>Watch PPZ for the first time. >Decide to watch a few

Budget and a Calarts degree, as the current meme goes.

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>>82685431

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dti-uVHrUA

Guilty of loving the opening and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ZFeViTl4g

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i know this isnt the PPZ shit but what episode was pic related featured in?

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>PPG was good, but became stale near it's final seasons
>PPZ was too cliche and tossed out everthing good about the original to be a generic magical girl show
>first reboot was okay, but portrayed both the girls and the professor as incompetent idiots, and had an artstyle reminiscient of 2006 era video games which needed shine and bloom on every single object
>second reboot is calarts garbage reliant on pop culture and issues that'll be outdated in a year, tacked on with animation that isn't even finished
>movie was amazing, but hated because it was "too dark"
>now everything has to be for the idiot children

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>>82685514
Painbow
>>82685431
>How can the people behind the new reboot be so incompetent.
Easy, they got people who specialize in hit or miss humor as executive producers, so the things that people find abysmal and cankerous were stuff that they figured kids would enjoy, which I wouldn't know if that worked or not, but it still creates a huge backlash towards the people with people who don't like that kind of humor, or think it doesn't fit with the girls.
Then there's the animation errors, which can only be blamed on whoever they outsourced their animation to, and whoever was in charge of making sure it came back fine. If I'm to trust the word of one of the people, they actually let out an episode, online, with an error that they supposedly already fixed. Sure, on airing, they aired the fix, but it says something about the quality control, or lack thereof, when something like that gets past them.
I don't even hate the reboot, and I think it's too easily become something that people will take a potshot at, but, yeah, the apparent incompetency is appalling.

>>82685431
I wonder if the US cast would be willing to dub PPZ for domestic release. At least to make the garbage ppg2016 staff see how to make a product that isn't the classic style still not look like dried out dogshit.

>>82685508
The OPs and EDs are GOAT tier.

Never let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>82685867
There's already a PPGZ dub.

It is absolute shit.

>>82685867
>>82685928
Tara would probably be too expensive for something like that anyway. I doubt they'd want to dump a lot of money into a PPZ dub.

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>>82685800
Wow. Mixed feelings about the PPG reboot.

The GOOD
>the girls have more fleshed out personalities >panda bears tripping out on mushrooms

The BAD
>almost none of the characters have their original voice actors
>little girls + twerking = bad lesson for kids
>shitty animation
>shitty art style

Ppgz is only good as fap fuel

>>82686109

>the girls have more fleshed out personalitie

Complete and utter bullshit. Don't take it personally.

nuPPG's are completely "written" while the originals had character brough about through their actions, the love involved in the creative process and the VA's. nuPPG's are completely artificial meme characters, meaning they are completely interchangable with any and all similar SJW characters of any other toon. They are just empty vessels with zero authentic personality.

>>82685431
Just finished watching Little Octi Lost, and compared to the other episodes ive seen this one was actually pretty decent. I know its not superpowered hijinks that involved saving townsville, but as a slice of life episode it worked pretty well.
I guess as long as you ignore the glaring animation errors and laziness it can still be considered a piece of crap as a whole. But a piece of crap with a few good episodes.

>>82686109
>almost none of the characters have their original voice actors

Yes they do. Almost every character except for the powerpuff girls themselves do.

>>82685431

I'm forgiving when it comes to the technical aspects of a show, but nuPPG's greatest sin is its lack of authenticity, a quality that's difficult to define, yet something most people can recognize instinctively. There's a shortage of conviction, passion, or rebellion to the nuPPG, and that's hard to forgive given what the original was.

I don't think the people who work on this are passionless, but they don't have to much to say with PPG. This is the wrong project for them to be on.

>>82685499
Meanwhile, at a more competent studio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic-pykq5DiI (video at 4:30)

What if we give Trigger a budget and tell them to make whoopass girls?

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>>82685514

>>82687237
They will make a new IP, remember, they were suppose to do Korra but they rejected it because they wanted to have their first TV show to be their own (they did name KLK's Mako after Korra's Mako as special thankls however).

They also did a bumper for a Toy Story short as well.

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>>82685514
>PPGs twerkin it
>panda jerkin it
what the shit

>>82687032
>Cartoon Network Japan
Are you just saying that 2005-era CN was better, and it was just the only compilation of those promos you could find, or are you under the impression these were done by a Japanese studio?

>>82687552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhHGIfu_T98 was done by a Japanese studio (TMS).

TMS also did this as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_pc73SzuRA

>>82685587
I'm amazed that with all the other edits, the English dub left that in.

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I was gonna say please tell me you didn't watch the dub.

>>82687471
This is normal now. You're just ___old.___

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>>82687471

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>>82687674
To be fair, pants ripping to show cutsey underwear underneath is a common cartoon gag. It's not often though that cute lewd little girls end up as the butt of the joke.

>>82688244
What episode?

>>82688244
>the butt of the joke.
Carlos, get the fuck out.
Heh heh...

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>>82687807
What exactly is up with artists adding Jack Spicer with the ppg? Especially any red heads.

>>82689219
Maybe he appears in that bleedman crossover thing

>>82687237
Depends on what kind of Trigger budget.
>motion tweens everywhere

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I miss the original series

>>82686226
There's a good example for this.

In the original show, the first Buttercup episode is about her crush on Ace and friendship with the Gangreen Gang. She doesn't say anything for the whole episode and gives Ace a really powerful look before beating the shit out of him for betraying her. Once she saves her sisters, she says "I'm sorry" and the episode ends.

In the new series, there's an episode that lifts the plot but replaces the Gangreens with rollerblading punks. Buttercup has to talk the whole time and tell the audience that her sisters are more important than friends.

>>82687674
What's the big deal? Cartoons show stuff like that all the time.

>>82689822
It usually isn't drawn as fanservice, anon.
PPGZ in general is kind of skeevy.

>>82689991
What a weird take on that character.

>>82687737
Are you telling me the continuation of Samurai Jack is going to suck?

>>82685514
>that frame where Bubbles' pigtail has no color

God damn it this was already offensive enough

>>82690389
What number? 18?

>>82691203
Yeah, it might actually be because of the video compression, so I take it back

I think we can all admit to being guilty of misreading things to complain about that aren't truly there or worthy of such vitriol when it comes to this show, regardless of how it actually is pretty shitty

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>>82685800
What does Painbow have to do with this thread?

obligatory-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8wOE7J8G1U

Jokes on you CN. Now, give us the shows we want.

>>82685514
>Ms Bellum is no longer relevant due to feminism
and we have this......

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>>82686109
>little girls + twerking = bad lesson for kids
I still want to be fair and say that they were under mind control, then, and were being puppeteered by some magic panda thing.
During the whole time Buttercup is pointing out how stupid it all is.

>>82693359
Theres a game?

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>>82694678
There is a PPGZ game, but those are fakes, based off of Super Robot Wars

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>>82693359

>>82685431
chalk it up to /co/ being /co/

>>82696320
Is this an actual game?

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I do wish that The Powerpuff and the Rowdyruff would be friends.

>>82687591
too bad these were NEVER dubbed!

>>82696602
no idea

>>82694678
No, but there's no real reason they couldn't be in Super Robot Wars. Super Robot Wars has all the robots. ALL OF THEM.

Except Magic Knights Rayearth because the Rayearth creator is a tard who doesn't get it.

>>82689798
The episode was written because E. G. Daily had some problem with her throat and couldn't voice a whole episode. Note how husky her single line at the end is.

This is not a complaint; rolling with circumstance and coming up with something good like that episode is tops. Hell, Daily's abnormally thick voice makes it sound like Buttercup is overcome with emotion.

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>>82696472

>>82685431
Cashing in on nostalgia takes practically no effort

>>82685508
I always loved that opening theme, quality of the actual anime regardless.

>>82685431
How lewd was the anime

>>82696602

nope, fananimation

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>>82693359
You should look at it like this.
> Two kids are twerking, something that's known by adults as a sexual intended dance. Another kid their age is saying don't do this. The other kids just ignore her, making kids (the audience) think twerking is fun and should not listen to others (their age) saying no.
> Now, said two kids are still twerking, and now a respected adult (Ms. Sarah Bellum, for example) tells the two girls that doing this is wrong for not just kids to do, but makes females look bad. They listen to the adult, and stop twerking. Value lesson learned (for both the show and the kid audience, and adults agree with the message.)
That's the problem here. It's not just why 5 year olds twerk that's setting people off, it's the execution (like a lot of things about nuPPG does wrong) that's the bigger issue here. If it went like this, then people wouldn't be as mad.

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>>82702512
And to add, Ms Bellom really would have worked greatly here, since, everyone in the show (for some reason Buttercup doesn't) goes on this drug influence by looking at a rainbow or something, thanks to the whole "Ms Bellom's face" bit can be an excuse for her not to get effected, and there, she can make a meaningful guidance for the girls, just like in the original show.

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>>82702512
But the way you want me to look at it is ignoring the fact that they're being, like I said, puppeteered.

>>82685431
>How can the people behind the new reboot be so incompetent.

Affirmative Action hires.

>>82685514
So what is the context of this anyway?

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>>82689420
>All characters start sliding around with no animation
>Stock explosions

Fund it

>>82689303
No, the Jackbots do though

>>82703644
A rainbow appears over Townsville and everyone (except the girls) gets high and trippy as fuck, and forget about boundaries and shit.

The girls go the cloud responsible to sort this out and it's just one huge party with a weird as fuck Panda that is practially a rapist/molester for not listening when people say no, and goes as far as to mind control them.

It's like a shitty version of the Futurama episode where the floating brains stole everyone's smarts.

The girls twerking is just when they're mind controlled, the episode already frames it as bad with Buttercup being repulsed by it, but it still doesn't make it okay.

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I have yet to watch the reboot or the anime and it'll probably stay that way. I have the series boxset and movie and I still watch an episode or two occasionally, it holds up and that's all I need.

>>82688642
I love this asshole's version of Princess. Is there a IRL version of this hair? It makes me diamonds.

>>82696472
How hip

>>82696320

There any other animations for the other characters?

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>>82711938
Nope, that's all they've done.

>>82687435
I'm sure now they would be okay with doing an existing IP.

Especially if they're given a somewhat bigger budget than usual.

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>drawn by a storyboard revisionist on the new show

>>82685867
But PPGZ did look like dried out dogshit. Just of the japanese variety.

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>Another Z thread.

I don't care what anyone says, this show was adorable. I wish we could get cute like this in modern cartoons.

>>82712602
I saw the storyboards comparisons for the sleepover episode with the bull on tumblr and they were great. The final product was not. So there's competent people working behind the scenes, but that's not what makes it to the final production for some reason? Can someone fill me in on how/why this happens?

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>>82712615
Z was animated well. The problem wasn't the animation or the art direction.

>>82712978
>Z was animated well.

No it wasn't

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>>82713010
Yes, it was. Compare it to other Toei shows.

If you compare it to the pilot episode, of course the animation isn't great.

>>82712973
Outsourcing.
If what Craig said holds true, even today, then
>animation & camera
is all done by Korean animators, and
>All writing, recording, storyboarding, timing, design, music & SFX are done in the States.

>>82713314
If the Korean studios are getting paid to do it, they don't follow the storyboards that closely? I was seeing a lot of actual character in those storyboards (the bull especially). I didn't save them unfortunately, so if someone else happens to have them on hand could post it.

Or they're not supposed to stay close to the storyboards but translate the storyboards into the art style that was guidelined beforehand?

>>82713314
Meanwhile, in Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhHGIfu_T98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_pc73SzuRA

>>82687032

Wait was that a gainax animated bumper?

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>>82687435

All we got was the opening to that dinosaur cartoon

Man if trigger actually made that a real cartoon

>>82713049
Yes and its no better animated that Sailor Moon Crystal. The animation has less movement that even the new PPG show

>>82713762
No that bumper was animated by TMS (Telecom).

Directed by Toshihiko Masuda.
>>82713836
They also were suppose to do Korra before Pierrot ended up with it but they rejected it because they wanted to have their first TV show to be their own (they did name KLK's Mako after Korra's Mako as special thanks however).

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>>82714223
>Yes and its no better animated that Sailor Moon Crystal.
You are completely blind, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this.

Also Crystal was one of Toei's worst shows ever made animation and art-wise. You can't compare Z to the worst thing Toei has made, ever.

Crystal was Toei's version of nuPPG: a shameless cash grab made by C-listers in North Korea.

>>82714449
Please show me the good animation from PPGz that doesn't include the transformation sequences.

>>82714491
>Please show me random clips that you can't possibly have on-hand in webm form.

The fight in 30
The pool episode
The robot episode

>in b4 "I didn't watch it, fuck off :^)" tier response

>>82714449
Toei uses The Philippines for it's outsourcing, they rarely touch "SOUTH" Korea and No Japanese studio uses North Korean SEK.

>>82685508
If you ask me the second theme is better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbuEUTG3Vuw

>>82714595
Sorry, I should have phrased it as
>nuPPG is a shameless cash grab made by C-Listers in North Korea.

>>82714584
Literally all the episodes are on YouTube it's very easy to copy and past the link and give the time for the episodes in question

>>82714716
Then you can go watch them and realize how silly you sound.
"ALL OF THIS SHOW IS BAD" is a retarded position for retards who just want to fling shit.

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>>82714835
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iopMyNr-PmY

Yeah no. The show isn't well animated. It's the same panning little to movement as most bottom of the barrel anime. You can swear up and down this crap is well animated but it shows how little you know about animation.

>>82714641
I have no idea if SMIP uses SEK but I do know that Rough Draft uses SEK on The Simpsons hence why it's so bland in it's later years.

>>82714901
Meanwhile at TMS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-ji8Oo5q3o

>>82714901
>I'll just cherry pick this one thing out and claim the entire show is like that, not even the episode he listed

Yeah, no. It has some low spots, but what show doesn't? Overall, the animation is pretty good.
You can swear up and down that the show is shit on semantics, but it really shows how little you know about animation.

Go be a pedantic faggot elsewhere.

>>82714973
>Picking an episode is cherry picking

Are you retarded? Here's another WHOLE episode https://youtube.com/watch?v=dGzL3mQrA_U don't get upset because you're wrong and can't show anything to the contrary

>>82714901
>Yeah no. The show isn't well animated.

Looks okay to me.
>same panning bottom-of-the-barrel
Seems like you just hate anime.

>>82715075
>I'll pick ANOTHER episode and continue to ignore counterexamples.

Great. Don't get mad because you're wrong and can't show anything to the contrary.

>>82715087
Not really there are many anime with good animation See: One Punch Man which had a staff that actually cared about the show's quality.

>>82715112
When did you?

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>>82714223
Fuck off now.
Show me one fucking error as bad as Dragon Ball Super, SMC, or nuPPG from PPGZ right now. I've seen all 52 eps of Z and NOTHING is shit tier like that.
Fucking stop this shit, hate the anime all you want, but stop fucking lying to make it worse.

>>82715075
>Picking an episode is cherry picking

He's not wrong. Anime can vary wildly between episode to episode because of the way they handle art directors. One episode can look brilliant while another is paper cutouts sliding around.

Anime work is done in shifts. You can't pick a whole episode and say 'The whole show is shit' because you have to look at the art directors.

>>82715160
He provided several, you promptly ignored them and just picked a bunch of low-quality rips from youtube.

>>82715137
The only good animator on that show was Hiroyuki Aoyama and they payed him extra like a guess star making the show's budget a bit bigger.

>>82715202
Yeah, this is why /co/ shouldn't comment on anime. It's clear most of you don't understand how anime works. Or at least this guy: >>82714223

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I'm pretty sure this entire exchange has been done before in a thread much like this.

>>82715228
This is what Aoyama did.
http://kisscartoon.me/Cartoon/Tiny-Toon-Adventures/Season-01-Episode-035-A-Ditch-in-Time?id=26532

>>82715202
> and they payed him extra like a guess star making the show's budget a bit bigger.

[citation needed]

>>82715160
>>82714584

no go on, post more reaction gifs, I wanna see them.

>>82715234
It was done before ten years ago when the show aired. It only looks bad if you look at the worst parts of it.
It will never look good if you can't separate that Z isn't a good PPG season. It's just it's own thing.

>>82715075
Get your moeshit liking ass out. I bet your going to go "muh Pokemon XYZ" for an example, you might as well compare apples to oranges. PPGZ isn't god tier, animation but stop making something that's not idolshit the precedence of your shit standards. As far as current Toei for one, it's far better at the starting gatre than laughtastic DBS.

>>82715199
He didn't. Even then you can still SEE the animation and how much PPGZ lacks compared to the original. At least in the original people in the background actually moved.

>>82715274
Why are you projecting?

>>82715271
No, I mean, I'm pretty sure someone kept trying to stir up this argument just a week ago.

>>82715274
wew nigga you gone off the deep end

>>82715274
Can you give an example of a fight in PPGZ that's better than the fights in DBS?

>>82715306
>He didn't. Even then you can still SEE the animation and how much PPGZ lacks compared to the original.

>I'm going to compare this 49 episode anime to a series of ten minute shorts with a wildly different artstyle
>Wow! the animation is different!

Are you fucking stupid?
At least this cements that you don't have a single clue how animation works.

>>82715365
not him, but it was already given to you

Episode 30
The robot episode
The pool episode
Fuck most episodes in PPGZ. Do you even watch Super? Or Z for that matter? You're clearly blind and/or braindead.

>>82715266
Hiroyuki Aoyama came from TMS and almost does nothing but features (Hosoda's films) and larger budgeted TV shows (Dennou Coil, Space Dandy) after he left TMS, their staff is known for being "VERY" expensive.

He is a photographer as where he gets most of his work.
http://aoyamahiroyuki.com/

>Japan makes better cartoons than the west.

What else is new?

>>82715342
wouldn't be surprised. Just look at all the samefagging that has started when someone called him out on his shit.

>>82715369
>Ten Minute shorts

Are YOU retarded? Most of PPGZ is in the same "ten minute shorts" format as the original. Please stop taking about a show you never watched before you make yourself look any more retarded.

>>82715425
It's not that it's better: It's not.

It's that the animation in Z is good. It's cute, it's fun, it's everything you can ask for in an interpretation.

It's still not PPG.

>>82715403
Nigga give actual links. You can't say "the pool episode" and actually have people automatically know you dipshit.

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do you like nuppg yet /co/?

or are you busy acting like /v/?

>>82715454
>Most of PPGZ is in the same "ten minute shorts" format as the original.
>I'm going to compare this cartoon to this anime some more, and maybe he'll not realize how stupid that sounds!

I guess you ARE retarded.

>>82715403
I'd really like to see a webm of these good fights from PPGZ. I've watched almost all of it and it seems like you're talking out of your ass.

>>82715479
>I didn't watch Z

Case closed, you're just shitposting.
That's the reason I didn't give you the episode number, numnuts. I knew you were just shitposting about something you knew nothing about, never even watched, but decided to call it shit anyway.

Typical shithead.

No, please, continue to call this show shit. I'm sure you've definitely watched it and were only pretending to be stupid.

We all agree that original PPG trumps both the anime and the reboot at least, right?

>>82715504
You do realize this whole thread is on the basis of "PPGZ is better than the new PPG" or is illiteracy and lack ofread comprehension your forte?

>>82715535
Yeah no fuck off cunt you didn't give an episode because you're just shitposting yourself and didn't actually want to back up his points with solid evidence.

>>82715588
I got a episode for you.
http://kisscartoon.me/Cartoon/The-Ren-Stimpy-Show/Season-02-Episode-07-Stimpy-s-First-Fart?id=17795

>>82715541
No PPGZ is better

>>82715541
Agreed. But not for the reasons you think.

PPG is a great story on its own right. Z is way cuter and looks more visually appealing, nuPPG is some kind of bizarre abomination which will haunt us in our later years.

>>82715552
> "PPGZ is better than the new PPG"
Please point out, anywhere in this thread, where someone said PPGZ is "better" than PPG.

Right, you said it. no one else did. I guess you are retarded.

I think the thing that set off your feefees is the insinuation that PPGZ looked good.

Posts more ppgz Buttercup. She is the cutest of y girls

>>82715620
The fucking OP you dipshit

>>82715588
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mfSRYiVxkA

There's the robot episode.

I didn't give you the name, title, or number because I wanted to watch you flounder around a bit about how this show you knew jack shit about was garbage. At the very least, you'll admit that you were trolling or shitposting about something you've never watched before and go do something else with your time.

>in b4 "bu buh dat looks like shit too :^("

>>82715641
>Decide to watch a few episodes of the PPG reboot
>reboot
>reboot
>reboot
>reboot

I guess all those years of shitposting has significantly impaired your ability to read. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your life, and/or sue your school for producing such a failure.

>>82715620
>PPG is a great story on its own right. Z is way cuter and looks more visually appealing

>People actually think a soulless moeshit cash in of ppg looks better than the original

Kys

>>82715704
>I've been fucking destroyed in this thread multiple times, so I'll post 'kys' instead as an argument.

wew lad.

>>82715669
A link that actually works?

>>82715702
Please don't jump in on an argument that's not yours. I was referring to the new show.

>>82715740
Nigga this is my first fucking post ITT

>>82715745
Ah, FUCK

kissanime.to/Anime/Demashitaa-Powerpuff-Girls-Z/Episode-050?id=30851

Hold on, let's try this then.

>>82715669
Not him but wouldn't using only one "good animation" episode be cherry picking yourself?

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>>82715629

>>82715771
>Please don't jump in on an argument that's not yours. I was referring to the new show.
And you're blatantly wrong if
for even a SECOND
You say that nuPPG looks better than Z. Or is a better show than Z.

>>82715830
I gave several. Pool episode, Episode 30, The mid-season episode, the episode with the rowdyruff boys.

The show has some low-points because that's the nature of a 53-episode show from Toei. People comparing it to Crystal and Super are braindead retards.

Braindead retards shitposting about three separate shows they've never watched. They should all fuck off.

>>82685431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ISXlrUPcA

I'll never get tired of Kaoru's transformation. Every time she does, it's like she's inviting to be fucked.

>>82715541
Yes. Nobody ever talks about PPGZ past the cute girls and the cute things they do. The show is just bland and boring version of PreCurwz

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Why and how is she so perfect?

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>>82715947
Which is fine, all things considered. Self-aware precure is all it needed to be.

Being its own thing was the best way they could have handled the show.

>>82715838
There's nothing good about either. PPGZ is a cash in for the Jap market while PPG 2.0 Redux Electric Boogaloo is a cash in for the nostalgia market. Both shows have good and bad episodes but none of them come close to the amount of heart put into the original.

>Shitposter leaves
>Thread improves significantly

Post more pictures, I like this artstyle.

>>82715870
Yeah no, Dragon Ball Super is way more engaging.

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>>82715365
Took a while with this converter, but here's one for now.
>>82715509
Btw, I for one wasn't defending PPGZ "fight scenes" as they are admitting on the low side of things. But you can't say it's shit compared to nuPPG that DOESN'T even fucking have any. As the 'Merican continuation of the original, nuPPG is far more in the wrong for not having them compared to PPGZ.
I would have liked more of this in Z though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voxy9WLXcyM

>>82716060
>There's nothing good about either

That's your own opinion at this point, proven objectively false by the episodes posted and the animation and artstyle shown.

It's a cute show with a good artstyle, nice animation, cute story, and the show treats them like superheroes.

Part of why it's dumb to compare it to the original is because it's not the original. It was never trying to be the original. It's this thing off to the side that's adorable.

>>82716131
>Yeah no, Dragon Ball Super is way more engaging.
Now you're just shitposting. I'm sorry you lost the animation argument, but you don't even have a point to this angle. I have to ask you to stop.

>>82715805
Watched the whole part. Nothing really changes the point because no more than two characters are moving at the same time. Most characters do the same actions at the same time to cut down on the overall amount of movement. Facial expressions are mostly painted on while little movement is actually changed in the way the character's head reacts to their face. There are multiple shots that are JUST the mouths moving while the screen pans. Not even moeshitters in /a/ would claim that's good.

>>82716184
Literally laughing out loud right now, I hope this is a ruse because if so its great. That's about 2 levels below precure animation-wise. Th

>>82716248
>>82715669
>>82716256

>in b4 "bu buh dat looks like shit too :^("

What do you know? I called it!

I guess losing this internet argument has driven you to the point of calling anything shit while shitposting about Super for some reason.

>>82716300
I'm not even the other guy, but that is terribly animated. Half of it is talking heads, and the rest is super-simplistic. On the off-chance that you're not just pretending to be retarded, you clearly don't know what good animation looks like.

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>>82716256

Looks fine. I'm going to guess that you're just desperate at this point.

>That's about 2 levels below precure animation-wise.

Wow, you must be some kind of ultra-shitter.

>>82716365
>I'm not that guy, I swear! Everything looks bad! You don't know what you're talking about!
Get shit on.

>>82716189
Except PPGZ is agreed upon to be a weak show. Nobody rates this past a 5

>>82716189
>Now you're just shitposting

Sorry my opinion triggers you but you need to get over it. Also I never said anything about animation

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>>82716424
Wow stop shitposting faggot

>>82716184
What's so good about that webm? The weight went mojo it's the ground is good but for most of that he's literally sliding across the screen like the time Bubbles through the villain in the new PPG

>>82716431
>Except PPGZ is agreed upon to be a weak show.

And this changes the argument, how?
No where did I say it didn't have problems.It's problem wasn't the animation or the art-style. It's problem was the story.

>>82716438
>Sorry my opinion triggers you
>I'll just spam memes at you because I can't form an argument to counter yours

DBS is an inferior show in a bunch of ways. Sorry that you've been triggered.

>>82716522
Name 5 ways that PPGZ is better than DBS without using "cute"

>>82716471
>Wow stop shitposting

Posting screencaps from your phone isn't an argument.

>>82716558
Neither is trying to say someone is samefagging without proof you idiot.

>>82716550

>It's a self-contained thing instead of being a continuation
>It was fresh when it aired instead of watching that horse get beat to death with a stick
>No shonen power creep
>No nostalgia cashbux
>It ended instead of having the guarantee of staying around until long after I'm dead.

But again, sorry that you've been triggered by my opinion

>>82716657
>>It's a self-contained thing instead of being a continuation
Ok
>>It was fresh when it aired instead of watching that horse get beat to death with a stick
Nope it was riding off of PPG's popularity in Japan
>>No shonen power creep
Ok but it's also not an action show
>>No nostalgia cashbux
Because the show just ended and they wanted to cash in asap
>>It ended instead of having the guarantee of staying around until long after I'm dead
DBS has a planned number of episodes too so I don't know how this claim can even count

>>82716586
Where did I say anyone was samefagging? They just don't have an argument at this point, all of their points have been destroyed so they just keep stirring shit up.

Let it go.

>>82716746
>>I'm not that guy, I swear! Everything looks bad!

From your passive agressive strawman quote

>>82716256
I just said; I for one wasn't defending PPGZ "fight scenes" because at most they aren't doing something as intense as the original. But it's not something that ruins this show. It could have been far worst, nuPPG. I think this show's animation is as far as good as Pokemon Classic anime (Gens 1-3). This is a 2005-06 show, and I think for a kids show as such shouldn't be put on such high standards from shows of either today or anything outside of Toei. DBZ at it's core still had "telegraphed" animations, even though they were still great.
I'm not going to even be hostle about this anymore, if you really don't like this show, that's fine. But it's decent, and I'm fine with that. If McCracken didn't mind it, you should be as much yourself, just saying.

>>82716300
Why do you get so upset that someone's actually trying to explain why they don't like something? /co/ isn't your fucking hugbox you pussy. Fuck off.

>>82716730
>Nope it was riding off of PPG's popularity in Japan
Except it's not PPG, it's clearly it's own thing.

>Ok but it's also not an action show
Actually, it is. It's action/shoujo. Just like Precure.

Genres: Action, Comedy, Magic, School, Sci-Fi, Shoujo, Slice of Life

>Because the show just ended and they wanted to cash in asap
How is that the same as Nostalgia?

>DBS has a planned number of episodes too so I don't know how this claim can even count
>A Dragon Ball series has a planned number of episodes too, and it will be totally self-contained and end eventually!

I would post a reaction image, but I don't have one to convey the amount of fuck contained in that statement.

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Actually giving this what must be my fourth chance, I wonder why I kept brushing it off.
It's pretty funny.

>>82716836
>Why do you get so upset that someone's actually trying to explain why they don't like something?
Because they're trying to push it as objective fact, you dumb retard. /co/ isn't your hugbox, pussy, if you can't defend your argument then you need to fuck off.
If you make some retarded statement like "Z is as poorly animated as crystal!" And you are proven to be objectively stupid, then people get to call you a retard for saying something so stupid.

Fuck off before you jump into an argument that you haven't been following.

>>82716861
Because the story takes a dip in the 8-15 range when they're still trying to figure out what to do with the show.
It really banks on you knowing about magical girl shows.

>>82716857
>Except it's not PPG, it's clearly it's own thing.

Yes it's a different show but it wa shade to cash in on PPG's success in Japan as a way to circumvent Japanese television rules.

>Actually, it is. It's action/shoujo. Just like Precure.
So then why would you bring up shounen related tropes when comparing them

>How is that the same as Nostalgia?
What's the difference between cashing in on something because it's currently popular and chasing in on something because it was popular? None except one is done at a later date.


>A Dragon Ball series has a planned number of episodes too, and it will be totally self-contained and end eventually!

It's common knowledge DBS has been planned to be 8 cours

>>82716891
I never said anything about Crystal. You're getting upset over nothing and kept pulling the "I betch your gonna say this next!" card with green text like a fucking faggot

>>82716985
>Yes it's a different show t it wa shade to cash in on PPG's success in Japan as a way to circumvent Japanese television rules.

There we go, it's a different show. Not at all connected.

>So then why would you bring up shounen related tropes when comparing them
Why would I bring up action related tropes when comparing two action series? Think Mcfly, Think.

>What's the difference between cashing in on something because it's currently popular and chasing in on something because it was popular?
Because one is beating a horse that's little more than bones and leather at this point. The other is taking something fresh and popular and putting your own spin on it.

>It's common knowledge DBS has been planned to be 8 cours
Then what, more dragon ball. Dragon ball is going to be like Shin-chan. It will exist long after both you and I are dead.

Actually if your argument is that you like dragon ball more than Z, then why are we arguing? That's clearly a matter of opinion.

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>>82716926
I suppose that's a downer.

>>82717036
>I never said anything about Crystal.
Then, why did you jump into this argument? This argument started because of the "Anime looks like shit" faggots from earlier in the thread.

> You're getting upset over nothing and kept pulling the "I betch your gonna say this next!" card with green text like a fucking faggot
Then why did you end up saying it?

You're just pissy that your argument is extremely predictable, has been argued many times, and in the end is something that is easily disproven by just watching the show. The only recourse you have at this point is to lower the scope to your own personal tastes with "Well in MY OPINION it's garbage" and then refuse to answer any questions.

It's tired now, it was tired last week when we had this same argument, it was tired ten years ago when Z first aired. Just stop. You clearly can't objectively argue this, so why are we even arguing?

>>82717184
Well keep watching, don't let /co/'s (or at least, a couple of angry faggots in this thread) bitterness keep you from enjoying it.
It's a fun ride once you disconnect its association with PPG.

>>82717087

>There we go, it's a different show. Not at all connected.

Except it's the same exact principal for its conception. Even if it's not a continuation it's still doing the same thing. See: Any anime that's based off nostalgia value that's not a direct continuation


>Why would I bring up action related tropes when comparing two action series? Think Mcfly, Think.

except PPGZ and DBS are completely different styles of show. PPGZ has many episodes withough fights whole DBS is mostly fights

>Because one is beating a horse that's little more than bones and leather at this point. The other is taking something fresh and popular and putting your own spin on it.

Except it still rips things from PPG and other popular Magical Girl shows whosale. Nothing in PPGZ is new and it is a Frankenstein of PPG and stuff like Doremi and Precure


>Then what, more dragon ball. Dragon ball is going to be like Shin-chan. It will exist long after both you and I are dead.

You do realize that the show/manga ended almost two decades ago and most material that came afterwards is sparse UNTIL DBZ? I could literally make the same argument for more PPG stuff

>Actually if your argument is that you like dragon ball more than Z, then why are we arguing? That's clearly a matter of opinion.

That wasn't my argument. I'm saying on prinicpal it's the same thing.

>>82717319
>That wasn't my argument. I'm saying on prinicpal it's the same thing.

And I'm saying that makes no fucking sense. You even say yourself it's not the same thing:

>except PPGZ and DBS are completely different styles of show.

Holy shit, batman. How do you hold two completely conflicting arguments like this at the same time?! Is it some kind of new gadget?

>>82717191
Except simplifying someone's argument to the point where it's nothing like the argument is downright retarded and shows you lack the maturity to actually make a clear point when someone disagrees with you. If you don't want to make a real argument don't respond with irrelevant and inane greentext strawman replies

>>82717382
Can you not comprehend what I'm saying? PPGZ is the same as DBS in the sense that they're both cash ins. I'm not literally saying their the same kind of show on a written level you retard.

>>82717387
>Except simplifying someone's argument

How did I simplify their argument? Their argument isn't based on objective fact. It's based on their own personal tastes with the show. A huge far-cry from halfway through the thread when the show was objectively shit and as bad as Toei's worst shows.

Again, if they didn't want to be painted by my argument, maybe they shouldn't have used that as their argument. You want to know what's immature? Being unable to separate the factual from their opinion.
And then continuing to argue about it, even after they've had to back down their argument to the point where it's entirely subjective.

>>82717503
Actual animation quality isn't subjective though.

>>82717425
>Can you not comprehend what I'm saying?
I do, it's just what you're saying is completely incorrect.

>PPGZ is the same as DBS in the sense that they're both cash ins.
Like this. PPGZ is as much of a cash-in as any other anime ever made that was adapted from a manga. It ran it's course over a set period, had a starting point and an ending point, and it ended once the final episode aired.

Meanwhile, DBZ will probably out-live detective conan. How the fuck is that even remotely comparable?

PPGZ is a fucking adaptation, you idiot. I find it hard to believe you're not pretending at this point.

>>82717575
-And on that front, they were proven objectively wrong.

>>82716424
>>82716184
>>82715879
>>82715870
>>82715535

They were proven wrong because it's clear they, or you, have never watched the show. But instead insist on calling it shit from the sidelines because you hate it at a fundamental level. Nothing to do with its art or animation.

The art and animation are just fine. Z is a middling/mediocre show for completely different reasons than its art or animation.

Are you done yet?

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>>82717226
>once you disconnect its association with PPG.
But that's part of the fun.

>>82717588
How does that still nullify the point?

>Meanwhile, DBZ will probably out-live detective conan.

Same slippery slope shit. I can say they'll announce another cash in anime next year if the new PPG gets popular in Japan and the cycle continues.

>>82717641
Yeah no I never said I hated the show. Also a good number of those posts have responses that actually explain why they're wrong yet the points got completely ignored.

>>82717657
>How does that still nullify the point?

Because Z isn't a fucking cash-in from any objective viewpoint. It's an adaptation of an existing show. It has all the signs of being an adaptation, which ran its course and ended. Just like most of the anime airing this season or most seasons are adaptations of existing manga or LNs.

Those aren't 'cash-ins' either. Neither is PPGZ.

Also
>implying Super is going to be the last Dragon Ball
>Implying it's a slippery slope to say that there will be more Dragon Ball even after Super

I wonder what it's like being this gullible?

>>82687471
Those are his broads in Atlanta.

>>82717701
>Also a good number of those posts have responses that actually explain why they're wrong

Except, I've been here through this whole argument and they don't. They have sniveling and mewling about how "It looks bad to me!" and various backdowns which change the scope of the argument or move goalposts. None of them address the actual point, and if you follow those posts you'll see that.

>Yeah no I never said I hated the show.
Then go watch it instead of trying to cheerlead people who have already lost the argument and left the thread. Maybe then you'll educate yourself as to why they're completely incorrect.

>>82717720
>Because Z isn't a fucking cash-in from any objective viewpoint. It's an adaptation of an existing show. It has all the signs of being an adaptation, which ran its course and ended. Just like most of the anime airing this season or most seasons are adaptations of existing manga or LNs.

Even if a show is a cash in that doesn't mean it can't "run its course." The whole reason for this shows existence was because they couldn't get PPG to run on Japanese network tv so they had to make their own. This show is very clearly a cash in on PPG's popularity in Japan I don't know how you're so blind to the fact or are in denial. You can still like the show but that doesn't mean it wasn't made so they could use PPG's popularity

>>82717701
And those responses were promptly torn apart by other responses. Is this your first 4chan thread, son? You can't say that people responded to them and therefore it must have been countered without going and following the fucking conversation.

>>82717759
I've already watched the show a year after it first released. It's a normal anime with normal anime animation. Nothing about the animation is all that great aside from a few moments in a few episodes.

>>82717810
Not really >>82716248 was ignored completely

>>82717789
>Even if a show is a cash in that doesn't mean it can't "run its course." The whole reason for this shows existence was because they couldn't get PPG to run on Japanese network tv so they had to make their own. This show is very clearly a cash in on PPG's popularity in Japan I don't know how you're so blind to the fact or are in denial. You can still like the show but that doesn't mean it wasn't made so they could use PPG's popularity

Okay, stop. I found the problem
You think adapting something is the same as cashing-in.
Like, if it was an anime about anything popular, it must be a cash-in. Quality and workmanship aside.

Well, you're wrong. I'll just say that.

>>82717865
Except there's a response to that which promptly pointed out how it went from 'This show is shit' to 'well in MY OPINION it's shit'. That's not an argument, try again.

>>82717829
>I've already watched the show a year after it first released. It's a normal anime with normal anime animation. Nothing about the animation is all that great aside from a few moments in a few episodes.
Then, you're not part of this conversation because this started due to the same faggot brigade of /co/ which thinks all anime is shit and that it's animation was Crystal levels of bad. They were proven wrong, and then started to make up excuses as to why it's bad (for them, personally, they couldn't objectively tell anyone why it was bad).

>>82717701
>Yeah no I never said I hated the show. Also a good number of those posts have responses that actually explain why they're wrong yet the points got completely ignored.

Not very subtle samefagging or someone who wants to defend those points, but doesn't want to look stupid by associating themselves with someone who already quit the thread and left. Huh.

Just say that you think that other guy is a faggot and stop pussyfooting around. Trying to argue with him on points that were already discussed just makes you look bad.

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>implying lazy westerners would work this hard making PPG
Just compare the soundtrack CDs of the two for the difference in effort. The PPGZ staff actually care about what they're making.

>>82685431
Is ppz worth watching? Never really saw it.

I used to love ppg, I had the movie on vhs. I watched it recently online, it holds up very well. The animation is sharp, the story is great, and the soundtrack was much better than I'd expect of a straight to vhs movie. It's fantastic, one of the best animated movies I've seen.

After seeing that, which episodes of the reboot should i watch? I want to get fucked up.

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>>82718592
>Is ppz worth watching?
I mean, it seems fun enough, so far.

>>82718665
What other anime would you compare it to?

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>>82718810
I'm not much of an anime guy, but:
Sailor Moon, though I only ever watched the dub of that.
Maybe even Ojamajo Doremi, though I also only ever saw the dub of that.
OH, I'd definitely compare it to Kodocha. The humor seems to be a lot like that, if you know of it.

>>82719018
Of those i only know sailor moon, and just barely. I'll check it out, thanks stranger.

>>82718810
Diff anon, I guess Sailor Moon? I mean, Magical Girl Show and all.
Also, nuPPG...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZUqMFlPppk

>>82719056
Thanks other anon.

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>ONE MORE TIME WE'RE GONNA CELEBRATE

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>>82719056
I like the 90s grunge style opening and the drugged out party animals but they can't save the shitty new PPG voices or the awful animation style.

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>Fuzzy Lumpkins
Never made it this far, this is gold.

>>82719124
I will maintain some episodes work while others do not. This one worked a bit because it was a buttercup episode and she's my favorite.
yes im biased, bite me

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>>82719464
I wish someone would upload the rave music.

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>>82719464
You have taste in the right place anon.
But you shouldn't deprive yourself with a shit show.
But here's a pic of best girl for your troubles.

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>>82719839
Thanks for that anon. Will add to my collection.
>>82719499
i am also a fan of the edm

>>82716184

Why is ppgz bubbles so weak? she never went hardcore, is she a white guy or something?

>>82717425
>PPGZ is the same as DBS in the sense that they're both cash ins.
It's hilarious how edgy and cynical kids are these days. Everything is "cashing in," everything is "pandering," everything is "baiting." Except for the few things they personally like, those are always different.

>>82717917
No it didn't

>>82716001

Cutest girl and tomboy

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>>82705176
This anon gets it.

Me too man. I don't need anything but the original series and the movie (the comics are alright but nothing special either way). PPGZ and nuPPG? No thank you.

>>82685431
The reboot is trying to jump on the MLP bandwagon.

No, really, think about it. It's a show primarily targeted at young girls that is mostly Comedy SoL with some elements of adventure and action.

It's literally "We want the Brony audience", I thought that this would be clear to everyone with all the more mature pop-culture references designed to go over kids heads (like that one whole episode that was a reference to The Hangover). They are literally trying to hook the adult audience.

Only problem is their show is terrible, lazy and poorly written, also that particular bandwagon has already left the building and is no longer gaining steam so they can't latch their show onto it.

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>>82720687
Yeah because those shows were really creatively driven

>>82723422
>creatively driven
Meaning what?

>>82722761
I thought about this as well.

>reference to the Hangover
I stopped watching the reboot. What did they do in that?

I always loved PPGZ and never understood the abject hate it got.

Hell. I even prefer it over PPG personally

>>82723533
>creatively driven
Young person has an idea for a very good show, he gather his friends and does a short promo.
Spreads his idea around, that reaches a real studio and the idea gets executed, creator has a large share in the decision process of the show
>cash ins
bunch of people in a suit in their glass-walled office decide what to do with their interns so that they can rack in as much money as possible while spending as little as possible

>>82719370
PPGZ Fuzzy is legit better than the original

>>82724042
>Young person has an idea for a very good show
>bunch of people in a suit in their glass-walled office decide what to do with their interns
This is not how shows get made in Japan.

>>82724171
Oh, yeah i'm sorry.
>guy works 22.5 hours a day, sometimes he can drink lukewarm water and ramen
Can't say anything about CEO and business in japan as i can with american companies, i'm just not informed about them

>>82712973
Post storyboards?

>>82724346
not that anon but i have this.
Plus early on there was the complete storyboard of that "air buttercup promo"
One thing i noticed there was that bubble's octopus had a hat and everything like the original, while in the aired version they removed it or forgot to draw it

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>>82724346
>>82724435
FUCK

>>82724274
A typical scenario in Japan:

1. Someone makes a manga and a publisher picks it up.

2. Manga gets popular, publisher decides to commission an anime adaptation.

3. A production committee of various companies is formed. They fund the production, hire the studio and other people needed to make the anime, buy a timeslot for airing the show, and so on. The network the show is aired on may or may not be part of the committee.

4. The anime production team makes the show, and the committee and manga author most likely don't interfere in the process.

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>>82718347
Uh... So a flashy spread page proves that a foreign spin-off of a hit show has received more tailored, focused care into its production than the original show that was a smash success? Wut? Are you high?

The original series had two albums a well (maybe a third? My memory is a little fuzzy there). One was all of the music featured in the show proper, another were songs inspired/about the girls written and performed by some of McCracken's favourite bands.

Now, whether or not one prefers the stylings of whichever soundtracks from whichever show, that's up to personal taste AND is perfectly legitimate.

However, stating that "Westerners" would never put so much effort into their show, when, in fact, the original trumps Z in every single department minus how loli the heroes are, is flagrantly incorrect.

>>82724868
The original has piss poor production values compared to PPZ, which is just par for the course when comparing American and Japanese shows.

As for music, American TV has never put much effort into it, animation even less so. And it's not because of a lack of skilled composers.

>>82702630
Cute dancing.

>>82725383
This. PPG was frankly ugly back in the day. The charm of the story and characters helped

>>82724507
Half of the shows that come out every season aren't adaptations though.

>>82726526
I said it's a typical scenario, and most shows are adaptations.

>>82719124
fuck off

>>82724445
Fug

>>82690129
is it really? it really does seduce ya, doesn't it?

>>82702630
>that gif

I miss Kodomo no Jikan

>>82719056
why does buttercup have a guys voice?

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>>82728849
I'm reminded of how people somehow thought pic related from Medabots was a boy.

>>82729212
mmm, pepper cat

>>82724435
>>82712973
I guess there are people who really cared about the original show and are actually competent so they try their best to make it good but the ones in charge (the ones who made the bible and stuff) are shit so anything good made by the talented people is undone.

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>>82685508
http://picosong.com/BeJm/
a good version

>>82714624
This is actually cool, and I'm was never into PPGZ

>>82729580
The transformation themes are really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_YDachmBlQ

>>82685587
>>82688244
I want to sniff Blossom's strawberry underwear.

>>82719124
>Panda got fattier
>Blue smiling Grizzlies

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>>82689476
we all do anon

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>>82696472

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>>82696472
done with your shit CN

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>>82700796
>>82709326
>>82734376
I actually find it kind of cute.

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>>82696472

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>>82696472

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>>82696472

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>>82712810

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>>82696472
Only the dead can have peace from this

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>>82696472

>dating a show with terminology that'll be outdated by next year

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>>82696472

PPG Reboot producers

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>>82696472
Now I have to ask why so many people are replying to this so suddenly.

>>82734964
samefags?

>>82715541
Agreed

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>>82719839
>Buttercup

>trying to fap to PPGZ stuff
>so much disgusting on model PPG porn
Fuck you guys whet the fuck

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>>82735766
>tfw very few good PPGZ fap material

feels bad mane.

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>>82735766
Have you tried looking up "PPGZ" stuff, not "PPG" stuff?

>>82735930
I know but so much of it is mixed in together

>>82735979
This. The PPGZ material is MUCH better when it comes to this kind of stuff, too bad the PPG material is a majority of it all.

>>82736012
>MUCH better
well, they look like human instead of beach balls, for one.

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>>82735979
http://www23.atpages.jp/ppgz/pink.html
That has stuff, I guess/

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>>82724868
I'm going to be honest here, although I don't disagree with the last statement of " when, in fact, the original trumps Z in every single department", but fuck off there with "fact", that's your opinion you're projecting there, you're effectively comparing Z like Super Mario 3D World to Super Mario Bros 1.
Whether or not you may like or hate SMB1 and think SM3DW is the best game ever (just an example here), you're putting Z on a pedistle of the same standard of the original (SM3DW), when the original (SM3DW) has years of experience, time and effort, and trial and errors under it's belt that makes it beloved by many just from years of exposure you can feel from how far it's come (all the content in SM3DW).
While Z (SMB1) at the time was new, interesting, and to some, great experience to endure, although doesn't really have much after you've seen what came after (what PPG had over Z). That's the comparison you're making (and many others here), and the main reason everyone hates something from once it came. Comparing to what you've liked before makings you put down the qualities PPGZ has thanks to the original. Whether or not you think so, that's a problem, it's unfair in the grand scheme of things. I highly doubt every single person thought (PPG is the shit! Such a hit show!) when Whoopass Stew became a thing, right?

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>>82728849
Because apparently a tomboy isn't a girl that likes less girly things, it's actually a girl that wants to be a dude, dyke. (I should know, I was one to - said by SJW feminists).

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>>82716424
>that pic
>pic related

>>82688642
Princess is best girl

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>>82696472

>>82688244
>>82685587
built for anal

>>82696472
dude ayy fucc lmao, Bubbles is a meme master!

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>tfw this song wasn't part of any of PPGZ intro/endings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ZFeViTl4g