It's the fact that he just flies away, almost intentionally for it to look like he blew it up.

>>82824985
I wasn't arguing that point. I was arguing that the film does nothing to make the audience care about the character of Clark Kent. He may do nice things, but the look on his face is negative and overly contemplative.

Which basically blocks any attempt to form attachments to him from an audience perspective.

A smile does a LOT. Altruism does a lot.

But Altruism is literally an alien concept to the director.

And that's the key problem.

>>82824821
>Why doesn't Superman pursue charities like boiling water clean with his heat vision, deliving silos of grain, or dig canals, waterways, or roads for developing nations? Superman could save billions of dollars and help billions of people with productive, constructive, and charitable acts.
Read Peace On Earth

>>82825086
>It's the fact that he just flies away, almost intentionally for it to look like he blew it up.

A Superman's job is never done. He must always fly away.

If he doesn't fly away without a thought to any lingering problems, can he even call himself Superman?

Later he can go look pensive and clenched on a mountain!

>Remember that shitty movie? Here's more of it.

No thanks.

>>82825102
>Read Peace On Earth

I have, I wish Zack Snyder had as well.

>>82824011
imo if it doesnt do a good job getting me connect with the characters, it shouldnt expect me to be invested in them. My problem with the movie is that i was never really compelled to care.

Yeah, I will buy it. I am withholding my judgement until I can finally see this.

>>82825171
Comment of the Thread.

>>82822588
Enjoying these movies seems to require a goldfish memory

It was already bloated with plot-points that could have been cut, so the idea of even more sounds like a fucking nightmare.

No cut of this movie can be good, the scenes in the film itself are bad enough that clearing up plot-holes won't fix the inherent problems with the film itself.

>>82824011
The problem with "Snyder didn't tell the audience, he just shows it" is that Snyder has everyone looking grim and depressed 90% of the tme. Expecting audience to tell one scowl/pout from the next is kind of silly. Oh, Clark is sad because the everyone in the senate died? Ten second ago he was sad he was even there in the first place. There's no goddamn range.

>>82824317
Clark isn't really established as "a farmer" himself. At least the association isn't similar. And even were that the case, being Superman wasn't his dream either, because Clark spends the vast majority of Man of Steel moping around the continental US looking for a purpose and being steered by plot points rather than his own agency.

Superman was Jor El's dream at best And Jor-El isn't a farmer.

>>82825161
>A Superman's job is never done. He must always fly away.
Here he flying away to do something other than mope on a mountaintop I might agree with you.

Cavill's just too wooden in this franchise. It's a tragic waste of a resource.

>>82824637
>Even saying "I'm not a god, I'm just a guy!" would have mixed results because people would just say he's being humble.
Yeah but do you at least see how the lack of an attempt on that front ALSO characterizes him? Ignoring whether or not you believe that characterization is positive or negative, do you recognize that the lack of a reaction informs on his character as much as getting one would?

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I'll just skip to this scene, do some mirin, then click the x button.

>>82824268
>>82824317
>>82824495
>>82825468

You guys are fucking dumb. Sorry, but you are. Jonathan in MoS had faith in Clark and thought that he'd change the future.

>he just wanted to drawn kids

Whatever.

>>82825090

Superman is altruist in the film. What's wrong with you people?

>>82825626
Jonathan didn't even have faith that Clark could save him without revealing the big secret.

Which turns out not to matter anyway since the exactly one person that shouldn't find out about said secret does so immediately and with no real explanation as to how he did it.

>>82825600
That sounds gay, brobro.

I mean has the dvdscr leaked yet?

>>82825676

>Jonathan didn't even have faith that Clark could save him without revealing the big secret.

Jonathan thought that Clark wasn't mature yet to handled the enormous pressure and responsibility, but he had faith in his son that in the future he would. That's why he sacrificed himself.

Goddamn, /co/. You guys are really obtuse when it comes to MoS. Extremely so.

>Will you watch it?
Maybe if the 182 minutes didn't include the parts that were shown in the theaters.

>>82825086
He flew away because he was angry with himself. He was mad at himself for not detecting the bomb, and when people are mad at themselves they want to be alone.

>>82825767

Forget it, dude. /co/ decided to hate the movie and they will hyperbole the shit out of it to bash the movie.

Just give up.

I'll watch it, but I don't plan to pay for it.

I bet the commentary tracks will be unintentionally hilarious though.

>>82825713
You are just seeing things that aren't in the movie and using your headcanon to justify the obvious flaws in storytelling

>>82825799
They decided to hate it because it was bad

>>82825807

Do you want me to post the Youtube videos?

>>82825837

It was different, not outright bad. Batman was different, Superman was different, Lex Luthor was different. This triggered people.

>>82825102
Dumbass.

>>82825872

>they were different

Yes, being bad is pretty different.

>>82825872
>It was different
Different in this case means bad

>>82825842
I want you to understand that the "show don't tell" approch only works if you actually show something, but I already know you are gonna disappoint me.

>>82825872
They were so different they could have been different characters

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>>82825713
>Jonathan thought that Clark wasn't mature yet to handled the enormous pressure and responsibility, but he had faith in his son that in the future he would. That's why he sacrificed himself.
>Goddamn, /co/. You guys are really obtuse when it comes to MoS. Extremely so.

You've projected that interpretation to fill in a storytelling gap.

>>82826015
>no one will ever repost the webm

>>82822451
Hell yeah, I will.

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>>82825880

>>82826015

Just watch the movie again.

>>82825928
>>82825944
>>82825990

They weren't so different, but different enough to trigger the autism of purists. For example they complain about Batman killing despite Batman doing so in almost every live action production. BvS even gives you a good context for said change something that previous movies always brushed aside.

And no, being different isn't bad.

>>82822451

Movie was shit, why would I spend more money on it?

>but it's the extended cut and snyder's true vision
Should have been released in cinemas then.

I can't believe people are still defending this turd. Snyder's filmography is mediocre-to-crap, but now he's a genius, apparently.

>>82826457
Everyone wants to think they're smarter and more erudite than everyone else, but they want everyone to KNOW they're smarter so they latch onto something well-known

>>82822451
Will i? No idea, i'd assume yes, but then again when i watched the third Hobbit movie in the cinema i was like
>Holy shit this is bad, can't wait to see the extended edition or a fan edit even, surely it will be better
And yet i never bothered since, the memory of the bad was too persistent

>>82826457
He had some good ideas but didn't manage to make a good movie out of them. His fanboys seem to think that the ideas alone justify the movie.

>>82822451
>will you watch it
Sure
>will you pay for it
No

>>82822451

It wasn't a bad movie, because it needed something MORE

>>82824268
>despite nothing in Man of Steel showing Joanthan Kent wanted Clark to become a Superman
>"You have to decide what kind of man you want to grow up to be, Clark, because whoever that man is--good or bad, he's going to change the world."

>>82822451
i liked the longer cut of Watchmen i think i will like this

>>82826295
>Just watch the movie again.

I have in fact repeatedly watched Man of Steel and found it to be a huge piece of shit every time.

There were three years of shitposting about MoS between its release and BvS and let me tell you, I have read every single fucking stupid defense of the film.

The one sole point I have ever conceded with MoS is that within Snyder's mind, MoS "successfully" fulfills the idea of a real, fallible Superman.

That's it. That's the one metric it gets to escape from.

>>82825807
You are an idiot. Everything he says about Jon Kent is in the movie, and CLEARLY so.

Man of Steel is the ultimate fucking litmus test to recognize which viewers are braindead fucking autists, and which viewers are able to actually engage with and understand what is happening on screen.

>>82825807
This is sad.

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I find it hard to believe that the extended run time will be able to improve the existing plot threads.

>American like weak, babby length 90 minute movies
>anything more and their feeble brains can't handle it
Why, bros?

>>82827207
>>"You have to decide what kind of man you want to grow up to be, Clark, because whoever that man is--good or bad, he's going to change the world."

"Superman was a farmer's dream" doesn't line up with that.

The dialog paints it like Jonathan advocated for the Superman identity, but every other thing he says to Clark is about favoring inaction.

Clark consequently lives as a hobo for a decade without any friends.

It's a morbid, morose take on Jonathan Kent and the Horses speech from BvS only further undermines the idea Jonathan wanted Clark to ever make active change in the world.

>>82827406
Civil War was the same length as BvS

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>>82827488
Just like my comic books.

>>82827493
I'm not talking about which was longer or DC v Marvel, I'm just asking why it is.
I've noticed my American friends spout stupid shit like "movies longer than 1:30 are boring" or "who can even sit down for that long lol".

>>82824821
>Because as Batman he regularly dispenses lethal justice against enemies he has decided are irredeemable monsters.
That's not true. Alfred said that he was getting more brutal lately.

>If Superman hates being perceived as a god why does he linger in long looming shots in the sky as he peers down over people? Why doesn't he engage in a dialog with others?

Like I said before, he enjoys inspiring hope in others. He doesn't dialogue because he has no idea how to say something which will stop people from thinking he's a god and still inspire others. Go ahead and try and I'll show you how an average citizen would misinterpret it.

>Why doesn't Superman pursue charities
He moves tectonic plates and stops viruses from killing all of humanity. Anything else would be seen as a "political act" in this universe.

>It's either before or after the Ghost Dad hallucination. Superman laments his earth dad's vision for him, even if none of that was actually previous established.

Oh you mean when he was talking to Lois. I think Pa Kent still wanted Clark to do good things in Man of Steel but was worried that the world wasn't ready for him. He thought Clark would be a good guy that will help others, but not to the extent that Jor El did. I personally think that Pa Kent was wrong about timing, but Clark really took it to heart.

>>82827488
>It's another 'sperg is unable to comprehend a films narrative, context and themes episode, showing his stupidity by wildly missing the mark in his so called "analysis" episode

Starting to get sick of these.

>>82827574
It's clearly not a thing, it's just something people say

>>82822451
Unless it's 182 minutes of an entirely different, not awful film, then no

>>82827318
>Man of Steel is the ultimate fucking litmus test to recognize which viewers are braindead fucking autists, and which viewers are able to actually engage with and understand what is happening on screen.

Or it's a bad movie over-scrutinized by nerds because it's an adaptation of Superman.

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I'll watch it because it looked amazing and I want to see it again, it was like watching something mythical, superman felt truly like an all powerful being from another world.

I agree it has its flaws, the plot was clumsily excuted and I didn't like any scene with Lois, still I can't help but enjoy everytime I see either superman or batman doing their thing.

>>82827609
>That's not true. Alfred said that he was getting more brutal lately.

Motherfucker tries to decapitate people with the Batmobile.

>>82827609
>Like I said before, he enjoys inspiring hope in others.

Nowhere established in the film.

>He doesn't dialogue because he has no idea how to say something which will stop people from thinking he's a god and still inspire others.

Having never tried, how can he know? Let's not pretend this is part of his character arc either, he dies killing Doomsday as a inflated act of sacrifice which only further propels him to Christ-like levels of martyrdom.

>Go ahead and try and I'll show you how an average citizen would misinterpret it.

It's not either yours or my place to do this, the writer, director, and storytellers have an obligation to convey this in the film.

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>>82827651
>Starting to get sick of these.

I have never been proven wrong in a single MoS thread of the thousands that have been made in the last few years.

The rest of the world stopped giving shit about MoS years ago, it is only /co/ that clings to the movie.

>>82827916
>/co/
That's a funny way to spell /tv/

>>82827488
>The dialog paints it like Jonathan advocated for the Superman identity, but every other thing he says to Clark is about favoring inaction.

he finds out what his father actually thought at the end of MoS, when Clark and his mother visit Pa Kents grave.

>He always believed you were meant for greater things, and that when the day came, your shoulders would be able to bear the weight

Its obvious Pa Kent didn't want to push him into anything and he knew the day would come, when the worlds finds out the true about Clark, yethe couldn't help but try to protect him from the world.

>>82822451
I absolutely loved the film but it was so cluttered a longer runtime will only imrove it if it doesn't introduce any new stuff.

>>82825713
>Jonathan thought that Clark wasn't mature yet to handled the enormous pressure and responsibility
Here's the question though. What does Clark do to gain that maturity to handle the pressure and responsiblity? He gets a 10 minute speech from Jor-El that says "Be Superman now".

He was 19 when Jonathan died and 33 when he puts on the tights, but he didn't actually do any maturing in that decade of difference, just wandering. We didn't see him come across any great self truth or realization, and he didn't even learn to cover his tracks better since hey, Lois found him by the trail he left.

So the whole "You'll be able to do it when you're older" thing is bullshit because it was never about age or maturity. It was about him needing to be free to fit the plot points. It was about him needing the same age as Christ for a hamfisted metaphor.

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Bruce! ¡Escúchame ahora!
Es Joker! Él es la clave!
Soy yo también mexicano? ¡MALDITA SEA! Soy demasiado mexicana!
Gordon tenía razón sobre él! Gordon siempre tenía razón sobre él!
violarlo!
violarlo!
Tienes que violarlo, Bruce!

>>82828682
Ezra is a Jew, not Hispanic

>>82828368

It wasn't about maturity, even before he put on the cape he was already saving people, it was about the right time, when the world is ready for superman and Lois actually did her re-search and it was the spaceship incident that brought her to the idea that there is an alien in this world to begin with, also as she described Clarks journey, he couldn't help but help others yet always be like an outsider.

>>82825667
Nothing.

You've never actually seen or done any volunteer work in your life, because clearly you have no idea what Altruism looks like.

Or Sounds like.

Because this film didn't understand the basic concept even as it went through the motions of altruistic acts.

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>>82827916

Only /tv/ cares about MoS and BvS and its only for the memes

>>82822708
Same

>>82822451
Well, why not? I actually like it, honestly.

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>>82822451

Only if they reshoot and replace Jena Malone scenes with Julia Batelaan as Barbara Gordon.

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>>82822451
Of course!

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>>82822451
I dunno, man. Probably, but BvS has left such a shit taste in my mouth so I'm not hyped or anything, not anymore at least. I'm just so worried for the DCCU that I literally went to church yesterday after, like, 3 years. Help us, God.

>>82822451
Probably, but not without a shitload of whiskey.

>>82830034
>I'm just so worried for the DCCU that I literally went to church yesterday after, like, 3 years
that's fucking gold hahahahah, I don't even care if you really did or not

>>82827527
Kek/10. May I save that?

I feel like Clark really liked being Superman, and really liked being labeled as a God.
I think his problem started when people started questioning him, everything from then on started to get very complicated for him. He doesn't know where to go anymore, there's so much crime and so much despair that he can't focus on everything at once.

Batman on the other hand looked like he was being extra cruel because he's seen some shit. Because of Leto-Joker he's on this dark path of torture and murder, blinded by grief. This only gets worse when he feels the hopelessness alfred was talking about when Supes showed up and proved that he was infact a god.

That's what I took from it anyway, really enjoyed it better than Civil War.

>>82823591
The problem is that it pandered to idiots who think they are smart.

>>82830276
That's what capeshit are for, anon. This genre is all about pretentious shit to satisfy it's audience's wet dream.

>>82830098
I'm serious, and fucking desperate, man. I defended Snyder for the longest time without actually looking up his interviews, but now I know better. He's the ultimate villain of DCCU. Fucking hell.

>>82822451

I didn't see it at the cinema what makes you think I will see it when it's out on blue ray?

>>82830276
Oh I can't wait to hear what you think are movies made for intelligent people

>>82830421
No intelligent people talks about ''smart'' or ''dumb'' movies.

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>>82823441
>Batman getting stuck in
>KICKING DOOMSDAY IN THE HEAD
This was an amazing idea so of course they scrapped it.

>>82830486
Good cop-out

>>82822451
Fuck no, one time in theatres was enough.

>>82830526
It's not a cop-out, there's no inteligent movies.
Maybe you have movies talking about certain themes, but that's.
No superhero movie has ever done that anyway.

>>82830501
ty

>>82825928
Wow, what a constructive, intelligent response.

Here's your (Thou)

>>82828682
I laughed, then I saw Speedy Gonzales' shitty costume and it made me sad again.

>>82822451
Probably, already watched the long nonsene in the theater, might as well watch a longer version that (possibly) makes more sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbuBFMmoE74

>>82822451
If it gets a theatrical release as a double feature with Man of Steel, then sure. I could use an entire day of nonsensical capeshit.

>>82822451
>>82822541
>>82824489
It's just additional violence, punching, fight scenes, sufficient to get it an R rating for 'gore/violence.'

>>82824767
>already felt too long
The theatrical movie was too long because it was over-stuffed and poorly-edited/paced. If they were releasing a 3 hour cut that wasn't merely an extended release but actually reflected re-done editing and cut material, etc. that helped with the pacing and took out some of the unnecessary fan-service (such as the Batman Injustice/Darkseid dream sequence) material, maybe, but since it's just going to be extra violence and extra punching, not on your life.


>>82822591
No, not really. My experience with Watchman was the BluRay extended and it was technically well-made but I found it uninteresting and dull. And that's without any actual experience reading the source graphic novel (and no desire to do so).

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>>82830852
Oh wow

>>82828368
>>82828776
Except that towards the end of his decade long journey, when he's in that trailer park diner, his response (notwithstanding he definitely was helping and saving people) was to dickishly respond to a bully by using his unique abilities to put his semi truck in a position that no normal situation could explain.

>>82826060
>>82830501
What exactly is the difference? Seriously?
The gif matches the webm in size, when you click on them to view, and in length? I would also assume the gif would be more shareable, but then I wasn't really aware of webms until I started exploring 4chan a few years back. I don't really see them on other sites, but you do see gifs all over the web.

>>82831075
>without any actual experience reading the source graphic novel (and no desire to do so).
In the words of my ancestors, do it faggot

>>82831403
It makes your autism more pure.

>>82823591
>The only problem was that it didn't pander to idiots.
That explains why US audiences and critics hated it.

>>82822541
>The biggest problem with the movie was the editing
That's fucking wrong.

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>>82822541
>>82832380
>>82831075
>/co/ will never stop discussing BvS
>cape movies they liked are quickly forgotten
Feels good, man.

>>82832197
Did people from other countries write favorable reviews?

>>82832422
My favorite critic a former Marvel writer did, so yes.

>>82832464
>My favorite critic a former Marvel writer did, so yes.

Grace Randolph compared BvS to Kubrick, highlighting that she's a tool.

>>82831403
>gif matches the webm in size
>gif 3.26 MB
>webm 655 KB

Will it fix Clark referring to his own mother (who he referred to as "mom" and "my mother" in the previous movie) by her first name out of nowhere just so Bruce can realize their mothers are both named Martha?

Because that remains the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard. Talking about his mom like the kid from The Ring ("Don't you understand, Rachel?") so Bruce can make a connection.

>YOUURRRRR KLLNGGHH MARTHA!

WHAT?!

>YOUR LLETTNG MARTHA DIIIEEE

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME? HRRGRHWHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!

>>82822451
Yes. Just to see how Snyder still didn't make a good movie

>>82828776
>Jonathan thought that Clark wasn't mature yet
>It wasn't about maturity.
Okay, ignoring the contradiction there, let's try again. What determines the "right time"? There's no indication as to when that is or even when it could be. If anything the events of BvS indicate that it's still not the right time.

>>82832417
Missing Ben Garrison's signature

>>82832980
What's better,
>WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?!?!!
or
>WHERE'S THE TRIGGUR??!>!>!11!

>>82832417
Because DCfags are a special fanbase.
I've never seen this kind of denial anywhere.
The damage control over MoS and BvS is something unlike anything i've ever seen.

>>82822541
Not really, it's the tone of the movie that is the problem, Snyder make the movie to be overly grim like MoS is acceptable but BvS is too over the top and this is a movie about fucking Superman.

>>82832980
Batman didn't know Superman's secret identity, so how would he know who was in trouble?

>my mother is in danger!
>Who cares about your alien mother?

And then Batman deals the finishing blow. Bad End. Congratulations.

>>82830852
I feel bad for Cavill and Affleck

>>82833217
>Batman didn't know Superman's secret identity, so how would he know who was in trouble?

Actually Batman calls him Clark at one point.

Seems like something they DVR'd in post.

>>82833294
Me too. Cavill can be genuinely charming when he's allowed to be, and Ben was just trying so hard.

>>82832980
He said her name so that the Batfaggot will know who he should help after Supe's ded and if he said "please save my mom" the faggot will clearly won't listen and just said fuck you to him, that's about it.

>>82822451
No.

>>82833016
>Jonathan thought that Clark wasn't mature yet

I didn't even say that, I said about the world being ready for superman and Pa Kent wasn't sure himself when the right time would be, this is a hard question and yeah its the point of BvS that the world would react like that and actually superman was doing fine but two autists couldn't even handle supermans existence and had to ruin his life/try to kill him.

>>82830521
Imagine Batman wiping out Nth metal knuckles and getting into a fist-fight with Doomsday while Supes blasts him with lasers and Wondie slices his limbs.

>>82828911
>Because this film didn't understand the basic concept even as it went through the motions of altruistic acts.
What do you expect when Snyder is an Objectivist?

>>82822588
kek

>>82833555

But that's just plain bad writing. Making your character speak in a stilted, unnatural way about their loved ones, particularly while they're about to die and know their loved ones are about to die as well, is dumb. Dumb as hell.

>>82833294
They honestly deserve better, and it's a damn shame that DC is doubling down on Snyder.

I'm really looking forward to this, but 182 mins still seems short. I was hoping for ~210 mins.

>>82833106
Your inability to understand why people don't like the same things as you is what is special anon.

>>82831075
>watched the blu-ray
>not the ultimate cut
kek

>>82827731
That sounds accurate.

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>>82822451
>watch MoS
>hated it, not even in a not muh sense, but just how poorly crafted EVERYTHING was
>in retrospect realize just how shit of a director Snyder really is
>didn't even bother watching BvS
>lol'd at the sheer denial about this movie even though it looked worse and worse with each new trailer
>not even going to bother with pirating
>can still love DC characters without having to shill for a shit movie franchise
Nope.

>>82840174
This isn't your blog.

>>82833217
So it was literally just a contrivance to move the plot along.

>>82837770
NO WHEN U ARE TELLING SOMEONE TO SAVE THAT PERSON AND THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR NAME YOU FUCKING IDIOT

>>82840194
>wahh why aren't you defending snydershit and pretending its deep cause he stole a biblical painting

>>82840433
If I was dying and trying to tell someone to save my mother, I'd probably say "Save my mother. This person has her. Save my mother please." Chances are most people would do that.

>>82840532
Nice projecting.

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>>82822451
>"ultimate" version comes out that's supposedly the "true" snyder vision
>it's still shit cause he's a hack
This will happen. What will be the Snyderfag defense then?

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>yfw it's 30 minutes sex scene between Clark and Lois

>>82840762
That it's actually great and we just don't get it! Kino!

>>82840433

Except he's giving no context for the name. None. He could've easily said "Please, save...my mother...save...Martha Kent," which would still be clunky but would be something a human being would actually say about their parent.

>>82839434
Not really considering Batfleck has pretty much total creative control over his own movie. Maybe even the larger DCCU

>>82825086
>It's the fact that he just flies away, almost intentionally for it to look like he blew it up.
I love MOS & like BVS but I will agree with this mistake.
I would have had him had a more horrified reaction while in the flames and then had him clap his hands blowing the fight out thru the entire buildings and then go and carry injured people not directly caught in the blast to the steps outside.

>>82824011
The characterization of Batman and Superman is so dry and basic in BvS that Wonder Woman stole the show in like 3 scenes, simply because Snyder didn't have enough time to ruin her character yet.

>>82825102
It would have been really great if they had incorporated that comic into the film to build some character, huh?

>>82833092
gotta go with TRIGGUR.
At least he was actually swinging when he said it, so the weird exasperation in his voice made sense.

>>82840433
Why on earth would you trust your killer to save a loved one?
I always thought that was the bigger issue.

>>82828368
>What does Clark do to gain that maturity to handle the pressure and responsiblity?

He talked to the priest, and decided to take his advice about having faith. That was his moment of clarity.

>>82846242
That's after he's already put the suit on, man. It's after the world already knows about aliens. The point is moot by then.

>How do we get people to like Superman?
>Batman's popular right now
>Batman = dark and brooding
>Turn Superman into Batman
>Then how will we contrast Superman and Batman's characters?
>Turn Batman into double Batman

>>82842853
>Batman so mad at BvS he forces himself into reality
Morrison was trying to tell us all along

>>82846868
>implying double Batman wouldn't be cool

My parents were shot right in front of me twice in a row, so I decided to train twice as hard and become twice as powerful.

>>82846868
>le Superman has never been portrayed as brooding and more self aware before

Fuck off already

>>82822451
Already preordered, senpai.

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>>82832716
She's still best girl, though.