And people just assumed that Marvel wouldn't destroy Star

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Let's be all inclusive! Even if the shit never makes sense

okay...but consider this...thats pretty badass.
Im sure with context and all that bs itll make me dislike this page so...care to explain why its "sickening"

>>81673016
Thank god I'm not a Star Wars "fan" cause this shit doesn't bother me for a second.

>>81673128
shit ment to reply to >>81673016

>>81673016
>>81673044
>>81673091
I like how you're shitting on all of this when the EU had much, much worse garbage.

>>81673044
>The Force is meaningless
>Tips officer's cap

The EU had a lot of shit, but also a lot of good.

This new EU is in it's infancy, yeah, there's a been a lot of mistakes and missteps, but there's some solid stuff in there. Give it time.

>>81673128
The context is that an EMP made blasters useless so they grabbed a bunch of lightsabers from a hutt who collects jedi artifacts. I thought it was a cool scene, though it does feel like pretty blatant fanservice.

>>81673016
Are you on of those retards hot think you need the fore to hit a button

>>81673340
Vaders and Landos comics have been really good.

>>81673170
It doesn't bother any Star Wars fan. OP is a fucktard.

Oh please.

Any idiot can turn on a lightsaber.

>>81673439
Furthermore, with these lightsabers, they're the only ones with functioning weapons, so the scene doesn't even require them to be skilled.

>>81673499
Exactly, that Kanan comic was brilliant too.

>>81673475
Only certain models if the Jedi in question configured it to work that way.

>>81673091
Nothing particularly bad about that one.
Except for this goddamn shit.
Presenting dialogue like a chain of one liners.
In the same panel.
It's pointless and annoying.

>>81673187
Didn't say EU was like sacred or some dumb shit. But if this is the new direction, then fuck me I'll stick to movie canon.

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>>81673091

You know every thing else aside? I don't have any trouble buying that Han Solo could get Vegas wedding'd to some fine ass honey.

I don't. That's totally in character

>>81673475
Mother fucker. Slow down. Wipe the Cheetos shit off your hands. And type like you have a fucking brain. It's cringy. Down to the "I'd rather have a good blaster".

the worse thing is still vader battling luke before ESB

gillen can kill himself

>>81673439
I sooo wish that Muscle Hutt was in the of trilogy.

>>81673091

>Doing this with a character you know it wouldn't have any importance with

Shoulda given Wedge some of that chocolate

>>81673714
>I'll stick to movie canon
You mean like everyone who isn't a huge nerd has always done?

>>81673811
Yup. Forgot that one. They shouldn't have a face to face until Empire.

>>81673861
100% agree. Hell they don't even have anything for Wedge in the new canon.

>>81673811
>>81674115
Didn't they fight in Splinter of the Mind's Eye as well? I kind of agree with you, but that problem definitely isn't exclusive to the new EU.

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>>81673016
>non force users (aside form leia) are able to properly wield lightsabers with relative ease

It pissed me off in TFA and it pisses me off here. It's hard to even justify leia using a lightsaber because despite having a connection to the force she hadn't gone under any training before this. As far as I'm concerned han, chewie, and even leia should have all lost some limbs trying to pull stupid shit like this.

I never understood peoples anger with these comics. There are like 4 or 5 good stories in the old EU and half of them are 8 or so page long shorts from Star Wars tales. It's not like you lost anything worthwhile. Just went from one flavor of shit to another.

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>>81673016
>>81673044
>>81673091
>normies think this is cool

>>81674216

why do you need the force to use a lightsaber?

>>81674216
I forget, what was the EU autism that justified non-force users not being able to wield lightsabers? Force crystals or some shit?

It's a fucking laser sword. I understand needing to be one with the force to deflect lasers with it, but you don't need to be force sesnsitive to swing a laser sword in front of you.

>>81674317

because it's weightless, deadly and unwieldy, and without jedi or sith precog, or at least some training, it's supposed to be a bitch to use.

>>81674347
Exactly.

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Only autistic nerds (like /swr/) care about a bunch of shitty book and novel tie-ins.

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>>81674385

That doesn't seem like it would require precognition or telekinesis. It's a sword not fucking Funnels. You're not gonna be Miyamoto Musashi out the gate but you're not gonna slice your head off on accident unless you're flailing it around like a loon.

>>81674486
*books and comic tie-ins

>>81673016
I thought this was cool.

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>>81674385
Couldn't have answered it better myself.

>>81674347
It's just as someone else already explained in this thread anon, the force is what allows jedi to wield a weightless blade that can lop off limbs with less effort than it takes for someone to rip up paper. Even with the EU not being canon non-force users using a lightsaber is fucking retarted.

>>81674486
>now if you'll excuse me, I'll be enjoying my mature and adult cartoons and picture books

>>81674593

you're an idiot.

>>81674608
Remember the time Finn used a lightsaber and didn't cut any of his bits off?

>>81674507

If the blade is weightless and carries no momentum, you'd be surprised at how difficult to handle.

It's super easy to injure yourself with any real sword if you haven't trained and don't use it how it should be used.

>>81674651
Why?

>>81673016
I like how Leia s shown as trained, Han might as well be using a baseball bat and looks pretty close to losing an arm, and Chewie of all people is all Ni-ten Fuck-you Wookie Kenjutsu.

>>81674216
can you pick up a stick and swing it around without managing to hit yourself? congrats you can use a lightsabre, the only thing special about jedi is they could block lasers because the force

>>81674385
yes, so you can still use it and swing it. But you can't swing it masterfully like those with the force. So you can still use it?

>>81674632
I prefer my entertainment to have some semblance of originality and not just be fanservice.

>>81674696
And according to >>81673439
nobody has working lasers, so it's not like they're doing that.

>>81674696

The blade has no weight and thus, no momentum, moron. It's not like swinging a stick.

>>81674347
Don't quote me on this, but I suspect it originated in the WEG RPG as a means to keep non-Jedi characters away form lightsabers.

>>81674608
Weren't lightsabers originally super heavy? Are you sure you're not just an autist who can't accept that there's no reason a person can't take a laser sword and swing it around and not die immediately like an idiot? Shit Han Solo used it to cut open a tauntaun.

>>81674676

because it's just shallow repetition of popular iconography with no real narrative merit

>>81674507
I can see where your coming from anon, but imagine yourself trying actually wield a lightsaber in a fight or a duel. Now as a non force user you have to focus on not getting yourself killed on account of hurting yourself and your opponent's attacking you.

>>81674726

Nothing you like is original, it's all based off of constructs that have existed since people first started telling stories. It's almost as though originality is a dumb measurement of quality.

>>81674735
yea so you just swing it yourself? i dont get how it not having momentum would affect it, please explain someone so i may learn why this is dumb

>>81674735
Why are lightsabers weightless at all now? They're not literally made of light.

>>81674726
How much of the EU have you read?

None, right? Because it's all for autistic nerds? And you're so much better than them?

Aaron's Star Wars is just pandering and fan service, I won't lie. But the other comics have actually been pretty good (Darth Vader, Shattered Empire), some even great (Kanan, Lando). I can't speak for the novels though, I haven't most of them.

>>81674794

No, they're made of Plasma, which has no mass, thus, no weight.

>>81674780
There's a difference between deriving from the forms and literally writing fanfiction.

>>81674837
I tried back when TFA was coming out, and it was all awful schlock. It made me want to read actual good. original sci-fi.

>>81674837

why is Lando considered so great?
Like it was a solid book, and yea Maleev is a great artist, but it didn't really strike me as like the best of the new books.

>>81673091
Oh look, its white people angry because star wars used a black...the outrage.

>>81674755
Careful with those big words Anon, you might hurt yourself.

>shallow repetition
Repetition of what? People using lightsabers? It's Star Wars. They have lightsabers.

>no real narrative merit
That's an opinion.

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>>81673016

why does everyone hold lightsabers like a damn baseball bat?

>>81674735
Hilt will have some angular momentum. It's like me preferring a good heavy kitchen knife like a Sabatier over some light ceramic thing. I'd be pretty awkward with a lightsaber, the guy doing fancy work with a Global or whatever would be fine.

>>81673016
this is on millionth the level of stupid as 99 percent of the dumb fucking shit from EU

>>81674887
TFA isn't EU, it's Star Wars. The MAIN Star Wars.

EU is the comics, cartoons, books and (some) video games.

>>81674790

>In-universe, a lightsaber is basically a controlled, fixed-length plasma stream that can be used as a sword. As such, the blade wouldn't have any mass (or infinitesimal mass if you want to get technical about E=mc2).

Anyone familiar with fencing or swordplay knows that the weight of the handle and blade, and thus the overall balance of the weapon, is critically important while fighting. A sword that is too blade-heavy is unwieldy; it is difficult to start, stop, and change the path of the blade as it's swung, which is vital to outmaneuvering your opponent in a duel. Conversely, a sword with too light a blade (equivalently, too heavy a hilt) is too easy to swing around. it's hard to "feel" where the blade is, and thus to make the minute changes needed to block a blow or land one. It can also be just as exhausting, in a different way, to wield such a sword; because most of the mass is behind your hand, it takes muscle power to point the blade forward instead of upward, while a balanced weapon would point directly forward from the user's hands. You also get no mechanical advantage while swinging it.

Obviously, out-of-universe the props were full "swords" that were then rotoscoped to paint the beam blade over the white wooden (later plastic) dowel that protruded from the saber. This gives the actual prop used by the actors a more realistic weight and balance, which can be seen in the duels (Darth Maul has to heave a bit to get that double-saber staff moving, and you can see the effort behind a full baseball swing of the sword by Luke or Vader in the original trilogy).

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/8850/lightsaber-blade-weight-in-universe

>>81674899
>Repetition of what? People using lightsabers? It's Star Wars. They have lightsabers.


LUKE had a light saber. The Jedi order had a lightsaber. Those three guys up top? never had a light saber.

>>no real narrative merit
>That's an opinion.

Uh, yeah. That's why I said it. Pointing out that doesn't actually defend this.

>>81674887
The difference is getting paid?

No, that would have some weird implications, consider Saxton for example.

>>81674900

because people assume thats how one would hold a sword as well based on shitty movies and such.
so if an artist was looking for reference for a scene, they would consistently find images of people holding swords like that.

the same way that every lightsaber wielder has been depicted holding the blade since its inception.

If you can swing a flashlight around and not hit yourself with light couldn't you do the same with a lightsaber?

>>81674893
It expands on Lando as a character, it shows us why he chose to leave his life of smuggling and adventure behind.

>>81674887
>It made me want to read actual good. original sci-fi.
Well theres your problem right there. Star wars isn't sci-fi. Its just fantasy in space.

>>81674936
I said I tried reading those when TFA was coming out you idiot.

>>81674977
No. If you came up with an idea that has some resemblance to a classical story or was inspired by something else, that's original. If you're writing for somebody elses universe it's fanfiction.

>>81674940
cool, thanks. so they just got lucky like they did repeatedly thruoughout the OT which is why no one was maimed. makes sense and checks out to me.

>>81674999

so its good just because Lando was such a blank slate, character-wise.
ok that makes sense I can understand how people who liked the character might have enjoyed it more than I did then..

>>81674956
>Those three guys up top? never had a light saber
You're right. Why is it so terrible to let them use lightsabers? That doesn't turn them into Jedi, and you don't have to be a Jedi to use one.

>>81675023
You know what I mean.

>>81675050
No cos in eu its stated any non jedi who holds lightsaber cant use one cos theyd just hurt themself.....I can't believe they ruined everything. This probably doesn't even have yuzan vong using magic snake spears for fighting.

>>81675041
I'd tend to agree with that definition, but disagree that fan fiction as defined is necessarily bad. I like Stross' Laundry books for example, and those can be called Lovecraft fanfic.

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>>81674900
The better question is how have they not all lost their necks holding in holding lightsabers like baseball bats?

>>81674671
I died.

>>81674940
God bless you anon, maybe we can lay this shit to rest now.

>>81675146
(Though not having to go through an editor means a lot of the shitfilter on traditionally published works is disabled, so Sturgeon's law is out in force)

>>81674608
>>81674385
>>81674671
Who said lightsabers are weightless? If we have to go by the OT's canon only, i don't think there's any indication of such.
On the contrary, since the butter-cutter extravaganza still wasn't a thing many times we see the sabers hitting objects that weren't other sabers without cutting through them as if they were solid, in the final fight with Vader Luke swings as if it had weight

>>81675175
oh shit, I meant to reply to an earlier comment in the thread over finn's use of a lightsaber in TFA when I said "I died"

>>81674667
He didn't have to, the other guy with a lightsaber cut Finn's bits off.

>>81674748
Not even. WEG specifically states that anybody can own or wield one but GMs are advised not to let their non-Jedi players have them just because they want them. They provide some rules for rarity and such to make them more difficult to find.

Of course Jedi are more effective with them but the base damage and difficulty is the same for all players. WEG was really consistent with this stuff for the most part.

>>81675222

Because he pros the actors use have weight.

>>81675222
>>81675272

meant "props"

>>81675272
But the actor was told to swing that way, to raise his arms and strike down on Vader so hard, wasn't he? But still, if we want to ignore the potential proofs that they aren't weightless, where's the indication that they are?

>>81674900
Because the nuances of holding a samurai-style blade (katana, wakizashi, nodachi, etc etc) are lost on the layman. They assume it's a baseball-bat grip when it's not, even the primary gripping finger is different as are the positions of the hands on the grip.

>>81673016
The new comics are all mostly shit (Kanan's was pretty good) but the old EU/Dark Horse comics had a lot of duds, too. Force-cancelling iguanas, Dark Empire, Cade Skywalker and Legacy in general. Sure there were good stuff like Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison, but a lot of it was just as mediocre or bad as the new stuff. This new stuff is stunted pretty hard by being shoehorned interquels, though.

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>Not posting fishsticks over here

>>81674763


If Im in that situation at all Id be just as fucked if we where fighting with normal swords because the other guy is professional sword fighter

>>81675238
No, I meant the time he fought the "TRAITOR!" guy.

>>81675340
see >>81674884

For those of us who haven't read this issue, HOW do they fight with the sabers? Are they only winning because their enemies are literally unarmed, in which case they could still wim despite having no idea what they're doing, or are they suddenly fighting like Masters?

>>81675376
>that big dumb fish head

He'd look so much cooler in a big bulky suit. As it is he looks like someone glued an oyster to a headless transformers toy.

>>81675591

According to >>81673439 and >>81673562
there was an EMP blast that fried everyone's blasters, so yeah they're the only ones with weapons there

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>>81673016
Is this better or worse than when the EU had Boba Fett almost defeat Vader with a lightsaber or when they had that Jedi droid?

>>81673044
I don't get the rage here, by the time the Empire was established and the Jedi went extinct no one really gave a crap about the force.

Hell in the first movie when Vader is in that meeting with Tarkin and the other Admirals one of them shits on the force which prompts the whole "I find your lack of faith diturbing" scene

>>81673091

desu i would fuck the shit out of that girl senpai

>>81675541
But it's science fiction
Hell, not even the kind of science fiction that tries to be "realistic"

>>81675778
>Jedi droid
The Jedi droid was from a what if comic. Half the shit that people say was dumb in the EU were from what if comics or things that weren't even canon in the EU.

>>81675376
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Is this Marvel as well?

>>81675623
Yeah, I blame Larocca for that shit. It could have had an interesting design if he didn't just trace ackbar's head onto Greivous's body.

>>81676002
Yeah. It's from the new Darth Vader series.

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Star Wars comics were already ruined. I present to you Darth Vader, poised to deliver the final blow upon Luke shortly after New Hope. He is defeated by... tripping over his own hand and falling down a pit.

>>81676479
that last panel. wow is that an edit or did it come out before revenge of the sith?
because if its a coincidence thats great

>>81676081
"Hey Larocca you got a minute?"
"Sure Kieron what's up?"
"Trying to think of a cool cyborg Jedi that Vader can fight in the new series we are doing. Any ideas?"
"I was just thinking maybe we can bring back that robot guy from Revenge. You know those prequels were so revolutionary when it comes to design and shit."
"Well Sal you know Disney really wants us to use more classic stuff. Always pandering to those old fucks. Am I right?
"I know. God I hate those old ass movies. But you know what. What if we made a general grievous with that fish guys head. You know that it's a trap meme guy?"
"Larocca you always had the best ideas"
Both laugh until climax

>>81676479
Like I stated before. EU has shitty stories too. But the point is to do the saga justice with this new canon. So far we have black solo, force trees, and a CIS battle droid called Mr Bones.

>>81676607
Not an edit. Published 1996.

>>81674898
Top kek. I'm not even white but I know pandering when I see it.

>>81674900

They're not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassō-no-kamae

>>81677156
we looking at the same thing anon?

>>81676767
Lets say you have a character. unknown in a vast and ever changing universe.
You can make this character one of any number of races. What race do you pick and why and in what cases would it not be pandering?

>>81677423
Why not twi lek? Haha got you there fucker

>>81674884
The blade is made of plasma. The rest actually has weight.

>>81673340
Like 90% of the Force Awakens has been shit. The only thing I liked about that movie was Finn.

>>81675376
>General Grievous but with the head of Admiral Ackbar
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

>>81678565
>it's another contrarian on 4chan

>>81678750
Are you saying 4chan liked the prequels? The Force Awakens was Abrams doing his bullshit and making a New Hope rehash.

>>81673667
Heh

>>81675751
lol

>>81673091
>he doesn't remember Xaverri

>>81676479
>Star Wars comics were already ruined. I present to you Darth Vader, poised to deliver the final blow upon Luke shortly after New Hope. He is defeated by... tripping over his own hand and falling down a pit.

Does Leia duel him to a standstill in the comic version of that story too?

Because she did pretty well in the novel version.

>>81674216
Why would they lose limbs if they aren't attempting any jedi forms or attacks. they're swinging the lightsabers like they were chainsaws made of air. Not like a swordsman

>>81678565
Force Awakens isn't really Expanded Universe.
It's kind of Main if anything, but I catch your drift, it expands the star wars universe but that isn't what is meant by EU.

Just ignore Force Awakens, it's only point was to gt the story to a place where Lawrence Kasdan wanted to take it back in Return of the Jedi but Lucas didn't like it.
Kasdan wanted the story to end with a dead Han Solo and a lonely/tired Luke.
The man basically used Episode 7 to fulfill his goal.

8 and 9 will hopefully be original stories since the fucker is gone I hope.

>>81674929
EU really did do some stupid shit.

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I have seen nothing in new Canon that is worse than what the EU had

Fucking biotech, pain driven, galaxy conquering force-nulls

>>81681942
That stuff by itself is fine but most of the main characters like Rey, Kylo Ren, and whatever the fuck Snoke is supposed to be really don't inspire enthusiasm for the sequels.

You can't destroy Star Wars because only the original trilogy matters.
You don't call your favorite show "destroyed" when you read a bad fanfic dedicated to it.

>>81683856
>killed the ithorian's homeworld

fuck that noise

>>81673562

That page is pure fan wank, but the thought of Solo blindly swinging while hoofing it for his life is kinda funny.