Does this guy have a point? >Theory:Frank Miller’s recent

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>His work is dynamic and, in some cases, verging on abstract. Trying to color his stuff with representational lighting and rendering is pointless, whereas a flat, graphic approach (or just leaving it in b&w) allows the energy to jump off the page.”


Forgot the link

http://harveyjames.tumblr.com/post/143735873863/theory-frank-millers-recent-work-is-good-but-it

I really like flat colors I wish they would get used more

I think the art is still subpar for Miller's past achievements, but the coloring is certainly not doing it any favors. Is making what would be tolerable, unbearable.

>>82450119
Make it 2

>>82450060
We had this thread yesterday.

>>82450060
I know Miller wasn't too concerned about anatomy before but different colors will not suddenly make shitty anatomy good.
That leg in the OP is still janky.

>>82450060
The real version looks like lazy dogshit. The glowing bloody knuckles, the repeating Photoshop splatter brush at bottom left and bottom center most noticeably.

Never mind stylistic choices; this is sloppy, amateurish execution first and foremost.

Half of /co/ is convinced that any art without absolute adherence to real life anatomy is shit, they'll never admit that Miller was ever a good artist

>>82450060
>>82450098
Those are both undeniably improvements.

>>82450060
The style is unique, has its own character and is expressive, its refreshing
I might be in the mimority on this but I'm really loving the flat colours and this style.
I wish DC would work with flat colours more often. Not everything has to look the same, it is quite boring.

I do consider this style art.

His stuff looks better but Miller's the artist so let him do his vision

>>82450674
Miller doesn't do the color anon

>>82450662
Yes, the guy was on point. If theres a precise use for flat colors is on Miller's art. I still think his drawings could be less messy but adding the right color treatment clearly improved it

>good art has to be anatomically correct
>good art can't be ugly
>good art can't be abstract
>Lynn Varley is improved by slapping some flat colors over everything

>>82450693
But he chose the colorist. Wrongly, but it was his choice.

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>>82450470
First of all your statement as a whole completely idiotic due to collectively referring to /co/ as a singular entity you can conveniently generalize the opinions and beliefs of without any referenced proof.
Secondly this post right here >>82450139 acknowledge the impressive work Miller brought to the medium back when, something repeatedly echoed in just about every thread on him I've seen even the ones hell bent on damning him for some of his less admirable remarks and beliefs have detoured to make mention of it, so already your post is erroneous in this thread alone.
Thirdly fuck you and everyone responsible for allowing you to become this retarded.

>>82450119
I wish more cape books still used classic comic art styles altogether. I'm tired of digital colouring and people imitating Jim Lee.

Frank seems too bothered with making his art look really ugly to reflect the grimness of his writing now. His more traditional work on his early DD was great though.

>>82450060

I've seen this reblogged by several artists I follow on tumblr.

I think it's bullshit.

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>>82450098
>>82450551
It is better, but Miller's art is still a mess now.

>>82450060
This is /co/, if they can't jerk off to it is not considered good

>>82450859
Why?

>>82450060
Sorta?
Frank Miller's art is definitely drawn more appropriately for flat, stylized colours like what was available in the 70s-80s, rather than modern computer colours.

But it's still really ugly and indicative of his declining health/abilities.

>>82450470
>they'll never admit that Miller was ever a good artist
I know I won't.

>>82450983
You just sort of did.

>>82450470
Well I hate Miller regardless of his art

>>82450927

Yes, the recolors improve the mess that is the finished product.

But you're fucking mad if you think these pictures are good.

They are shlock even by Miller standars. His old work was way better.

>>82451033
Oh I see, I thought you might be arguing that the originals were better. Phew

>>82450906
Not only is the one on the right better, the coloring on the left is a total hack job.

The bottom one of >>82450060 is also better. The face alone tells you that.

>>82451056

Oh, god no. If I was in charge I'd fire the colorist, but aparently he was handpickd by Miller himself.

>>82451069
This, the infatuation with flat colors is embarrassing when digital has already been shown time and time again to be superior and actually needing skill. Making a figure a single color is lazy and not art.

>>82451069
You have a very funny definition of 'better'. The realistic shading on DC's versions makes the characters look like freakishly deformed skin monsters that were never meant to be born into this world. The flat and simplified coloring makes the figures' unrealness actually fit the image

>>82451069
Pfff...

>>82451147
So, neo /co/ is real...

>>82451214
I think that guy is b8ing.

>>82451159
>You have a very funny definition of 'better'.
What, like artistically more complex and interesting? I like how you can just instantly intuit author intention too.

>>82451159
Problem is this:
>>82451094
>>82450786

Millar wanted this colorist and so one can assume he wanted it colored like this. Freakish realistically colored abominations is apparently what Millar was going for, not flat stylized cartoon.

>>82451214
You people DO know that neo /board/ started as a statement about the leak over of neogaf into /v/ coupled with their console views and not about a new era of board users which have always just been newfags.
Neo /co/ doesn't make any sense.

>>82450060
The coloring DC chose is fucking shit and this guy made it better, but it still looks bad, espeically the Superman one.

>>82451260
>implying that the barrage of comic book movies didnt brought a bunch of newfags here

I think it looks better, so much so that it's a joke the original was published. But apparently Miller chose the guy who colored his stuff, so if that's what he wants that's the way it is.

In regard to Miller's art I agree with Michel Fiffe's opinions

https://twitter.com/MichelFiffe/status/727209029605425153

>>82451312
Miller chose it, not DC

>>82452049

he's on point about it. I think Busiek said similar stuff when that Superman/Atom cover first hit

>>82451069
>The face alone tells you that.
What about the boot growing out of Bruce's fist?

>>82451312
Why does the pencilling look bad though? Yeah, it's not the usual perfect superhero anatomy because everything has to be perfect, superheroes have to represent "perfection", it takes away the creative art freedom. But that imperfection is what makes it so great, it goes against those strict anatomy rules. The "rebellious" ugliness makes it beautiful.

>>82450881
Trash

I prefer the flat colouring on Millars work but im still not in love with Millars work.

There are occasional moments were it works but mostly it looks like rough thumbnails that need to be cleaned up

Thats just one man's opinion though

>>82450881

okay the coloring on this one is bad

>>82451259
>Millar wanted this colorist and so one can assume he wanted it colored like this. Freakish realistically colored abominations is apparently what Millar was going for, not flat stylized cartoon.
Do you know if Miller picked this artist out of a few selected by DC, or if he personally sought this colorist out himself?

I'd really like to know which color work Miller prefers and why but, I have no idea how difficult contacting him for a comment may be.

>>82450119
Same here. One of the main reasons I love Copra so much is because of the old-school coloring.

>>82450098
>>His work is dynamic and, in some cases, verging on abstract. Trying to color his stuff with representational lighting and rendering is pointless...

Thank you, I hate modern coloring. It's so cheap and mostly done as an after thought.

>>82450098

>>82450060

Isn't this the issue with *every* great penciler of yesteryear? Today's colorists have no clue what to do with their work.


Fuck, even *Liefeld* looks better with 80's coloring.

>>82450881
This is like a Picasso painting or something. What the fuck is going on with his cape?

I'd actually compare Miller's art with Picasso or Yoshitaka Amano, no joke.

>>82450060
>>82450098
All modern day big 2 colorists need to be fired, and then taken out around behind the chemical sheds and shot.

>>82458648
>Yoshitaka Amano
I get where you're coming from, but I can't let you do that Star Fox.

I like both realist colouring and flat graphic colouring. It's a pity that the Big 2 can't experiment with different art styles.

I think he's absolutely correct, and so is >>82450119.

Look at Coming of the Supermen, fucking awful metallic digital coloring.

>>82450334
Anatomical correctness does not equal artistic merit, nor lack thereof.

I absolutely hate modern coloring in comic books.

Realistic lighting and trying to add artificial volume that just isn't in the penciling absolutely kills the fucking art.

>>82455110
>>82451259
Miller can genuinely have an incorrect opinion about what color job works better with this stuff, y'know.

>>82459956
There's nothing that makes good art look cheap faster than slapping gradients all over it

Miller's art is great for what it is.

Guy's not an illustrator, he's a comic book artist, and his layout work is flawless.

>>82460038

Yup. Even Hellboy sometimes gets that treatment, and it's super jarring, because mignola art is huge on BW contrasts and flat colors. Any type of gradient in it is just jarring as fuck.

These strike me as pretty cherry picked, and he completely changes the backgrounds and layout in some. Are those even colorist choices?

Genuinely curious, not trying to discount his view. I just don't know myself.

>>82460435
Miller has been historically very trusting of color artists to take care of whole parts of scenes, including stuff like backgrounds, yes.

Layout notsomuch, but these are almost all alterations of cover art pieces.

>>82460097
The art was half the reason I got into Hellboy, Mignola's art is gorgeous. I don't remember what book it was, but I just couldn't get myself to read it because the art or the coloring was atrocious, it didn't feel like Hellboy

>>82460904
Doesn't Dave Stewart color literally every Hellboy comic? I can't remember one story being that different looking.

Unless it was from the new Hellboy and the BPRD stuff, I haven't read any of that

>>82461094
>Dave Stewart

I love seeing a name like Stewart or Bellaire on a cover, it's a very relieving feeling. Like... "ah, this book is actually guaranteed to have good coloring".

Stewart's work on Nord's pencils for Conan is one of the best coloring jobs of all time, and he's able to totally shift to something else for Hellboy, and basically everything.

>>82461166
Man having seen Nord with Stewart on Conan makes looking at his work at X-O Manowar really hard. I think there was an issue where eh colored himself and it looked way better than the rest

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>>82461213
Yep, like the first issue tying into Unity. He fucking demolished it in that issue. It was a damn shame they didn't keep that style and just get a background artist.

Where's he even ended up lately anyways? He hasn't penciled for X-O or Valiant too much at all, and I think all i've seen are the covers for Suicide Squad: Most Wanted

>>82450060
>Hasn't taken a shit in two weeks
>laxatives don't work
>on his way back from the doctors, he tells himself he won't let this shit control him any longer
>Both his parents appear before Bruce
>Son, we believe in you. We know you can do this
>Bruce gathers all his resolve and decides this ends now
>he squats on top of the building he is staked up on
>he pushes harder then he's ever pushed before

the dark shit drops

highly stylistic art should have highly stylistic coloring

its a shame he cant just color it himself, that way wed see it the way it was truly intended.

>>82450759
>/co/ knowing something about actual drawing

jokes on you these fags think alex ross is the peak of comic book art

>>82450334
found the 12 year old

>>82461488
he makes really good posters. Kingdom Come is insanely over rated, speech bubbles and other comic elements just clash with his style and makes it look like he just slapped them on because he had to.

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>still defending Fuck Miller's shit art and blame the color artist instead

Only thing worse than Miller is Millerfags.

>it's meant to look bad
Fuck off, youngfags.

>>82451069
Post your work

>>82460435
>Are those even colorist choices?
When it comes to Miller, yes. Sometimes he would leave whole panels blank and let the colorist fill them in as they felt appropriate.

>>82450060
I don't think it's a huge improvement, and it's still far from Miller's best, but he does raise a good point in that colorists too rarely get the blame for shitty art

>>82464569
You just have no means to value art. Just because it's ugly doesn't mean Miller isn't a skilled artist. He's just playing by a different set of rules than you understand.

Your viewpoint is very common in modern mainstream comics which is why it's a heartless sea of mediocrity.

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>>82458832
>today
>modern
Lynn Varley was the colorist on DKSA, wasn't she?

>>82450098
What happened to his nose?

>>82465469
Yes.

Since her divorce she pretty much disappeared from the industry.

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>>82465531
Is that intended to be a comment on her abilities? Anyone that says Frank Miller is a bad artist or Lynn Varley is a bad colorist is insane desu be honest.

>>82454268
the linework is also bad, the art in general is bad. whatthefuck is wrong with you ?