>Batman Kills Am I the only one whos heard this? What the

>>81021592
worse, this batman has no neck

>>81021624
That's his greatest defense against the Man of Murder

>>81021592
Daily reminder that older golden age batman had no problem with killing or using guns. Those two traits didn't show up till the silver age.

>>81021592
Batman and Robin killed henchmen in Robins debut issue.

>>81021774
Ya and he only stopped killing when everyone got there panties in a bunch.

>>81021774
Actually about two years after he was created but hey that counts as the silver age right?

>>81021592
Because he's the Goddamn Batman.

>>81021592
>How is the joker or anyone else even alive in this universe?

That is a good question. A question that Snyder wasn't concern with because he just wanted to make something that looked cool.

>>81021592
Out of curiosity, how does Batman kill in BvS? Is it like the Burton movies or is the killing acknowledged?

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>Keaton 2.0

>>81021592
>Batman not killing is one of the fundamantal ideals of his character.
More like the fundamental ideal of the perpetual status quo machine. Honestly Batman being pragmatic when it comes to killing makes a lot more sense.

>>81021592
People will defend it too.

Superman also apparently kills some criminal at the start of the movie too. Even though he doesn't need to.

I'd really like to hear the specifics of what happened.

>>81022429
>Honestly Batman being pragmatic when it comes to killing makes a lot more sense.
Not really considering he is insane.

>>81021592
He doesn't kill

>>81021985
Snyder is a goddamn genius.

The funny thing is all they needed was a single scene where they address that what happened to Robin pushed him over the edge and that Superman ends up pulling him back from the edge.

That's all you needed Snyder. Please tell me you put it in the R-rated cut

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>>81021592
I don't have a problem with this at all. Batman's no kill rule not something that makes up all versions of Batman. There have been plenty of versions of Batman where he kills random goons. Take Batman 89 for an example. There's no problem with that since a no kill rule is not established. The only time Batman killing people is a problem is when the no kill rule is established. In Batman Begins, they push Batman not killing to the core let he killed Ra's.

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>Batman does not kill
>Batman does not use guns
>Batfleck apparently does both

What the fuck is this shit?! If DC isn't even going to respect their own source material then why the fuck should I care about their movies?!

Yeah, it's almost like Snyder has no idea how these characters should act.

Right Zod? Oh. Right. Never mind.

>B-but he killed during the golden age!
hahahaha this damage control is glorious

Yeah, and Superman used to shoot tiny supermen out of his fingers. You people would defend that as well.

>>81022786
he only uses guns in Knightmare unless you care about vehicles having guns.

He does kill though

>>81022786
He doesn't use guns, he just does this
>>81021985

BTW how did people react to Begins?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyNgMW8ET8k

>>81021592
>implying Batman doesn't kill
kek, even in the cartoon he kills some dude to save his ass
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aWLS4UAdgo

>>81022498
A terrorist threatens Louis so superman flies into him and smashes him through several walls.

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>>81021592

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh considering this iteration of Batman is entirely based on Frank Miller's work, that doesn't come as much of a surprise.

He *shouldn't* kill, but the rules are pretty malleable for ol' Zack it seems.

>>81022901
Parademons aren't people

>>81022931

Racist!

>>81022820
I agree that Batman refusing to kill his villains is central to his character now and that the change was for the better.

Why is Batman holding an assault rifle in the commercials? That can't be a good sign.


>>81022923
I feel that only works in the context of his return after his fall from grace. He's too old not to shoot people in Dark Knight Returns. That's why he stopped.

>>81022967
That's from the Knightmare

>>81021592
>or a scrawny WW

Oh man /v/ casuals are out in full force

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>>81021774
>every retard ever mentions the first couple of comics he was ever in
>this somehow means shit versus the other 74 years he's been written
OP brings up a good point. If Batman just gun downs mercenaries in this world, how the fuck does he have an actual rogues gallery?

Fuck me, can Snyder do ANYTHING right?

>>81022985
t. necrophile

>>81021592
DKR, bruh. Try reading a comic sometime.

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>people will actuall defend Batman's no killing rule
Top kuk

>>81022931
Wow Anon I can't believe how insensitive you are, holy shit.

>>81023041
Maybe the first person he killed was the Joker. who's now actually Jason Todd

>>81023055

You don't know what that word means do you?

>>81021774
Okay but if Affleckman is killing people then why is the Joker alive for Suicide Squad?

>>81021592
>How is the joker or anyone else even alive in this universe?

Who says he hasn't tried to kill the Joker?

>>81023095
A skellington fucker.

Miller fags Gtfo! Dark Knight Returns isn't even cannon.

>>81023041
>how the fuck does he have an actual rogues gallery?
Maybe they live in a world where Batman is actually useful and effective.

>>81023190
Not if the Joker's still around. Unless you want to believe it's Jason Todd as the New Joker.

>>81023113
Well we know he's in SS so he had a prime opportunity to kill both him and Harley there.

Also Killer Croc, Deadshot and Hugo Strange are in the movie too. So Snyder Batman is just really fucking incompetent.

Why are people so dedicated to defending these horrendous depictions of their favorite characters? I mean sure, maybe they are well-acted in some parts, but if Batman kills and Superman is just jesus then what's the point of seeing them on the big screen? These aren't the characters you have read about and love. They're something completely different.

Why defend Snyder fucking up? Just to win "company wars"?

>>81023142

Oh so you're retarded. And where was anything mentioned about fucking you porn addict?

Nolan Batman killed. Why are you bitching about it now?

>>81023233
Basically. Up until a day ago, this board was boiled down to "if you don't like Snyder's movies, you're a Marvelfag"

its fucking sad, even MCUfags can admit there are a couple of bad movies in there

Welcome to the year 1989.

>>81023293
and it was fucking stupid then too

>>81023293
Because /co/ NEEDS to bitch about something

>>81023316
Too bad he didn't kill the Joker like 1989 Batman

>>81023244
I'm not even that guy but you do understand how sometimes things aren't meant to be taken 100% literally right?

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>>81023393

"Scrawny WW" isn't a valid criticism and throwing out words you just learnt like "necrophilia" isn't a rebuttal.

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>killed in '89
>killed in Returns
>killed in Begins
>killed in TDKR

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>Bat of Murder will be the new meme that'll sweep /co/

>>81022659
Nah, R-rated version consist of Lois Lane showing off her nipples during bathtub scene.

>>81023218
>So Snyder Batman is just really fucking incompetent

Perhaps he just kills by necessity. Blowing somebody up with the batmobile during a chase scene where he is being shot at by a gatling gun is different from murdering a villain once he's already incapacitated.

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>>81021985
Depends on what happens next. Does batman shoot people or just put holes in the wall, scaring them?

>>81023468
He kill in TDK too.

>>81023466
Like I said I'm not that anon jackass. All I'm saying is that being unable to interpret words in ways other than their literal meaning is an actual sign of autism.

>>81023468
>/tv/ shit is canon

>>81023218
Actually you know what, let's go down the track record:

1966 Batman
Doesn't kill, but the villains didn't really kill anyone

Status: Effective

Burton Batman
Kills, Joker and Penguin are dead

Status: Effective

Schumacher Batman

Two-Face is killed in self-defense, Joker and Penguin still dead.

Status: Effective

Nolan Batman:

Doesn't kill (but lets Ra's die). Joker isn't killed but he doesn't do shit post-Dark Knight.

Status: Kind of effective?

Snyder Batman:

Kills, yet Joker, Croc, and Harley are alive.

Status: Possibly ineffective

>>81023641
>capeshit
>canon

>>81023055
What's this "t. ____" I keep seeing here?

>>81023577
That scene is recreated, with KGBeast holding the hostage. He shoots him with the M60

>>81023731
>Le autism buzzword
I'm not using it as a buzzword I'm using it in its actual meaning. "autistic groups performed worse than controls at complex language tasks such as figurative language, comprehension and inference."

Necrophile > fucker of dead people > skeletons are dead people > Gadot looks like a skellington

You can act superior all you want but you still on the spectrum bruh.

BAT OF MURDER

>MUH RUBBER BULLETS
>MUH RUBBER EXPLOSIONS

The problem isn't that Batman kills, the problem is that Batman kills and yet somehow still has criminals or a Rogues Gallery at all AND is apparently a veteran

So basically, this guy should just be killing everybody he fights and not having a problem at all

It's okay because he just kills henchmen, henchmen don't count.

>>81023293
He didn't kill, he just didn't save

>>81023969

Nice projection but I'm afraid you're all alone here.

>>81024016
Didn't he push Two-Face off a roof? Or am I misremembering?

>>81023989

So, basically a DC Punisher.

>>81023989
just because he kills few henchmen in self defense during a chase sequence doesn't mean he is a serial killer murdering any bad guy he stumbles into.

>>81024042
>projection
Now look who learned a new word.

>>81023969

I'd say making super shitty metaphors and expecting people to follow them is pretty autistic.

>>81021592
I remember reading that every Batman equipment, as Brutal as it is, are not lethal, and Batman makes sure he doesn't kill.

I don't know, if he takes someone elses gun i will understand, but people are saying that he takes the Batwing and start killing people.

My guess is that Batwing has rubber bullets, but who knows. It's probably on the Batman v Superman Tech Manual

Its my understanding that robin was murdered by joker and this basically threw batman over the edge. However this is never actually sat down and addressed in any dialogue. All we get is the shot of the robin costume vandalized by joker.
Now you can argue about golden age and silver age batman all you want but most runs of batman have him at least have issue with killing people. Its a major let down of the character and as Ben Affleck is a fan of batman I just dont see how he allowed this since he apparently changed some shit. ESPECIALLY batman using hand guns or rifles.
Maybe he is a golden age batman fan or something? But it still doesnt change the fact that this changed fundamental aspects of the character's philosphy of maim but dont kill and no guns
Its just...unfortunate

>>81024105

Lol this is beyond stupid. You claim you're not that guy yet here you are defending him with all your life so you can post that buzzword line about autism and references here.

Backtracking here for a second, what are you even hoping to achieve? You just wanted to be a keyboard warrior and call me autistic? Okay kid you achieved your goal, what else do you have to offer to the discussion or was that it? You projecting your insecurities onto me?

>Gal Gadot is skinny as WW therefore you're a necrophile

What a huge leap. That can't even be classified as a joke. If you said this in a group of people irl you'd just get awkward silence and it's you who'd be classified as having social autism.

>>81024183
I hear they took the time to mention the business day had ended when fighting moved into a building and that an island was uninhabited or something when the fight moved there. You'd think the have mentioned rubber bullets too.

>>81021592
It fits within the "established" universe. he's just like keatonbats with the killing so unless you didn't like that I don't see the issue.

>>81022701
Man, remember when we were confused by that scene in the trailer so we came up with the theory that Lex got control of the batwing and started killing people to make Batman look like a maniac?

>>81024211
>If you said this in a group of people irl you'd just get awkward silence and it's you who'd be classified as having social autism.
There are a lot of jokes that are inappropriate in real life. This one was easy to get though since everyone here has been calling here a skeleton sinc she was cast.

>what are you hoping to achieve
I could ask you the same question but for me literally nothing. I just don't like you. You seem like you're always 30 seconds away from saying you're a navy seal and you're coming to get me.

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>post yfw Batman and Superman were both controlled by Darkseid all along
what a tweest

Can you /tv/ assholes stop spamming spoilers and keep it to one thread?

>>81024087
So why didn't he kill the Joker?

>>81024349
The issue is this isnt a stand alone title with a one off Batman. This is setting up the entire DCEU and many of the characters and if they are willing to change a core part of who batman is in an overwhelming amount of his comic book runs then it does not send a good message that they are going to keep true to the source material at all. They already went with a pretty grimdark superman instead of the smart and educated smalltown guy he is. Aquaman looks like they ignored the character and just went with the Justice League cartoon one bit thats just design and we havent seen him in action so who knows? But Jason MoMao doesnt really strike me as capturing the good natured personality of aquaman

>>81023058
It's part of his character. Wether you agree or don't. I will defend Batman's no-kill rule. But still love seeing Punisher taking bad guys out.

>>81021592
Of course he kills, man. How could he not? It was obvious as soon as the movie was announced.
Superman is the big blue boyscout. Batman is the darker more pessimistic Byronic hero. Snyder tried "fixing" Superman and sliding him into the Byronic hero role. Therefore, the ONLY way to preserve that contrast of tones and ideologies in a sequel to Man of Steel is have Batman kill and maim people.

And I'd maybe even be okay with that ,except it begs the obvious question that Suicide Squad needs to answer now.

>>81024075
He did. But he retired for eight years after that (mostly due to injuries, but he could have just slapped that magic leg brace on if he really wanted to).

>>81024756
maybe he was stopped by Gordo .

>>81023098
He is not only alive, Batman actually cameos in SS to get the Joker.

And the joker probably survives that movie. What gives?

>>81021950

id imagine those .50 cal machine guns on the batmobile probably have something to do with it

in any case, the whole argument that golden age batman killed is pretty stupid - modern batman and the iteration this film version is based off is nothing like the golden age character save for name and general appearance

>>81021592
I thought him killing would be the deal-breaker for his relationship with the GCPD! Does that get brought up at all?

>>81022701

>Guy vanishes out of the truck at the very last moment

Flash?

>>81025245

maybe his cameo in SS is a flashback before Batman goes crazy after Jason Todd's death?

>>81025499
Nice catch. It's ether intended or like the rest of the movie horrible edits.

>>81021774
So did Superman.

>>81024889
That's a fucking stupid reason to have Batman kill but I'm pretty certain that's why they had him kill people.

>>81023213

It makes Joker still being alive an even odder proposition. Or any of his rogues, really.

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>>81021592
He used guns and killed people in the Tim Burton Batman movie. Then again, the movie was better than Nolan's entire trilogy.

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LOL you fags are actually butthurt that he kills in the movie? Why is anyone surprised? This is Miller's Batman brought to life. He acts the same way he did in TDKR with the brutal methods of All Star. He rams through some thug cars during a chase just like pic related, he even has the same facial hair.

>>81026125
That's a grappling hook gun, anon.

Don't be stupid.

>>81021592
Every film version of Batman for the last 40 years has killed people.

>>81026137
That's police force he rammed through.
All-Star Batman & Robin is a turd.
Not a high ceiling point to begin with.

>>81024614
>I just don't like you

And you accuse me of having autism. Damn kid....

People will defend this. Anytime and I mean anytime there is a new Batman movie and the Batman goes against the comic Batman people will cite examples from a single issue or arc and say all that man's done this before Batman's done this before people will defend Batman no matter what people will defend this. Anytime and I mean anytime there is a new Batman movie in the Batman goes against the comic Batman people will cite examples from a single issue or arc and say all Batman's done this before Batman's done this before people will defend Batman no matter what he does.

>>81027158
I know it's a patrol car in the comic but the movie is the same thing recreated with some mooks

Batman is literally one step away from being a criminal himself Batman doesn't kill because if that man killed someone he would basically become a criminal and become like the Joker so he holds himself to a higher standard than criminals and refuses to kill

>>81022429
Batman killing would actually limit his productivity since the GCPD would be on his back fucking constantly. The only reason Batman is even half as productive as he is is because the GCPD secretly condones his actions.

Guess I'll just echo that if that IS the case, Batman shouldn't have a rogues gallery in the DCEU! Unless he only kills thugs and street punks but locks up supervillains.

>>81022923
Miller Batman never killed you goddamn retard

>>81027158
All-Star is a parody

>>81026030
>That's a fucking stupid reason
Welcome to Snyderverse man.
Every single time something leaks or someone says they're going to do something one of you guys goes "That's fucking stupid they'd never do that" and that's ALWAYS what ends up happening.

How short memories have gotten. I remember when people were saying "There's no way they'll do Doomsday. That's fucking stupid."

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He used the machine gun in The Dark Knight Returns.
This is based on that.
Jesus /co/ Read a fucking comic you nonces.

>>81023577
>>81028923
Why don't you

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>>81028923
Rubber bullets. Honest.

And the big Joker finale is the Joker taking the piss out of Batman because he couldn't kill him even after mass killing a bunch of children.

Joker has to kill himself so that the police will hunt him for murder.

SON OF KRYPTON

VS

BAT

OF MURDER

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>>81028986
You don't neck-snap.
MEN neck-snap.

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>>81028979
Well, Nobody said Miller was a genius, I don't know why people think that Batman is like Supes. He's not.
Man Of Murder was a big deal because it was Superman.
"BAT OF MURDER" is retarded, Because he's always killed people.

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>>81023973

Man of Murder vs Bat of Murder fight to death in the blunder of the century

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>>81029068
Well if Snyder-verse Batman is a killer who rules the night by fear,
It barely makes sense for him to be super-upset at Superman for being a killer who rules the day by fear.

>>81021957
He blows up a jeep where a guy is firing a heavy machinegun at his bat aircraft, it killed ATLEAST that guy. Then there are a few more cases of fighting guys, their grenades are dropped, and thus two more mooks explode.
There are ofcourse several cases of "beaten so bad they are probably dead" but that's the kind of stuff you handwave in batman stuff.

>>81029059

I don't care if this is a dream sequence or not, I still think Batman looks fucking stupid in that outfit in that environment

>>81021774

golden Age Batman who killed was willing to kill the Joker though.

>>81029142
He used a bat teleport to move him out of the way, in case the rubber explosion caused any serious damage. >>81022701

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>>81029139
Context is needed here. He could be teetering on the edge as another anon has said, Why Snyder has left it out, I'll never know. But it's strange, I'll give you that.

>>81028636
>Kills thugs
>Doesn't kill the Joker
That'd just be backwards, even for Batman.

>>81021592
Batman has killed in every live action movie series at least once.
Little late now to start freaking out about it.
Either way these threads are just bait, but whatever I've already typed this so might as well send.

>>81021592
>Being this shocked that a Batman movie that's inspired by the Dark Knight universe kills

>>81023664
Technically 1966 Batman and Robin killed those guys that were evaporated and re-hydrated with heavy water, causing them to explode when they were punched by the unknowing Dynamic Duo.

>>81029139
What's interesting is that at least one of the reviews points this out but everyone ignores it because there was a review next to it that used the F word.

>>81021592
First of all, Joker is his waifu.

And second, he didn't kill anyone.

Are you buttmad because the Russian got blown up because of his own stupidity?

>>81028649

>what are 'rubber bullets'
>what is Batman toting a machine gun
>what is the entirety of All Star Batman & Robin

And don't even try to tell me Zack Snyder wouldn't like All Star Batman & Robin. Right up his alley.

>>81021668
kek

>>81029714
Probably entirely true, he shot the wall behind the mook, and a parody that people interpret unironically for some reason

Batmans no kill rule has kinda been done to death in film

He's already boring as shit no need to make it worse

>>81029812
Batman always kills in the films though

>I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you

What did he mean by this?

>>81029812
That's only been a thing in the Nolan films and even there he finds a way to kill some people.

>>81029866
>Later bitch!

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HE DIDN'T KILL ANYONE IN THE MOVIE. CRITICS ARE FUCKING DUUUMB.

HE'S JUST REALLY, REALLY VIOLENT. THE ONLY SCENE THAT HE MIGHT HAVE KILLED PEOPLE IS WHEN HE'S TRYING TO SAVE SUPERMAN'S MOM AND PILOTING THE BATWING WHILE GUNNING LEX'S THUG'S CARS, BUT YOU NEVER SEE ANY BODY. IT'S ONE OF THOSE DEALS WHERE YOU CAN SAY THAT THE GUYS WERE HURT OR MANAGED TO ESCAPE.

Sorry for the caps, i'm just tired of dealing with this shit. People are talking as if he is doing mass-shooting in the movie or something.

>>81021592
i honestly dont get how anyone is surprised that he kills. they have said he kills in the movie before it came out. should he kill? i really dont know, if only because how does he kill small time crooks but lets someone like the fucking Joker alive? sounds kind of stupid for "the world's greatest detective"

>>81029937
And here we have the guy that, immediately after Man of Steel's release, was in the denial phase and insisting that all the buildings had already evacuated back when the World Engine went off and nobody died at all.

>>81029937

He openly killed people in the nightmare sequence as well but that kinda doesn't count

>>81029890
It was a plot point in Batman Forever too.

>>81029982

Sure, you can say that some dudes died from concussions, ruptured organs and shit from Batman's violence, because he's really violent in the movie but other than the Batwing scene and >>81030014 he doesn't really sadistically kill or mutilate bodies like the reviews have been saying. That shit is pure lie.

>>81030054
That's true, but he ends up indirectly killing Two-Face anyways.

>>81029937
Yes, I'm sure the guys in that piece of shit car he dragged through the streets at high speeds, ramming into concrete barriers before launching it into the air to drop it down on another vehicle did not result in any loss of life in that particular vehicle.
And those guys standing on the turrets on the backs of pick up trucks he shredded with the chain gun are totally fine, too.

>>81021909
That's still the Golden Age. The silver age started in 1956 with Showcase #4 the first appearance of Barry Allen.

>>81030091
I'm pretty sure at least one guy died from a bad case of "exploding car"

>>81021624
How is Wonderwoman ever supposed to fight him then?

>>81021592
Seriously? No one gave a shit when Batman killed Two Face at the end of The Dark Knight, but when Batman and Superman kill one guy, everybody loses their minds

>>81023886
Not him anon.

>>81030122
And straight-up killing TwoFace in TDK.
Which is a hell of a dumb thing to do, considering they spent the whole movie having Batman find ways to try and stop Joker without killing.

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The entire point is that he's beyond that shit.

He's older and doesn't give a fuck.

>>81030237
Which is completely missing the point of TDKR which they seek to emulate

>>81030195
Batman DID retire for eight years after killing Two-Face.

>>81023664

>Nolan Bats doesn't kill

>Pushed Harvey to his death
>Shooting at truck killed Talia
>Probably ended up killing that prisoner and several assassins during his hissy fit

>>81029937
>People are talking as if he is doing mass-shooting in the movie or something.
fucking hell anon, too soon

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>>81030237
allow me to rephrase then anon:

>Batman kills.
>Joker isn't dead.
Do you see the issue here? Unless they seriously are going to do that Jason Todd is Joker II fanwank.

>>81030122
Yeah I know. But he's ended up killing in every Batman movie apart from B&R.

>>81023468
Tim Burton didn't give a shit about batman that's why, but hey if you want to admit Zack don't care either far enough nobody making dc movies cares

>>81023664
66 Batman Kills in the movie.
3 henchmen who were dehydrated to dust and then rehydrated to SURPRISE Batman and Robin,
But they are rehydrated wrong, and when they are punched by Batman the goons instantly explode.

An accidental kill, yes, but considering this is the same Batman who solved every riddle at first try as well as once survived being killed by a musical punchcard machine by yelling the exact notes for the punchcard machine to go around d himself and Robin While the machine broke the ropes for him
Batman could have seen that the henchmen were physically unstable if he had wanted to.

>>81030511
I think Joker was arrested, then he found out he had killed Jason. Maybe that's what the "Jokes on you" on the Robin suite if for, you caught me but I killed your partner. It's probably what made him finally say fuck it. Comics Jason would be so proud.

So what's to become of the next line of batman movies will he kill or what? it's now impossible to have that one rule stipulation

Batman doesn't kill, he just horrible maims and cripples you to the point where you wish you were dead.

The next Arkham game should have a "paraplegics created" stat.

christopher nolan batman is in an empty universe where the world is normal

batflec batman is in the standard universe with an old jaded batman. fucking naturally he got overt the no kill rule once he lost a couple robins duh.

Hope this isn't true.

>>81031365
Shouldn't that mean he kills Joker and Harley in Suicide Squad?

>>81033020
It's true, but as already pointed out, it's vehicle kills. The Bat-Jet machine gunning the vehicles of Lex's paramilitary forces, etc. You see it in the trailers. He's not killing street criminals.

It's like Batman in 89 blowing up that chemical factory when people were obviously inside it, Batman firing on the truck carrying the nuke in TDKR and it killing the driver, etc.

>>81030932

The thing is dead people cant wish that they were alive, even if cripple. Cos you know, they're dead.

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>>81021592
Casuals I've talked to don't even know Batman has a no-kill rule In fact one brought up he liked Batman (as opposed to other capes) because he kills criminals, which begs to question where he got that idea..
And really for a guy this violent the only reason he ever upholds his rule is because somehow it's much harder to cause life-threatening concussions by punching in the DC universe.

All in all, who gives a shit, it's an Elseworlds, I'm sure there are other issues than "not muh" in this movie.

>>81033303
maybe he has, batflec has magic in universe (which is awesome).

maybe this jokers actually dick grayson

>>81033429

>He's not killing street criminals

You're right, he's killing security guards.

>>81029139
>him to be super-upset at Superman for being a killer who rules the day by fear.
I thought his thing was Superman is dangerous because his collateral cause buildings to collapse, not any moral objection to his vigilantism per se.

>>81029937
>YOU NEVER SEE ANY BODY. IT'S ONE OF THOSE DEALS WHERE YOU CAN SAY THAT THE GUYS WERE HURT OR MANAGED TO ESCAPE.
Wasn't MoS indication enough that this isn't enough for people to assume nobody died?
I'm personally a bit tired of that deal. Either you don't put people in situations where they clearly should die or you grow the balls to show them dying.

>>81033571

Yeah but they're bad guys

>>81030587
Robin "kills" Poison Ivy, doesn't he?

>>81030180
The anon was obviously being sarcastic.

>>81021985
Good idea and visual but Hack Snyder better step up his directer skill otherwise all of his of his future work will be shit.

>>81022701
Are they going to live?

>>81022786
In this particular else world adaptation as with many others, he kills. Whats the issue with it? Havent you see any previous version that kill?

>>81023041
He probably doesnt if the situation demands it.

He just left the Joker alive because he wanted to prove a point most probably. 100% his no killing rule in this universe only applies to the Joker so he doesnt feel like he lost against him.

>>81021592
There's only one film that has had a Batman that doesn't kill.

Batman and Robin.

>Batman: Kills Joker.
>Batman Returns: Kills Penguin's thugs.
>Batman Forever: Pretty much kills Two-Face.
>Batman Begins: Killed all those League of Shadows guys
>The Dark Knight: Killed Two-Face. Again. Accidentally this time, at least.
>The Dark Knight Rises: Literally shoots Talia's truck until she and her driver die.

>>81027610
This and I like what Geoff Johns said in Earth One book 2-- Batman doesn't kill because he doesn't want a criminal to ever legitimately blame him for taking their parent. He doesn't want to create an anti-batman.

And I like Snyder's "living gotham" point-- If batman killed his rogues the city would simply send worse people to replace them.

And finally, I just don't like Batman killing.

>>81037063
Its just a marketing tool so they can keep reusing the same characters and selling toys. Dont be deluded. Your explanation of the living city is just retarded. In fact I would make Batman kill just to avoid such stupid explanation.

There is nothing more behind it than keeping up the status quo. Also keep in mind this is an elseworld. Who cares if Batman kills in an elseworld?

>>81022429
I liked the interpretation that Batman could never cope with the mortality of his parents or death in general.

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So will Bats's solo not be Red Hood?

>>81037401
Was that the kevin smith batman book?

I like batman and the no kill rule, but it is true that Todd made a good point. I don't know why it took batman so long to decide on paralyzing the joker or just a nasty fracture that wouldn't heal well.

Has anyone explained why a cop hasn't just shot joker while in custody? Would a jury convict a cop if he shot joker? "Oh... I thought he was reaching for my gun..."

>>81022786
>>81022820

>>Batman does not kill
>>Batman does not use guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_efDWJYOVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRojsX3sK8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3EBVSJuazg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eiz6Oq2nd0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ti8_yXdsFo

Autism. Srs business.

>>81024016
He unashamedly murdered Talia's driver, killing her in the process.

>>81037613
To be fair, that first one isn't Bruce.

Batman as a killer is just scary. He knows where to hide the bodies and how to cover evidence. The police expect him to be on the scene of the crime and handle evidence so they wouldn't put 2 and 2 together for a long time.

>>81037156
Geoff Johns Earth One is an elseworlds too. Killing off a villain doesn't mean you need to stop selling toys. Batman doesn't kill because that's in his character. Yes, it helps maintain the status quo, but they could have Batman keep his code and have the villains in comics die from other convenient ways.

>>81037711

Talia died from the crash, not Batman!

>>81037913
Agreed, like in RIP he and Hurt were trapped in sinking helicopter and he thought to himself the only thing he was required to do was untangle hurt from the rubble, but he didn't have to bring him up for air.

So long as it's framed as something he's only started doing in his later years after most of his rogue's gallery was locked up and he was just an angry old man I'm fine with it.

Even better if it becomes a part of his character arc over the franchise that Superman vowing to not kill inspires him to do the same again as a pseudo-redemption arc.

>>81038261
As someone who is probably too into Batman, the idea of Batman having a redemption arc is a turn-off. The idea of Batman being inspired by Superman would be terrible.

But the first thing you say is reasonable.

>>81036784
>Whats the issue with it? Havent you see any previous version that kill?

The No-Kill rule is a defining trait of Batman. Most elseworlds uphold it, and the ones that don't are generally poorly concieved.

>>81038261
It's not even in the movie as some acknowledged thing. It's hands off detached violence since Bats is just blowing up vehicles. That happen to have people in them.

Towards people he's just a lot more brutal than normal. Like that shit in the Arkham games where he's basically beating up people so bad they'll need to spend a year relearning how to walk, but that's ok because he's not killing them.

>>81038647
>Tim Burton movies are bad because anon said so
>Nolan movies are bad because anon said

Ok

>>81021592

Holy shit can you people think for yourselves? Who cares what the ratings are, if you so interested in seeing it that you are spending time to check its review and then post on a website asking other people's opinion just spend the 10 bucks and see it when it comes out and forget wasting all this time before hand.

Just because a bunch of critics say it fucking blows doesn't mean its true. Movies are an art form and art is subjective. Every single person on earth can say a movie is awful but their opinion is no more valid than yours.

>Thomas Wayne
>Early years Batman stories that are no longer cannon
>Shitty movies that don't count
>Frank Miller shit that was never cannon
>Snapping the Jokers neck in a dream sequence of a non cannon story

Fuck off faggot.

>Has anyone explained why a cop hasn't just shot joker while in custody? Would a jury convict a cop if he shot joker? "Oh... I thought he was reaching for my gun..."

This. Joker is a notorious cop killer and there's no way someone with a badge doesn't take the law into their own hands, especially considering how dirty the cops are in Gotham.

"He had a knife in his pocket so I shot him in self defense."
"He was escaping so I opened fire"


Would be pretty easy to get away with.

>>81024016

He blew up that house full of ninjas hilariously killing that guy he refused to kill in the first place

He's not on Snyder levels but Nolan is a fucking hack

I hate myself for saying that, but I could see it being fine considering we are talking about a Batman who's seen some shit and is more unstable that he has ever been.

That said, if they don't hint at him having a code before, and that he is going back to it now, now that's fucked up. Get away from my heroes Snyder.

>>81040343
i just got back from watching it and they basically destroyed batman
it's easily the worst version of him i ever seen
first, they treat him as a nobody, in the dc universe people barely know batman(or bat thing which is the name they use most)
second, he's not smart at all, alfred does all the job and bruce is just a commom thug beating and killing people whenever he wants

>>81021774
>Daily reminder that older golden age batman had no problem with killing or using guns

That-s what casuals that never touched a golden age comic say

>>81040417

>literally TDKR in reverse, with Bats portrayed as a thug and a tool and Supes as a misunderstood hero

Based

Too bad TDKR wasn't actually like that, and was plenty sympathetic to both Superclark and Batbruce

>>81040460
>Supes as a misunderstood hero

Supes is actually a much bigger asshole than Bats is

>>81037401
>Jason doesn't just shoot the Joker before Bruce arrives

Despite every explanation I will never get this.

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>>81040581

Because he's doing the whole MAKE YOUR CHOICE SPIDER-MAN thing.

>>81021592
I have just seen the movie and can confirm he does kill several people. In the warehouse sequence, a thug with a flamethrower has a hostage. Batman uses another thug's gun to shoot the flamethrower and it explodes and kills said thug. He also uses the batmobile to throw a car into another car in a way that definitely implies deaths. In the dream sequence he uses both a rifle and pistol to shoot several of the Superman police.

I wanted this movie to successful more than anyone but honestly its hard to believe anyone greenlit this.

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>>81021592
what did you think was going to happen in superman man of murder part 2?

>>81021592

Has this been posted yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byycwl8qgc

>>81040729
i thought thay guy would become firefly lel

>>81037561
Kevin Smith did Cacophany and The Widening Gyre. Under the Hood is by Judd Winnick.

>>81021592

>Batman Kills

Have you read The Dark Knight Returns?

>>81040185
Plot armor and stupidity.
It would be very anti-climatic and nonsensical if a primary antagonist is just killed off.

>>81021592
Batman vs. Superman is a parody.

>>81021592
BurtonBats killed and it was fine.

Did Bats already kill off all his rogues by the time of BvS?

>>81041598
Sure, that's why he's moved on to heroes now.

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>>81040581
He was making Bruce make a choice, the only stupidity was in the animated version where he suddenly turned the gun on him instead.
And this is the choice Bruce made.

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>>81041946
Followed immediately by the obvious outcome Jason was pointing out with Bats's stupid principle.

>>81040417
>first, they treat him as a nobody, in the dc universe people barely know batman(or bat thing which is the name they us

Almost like he's an urban myth, just like in the fucking comics!

>second, he's not smart at all, alfred does all the job and bruce is just a commom thug beating and killing people whenever he wants

Uh, you see him engineer and build kryptonite weaponry by himself and hack the data encryption. And then he tracks Diana down repeatedly and figures out her secret. The only thing you see Alfred do is fly the batwing, read some building blueprints to guide Bruce and do some testing on the helmet at the very beginning. Does Bruce need to do a fucking IQ test in order to appear smart?

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>>81040460
I don't get why people get the impression that Miller hated Supes in DKR and made him an asshole, the guy has his own reasoning to act the way he does. He might be "pathetic" compared to the outside-the-rules Batman, he might've lost the fight (that he barely wanted to win anyway), but in no way is the portrayal an insult to Superman imo

>>81041946
The animated movie made it less stupid. Bruce wasn't playing Jason's game and it was clear Jason was batshit because of the Lazarus Pit. If he wanted to, he could have killed Joker himself, but he wanted Bruce to do it because he wanted to see if Bruce loved him. Obviously, Bruce does but Jason shouldn't put him in that position.

>>81042163

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/frank-miller-discusses-dark-knight-iii-inspiration-why-he-hates-superman-why-carrie-kelley-rules

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I wonder who could be behind this movie?

>>81022701

Tranquilizer missles

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>>81042268
>game
So this is what it means to be in the cult of Bats.

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>>81042556

>Best cinematic Batman
>Best costume
>ruined by shitty director

>>81042833
>ruined

Mugga please, shit was so cool I'd love to see Snyder direct the Batman movie if Ben can't do it

>>81024868
No one had a problem when Tim Burton Batman killed people.

>>81042884
>Mugga please, shit was so cool I'd love to see Snyder direct the Batman movie if Ben can't do it
please stop living. Snyder is a hack. he should NEVER direct another superhero film after this hot garbage. Ben will do better than he could ever dream of.

>>81042907
internet didnt exist back then and human beings were more stupid back then.

I like the movie and it was my 1st Batman film, it doesn't hold up as good.

>>81021592
>How is the joker or anyone else even alive in this universe?
He's not. That's why there's all the graffiti that Batman remembers in his nightmares. He KILLED the Joker.

>>81043037
people still love that movie

DC is done for.

>>81042907
I think it's because what you expect from them is entirely different.

Burton's version is entirely his own. He never pretended to go at the core of Batman or anything, instead he focused on the gothic style, black humor and stuff.

With Snyder's, the whole point is to start the DC universe on the big screen. Also, the way Zack talks, he wants to think about what it means to have a Superman or a Batman in the world, what is their place and other bigger themes.

It's really odd to decide to make Batman a merciless killer when you want to explore those characters. Burton was aiming for the cool, it's easier to accept it. With Snyder, he really feels as if he gets what those characters are about.

>>81043037
It was before cgi could replace everything well, so practical effects and stunts were rather campy but no one really gave a shit.

>>81043188
>It's really odd to decide to make Batman a merciless killer when you want to explore those characters.

You know, I love the fact everybody bitches about some random goons dying because muh no kill code, yet Bruce being entirely hellbent on killing Superman with his barehands if need be is entirely peachy keen

>>81030188
Underrated.

>>81043215
i'd take practical effects over CGI in most cases. Why do you think horror movies are so shitty nowadays.

>>81021592
Batman has accidentally killed a lot of people and purposefully killed far fewer. War Games is practically all about people getting killed in droves, because of Batman's irresponsibility.

>>81023488
I prefer the term Batmurderer

>>81043379
Perhaps, the methods are probably a bit better now too, they did have shitty cg back then, but it was mostly just prop and greenscreen stuff I think.
Again, it was campy but no one really cared because that's what they had.

>>81042907
Cause he killed the Joker.

>>81040519
>Confirmed for being unable to read DKR

>>81042163
Because people barely read DKR and only get "BATMAN BEAT SUPERMAN" and can't even remember Superman got reduced power after stopping an atomic bomb.

>>81043623
He was also weakened by Green Arrow's Kryptonite arrow.

>>81043588
DKR is not a canon story so who gives a shit.

>>81029387
Batman being forced to kill Two-Face and then retiring for nearly a decade because of it is pretty different from Batman regularly offing goons, wiping them with the Batmobile, or branding people with the specific purpose of ensuring that they get a painful death in prison.

This Batman is very nearly The Punisher.

>>81043842
Ive always considered Batman to be more like Daredevil. Although not as good as Daredevil, but does what he does on a wider scale.

Superman is more like Punisher because they both kill a shit ton of people in one city.

>>81043679
Don't get mad at other people about being unable to read a comic

Saw the film today. Bats is pretty damn kill-happy and he's not too bothered with using guns if the situation calls for it. Honestly though I prefer it to the Nolan films because at least he doesn't bullshit his way around it with technicalities like leaving Ra's on the train.

Doesn't even bother me. And I say this as a huge fan of Batman for my whole life. The thought of him killing, as long as it isn't played as a malicious, "I'm enjoying murdering this man as painfully as I can" thing, then I'm fine with collateral damage. The man is waging a war, and wars have casualties. Better they be lowlifes than Bruce.

>>81021592
>How is the joker or anyone else even alive in this universe?
>Implying Bruce didn't kill the Joker after he seemingly murdered Jason
>Implying the current Joker isn't Jason

>>81044634

Plus it's fucking retarded to think that nobody ever dies when a superhero with no powers goes against a large group of heavily armed criminals. Ricochets and heavy internal injuries alone would cause collateral damage and deaths.

>>81037613
And that third one is literally an alternate universe of an already alternate universe.

>>81026125

You know damn well that is a grapple gun, anon....

>>81044697
That too. And let's be honest - the Arkham games are the most common modern introduction to the Batman universe, and he straight up kills everyone in those games. Sure, it SAYS Unconscious, but there's no way those dudes are surviving the pummelling they get.
It is inherently ingrained that Batman kills. He says he doesn't, and makes a big deal of it when it is relevant to (I'm looking at you, Ra's Al Ghul stories), but it's always there.

>>81028480
Just like how Frank doesn't kill because the NYPD secretly condones his actions? Oh wait...

I'd have no issue with Bats killing some people if the same movie didn't pull the absolutely dickless "GEE GOOD THING EVERYBODY HAS GONE HOME FOR THE DAY SO THE CITY IS DESERTED WHILE THEY FIGHT!" bullshit

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>>81021592
How is the joker even alive in this universe?
His husbando protects him

>>81026125
eh, I honestly found it rather dull and flat. Retarded as they are, I'd rather watch the Schumacher movies for how off the wall crazy Gotham is

>>81044912
Does the NYPD have a Punisher-signal?

>>81045031
no but Frank knows a few cops who will tip him off if there's someone who needs franking that the law can't touch

>>81044776

I like to think that the goons in the games survive because they are strong enough to resist the beat up, all of them seems to be pretty buff. They still can't beat the Batman because of his training and shit.

Batman willing to kill so easily doesn't make any sense, because then his entire rogues gallery would be dead.

>>81045133

All his "kills" are entirely collateral damage.

>>81045192
he literally snaps a guys neck in the movie

>>81045350
But that was in a dream sequence.

>>81045365
dream lives matter anon.

>>81021592
He has kills and uses guns.

>>81045511

If dreams don't matter, what is life worth?

>>81045629
The sum total of your accomplishments divided by the years you lived? Iunno.

>>81022885
He uses an assault rifle to make the guy with the flamethrower explode.

I wonder if people had this outrage back when the Burton films came out.

>>81045675

That just means Firefly has a new origin story.

>>81045675
it's DKR

>>81045063
Too bad the third game throws that out the window when you get the chance to run over them repeatedly with the batmoblie

>>81045929
Rubber bumpers. Honest.

He never directly killed anyone in the movie.

The only thing I noticed is the ferocity with which he fought and it got me thinking how gently he actually handles the Joker.

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>it's okay they're not dead!

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>>81045990
Joker makes Batman smile if you know what I mean

>>81046012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbRmdBiz1LM

They're fine, they're just sleeping

So this interpretation of Batman doesn't mind killing people. Fine, I'm not OK with it, but whatever. Here's what I don't get. Why is the Joker still alive? If this Batman murders people than why doesn't he kill the Joker, a repeated mass murderer?

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>>81046093
He's gay for Joker, the cape is hiding his boner.

>>81046274
>batman wanted to kill the joker but superman cockblocked him
Why didn't Bruce say this to Jason?

>>81046310
And Superman cockblocked him because of the UN and the US government

>>81042573
I feel like this scene came across better in the movie. I liked it how the Joker looks up puzzled, then looks from Batman to Jason and then he gets it. And just laughs and laughs.

>>81046310
Mostly meaningless, Jason gave him a second chance to rectify that mistake, all he had to do was nothing >>81041946

>>81042503
>yfw street luge batman in the solo movie

>>81046373
Why doesn't Red Hood kill the Joker?

But in this universe its implied the joker is already dead, probably murdered by bats. So...get fucked

>>81045990

He's probably going to beat the living shit out of the Joker in the SS flashbacks. Hence the teeth grill. Movie Joker probably is to some degree a masochistic and loves the beat downs Batman delivers him.

>>81046409
He was forcing Bruce to make the decision properly, I guess if you like without Supes getting in the way, and not even having to be the trigger man, he simply had to stand there and watch, well probably not even watch he could probably turn away, the movie version just makes Jason completely mad from the Lazarus pit, it's supposed to be more ambiguous >>81042556

>>81021592
He's not killing the bad guys, they just get tuckered out from fighting him and go to sleep

>>81021592
I'm so fucking confused... If Batman kills people and Superman kills people... what exactly are they fighting over? I thought the original fight was because Batman thought Superman is too powerful and could become corrupt and KILL tons of people. Right? So what the hell are they fighting over? Which one of them has more of a RIGHT to kill people? I don't understand. Batman only kills when its necessary? Batman has a better judge of character and because of that he has the right to choose who lives and dies? He just has a better understanding of how criminals think and he can tell which ones are never going to change? Why wouldn't Superman have more of a right to decide who lives and dies? Because of his super hearing he can hear countless lives all interacting with each other, pain and suffering, growth, sacrifices, courage of everyday people, etc. He probably knows more about people, their behavior and human nature in general than Batman ever would. Superman would be worldly and wise, understanding of peoples flaws and compassionate... if he ever chose to kill, I feel like I'd trust his judgment more than Batman. Batman, who calls people scum buckets on a nightly basis while threatening their lives. Too bad I'm sure none of these questions will be answered. Oh well!

This movie makes no sense at all. I'm hands-in-the-air done.

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>>81021774
Yeah, and Batman was originally gonna look like this. Golden Age comics are generally not credited for being well written. Also, Batman was the first Superman knockoff, literally conceived for the purpose of cashing in on that idea. His earliest Golden Age stories (the ones where Bob Kane was actually involved (of which there are so few issues, most people could count them with their fingers), and not just taking credit) have very little merit compared to other early Golden Age superheroes, like Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel or Plastic Man, to name a few. Pretty much once Robin came into the picture, the book started to shape it's identity.

>>81046073
>that auto-taser effect when he runs over thugs
They're trying so hard, dammit. I wonder when they realized this was going to be a problem and tried to bandaid it.

>>81021592

See, the thing is, Zack Snyder hates superheroes and the idea of them actually being heroic and doing good and whatnot.

>>81046595
Because Batman thinks Superman caused the deaths of innocents while fighting Zod, or something?

>>81021774
Where were you yesterday?

>>81022931

Parademon lives matter

>>81021592
Maybe Bats kills but Superman intervenes and changes his ideals of killing blah blah blah killed Zod and regrets and isn't the right way blah blah blah.

Now you have a Batman that doesn't. Character building people...get with it.

>>81046838

That just makes it more unintentionally hilarious.

Nah, can't give people the wrong idea by having them see people ragdolled 50 feet into the air when hit by the battletank going 100mph, they should be ELECTROCUTED at the same time!

>>81046595

...what? Are you really this retarded?

The initial conflict was that Superman was against the brutality and scare tactics of Batman because he saw him as someone terrorizing and torturing people needlessly, so he wanted to stop Batman's vigilantism.

Batman on the other hand, after having witness the climax of MoS from the POV of an average man on the street, saw Superman as an alien overlord who might turn against humanity any time he wanted. He essentially found Superman to be a possible risk to the entire world, and Lex throughout the movie fuels that distrust until Bruce is so worked up that he's ready to kill Superman to, in his eyes, save the world.

What part of that was hard to grasp?

>>81046838
At least they put in the effort unlike like this garbage film

>>81021592

So it's fine for him to mow down parademon after parademon in a plan to cut the eyes out of Darkseid but when it comes to saving an old woman from being set on fire you find some sort of moral dilemma with Batman killing?

He doesn't kill his usual rogues because most of them are insane and he believes they can get help. Thats why they keep going to Arkham and not an actual prison.

The people he killed in the movie were armed hired mercenaries threatening to set an old lady on fire if Batman wasn't killed within an hour.

Every iteration of Batman has killed one way or another, you're just finding excuses to nitpick

>>81047046
>What part of that was hard to grasp?
Apparently, people can't accept that this is actually an intelligent setup that provides character development and interesting moral dilemmas, potentially eleveting this movie above almost everything MCU-related aside TWS.
But nevermind, capeshit must be FUN!

Batfleck had no problem murdering a bunch of Lex' goons. Why doesn't he just kill the Joker?

>>81047250
Keaton smiling as a thug explodes, and later shooting at Joker with high-caliber ammo? That's ok.
Bale not saving Ra's, causing countless propriety damage, crushing occupied vehicles with the Tumbler, and essentially killing Harvey? OK.
Batfleck killing KGBeast to save Martha Kent from being fucking burned alive while visibly struggling with the decision? NUT MUH BATMAN!

I seriously think /co/ is full of retards. Bats' one rule has always been zigzagged for narrative purpose, and that's perfectly fine.

>>81026137
ASBAR is not a good batman comic.

>>81047371

they call comic fans autistic for a reason.

>>81021592
Tie-in books say he doesn't, for what it's worth

Clearly Snyder didn't establish it since everyone thinks he does

>>81029516
>>81030667
Eh, that's too much of a stretch to say that was deliberate kills. That's just more on accidental. Regardless, that still means '66 Batman and Robin were effective, killers or not.

>>81030384
>Pushed Harvey to his death
And retired afterwards.
>Shooting at truck killed Talia
At that point he was desperate to stop the bomb and retire, but I'll allow that.
>Probably ended up killing that prisoner and several assassins during his hissy fit
He wasn't Batman yet.
Even so if we count all the kills he's still "kind of effective."

Zack Snyder's Batman sounds ineffective if it's true he kills henchmen but doesn't kill the Joker. That's even worse than having a no-kill rule that allows the Joker to run rampant.

>>81047436

But Batman hasn't killed henchmen.

His killed hired mercenaries that were threatening to set a woman on fire if Batman didn't die.

>>81041996
they have been fighting for over 20 years
he should been as famous as superman and clart should know who he is from the beginning

>>81047436
>Zack Snyder's Batman sounds ineffective if it's true he kills henchmen but doesn't kill the Joker.

Perhaps Batman is always able to take down Joker before he has to resort to deadly force, so there is no reason to murder him in cold blood. All the so called kills in BvS happen during a heated action scenes where Batman is basically defending himself from attacks or to directly save an innocent life. He never executes a bad guy who is already defeated.

i don't give a shit about batman killing...when he has no other option, but batfleck just kills for the sake of doing it

Reminder that a Batman that uses guns and a Superman that kills or questions whether or not he should save civilians is such a drastic change from the norm of their modern incarnations that both basically define alternate universes (Flashpoint and Injustice) but are treated as if they are accurate adaptations in the movies by "fans" here for some reason.

>>81047585
This

Him having to kill should be a point of contention for the character, from last resort style to a complete change in his view if you want to do that it has to be brought up and dealt with as an important point

>>81047570
that's bs, if they wanted to copy the arkham games so much(and they did), all they had to do is make bats controlling the batmobile remotely and with tranquilizers/non lethal stuff against those guys

>>81047585

Killing to save his own life or the life of an innocent isn't the same as "For the sake of doing it"

>>81047570

Basically this. Maybe the Joker knows the shit he does is bat shit insane and if he pushed Batman enough he would kill him? Maybe the Joker only goes as far as to get caught and put in Arkham so he can break out and do it again? Maybe this Batman has never had a reason to kill the Joker?

>>81047606

It's established in the movie that his been Batman for well over 20 years. I'm sure we can suspend our need for a no murder policy Batman long enough to believe he has already faced this hardship and has come to terms with the fact the killing an armed mercenary is a far better option than watching a woman be set on fire.

>>81047630
Then they should of dealt with that point in the movie

>>81047646

They did. Batman tells Alfred his been doing this for over 20 years and has come to grips with the fact his basically a criminal.

Did you watch the movie?

>>81047646
exactly

>>81047657
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>>81047653
I did and no they didn't
>Batman tells
Saying oh no I'm fine with it now cause undefined past is not a reason. And it has to be more than that as it is such a core tenant of his character. What people miss when they say but X did it is they use that point as a very important one to the characters and story, it isn't an off hand remark it has importance.

What they did is like if he walked in dressed like a cat now and went well Alfred it has been 20 years now so shit changed ~nya

>>81047686

Again Batman used killing as a last resort. He stormed a room full of paid mercenaries armed to the teeth with assault weapons (and a fucking Flame Thrower) who were gonna set a woman on fire in less than 10 minutes unless he was dead. Every other instance of him "killing" in that movie has been a murder by proxy which Batman has done countless times in both cinema and comic books.

The idea of Batman not killing is a great point for his character and, although only ever introduced to stop the writers from cycling through villains every two weeks, is a moral dilemma that has lead to some fantastic stories. That being said there is no argument here. Batman killed the mercs because he had no other choice. If he had prep time he could have gotten through the situation without anyone dying but given he had ten minutes to get across town and storm a building full of armed mercenaries I think his action was realistic and justified.

the cool thing about batman is that criminals don't fear about being killed by him, but getting beaten so hard they'll end up crippled,not to mention the psychological trauma
i was expecting to see the this https://youtu.be/QC6FVRpCZFA but those cops in the movie didn't even know him

>>81047778

The cops knew about him, like he was an urban legend. The one cop that saw him was shaken up and kept saying "His real" afterwards which is probably the best way to handle an established Batman in a universe where he is supposed to lead in to a Justice League

>>81047750
>If he had prep time he could have gotten through the situation
And here is where your argument really falls apart

A smarter better Batman could have, people want to see superheroes overcome odds because they are meant to be those who go above and beyond. Failure to do that should have some consequence even if it is just internal conflict but we need to see it play out. DKR has issues but Bats becoming a recluse after failure makes sense for the character progressing past that situation.

We see known of that here and just get well it has been a long time so he doesn't care, deal with it

>realistic
That word again, people seem to think this is a get out of jail free card for characters to do anything "dark" never mind that actually realistic would have much broader implications

>>81047814
>he's real
how could they even had any doubt about that? as i said, he should be as famous as superman

>>81047830

>A smarter better Batman could have

Prep time means enough time to actually plan a course of action that has the outcome you desire. Not taking whatever amount of time you have and making it work. Batman only knew about the situation when there was 10 minutes left and made the judgement call he had to. You can't just turn around and say Batman wasn't a good Batman because he didn't outbatman himself.

And realistic means a character who is supposed to be working within the confines of reality acting as such. Time doesn't stop because his Batman.

>>81047891
>You can't just turn around and say Batman wasn't a good Batman because he didn't outbatman himself.
Yes you can, as many times as you can dig up old comics where he has a gun you can dig up ones where he overcomes a huge amount of what seem and insurmountable group enemies.

You seem to be completely missing the core point here, him not able to do that and killing should be a point of contention and a throw away line is not good enough. If that issue was not going to be dealt with then it shouldn't be brought up, the scene did not have to be what it was

>confines of reality acting as such.
Did you watch the movie? It isn't set in the confines of reality, ridiculous stuff happens hell being Batman is completely unrealistic just down to grappling guns

Let's be honest here, only real DC fans would like a Batman that kills. It's just true to the comics.

>>81041537
It wasn't just fine! It was glorious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psVIG7YvdjM

My favorite being the bomb death. The psychotic grin he gives the guy he's about to kill is amazing.

>>81048006
Yeah, he even used a gun on Darkseid. Seriously this whole No-Kill, No-Gun rule was made up by people who don't read comics.

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Alright faggots

Just got done watching it and here's my gripes about

Batman kills...A LOT,and without hesitation too. This was really surprising and disappointing that Ben Affleck of all the actors that have been batman would approve of Snyder shitting all over what makes the batman, batman.

And it's not just the ultra violent batman, this batman is not smart or nearly as charismatic as Bale.hell, he's barely above Clooney.

Superman gets shit on all over as well and yes he's okay with killing people too.though he does feel remorse for the deaths of the innocents that's happened because of him, they don't explore it nearly as much as they should.

Jesse Eisenberg as lex jr was fucking atrocious and towards the end of the film he tries way too hard to maniacal, he's a third rate heath ledger joker.

Fucking Doomsday was horrible to sit through, just an over powered gorilla that gets ham fisted down our throats

What did the film do right?

Briefly nodded at Cyborg,Flash,and Aquaman through video files that Bruce managed to get a hold of. Each clip is roughly 20 seconds long and you get to watch Cyborg be constructed, flash shopping for milk save a clerk from a robber, and Aquaman in the ruins of a sunken ship pierce the camera with his trident.

Wonder Woman was also introduced poorly and the trailers give away her best action shot

Fuck this movie sucked dick

>>81048161
So does Doomsday evolve/change throughout the fight?

>>81021592
>is one of the fundamantal ideals of his character
Nope, that is one of the fundamental ideals of the Comic Code which has little to do with the character itself.