>"I feel like he’s right. But I feel like Batman and

What a pleb.

>In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math.

Yeah, and in those movies, it was THE FUCKING VILLAINS that destroyed those planets, not THE FUCKING HEROES.

God, Snyder is a fucking idiot. Who the fuck let someone who hates heroism (and Superman in particular) make this movie?

Between this and the Star Wars comment and the "hurr why is there a Thor movie being made" I'm starting to think this guy is a completely idiot

How can one man be so based?

>>81050688
>"Really, Thor? Thor, has a movie? Like, really. I mean, come on - and there is no Superman movie? The world's out of balance. It's like we've lost our minds here, people. Come on."

IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR

COME ON, PEOPLE

>>81050765
And who kills people on MoS?
Certainly not Clark.

>>81050688
>monkey paw
Doesn't apply at all there you retard, there's no wish involved

>>81050688
>YOU SHOULDN'T BE ASKING ME WHY MY SUPERMAN MOVIE IS SHIT, YOU SHOULD BE ASKING WHY THOR EXISTS

>THE FACT THAT I MADE SUPERMAN AND NOT THOR MEANS MY MOVIE IS AUTOMATICALLY BETTER

>I MEAN COME ON IT'S 2016

>>81050765
It was the villains who destroyed metropolis in MoS too.

>>81050776
How is the Star Wars comment not valid?
>hurr there's so much destruction in MoS so it's shit
>No one bats an eye at the death of 5 planets

>>81050776
>idiot savant

>>81050830

Superman still has to bear some blame for Metropolis - not to mention the annihilation of Smallville.

>>81050848
Are you insane? How is it an equivalent? Did Finn and Rey pull the trigger? Did their lightsaber battle with Ren become so big it involved the deaths of those planets? They blew up because it is a BAD thing that the VILLAINS did to indicate that they were evil fuckers.

>>81050855
> sees Zod on a secluded farm
> spergs out and fly/tackles him to Smallville
> destroys Smallville

>>81050848

>How is the Star Wars comment not valid?

Part of it has to do with the scale of destruction - an entire city vs an entire planet - but it has more to do with the fact that some of the destruction in MoS wasn't inevitable (see: Smallville, Metropolis during the Superman/Zod fight) and didn't fit in thematically with the "ideal" image of Superman.

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>>81050688
>flavour of the week

>>81050855
>annihilation
Exaggerating a bit don't you think?

So salty.

>>81050907
>critics
Critics didn't like John Carpenter's the thong when it came out too. These people's opinions don't matter.

>>81050688
And this guy start to make a legend like Supes and Bat the next Blank man with BvS.

Fuck this guy.

>>81050894
He was simply referencing the destruction porn. All movies have it.

>>81050914

Not really. A good chunk of Smallville was destroyed by the fight between Superman and Zod's soldiers. God knows how many people died thanks to all the ricocheting bullets and property damage and explosions. A little hyperbolic, sure, but "annihilation" isn't exactly a stretch.

>>81050688
>My movie has to be better because the characters in it are more famous

How can this man get work?

>>81050688

He's right in that Supes deserves an epic film.

He's just not the person capable of doing so.

>>81050941
The military probably killed more people in smallville than the kryptonians

>>81050938

Yes, and in many cases, the destruction is important to the narrative or the theme of the film. The destruction in MoS's two major battles wasn't important to the narrative and they generally didn't lend any weight to the film's overarching themes.

>>81050938
Planet blowing up is more abstract than literal 9/11 destructoporn imagery.

No one has experienced cooky shit like earth getting exploded, but there are a quite a few still traumatized over 9/11.

>>81050824
He clearly wishes for his movies to be the critically acclaimed, deep masterpiece top dog.

>>81050934
John Carpenter's The Thing didn't try to sell itself as high art

>>81050967

And the military wouldn't have been in Smallville if Superman hadn't dragged Zod into town.

>>81050889
>> sees Zod on a secluded farm
>> spergs out and fly/tackles him to Smallville
By accident, he was looking down at Zod's face the entire flight.
>> destroys Smallville
The Military destroys more of the town then the Kryptonians did.

>>81050914
If Smallville is as small as it was portrayed to be, and sustained that level of damage, yeah, the town is done. It would become a ghost town because it wouldn't be worth it to repare the damages and people would just move.

>>81050894
So basically you're a retarded tripfag?

>>81050980
Honestly neither did BvS.

>>81050980
>John Carpenter's The Thing didn't try to sell itself as high art
But it IS art, its the greatest horror movie ever fucking made.

>>81050934
In all honesty nobody wanted to see Carpenter in a thong but what are you gonna do

>>81051000

That's beside the point.

>>81051008
Oh, yes, it did.

Snyder and Terrio couldn't stop jerking themselves off how "deep", "thematic", "mythological" and "socially relevant" it was.

>>81050975
So we're going to not have buildings blow up because it'll trigger people? Tell that to every movie

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>>81050934
I wouldn't want to see John Capenter's Thong either.

>>81050688
>shitting on Based ANTS
Thats when it all started to go to shit for our friend Zack

>>81050980
Point still stands.

>>81051008
>Honestly neither did BvS.
You're fucking joking m8

>>81050998
>implying Superman didn't rebulid his hometown
Faggot.

>>81050992
> by accident
Superman was like 30 something years old. The fact that he didn't explore his powers is beyond retarded.

How the fuck can people defend MoS?

>>81051064
With his newspaper reporter salary?

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>>81050765
>Who the fuck let someone who hates heroism (and Superman in particular)
Yes... the guy that had Clark...
>Give himself up to save humanity knowing he would be handed over to being that could not be trusted.
>Flew to take out the world engine even knowing he would be weaker around it.
>Almost dying in the process of taking it out and saving 7-8 BILLION lives.
>Choosing to take out the only chance to resurrect his species for the sake of humanity.
>Killing Zod to save 7-8 BILLION lives AGAIN if Zod was serious about killing them all one by one.
TOTALLY hates heroism and Superman just because he portrays him as a realistic flawed person who made mistakes in the process of doing great things during his very FIRST day of being a public hero... Totally.

>>81051104
>IT WUS HIS FURST DAY

So it begins...

>>81051104
>just because he portrays him as a realistic flawed person
Oh this fucking excuse again

>>81050941
Yes and Clark tried to take the fight out of town twice, he grabbed Faora and leaped hard and Non tackled him down and later he punched Non into the empty train yard which is not ideal but still better then continuing to fight in main street.

>>81051021
>this superhero movie isn't brainless
>how pretentious
This strain of anti-intellectualism is killing america.

>>81050972
Themes don't make a film incredible to witness and behold.

>>81051092
To be fair he can turn coal into diamonds. Money isn't really an issue.

>>81051047
No it fucking doesn't.
Comparing BvS (made by the retards that made MoS, that have gone to interviews defending a movie they themselves don't seem to understand) to The Thing (one of the greatest horror movies of all time) is an insult to both John Carpenter's masterpiece and most of the critics at the time which later retracted their stand on it because they recognized an error made during an era where everyone was burned out on horror and horrific things due to nuclear woe.

>>81051156
What your excuse for not paying attention to the movie?

>>81050988
>And the military wouldn't have been in Smallville if Superman hadn't dragged Zod into town.
Which again he did by accident, he was not looking were he was going while he was flying with Zod.
He had to get them away from Martha. Period.
There is no fucking way he could possible fight 3 Kryptonians with his mother standing right by them. If he grabbed her instead and tried to take her elsewhere too fast he would break her bones from the velocity, so he had to move THEM.

>>81051192
The point still stands that critics can't recognize a good movie if it bit them in the face.

>>81051181
Completely devaluing them in the process. Diamonds are costly because their price is being artifficialy kept high by low mining.

>>81051021
>"thematic", "mythological" and "socially relevant"
None of these things equal being high art it just makes it more powerful then dreck that tries to be nothing at fucking all.

>>81051104
Let's just ignore the decade he spent as a hobo, traveling town to town, destroying random people's trucks.

>>81051021
>having themes is now high art
Thanks Michael Bay

>>81051243
Well it's not like there are a bunch of supermen running around making diamonds.

>>81051071
>Superman was like 30 something years old. The fact that he didn't explore his powers is beyond retarded.
No its fucking not, he was taught to repress them for the safety of everyone around him and beyond.
And even if he had tested his powers, he was still in a blind rage during the flight.

>>81051240
And yet, The Thing has an 80% fresh rating on RT (and not higher because many retracted reviews haven't been replaced with newer ones) while BvS deserves every drop in rating it gets.

>>81051279
>saving people's lives
FTFY

>>81051156
>Oh this fucking excuse again
Its not a excuse, its a fact of the film. Superman not being a mary sue IS NOT A FLAW WITH THE FUCKING MOVIE!

>>81051316
So you've seen the movie?

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>>81051169
No, conflating Zack Snyder films with intellectualism is killing America.

>>81051192
Yeah it does. There has been a lot of cases where critics were completely wrong.

>>81051349
Yes. It sucks. I even liked Green Lantern more.

>>81051363
>implying Zack Synder isn't a true auteur

>>81051311
>he was taught to repress them for the safety of everyone around him and beyond.
And that's why it's not a Superman movie.

>>81051413
Because Clark cares more about people than seeing what neat tricks he can do?

>>81051382
But they are right on BvS and most of them are right on The Thing. Point is, there are more cases where critics were right, just go to any random movie on RT, in all but few cases audience and critic opinion aligns.

>>81051279
>Let's just ignore the decade he spent as a hobo, traveling town to town
People alienated from the rest of the world tend to do stuff like that. That doesn't diminish his heroism once he finds his legacy and chooses to take the path of the savior.
Along with the fact that he saved a good number of people in secret during his travels.
>destroying random people's trucks.
1 Persons who will probably get it replaced by the Trucking company or the Insurance company.

>>81050688
>"Really, Thor? Thor, has a movie? Like, really. I mean, come on - and there is no Superman movie?
CURRENT YEAR

Jesus, this guy sounds like a tool.

I liked MoS
But it looks like BvS is just a bad movie

>>81051413
No its not YOUR EXACT FUCKING VISION OF SUPERMAN, that does make it a invalid alternative version of the character, fuck the hell off.

>>81051432
>they are right on BvS
Says who? Why should I count their opinions with more weight?

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>Throwing shade at Star Wars:The Force Awakens

He should learn not to insult his superiors, considering that movie has a critical rating almost 3 times greater than his and will end having made double in box office gross and 10 times as much in licensing and merch sales. Most stores STILL have a larger section for Star Wars then B v S.

>>81051430
> seeing what neat tricks he can do?
Yeah fuck learning to to fly. My dad killed himself to teach me not use my powers.

>>81051243
>make a diamond
>prices for diamond now ruined forever because you just made one

>>81051484
Because I'm assuming you're not David S. Goyer or Zack Snyder.

>>81051559
>>81051243
>Superman just destroyed the blood diamond trade
The child salves that work in the mines thank you superman.

>>81050818
>punches zod through skyscrapers
>clark doesn't kill anyone

>>81051523
>Most stores STILL have a larger section for Star Wars then B v S.

That's not saying much when the DC movie tie in toys are shelf warmers.

>>81051441
And it shows a lack of self understanding. The Thor movies were gambles. Making popular movies and shows out of less known heroes is impressive. It takes forethought and real effort. Movies like the original Avengers Iron Man or even the old Blade movies. Or ehck even DCs own tv shows like arrow. But just throwing Superman and Batman in a bucket? That's the easiest major directorial job in the world.You could fuck up royally, which apparently he did and they'll still make a profit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc

L O L
O
L

>>81051637
>punches zod through skyscrapers
This doesn't happen.

>>81051667
Exactly! Star Wars related stuff sold so well that it pushed Disney to their greatest quarter profit ever! Hasbro has a whole new line of Force Awakens toys set to go out because the first ones sold so well. They'll be there until Episode 8 starts getting promoted. B v S stuff will be in clearance by mid summer and gone from stores entirely by Fall.

>>81051637
He did not do so ONE SINGLE TIME.
Closest he came was dragging Zod's face thru one set of windows/wall as a spontaneous reaction to Zod punching him into the building opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WYgu6Xa-_U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWyTY6T_h90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMKsuA4Bi-c

Just watched Man (of) Slaughter yesterday.

I'm not really quite sure why Supes was a little beta bitch who was afraid to reveal his powers.

I mean there was a time where he was Superboy, you know, a boy who saves the day with his powers.

Also why couldn't he fight Zod somewhere else besides the middle of the city? Just fly somewhere else where nobody will get hurt dummy.

Secondly I think Lois Lane knows Clark's secret identity, which ruins it for me.

Zack doesn't like Superman.
All he really wants to do is make Batman films.
So he made a Batman film with Superman.
And now he made Batman v. Batman.

There's a fundamental disconnect here.
All he wants Superman to be is another brooding asshole.
Don't get me wrong. It's okay to make a dark Superman story, there's a large plethora of things you can do with him... as long as he's Superman.
His Superman barely stands for anything. Fuck, does he even smile once in BvS? Was the only instruction given to Cavill: "Act like a goddamn robot!"

Seriously, if they don't take Snyder off of JLA, we'll get Batman and the Batman league.

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>>81051470
>that does make it a invalid alternative version of the character

>>81051738
>I'm not really quite sure why Supes was a little beta bitch who was afraid to reveal his powers.
Pa Kent implied vast and society damaging backlash if aliens existing is revealed.
Along with the fact that a good amount of humanity would shun and not accept him or his help.


>Also why couldn't he fight Zod somewhere else besides the middle of the city? Just fly somewhere else where nobody will get hurt dummy.
See videos here.
In the first one, Zod states he intends to kill them all one by one just to spite Clark so if Clark up and leaves Zod ain't gonna fallow like a DBZ villain, he is gonna start slaughtering civilians directly.
In the 3rd when he lets loose with the full power punches high above the city he takes Zod to the edge of down town before the general swerved back in.

>>81051738
I think the personality works, but could have used better atmosphere

Incluing better camera angles

For the fight scene, Zod will figure it out much earlier just fly back and actively commit genocide

>>81051850
Also all those horror stories of "doing good only results in other bad things" likely didn't help.

>>81050688
He's talking shit without realizing he never actually made a single decent movie, which is hilarious yet sad at the same time

>>81051798
Nothing not a single thing besides the healing factor is intact about Wade's final form in Origins.

Superman is perfectly fucking intact in mos, him not grinning constantly and understanding that the world is not a nice place instead of being a naive idiot doesn't make him un Superman-ish, it makes him one that is worldly and fucking intelligent.

>>81051156
>Legit good point
>Oh this fucking excuse again
what?

>>81050688
He's right in praising the characters; they really are that iconic and transcendent. As someone who loved (and still loves) MoS, it's too bad BvS basically puts on display that he's completely incapable of making a movie.
It's so indefensible. I used to say that Zack was a great visual director, but it's obvious now that while he does still make good looking visuals, the pacing and editing problems in his movies are brought in with his own hands.
I just really hope this cast still stays even if Snyder leaves. Affleck and Cavill did great in this movie.

>>81051886
That was the entire point, to tell Clark the true nature of the world instead of selling him bright fantasy tales of hope that mostly doesn't exist.

He has good intentions, just not the talent to fulfill his ambitions, and he gets those characters far less than he thinks he does.

>>81051782
I hate supesfags like this. The guy who thinks Suoerman should be some two dimensional secular christ, the suoerman who might as well not even be human because he's so pure and good. You're not helping the character by keeping him in a box.

>>81051972
And so we end up with a neurotic unsure Superman who stands for nothing. Great job.

>>81051915
So basically you're saying you don't like Supeman but you liked MoS. Snyder needs a lot more people like you.

>>81051956
Affleck WANTS to be Batman.

And he'll probably fight the studio and Snyder not only to stay on board but also to make a better product.

There's this rumor going around that he basically took over production in BvS when it came to the Batman-centric scenes. And those are the only ones most critics actually have positive words for.

People kept bitching about Batffleck. But they got it the wrong way around. As Martin Thomas said in his review: "He's the one who's too good for this."

>>81052038
I love Superman and I love MoS. Not caught up with the conversation, but just here to let you know people like me definitely exist.

>>81051025
you can have them blow up just not go overboard with the straight up 9/11 massive dust cloud imagery.

I bet I will have lots of fun seeing Superman, Batman and WW together. enjoy it: it will be the last time you see them together for the first time on the big screen.
The audience score is high

>>81052013
He stands for humanity.

>>81052070
I hope so. It's gonna be crushing if Cavill's Supes gets abandoned before he really matures into a full fledged Superman, or Borglife doesn't get his chance.
WB needs to push out Snyder now. Miller and Del Toro would be my number one picks for replacements

>>81052038
I like both.

>>81052070
For most of the Batman stuff it still sounds cringing since he doesn't have someone to bring him back from the abyss.

>>81052084
>>81052157
Kudos. I really really wanted to like MoS, and I will say MoS made appreciate the traditional "naive" Supes more.

Cavill was a poor choice. He may look the part, but he's so boring. His ability to emote is extremely low. He was shit in the Man from UNCLE too, so I know it's not just the part.

>>81051993
As opposed to making him a one dimensional, cold fish?

Have you seen BvS?
He doesn't have emotions in that movie.
None.
He's not human and flawed, he's not saintly, he's just bland.

There are a few things Superman is supposed to stand for, whether it's a realistic or an idealistic story. Otherwise it makes no sense having him be Superman to begin with.
If he isn't the ideal of man, a symbol of hope, he should be working towards that and if not that he should be questioning himself about why he isn't.
Every Superman story ever told has an angle like that.

And you shut the fuck up about the Christ shit, because Snyder overuses that symbolism to a retarded degree. But it's basically meaningless. Just "cool" imagery, because there's no subtext to back it up.

>>81052013
He stands that people are worth protecting despite his mistrust of them.

>>81052038
>So basically you're saying you don't like Supeman but you liked MoS. Snyder needs a lot more people like you.
I don't like Superman when he is portrayed as a small child in terms of worldliness.

I love Mos.
I love STAS.
I love Kingdom Come.
I love Lex Luthor - Man of Steel.
I love The New Fronter (animated)
I strongly like The Dark Knight Returns and even the Superman in it.
I like Superman Unchained.
I am mixed on but mostly like For Tomorrow.
I like the tone and world building of Earth One but dislike strongly Clark's characterization in it,
I semi like Superman - The Movie.
I semi like Superman 2.
I semi like Superman Returns.

>>81052230
Mos made me Love Superman when I merely liked him before and I am now consuming Superman material much more enthusiastically then I ever would have before.

>>81051012
damn fucking skippy, and anyone who thinks otherwise isn't entitled to an opinion on film.

>military fires on Smallville willy nilly
Everyone shits on Superman
>Zod causes 98% of Metropolis destruction
Everyone shits on Superman

Fuck in my head I thought BvS coming out would make discussing Man of Steel easier, but it actually made it worse

>>81050688
>>"Really, Thor? Thor, has a movie? Like, really. I mean, come on - and there is no Superman movie? The world's out of balance. It's like we've lost our minds here, people. Come on."

For 90% of people Superman is a silly superhero for little kids.

Spiderman's international merchandise sales are like 5 times higher than Superman's.

Shit, Gundam's merch sales are over two times higher.

>>81052419
Superman's merch sales alone almost outstrip all of the Avengers. Batman outstrips them by a huge margin.
Spider-Man is just untouchable though, you're right about that.

>>81052451
Prove it. And don't use that old graph that is both several years old and been shown to be false.

>>81052419
>>81052451
>Pete's Spidey was like the most popular super heroes right now
>Marvel fucked him over and ruin literally almost every moment in the story
>They also trying to replace him.

I'll never understand this.

>>81052238
>have you seen BvS
I actually haven't so I can't really speak about the acting but something tells me that you have wrong and are just being a bitch that he isn't saving kittens from trees.

>>81052238
>he has no emptions in that movie
You're already fucking lying. If you have to exaggerate to the point where you're basically lying than your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

>>81050934
Check the user reviews, Ant-man is still higher.

>>81051104
>Still defending that shitty movie with another shitty movie in the horizon

Give. Up.

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Dont ever fuck with ANTS

Is Snyder the real-life Batmite who decided to do his best to cancel the DCCU, or is he the Gentry, hellbent on transforming the ideas of Superman, other characters and what they stand for into abomination6?

>>81051169
>Snyder defenders
Snyder always tries, but ultimately fails, at conveying any short of message in an interesting or even functional way.
In all of his movies.

Look, I'm a DC fan. I want DC to start doing movies. They have this ridiculous backlog of Super Hero stories that are more than just punches from the punch dimension.

But they need a director that isn't a utter moron. Warner has them by the bunches on their payroll. Instead of making yourself look like a utter fool defending the vision of a guy who made "Sucker Punch", you could join the camp that actually wishes these movie to be good by putting a non-shit director at the helm.

>>81053301
No.
Have you learned nothing from Ultra Comics?
The Gentry are the people discussing MoS and any Snyder movie years later.
It's pointless, doesn't change anything and erodes your free time with some dumb shit that was already decided.

Gentry real evil is the small, invisible cancer that slowly but surely will kill you in the long run.

>>81050992
>By accident, he was looking down at Zod's face the entire flight.
He's FUCKING SUPERMAN. He can see through Zod's face and 50 miles beyond. He knows exactly what direction he's tackling him. And I just rewatched the movie this morning: Superman makes no attempt to take the fight out of Smallville.

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I want to die

>>81053835
nightmaregoggles.jpg

>>81053835
WAKE ME UP

>>81050818
>zod throws a tank truck into superman
>he casually dodges it and lets it hit a building behind him
A real fucking hero this Superman - always making the sacrifice!

>>81053835
send help

>Godzilla got a decent US movie before the Justice League
help

>>81053835
CAN'T WAKE UP

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>>81053835
>Two Parts of Justice League

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>>81053827
>He can see through Zod's face and 50 miles beyond.
Not if he is looking down towards the ground as Zod is beneath him not in front of him. (pic related)

>Superman makes no attempt to take the fight out of Smallville.
See 0:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqlaXylsMwQ

>>81053980
>Godzilla recovered from 1998
>Jurassic Park recovered from 3
DC movies will recover
Won't they? ;_;

>>81053906
stop
i'm crying enough because of bvs

>>81054044
JP3 was great.

>>81054044
Once they fire Snyder and hire Miller or Del Toro, they'll be much better.

>>81054009
>Not if he is looking down towards the ground as Zod is beneath him not in front of him.
In that shot. But when he was barreling towards him he sure could. And again, fucking SUPERMAN, he can hear what direction Smallville is in.

>>81053906
You see his face never move, he was watching Zod the entire time, he never took note that the truck would be explosive, he looks back up at the explosion in horror at his mistake and leaves himself to be instantly attacked when it does explode.

>>81054066
JP3 was complete trash

>>81054090
>he can hear what direction Smallville is in.
He is use to drowning everything out in this universe and he was in a blind rage in this scene.

>>81050934

Look at the audience score. It's not just critics who think Ant-Man is better.

>>81053835
>He's an exec producer on Suicide Squad and The Flash
Fug those actually have a lot of pull

>>81054154
I think the only one drowning anything out right now is you. There is just no way that he couldn't have realized he was tackling Zod into downtown Smallville.

>>81054174
Remember that old script of Flash where Captain Cold was a straigh up serial killer? Get ready to see it resurface

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>>81050688
I’m a comic book guy and I made the movie based as much as I could on that aesthetic. And so I don’t know how else to do it 100%, so it is what it is."

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/zack-snyder-and-the-cast-of-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-a132520


MY SIDES ARE IN SPACE

>>81054252
It did though, as it was used as the basis for the current show.

>>81054174
He'll be fired before the Flash comes out

>>81051169
>isn't brainless
It totally is though.

>>81052132
He stands for shit. Where did you see him doing that?

>>81050934
>>81050907
>even the audience score is higher

Oh my fuck

>>81054066
No

>>81053375
I agree. I don't understand why those anons defend Snyder. He's a bad director and fucking period.

>>81054093
GOD! STOP IT! JESUS CHRIST! STOP DEFENDING THIS MOVIE! It was a TANK TRUCK! They are SHAPED in that particular way! I knew it was going to explode - are you saying superman is a fucking moron who can't recognize a tank truck just by looking at it!?

>>81053835
Why this guy why?!! what must happen to kick him out Warner?

>>81054543
He did not look at it, it could have been carrying any kind of liquid, could have been fucking Milk for all you know.
There is NOTHING fucking wrong with Superman making fucking mistakes.

>>81054554
After BvS, we have a chance. Probably too late to replace him for JL part 1 as they would have to find a director willing to commit just like that, but you never know.

They might push hard for Ben, with Snyder still on set to
consult for action scenes.

>>81054373

It's even worse when you consider that the Audience Score for BVS is likely inflated due to the fact that the movie hasn't been seen by a wide audience yet, Same concept with the current IMDB score.

>>81054595
yeah but do the mistakes have to be that fucking stupid?

>>81050688
He buys into the grant morrison idea of superheroes being important cultural icons, the jungian archetype of warriors and legends... wich may be true, but these are archetypes designed to appeal to children, taking it in a serious direction is absurdly juvenile. Snyder needs to stop drinking the DC cool aid.

>>81054595
Yeah, when I see a truck on the street I always think: "it's prob a milk truck, no biggie."

>HE WASN'T LOOKING!
Pay attention to the fight for Zod's sake, Super! C'mon! People are dying!

>>81054543
SHUT UP MAN OF STEEL HAD ITS FLAWS BUT OVERALL IT WAS GOOD

>>81054669
Also this.

>>81054708
I WILL SHUT UP! I'LL SHUT UP AND GO WATCH THOR 2, THE SUPERIOR MOVIE, HOW ABOUT THAT HUH!?

>>81054708
>anon hits stage two
It's okay, work your way through them at your pace

BAT OF MANSLAUGHTER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ZD6Wmu2L8

>>81054689
Do you realize how pedantic you're being?

>>81054740
>THOR 2
>THE SUPERIOR MOVIE

Thor 2 was fucking shit
But you're right

>>81054602
That's sad, a justie league movie with him would be a disaster, i hope the rumors about warner afraid are true and cancel everything to put the right guy

>>81051169
america's anti-intellectualism is what gave rise to hacks like snyder pretending they can tell a remotely meaningful or compelling story tbqh famiglia

>>81054740
NO IM RUBBER AND YOU'RE GLUE

>>81054783
>a little more like manslaughter than murder

>>81054790
Is it too much to ask of SUPERman to pay some attention to the super-powered murderhobo running rampant in a city full of civilians?

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>>81054543
https://youtu.be/HnAw3E_mLh8?t=1m14s

Hell, forget the shape of the truck itself. Snyder went out of his way to make sure the flammable liquid warning on the truck was SUPER visible to everyone, including Superman as two of those conspicuous ass logos are right in front of Superman as the truck starts sliding towards him, and he still just casually floats by that shit like it's nothing.

There's not even that supposed looking back in shock and horror at the mistake he made, they don't show his facial expression at all. Honestly comes off more as him looking back to make sure the building isn't about to fall on him.

>>81054827
DC SHILLS GET OF MY /CO/! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>81054835
Isn't manslaughter the same as murder?

For such an intelligent person, he says some stupid shit.

>>81054854
>literally says "Lexcorp" on the side
>it waz totes a milk truck u guiz

>>81054854
>ALL THOSE PEOPLE LOOKING FROM THE WINDOWS
God damn it Superman! You're the WORST super hero ever!

>>81054897
I think manslaughter is where you were doing some stupid/reckless shit that caused the death of another person that should have been forseeable to you but you were being stupid. Murder is when you actually went and did something with the intent of killing a person.

I'm not a lawyer though so that shit may be off.

>>81054790
You're not coming off well in the argument.

>>81054310
When he sacrificed himself to the kryptonians.

>>81054943
Just to come back and fuck shit up. I think you're delusional, son.

>>81050688

Aren't jews supposed to be cunning geniuses?

>evil empire destroys planets
or
>suposed superhero has little to no regard for colleteral damage

Is he really that dense?
He obviously has no respect for the source material. I hope he gets the sack after this BvS shitstorm


Man of steel was strike 1 and 2, this was his third imo

I just hope this didn't kill the standalone batfleck movie, that was the only redeeming factor to this shitshow.

>>81054854

God, I haven't seen Man of Steel since it came out in theaters and I truly forgot how excessive the destruction porn was at the end of that movie. Is it possible to feel bored and uncomfortable at the same time?

>>81054673
>He buys into the grant morrison idea

Oh if only

>>81054009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6DQwQyVGOc

>>81054979
They should unjew him. Make him a plain stupid goy.

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>>81054925
I don't even know how dumb these dudes have to be to come up with this milk excuse.

Superman doesn't have to know what the hell was in the truck, all he needed to know was that it was flammable. Which Snyder clearly wanted Superman to know considering he watches two, conspicuously placed flammable liquid logos slide towards him.

>>81055066

Like glue his foreskin back and laugh him out of Hollywood?

>>81055167
Yes. And force-straighten his hair.

>>81050688

>"Really, Thor? Thor, has a movie? Like, really. I mean, come on - and there is no Superman movie?

To be fair Warner Bros is fucking retarded lagged behind the competition to get a shared universe going in the movies by FIVE YEARS.

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>>81050934
>Critics didn't like John Carpenter's the thong

>>81055049

So not only does he take the fight into Smallville, but he also leaves his mother alone with two Kryptonians who were just intimidating and threatening her. A+ Son.

>>81055257
The more we talk about it, the worse it gets.

>>81050688
Didn't know this place was so full of tumblr marvel fan boys. Give it a week and all you lames will start fawning over BvS just to be contrarian. These threads are garbage.

>>81055257
>I'LL GET THEIR LEADER MA, YOU HANDLE THE OTHER TWO

>>81055328
Not likely. The Man of Steel hate train started and never stopped. Rule of #1 4chan: our hate is stronger than our love. And hatred of Snyder far outweighs love of Marvel.

>>81054673

>He buys into the grant morrison idea of superheroes being important cultural icons

Like you can't make a movie about it

>>81053288
ANTS!!!

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>>81055417

Forgot pic

>>81055396
Ya you're right. It's just repetitive. We get it Snyder isn't a top director. But i didnt think we'd have a thread every 30 min to remind us.

>>81055328
>you lames will start fawning over BvS just to be contrarian.
Just don't hold your breath. MoS was flammed when it got out 2 years ago and look: most of us still find it a shit movie.

>>81055478
I love MoS, and I'm definitely not the only one.
That being said, I also despise BvS. Conversations on this board are going to be so strange.

>>81055544
Have you seen it yet? Not tryin to be an ass, just curious.

>>81055544
I loved MoS.
It's starting to look like I'll hate BvS.
Which sucks, because I haven't seen the movie.

>>81050992
>By accident
I think we can hold the ultra-aware god-man accountable for things like tackling somebody into buildings. I'm not saying it's irredeemable, but it feels really weird in a Superman film.

>>81055544
>most of us still find it a shit movie.
>most
>not all
>most

>>81055441
I really liked this. You want to talk about depth and the mythology of super heroes? Watch this.

You want to see shallow posturing? watch BvS

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdDL_mLcpfg
>Even Omaze jumps ship to Marvel

>>81055478
I feel this movie will be more like watchmen than mos. people are hating on it because of rt? since when did we care what boring critics thought? I havnt seen it yet, but im excited to see a new take on superheroes. The movie could totally suck, idk yet, but if it's true that people are just pissed about the tone and the "no fun" thing then I think that's lame as hell.

>>81055654
5 of my friends already watched the movie and they told me it's fucking garbage. One is a huge Batman fan who's in complete shock at how Batman was portraited in this movie.

>>81055730
Havnt seen it yet, I will in a few hours. But i hear batfleck is the highlight. Idk it's weird this movie seems to have really got under people's skin. I'm a HUGE batman fan, and even I can get passed him blowing up cars and shit since we have to in comics and other film adaptations. They say why they didn't like it outside of batman portrayal?

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>That moment when you derail the franchise just right.

>>81055795

I haven't liked Batman killing in any of his films, to be perfectly honest with you.

>>81055819
Who's that?

>>81055875

The closest I could get to Snyder with no effort or photoshop skill.

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>>81050688
>WB was supposedly nervous everyone was too dumb to understand a movie made by this retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc

loving every laugh m8s, snyder fired when

>>81050907
>there are almost as many audience reviews for bvs as antman
>maybe 1000 people have actually seen it
>audience scores are finally going down anyway
why are snydershills so insecure?

>>81055654

Watchmen was a shallow interpretation of a tightly-written graphic novel. There were some good performances, but ultimately they movie stumbled a bit when straying from the original events / dialogue.

Harping over the "no fun" comments is worthless - it's certainly not impossible to make a serious superhero film that the critics love (e.g. Winter Soldier, Nolan Batman trilogy). But Snyder has a nasty habit of presenting a story as meaningful and deep, when it's really a shallow pretentious puddle of half-baked concepts.

Remember how Sucker Punch was supposed to be a female empowerment movie? The same problems are present within Man of Steel. He spends so much time propping Superman up as an idealistic messiah figure that he completely forgets to give him an actual character. There's a conscious effort to steer him away from the optimistic, big blue Boy Scout persona (which is "too boring"), but instead they've looped around to making him sterile, emotionless, and completely fucking unrelateable.

For what it's worth, a lot of this shit can be blamed on Goyer as well.

Everyone knows the movie will make bank, because of who's in it. That's part of why the backlash is so hard. People expected better than what they got.

But COULD YOU IMAGINE how much more insufferable this board would get if it's dud?

>>81053835
>all those shit movies
>/co/ has been defending this man for at least three months now

>>81055959
Oh my God, that is hard to watch.

You know I was reading 2 issues of Action comics. 845 and 846. One having a fight with Bizarro and another a fight with Zod and other kryptonians.
Cool issues by Geoff Johns and Richard Donner.

So as i'm reading this i notice theres alot of shit getting wrecked. buildings being ripped open and knocked to pieces, buses flying, the daily planet globe being knocked off the roof. And i was wondering why the destruction in it didn't feel like the destruction in man of steels ending. It then occurred to me to reread the fight and see what was different. My assumption was it'd be that less was destroyed in the issue, but that wasn't really it. I think the big issue isn't that a ton of shit gets destroyed in the snyder supe films. it's that he just doesn't give a shit about any of it.

The focus of the camera is always telling you 'LOOK HOW COOL THIS FIGHT IS ISN'T IT BAD ASS'. Whereas the comic continually swapped between the action between superman and bizarro or zod, but also the damage and more importantly how it put people in peril. Lois lane reeling as a bus nearly falls on her. Citizens halting to avoid falling as a staircase below them just collapses due to a buildings wall being knocked in. People hurling themselves out of the way as a taxi cab collides out of the air with a sidewalk (hillariously knocking a fire hydrant into the air and dragging a poor little doggy tether to it by leash up with the thing).
And sure you have a few more moments in these two issues of Superman trying to save people rather than just punch the bad guy. but even beside that the damage is framed in a personal way whereas i think the issue in the movie is that its just shit in the background. Like oh look some building over there got destroyed oh well, look how fucking cool this fight is though.

>>81056020

If I had to guess, I would say that this movie will make bank the opening weekend, but likely the domestic gross will drop off quickly if the word of mouth is poor. I haven't seen it so I can't say, but it seems like the rewatchability is fairly low. I do think it will do aces in foreign markets, since effects-driven movies tend to be pretty popular.

However, if this film is a box-office dud, /co/ will explode. And t will be exponentially worse if WB decides to cancel/modify the upcoming DCEU movies as a result.

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>>81055875
Johnny Bravo with half his hair shaved off and glued to his jawline?

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>>81056182

>>81050848
Space Hitler is not Superman.

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>>81056199

>>81056144
So what you're saying is Donner does it better.

I agree.

>>81051104
If Superman was a realistic person in that movie he would have killed Zod as fast as possible.

>>81055846
Same. But I got over it. I remember seeing batman begins in theaters and actually being pissed he left ras to die. As time passed I have grown to love batman begins, and realize every movie isn't going to follow the comic book script like I imagine. I'm more concerned about batmans willingness to kill superman than him blowing up shit.

>>81056159
>if WB decides to cancel the upcoming DCEU movies
I will literally kill myself.
Someone get me a shotgun.

>>81056017
Idk I though watchmen was pretty good. Strays a little from the point of the gn, it not entirely. Prolly the best interpretation we could have got imo.

I enjoyed mos. I know once I saw that everyone will label me as "one of those guys," but I really did like it, even as a big fan of supes. I welcome new take son characters, yes the editing and writing was off at most points, but some parts of the film were very strong.

Snyder has a habit of shoving his dumb ideas down our throats, but hey, so does Morrison and frank Miller and everyone else. I'm ok with his style, he's no David Fincher or Inarritu, but I'm fine with that.

>>81052663
SONY fucked over Spider-Man by doing a shitty reboot that changed everything.

MARVEL is replacing that Spider-Man so they can do him right.

>>81056712

>MARVEL is replacing that Spider-Man so they can do him right.

Starting with the costume

>>81055819
Zack "If You Think I'm A Hack You Must Be on Crack" Snyder

>>81055585
>>81055602
Yep. It's really disappointing. I feel like everything MoS did really well, Snyder didn't carry over to BvS. Even in terms of the fights, which were the one thing I expected BvS to get right for sure. Without any spoilers, it's really disappointing to see Snyder go from hyper concerned about showing the damages upon god like beings fighting to hilariously MCU-ing his way out of it all. Visually, they were also not even near MoS' frantic-yet-powerful feeling fights either. I watched Superman vs. Zod after I got home from BvS, and it's ridiculous how much better it was than what I watched in theaters.
That's not even going into the fact that Zod was an actually proper villain for Superman, and MoS had some amazing Kryptonian lore, that Platonic allegory, and the absurdist nature of that story. MoS had a clear battle: a god with a singular purpose vs. a god who'd been exposed to the crushing responsibility of choice and morality. Doomsday in BvS is a straight up slap in the face to that kind of theming. Just a generic Brute with about as much logical opposition as Nam-Ek from MoS.
It's crushingly disappointing. And a depressing statement: the problems I had with MoS were probably not due to Goyer. It really was Snyder's hand that tainted it all along.
>>81055618
I think there was 1000+ vote poll on /co/ where just over half of the votes were in favor of MoS. I'm not saying that's an overwhelming majority or something, but that a large subset of this board does enjoy it. And I think after BvS comes out there are going to be some people who reevaluate MoS as well.

>>81050688

Does he really not understand the difference between a three-minutes scene of planets being destroyed and thirty minutes of city destruction porn?

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/24/the-justice-league-movies-will-be-lighter-than-batman-v-superman/

BACK

TRACKING

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>>81050688
>>Snyder was mystified when someone told him that they couldn’t think of a movie in recent memory that’s had as much collateral damage as MAN OF STEEL "I went, really? And I said, well, what about STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS?" the director says. "In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math."
He doesn't know what collateral damage means. He really doesn't know.

>>81055959
>This guy
>This fucking guy is supposed to be this historic visionary
>This is the person who they gave Superman to.
>This is the guy that DC fans have been defending for the better part of 3 years

HE CAN'T EVEN SAY WHAT COMIC BOOKS HE'S READ! COME ON PEOPLE

>>81056020
I'm both glad and sad that BvS and CW didn't open on the same weekend like how it was going to be because shit would have been brutal

>>81057147
Damn that makes me sad. I'm still excited tho. Hopefully I can enjoy it.

>>Snyder was mystified when someone told him that they couldn’t think of a movie in recent memory that’s had as much collateral damage as MAN OF STEEL "I went, really? And I said, well, what about STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS?" the director says. "In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math."

Does he know what collateral damage is?

>>81057393
Hope you like it more than I did anon. Don't let my negativity get you down. Affleck, Cavill, and Gadot kill it 100%. As many problems as there are, there's few things as hype as seeing Wonder Woman show up in this movie.

why is he such a goddamn retard?

>>81057509
Lol well seeing Wonder Woman is enough for me. So at least that is good at least.

>mfw defending MoS from people who defended it with me literally a week ago but have now shifted all their opinions to go defense mode for BvS
I hate this reality. Why? For god's sake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LuBXWIf9zA
How did the guy who directed this scene, the most chillingly emotional CBM scene of the last 10 years IMO, end up making a movie like BvS? I'll never know. I will never ever know.

>>81050938
even as far as destruction porn goes, the planet blowing up in star wars was more cartoony and less graphic than mos city destroyed.
It would be like complaining that cap movie had dozens of people disintegrated and now people are grossed out by piles of corpses.

>>81057774
All I remember thinking during this scene in the theater was "I feel like Superman should have gone to the Metropolis one first"

>>81050934
That sounds like an amazing porn parody name.

>>81050688
>>"Really, Thor? Thor, has a movie? Like, really. I mean, come on - and there is no Superman movie? The world's out of balance. It's like we've lost our minds here, people. Come on."
Thor 2, the worst movie in the worst franchise, released at a much less favorable time of year, beat Man of Steel domestically.

Superman, an American icon couldn't sell as much in the theaters of his homeland as Thor.

No Zack. YOU come on.

>>81057932
He couldn't have though. The gravity field was expanding due to the secondary ship, and then they wouldn't have been able to bomb the main ship with Superman's old phantom drive.

>>81051104
The problem is that you confuse being a pussy with being realistic. First responders around the world choose to rush into the fire to save people. But no that's not realistic because people are assholes right?

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>>81056920

>tfw you will never experience a DC movieverse with Bruce Timm at the helm

I was rooting for Affleck so hard because he really did manage to turn it around, but holy jeezuz those pained faces.

>shitting on my nigga ant-man
I guess he forgot that movie full of literally who's that became a hit and pushed their characters to stardom in comic books.

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>>81058240
One thing I learned now is that you don't bet against ANTS!

>>81054854
I forgot how destructive that fight was. Supes was throwing Zod into buildings as much as Zod was doing the same to Supes. It didn't even feel like there was an attempt to avoid collateral damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu8u65ZxlaE

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Based Snyder!

>>81057281
The problem wasn't the fact that it's dark. It's that it's dark in a way that's retarded. You could have done man of steel well and you could have done BVS well. You just can't just have Synder in there and expect a good movie.

>>81058417
"And DC resuscitated after 3 yea- Oh wait, nevermind, they're still dead.

>>81057774
How is that chilling?
There's like three slightly distressed people and Superman breaks the thing.

You may as well call the similar scene from Fant4stic chilling.

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>>81058473
They had a perfect Superman movie hook in this movie. They had a perfect Batman and a perfect Alfred. They had a Wonder Woman that beat everyone's expectations.
And all of that is moot, because none of it could have withstood a garbage director.

>>81058623
They could have just ripped off the DCAU version and everything would be fine.

>>81058565
It's shot in an amazing way. It's not about the "slight distress," it's about the fact that Perry stays back to help Jenny. It's about the fact that in the midst of the danger and violence and bullying, the movie at its core holds an optimistic view of humanity.
It's cathartic to see all of that happen on screen with Hans Zimmer's score slowly building up, as Superman bears the literal weight of the world on his shoulders. I haven't experienced a scene in a comic book movie quite like it. And given BvS, I don't think I ever will again, at least from the DCEU.

>>81058659
Probably this. His best movie was 300 and that was because he was religiously following the comic.

>>81050907
ANTS

First Brussels and now DCfags' hopes and dreams.

WHEN WILL THIS END?

>>81057993

The question isn't "Why didn't Superman go to Metropolis?" The situation unavoidable and Clark had to go to the other side of the planet to have any chance of saving the world in time.

The question you should be asking is "Why did Zack Snyder want to make a Superman movie where Metropolis gets steamrolled for some twenty minutes while Superman isn't even there?"

>>81058790
Because it shows that Superman is willing to sacrifice all he has for humanity even if they don't praise him for it. Superman's a good person down to his core, regardless of who evaluates his acts, and MoS puts that on full display. And also to show that no matter how pessimistic the view of humanity at large has gotten lately, we're still good people on our own merits.
I had a larger post about choice and absurdism in Man of Steel. I'll try to find it. Maybe a bit more explanation might make you more sympathetic to how I view things, even if you disagree.

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>>81050688
>Messing with ANTS and expecting the universe is not going to fuck you up

>>81058963
That's not explaining why there needed to be two of them and we needed to be constantly reminded of the fact that millions were dying in Metropolis while Superman was fighting a tentacle droid.

The entire scene could have worked if there had been only one just as well

>>81057939
>Porn parody name.
"Don't panic, but the Thong could be any one of us."
"Oh no, how will we find out? Who is the Thong?"
"There's a test... Take off your pants."
>[Porno soundtrack intensifies]

I'm still trying to figure out the divide between the fan screenings and the critics. I know people who just despised MoS but they loved this one.

>>81050688
I'm not a capefag and I don't like company wars, but this guy being condescending triggered the karma gods to bite his ass.

Fans wanted continuity worked in the Dark Knight trilogy, but Nolan's Batman left Gotham for Anne Hathaway.
Then Marvel raked in all the cash and DC broke out with a rash, from Warner Brothers asking them to come save the day.

>when Constantine's reviews were seen they ordered up some scotc'n
>weekend numbers leaked that only geeks had been watching the watchmen
>far as they could see it seemed that V was for Vendettas held for botching
Up the stories from the lord of snakes, Alan Moore.

In brightest day, in blackest night, Green Lantern was a dismal sight. How could the word of mouth be any worse? They've got to build a world that sparkles, one that's not that unlike Marvel Cinematic Universe.

There's no way they weren't burned by films like Superman Returns and so Team Nolan came on to make Kal-El more mod. The numbers said they had a hit, but critics were all sharply split right down the line, just like the spine of General Zod.

They thought they'd show' 'em all by throwing Batman in the mayhem. Affleck was adored, so they ignored the Fanbase ultimatum.
"Hey has Luthor heard of Zuckerberg? 'cause we just cast the guy who played him. And I tell ya' what the hell get everyone else!"

We thought this was a two man show but they've cast every hero known, to count them all would take another flick. Looks like they crammed the whole entire Justice League all up inside them "DCEU"

>>81058074

This. Fucking this. "Realistic" in these movies is "everyone's an asshole, everyone is out for themselves". It's pessimistic bullshit, which is all wrong for Superman.

You don't need a grounded, realistic Superman. Especially not when your definition of grounded/realistic is as shit as Snyder's.

>>81054154
>and he was in a blind rage in this scene.

That doesn't excuse a person's actions. "It was an accident" can't get you acquitted in court. It might get the charge lowered from murder to manslaughter but you're still legally fucking guilty of killing people.

>>81061143
I liked it.

>>81061484
Not to mention it's an irrelevant excuse anyway as the fucking Director and Screenwriter set up the scene because they wanted an action scene in Smallville, so we could have explosions and advertising tie-ins.

>>81050848
ral_damage
Collateral damage is a general term for deaths, injuries, or other damage inflicted on an unintended target.

There was virtually no collateral damage in Star Wars at all.

>>81050979
But if it were a monkeys paw effect, he'd get that wish but at the expense of getting completely paralyzed in a freak accident on set.

>>81050688
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jgpihpnv3Q

ITS OUT

>No respect for Thor
>Doesn't know who fucking Ant-Man is

And this fucker claims to be a "comicbook guy"

>>81050848

Because thats not how art works.
We saw a flash in a sky. And a death laser beam and it was over In star wars.

In superman It was drawn out for the last 40 minutes and up close as we see people running in terror from smoke and individual building collapse evoking images of nineuhfuckingleven

Zach is a dumbass that doesn't understand how to use his art to communicate with his audience.

>>81051637
City evacuated as soon as the world engine arrived.

>>81065273
That's why there is a cut to people hiding behind their cars on the street when Zod and Superman go down to the street, right around Zod throwing the gas tanker at him? Because it was evacuated right? Hell, Superman is forced to kill Zod because Zod is threatening to heat vision no one since the city was evacuated when the world engine arrived, right?
Shut the fuck up.

>>81065273
You can see people in the buildings when Clark and Zod are fighting

>>81053835
goodbye chances at a semi decent wonder woman film

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Another point down.

>>81050688
>How is it you can feel you can be making a superhero movie in a world where Superman and Batman exist?
What the actual fuck is this moron trying to say?

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>>81055025
>Is it possible to feel bored and uncomfortable at the same time?
it's my default feel, pretty much all the time

>>81063016
i dont know who the fuck these people are

I'd like to believe that at this point people's expectations are so diminished, people will actually like this movie.

>>81066557
I'm thinking it might be one of those it's so bad it's good cult movies in a few years.

>>81052132
>humanity

Is that why he killed those filthy kryptonians babies?

>>81055819
Faggot, you left off his "Deborah" tattoo

>>81056592
>we will never get SHAZAM! because of how back Snyder fucked up

>>81066432
I think he saying that you're not really making a superhero film unless you're doing Superman and Batman.

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SNYDER CAN'T HANDLE THE ANTS

>fuckin' PEYTON REED made a goddamn ANT MAN FILM that ended up being better than a film with Superman and Batman

Snyder should consider suicide at this point

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>>81050688
> not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man?"
A reboot?

>>81051972
>That was the entire point, to tell Clark the true nature of the world instead of selling him bright fantasy tales of hope that mostly doesn't exist.
Then all the talks about the "S stands for Hope" is bullshit then. Because if there is no Hope, there is no Superman. And that's what happened. We end up with a Superman who doesn't believe in himself.

>>81071945
Snyder is one of those headstrong people that feel they can do no wrong and won't learn their lesson.

>Affleck puts himself out there in the Superhero genre
>gets shit on again
My man can't catch a break

>>81063212
He's a comic book guy as in he thinks Wolverine, Batman and Punisher are cool, and read the one story where Superman dies and the Frank Miller Batman stuff. You know, the kind of guy who only read the New 52 JLA arc where they fought Darkseid and is making Justice League about that, even though it's a stupid ass idea when Marvel is finally debuting Thanos so soon.

>>81072151
It really won't help the "DC is just copying Marvel lel" critics that's for sure.

>>81072243
If Captain America dies in Civil War, you bet your ass that every web critic out there will keep smuggly saying "BvS and Civil War are the same movie!"

>>81071945
Squad? please no, let that one be good.

>>81051014
>>81051027
That is why Carpenter was a master of horror in his prime.

I just saw the movie, and it was bad, it was honestly bad and you guys need to accept it. It wasn't all bad of course since you can see some really good ideas and scenes there, but 90% of those comes from Batman/Bruce Wayne which comes to my bigest complain.

Why did they rush this movie? The biggest reason why the plot is so convoluted is because it has basically 5 movies crammed in it, all of which could be good as their stand alone thing, you have in BvS:
MoS 2
Batman solo movie
Lex Luthor learning the ayylien tech which would be used in the hypothetically MoS 2 I guess.
The actual Batman vs Superman thing
And the movie that sets up the justice league and introduces the meta humans.

They just shoved everything into the batman vs superman movie, making a huge mess. Among all the plots the best ones were the ones that had Batman for the most part. Affleck might be the best movie Batman, he actually uses his real identity to do fucking detective work and he's great at it, but as the actual Batman the guy is scary which is perfect. I still found it entertaining, but it was bad because it was a big rushed mess

>>81076322
Did you literally write down what the bald guy from Screen Junkies said? that's almost word by word, what he said, except for your 4chanization with the "ayylmao" and whatnot.

>>81076878
Kinda agree with the guy here, too many big archs that ends up feeling rushed or shoe horned in, Doomsday wasn't necessary, neither was Wonder Woman or the meta humans sub plot. But I disagree, there was some good with Superman, the religious analogies would have been way better without Luthor hammering them down.

Batman thing was great for me, mostly because for the first hour and a half it was mostly him being a detective and using his status as Bruce Wayne to get info. Batman introduction scene at the slavist house was amazing and my favorite part of the movie, the scene really made the dark knight feel like someone truly scary.

And this is my biggest complain, I was dissapointed that the movie actually had some truly fantastic ideas that could have been great if they took a little more to develop as their own movies. Superman struggle on the morality of his own powers and the world perceiving him as some sort of messiah, that idea is fantastic, and the scenes of him rescuing people were actually really well done.

I don't think the movie deserves a 31% on RT, it wasn't good, but the separate ideas that work, they really work

>>81078085
I'll continue, the only bad part with Batman was the Knightmare dream sequence that turns into a horrible schlock right away. Intro sequence to the movie was better than Nolan IMO, and the dream sequence on the Wayne's mausoleum is also really well done. Superman aslo has some really well done scenes, but sadly they were given away in the trailers, namely two, the one where he rescues the girl in the burning factory and where he rescues the people on the houses roofs, those were entertaining imagenery.

I'm gonna watch it again, I hated it when I went out, but it has grown on me, still wouldn't say it's good, but the hate is overblown. It's way better than man of murder, and the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that it is Doomsday, Luthor's over explaining the movie messages and Wonder woman the ones that drags the movie down and wonder woman isn't bad either when it came to the casting and she does kicks ass, it's just that she really wasn't necessary

>>81052238
My problem with Superman here is that he lacks charisma compared to Batman and fucking Wonder Woman.

>>81052238
>He's not human and flawed, he's not saintly, he's just bland.
I blame that mostly on the actor, dude just looked like he didn't gave a fuck at times.

>>81078437
>blaming fucking Cavill over Synder
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>>81052801
>>81078437
>ignoring literally everything past the second paragraph

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>>81050688
>>"I feel like he’s right. But I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman. They’re not just, like, the flavour of the week Ant-Man – not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man?"
That part is true inasmuch as the general audience had expectations for Batman or Superman that they don't have towards a character that hasn't been exposed to them as much (typically that didn't have a movie before).

Thing is, fair or not that you have to work with expectations and the neighbour's kid doesn't, well you do have to work with them. It's harder for you, but the fact that it isn't as hard for the neighbour's kid to succeed is no excuse for you failing.

tl;dr: stop being a little bitch, Snyder

>>81050688
>"If you get that right, that's the question you'll be asking everyone else. That should be the question you are asking Iron Man and Thor. How is it you can feel you can be making a superhero movie in a world where Superman and Batman exist?"
The fuck does that even mean.

>>81076322
>Why did they rush this movie?

It's not rushed.
Remember that it was delayed for 1 year and now we can see why.
WB's meddling clearly wanted Snyder to shove all of that unecessary shit for the sake of the cinematic universe.

Also not sure who is responsible for wanting to do The Dark Knight Returns and Death of Superman in one movie, it just blows my mind that someone thought this was a good idea.

>>81078524
I bet he doesn't he doesn't know jack shit outside Marvel promotional material.

>>81078481
I'm not gonna deny you that, Snyder doesn't know how to use symbolism outside cool imagery. I also agree that Superman is supposed to be a symbol of hope, a symbol of where we want to go, and his most interesting stories comes from a conflict of why he might be failing or contradicting that. You are right on that, my point is that Cavill acting was lame, and the actors do have a big role on making a character good or bad.

>>81078588
If you think Cavill was lame I can accept that. He was just okay to me in MoS but that just doesn't cut it to me for such a movie. That said, even if he was better it still wouldn't mean the script was a good rendition of Superman.

>>81054257
>I’m a comic book guy
That's new.
https://youtu.be/UD3byJxc9Vc

>>81078540
TDKR part of the movie should have been the entire movie, again, the scene where the cops enter the slavist home was fantastic and Affleck did a great job at making Batman feel like a scary vigilante. Focus on that, add the twist on Bruce Wayne paranoia about Superman, but don't fucking shove two major events, that are separate movies on their own into one single movie

>>81051738
>tfw Iron Man actually tried to get Hulk away from civilians to fight
>Man of Murder just DBZ slugs Zod around downtown until giving his neck the Rice Krispy treatment

Yeah, gotta think about those scenes for a bit.

>>81078623
>still wouldn't mean the script was a good rendition of Superman.
There was some good ideas tho, they did have the idea of having Superman being conflicted about his role in this world, and also being conflicted about the world thinking he's a messiah. It was poorly done thanks to incomptence on both writters and directos, but the idea was there

>>81056034
Well you guys worship shit comics and cartoons all the time.

>>81078663
Hey don't bring DBZ into this, there's barely ever a fight in cities and most of the time a lot of their focus is taking the fight AWAY from it.

>>81078768
I mean cities do get blown up/depopulated pretty regularly in DBZ

>>81053835
There was a time when they were considering Duncan Jones to direct MoS. Imagine, right now we could have been getting superhero movies from the guy that made Moon and Source code, both of which actually maintained an optimistic core in spite of the bad things that happened to the characters. But no, Duncan Jones directs WoW's "we have literally nothing left to do with the brand" movie, and Snyder churns out mess after mess after mess. This is the exact opposite of what needed to happen.
At least Mute might eventually come out.

>>81050688
>They’re not just, like, the flavor of the week Ant-Man
The same Ants that is showing up in CW and getting a surprise not plan second film?
Yeah really flavor of the week Zack

>Thor? Thor, has a movie? Like, really. I mean, come on - and there is no Superman movie?
There have been 7 you fucking hack you made on of them. What the hell are you on about?
>what about STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS?" the director says. "In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math."
You fuck- Awakens was shit but that damage was done buy humans against humans with star cross reaching death beams. Not a giant machine on earth that had several quick solutions for a man with god level powers.

Is he just high on drugs all the time or is this what he really thinks.

>>81078820
Not that often, and not by Goku throwing people through buildings (while it's painfully obvious it doesn't hurt them anyway).

>>81055959
Is that Kevin Smith that says "thank god your visuals are so strong"? If so, based.

>>81079053
It's him yeah.

>>81078891
>There have been 7 you fucking hack you made on of them. What the hell are you on about?
I wouldn't be surprised if he's never seen them.