http://www.moovienews.com/20160323- major-shakeup-for-warner

>>81023489
NOBODY WATCH THE MOVIE. WE'LL GET BETTER FILMS DOWN THE ROAD.

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>Nolan

>>81023542
>like i was gonna watch it anyways

Who's david bowie's son again the guy that is doing the WoW movie, have him direct it.

>>81023489
>random movie site no one has heard of
Yeah, I doubt they did all of that so fast anyways.

>>81023489
It's official, SJWs are giving the movie their back. It's over.

http://www.themarysue.com/batman-v-superman-review/

>Snyder just keeps getting chances, and I have no idea why. Even on a technical level, this movie is frequently ugly. The clean urban scenes look the best, but most of the action sequences are messy (with the possible exception of a pretty good car chase through a city). Rather than ratcheting up tension and excitement by slowly building, they’re overdone and seem coated with so much CG that you just feel lost in a world you don’t recognize, and that CG coating is sometimes inexplicably overdone.
>By about the halfway point of sitting through it, I started to realize this is a real time-suck of a movie. I don’t care about any of the characters or the plot, the action isn’t even that entertaining, and the onslaught of sadistic imagery felt like something Snyder had waged against his audience. I haven’t observed such a begrudging response to a press screening since Transformers 4. If you didn’t know about Justice League coming up, all the cameos from upcoming characters would be baffling, but with the exception of Wonder Woman and Aquaman, I’m not full of hope about what’s to come (and I just feel bad that Ezra Miller will be on the receiving end of Flash comparisons). More than anything, I went home glad to still have the new X-Men and Captain America to cleanse the pallet of the nasty aftertaste Batman v Superman left behind.

>>81023489
MAKE DCEU GREAT AGAIN

This is all good news senpai, but I still think BvS will make 1 billion even with shit reviews.

>>81023584
He wouldn't do it anyway

>>81023655
>actually looking forward to the new X-Men
kek

I'm down with everything desu but I hope they don't fuck too much with WW. It's already far along enough that messing with it now is probably going to result in a complete disaster.

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>if it flops

I wish. The arrogance would be wiped off Snyder's face. But of course it won't happen. It's batman and superman, for fuck's sake. There is even Wonder Woman for the chicks. And all the clueless parents taking their kids expecting a kiddy movie.

It will make buckets of money, but unfortunately it would indeed be much better for us fans if it somehow flopped. They would actually be forced to rethink their strategy and stop riding on Nolan's dick thinking that everything has to be as dark and colorless as possible.

That thing about investor take-over and another reboot is bullshit. They won't reboot. They might make a soft reboot, which is just changing the people behind the cameras and going lighter and more colorful instead of the shitty Snyder grimdark but they won't recast. That'd be insane. And for fuck's sake, GET RID OF GOYER.

>>81023489
Wouldn't surprise me if Aquaman, Cyborg and GLC were cut. Especially Cyborg and GLC.

I'm expecting Affleck to get another shot at Bats and I'm betting he'll get a 3 movie deal. Probably even as director.

MOS2 will probably still happen, but it's going to have a massive budget cut. Which could actually be interesting. It would force the production staff to be creative and not just give into CGI porn.

>>81023489
>rewriting a movie that's already finished filming

>>81023700
Hahahaha. Have they not seen the trailers? I swear people think Singer directed First Class so they all think it's going to be like that film.

>>81023489
>WB execs are shitting their pants. If [Batman V Superman] makes less than a billion, [Zack] Snyder is out and Justice League will be delayed 8 months.
>if BvS makes less than a billion
Come on, of course it will make 1 billion. They should still fire Hack Snyder, should've never been put in charge of the DCEU.

>>81023489
>Aquaman, Cyborg, and Green Lantern Corps. are all on the chopping block
Hal Jordan can be on CW Flash now!

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I'll take "Things That Didn't Happen for $1000," please.

>>81023803
No way they will they cut out their black superhero these days.

>>81023489
>David Yates, Louis Letterier
jesus fucking christ, are they incapable of hiring someone good?

>>81023489
Shit Im a Marvelfag, but after Fury Road I would be hyped as fuck for a Miller directed Justice League.

Its up to you DCfriends, don't spend money on this movie.

>>81023489
The funny part is that they're blaming everyone but themselves.


You know what killed this movie? Design by committee. Meddling. Compromises. Accelerated timetables. Focus groups. Test screenings.
Now it's blown up in their faces and they're panicking. A fucking laugh and a half, mates. A fucking laugh and a half.


Before some anon responds that MCU films are also controlled top-down by marvel studios... the difference is that Marvel studios was started by people who knew and worked in and gave a shit about comic books. Marvel was an outsider when they bought back movie rights to their properties, they were *not* Hollywood establishment. And at the end of the day, their creative decisions didn't come from some committee of Hollywood execs -- they came Kevin fucking Feige.

Warner Brothers can try to blame Snyder if they want. Hell, /co/ can try to blame Snyder. But at the end of the day, this cynical pandering mess of a movie is the responsibility of Warner Brothers. This is what happens when executives try to construct a film on paper and stuff it with tons of money and 'all the right talent' without having and fucking vision beyond hopping on a bandwagon and putting out something to compete for market share.

>>81023929
WB only hires WB directors.

Imagine a JL movie directed by Brad Bird.

>>81023971
Well we still have Rebirth announcements, might be good.

>>81023929
The problem is that I'm not sure anyone good would want to be associated with the DCEU after BVS.

>>81023962
But Fury Road was its own thing. Miller knows nothing about comic books. He is not a fan. Fury Road was Fury Road. Do you think a JL movie would be like Fury Road? You can't be serious.

>>81023489
>Wonder Woman is undergoing major rewrites to be more of a standalone film
NO, you MORONS! It can be a standalone (hero fights one baddie for the span of the movie), but slide in tidbits of the larger universe! Do they have literal mentally handicapped people in the executive seats?

In my head, the WB offices are like Spongebob's head in the FINE DINING AND BREATHING episode

>>81023972
>Design by committee. Meddling. Compromises. Accelerated timetables. Focus groups. Test screenings.
History fucking repeats itself.

How ironic.

>>81024022
>Do they have literal mentally handicapped people in the executive seats?
They think muh 2deep4you and angst are the way to go because of one semi decent Nolan movie that made money because a main actor died. You tell me anon

>>81024017
Didnt Miller want to direct a Justice League film years ago? So I would say he has to be at least a bit of a fan.

Also had a good directing record and is a very good at using the visual medium to tell a story, unlike Snyder.

>>81024092

Reminder they literally said after Green Lantern flopped "We'll fix it by making the sequel darker and edgier."

>>81023797
I don't think it will "flop" but the question is whether it will make a billion. This movie, with the two biggest heroes to ever exist, needs to make Avengers money. Hell, it needs to make Iron Man 3 money. Anything less would be a disappointment to everyone involved

Look at ASM2. That didn't bomb at all but it's reception and lower-than-expected returns caused Sony to share with Marvel

Are there any pictures of Batman shitting his pants yet?

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>>81023972
"After all we're making a COMIC BOOK movie! lol!"

>>81023489
Damn me and my friends have tickets already... I will try to convince them that the movie is garbage and that we should just gather around to drink and watch Netflix or something.

Fuck Snyder.

>WB right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQcNwsjVEQ

>Wonder Woman is undergoing major rewrites to be more of a standalone film.

but they already finished filming the movie last week

well I guess they are going to have to kill jesse eisenberg

It's a shame, their animated movies are on par with live action marvel ones, how do they keep fucking it up ?

>>81023972
>You know what killed this movie? Design by committee. Meddling. Compromises. Accelerated timetables. Focus groups. Test screenings.
>Now it's blown up in their faces and they're panicking. A fucking laugh and a half, mates. A fucking laugh and a half.
While I agree that all those things are bad I'm a little bothered that you don't seem to include "hiring a bad director" in that list.

>>81024022
WW has already finished filming aost all their shit. You really think they waste movie by scrapping and restarting when the real decider,the box office , isn't even out.
>oh no some critics didn't like it
>but the fans loved it
>who cares about the fans, we need to pander to a bunch of ppl who saw it for free

>>81023584
He would never do it, he is above capeshit, His Batman movies were more crime dramas than real superheroes movies. And they were great

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Was that rumor about WB announcing BvS on Comic Con just three days after deciding to make the movie true?

After MoS's disappointment, critically and financially, they decided to add Batman in the movie three days before announcing it at Comic Con. At least that's what the rumor was about.

>>81024180
>It's a shame, their animated movies are on par with live action marvel ones,
They've been getting shittier though

>>81024200
they're probably just going to cut out all of the EU wank in it to make it a standalone film

>>81024099
He wanted to adapt the OMAC series....it wasn't a very good script.

>>81024170
>implying reshoots aren't a thing

>>81023489
>install a board that will order the universe to be rebooted."
should have fucking done that in the fucking first place. god damn they are incompetent.

>>81023489
I just read a quote from that Zack Snyder interview about Star Wars

>There’s a fun conversation — we filmed it, it’s not in the cut — but there’s a conversation when [Superman] saves the girl from the garment factory, we had a line where a guy goes, but now all the garment factory owners, they’re not concerned with safety because they just figure Superman will show up to save them if the building catches on fire. It’s sort of a catch-22 to being the ex machina, being the hand of God: the hand of God can’t be everywhere the same time. You’re headed for a fall.

>but now all the garment factory owners, they're not concerned with safety because they just figure Superman will show up to save them if the building catches on fire
>this line was originally in the film
this guy doesn't get Superman or comics at all

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>>81024185
>You know what killed this movie? Design by committee. Meddling. Compromises. Accelerated timetables. Focus groups. Test screenings.
>Now it's blown up in their faces and they're panicking. A fucking

Zack Snyder is surely a bad director. But even the shittiest of shitty summer blockbuster directors is capable of making something watchable given the right conditions.

Case and point: michael fucking bay

>>81024034
I can see it.

>>81024225
Snyder was scheming for months to get Batman. Little worm.

>>81024237
So 75% of the movie? P
I'm not understanding what your saying.
WW from the looks of it is stand alone. You won't need to watch BvS to get this movie.

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Do you guys think that by this time next year there will be a BvS fan edit that is better than the theatrical cut?

I can totally see how they can mix MoS with BvS to a movie that is way more fun to watch. You can actually combine the metropolis fight in the building with heat-vision Zod with the opening scene with Bruce Wayne driving around the city.

>>81024170
Its almost like OP is clickbait...but that can't be, everybody knows /co/ likes DC and wants this movie to do well...

>>81024310
>fan edit that is better than the theatrical cut
Just like my Hobbit trilogy tbqh

>>81023489
DC being sold to Marvel when?

>>81024277
Why not? What's wrong?

> Fresh: 35
>Rotten: 51

It feels like every time the Fresh meter gets 1 positive, it goes up 2 negative

>"Investors are planning a major takeover if [Batman V Superman] flops and have plans to install a board that will order the universe to be rebooted."

I'm imaging the investors as Greek Gods warping reality to make this franchise happen.

>>81024277
>“I was surprised with the fervency of the defense of the concept of Superman,” said Snyder. “I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.” Snyder also recalled being told that his film had more collateral damage than any other movie in recent memory, which was a claim that surprised him.

>“I went, really? And I said, well, what about ['Star Wars: The Force Awakens']?” said Snyder. “In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math.”

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/zack-snyder-says-he-tried-grow-up-superman-man-steel

>>81024310
If it's anything like Man of Steel (and it sounds like it is in the worst way) it'd require new scenes to be shot. You can't edit down a movie that's lacking, you need new raw material to work with.

>>81023542
>NOBODY WATCH THE MOVIE. THAT WAY THEY CAN REBOOT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN UNTIL THEY GET IT RIGHT

>>81024363
>“I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.”
Snyder's definition of a grown up seems to consist of 50% bitch, 50% assohole.

Anyone else feel like the critics are being overly harsh to DC over this?

I can't count the number of reviews I've seen that claim "the movie isn't as fun as Marvel stuff" or "marvel movies flow better".

Phase 2 has been stale as FUCK. What the hell are the critics comparing things to?

>>81024363
Seriously, how out of fucking touch is this guy?

Do you think he even realizes that's not even a good comparison or what?

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>>81023489
Mamoa is perfect for Lobo, how could've they fucked up so badly?

>>81024411
Listen double dubs, that'd be a good thing.
You can't just keep adding ingredients hoping it'll even out indefinitely. Sometimes you just gotta throw out the batter and make some fresh.

>>81024363
>comparing a franchise on a universal scale
>to something that's barely on a planetary scale
He's a fucking idiot allright

>>81024423
IM3 wasn't amazing but not shit
Thor 2 was shit
TWS was GOAT Marvel
GotG was the success absolutely nobody predicted
AoU was a disappointment but led to them kicking out Wheedon so hope remained that marvel would learn for their mistakes
Ant-Man was perfectly okay

Better track record I'd say

>>81024363
>>“I went, really? And I said, well, what about ['Star Wars: The Force Awakens']?” said Snyder. “In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math.”

Seeing the damage inflicted firsthand and then watching dull planets blow up are two entirely different things. It's really disturbing to hear a director of a visual medium say this.

Oh fucking joy. I remember reading that Time Warner hasn't been doing so well financially. If this movie really does bomb, I guess it'll go up for sale and get acquired a by Chinese company or some shit.

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>>81024347
The lower the better.

>>81024423
No. WB are the fucking devil. Disney may have neutered Marvel but at least Marvel movies are for the most part being made by people that actually read and enjoy comics.

>>81024383
That is a good point, but according to most critics the movie is bloated, not lacking. If you take the good parts and cut away all the crap and add a few scenes from MoS it might make it better.

>>81024164
>not going and deciding for yourself

>>81023489
Executives care about money and not ratings right?

Nothing to worry about. The article is trying to equate critic scores with success to induce fear.

>>81024213
Well the first one felt very Batman to me. It the next two that felt more crime dramas.

>>81024461
This ain't Amazing Spiderman, bitch.

And let's at least let majority see it before burning it all for the insurance money.

>>81023807
>what are reshoots
stupid trip poster

>>81024423
I know this is going to fall on deaf ears but you don't actually need to compare movies to anything but themselves in order to say "This was boring." or "This was flashy and noisy, but not actually entertaining". Even the "This isn't as fun" isn't as in comparison to Marvel or as meaningless as your memes have declared it to be. many times It's saying that for all the pomp and circumstance the movie has, it lacks the character weight to invest the viewer.

Snyder's movies in general have ALWAYS had these problems. They look good when you take out of context screenshots, and scenes, and sure, that means you can do a nice little copypasta about how it's got such great cinematography and every frame is a painting and it's pure capekino, but looking good isn't all it takes to actually be a good movie.

>>81024516
They mostly care about money but ratings also play a part if the money doesn't make up for it.

Man, I didn't have any expectations for this movie, but I didn't actually expect it to bomb this hard review wise.

Probably the biggest surprise of the year so far. I'm curious how it will do at the box office and if the bad word of mouth will affect it.

Do people really believe this is real or is this ironic shitposting?

>>81024331
This reminds of a rumor that Disney was going to buy DC a while back.

>>81024508
I don't want Snyder to keep shitting up the DC movies, I would take watching this movie later when the BD can be pirated if it meant that WB kick out Snyder.

IT WAS JUST A PRANK

PLEASE TELL ME IT WAS JUST A PRANK

>>81024423
Marvel stablished their character first. DC for some reason wants to make JL NOW. RIGHT. NOW. For some reason. They own DC, so it's not like they are going to lose the rights or something. But nope. They want it NOW. Fuck character development, audience getting familiarized with your characters, story-telling, etc. Fuck that shit. Let's throw everything together on screen NOW.

>>81024561
Aren't there laws against monopolization?

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>>81023489
>"Chris Nolan is being courted as a producer and George Miller, David Yates, Louis Letterier, and Vincenzo Natali are all being courted to take over Justice League."
>"Investors are planning a major takeover if [Batman V Superman] flops and have plans to install a board that will order the universe to be rebooted."
This is contradictory information

>>81024499
>That is a good point, but according to most critics the movie is bloated, not lacking.
Is that what you took away? Because what I've been seeing is both (which is possible).

For example, I just finished watching a review that says that the movie has a lot on Batman's motivations and characterization, but Luthor (who impacts a hell of a lot of the plot) seems to be doing stuff just for shits and giggles. That Clark's characterization is carried over from the last movie (where it was also lacking) and doesn't grow or develop. And that, most tellingly, the two guys never actually just TALK about their differences to each other. They talk about it to their supporting cast team mates (Alfred/Lois).

How do you edit that to work? You need new scenes.

>>81024561
They really should.
Just keep Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern and ditch the rest of the D-listers that make up DC.

>>81023489
Fake as fuck, do you really think they didn't know that?
It's like they sat with Michael Bay and were like "If your movie gets bad reviews you're out of transformers"

I don't know if they're going to care about reviews, i just want Snyder to stay as a producer and George Miller to direct it Justice League. I mean, Snyder gave us the best costumes ever, he has a vision for comic books but fails at storytelling.

>>81024331
Never.

WB owns DC comics. They'd never sell away all of those IPs to another company.

>>81024568
Forgive our director

We taught him how to make movies wrong

As a joke

>>81024587
I don't it can be considered monopolizing, though.

>Lois Lane says stuff like, “I’m not a lady, I’m a journalist” and has stuff said to her like, “[In the men’s bathroom] You know, with balls like this, you belong in here.”

As if /co/ needed more reasons to get triggered by this movie.

>>81024423
>phase 2 had been stale as fuck
Both phases have been made up of several mediocre movies with one or two great ones so far. but that's still a better track record than the DCEU

While it's sad that the movie is getting blasted it's just another example that WB can't manage their intellectual properties well and people should expect that, but I would also like to say that before competent people were put in charge of marvel movies the only good movies they really had under there belt were Spiderman 1 and 2 and the first X Men movie some like the first Punisher and Blade movies are arguable, it's DCs turn now to stumble, just hope they get some actual people who can think before they burn the place down.

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What happened to the guy who directed this? He can't be the same guy who did Sucker Punch, Man Of Steel and now Batman v Superman, right?

When did the promising Snyder die and why/how?

/co/, how do you fix this if you're Warner Bros.?

>>81023489

Don't I wish.

>>81024784
When CGI came

>>81024543
b-b-b-b-but Marvel is worse!

'Moovie' news?

The cows are learning...

>>81024751
thats because they DC never focused on making more DC movies till nolans batman and Marvels sudden outpour of movies. if Marvel didn't make start making a ton of movies and hadn't been bought by Disney, they probably would have stuck to the formula of making a batman or superman remake every couple years.

>>81024340
He's implying that the garment factory owners that had had their factory burn down and their workers saved by Superman will just remove all safety measures in future because Superman will just save them whenever. As if Superman has planetary spider-sense and just appears wherever someone is about to get hurt. Even Injustice Superman wouldn't go that far.

I mean the usual criticism of superheroes is that by glorifying violence they end up creating their own supervillains and endangering people. Another criticism is that they can't defeat human nature (see Watchmen). Those are pretty understandable criticisms.

Snyder is saying that his criticism is that superheroes will be so damn good at their job that either people will stop looking after themselves or that private companies will use it as an excuse to let people chop their fingers off in the workplace or something. Which is fucking bizarre. The point that I'm really trying to make, though, is that people put time and effort into filming that scene without thinking 'hold on, this is retarded.' Even further, though it didn't make the final cut, Snyder genuinely thinks it was a good scene.

>>81024788
Fire Snyder, for one.

Get people who really care about these characters/comic books to oversee the DCEU. Someone who also knows what they're doing. Say what you want about Kevin Feige, but he's a great businessman and does care about the properties. DC having guys like Goyer that go "haha, Martian Manhunter is for virgins!" working on their movies is a pretty big red flag.

>>81024549
Same. Between Affleck, Terrio, how long they've been supposedly sitting on the finished product, and WW being green-lit so early, I thought someone at WB would've noticed if it was a movie that wouldn't at least hit 60-70%.

>>81024784
If Zack Snyder wants to direct The Fountainhead, he's probably an Objectivist. It figures he doesn't understand superheroes.

>>81024279

The Rock was legit great.

Great action and acting.

Ed Harris and Tony Todd in particular give fantastic performances.

>>81024582
>4 movies before JL
>Rushing
Never mind the JL has been in a number of media that casuals can tell who's who.
We don't need a standalone movie line up to a team up movie. Plenty of ensemble have down well without them.

Because Hawkeye's cameo in Thor made us care for him so much before Avengers. And his stand aline preoared us for tge farm scenes in AoU. We can make someone care about a character within the team up movie.

>>81024788
I steal a few millions and leave for the Bahamas.

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>>81024788
>sell the rights to Disney
>Avengers vs. Justice League movie in 2024
>make approximately 10 fucktillion dollars
Go ahead, try to poke a hole in this plan.
I've invented a machine that prints money.

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>>81024784
he got married after DotD

>B-but Moviebobo said it's bad, so it has to be good. R-right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTKDtoBR-2M

The Marvel wanking is pathetic. He can't come up with a criticism without licking good ol' marvel.

>>81024543
>it lacks the character weight to invest the viewer.


Because his script has no character beats beyond

>RARGH I AM ANGSTY


Snyder has never made a Character-based movie. Fucking hell, he's never even written a worthwhile script.

Before he became a action sequence monkey for hire, he made his name by doing shot-for-shot adaptations of other people's work... and he wasn't even the first guy to do it.

Robert Rodriguiez's Sin City did everything that Watchmen or 300 did, but did it first, and did it better.


So besides, being a knockoff director that gets brought in to copy other people's style and blow up landmarks, he also has the dramatic instincts of a 14 year old boy.


If there's any director that needs to be clubbed into submission by a competent writer, it's Zack Fucking Snyder.


He should team up with kevin smith. Maybe they can make up for each others lopsided incompetence.

>>81024180
The last few Batman animated films have sorta been copy-paste storylines.

Under the Red Hood and Son of Batman are almost the exact same fucking story.

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>>81024784

>>81024277
There you go. Zack Snyder confirmed for Ayn Rand fanboy.

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>>81023489
GET GEORGE MILLER FOR FUCKS SAKE

>>81024788
I suppose I'd "reboot" it, but I wouldn't make new origin stories for Batman or Superman. I might make a Year One type movie for Batman, come to think of it; it'd be pretty hard to convince the WB execs to kickstart the universe with a spearhead that isn't their top two guys. I'd prefer not to though. Give standalone movies to WW, Green Lantern, Flash, etc. Have that build up to the Justice League movie where Batman and Superman will appear.

>>81024857
DC should never have tried a shared universe. It's a formula that relies exclusively on hype and the marketing for both MoS and BvS was garbage

>>81024942
They don't even need to sell the rights for that. Just do a collaboration like Sony did with Spiderman.

>>81023972
>Accelerated timetables

???

They had 3 years between this movie and the last.

>>81024942
>sell the rights to Disney
>make approximately 10 fucktillion dollars
>THAT WARNER BROTHERS WON'T SEE BECAUSE THEY RETARDEDLY SOLD THE RIGHTS

>>81025014
Marketing for MoS was pretty good though, those trailers were god-tier.

I don't know what happened with BvS, second trailer was particularly awful.

>>81024942
>Go ahead, try to poke a hole in this plan.
Only flaw is that WB wouldn't get any money out of it.

>"Investors are planning a major takeover if [Batman V Superman] flops and have plans to install a board that will order the universe to be rebooted."

Good.

>>81024989
FUCK NO!
Keep George Miller out of this cancerous mess.

>>81024886
Really, it speaks to the incompetence of WB as a studio more than anything.

>>81024524
>Begins
Very Batman-y with elements of crime drama, but Batman comics themselves have crime drama in them so it's just Batman-y I guess. Also has elements of whatever genre has far-east ninjas and mountains and shit, also present in Batman comics whenever Ra's is around. Overall, pretty faithful.

>The Dark Knight
Still Batman-y as fuck, but more emphasis on the crime drama elements, because of the focus on Dent and Dawes and the GCPD. Just slightly less superheroy than Begins, but it makes it really distinct from most cape films. Still really faithful.

>The Dark Knight Rises
Feels like he's hardly Batman in it at all and is mostly Bruce Wayne. Toward the end, the action actually takes place during the day, so non-Batman. Bane feels more like a Bond villain than a Batman villain, first being seen in what's probably some Eastern European place (does Eastern Europe even exist in Batman comics? SO NOT BATMAN-Y). Not a lot of the Batman-y elements (Batsignal, Batmobile, etc). Doesn't really feel like a crime drama either, more like this kind of different take on a disaster film mixed with a Rocky film where he gets back up after being beat or something.
Overall, not very Batman-y at all. But I don't give a shit because I think Nolan at this point was allowed to do his own spin on things because he was capping off Batman's character arc and ending the legend in the way he saw fit. You have to do shit non-Batman-y to do new shit. So many staples of Batman today were at one point not.

>>81025082

That's nothing new. The only movie studio that's a bigger fuck up than WB these days is Sony.

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>Green Lantern Corps is on the chopping block

M-maybe next time

>>81024942
The fad on cape movies could be over by 2024

>>81024549
Yeah, I didn't think it would be a good movie at all, but if reviewers eat up stuff like Avengers, I thought BvS couldn't do a whole lot worse.

This isn't a Company Wars thing, so nobody dare start that shit with me, I won't respond. I'm just saying, I thought MoS was mediocre, but in the same league as movies like The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers.

>>81025055
With BvS they had to try and have it both ways. A trailer to convince MoS fans that it was still the same tone, and a second trailer to convince everyone that didn't like MoS that it would be changed to suit their tastes.

This movie never had a chance. It had to be damage control and sequel hooks AND still have time left over to explore the ideological differences between the characters. And even ignoring the fact that the director has never been good with the third, it's really obvious that the studio would be more concerned with the first two.,.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChTqYlDjtI

But seriously though, I haven't seen the film yet and I'll reserve judgment until I do. I'm looking forward to it with cautious optimism. I don't see how people are actually arguing about whether this movie is good or horrible if they haven't watched it yet.

How are you guys shitposting without having seen the film...OH WAIT...

>>81024784
While fun, it was a remake inferior to the original.

This pretty much confirms what most people say about Snyder: he's best when adapting or remaking an existing work.

If the story and character beats and concept are all already there, he's able to lift those thing and shoot them with style.

What he's not good at is creating anything original, ever... not even a pastiche.

Ironically, Sarah Polley went on to direct and write critically acclaimed dramas.

>>81024539
Its already pretty stand alone what more can you do?
Its not setting up anything on par with Cap1 which set up Hydra, the tesseacrt, Bucky, and Cap for starters.
So how can you make it more standalone than what its already is?

>>81024971
>UTRH and SoB were the almost identical
No they weren't...

36 years later, and we still haven't gotten another good Superman movie.

>>81025171
>I don't see how people are actually arguing about whether this movie is good or horrible if they haven't watched it yet.

We have people argue about comics being shit despite not reading them, lets not change a winning formula.

The only way WB can get me to care about the DCEU is to cut ties with Snyder.

After seeing BVS I'm done. I won't see another DCEU movie until Snyder is gone.

>>81024549
I ran a strawpoll on /tv/ before all of the reviews came out (full disclosure: it was after two rotten reviews had come out) trying to get people to predict what the final tomatometer would be. It seemed to me most people voted between 60 and 79. And you gotta take into account that /tv/ is probably going to have a lower opinion than the general pop. I'm astounded it's this low.

>>81025135
GL is DC's F4 in terms of bullying isn't it?

>>81025055
Personally MoS's trailers did nothing for me.

>>81023972
>muh Marvel can literally do no wrong
next time let go of their dick before typing

>>81025079
This.

Please don't ruin Miller, he's too good for this shit.

>>81025095
>implying Batman wouldn't operate in the daytime if Gotham was in a crisis like it was in TDKR

>>81025171
>that gif


ALL I WANT IS A GOLDEN AGE SUPERMAN MOVIE SET IN 1930S SCI-FI METROPOLIS THAT LOOKS LIKE THE MAX FLEISHER CARTOONS

>>81025153
I've yet to see a cape movie that gave me as much joy as Avengers did when I first saw it. TWS is actually my favorite MCU movie, but seeing Avengers for the first time on screen is a whole other thing. Don't get me wrong, in hindsight and on rewatches it's pretty mediocre, but fuck me if it wasn't a great experience the first time I saw it in cinemas. For what it tried to acomplish, I'd say Avengers is one of the better cape movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXPJ6xFvdWk
The footage of people in NY wearing Iron Man shirts and holding Captain America shields left me with a big smile on my face.

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>>81025217
That's the goddamn problem with this place. No one looks at the source material before giving an opinion. I wouldn't mind disagreeable opinions if they were formed after reading or watching. At least they'd be informed. This shit that has been going on since last night is ridiculous. There is no need for more than 2 of these threads to be up, but now we have around 12.

Holy shit, how about we watch the movie first.

>>81023815
Or maybe BvS is really that bad?

>>81024423
If you make a superhero movie it's going to be compared to other films in the same genre. Period. Deal with it.

>>81025314

>WB will never decide to scrap all their live action DC projects and start work on a series of animated films

>>81023972
Snyder is a terrible director who has literally never made a good film. He is an objectivist who is incapable of representing Superman well as a character. I'm not saying you are wrong but:
>bad director
>bad writer
>lead actor given far too much control over a project, including overseeing a rewrite
It's not just a committee thing.

>>81023815
Maybe it is because people saw X-Men, X2, and DoFP???

>>81024508
>spending 8 dollars and 152 minutes on something that could be really terrible

>>81025352
Shit son, if they just put fucking New Frontier on the screen, that'd be a perfect Justice League opener. It'd also put the spotlight on my husbando Hal

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>Tfw nobody believed me when I said the Superman TAS special would be better than this.

>>81025171
Underrated post

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I think that the whole capeshit (botch DCEU and MCU) industry should be burn to the ground ,It doesn't even generate new readers it just make Disney and WB have a couple more of billions in their pockets
Iñarritu is right capeshit is trash and it doesn't do justice to the comics.

>>81025383
New Frontier really would be a fantastic way to do a JL live action movie.

Too bad it's a period piece, and WB wants to make superheroes modern and relevant through gritty faux-realism.

>This clickbait thread

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>>81024423
Yep

>>81023542
i wasnt going to anyway

>>81025400
Yes and all it does is ruin the comics too

>>81025314
>Golden age justice league

>Shazam and all the shazam family

>Superman deflecting meteors before breaking for lunch to receive a parade and a medal

>Wonder woman fightin nazis

>Batman fighting tommy-gun weilding gangsters

>Rocket ships with pointy fins

>>81025420

Isn't WW set during WWI?

>>81025171
we're not arguing whether it's good or horrible. Reviews are a thing and so is public opinion. Whether you personally liked the movie will have no effect on the future of the DCEU

>>81025462
>Snyder talked shit about this guys movie
>Still sticks up for him

Damn, what a swell guy.

>>81025400
Oh shut up, the Revenant had one of the shittiest, most idiotic conclusions imaginable.

>>81025462
the writer of the worst MCU movie has no axe to grind against critics? Mmkay

>>81025400
Nah fuck you, there are still some cape movies that I enjoy. Sure a lot of them are mediocre, but many are still enjoyable.

Just because a movie you anticipated bombed critically doesn't mean everything needs to burn down.

>>81025528
He didn't write IM3 though

>>81023807
>>rewriting a movie that's already finished filming


you know...
now they talking a reboot
or a recast
a new actress to play wondeeeer womaaaan

>>81025382
>being afraid of taking the same gamble everyone makes whenever they go to the movies

>>81025420
>>81025383
Honestly, you could modernise the central plot beats and characterizations present in The New Frontier easily, especially because you'd have more than 75 minutes.

>>81025524
I see your Revenant and raise my Biutiful
>>81025545
I don't mean that all the cape movies are bad I mean that the capeshit industry has been really bad when it comes to quality for the last 5 years.

What other directors primarily make movies for Warner. Other than the ones listed in OP, all I can think of is Alphonso Cuaron.

>>81023489
>"Investors are planning a major takeover if [Batman V Superman] flops and have plans to install a board that will order the universe to be rebooted."
Wait, investors can do that? Like take over a company and put people they want in there? The fuck?

>>81025462
>writer of Thor 2

but thats false, he wrote Thor 1 and X-Men: First Class

>>81024582
You know, if they wanted to do that, they could make a standalone Justice League film pretty easily.

It's 7 characters, 3 of which are cultural icons. You can establish all those in the space of a single film no problem.

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>>81024784
>remake
>zombie horror
>some other third thing

He was never promising.

you know what the worst case scenario would be? If I went to see the movie tomorrow and I actually really dug it. Then I'd just see chaos reign supreme because they pumped out a movie I thought was good.

>>81024163


If Warner thinks about firing someone
They can start with that bitch!

>on /co/
>where "comic book fans" post
>shitting it up with pre-reviews of BvS
>laughing and happy that it's getting shit on
>not being sad or buttmad that this is happening

You're either
1) MAHVELshill
2) you don't like capeshit

And I don't care if don't like capeshit, because most, if not all of you started your love for comics BECAUSE of capeshit. These are the two most iconic characters in the history of comics, and I believe it transcends to other media as well. Literally everyone knows Batman and Superman.

Pretty bummed out 2bh, but I'm still gonna watch it cause RT has always been ass, and I don't allow reviews to judge what I like and don't like.

And I also want to blame Mahvel, because before them, Nolan had made it okay for grimdark superhero movies, well at least Batman. After Mahvel, everyone now expects a light tone, super fight type movie that throws in jokes every so often. Fuck that shit.

>>81025684
it's just the biggest baby response to criticism ever. The director for that Egyptian god movie did the same thing recently. "You don't like X because you decided before you saw X that you hated it!" Fuck off, make a good product and stop making excuses.

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>>81024170


a recast could be a great idea

>>81025362
shhh, you cannot convince the snyderfag

its him against the world

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>>81025694
>some other 3rd thing
Is that a Cracked TV reference?

>>81023542
We really won't get better films. We'll get equally bad films with new directorial names attached, or we'll just get no films at all.

>>81025400
I sort of agree. It's an aggressively oversaturated market at this point and most of the movies aren't even that good once the novelty has worn off.

also tv will always be the better choice of platform for adapting cape comics

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>>81023489
>TFW I want BvS to do well
>But if it fails we might get Miller
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>81025755
But did do that. They turned out to be right but they had a hate against the movie for a number of reasons.

>>81025751
I don't see it that way but we could just settle it in strawpoll

http://strawpoll.me/7164478
http://strawpoll.me/7164478
http://strawpoll.me/7164478

>>81025673
Sure. Investors own the company. Execs work at their behest.

It's not necessarily easy, depending on a corporation's structure.

>>81024788
Scrap it all and make it a 3D animated universe aimed at selling as much merchandise as possible, and see if Dave Filoni is willing to switch sides to direct a few of them. Poach more people from Disney and promote people from within the WB/DC cartoon studios. Bright, rich colours similar to Big Hero 6, the Incredibles etc. Give Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison big writing positions.

Meanwhile Ben Affleck makes his Batman trilogy.

The first wave of films would be
>the Curse of Shazam!
>the Green Lantern
>Wonder Woman
and Superman would make cameos in each one

I don't think it'd make them as much money as what they're doing now but if they aimed for Frozen-level merch sales they could make a killing

>>81025673

Look up Disney some time.

>>81023633
The funny thing is he was one of the five directors on the short list for MoS, and while easily the most talented, his pitch was basically what if Superman was like Dr. Manhattan.

Snyder was the only one with a pitch that resembled classic Superman, so he got the job and we've all been suffering since.

>>81023797
>here is even Wonder Woman for the chicks

Women hate wonder woman though, the same way normal women hate cheerleaders.

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>Taking RT reviews seriously

I didn't go see F4ntastic cause I saw the trailers and they were awful, not cause some hipster critic from LA hated it.

What happened to people forming their own opinions? Did you not watch Birdman to know that critics write rave reviews based on their own premeditated beliefs to make a movie tank if they willed it?

>>81025885
>The Green Lantern

As much as I'd love to see it, he should be a headliner. He needs to show up somewhere else preferably the Flash or something and work his way from there. People still have a bad taste in their mouth from the movie.

>>81025847
Just don't buy a ticket then.
If you wanna see it in theaters sneak in or wait for a decent camrip to appear.

>>81025856
I don't believe it for a second. Even if it were true, which it's not, the onus is on the filmmaker to make a movie that can't be hated.

>>81025673
Do you not understand how a publicly traded company works??? The company *is* the investors. The executives are just employees hired by shareholders to manage business. Often they'll get shares as well, to ensure that they give a damn, but they generally don't own enough to make a difference if they get voted out.

>>81024981
based as fuck Roger

>>81025916
This. I'm kind of a DCkek or whatever so my opinion probably doesn't matter, but I don't understand the obsession with RT scores. I mean fucking Superman Returns and the Dark Knight Rises had a good RT score.

>>81025916
I saw the trailers for BvS and they were awful. Just as bad as the F4ntastic trailers.

The reviews confirm all of my suspicions.

>believing moovies

I mean none of this is unlikely (besides the WW rewrites when it's already wrapped shooting), just lol

>>81025382
No one's stopping you from walking out

>>81024730
From what I remember, she just said "I'm a journalist" not the lady party

I'm going to boycott the fucking hell out of this movie? Who's with me?

>>81025941
I've seen it, most came from having white people as Egyptian gods and the fact these myth based movies don't do very well at least the last couple haven't.

>>81025874
Posts on different threads for the past two days say otherwise anonkun

>>81025970
nah I don't agree with that opinion at all. I hate trailers, I want to go into a movie knowing as little as possible. But how am I supposed to know which movies to see? Boom, a review aggregator site like RT is a god-send.

>>81025751
Why cant I be laughing at how funny fanboys reactions are, but crying on the inside because I wanted this to be good at the same time?

>>81025898
>his pitch was basically what if Superman was like Dr. Manhattan.
That sounds horrible

>>81025916
I've been very skeptical of the movie since seeing the trailers. The reviews do not help.

>>81025798
Spongebob.

>>81026063
that's about where I'm at. Throw in the morbid curiosity about what WB is going to do now that they've apparently built 10 years worth of properties on bad foundation.

>>81025751
Or
3) I don't like Snyder and wish he would get away from DC so they could get a better director

>>81025751
I'm laughing because I FUCKING CALLED IT.

The second I saw the trailer for MoS, I knew it was garbage.

The second I heard that Snyder was behind BvS, I gave up.

I can't even begin to care anymore, but I take satisfaction in being able to call it.

>>81025206
Christopher Reeves was a great Superman/Clark, but the movies weren't good.

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You guys know it's all fake right?

>>81026047
But anon, you're a person, not a critic. WHy wouldn't you see a movie based on what people liked?

>>81024543
Snyder movies are like looking at the sun. It looks really cool in small doses but hurts your head and is more painful the longer you watch.

>>81024665
People said Lucas would never sell star wars too

>>81026166
because I can't see every movie in the world. There are certain movies I will always see regardless of critical response like this one, but the for the vast majority of movies I factor in critical response significantly into whether I'm going to see it.

>>81025653
At least the symbolism of Biutiful was kinda subtle compared to that shitty Oscarbait Bear-rape movie.

>Hurr Durr be visually born 7 times over the course of the movie! So artsy! Nobody's going to notice this shit!

>>81025916
I'm not exactly glowing toward BvS' trailers either

>>81025945
>>81025673
>>81025882
>>81025887

The hilarious part is that you people think investors would throw out the entire fucking board of Time Warner just because of a fuck-up at Warner Bros., their box office/film division. You do realize that the vast majority of revenue for Warner comes from Turner, their cable network division, right?

>>81025916

>what happened to forming your own opinion?
>didnt you learn your opinion from birdman like me?
>stop forming your own opinion on the validity of reviews and share my opinion, which I got from a film

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>>81024137
Meanwhile at Disney

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>>81025971
>Just as bad as the F4ntastic trailers.

Bullshit, BvS never had this

>>81023584
Yeah, to produce.
I was optimistic about this movie but come on... look at the RT scores, look at his track record, look at the spoilers.
Less than 40% is unacceptable, he has made 1 good movie and the spoilers? Jesus.

You know what the worst part is? They had an excellent director ON PAYROLL. Ben Affleck (love him or hate him) is an excellent director who loves the characters.

I guarantee most of us know these characters better than Snyder. I have no problem with Superman killing as a last resort. I don't love it but whatever.

It needs to be retooled. Look at Fox. After X-Men 3 and Origins flopped they learned you can't just rely on name brand recognition. First Class, Wolverine, DoFP and Deadpool have all been at the very least solid both with critics and at the BO.

IMO- here's what they need to do.

Fire Zack Snyder out of a catapult

Push JL

Get Affleck to direct a Batman movie.

Get Miller to do Superman.

Get someone competent for Shazam (it has The Rock in it so it'll make money) make it clearly lighthearted and FUN.

Fucking push back Flash until Lord and Miller agree to write and direct.

Get Duncan Jones on for GLC. Throw money at Elba until he agrees to be John Stewart.

They should have got Coogler for Cyborg but they didn't so make it a Teen Titans movie.

James Wan Aquaman sounds pretty cool but push it because Aquaman=joke.

The medium that's seemed to always give DC characters their fair shake is animation. It's a damn shame that action cartoons on TV died out just around the time that DC could have used it the most.

>>81025171
I saw it. I liked it, but now I'm afraid I was just hyped to see it early. Gonna see it again tomorrow

There were definitely problems, but I wouldn't have guessed that most of even the good reviews would be "meh"

>>81025751
>And I also want to blame Mahvel, because before them, Nolan had made it okay for grimdark superhero movies,
MCU started in the same year than TDK anon, i find pathetic your excuse

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>>81025481
I didn't know how much I wanted this until you told me....damn you anon

d-damn you....

> Snyder is out and Justice League will be delayed 8 months

Fucking good riddance. Then they'll have time and a good director to make a decent movie for once.

>>81026254

>This film should be like Marvel movies is a critic review I take seriously
>Implying critics writing rave reviews is anything new
>I need other people to think for me, and tell me what to think before I can make up my own mind
>I'm practically a brainless sheep is what I am

>>81025352
The public doesn't watch (2D) animated films anymore. WB wants more of that Batman money.

>>81026302
The problem is that I'm not sure anyone would want to direct a batman or justice league movie now.

>>81026329
TDKR even came out 2 months after Avengers, and with great reviews

>>81026329

>MCU started in the same year as TDK

Uh clearly the MCU didn't have damn near the same influence now that it had then.

This what they get for trying to copy the MCU.

Say what you will about the MCU, but it was a huge creative and financial gamble for Marvel. Remember, the first few MCU films were made before they were bought by Disney. They took out a huge loan for Iron Man and Hulk. Those movies fail and Marvel doesn't exist today. They made the MCU to survive, the DCEU is being made just to jump on someone elses bandwagon.

It's clear that the next DC film has to be fan-pleasing the same way Deadpool was to make up for Fox screwing up with Fantastic Four. WB has destroyed all the goodwill Nolan built up with his Batman films. Serious changes need to be made, before WB and DC become more of a laughing stock.

>>81026363

>implying implications

I just thought you were a hypocrite for telling people to form their own opinions while directly referencing something that would influence their opinion (and presumably influenced yours as well)

It's like trying to use propaganda to criticise propaganda, it's silly.

>>81026420
see >>81026396

>>81024363
Snyder, the difference was that in Star War, none of the characters could prevent it and none of them WERE DESTROYING PLANETS.

>>81026457

So critics writing rave reviews is propaganda to you?

>>81026440
That had a movie verse planned for years. Marvel just was about to get theirs out while Warner was still recovering from the writers strike that stopped theirs.

How are there so many fan reviews on RT? Over a 1000.

>>81026568
Lol ok

>>81026448
What can they even do? It just looks like people will look for excuses to shit on them and from what I can see, DC/WB can't even get their shit together to do a good movie animated or live action. I wonder if they'd even consider just saying fuck it to live action and try out an animated approach.

>>81024363
Related.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-zack-snyder-defending-the-end-of-man-1763888746

Snyder trying to use the "real comic book fans know" excuse is funny, considering those are the people most pissed about Superman being a neck-snapper.

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>>81026470

This is a review I just plucked out of TDKR rotten tomatoes page.

>T-t-tooo dark for meee

>>81024363
>“I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.”
Um, yeah, no.

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>>81026624
>It's a dark night indeed

Really? That's the best he could come up with?

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>>81024582
This

And you know what? WB were LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF at Marvel when they said they were doing an Avengers movie. "Why would we put ALL of our IPs in one movie that will make 100 mil when we can make 7 separate ones that will make 100 mil each?!?" And when Avengers cranked it in? Holy shit did they change their tune...

>>81026562

No?

>>81026568
Even if that were true that the 2007 writer's strike, which occurred while Iron Man was already filming by the way, did halt the creation of the DCCU it would have still been after Marvel already started there because Iron Man was already being made and not in some vague planning stage.

>>81026448
>It's clear that the next DC film has to be fan-pleasing the same way Deadpool was to make up for Fox screwing up with Fantastic Four.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Suicide Squad does this.

>>81026659
Truly, they were an Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

>>81026699
>Even if that were true

But it is true.

JL: Mortal was literally a week away from filming when it was shitcanned.

>>81023489
>Wonder Woman is undergoing major rewrites to be more of a standalone film

It already finished filming retard. If you want to make up rumours, at least research a bit.

>>81023971
Their comics are still better than marvels so it's a double edged sword right now. Especially if we get a Tom King batman. That's gonna be rad as fuck.

>>81026448
I think Suicide Squad looks promising. BvS was always that one that worried me.

If, hypothetically, BvS bombs and SS does well, what will the DCEU look like?

>>81026746
Question. If the writer's strike is what caused them to drop JL:Mortal, how? If they were already a week from filming, presumably, the script has already been completed and sent to the actors who have presumably been cast.

>>81023972
So was the Avengers and it didn't shit the bed like this. Things like hover bats, drowning horses and jars of piss aren't something that gets added by executive meddling (haven't seen it so I don't know if the bat and horse things are real). They stuck with their auteur director, a really bad one, and now they're seeing the results.

>>81026782
It's called reshoots. Star Trek Beyond is literally in them right this moment. And that's coming out in like 4 months.

>>81026806
All the D-listers get movies as WB's incompetent management throws it all at the wall in hopes something will stick.

Alternatively, lots and lots of ST sequels. Bad ones.

>>81026855
I'm pretty sure it was more Nolan than the writer's strike. He didn't want another Batman running around at the same time as his.

>>81026855

The script needed perfecting.

>>81026855

On average a third of a movie will be rewritten during production. A lot of time they write placeholder scenes for a script outline.

Dialog is often very subject to change, and reshoots are often necessary to streamline films.

>>81026609
>Linking to io9
Just kill yourself.

>>81026806
Affleck may still be Batman. Eisenberg supposedly has a cameo as Luthor in Suicide Squad.

Gadot as Wonder Woman will depend on how well the Wonder Woman film does.

They might soft reboot it so that there's no reference to Man of Steel or BvS and pretend the films never happened.

I genuinely hope Suicide Squad does well, because it is the same universe and even some of the same characters, but a totally different director and tone. I don't want the DCCU on the chopping block because Snyder is shit, I'd like Snyder on the chopping block and someone better in charge of the universe. If Suicide Squad is well received and makes a ton of money, its success becomes a direct indictment of Snyder who managed to fuck up a movie with two of the most iconic and well loved superheroes in it (and also Wonder Woman).

>>81026706
>I actually wouldn't be surprised if Suicide Squad does this.

Too many characters, and only one potential scene stealer.

The audience will be thrilled when the joker is onscreen and miserable for every moment that he isn't.

DC is hoping for a guardians of the Galaxy hit but I am very skeptical they will pull that off.

>>81024942
>Avengers vs. Justice League movie
What a snoozefest

>>81025900
"normal women" dont hate cheerleaders, crazy bitches hate cheerleaders
well-adjusted women who can appreciate other women in roles of success love wonder woman, even if they dont always like her outfit

>>81024363
I like how he always tries to hide behind this "it was too mature and smart for you" bullshit, when MoS was not a mature or smart movie.

It's like he just thinks anybody who disliked it wanted another Donner film.

I would had loved a mature, serious Superman film. MoS wasn't it.

>>81025751
You seem to forget that there's people who think the movie looked like a huge turd, and feel vindicated that it's being called a huge turd.

They announced it with a quote from TDKR, which is a great comic but a horrible choice of influence for a follow-up to a Superman that was already considered too bleak and depressing. I knew any potential success was ruined with that announcement. Snyder clearly doesn't understand what people like about these characters and I'm glad this film is failing.

>>81026806
>>81026706
SS looks like a surprise hit in the making. The Comic-Con trailer got mad views and was received way better than BvS. SS being a hit would show the DCEU is salvageable and may persuade WB to give Snyder less power over the DC kingdom.

>>81026964
It's got Harley for the waifubait, Joker for the girls and Boomer for the true patricians. I think it outta do well depending on just how serious it is.

>>81024363

By saying stuff like this, he only makes nerds hate him more.

>an insider at WB told us
Nuh uh my dad works at Disney he told me they're buying DC

>>81024277
Zack Snyder sucks, but he's not wrong here.

Ever read Elliot S! Maggin's "Must There be a Superman"? It's pretty much Superman wrangling with the exact same problem and it's considered a classic.

>>81024986
He probably is, but what's Randian about that?

Ayn Rand
>Don't feel compelled to help people because it's immoral to think other people come first because I was scared by the Bolsheviks as a kid and never got over it

This
>Doing the right thing is good, but what if it has bad consequences, like people with power not facing their responsibilities because you're around, this putting the people under them in danger?

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>>81026855
Yep, but on a big production you will have rewrites at various stages.

For real, though, they were so close to making it. There's shots of the cast together with Miller ready to make the film.

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>>81026624
These are reviews Snyder wishes he could get.

>>81026982
>"it was too mature and smart for you" bullshit
It's not bullshit. he really is too smart and mature for the average comic book nerd. If he wasn't then retards wouldn't be complaining about MoS.

>>81026964
>Too many characters
How?

>>81024363
>I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.

Jeez, and to think I defended this guy.

>>81027054
>putting your insider at risk, and letting him lose his job by announcing their name because a guy on the internet doesn't believe you
Catch 22, innit?
Take the high road, never believe anything.

>>81027127
I will be forever butthurt that this got shitcanned.

>>81026373
I think Affleck would want to do a Batman movie. Its like saying Reynolds would never want to do another Deadpool film after Origins. I think they should give creative control over to someone who knows the universe- preferably a team of Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns for the comics side and a good producer for the film side.

There is no DC bias. DC have just made 2 bad movies in a row.

>>81026373
I don't think people would be so quick to perceive Batman and Superman as cancer just yet. At this point we have Donner, Burton, and Nolan who've shown they are beloved, and Schumacher and Snyder who've shown they are toxic. If anything, WB having gone through the cycle more than once just confirms that THEY need to get their shit straight when choosing who is directing. I'd imagine there are countless directors who'd love to take a crack at them. Fuck it. First Class it up. Go back to Batfleck beginning, and start the universe there. Follow it up with present day Flashpoint, MoS and BvS never happened, and follow that up with Superman starting in his 20's instead of 33 since the Kents are changed via Flashpoint to actually be the Kents, and not what Snyder gave us.
The fucking universe is salvageable, and there is so much about this universe that absolutely should be salvaged, but they need to get Snyder, and his obsession with Watchmen philosophy thrown the fuck out yesterday.

>>81027175
Audiences get confused if there are more than two people on screen at once.

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>>81027150
I don't think I saw the same movie they did...

>>81023489
It can still make a billion even if it sucks. Just look at Transformers; all four of them were huge critical failures but they all made shedloads of money.

>>81027329
>I don't think people would be so quick to perceive Batman and Superman as cancer just yet.

As franchises, they're basically unkillable at this point. It's not like Green Lantern, where the character's name is forever marred in the public perception by his one big release. It's like when a bad Bond film comes out; people don't think 'James Bond sucks, I'll never watch another film with him in', they think 'the last James Bond film sucked, I hope this one will be better'. Same here.

>>81026241
Uh huh.

Anon, Time Warner is a group of media companies. Warner Bros. is a studio, and an independent company within the group.

Time Warner is not a single company with a single set of assets. Things that CW own aren't things that Warner Bros. own; that's not how assets work.

The article is specifically talking about Warner Bros., which has its own shareholders, and they will be looking at how WB has managed to have two straight years of fuckups. This is their slate not just for this year but for the next decade - if they're getting it wrong now, the shares will dive, Time Warner's shares will dive for doing nothing about it (as major shareholders of Warner Bros.), and Newscorp will end up owning Time Warner by the middle of next year.

>>81023797
You're probably right about the soft reboot, but it will kill most of the projects they currently have in development. The investor thing is a very real threat at this point - you rest on your laurels on this and before you know it you're MGMing all over the place.

Part of the concern of the shareholders is that WB are putting out ever more expensive movies expecting ever larger grosses, and you just can't expect a billion dollars each time. Last year they were thinking they'd got the perfect start - the Wachowskis, a brand new original franchise with some hot stars, the perfect tentpole movie. Flopped like a motherfucker because it was bad. Franchise dead on arrival when what should have happened according to plan would be the sequel already filming.

They can't afford a third year like this. BvS has to make an absurd amount of money just to break even; if it hurts the gross of Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad, they're fucked and it's Chapter 11 time. So yeah, they'll be looking at who's dead wood.

>>81027329
I think suicide squad and wonder woman would need to come out first and WB really needs a solid plan and creative team preferably mostly from the comics department. I don't think a director is going to want to latch on to a fucked dceu with no plan or support. And if Affleck hasn't signed on to direct a Batman film yet, I doubt he will anytime soon now.

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>>81027150
I think Spectacle is the key word with Nolan films. They're "dark" but they are a really entertaining show which is why they're so goddamn fun.

Like, in Nolan's films Batman a lot of amazing stuff happens, a stadium blows up while the players try to run away from the danger, the Joker does that crazy ass shit with the boats, among others, it's all a big show. I think they said it best in Half in the Bag's review of The Dark Knight Rises, that they seem to go so far just to entertain the audience.

Meanwhile in Snyder's everything's just bombastic, they punch each other and a bunch of shit gets destroyed and a lot of people die and its miserable.

Again, Nolan's show is the "fun" in the argument so many critics keep dropping around, not necessarily stupid one-liners.

>>81027323
I think given the way he's conducted himself over this movie and the problems it so clearly has, there's a good chance he's out even if he's the best part of the movie.

Never let a fanboy loose on the script. It will suffer.

>>81027329
Schumacher's first movie was fine. Even his second has some stronger points than Batman Begins, but overall the effect is not good.

You can't really go to Batfleck beginning because he's 43. With the best will in the world, you're not going to get a whole movie of him looking 20-something without building a CGI Ben Affleck. There just isn't enough vaseline in LA to fix those cracks.

>>81027416
It can, but there's a serious question over whether it will. If it drops off like Man of Steel and Green Lantern did, the strong opening weekend it's predicted for won't do a damn bit of good.

>>81027175
I kinda see where he's coming from.
Even though it's an ensemble movie most of the marketing has been
>HEY LOOK! THE JOKER! HARLEY! WILL SMITH PLAYING WILL SMITH! And uhhh... Shit, hold on... Uhhh... Captain Croc, I think? Never mind the other ones, THE JOKER!

What's the point of a big cast if you're gonna gravitate towards 3 people and let the other ones get fucked?

>>81027624
Pa Kent would be a lot more fun if he'd put on a Bane voice while he's talking about drowning horses and children

>>81026964
>>81027333
I think the Marvel movies have proven that people can learn to like new characters. Hell no one knew about Antman, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and everyone in Guardians and look how popular they've become.

I'll be honest I don't expect SS to do exceptionally well but from the current reaction it has been getting it has a chance.

>>81026262
Did the turret completely banish?

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>>81027624
>I think Spectacle is the key word with Nolan films.

This is codeword for "The Goyer script is asinine garbage, the characterization is awful, but shit explodes real cool"

>>81023489
The thing i noticed most from this is that it has been receiving mixed reviews from CRITICS. Every non critic ive seen has gushed about how amazing it was, and ive seen maybe four or five people talking about how they dislike how serious it is.

>>81027784
Yup.
Quality at its finest.

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>>81027175

Audiences struggle with more than 5 named characters. It is really quite sad.

Even in something like the "hateful 8" we had those idiot women in the audience loudly whispering 'WHO IS THAT GUY AGAIN?" and "WHY DID HE KILL HIM?" And it was that loud raspy whisper that everyone can hear two rows in front and two behind.

I wish I could say that is rare, but no.

tl;dr

Suicide Squad has a fuckhuge roster. Some characters you may be interested in may only be getting 2-3 lines. Meanwhile the casual viewers won't be interested in any of them.

>>81027791
Is Snyder shit at explosions? Should WB actually have hired Michael Bay instead?

Moovie News, the website with the most proven track record in the business.

>Fresh: 36
>Rotten: 59

BRING ME BACK TO LIIIIIIIIIFE

>>81027667
because it's suicide squad and half the point is most of the team members dying?

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Rotten Tomatoes critics consensus
>Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice smothers a potentially powerful story -- and some of America's most iconic superheroes -- in a grim whirlwind of effects-driven action.

What a load of horseshit. This is the least critical and nicest critic consensus for a low scoring movie I've ever seen on that site. This WB using their partial ownership of Rotten tomatoes as a means of damage control.

>>81027809
>Every non critic ive seen has gushed about how amazing it was
Considering that the film isn't even out yet, wouldn't these just be fanboys?

>>81027848
I don't know, anon; the characters are at least visually distinct, so the talkative people who don't pay attention are at least going to be able to bother their friends with names like 'Crocodile Man' and 'Clown Girl' and 'Australian Hobo' and 'Will Smith'.

>>81027329
Flashpoint would be the easiest way to fix this

>>81027416
Two things

1. Yes it "can" make a billion but "will" it make a billion

2. Do you really want your second movie in your universe, the one supposed to be directly competing with Marvel, to be thought of as anywhere close to Transformers?

>>81027914
it's already out in Europe.

>>81027848
REMINDER THAT IF BOOMERANG DIES, WE RIOT

>>81027775

Marvel gets away with it because they don't introduce more than a handful of characters in any one movie.

Guardians was pushing it with a team of 5 new heroes and they were all very distinct from each other. That is the upper limit for what the audience can handle in a cape film.

>>81027934
Exactly. I'm not saying I love the original story, but it's core premise absolutely lends itself to rebooting the universe more organically than Kitty Pride using her amped ability to move Wolverine backwards in time.

>>81027910
Honestly, from what I'm hearing it sounds accurate

All show, no substance but it had potential that it completely fucked up.

>>81027914
Fanboys and friends of the filmmakers.

>>81028007
Age of Ultron was pretty bloated.

>>81028007
>Guardians was pushing it with a team of 5 new heroes and they were all very distinct from each other. That is the upper limit for what the audience can handle in a cape film.

I don't think that there's an upper limit overall, just an upper limit for main characters.

I think that you could have a Batman film with at least 3-4 Batfamily members and 4-5 rogues appearing without the audience getting confused. Audiences will let more slide than you think.

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>>81024363
>I was trying to grow up their character.

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>>81027695
I don't think they even had to have Pa Kent being such a downer. It's ok to have parents being loving and nice, it'd been a nice contrast from the rest of the movie.

>>81028048
That's a crossover movie with four films of hype behind it to begin with. It's supposed to be bloated

>>81027972
You're right, my mistake.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/releaseinfo

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>>81023972

Grant Morrison tried to warn us.

>>81025924
introducing gl in the flash movie and setting up their friendship would be the best thing for GL if they're not putting him in JL1

>>81028048

Not to the point where the characters lost.

People complain a lot about Ultron, but that had nothing to do with the character count.

Vision and the twins were well presented and recieved, to the point where a lot of people where pissed they wasted Quicksilver like that.