Can we all agree that the Trolls ruined Homestuck and turned

>>82522941
You are right.

But Homestuck was terrible and its over now, you need to stop making threads about it

>>82522980
no...

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Is Roxy Joey's mom?

>>82522941
No.

Karkat's irrelevant romance cuckold story and Vriska's self-insertion bullshit and Dancestors killed off Homestuck for good.

If you want to be a true oldfag, then you already know that the MC Intermission ruined Homestuck by having Hussie write a fucking backstory for Lord English.

>>82523580
Yes.

>>82523599
Dancestors and Trickster Mode

And fuck you the intermission is the pinnacle of the comic

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Oh god what the fuck

>>82523670
>>82523599
I don't think anyone with taste would argue that the Dancestors were trash, but they were basically confined to a single intermission. How did they kill Homestuck?

>>82523731
would argue that the Dancestors were not trash*

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here u go thread, its done
https://gyazo.com/5fdb279085935c6b03328c85e0506667

>>82524072
Good shit

>>82524072
yesss I love creampies
not IRL though

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>>82523704
wrong kind of wrestler

I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF HOMESTUCK THREADS THE COMIC IS OVER STOP TALKING ABOUT IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Are you guys gonna buy the Midnight Crew video game?

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>>82524143
How's this senpai

>>82524174
eventually yeah
still need to get a console that it's on

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>>82524180
bretty good

>>82522941
No. I liked the trolls and liked act 5

>>82524164
It got a discussion provoking ending "evangelion style"

You will probably see these for decades

>>82524164
You don't have to read every thread, you can take breaks sometimes.

>>82524164
You don't have to browse these tbqh.

>>82524072
>https://gyazo.com/5fdb279085935c6b03328c85e0506667
I tought the light symbol was Scrath's head in your doodle, kek.

>>82524325
/a/ is certainly still talking about evangelion
granted they've had the Rebuild movies but those come out only every few years

>>82524164
Hey at least we keep it to one thread

>expecting homestuck to be on the same level as evangelion in terms of lasting appeal and discussion

>>82524735
Exactly. It's not equal.
Homestuck is better.

>>82524735
I know I certainly can't leave these threads despite me hating the later parts of the comic.

I guess it's the Simpson's effect, where the beginning is just SO GOOD fans stick around for years after it went to shit, just to complain.

>>82524735
evangelion's "lasting appeal" mostly amounts to arguing whether or not asuka is a 8itch

>>82524800
and homestuck's "lasting appeal" mostly amounts to arguing whether or not vriska is a bitch and loving caliborn.

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>>82524800
Boy do I have news for you

If you think decades from now people who have never heard the series before, are going to sit down and read all of homestuck, you're clueless

>>82524823
>>82524833
yeah that was the association I was trying to make
but I was struggling to pull it off well

>>82524861
they won't need to
it's going to get a game, and a series... this franchise isn't going to go away
it has secondary fans, which makes it unstoppable
there are entire segments of the fanbase that have never read a word of homestuck

>>82524886
>it's going to get a game, and a series
I'll believe it when I see it

>>82524861
That's kind of a stupid thing to say. There has never been a point in history when web comics have been decades old. We have no idea if any of them will remain relevant. Homestuck isn't really special in that case.

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>>82524886
The franchise literally falls apart if it's not the main comic.

>>82525114
there have been webcomics since the 80's

>>82525146
>hussies friends who haven't read the fucking comic don't know how to write the characters in spinoff comics
WOOOOOOW

>>82524735
Don't compare NGE to Homosuck

Sure, NGE is over-rated

Sure, the ending is trippy and doesn't make much sense and was due to budget constraints

But the tone of NGE's ending fit the overall series

Homestuck ends like it's some corny shounen anime, after spending six acts showing that even the most irrelevant actions can have massive consequences

It's stupid and dumb. It's a -bad- ending

Not just "mediocre", BAD

>>82525172
Why do his """""friends""""" want to make comics for a series they didn't read?

Is there any way I can get a whole bunch of 'best of /hsg/' screencaps from over the years?

There were some really funny ones.

>>82525239
Cash Money
>>82525243
Someones working on a book
>>82525205
>Sure, the ending is trippy and doesn't make much sense
Theres that meme again

>>82525260
>can't handle criticism of his special snowflake anime so he calls it a meme

>>82525260
end of evangelion was hella trippy what the fuck are you talking about

and yes it is extremely difficult to understand for a casual viewer, evangelion throws so much technobabble and vaguely biblical lore at you that there's no way to know what's going on with out looking for explanations elsewhere

>it's an intentionally bad ending

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Thoughts on Tobias "The Bone Zone" Foxworthy?

>>82525243
here is my collection that was mostly ripped from the homosuck tumblr

https://mega.nz/#!j5pwCbqD!mFghGsbgxME_fTtA06esZ20T9oQej2gBUrbYpKbVQMU

>>82525306
>>82525314
Its instrumentality, the story tells us this repeatedly thats all there is to it.
Shinji's going through his shit, because he doesn't want to fuse during the series end, hence congrats when he finally rationalizes his way through things, he wakes up with mom/rei who gives him the option to live and feel the possibility of pain which he accepts.
Its was all pretty explicitly spelled out

>>82525239
Paradox Space pages were apparently paid $100 each.
I still don't understand why they didn't hire, you know, actual talented fans. Like they did for Hiveswap (for a certain measure of "talented").

>>82525470
I never watched Evangelion but wasn't there an entire Easter Egg where a voice actor ranted about all the questions left unanswered?

>>82525470
meanwhile the first time viewer is stuck on "wtf is this instrumentality thing they keep mentioning, I thought this was a show about robots"

the more you rewatch evangelion and its ending the clearer it becomes
the more you reread homestuck and rewatch act 7 the more confusing it gets

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What merchandise have you bought recently?

Homestucks ending is pretty clear, its just bad. We know that john mentions that they dont have to go fight LE right away as they can just retcon to him, we know what happens in the masterpiece, we know that vriska says the juju summons four warriors to finish LE off. Its all there its just off screen for some god forsaken reason.

>>82525632
nothing recently
I bought a lot in the heyday

>>82525570
>I still don't understand why they didn't hire, you know, actual talented fans.
That could have been fun. Fans submitting their own comics to the site, and getting paid if they got picked. It would have created a lot of fan buzz, and the stories probably would have been better.

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>>82525644
>we know that vriska says the juju summons four warriors to finish LE off
foreshadowing without confirmation is like piss in rain

>>82525570
>I never watched Evangelion but wasn't there an entire Easter Egg where a voice actor ranted about all the questions left unanswered?

It was a american dub only thing. And it disregarded End of Evangelion, the movie, that came after the tv series.

The TV ending is pretty much a bunch of metaphors and philosophy being used to solve a character arc. But nothing else, which made it so controversial

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>>82525470
>Its was all pretty explicitly spelled out

>>82525571
You mean 12 year old Adult swim viewers then yeah they might be confused about the lack of robots, but anyone actually paying attention to the story, its all pretty clearly laid out

>>82522941

Not ALL trolls. You didn't need to have all 12 of them.

Aradia/Sollux could've been one character. Tavros, Nepeta, Equius (even though it pains me to say so), Eridan, and Feferi could've been cut completely.

That leaves us with Aradiux/Solladia, Karkat, Gamzee, Kanaya, Terezi, Vriska. That gives them both a Time and Space player, and can advance the plot just as easily as the 12 did. Also, Vriska dies and doesn't get resed, and Gamzee fucks off to deal with the Cherubs.

There, Homestuck is less convoluted now.

And the best part, Karezi still remains a thing. Post more Karezi.

>>82524174

What is this weaboo garbage?

>>82525686
I always thought it would have been cool if Paradox Space had some sort of bounty system, where fans could vote on characters or events that they wanted to hear more about, and artists/writers would get paid extra for filling those bounties.

>>82525606
It's not confusing if you just accept that Hussie doesn't care. There is absolutely nothing else underlying what you see in the comic. He doesn't have a Dave ship planned, he just knew different people wanted two different things so he dumped the ingredients on their table to build their own meal if they feel like it. He doesn't care about what the white house is or which ends of it connect where in the story, or what it does. He's dumped out some blank puzzle pieces so the interested parties will invariably "figure out" (ie fabricate without his help) their own answers, a pattern he has observed in his readerbase and depended on endlessly in both PS and Homestuck. It doesn't matter to him which conclusions they draw.

>>82525718
The main stuff really was. The unexplained implied shit are things like motivations of some characters, mechanics of stuff like instrumentallity and metaphors, parallels etc. within it

But the basics of his character arc was pretty well explained

>>82525393

He should take pity on his old master and help him build Homestuck: The Game, running on Undertale's engine.

>>82525773
persona 5

>>82525786
And yet PS wrapped everything up completely
RTFC

>>82525803
You want Hiveswap to be made in Game Maker? Wew lad.

>>82525809

Isn't that the game about some suicidal Japanese children? How is that in any way Spades Slick related?

>>82525816
He cared about PS.

>>82525824

It would be better than what we have right now:

fucking nothing

Vriska ruined Homestuck. It's not even up for debate.

>>82525833
well it looks like you break into a mansion at night to perform grand larceny
that's sort of like spades slick

>>82525707
>foreshadowing without confirmation is like piss in rain
Get used to piss then because its a pretty common thing in many works of fiction
I wasnt saying it wasnt shit, it is, im just saying its there at least

>>82525890

...then by that logic, Ocean's Eleven is about the Felt? Dumbass.

>>82522941
I doubt you can get any sort of consensus, but you are objectively right. The trolls are what turned Homestuck into tumblr-pandering OC spam and prevented the kids from getting any character development. Hussie drowned his story under the weight of the literal dozens of characters he felt obliged to add and then forget about.

>>82525854
Don't worry, the one walkcycle they probably made in Photoshop is looking pretty good!

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hussie suicide when

>>82525934
Homestuck was already a factory template for OCs with the main kids' designs, I don't get why trolls made that any more true. Just having more examples?

>>82525913

Yes, and there's nothing more annoying than that. I hate it when authors do that.
>ohhh, use your IMAGINATIOOOOON

Fuck you you asscunt, if I wanted to use my imagination, I would just use it. Because I am capable of doing so. I'm consuming your work so that I can enjoy the product of somebody else's imagination. Not mine. Someone else's.

Fucking lazy pieces of shit.

>>82525980
Trolls allow for more special snowflakes.

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>>82525644
>>82525707
There's something I don't get. How were the juju kids able to have any effect on LE? Supposedly Dave dealt all the damage and finished him off with Caledflwch while the others played support.
But then if the cueball sword was enough to kill LE, what was the point of the black hole? Or if a black hole was all it took to kill LE, then what was the point of his cueball weakness?
Maybe the cueball weakened him enough to cancel his immortality (and the black hole dealt the killing blow), or his time powers (and the black hole trapped him forever)?
Act 7 needed, what, ten seconds of animation to clear this up. Instead we got a minute or so of Vriska marching towards a motionless and drooling LE, opening the chest, letting some magic out and then that was all.
I can't imagine Hussie storyboarding this shit and going "yes, yes, this is good". It was in like 2013, when he was writing the ending. Surely he hadn't given up yet, right?
R-Right?

>>82525824
They're already using Unity. A 3D engine for a 2D game.
Might as well go full amateur and use Game Maker. It'll speed up development, for all we know.

>>82526060
>Or if a black hole was all it took to kill LE, then what was the point of his cueball weakness?
*Meant to add "and the entire juju" too.

>>82526060

Wait, Unity? That crappy thing that some Flash game sites have for "3D" games?

Fuckin' a.

>>82525913
Well it doesn't work in Homestuck because the story is otherwise full of twists and plans never go right, so for all we know LE won.

>>82526060
>How were the juju kids able to have any effect on LE?

Meenah, Aradia, and Tavros were already doing okay against LE. They certainly couldn't beaten him, but they were holding their own fairly well.

When Davepeta came in, he was able to keep up with LE all by himself, at least for a little while.

Then add Vriska, who's maybe strong enough to solo Bec Noir.

Then add the juju kids, all of whom are god tier, and possibly stronger than they were during Collide. AND Dave's got a legendary weapon that does crazy damage against LE. AND they had Jade, who is literally omnipotent.

LE wouldn't stand a chance.

>>82526360

What part of IMMORTALITY do you not understand?

I miss when LE's invincibility was due to surreptitiously inserting himself into various time loops that could not be broken, and not just generic magical armor

>>82526360
>They certainly couldn't beaten him, but they were holding their own fairly well.

this made no sense and was just absolute proof hussie stopped giving a fuck. english was shown to wipe out ENTIRE GROUPS OF GOD-TIER TROLLS WITH A SINGLE BLAST yet tavros can jump him? his blasts only hit a few mooks? he never once tries it against meenah?

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>>82526094
Yeah, according to this guy. But I don't know, this was in 2015 and that guy might not even still be in the team.
Maybe they've changed their engine, though considering how the game has been simplified into 2D, it's unlikely they'd be going for a more complex engine.

Also, there have been some decent games made in Unity, come on. It's not the engine, it's how you use it.
(I'm still worried they'll use it badly, granted...)

>>82526360
>AND Dave's got a legendary weapon that does crazy damage against LE
Literally the only part of your post that matters, though. Jade blowing up LE with a green explosion and Vriska doing fancy swordplay in her Marquise outfit would have little more effect on LE than Tavros tapdancing on his head.
He's IMMORTAL. INVULNERABLE. Cueballs and the Juju were stated to be his ONLY weakness. We're not talking -1HP attacks (or "scratch damage", heheh), we're talking -0HP complete invulnerability.
Patience and firepower are at best ways to distract or stun Lord English, NOT the key to his defeat. Otherwise all this bullshit about glitches and secret weapons would never have been brought up.

>>82526451
when was it ever that

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Isn't it kind of scummy that the entire deal with the kickstarter was that no one knew shit about it outside of 'HEY KIDS HOMESTUCK GAME!', and now we know Hussie isn't even fucking writing it?

Rewatching Collide and I think Casey was only there because someone rememberred Andrew he would make her important.

>>82526375
Dave's sword removes the immortality plus green sun was destroyed so no teleporting. Still would be a bullshit fight when Vriska literally made the whole setup.

>>82526562
since ALREADY HERE

>>82526586
Absolutely
thank god I learned my lesson with other kikstarters beforehand
>>82526587
>Dave's sword removes the immortality
Do you have a single fact to back that up

>>82522941
I've said it before, but [S] Flip followed by the Doc Scratch intermission was what really killed Homestuck.

Hey, I talked to a guy who talked to WP, they're still using Unity, even after the 2D switch

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>>82526375
Lil' Cal is dead. Big Cal doesn't have a phylactery/whorecrutch anymore.

>>82526676
Cool and I talked to a guy who talked to a guy who talked to Hussie himself. Turns out Hiveswap will lead into Homestuck 2.0

>>82526728
In my case I'm not bullshitting, but whatever.

>In a reality [Lord English] is known to have marked for predation, he will go about assembling followers through various epochs, even going as far as personally establishing the parameters for his future summoning.
Man can you imagine Nu English doing this shit
The big downside to getting Caliborn's backstory in Act 6 is that Lord English became tied down to human and troll universes. It's difficult to imagine Caliborn interacting with any other race.
Like when did English go touring paradox space to do his "Cult of English" bit in so many universes for this to become a thing
Was it only just the troll universe where this happened?

>>82522980
Just ignore it like we did with My Life Me.

>>82526640
DAVE: how do we make it so it can damage him
JADE: it needs a special ingredient
JADE: something which represents his only known weakness, but hasnt been properly weaponized

Swords literally made of Caliborn's god tier clock plus it killed Union Jack, how you missed that.

>>82526775
Hussie seemed to have done the whole 'YOU CAN'T EVER STOP WHAT WE'VE TOGETHER' thing with English to answer this, but then he didn't do shit with it.

>>82526587
>Dave's sword removes the immortality
I'd like a source on that. If I recall correctly, all we know is that the sword is the only thing that can harm him.

Case in point:
>>82526791
>So IT can damage it
>So the SWORD can damage LE

>>82526716
Lil' Cal just holds LE's soul so it can pass into Scratch and let LE pop from his body. It's not a horcrux. LE does not become mortal if you destroy Cal, that's pure fanon.

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>>82526834
Well I guess it's my fanon against yours then, chumpstick.

so how is LE supposed to propagate again? like he's apparently gone through countless universes or whatever but are there multiple LE's? does he get sucked back into a lil cal? i dont get it

>>82526375
>>82526471
>>82526494
It doesn't matter how many characters made claims about LE being invulnerable. In Collide we SEE him fight, and we SEE him getting smacked around. Aradia can freeze him. He physically reacts to getting choked. When Davepeta attacks him, he physically reacts to the attacks.

Now, even if these attacks are doing 0 damage, they're still knocking him around. Add in Vriska and the juju kids and it would be a beatdown. Even if only Dave was actually doing damage, it wouldn't be a hard fight. And that's ignoring the fact that they could just alchemize a caledfwlch for everyone, god tiers can use any kind of weapon. Or make a thousand of them and have Jade rapid fire them at LE with her space powers or something.

>>82526471
All the villains were downgraded in Collide. Sure, action scenes are a bit more difficult to coordinate when most of your cast will die on a single hit, but it would have made them feel more legitimately dangerous and exciting, IMO.
Here it just felt like they were fighting... not even video game bosses. Video game bosses will kill you. No, it felt like they were fighting generic shonen anime villains, the kind that won't even scratch the main cast.
Maybe they wanted to give a majority of (what's left of) the cast its moments of glory. That, I can understand. But nerfing the antagonists whose power you built up over the course of the comic is a bullshit way to go about it.

>>82526876
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

>>82526025
Speaking of special snoflakes.
What classpects are you guys?
Rogue of void reporting in

>>82526834
I'm pretty sure it was stated that the cueball from Calliope's gun would also kill him, Hussie tried to use it but didn't have the ammunition

>>82526903
'countless universes' was flowery half-truth that was meant to describe the circuitous, no-beginning-no-end nature of the juju. Going around forever between both universes, being infused with Caliborn's essence and power along with the other souls, being banished into the void, materializing in Dave's dream room, etc.

>>82526834
>the sword is the only thing that can harm him
Anything alchemized with the cueball can harm him, the kids were just too dumb to only have daves sword with the property. Or they actually had cueball weapons, or they couldnt do it because shenanigans, who knows? Its all ofscreen bullshit.

>>82526975
Caliborn mentioned Dave's sword but none of the other weapons, so I'm guessing it was the only one with cueball properties.

>>82526971
Wasn't it confirmed that he had destroyed multiple universes? Or did he really not do anything but kill some ghosts?

>>82526255
>Ending has completely different tone in terms of explaining shit then the rest of the comic
>better just ignore everything leading up to this and declare that we dont know what happened as opposed to hussie just made a rushed shit ending
okay

We should have seen the final hit on Lord English, but only because it would have been an excuse to use that really satisfying sound of a break shot in pool.

Missed opportunity, for sure.

>>82526949
>>82526975
I meant that the sword is the only weapon that could kill him -of all weapons in the timeline-, not of all possible theoretical weapons.
Doesn't hurt to be precise, though, you're right.

Speaking of Caledflwch, it's weird that we saw Grimbark Jade alchemize it in the GO timeline, and then it was simpyl alluded to in the retcon timeline.
Maybe it's just me, but so many things give me the impression GO was meant to stay the alpha, and then the total party kill and retcon were thrown in at the last minute because Hussie is fickle like that.
We'll never know.

>>82526791
Removes Immortality =/= Able to damage

>>82526494
Where did the comic say he was invulnerable? I remember immortal, with exception of cueball stuff, but i was under the impression he could still be hurt. After seeing calliborn destroying the clock in act 7 i would have thought he could still die but would just always be revived

>>82527118
Caliborn says the clockwork majyyks make him invincible in the masterpiece. There's probably more references but that's the first one I can think of off hand.

>>82527027
>declare that we dont know what happened as opposed to hussie just made a rushed shit ending
But we don't know what happened, and the comic is all about closing time loops in a satisfying way; that's part of what makes it a rushed shit ending. We don't know when Caliborn's masterpiece takes place, how exactly LE is defeated (if he even is), what happens to the alpha kids after the masterpiece, what happens to the beta kids after Vriska uses the ultimate weapon...

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What was the fucking point of this character?

>>82527063
>Maybe it's just me, but so many things give me the impression GO was meant to stay the alpha
In universe GO was the alpha. The whole point of johns retcon powers is that he can make changes without dooming the timeline and paradox space cant do shit

>>82527155
plot device
All characters in Homestuck can be sorted into four categories: exposition, plot device, mouthpiece, and joke

>>82527012
I distinctly remember scratch alluding to that

>>82527182
let's sort them all

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The rewritten events of the narrative that John put in place with his retzaps was what was unleashed on Lord English through the house juju.

>>82527155
Main antagonist for the reader.

What was the deal with serenity and calliope?

>>82527182
What about fefetasprite?

Imagine fucking Aradia

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>>82527303
Sacred artifact: PURE CINNAMON ROLL

>>82527152
It was never directly shown, but we have enough pireces through other parts of the comic to put together what happened. I guess we technically can't know for sure, but i find it much easier to say this is what hussie intended but he had it off screen because hes bad at endings then it is to just ignore every other part of the comic

>>82527063
That act with grimbark jade was the most enjoyable to read of A6, I dont doubt everything after that was andrew fucking up.
>davekat and abuser bro played straight
>oil and password retcons
>characters dying full DBZ
>ultimate grist not relying on denizen quests
>davepeta having a worst buildup than vampire kanaya (5 pages of jasprose reviving nep and then prototyping by shaking hands, really?)
>all that bad dialogue and panneling
>act 7

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005736
Just look at this fucking page, any archival reader seeing the "> [???????]" knows Vriska dying will not happen further in the comic, its a boner killer.

>>82527155
1. """""Controversial""""" character bullshit ("I'm going to help! But I'll do it by being awful like I'm used to because I'm too perfect to change.")
2. Plot device (Finds the treasure in the first place, introduces retcon powers and the secret weapon)
And the only salvageable purpose:
3. Establish that Vriska -can- change, given an unknown number of years, some humbling events, the loss of her sense of purpose, and seeing her behavior reflected in someone else. (Not that the opportunity will come up anytime soon in the postgame universe.)

>>82527171
I mean from a meta point of view. As in, Hussie planned to resolve the mind control arc and keep the story going, but pulled out the TPK retcon shit at the last minute.

>>82527182
Where does Roxy fit in? I don't recall her bringing up or fighting for any important real-world social topics.

>>82527346
>Hussie is bad at endings
>What is Problem Sleuth

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>>82527155
Vriska needs to throw more tantrums.

Trolls were fine, it was act 6 that fucked everything over.

>>82527405
>>What is Problem Sleuth
the only thing hussie has ended successfully, that's what

>>82525980
Factory template OCs don't matter if they aren't canon. Trolls killed it.

>>82527405
>Where does Roxy fit in?
she's a plot device
Rogue of Void powers are deus ex machina

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>>82527303
As precious as Fefetasprite was, she's obviously in the joke category. The running joke being she never got any lines of dialogue as she's made up of Nepeta and Feferi, funny joke right?

>>82527405
Problem sleuth didnt really have a plot to resolve beyond "Some dudes go fight a guy"

>>82527383
>Just look at this fucking page, any archival reader seeing the "> [???????]" knows Vriska dying will not happen further in the comic, its a boner killer.
holy shit, i never even considered this, that's horrible, why couldn't hussie just use cookies or something once people reached terezi's retcon plan?

>>82527506
>that easy as fuck password on the MOM3NT panel that any archival reader can guess

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>>82522941
Trolls didn't ruin homestuck. The trolls were in homestuck more than they were not. They're an integral part of the story and without them the scope of the story would be much more narrow. Saying you dislike the trolls at this point is the same as saying you just hate homestuck, because the trolls ARE homestuck. I'm getting tire of people saying some of the most beloved characters are responsible for it's downfall.

Hiveswap was responsible for it's downfall, nothing else. The stress eventually broke Hussie's will to write and lead him to finish the story in the most sloppy way possible. Besides, the ending barely even featured the trolls. I'd say most of us are pissed because they weren't more a part of it.

>>82527303
joke

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>>82524800

>>82527204
John: Either mouthpiecer or plot device
Rose: Exposition
Dave: Mouthpiece
Jade: Plot device

>>82527063
>Maybe it's just me, but so many things give me the impression GO was meant to stay the alpha, and then the total party kill and retcon were thrown in at the last minute because Hussie is fickle like that.
You're not alone. There's so much evidence to suggest that the super-retcon wasn't conceived of until very late.

The big question is when Hussie would've decided on the retcon. I feel like it must have been before Hussie decided to make Aranea go rogue, because she was the one controlling the ghost army.

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>>82527577
>Saying you dislike the trolls at this point is the same as saying you just hate homestuck

Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. Trolls completely took the story over and changed it from something we liked to something we didn't like. That's literally what people are complaining about.

>>82527577
>homestuck/hiveswap broke hussie
>there won't be another MSPA
>we will never again experience the feeling of anticipation for an update that could drop at any time

>>82527383
>>82527506
Holy shit
This is fucking horrible

The whole comic is tainted by the terribleness of Act 6

>>82527657
Then why are you still here? Why didn't you jump ship back in 2010? This comic evidently hasn't been something you've liked for a very, very, long time.

>>82524782
You know, Doctor Who can have some bullshit ways to save the day sometimes (especially when shit gets resolved with the sonic screwdriver), but they pretty much never use time travel as a means of resolving the plot. Time travel is usually just the setup for the location of the episode, and occasionally for weird timey wimey stuff.

As someone who's seen every surviving episode of both the classic and new series, I can only think of one episode in which time travel was the means to resolving the plot, and that was The Christmas Carol, but that episode was structured entirely around that concept in order to do a time travel version of A Cristmas Carol, plus they even mentioned in that episode that what happens is an extremely rare occurrence that the Doctor normally wouldn't be able to accomplish.

>>82527718
I did, though. Now that it's over I'm able to come back and laugh at you because I was right all along.

>>82527570
>remember seeing multiple new readers guess the passwords
the retcon idea couldn't have been handled worse, people who say homestuck was written with archival readers in mind are kidding themselves

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>>82527577
>Saying you dislike the trolls at this point is the same as saying you just hate homestuck, because the trolls ARE homestuck. I'm getting tire of people saying some of the most beloved characters are responsible for it's downfall.

"i skipped the intermission for hivebent"

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somebody asked for this last night before the site shit on itself

>>82527846
The intermission was part of the trolls' story.

No trolls=no intermission

>>82527893
just because karkrap was in the last panel? you could have easily had a kid there, or better yet caliborn.

Why are Calliope and Caliborn the only Sburb players to be born normally instead of engineered?

>>82527688
>>82527383
i don't get it, how does the password stuff let people know vriska won't die?

>>82527914
You do know that slick was Jack from the trolls session and that the intermission took place on Alternia's green moon, right?

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>>82527861

>>82527916
because caliborn's session was unique in many ways and he didn't play anything resembling a normal sburb session

>>82527944
you do know hussie wrote the intermission before he did hivebent right? you do know that?

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Here's my take on what killed the comic.

At one point, Hussie started to value meta over quality.
The most striking example is... you know, the running jokes and "denied plot" that went on, over and over and over, until they stopped being funny, until them being overly long and forced became the joke in itself. Trolling the reader became more important than emotional payoff. (Surprise surprise: when there is no emotional payoff to something, people are pissed.)

Offenders include the kids never getting a group reunion on-screen, Vriska always avoiding any sort of consequences, cloun being mute and having unclear amounts of agency, Karkat/Tavros/Jake failing to accomplish anything of note or even lead a decent life, etc.

This is just ONE category of the meta shit that ruined Homestuck. Andrew Hussie thought literary subversion, commentary and jokes were more important than telling a good story, and the comic suffered for it.

>>82527944
Yes, that's what he was retconned into later, because of the addition of the trolls. Keenly observed.

You don't actually think Hussie had everything planned out from page 1, do you? He's publicly admitted he didn't.

>>82527965
Are you fucking serious? Obviously he had hivebent planned at the time he wrote the intermission. He was never that short sighted.

>>82527916
Because Caliborn is actually the main character and everything except for his sister is just a game construct designed to challenge him

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>>82527965
That had obviously been planned by that point though - Slick didn't recognize what a human was and the planet was obviously not Earth

>>82527965
the trolls were in the story as early as act 3 man

>Karkat was demoted into a Page
JUST

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>>82528097
KEK

>>82527985
The trolls predate the intermission. Maybe get more of you information from reading the comic, and less from skimming the tvtropes page?

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>>82522941
Why does almost all Homestuck fanart look exactly the same? Which is also to say, why does almost all Homestuck fanart look like shit?

>>82522941
Act 5 was one of the best parts of the comic, shitlordio. Act 6 wasn't even that bad in retrospect. It all really turned to shit during the retcon arc. Just... just fuck the retcon arc.

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>>82527955
Pretty good.

I wonder how far in advance Hussie planned the cherubs. Did he spend years eagerly awaiting the day when he could finally make his Cheerfulbear - PLAY ME parody talk to his self-insert?

>>82528129
Homestuck in general has godawful character design. Don't throw the fanart under the bus, a lot of very skilled artists have done stuff for it, but you're just aware of how god fucking awful the trolls look.

>>82527939
More passwords are scattered trought Act 5 and one on the moment a character is about to die obviously means a plot twist.

>>82527861
Cute!

>>82528097
Does that mean (Tavros) was promoted to Knight?
In the end he accomplished as much (as little) as Dave.

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>>82528129
maybe you just have bad taste

>>82528215
Aradia is once again best girl.

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>>82528215
have an ethnic aradia

>>82528215
Aradia is totally a grey Asami

>>82528129
It comes from tumblr.

>>82528319
Any where she actually looks asian? For some reason people tend to draw her as Mexican (which I don't mind)

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>>82528258
...ready to the take the legendary dicking she always deserved!

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>>82528404
only of damara
there's this meh one where she looks like a fat islander tho

>>82528404
This shit pisses me off. Literally every instance where Aradia is drawn with human racial features, she's made to look Mexican. Why? What's the correlation? Because rams? Because she has black messy hair? What on earth makes Aradia look Mexican?

>>82528215
You see, this one is good because you can actually tell what it is you're looking at.

In a lot of things kind of like OP's pic, you simply can't tell what you're looking at without actively paying attention to it. There are no outlines whatsoever, and it all bleeds through into this mushy garbage your brain has to manually sort out. Doesn't help that the trolls are just designed in a way to accentuate this effect.

I know someone's going to say that it's trying to parallel Steven Universe or something, but SU still has crisp, discernable linework on all of its designs. Homestuck fanart is just...eh.

>>82522941
>Can we all agree that the Trolls ruined Homestuck and turned this comic into a trash heap?
No, Lord English did.

Everything wrong with the comic revolves around the plot overcomplicating itself to accommodate some non-Sburb final villain.

Trolls worked as mentors from a previous Sburb session. Lord English ALMOST worked as some representation of the antithesis of what Sburb should produce... but Hussie instead decided to be meta, and have Lord English be just some guy who doesn't like Homestuck, and something something retcon something meta something something so self aware something something we don't have character arcs we're real people something something we beat the final villain by ending the comic, ha ha, so meta, so deep.

>>82528529
It's because her hair is wavy. Asian hair is straight.

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>>82528404

>>82528529
I think it has to do with her being cheerful about dead things before her death, and being the same way after going god-tier, when she spends a bunch of time hanging out with ghosts in the dream bubbles. The art of her as a mexican is most often of her in Catarina Calavera paint, evoking Dia de los Muertos themes, which is all about celebrating the deceased rather than mourning them.

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Hey guys, at least one good thing came from the flash. Vriska had huge, stonking, bouncy tits and it was great.

>>82528529
Because she's a dirty troll river nigger

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>>82528097
Does that mean (Vriska) was also demoted into a Page?

Man, Vriska knows how to turn and rape characters into woobies.

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>>82522941
Daily reminder that Lord English wins

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>>82528404

>>82528550
>we beat the final villain by ending the comic
I'm not sure how people are coming to this conclusion.

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aradia did nothing wrong

>>82528097
Did this actually happened somewhere or do you mean how he just became shitty and pathetic and Dave's bitch

>>82528913
aradia did nothing right

>complete silence from Hussie
He knows that the less he communicates with his fanbase, the more he loses people, right?

>>82528550
They don't beat him though.

He wins, then kills everyone.

>>82528842
people are desperate to find ways to interpret the ending that are less unsatisfying than it actually is

>>82528956
Aradia did nothing.

>>82528969
the comic is over. where's his obligation to care?

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>>82528999
she just did her job

>>82528999
except riding on DiiCK2

>>82528999
Aradia did.

>>82529002
>epilogue
>game
>whatever homestuck 2.0 is
If he wants to keep making bank off of Homestuck he should care

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>>82529028

>>82529052
he couldn't be assed to even write good ending to the comic proper.
how much do you think he cares about the little spin-offs?

Why do people blame Vriska? Kanaya ruined homestuck.

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>>82528999
She stole my heart.

>>82529103
what did kanaya do other than make rose a homosexual

>>82529103
Kanaya did nothing besides be gay.

Vriska was a shitty mary sue.

>>82524072
moar!

>>82529103
All Kanaya did was chainsaw Tavros's legs off, cut Eridan in half, kick Gamzee in the nuts, and get in a relationship with Rose.

>>82529089
He doesn't care which is dumb because this is how he makes a living

>>82529108
but she's not real

>>82529103
She only ruined Rose. Vriska ruined literally everyone and everything.

It's not the addition of the trolls that is the problem with Homestuck. It's that the four kids stop interacting. Their friendship stops being the focused (hell, it stops existing all together!)

I'd argue that the lynchpin in that relationship is going to be John's relationship with Rose, firstly, and Dave secondly.

And the reason why Rose's relationship with John goes from the most prominent to nonexistent in the comic is because of Kanaya.

Kanaya ruined homestuck.

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Reminder that Davekat was not only canon but also endgame.

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>>82529047
Aradia.

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>>82529331

>>82529296

Jesus, Karkat became terrible. I feel sorry for Karkat fans.

>>82528124
>there are unidentified characters in the chatlogs, therefore Hussie had the story 100% planned out before he even set tablet pen to e-paper

The kind of excellent logic I expect from a trollfag.

Vriska didn't ruin Homestuck. She was just the architect's instrument. You have to follow her strings and look behind the curtain. Little Lord Fauntleroy ruined Homestuck, and nobody else.

>>82529362
I still remember when most people here would call him their favorite troll

At least another funny capslock guy showed up to fill the void

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>tfw Terezi killing Vriska was the absolute perfect end to Vriska's character arc and could have been a great catalyst for Terezi to grow
>tfw Hussie undid it because 'lol Terezi felt bad' and cheapened both of their characters in the process

>>82522941
Trolls were fine. Act 6 ruined everything. Its just pandering, shitty, and overly complicated, and turned all the characters into the Dawson Creek cast

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>>82527182
You can separate most of the homestuck girls into Jade-like personality and Rose-like personality.
Jade-likes being obviously more bubbly and typically are plot movers and exposition givers. Rose's types typically being snarky, destructive, having more dialogue.

>>82529450
N-no remember as long as it happened to another version of you it's alright because ULTIMATE SELF and shit

>>82529521
And I want to fuck all of them.

>>82529450
it would have been fine if he stuck to his original plan and allowed GO Vriska to become the person that we saw in Act 7

>>82529521
Can you separate most of the Homestuck boys into John-like and Dave-like?

>>82529521
aren't they all just jade-like except (ironically) kanaya

>>82529576
maybe.
All homestuck boys are ineffectual losers, so I never felt the need to make more than one category

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>>82529616
john "beat-in the alien" egbert has had the most impact on the story than any other character

sure it was ARTIFICIAL importance, but importance nonetheless

At least we can all agree that Homestuck was awful and that it didn't start out as awful.

>>82529616
>All homestuck boys are ineffectual losers
you take that the fuck back.

>>82529450
Homestuck is a story about characters getting all of the things they want and none of the things they need. And that saddens me deeply.

>>82529521
Would... Would that make Jane a Rose-type? And Roxy a Jane-type?

>>82529660
Why would he beat up a cute little skeleton snake monster thing? John is a terrible person with anger issues.

>>82529675
No it started out trash too. John left his house and it was all downhill from there.

>>82529660
No one had any actual importance because everyone was bound to fate through time loops, even John. They were all Skaia's bitch.

the only exception MIGHT be Caliborn

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>>82529698
this happened shortly after

john is an abusive father

>>82529521
Jadelikes are hotter than Roselikes

>>82529729
While true, Rose herself is hotter than Jade herself, paradoxically.

>>82529521
I think it's more prevalent with the Jade-like characters than it is the Rose-like ones. Feferi, Nepeta and Aradia are strikingly similar to Jade with their own little quirks added into the mix; whereas characters like Terezi and Vriska, whilst similar to Rose, are a bit more unique with a greater range of independent expression and quirks.

>>82529691
Jane seems to fit Jade-like better, she's bubbly but forceful when she's in a positive scenario, but an absolute shitter when things turn negative. I suppose more similar to Jade when she was interacting with her Jadesprite self.

>>82529741
Maybe early on, but nowadays, nah. Jade is FAR more fuckable than Rose now.

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>>82529741
Pre Act-6 Rose maybe.

*appearifies paradox slime from Vriska and Jane*
*mixes it together to create a baby*
Gentlemen
I give you
The greatest cancer ever to metastasize in a universe
*sends it back in time 16 years*
Enjoy this treat I have prepared for you
She is already here

there are only two types of homestuck fans

the ones that like girls with short hair, and the ones that like girls with long hair

>>82529691
Hussie made a reverse coming-of-age story
instead of growing as people, the characters never change and most of them are stuck as kids forever due to god tier immortality. It's literally a story about not growing up
Except for Karkat, who will die within 50 years if not sooner, and Terezi who will live probably for a century or so

>>82529757
>>82529777
There is no other Rose. "Jade is the best kid because she wasn't ruined like the others" is the worst meme HST has come up with.

>>82529783

Wouldn't that just be Aranea?

>>82529757
Furfag detected.

>>82529820
Seven Araneas

>>82529793

Matriorb && Karkat's Brain || Heat lamp = Karkat

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>>82529792
Short hair best hair. Jade, Aradia and Feferi have really good long hair, though.

>>82529803
>there is no other rose
Nice meme.

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there are two types of homestuck girls

Megidos and MISC

>>82529839
Fifty-six vaginas?

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>>82529792
You're forgetting "the ones that like girls who are bald"

>>82529793
Holy shit, that's spot on.
I don't know about the god tiers, but the ghosts are going to be 13 forever for sure. The ghosts, aka the Game Over cast that ACTUALLY LEARNED STUFF AND GREW UP.
And then you have retcon Terezi who didn't just stagnate like everyone, but actively REGRESSED
We all thought English and Condy were thematically appropriate coming-of-age villains because they were very childish adults, but maybe they're villains because they're adults, period.

>>82529824
She really is more fuckable. Rose long ago stopped displaying the fuckable qualities she had. Now Jade on the other hand is a bubbly happy girl that would totally want to ride you bareback for hours on end and cuddle.

>>82529793
>Hussie played up Caliborn as a child who'd stunted his own growth by playing the game wrong with the implication that LE was basically an eternal temper tantrum from some immature brat
>at the time this seemed like the perfect kind of villain for a story about a game that forces kids to grow up
>Hussie forgot about that and Caliborn ended up being more mature and responsible than most of the main cast

>>82529684
no

>>82529900
Roxy Megido is my favorite girl

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>>82529900
Bitches and Whores

>>82529940
no kidding, he played the game RIGHT on the ultimate setting, and had vast endless incredible reward for it

>Feferi is the only female troll to die with her eyes visibly open.

thanks mspa wiki

what would i do without you

Dave I'm gonna eat your baby

>>82530007
>implying she wouldn't eat John's baby to be the only Rose

>>82530006
what about aranea

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>>82530007
which one

>>82530068
she finally did it
gratz

>>82530068
The one with the glasses needs to die, it's genetically inferior to the rest of the litter and will dilute its value.

>>82530096
Agreed, put Jade to death

>>82530096
>not the one with the dog ears
>wanting the future of the human race to be furries

>>82530113
All of them could be dog gene carriers though.

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>>82522941
I followed this shit all the way from the start to the end of ACT 5.

Should I bother finishing it? I just couldn't go on after Hussie decided to introduce new fucking characters after saying the comic was going to start working toward a conclusion.

>>82530096
like what fuckin baby is born with glasses?

>>82530006
you have that kink too

>>82530148
Who said they were born with glasses
They've got diapers and aren't covered in vaginal goop, it's clearly a few hours later after Jade had time to rest and hold them. They put glasses on the baby because it's cute.

>>82530148
John, Jade, Jane, and Jake

>>82530147
It really turns to shit in ways you can't fathom and the ending is the biggest disappointment the Internet has ever known, but it's worth reading. Two of the best characters in the comic are introduced in Act 6.

>>82530148
All the kids were born clothed and the Propsits had glasses.

>>82530176
But babies in Homestuck are born with both glasses and diapers

>>82530147
Don't. The beginning Act 6 is alright, the middle is good, and then it's just godawful.
Read Problem Sleuth if you haven't already and let the feeling of a satisfying ending make you forget about Homestuck's.

>>82530225
Babies that were ectobiologized maybe. There's only twoish characters we know for sure were born naturally and that's the cherubs

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>>82530225
We've never seen a natural born human baby, how would we know?

>>82530263
The idea of a kid being a synthesis of their parents in style, interests, and personality is possibly the most offensive and moronic character trope that I'm aware of. Do you know a single person in real life who is like this? Are you like this?

>>82530291
Vaguely yes. Not a perfect synthesis but certainly a good mix.

>>82530291
>assuming that just because jade and dave dress their kid up in fancy merged clothing that they share their interests

Maybe it's all they could alchemize hmm?

>>82530291
>The idea of a kid being a synthesis of their parents in style, interests, and personality
canon in homestuck, for literally every character with ancestors to speak of

>>82529450
>Death in Homestuck
>Mattering
Pick one

>>82530291
I'm a mix of my parents' mental dysfunctions

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i need to impregnate a troll
it is my fetish

who is the most fertile

>>82530338
No, the kids only take after the one ancestor who raised them, and the trolls are just the same 12 characters multiplied by 4.

>>82530068
OFFICIAL BREEDING TIER LIST

REPOPULATION TIER:
Jade

ISLAMIC FAMILY TIER:
Jane
Aradia
Feferi

WHOLESOME AMERICAN FAMILY TIER:
Roxy
Nepeta
Terezi

MISCARRIAGE TIER:
Rose
Vriska

BARREN AS THE VOID TIER:
Kanaya

>>82529940
>caliborn is supposed to be the villain
>only character who breaks the rules
>only character who refuses to be railroaded by fate
>only character who determinedly works toward a goal
>wants to destroy a stupid, terrible multiverse ruled by an asshole god
hussie is so far gone that he probably still doesn't realize that caliborn is the hero

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>>82530427
>jane not miscarriage tier

Tavros vs Jake vs Karkat vs (Vriska)

free for all

final destination

who wins?

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>>82530414

>>82530419
>Rose didn't take after Dirk
>John didn't take after Jake
>John didn't even take after Jane, who died before his dad raised him
??

>>82527383
How many antidepressives you think he takes a day?

>>82522941

No

after hussie gave us hundreds of things to point out as making the story worse in acts 6 and 7 why did some people latch onto the trolls

a story about 4 kids playing a game is boring

>>82530570
>Dirk didn't raise Rose so taking after him wasn't possible
>Jake didn't raise John so taking after him wasn't possible
>Jane raised Dad who raised John with their preserved lineage of interests intact
!!

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The streets are empty. Wind skims the voids keeping neighbors apart, as if grazing the hollow of a cut reed, or say, a plundered mailbox. A familiar note is produced. It's the one Desolation plays to keep its instrument in tune.

It is your thirteenth birthday, and as with all twelve preceding it, something feels missing from your life. The game presently eluding you is only the latest sleight of hand in the repertoire of an unseen riddler, one to engender a sense not of mirth, but of lack. His coarse schemes are those less of a prankster than a common pickpocket. His riddle is Absence itself. It is a mystery dispersing altogether, like the moon's faint reflection, with even one pebble of inquiry dropped in its black well. It is the most diabolical riddle of all.

"Absence diminishes little passions and increases great ones, as wind extinguishes candles and fans a fire." -Walt Whitman

Yes, you are certain Walt Whitman said that. One hundred percent positive.

You have a feeling it's going to be a long day.

Why are desolation and absence capitalized?

>>82530635
Because hivebent is a major turning point in how andrew handled HS

the author of Homestuck is Drew Hussie
what if his middle name is also a girl's name and all three of his names are things that you call women

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>>82530681
Francis?

>>82530667
It really isn't. The big turning point was probably Cascade.

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>>82530414
Probably Kanaya "Built For Breeding" Maryam.

>>82530495
Jake, hands down. Trolls are shit.

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>>82530721
Did you know Roxy is a mtf transwoman. Just thought I'd let you know.

>>82530495
Karkat and Vriska have a baby fight until they're both on the floor, crying.
Jake and Tavros stand around, stare at each other, eye Karkat and Vriska perplexedly, and then leave to get ice cream.

>>82530653
This right here is when the story first shows its colossal potential.
The bell chimes really make that particular page. I watched it yesterday for nostalgia's sake. Still gives me chills.