Is Homestuck a prime example how not to do a webcomic? >dropped

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Act 5 was the beginning of the decline and Act 6 was the sheer cliff drop.

>>82352101
>"2 deep 4 u" meta ending
Vriska stole English's role as the cue stick, turning him into the 8-ball and allowing him to be pocketed in the black hole. What's so complicated about that?

>>82352197
Nice """"theory"""", anon.

What's next? Breath having to do with freedom?

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The moment the fans cared more about the fandom that the actual comic
Why do you think most homestuck fans jumped ship to Undertale?

>>82352197
the fact that Hussie really was Lord English, in the end. or rather that LE was the embodiment of all Hussies own personal influence on the comic, all his own stylistic choices. that he was literally the combination of all Hussies own self-insertion characters.

the fact that the entire 'caliborn stealing the narrative' subplot was never actually resolved, and in fact Act 7 was simply another of Caliborns (presumably endless) 'Masterpieces'.

the fact that Caliborn/LE actually did get better at THE ARTS. the fact that he probably really is, straight up, the Hero.

I just can't BELIEVE how fucking bad bringing Vriska back was, or how much of every character's development just got "nah"ed in the blink of an eye (except of course John and Roxy's, the two whitebread main characters after Hussie decided to make her the main alpha kid halfway through because she was already the most liked). Every bit of it the last acts of the comic felt like it was written specifically for meta reasons like author fatigue and dislike of his story's direction / development.

>>82352320
I don't see how Caliborn could have made Act 666 or Act 7 though. He would have to grow as a person and develop a conscience in addition to becoming more adept at The Arts.

Or maybe he just became more sophisticated, and decided that the existential horror of Homestuck was sadistic enough.

>>82352526
Why do you do this?

could you explain to someone who had never even heard of homestuck a brief synopsis

OFFICIAL BREEDING TIER LIST:

Repopulation Tier:
Jade

Islamic Family Tier:
Jane
Aradia
Feferi

Wholesome American Family Tier:
Roxy
Nepeta
Terezi

Miscarriage Tier:
Rose
Vriska

Barren as the Void Session Tier:
Kanaya

>>82352584
It's a webcomic. Some kids play a video game that creates worlds, except they fucked up.

>>82352584
4 kids play a game and as a result an office worker goes on a multi-universe killing spree. There's also aliens and meta bullshit if you're into that kind of stuff.

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>>82352584

>>82352584
After spending seven years playing a video game, a young man finally leaves his house.

>>82352584
four kids play a video game that ruins EVERYTHING. including the reader.

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Post "noob bait" characters

new readers need to be warned which convos they can skip

THE WRONG SLICK LIVED

THE WRONG SLICK LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVED

>>82352783
the wrong jack lived
there's only one slick

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>>82352615
Aradia needs to go up a tier

>>82352556
A disillusion for a sunk ship that only happens with dead characters

>>82352804
Jade looks really hill billy-ish to me in this picture for some reason.

>>82352584
8 human kids and 26 alien kids play the worst game in the multiverse and ruin everything.

Prince-/Bard+
Knight-/Page+
Thief-/Rogue+
Heir-/Maid+
Witch-/Mage+
Sylph-/Seer+
Lord-/Muse+

>>82352903
Well I mean she did just have seven kids out of wedlock with no real medical equipment and has buck teeth.

>>82352101
No. Homestuck for a while was one of the best webcomics out there. What it is, is a prime example of how burning yourself out on your workload can ruin your product.
When Hussie started the game kickstarter and started multi-month pauses, for a comic that thrived on quick updates, that's when it really just went to shit. Each return from hiatus only got worse and worse, you could see Hussie got less and less invested in his comic.

>>82352944
Heir doenst seem like an active class

>>82352981
Maid seems even less active
It seems to behave the same way Lord does, the effect is there all the time
Caliborn doesn't actually use time powers visibly but he is still the most active class HE IS ALREADY HERE
John just poofs into wind, does the windy thing and is generally just assisted by breath

>>82352584
It's an 8000+ page science-fantasy epic with an emphasis on humorous repartee between a huge cast of teens, most of whom are legitimately fucked in the head in various different ways. a large part of joy is seeing how the depth of these characters disturbances unfold and emerge from quiet subtext to very overt drama.

>>82352957
>out of wedlock
>implying

>>82352584
Its lost but shittier

>>82352981
>>82353033
y'all best not forget that Hussie redefined what "active" and "passive" mean

passive = "I fight for my friends"
active = "I fight for myself"

>>82352584
Bunch of kids over 5 universes play a game. One character plays by the rules, spawns the best sidecharacters in the comic, has the most smart dapper motherfucker under his reign, but gets demonized and tossed under the bus anyway.

4/10

>>82353033
Yeah, but Lord is like alwasy doing it for himself. Like, Caliborn is innately making time work at his favor and solely his favor to the point the time loops will alwasy ensure he will become English even with the lowest possibility.

Heir and Maid seem more like team helpers, like how John is ''the wind that blows ships'' according to Dave

>>82352979

I agree. The biggest reason the ending hurts so much in its mediocrity is because of how incredibly good it was before.

>>82352903
I think she looks cute

>>82352101
Fuck you i liked it

>>82353110
Source?

You can tell that they derailed around act 5. It feels like Hussie had a much simpler idea that turned into something he didn't really have complete control over. It was far too big and ambitious for Hussie to take on almost entirely by himself, but at the end of the day I guess it payed off for him. It's not like the fandom really gives a shit that everything after act 4 is pretty much one giant asspull.

>>82352584
Gay time travelling leprechauns have an adventure with an autistic skeleton manchild.

>>82353192
calliope

more specifically, it's that active classes VERB the NOUN, or VERB through/with the NOUN, while passive classes INVITE VERBING of the NOUN, or INVITE VERBING through/with the NOUN.

>>82352518
that's the meta bullshit element of it all. LE is Hussie, and always was.

>>82352783
>The Jack who was mind controlled was killed
>The Jack who helped the trolls, and then created civilization out of a dead world, and only wanted to kill the villain to avenge his casino died
>The Jack who killed everything he could see including 3 of the kid's guardians and essentially destroyed the session lived
HUSSIE

>>82353192
http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006414

>>82353218
Not quite.
>the +/- distinction can mean many things, bUt coUld be qUite roUghly sUmmed Up in this way: active classes exploit their aspect to benefit themselves, while passive classes allow their aspect to benefit others.

>>82352197
That's a dumb theory, Vriska basically had nothing to do with it, whatever actually happened it was the Juju that did all the work she just opened a fucking chest.

>>82353218
Oh so then the Heir fits active since its "DOES the WINDY THING"

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>>82353214
>tfw it's true

>>82353253
fair enough, i know i heard the "invite verbing the noun" somewhere

>>82353257
you'd rather that Lord English was defeated by a literal plot device, rather than SBURB classpect shenanigans?

>>82353201
Everything up to EO5: Cascade was intricately plotted and part of Hussies original planning. Yes, Act 5.1 gave the trolls a lot more time and attention than he originally planned, but the gist of everything that happened and especially everything that was relevant in the end was solid.

It was Act 6 where everything went to shit, spiraled completely out of control, and ultimately Hussie just gave up.

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>>82353214
THIS IS IT
THIS IS HOMESTUCK

>>82353214
Stop, you make it sound like it's actually that interesting

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>>82353214
Beautiful.

>>82353268
Too young

>>82353214
fucking ace

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>>82353346

>>82352584
Several different groups of kids try saving the world.

>>82352584
A comic that will give you the best waifus and then leave you unsatisfied.

>>82352255
>jumped ship

lel that's the long and short of it

>>82353431
>try saving the world
confirmed for not having any idea of what happened during homestuck

>>82353431
>skipping nana logs

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Which three characters would you kill off for good and improve the comic? Which one should survive?

Karkat
>+makes funny rants
>+gets shit done back then
>-self-loathing asshole
>-surrounded by an unlucky aura that fucks him and his friends hard, despite being an innocent guy
>-no combat experience / lazy fuck who would rather watch romcoms
>-We don't know what the fuck Blood does
>+-tryhard
>+-inspires and motivates people when he gets killed off

Vriska
>+gets shit done
>+FLARP combat experience
>+god tier
>-brutal past and mindfang's sex novel fucked over her brain
>-becomes worthless when she is in a happy relationship
>+-steals someone's role and becomes the main star

Gamzee
>+-What's his deal
>+-becomes a murdermachine in doomed timelines (good to stop power-hungry friends, bad if they just fucked up something small)
>+-acts helpful if the comic and his worshipped god demand it
>-is actually an asshole for abusing Terezi

Eridan
>+our prince
>+++better than the other three losers
>+only wants to win the Fefbowl
>+can survive in a hell zone for several weeks
>+has a nice weapon
>-believes too much in magic and actually lets himself get manipulated by Kanaya into thinking that the wand gave him power
>-gets jealous easily

>>82353288
I'd rather he was defeated by the kids trapped in the Juju, either by the kids pocketing him into Calliope's hole or trapping him in the Juju then pocketing the Juju. I'd like to believe the kids being in the Juju was important, rather than Vriska getting the kill.

Though even in that case, Vriska is still the stick in the metaphor of Juju cue ball hits LE 8 ball into black hole pocket, so I guess it does just make the ending a bit cooler, including classpect shenanigans.

>>82352101
It reached an end and that's more than most webcomics can do

>>82353518
Karkat should survive and actually do something. Vriska dies when terezi stabs her. Slick broke the clock for fuck sake, keep it that way, don't retcon her back.

Gamzee is eh, serve LE or whatever like he did, who cares.

I'm fine with what happened to eri. He's wwalkin in a better place now

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>>82353214
i wish this was the fucking plot

>>82353518
Vriska.

>>82353396
You think Jade is gonna get pregnant like, right away after getting to the new world

>>82352783
Bec Noir getting an implied happy ending over Spades Slick is the weirdest decision. PM should have killed him.

>>82353518
Eri because I want everyone to die and fish gone genocide is the best genocide

>>82353540
Which ending was better? Homestuck or Ctrl+Alt+Del?

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I really wished Homestuck had become a fucking shonnen full of battles with crazy superpowers based on reality warping.

>>82352494
This.
Having the whole comic being consistently about kids growing up and dealing with shit, and then getting to the very last portion, changing everything into a situation without problems and brushing it off with a "no, personal growth was never important! what's important is the growth of the ULTIMATE SELF!" was a particularly awful thing to do.

Just by telling us we shouldn't care about individual iterations won't make us *not* care about them.

As for the retconquest, I see it as him prioritizing the fact that there were retcons and MYSTERIOUS PASSWORDS and meta shit over actual substance in those changes. Those subtle changes were stupid and useless, specially when one of those subtle changes was PUNCHING VRISKA LOL.

>>82353518
Gamzee

>>82353607
How different would the comic be if the cherubs were present from the start?

>>82353583
Hussie should have just made Jade the token lesbian

Rose could be asexual

>>82353689
rose is only into horrorterrors

>>82353689
Nah man, Jade from the start seemed like a massive cockwhore

>>82353675
Better. Caliborn is essentially the main character anyways.

Alas their reveal, which I honestly consider one of the greatest things I've seen in a webcomic, could only have had the impact it had with all the pages of stupid bullshit before it.

>>82353689
>Jade "BREEDING DUTIES" Harley
>interested in fish steak surprise

This is the worst suggestion I've ever seen.

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>>82353701
I wish we had more adventures with the Midnight Crew.

>>82353583
>epilogue makes it seem like a timeskip, Jade's got a bunch of kids already
>it's only been like, eighteen months

>>82353701
So was she actually autistic or what?

>>82353740
We already have the 'motherly' lesbian character though so it's not far fetched

>>82353746
Whoops, accidentally quoted a post.

>>82353779
her first log with karkat, he calls her autistic.

based on her personality and behavior, I'm inclined to agree with him

>>82353591
>comic ends with pressing a button
>instead of pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del
Still mad about that and I didn't even read that garbage.

>>82353746
MC were the true MCs of homosuck

>>82353779
That's what Karkat believed, but who knows.

>inb4 the epilogue is

JOHN: i'm so happy we're finally free of the game!
CALLIOPE: yes
ROXY: ur so pretty
JOHN: i wonder what happened to vriska
ROXY: shes so pretty
CALLIOPE: she was very brave
JOHN: don't say was! i'm sure she's still okay.
JOHN: oh look karkat and dave are over there

KARKAT: KISS ME DAVE.
DAVE: rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality. the sociology of rape culture is studied academically by us feminists. there is disagreement over what defines a rape culture and as to whether any given societies meet the criteria to be considered a rape culture.
KARKAT: STOP RAMBLING.
KARKAT: I LOVE WHEN YOU DO THAT.
DAVE: ur pretty
KARKAT: I'M GLAD WE CAN LIVE HAPPILY ON EARTH.
DAVE: and all thanks to vriska.
KARKAT: IF IT WASN'T FOR VRISKA WE WOULDN'T BE TOGETHER HAPPILY LIKE THIS.
DAVE: i fucking love you karbro
KARKAT: I FUCKING LOVE YOU TOO FUCK FUCK SHITHEAD.

KANAYA: Do You Think Vriska Is Okay
ROSE: No.
KANAYA: Oh
ROSE: She was a nuisance and we all resented her for that. But she was what glued us all together. I don't know how are we going to make this planet prosper without her.
KANAYA: So That Is What You Meant When You Said No
KANAYA: You Were Just Being Pessimistic But You Want Her To Be Back Right
ROSE: Yes.
ROXY: ur so pretty

*a panel that shows Dirk, Jake, Jade and Jane playing a volleyball match on the background*

*8 panels of Terezi being sad and alone sitting under a tree*
*the last panels shows her looking up to a light, while she smiles and cries a single tear*

TEREZI: WH4T 1S TH4T L1GHT
TEREZI: COULD 1T B3...

[THE END.]

credit goes to some anon from last thread

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>>82353782
Yeah that's motherly though. Not the same as BREEDING

>>82353822
>>82353807
What I'm more surprised of is that trolls can have autism

Actually no this isn't surprising at all

>>82353807
>Karkat calls her autistic in that first log
>Eridan openly calls her autistic
>"WOW ERIDAN WATCH YOUR TRIGGERS, NEPETA IS A GOOD GIRL AND I WANT TO MAKE MYSELF LOOK GOOD IN PUBLIC"

every fucking time

>>82353779
She was part of the most successful troll relationship in the comic. But still, difficult to say considering we don't know how distant her behavior was from normal troll culture.

>>82353843
Kanaya gets away with being focused on breeding and also a lesbian because of how trolls work.

>>82353835
Needs a
>TEREZI: UR SO PR3TTY

>>82353870
i honestly think karkat is an awful character and person

tavros should have been the 'main' troll

>>82352584
KIDS AND FUN

>>82353885
No, that's Roxy's thing.

>>82353870
Karkat thought it was fucked up how he wasn't really treating her like a person. Obviously Karkat doesn't have a problem with insulting people.

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>>82353835
JUST MY LIFE INTO PIECES.
THIS IS MY LAST COMIC.
GAY SHIPS. NO UPDATES.
DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF MY FANBASE LEAVES ME.
SOMEONE PLEASE BUY HIVESWAP.

>>82353879
Jade was more focused on breeding though. Jade expected to get impregnated at some point and apparently was looking forward to it.

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More important: cat mouth

>>82354009
Did anyone ever tell her about ectobiology?

>>82354009
>Kanaya says breeding duties and Jade immediately starts thinking about getting fucked

Why is Jade such a god damned nympho

>>82353942
That makes Karkat even bigger hypocrite

>>82354078
shameless islander free of our puritan values

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Daily reminder that Vriska did nothing wrong and that she is the best character in homestuck.

Roxy and Jade would have made such a good couple of friends. It's a true shame that the 8 kids never were a group.

>>82352584
"What if Butterfly Effect did not involve Ashton Kutcher but instead involved about 34 autistic children?"

>>82354130
we didn't even get an all 4 beta kid conversation.

that really shows how shitty this comic was by the end.

>>82353484
>>82353503
Yeah but its simpiler to explain like that if you want to give a tl;dr version to someone

>tfw the new Karkat wouldn't call people fags or autistic like the old Karkat
>tfw the new Karkat gets easily bullied by Clover and cries while old Karkat would be losing his shit and getting pissed off
>Old Karkat will never come back
>New Karkat will always be the residential woobie and accessory character.

>>82354130
They could bond over their mutual kind-of-raised-by-carapaces, love of guns, and love of dicks

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>>82354026
I think I need to stop liking characters in comics
They die every time.

>>82354213
>love of guns, and love of dicks
Freud having a field day

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>>82353870
I don't think Eridan even called her autistic
I think this was the worst thing he said about her

Is it weird if I don't like Act 7's animation? It's just so disconnected from the rest of the comic's artstyle, so it feels nothing like Homestuck to me.

>>82352584

The primary story is focused on 4 kids who begin playing a game. This game transports the kids to another world and focuses on the war between two sides represented as black and white chess pieces. By defeating the black side and destroying the sources of power for both sides, the winner of the game is rewarded with a new universe. In playing the game, the 4 kids discover important aspects about themselves, their creation, and their own universe. However, they are not the only ones playing this game. Alien species are playing their own seperate version of the game as well. An alien race known as 'trolls' won their version of the game and created the universe of the 4 kids. Another alien race known as 'cherubs' had a single player play the game. However, his game took on a billiards theme instead of the chess theme. As his ultimate reward, he won enormous power and used this power to tear about the multiverse in search of his sister, who he wishes to destroy. Through interactions with these other players, as well as others, the 4 kids successfully create a new universe and eliminate the thread of the Cherub.

>>82354352
The direction and the animation of Act 7 aren't all that great really, but it's pretty amazing given that it was created by just a handful of people

>>82354352
It would've been a fitting end to the comic if there was an extended Caliborn prequel as Hussie's next project, as the final update realized Caliborn's dream of life and reality being anime and such.

>>82354213
They'll stick together as the only two heterosexual women in the comic.

>>82354385
I mean, you could have stopped at

>the winner of the game is rewarded with a new universe. In playing the game, the 4 kids discover important aspects about themselves

rather than spoil the overarching plot

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good rose

>>82354158

This is the ultimate disappointment for me and why I'll look back on Homestuck with dislike.

>>82354352
it's pretty, i guess, but not very compelling visually
and the character art is jank
it's pretty clear that they really aren't very good at character animation

>>82354441

It's a summary. Wouldn't that mean it doesn't need to be spoiler free?

>>82354352
No, it's fucking awful.

>>82354409
SBURB sure knows how to pick 'em, eh?
As far as I can tell, to succeed at SBURB you either have to be gay or a psychopath.

>>82354352
I was eh about the whole thing. Impressive sure, but not fitting.

I must say I really enjoyed animated caliborn though.

This is all true

I would have liked if Hussie had just opened up a suggestion box again for Act 7, or some sort of multiple choice ending thing.

News would spread, everyone would come back and fight over exactly what should be in the ending, and whether it's bad end, good end, bittersweet, this person ends up with them etc.

He'd pick like the top ten out of a list how many ever, and put those in the ending.

>>82354500
If it's a summary for someone who hasn't read the comic, it's standard practice to not spoil things so they may be enticed to read it, unless they openly ask for spoilers.

>>82354520
Yeah there were some parts that they really nailed, like Caliborn. The bigger problem is that the quality isn't consistent throughout, and also that it has serious pacing issues and feels very tedious to watch for the first half.

>>82354466
I think the hands could be smaller

>>82354385
It's really hilarious how even a very barebones summary like this is 90% spoilers. Pretty much everything there was a huge deal when it was actually revealed.

Like, remember when Jade's identity was a big point of speculation? Or when we had no idea who the trolls were? Simpler times.

>>82354555
More like he would pick the top 8 and then replace all of them with Vriska.

>>82354582
I like the frog phasing in and out and shit, but we should have had less frog footage, and less paradise epilogue shit. more LE and caliborn would have been good.

Remember when that one emotion on Pesterchum was supposed to cause the apocalypse?

>>82354590
remember when the exile story was the most confusing aspect? now I have to stop myself mentioning things that seem really obvious to new readers because in retrospect, they're actually pretty big spoilers

>>82352804
Aaaand you need to go kill yourself

>>82354654
Why?

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>>82354654
You first shitrag.

>>82352320
Caliborn didn't make Act 7 because he only had control of the Act 6 sub sub acts.

The kids should have had a normal session. Some people say that would have been boring, but I say it wouldn't have been a disappointing clusterfuck that took seven years.

>>82354693
a6a6i5 never ended

>>82354701
full agreement. more emphasis on exiles. and if you're going to have jack as a prominent archagent, don't have him enter the trolls' session, kill him there and then in place of the black king.

>>82354701
Hussie should've just explained SBURB to us, fuck

>>82354676
Whats wrong with her mouth?

>>82354693
I was pretty disappointed in Act 666 because I was expecting shit to hit the fan, partly because it was supposed to be Caliborn's act, but also because Satan. Then Act 7 would have been where the heroes turn it around. But that other shoe never dropped.

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Calliope and Caliborn are supposed to represent the two sides of the fanbase, right? That means by extension, Lord English represents the fandom too. (He did, after all, cause a literal Death of The Author.) If LE's death was caused by Vriska, who was brought back via the retcon, that means...

VRISKA AND THE RETCON KILLED THE FANBASE

>>82354693
People saying that Caliborn made Act 7 are missing the point SO MUCH.
Why would he make an anime with all the things that we see on it? Like, why would he make an act where a girl like Vriska gets to be super important and relevant and kills him? It's stupid.
I anything, Caliborn drawing anime is a retroactive parody of Act 7, just like the rest of Homosuck chapters were parodies of other parts of Homestuck.
I can't deal with people so moronic and simplistic. OH LOL IT'S ANIME IT'S MADE BY CALIBORN RIGHT?

>>82354767
DEEPEST

>>82354716
the header for Collide says ACT 6 ACT 6 ACT 6

>>82354753
malformed from sucking too much dick :v

So, how would people feel if Hussie's next comic was just the entire Troll session, start to finish, every detail?

We'd get to see how a regular session plays out, we'd get character development on every troll, and we'd learn more about troll culture.

>>82352584
A crowbar so powerful that would put gordon freeman to shame is the source of a universe spanning epic in which 4 'friends' rarely speak to eachother.

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>>82352783
>The wrong Jack lived
>The right Jack died
>The wrong Vriska never faced consequences
>The right Vriska was hurt and forgotten
IN THE NAME OF THE AIMLESS RENEGADE
(MAY HE REST IN GLORIOUS PEACE)
WE DEMAND JUSTICE

>>82354676
>Filename

wwell it seems they dont havve to search any longer
*wwhips out dick

>>82354795
I'd like to see him do something else.

>>82354775
I'm pretty sure they understand that, they're just in denial and trying to find ways to justify that the ending didn't actually happen and there's going to be another shitty twist.

>>82354784
Oh you're right, I missed that.

>>82354819
TIME TO PUT THEM IN THE SLAMMER

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>>82354753
dicks is what is wrong

>>82354860
Jane making a callback to that was super cute.
I wish Crocker Jane had gotten a proper resolution. Jane was such a missed potential, why did Hussie even waste effort characterizing her?

Is Homestuck the most cosplayed thing?

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>>82354905
She could have been great

>>82354926
I'm gonna' say star wars or star trek

>Nanna is the best sprite
>Jane is the worst kid
How

>>82354969
her personality ripens with age

>>82354905
>why did Hussie even waste effort characterizing her?
he didn't

Which internet subcultures/personalities do you think homestuck should have investigated/investigated further?

>>82354905
>Jane (somehow) becomes ARs apprentice in justice and throws Bec in the slammer

I fix'd Jane

>>82354860
that's what you call jail when you're really angry, right?

>>82354998
sollux should have been more of a pseudo-hacker, the same way rose was pseudo-intelligent

>>82354795
I might read it but I don't want it. Nothing interesting can even happen on the character side since we've already seen all the relevant character stuff, the beginning and end of their character arcs and what brought them there.

I just want the epilogue so I can wash my hands of Homestuck.

>>82354998
hiveswap has troll social media, so be prepared for 'normie' internet memes

>>82354998
Tinder.

Oh wow if Homestuck hadn't been in a suspended state of animation, Hussie would have obviously referenced Tinder.

>>82355032
When you're really really angry, yes

>>82355032
that's how you call it when you're extra angry at crimes

>>82354998
an afrofuturism troll
please

>>82353583
Jade probably got pregnant on the fucking ship (zero subtlety double entendre there). Daves (or was it Davesprite? same either way) line about how 'it was actually pretty fucking boring') was a joke. It was pretty fucking FUCKING.

>>82355085
>IF U UP SMASH THAT MF'IN 'RAIL BUTTON
Shoot me

>>82355125
afrofuturism was actually one of my favorite things before SJWs trashed it

you could argue that and it don't stop is afrofuturism

>>82354998
I'd say internet tough guy, but Karkat probably qualifies.

Maybe someone more like Andrew's internet persona, but used less as a joke.

We also never had conspiracy theorists

>>82355154
>We also never had conspiracy theorists
Calliope sorta?

>>82355154
>conspiracy theorists
Jude in hiveswap will fit that role

>>82355145
i don't know that meme

Why do we dislike Kankri again?

What's the reason for disliking each dancestor?

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>>82354998
CoD
Mountain Dew
Doritos
Desert Eagles
Military wannabe

>>82354998
None. Homestuck's a product of 2009 through and through, and it shows in every aspect of Homestuck (web 2.0, the private messaging, the trolls, etc.).

Every single time Hussie steps outside of those boundaries it turns out as shit. The Dreambubbles-Tumblr deal, the hilariously forced fedora "joke", freaking Vriskagram, etc.

I'd rather that Hussie save those jokes for Hiveswap, maybe all this time off has given him some time to read up on what the internet's actually like today.

>>82355206
The dancestors suck because Openbound was an unfunny and painfully long waste of time and effort from all involved, including the readers

>>82355212
we had montage parodies as a whole with the mental breakdown flash though, so mountain dew and doritos would be a little redundant.

andrew probably didn't use them to avoid copyright/advertising or something

>>82355206
meenah: she was VASTLY superior to feferi in every way and had no business being one of the best trolls so late in the story
Aranea: smug vriska
damara: not introduced earlier even though aradia is also perfect

>>82355246
>andrew probably didn't use them to avoid copyright/advertising
that's stopped him before?

>>82355202
That's for the best, anon.

>>82355246
>andrew probably didn't use them to avoid copyright
This is why the Betty Crocker
Also Doritos appeared somewhere, I'm sure of it.

>>82353396
#whitegirlsfuckdogs

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The constant addition of characters is what killed homosuck
Can you name any of the ancestor trolls? Other than Vriska's or the fish bitch? What are their personalities? Go on, i'll wait.

Also Hiveswap will most likely be shit because Andrew got cucked by a bunch of asshole devs.

>>82355264
well bethesda cracked down on him for using daedric eventually, as for other blatant real world products I dunno, crocker seems to enjoy it in all honesty

>>82355282
>Andrew got cucked by a bunch of asshole devs

What the fuck does "cucked" even mean in that context?

>>82355282
most of us probably can, actually.

horuss is my fave

you're right though

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>>82355212
>Doritos
pic
>>82355246
>andrew probably didn't use them to avoid copyright/advertising or something
have you even read the fucking comic?

>>82355282
>Can you name any of the ancestor trolls? Other than Vriska's or the fish bitch? What are their personalities? Go on, i'll wait.
Uh, yes?

>>82355308
even they don't know

>>82355328
>have you even read the fucking comic?
no

>>82355282
just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean everyone else didn't

>>82355308
They stole a bunch of the budget and now Hiveswap will look like a flash game.

>>82355308
Cucked no longer has any set meaning, you can use it to mean anything negative happening now. Thanks /v/.

>>82355290
wait, what.
did I miss something involving companies interacting with Hussie?

Because the comic is riddled with real-world products. Gushers, Ecto-Cooler, Tab, Barbasol, etc.

>>82355308
Andrew thought they were faithful, but they were actually having sex with (developing) a black bull (King's Quest).

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>>82355290
hussie licensed songs, don't see why he wouldn't license other stuff

>>82355369
The cuck meme went haywire in /pol/

>>82355377
Some Betty Crocker social media thing made a Homestuck reference

>>82355387
>bowman mentioned

what's your favorite bowman song, /hst/?

>>82355363
Yeah, I fucking know what happened, what I want to know is what "cucked" has to do with any of that.

>>82355380
that's not a cuck tho
that's just normal adultery

>>82355414
It's a meme you dip.

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I'm glad she got her wish

>>82355369
I remember having to explain what it meant in high school, so I assume most people don't even know what it means, which makes it very unfortunate that the term has become so popular.

>>82355308
/v/ and /pol/ have removed any meaning from the word

>>82355411
Megalovania

>>82355282
Damara. Petulant bitch, pissed at Rufioh
Rufioh (rufioh)
Mituna. lacks an internal censor, apologetic, clumsy, cuute
Kankri. insufferable, incapable of shutting up, kind of a dick, doesn't like to be mothered
Meulin. well nep had no personality either
Porrim. likes sex, is a mom.
Latula. hides insecurity behind RADNESS, complicated feelings about mituna but loves him anyway
Aranea a cute
Kurloz. Silent cloun
Cronus. sleazy former wizard who lost hope and now pervs on everyone.

>>82355282
I won't argue that they're extraneous characters, but
Damara: Slutty Japanese schoolgirl
Rufioh: Dante Basco
Mituna: Retarded
Kankri: SJW
Meulin: Deaf memer
Porrim: Feminist
Latula: Rad skater/gamer girl
Horuss: basically equius right
Kurloz: Evil memer
Cronus: "nice guy"/otherkin

>>82355432
It's a fucking autistic meme from one of the few boards on 4chan more cancerous than us.

>>82355282
Uh.

Meenah
Aranea
Horuss
Rufioh
Damara
Meulin
Kankri
Latula
Cronus
Mituna
Kurloz
Porrim

Hooray.

>>82355445
listen here u lil shit

>>82355290
Isn't the daedric still in the comic?

>>82355445
Kek

>>82355421
You know that a cuckold is literally a man whose wife commits adultery, right? That is what the actual word means.

>>82355434
So she seemed like she was able to escape the black hole, did she get Sollux to safety so they could go to the new universe together?

>>82355477
yeah, but for a distributed product (hiveswap), bethesda stepped in and made them change it. it's now pseudo-daedric that looks sort of alike

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>>82355409
It was twitter. I think they also had a sopor slime pie recipe up on the official website for a time.

>>82355282
I know their classpects

Are the only ones who liked the finale Rose/Kanaya fans?

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The epilogue will fix the ending right?
It will be as good as PS's epilogue right?
Hiveswap is going to be good right?
RIGHT?

>>82355387
He licensed songs because he is selling music. Homestuck is free (even though he makes money off of ads and merchandise) so he attempts to claim fair use for all of the copyrighted stuff he stole.

That argument doesn't really fly for stuff he just downloaded from Google Image Search and pasted into Homestuck with minimal modifications, though.

>>82355521
>I think they also had a sopor slime pie recipe up on the official website for a time
Those are user submitted, though.

>>82355282
I've played Meenahbound exactly once and I can tell you the names and personality of every single one of these fuckers.

But I agree. The dancestors are shit, and Andrew bit off more than he could chew.

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i guess it's time to culturally enrich this thread with the best ancestor

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>>82355595

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>>82355595
>Best dancestor
>Not Mituna
Excuse me?

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>>82355633

>>82355595
that's a weird way of spelling Dolorosa

>>82355654
he literally spelled nothing

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>>82355654
>>82355633
where is ur cultural enrichment then

>>82352101
it was perfect because constant updates, and lots of dialog
but its now the perfect example of how something great can take a turn for the worse

>>82355590

I think the problem is more that he let the friendship of the 4 kids completely vanish. We'll get the occasional reminder of it throughout the comic, and it feel slike every big flash wants to say "hey! remember that these four are the main focus" but they simply aren't inbetween those flashes. Kanaya is more the main character than John. PM matters more than Jade.

>>82355621
oh
oh no
THEY'RE HOT

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>>82352615
>Jane
>not Miscarriage tier

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>>82355654
Post Dolorosa

>>82355678
that'sthejokethx4comin

>>82355590
Isn't that kind of the point though? They were so terrible they managed to fail at Sburb, even with a couple god tiers. Like, we hear over and over about how dysfunctional they all are, I'm pretty sure Karkat was ranting about this at some point.

>>82355723
Why did their aspects change

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>>82355741

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>>82355699
Vriska is the main character of homestuck, no debate.

>>82355765
Inversion :^)

>>82355765
hope and life to void and blood

you can figure it out anon i believe in you

>>82355590
The dancestors that aren't Meenah or Aranea were shit, but only made their specific part of the story shit. They didn't really have any long term effect, they just served as fodder for the LE killing army.

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>>82355724
CHEEKBONES

>>82355723
I'd argue she had Dad in B1, but I'm pretty sure he was adopted.

>>82355800
i want to strangle whoever drew that

>>82352944
Heir-?Prince+
Knight-Seer+
Which=Page+
Splyph-/Maid+
Mage-/Bard+

>>82355797
this pictures makes me feel culturally enriched

>>82355799
Even going by that, Jane should have inverted to Doom and Jake to Rage, right?
>>82355800
I kind of get void but what does blood have to do with it

>>82355446
>Kankri. insufferable, incapable of shutting up, kind of a dick, doesn't like to be mothered

Isn't that just Karkat without everyone overrating him as a jerk with a heart of gold trope

>>82355797

I feel like the recton business with Vriska actually diminished her role. I get that she was the one to unleash the ultimate weapon on English. But... eh.. She just isn't as important in the end somehow. While everyone else was fighting in Collide, she got to fight Hussie. She fell in importance a lot somehow by being made important again.

>>82355800
but blood is positive like life and hope it's about friendship
should have changed jane to void and jake to doom

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>>82354113

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>>82355508
Honestly like on what fuckin basis do you think Sollux and Aradia survived?

NEITHER of them were even near the fuckin door to the new universe.

NEITHER of them were shown along the surviving kids and trolls in the new universe.

Aradia was in front the black hole and that's about it. All she did was look at it. That's it.

But how the fuck would she time travel them to a separate universe anyway? Unless Hussie wants to further his reputation as a hack it shouldn't be possible.

Accept it: they were both erased. No more cheap ass ways to dodge the role of being only SUPPORT CHARACTERS. They're DONE. DELETED. You already got so much more than the rest, JUST ACCEPT AND BE HAPPY FOR WHAT YOU HAD.

>>82355870
depending on the stage of abortion, anon, there can be an awful lot of blood involved.

>>82355886
That's what all the dancestors are though.

>>82355896

gut lost you bard

>>82352101
It's more of an example of the fact that if you're going to commit years and years to something, you need to know exactly what it is you want to make.

By the time we got close to the ending I didn't even like Homestuck for the story as much as I did for the experience of it all. That's kind of hypocritical of me and how much I hate modern "fandom" as a concept, but it never would've happened if he hadn't spent years and years building up to nothing more than a flashy anticlimax.

>>82355893
jake would invert to rage, jane would invert to doom. if inversion was a thing which it fucking isn't

>>82355896
I want to push her down WITH MY DICK

>>82355912
If blackholes can act like wormholes in Homestuck, then Aradia and Sollux and Lord English can survive being swallowed by a black hole.

>>82355912
I would be fine if they were deleted, but Aradia seemed to have escaped the draw of the black hole. Does she just give up and fly into it, despite intending to stay alive?

VRISKA > ARADIA
ARANEA > DAMARA
MINDFANG > HANDMAID

EAT SHIT, EQUIUS

>>82355934
why rage, that makes no sense, rage is anger which is when it's personal and you're motivated to right wrongs, the basic heroic emotion, how is that negative, it has to change from positive to negative

>>82355741
Why does she have penises for ears?

maybe boobs are bad in troll society
which is why meenah and feferi are both flat

it also explains why vriska is such a huge bitch

she has big ol honkers and has to deal with her curse

>>82355406
But it started in /v/.

>>82355150
it feels more like an aesthetic than a movement but I know practically nothing about it so I can't really say.

an and it dont stop troll/more AIDS from dirk would have been pretty cool

IT'S A FUCKING MISCARRIAGE JOKE YOU TRIPLE MORONS

>>82355934
>if inversion was a thing which it fucking isn't
So, not trying to say that inversion is a "thing", strictly speaking, but then what do you say about Rose taking on the role of a Witch of Void (or at the very least, being very active and having the void obfuscation power) and Jade acting like a Seer of Time?

>>82354819
>The right Jack died

What? Are you talking about Spades Slick or Lord Jack? They both were as bad as Noir.

>>82355987
don't make me choose between my wives

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>>82355724
>that chin

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can godtiers even have miscarriages?
don't they have perfectly healthy bodies always?
wouldn't they just have perfect deliveries every time??

>>82354584
stfu

>>82355912
You're right that time travel wouldn't directly help, being in the Furthest Ring. But, being in the Furthest Ring, things like distance and gravity don't really hold you back either.

>>82356047
Slick was the most likable Jack and was the one with the thing with Ms. Paint, then the Jack that murdered the families of the protagonists and lots of other bad shit lived and got the girl.

>>82355893
>blood
>"""friendship"""

What's next? Blood is about leadership?

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bec noir bros ww@
who here
/alpha jack/

>>82356083
God tiers only have perfectly healthy bodies if that's what they want, if Jane had a miscarriage it's probably because on some level she doesn't want a child.

Can someone explain the "breath has nothing to do with freedom" meme?

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>>82355282
Kankri: Tumblr parody that secretly felt he was superior to others.
Muelin: Deaf Nepeta
Latula: Skater "rad" 90's parody. She also apparently couldn't smell or some shit.
Mituna: hsg parody, saved the Beforus trolls from something which resulted in him turning retarded, target for Cronus' bullying.
Aranea: Long-winded mostly level-headed troll.
Meenah: Loved money and other loot, the leader of these fuckheads.
Horuss: Less sweaty Equius that loves horses way more. He fell in love with Rufioh.
Cronus:50's dressing otherkin bullshit fuckboy. Really into wizards and shit.
Kurloz: Another servant for LE. Woke up one night and honked so loud Muelin went deaf, sewed his mouth shut so that didn't happen again. Possibly turned Mituna retarded.
Damara: Overly flirty troll that threatened to suck people's dicks in japanese. Beat the absolute shit out of Meenah, was with Rufioh for a while.
Rufioh: Troll Dante Basco, loved anime, guy cheated on Horuss/Damara with Damara/Horuss.
Porrim: The less assholish feminist character. I think she may have been with Aranea for a while.

All of that was just off the top of my head, learn to fucking pay attention you retard.

>>82356044
i can buy that i guess.

>>82356083
Nigger if you're god tier and I punch you, you still got punched, you might even get bruised. God Tier just means you're high level and sometimes magic clock juice comes to rez you if you're retarded.

Which is why the hardcore gore fetishist version of Roxy and Calliope works.

>>82356044
>being very active and having the void obfuscation power
That's black magic, pretty simple.
>Seer of Time
Do you mean her literally looking at the future to decide her course of action (John's present, Skaia's clouds)? 'Cause their roles before the game were to grow up healthy and enter the game, and Jade's actions in that span of time were very important for their session to play out the way it was supposed to.

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>>82356047
>Spades Slick
>Murdered a bunch of mobster leprechauns to avenge his casinos
>Helped the trolls exile the Black Queen
>Was pretty cute with Ms Paint

>Bec Noir
>Killed off everyone on Prospit, the Battlefield, twelve planets' worth of consorts, Prospit again, Derse, John's dad, Rose's mom, AR, the White King, and an ENTIRE FUCKING UNIVERSE

You're joking, right?

>>82355966
IF! Again it's just fuckin speculation again. REMEMBER they're still supportive characters only! Hussie has a better reason to delete them alongside every other support character then to hold on to them.

And why would you add sollux to all of that he was CLEARLY not anywhere near the black hole either.

And what about the rest of their living """friends"""? Don't they deserve to come along with them? If you're reasoning is basically "tough luck" it only furthers the fact that both of them are actually gigantic assholes. And they deserve to be stoned as much as vriska.

>>82355970
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? ALL SHE DID WAS LOOK AT IT:

She is only a servant to higher powers. She showed multiple times that she is not the kind of person who would overstep her boundaries and purpose. She got what she wanted >>82355434 ,saw all the shit going down. Anything further than that is just your wet dream.

>>82356171
it's just their baby passages are literally perfect now that they're god tiers

natural miscarriages would be impossible

>>82356189
Spade Slick killed a universe too.

>>82356154

If a single person posts the same image over and over again, we can all appreciate the shit on his face from his head being up his ass.

>>82352101
Homestuck probably isn't the worst. Certainly not the best, but the worst? Nah.

Not when we have the Dresden Codak, everything Willis does, QC, CAD, Dobson, and Jack.

>>82356118
Think of blood in the terms of blood pacts and blood brothers, or blood in the familial sense. Blood is theorized to be about relationships since the only thing Karkat ever did as a Knight of Blood was to forge an alliance with Jack Noir, and to attempt to keep his friends together. Kankri, as a Seer of Blood, I guess, sees social problems?

>>82356205
Then in that case, presumably Dirk did it.

Bec Noir: Hooking up with Ms. Paint
Spades Slick: Dead (RIP)
Lord Jack: Dead
Caliborn's Jack: ???

>>82356171
it doesn't do wonders for your dignity though.

>>82356200
Hussie went out of his way to make sure that exactly one of each character from almost the entire cast was still alive, the only exceptions being Eridan and Feferi. I guarantee you, Aradia survived.

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>>82356109
>>82356189
Slick killed Snowman knowing it would end the universe. He's killed more people than the other 2 jacks combined.

At least can we agree that Problem Sleuth is a 11/10?

>>82356274
don't post that sick shit on a blue board you disgusting handholding fetishist.

>>82356255
Most likely dead, Caliboner himself said that jacks aren't to be trusted, so he either died by the black hole, or Cal got killed him by himself

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>Aradia will never bully Karkat
>just downright insulting him as a worthless piece of shit who talks down on others when he is the most worthless guy and then her and Tavros lead the trolls to victory

>>82356274
Absolutely shit.

>>82356183
Jade was very good at the whole stable time loop thing, most other Prospit players don't do nearly as much with the Skaia clouds.

I'm not saying that they were literally these roles, or that Inversion is a widespread thing, but their roles in the story before god tiering fit pretty much perfectly into the idea of a Witch of Void or a Seer of Time.

>>82356106
Yet again another grey area that NONE of us can be completely sure about.

However, we do have the FACT that we've seen NEITHER of them in the new universe. Wherever the fuck she may have teleported them , we can surely say that it wasn't the new universe.

The old universe always gets deleted right? Withouth a trace right? So that's what happened to them.

>>82356288
as they would say in table stickball "hole in check, ace, atheists"

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>>82356323
>Aradia will never sexually bully Karkat

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What's with the whole "God Tier improves your body/mind/whatever" bullshit? It's completely fanon. God Tier means flight, conditional resurrection, cool powers and colorful pajamas. That's it. If memory serves me right we don't even know if they let you stop aging.

>>82356212
Fair enough, but he's got an excuse since Doc Scratch would have killed him if he refused. Bec Noir did it for fun.

>>82356288
>1 universe (forced) == 1 universe (voluntary) plus a hundred additional voluntary murders
Anon...

>>82356330
>The old universe always gets deleted right? Withouth a trace right?
No. Not at all. Have you even read Homestuck?

>>82356342
Gross.

>>82356360
>God Tier improves your body/mind/whatever" bullshit? It's completely fanon
uh

>>82356346
You mean forcing him to watch her and Equius fucking each other hard, right?

>>82356288
Bec Noir also killed a universe, though, and he dipped into the troll session to kill a bunch of shit there.

>>82356330
The old universe was dying, because Bec stabbed it to death with the Red Miles.

>>82356225
That's stupid, you should be thinking about blood in terms of wounds, scars, bloodshed, bloodbaths, stuff like that. It's a warrior spirit aspect for players who always want to confront problems head-on and force people into submission, or players who are so morally rigid they want people to be punished with death for their sins.

>>82356401
equius can't fuck anyone he'll tear them in half.

>>82356360
Hussie confirmed that god tier stops aging after a certain point but he didn't elaborate beyond that. It probably depends on what age you envision your "ideal self" to be

>>82356200
>HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? ALL SHE DID WAS LOOK AT IT:
You can see her get pulled toward the black hole a little bit, but she just flies back a little bit and has no trouble maintaining her position. I don't even care that much about Aradia, it just seemed to me that she was watching from a relatively safe distance.
>why would you add sollux to all of that
Sollux was with Aradia in Collide, though we don't see him in Act 7.

>>82356401
She doesn't like Equius.

>>82356171
>Which is why the hardcore gore fetishist version of Roxy and Calliope works.
My friend

I actually started writing/drawing shit for it for the adorable Calliope panic alone