Are you happy or sad that the age of female superheroes and villains

>>80923131
It isn't over, it is just on hiatus. It shall return

>>80923131
Indifferent.

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>>80923150
This, and even then

>>80923131

When the fuck did Storm ever wear that?

>>80923131
If capeshit is gonna bend over backwards trying to take itself seriously then they should take their costumes seriously.

>>80923131
Gleeful. Finally, I'll be able to take these characters somewhat seriously. It's difficult to get invested in a story when the characters dress like strippers.

>>80923131
It wouldn't work with the tone of today's comics and a lot of the designs were horrible. Shame that 90's artist prioritized tits, I would have loved some booty during the lewd age.

Thank god capeshit finally realized that Skimpy doesn't mean sexy.

And yet Spider-Man's costume is still trying to violate him 24/7. Thank god.

>over
Since when? As long horny nerds are buying this stuff, it's never over.

>>80923131
Ambivalent?
It's not why I got into comics and it's usually more corny as shit than not, but it's nice to look at every once in a while.

Depends on the design
I really fucking hate shit artists who shove high heels on every female hero/villain because GUESS WHAT FEMALES WEAR HIGH HEELS

>ITT tons of fucking cucks

What if they go full frontal instead?
Storytimes of pain taught me nudists are fucking creepy.

>>80923869
Luckily you're a virgin and you can't cuck the uncuckable.

>>80923912
You don't have to lack virginity to get cucked. The prerequisite for getting cu ked is being in a romantic relationship with another individual. Not necessarily a sexual relationship.

>>80923736
The problem is heels are really bad for crimefighting. Unless the heroine can fly, she'll have a really hard time running and kicking with her five-inch hookerboots.

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>>80923736
>GUESS WHAT FEMALES WEAR HIGH HEELS
People who have to wear business clothes to meetings?

I hate it when every female character gets high heels unless they can fly, that shit just isn't comfortable to stand on or especially run in

>>80923736
and yet people don't often complain about heels being "impractical"

Female heroes with superhuman strength should weak few clothes, like female boxers or female ufc fighters.
on some characters armour is ridiculous

>>80923305
In the video game Marvel Nemesis

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>>80924076
Thats what Im talking about
Sometimes the artist wants to give the character a somehow functional costume but then give them high heels on the simple virtue that the character is female
I mean seriously look at this shit. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

>>80924283
If people cared about functional/practical as much as they say, they would ask for both Hawkeye to wear full body bulletproof suit (with light material, like X-Men uniforms) and for bulletproof heroes like Colonel Carol or Blue Marvel to wear less clothes
And lot of pouches for everybody

>>80924283
Combat sports would be so much better if the fighters didn't dress like strippers. It'd be fun to watch people fight if I didn't have to see all that flesh slapping around.

>implying super strength=bulletproof
You're kind of a fucking idiot, you know that?

Kind of sad. It seems as if these days female cape characters, if they aren't quirky womanchildren then they are strong yet sassy girl scouts. Sex symbols aren't allowed as much anymore.

>>80924365

>if the fighters didn't dress like strippers
What kind of fights are you watching?

>>80924365
They dress like that so they can keep cool and so they don't have extra clothing for people to grab onto.

>>80924076
lol. This is why that tacticool bullshit took off. People forgot that comics were supposed to be escapism, not supposed to be "muh realism".

It's funny that more people bitch about females wearing high heels in combat than Superman "breathing in space".

Also if we are worrying so much about "realism" in comics, then why aren't people bitching about Batman's Cape? How would a guy be able to fight 10 guys in a alley way, with a long piece of heavy material hanging from his back that could be pulled,grabbed or be caught on something?

>>80924007
You can't cuck someone that has never and will never have sex.

>>80924469
I don't think you know what a cuckold is.

>>80924406
>What kind of fights are you watching?
None. Every time I see and add for a boxing or MMA match, I pass on it because all I can think is that I'd be watching a glorified game of grabass.

>>80924434
>keep cool
Are the buildings hosting the arenas not air conditioned?

>>80924496
Nigga you are going fucking 15 rounds shit is sweaty as fuck

>>80924459
It coincides with the rise of the nerds, I'd say. Now, soft sci-fi is disregarded and everything has to be as ~realistic~ as possible.

>>80924459
And here I thought tacticool bullshit took off because it look cool.

>>80924459
Probably because I can't relate to breathing in space or fighting ten dudes while wearing a cape, but I can relate to wearing high heels for ten hours straight

Mundane stuff sticks out more than fantastical stuff

>>80924550
Sure, if you're fighting in a boiler room.

>>80924459
>>80924557
Tacticool became popular because it looks slightly less fucktarded than the hooker clothes.

Nobody is demanding that fiction be more realistic. If they were, none of these characters would be having adventures with fantastical elements in the first place, they'd be sitting at home watching TV and bitching about having to go to their shitty jobs. You're projecting.

>>80924164
Yes the absolutely do.

>>80924406
>quirky manchild and snarky yet caring asshole
Let's not pretend that male characters have a wide variety of flavors here.

>>80924641
Have you ever played a sport or been in a fight?

>>80924641
>Sure, if you're fighting in a boiler room
I don't think you've ever been in a fight. Or seen a wrestling match.

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>>80923131
Pic related is Moondragon's All-new All-different design. Look at that and tell me it's not a skimpy outfit. Or how about Lady Hellbender over in Totally Awesome Hulk. Bitch has her tits and ass hanging out in every scene and is drawn by the king of cheesecake.

Just because we're no longer in the 90s levels of every female character running around half-naked doesn't mean that skimpy outfits don't exist anymore.

>>80924459
>what is suspension of disbelief

>>80924718
That isn't that skimpy of an outfit. That is more than most girls wear IRL

We need more Lycra and spandex, bring back the high waist unitards! Superheroes are ridiculous already so I don't see a problem dressing them up like hookers from space. I respect that more than the fake tacticool b.s we have going on. If they could take Power girl's boob window and make it a vag window I'd be even happier.

>>80924641
>Nobody is demanding that fiction be more realistic. If they were, none of these characters would be having adventures with fantastical elements in the first place, they'd be sitting at home watching TV and bitching about having to go to their shitty jobs. You're projecting.
Yeah you missed the point entirely. Take The Martian. It is fiction. But at the same time it is "realistic", in that it could theoretically happen IRL. That is what people like to see. Even with superheroes we see them more grounded to reality than in stories of the past.

And stop with the buzzwords

>>80924073
Wow, Argentinian memes. Who do you expect will get this?

>>80924718
>the age of female superheroes and villains dressing in skimpy outfits
I think he meant the time where it was common place not that they don't do it at all.

>>80924641
>Tacticool became popular because it looks slightly less fucktarded than the hooker clothes.

Comics are inherently silly. You have men fighting crime in their underwear. Tacticool is boring as fuck. It's what cape movies did in the 90's early 2000's because they thought the comic accurate costumes looked silly. Hence X-Men wearing black tight leather.

Tacticool is a fad, a boring one too. The Extreme 90's were retarded but at least it was fun. At least they were creative in how stupid they looked most of the time. Now a days a super hero is wearing a fucking biker jacket and khakis and calling it a costume.

It's shit.

>>80924815
>Even with superheroes we see them more grounded to reality than in stories of the past.

This. It's even happening with videogames. now and it sucks.

>>80923131
>Are you happy or sad that the age of female superheroes and villains dressing in skimpy outfits is over?
are you sure about that?
there is always fan arts

>>80924815
Are you complaining that hard sci-fi exists?

>>80924872
>Comics are inherently silly.
They don't have to be.

>Tacticool is boring as fuck.
To you maybe. But then, you sound like the kind of nerd who doesn't like anything anyway.

>>80924776
It looks like a perfectly normal bathing suit, not everyday wear

Mostly happy
I like sexy costumes but ones like that (on most characters, it works on a few) usually just look dumb as fuck

>>80924938
You remind me of one of those assholes who like comics but are ashamed of that so you need some sort of realism/maturity angle to make yourself feel better about it. I see the same thing with videogame nerds these days and it's pretty amusing on both fronts.


Also it doesn't take much "imagination" to have someone running around in a regular jacket and jeans to fight crime. It's lame.

>>80924756
>Who gives a shit

There's one in every thread.

>>80925116
>You remind me of one of those assholes who like comics but are ashamed of that so you need some sort of realism/maturity angle to make yourself feel better about it.
That's called having standards, retard. I like to read about people going on fantastical adventures, but I'd also like to be invested in them as people, and I can't care about someone who dresses like a total moron.

>Also it doesn't take much "imagination" to have someone running around in a regular jacket and jeans to fight crime.
And having character run around in swimsuits is just the height of creativity, right?

>It's lame.
No, the hooker clothes are lame and make the character look like idiots. Do you have an actual argument, or are you just in denial about wanting softcore porn?

>>80923131

I'm not really into fanservice

>>80924786

>Superheroes are ridiculous

Says who?

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I'm going to split the difference here and say that skimpy costumes and cheesecake are fine as long as they're appropriate for the story they're trying to tell. Empowered is the perfect example of a story driven by cheesecake that works just fine.

But for the more serious superhero fare? I'd like my heroines/villainesses to dress up like somebody who's about to kick some ass, not like they're about to grind on a pole. Can you even take someone like Emma Frost seriously? She literally dresses like a stripper.

Pic related is what I'd like to see more of. Ivy's outfit here is a great redesign that still keeps her sex appeal but also allows you to take her seriously. She looks like she could be a real threat.

>>80925566
>I'm going to split the difference here and say that skimpy costumes and cheesecake are fine as long as they're appropriate for the story they're trying to tell.
Fuck you and your bullshit compromises. If a character starts posing like a whore, I'm tossing your shitty book into the fucking trash.

>>80925421
I'm sorry, but have you read comics ever? Superheroes are some of the most ridiculous, over the top character concepts we have. Everything about them is silly. Batman is a crazy dude dressed up as a bat. Superman is an alien that was shot to earth in a rocket by his parents just before his planet explodes. They literally call him Superman. He's a man, only SUPER! Wolverine is a mutant with super smell powers that gets thrown into battle by a man made out of organic steel and he has a team mate that is a blue monkey bear, as well as british mind swapped asian psychic ninja and his team was run by a bald telepath in a wheelchair. I could go on. Superheroes are both amazingly awesome and absolutely ridiculous.

>>80925626
Please fuck off and die you crybaby prude, go read some more Frank the mass murderer and masturbate to your hyper realistic gritty grim dark tacticool garbage.

>>80925116
You know there are comics other than superhero ones. Some of them are even made in foreign countries.

>>80925753

With that "reasoning" any work of fiction is ridiculous.

>>80924481
Well seeing as cuckold means man with a promiscuous wife and that anon has made it clear he's no intent of getting married neither do you.

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>>80925753

>Superheroes are some of the most ridiculous, over the top character concepts we have.

Not even fucking close

>>80925788
You know, even if that was the case(I don't read The Punisher), it'd still better than worshiping glorified softcore porn, to the detriment of good storytelling and interesting characters.

>>80925837
Not at all, this is simply pointing out very basic facts about the characyers . Nothing is being played up. Romeo and Juliet can be made to look absurd if you exaggerated aspects of the plot, but if told in a bold and straightforward manner it is the tragic romance it was meant to be. Nothing about what I said about the comic characters was exaggerated.
Wolverine is a short grizzled dude that walks around sniffing things all the time (he literally does this. They have 'nif nif' effects for it.) and tucks into a ball so a large Russian made of steel can throw him at their enemies. These are some of the defining themes in wolverine stories. This at face value is ridiculous. In the con text of the stories they are presented in, it is still pretty fucking ridiculous.

>>80924641
>Nobody is demanding that fiction be more realistic.
Bullshit.

>>80925961
Superheroes are some of the most ridiculous over the top character concepts we have. They are joined by video game characters, but I don't know why you bothered posting liefeld fan
art?

>>80926139
The angry nerd pixies floating around in your imagination do not count, anon.

>>80926002
You write as if the depiction of hot chicks in skimpy outfits makes you angry. How is it a detriment? The stories can't be good because of cheesecake? The characters aren't good because they show a little skin? The writing is affected by the art? Was sincity garbage because it had t&a or because the writing was poor? Please stop being so angry at the sight of women not wearing bullet proof burkas.

>>80926245
>How is it a detriment? The stories can't be good because of cheesecake?
No, because it's distracting and annoying as hell.

>The characters aren't good because they show a little skin?
No, because showing off skin makes them look like idiots with little to no common sense.

>The writing is affected by the art?
Of course the writing is affected by the art, dumbass. It's a comic book.

>Please stop being so angry at the sight of women not wearing bullet proof burkas.
I could take a lot more characters seriously if they wore bulletproof burkas. At least they'd be wearing some form of protective gear.

>>80926091

>This at face value is ridiculous.

Only if you confuse premise with the tone of narrative which you seem to be doing a lot.

>>80926176

You don't even know what's going on in that picture, do you, capefag?

>>80926245
I don't think anyone is saying a good story can't have cheesecake but it can be distracting. Cheesecake is usually cheeky, lighthearted, and fun. Tonally it clashes with a post-apocalyptic story, for example, or something that's supposed to be really serious. I personally like cheesecake because I'm a straight dude but even I'll admit there's a time and place for it.

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I don't know if it's really over. I'm glad it's a bit more sensitive now though, because it really depends on the context of the character. If your character dresses skimpy it might work against what you're trying to get across or be incredibly distracting if you don't have a good reason for it. That's why pic related bothered me so much when I watched GitS, but on the other hand you can have someone like Shanna who is always semi-naked because she is a jungle woman.

tl;dr context is king

>>80926454
>I don't think anyone is saying a good story can't have cheesecake
I am. Go fuck yourself, you goddamned twelve year old.

>>80926372
>implying premise and tone can be separated
Not how that works, dude.

>>80926355
A lot of what you say is subjective opinion but you are an absolute moron for saying art and writing go hand in hand. A story can be amazing and have art that doesn't do it justice, or the art can be fantastic but the writing fails it. You are trying to say a story suffers from the addition of cheesecake, but that's just your opinion. I think that cheesecake can be perfectly acceptable and with it a story can still maintain it's strength. The problem is that you are getting super serious about something that for the most part, is not super serious.

>>80926388
You are an idiot. You don't recognize sarcasm. Please die you fucking retard.

>>80926505

>Not how that works, dude.

Then maybe you would explain to me what's so different in premises of batman & robin and batman begins that made them so tonally different

>>80926372
Premise and tone of narrative both lend to the reader's understanding and opinion of a piece of work. Trying to make wolverine being thrown like a hand grenade serious is even more ridiculous.

>>80926565
>I think that cheesecake can be perfectly acceptable and with it a story can still maintain it's strength.
You're wrong though. How can you possibly remain invested in a story about characters who are by implication stupid as hell?

>A story can be amazing and have art that doesn't do it justice, or the art can be fantastic but the writing fails it.
Also wrong. This is comic books. If literally one half of the completed product has totally failed, then the whole thing fails. It's like if someone was missing an entire half of their brain. Sure, maybe they could function, but only just barely, and they haven't got long to live.

>>80924729
So what's stopping people from doing that for characters wearing high heels?

>>80926661
>Also wrong. This is comic books. If literally one half of the completed product has totally failed, then the whole thing fails. It's like if someone was missing an entire half of their brain. Sure, maybe they could function, but only just barely, and they haven't got long to live.
Holy shit.

>>80923131
Its only over if we let it be over.

>>80924289
I just realized that.
That looks really fucking stupid.

>>80923131

I'm very happy - if I want porn for my characters I have the internet.

I'll never forget being in my first year of Uni and wandering around town with some of the normies from my course. They took a friendly interest in me and joined me in looking around our local comic shop (A nice one, not the usual nerd hole), and the look on their faces when picking up comics was excruciating.

"Dude, this like... children's porn. This is so fucked up. Who the fuck draws this shit?"

Such an eye opener. You couldn't get away with that shit in other media: it's mostly pervy nerds holding it up.

>>80926648
Nothing is different. Batman is stupid premise, so anything that shares that premise has already failed because it's impossible to take seriously or be invested in.

>>80926661
I'm not wrong, that's my opinion. How can I invest myself in any character from a comic? Punisher is no more realistic than power girl or bikini storm. I choose to enjoy the comics I want to. I have Ennis's punisher and preacher runs in graphic novel format, but I don't enjoy Crossed. I own most of transmetropolitan but nothing from the invisibles. I invest in what I want to, not what you want me to. I can enjoy power girl's boob window and batman's hell bat armor at the same time.

Saddened, because it's just another sign that SJW's have more influence on comics than writers. I garentee you next time we see Selene The Black Queen, she will be toned down as far as her outfit is concerned. The last crazy sexy outfit that I saw and loved was Starfire's from Redhood and the Outlaws (that was the last time she was written to be an enjoyable character too, not that annoying thing in the cartoons.)

That's okay though, cause I know that soon enough we'll be back to how things were.

>>80926823

So Nolan's trilogy is ridiculous and over the top, is this correct?

>>80926888
Them fight scenes totally were, I couldn't believe that Batman was a master of all martial arts while watching any one of them movies

>>80925116
>You remind me of one of those assholes who like comics but are ashamed of that so you need some sort of realism/maturity angle to make yourself feel better about it

So the anon posting is Bendis?

>>80925566
>She literally dresses like a stripper.

Yes, and? She's a psychic dominatrix.

>>80926840
>I can enjoy power girl's boob window and batman's hell bat armor at the same time.
And for both of those, I'm going to call you out on your shit taste. Honestly, your opinion is shit, and "people" like you are why comics are so lacking in good stories.

>>80926888
Yes, because they are movies about a rich dude who beats up criminals while dressed up in a bat costume. The villain of the second installment is an evil anarchist clown who at one point crossdresses in a nurses outfit for fucks sake!

Batman, is inherently over the top stupid. And before you ask, yes, that DOES make it bad. To hell with this chucklefuck bullshit.

>>80926843
I used to be really annoyed by SJWs but now the backlash against them is so far in the other direction that I can't help but enjoy people getting buttmad about them getting their way. I guess I'm just an asshole like that.

>>80926888
Did you watch it? Of course it's ridiculous. No matter how much political commentary or flashy fight scenes he adds, it will still be a story about a man dressing up as a bat and beating people up. It is not realistic. You are meant to suspend belief in realism or it simply doesn't work. In reality batman gets shut down by the military the moment he drives his bat tank into the streets. In this make believe world of batmen and spooky gas attacks (the actual repercussions of which are ignored and rightly so) it is perfectly acceptable, and yet some how still silly. Bane was silly, the Joker was great and yet still silly, scarecrow was fucking goofy. Yes it was absolutely over the top.

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>>80926843
>Selene The Black Queen, she will be toned down
you are about 2 years too late bro.

>>80923617
This.

>>80923649
Spider-Man's costume isn't skimpy, which is what made the Hawkeye """"""movement"""""" so retarded. The only major difference between women's and men's costumes from the 90's that wasn't simply an aspect of the difference between women's and men's fashion was that women's costumes were often these ridiculous outfits literally from strippers and pornos, which is a thing that has basically gone away years ago.

Complaining about idealized bodies and skintight clothing in fucking comic books is goddamn stupid, but asking for girls to at least wear something more than your average slave doujin character is reasonable. Look at the 80's costumes of Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk, they show plenty of leg and shoulder while still being comparable to the men's costumes. Women and men's fashion are inherently different.

>>80925207
>swimsuits

How do you feel about gymnasts? Should the Olympics start instituting "cargo pants only" dress codes?

>>80926996
Lol you are a fucking crybaby and the only thing shit here is you and your fucking loser attitude. Was Watchmen shit? Yes or no. You don't want comics, you want boring police procedurals. You're the reason comics become boring Gary
Have. Go read phonograph or some crap slice of life bullshit meant for soap opera loving faggots like yourself.

>>80927081
wew someone's mad.
You make me embarrassed to like capeshit, fag.

>>80927081
Lol typing is hard.
>>80926996
But your name probably is Gary you're so fucking boring. I bet you don't like Prophet because there isn't enough skin covering ultra armor. Seriously, the only thing ruining comics are crybaby bullshit artists like you trying to tell people what they can and can't enjoy.

Ignore the shitposter. He shits up other threads to complain about comics, and has stated he hates reading comics but has no other options because he's autistic.

Grayson is a fun book and interesting direction for Dick

>>80927060
God fucking damnit

>>80927077
>How do you feel about gymnasts?
Outrageously apathetic.

>Should the Olympics start instituting "cargo pants only" dress codes?
Maybe they should make swimsuits that don't make people look like whores.

>>80927081
Randomly attacking other genres only serves to make you seem like the cape obsessed nerd you are.

>>80927138
Hahaha is that it? Does that work? Does that shut other people down or something?

>>80927179
Are you an autistic robot wizard? I think the answer is an obvious yes.

If anything we need a cheesecake renaissance. More she-hulk and tigra. More unitards on crazy Asian ninja chicks.

>>80927194
>Does that shut other people down or something?
If it did, then I wouldn't shy away from talking to capefags in real life, because I'm afraid they'll be insufferable manchildren triggered by change like yourself even though we share interests.
Instead I just avoid eye-contact and look at my trade collection and whisper "I wish I could quit you".

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>>80927165
desu this is probably my favorite of Kris Anka's sexless redesigns, like it's something you could see Selene wear if she had to go grocery shopping or church.

>>80927273
Lol you avoid eye contact no matter what. I'm a manchild because I can enjoy cheesecake without getting worked up into a fit over a boob? Take a break, nobody would want to talk to you anyways. You probably try to have conversations in real life like you do on the internet and wonder why people don't include you in the group.

>>80927356
I still see some fucking ankle you goddamn pervert!
TRIGGERED!

>>80927416
I know you're trying to be funny, but that is still a sexy dress

>>80927179
>Maybe they should make swimsuits that don't make people look like whores.

So showing leg equals whore now? Wow, I bow down to your superhuman ability to jump to conclusions.

>>80927463
It's actually not a bad design and works for the character.

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>>80924365
Yeah it's not like it's traditional for fighters to not have any cloths on.

>>80927624
...L-lewd!

>>80927624
I can only fap so many times today anon.

>>80923305
Storm is a fucking nudist. Her first comic appearance has her nude and Claremont continued it with all her 'shower' scenes. Her and Emma should stay skimpy cause its part of their characters. Same with Jessica Drew who manipulates people with pheromones.

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>>80923131

Blame, Nolan, Snyder, Singer, Feige and Diane Nelson

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Sad As Fuck

>>80923131

Couldn't be happier. It completely takes me out of the story and I find it an insult to the readers' intelligence. I can only stand stuff like this in comedies and parodies, when you're supposed to be laughing at how ridiculous the behavior of the characters is. If your story is so shit that you need to put all the characters in skimpy outfits for it to sell, then maybe you should take a few writing classes.

>>80927624
Why do people always immediately cite Romans/Greeks when using historical examples?

Their civilizations fell. They are not a good example of anything. And traditions are almost never smart or practical things to do.

>>80927500
>So showing leg equals whore now?
I don't want to see your gross flesh, and you have no good reason to show it to me. I keep covered up when I go out, because I have a sense of consideration for others.

>>80927860
I stand by this as the worst casting choice in the entire MCU. Perhaps the entire capshit film medium as a whole. I don't think anything will surpass this shit.

>>80927860
To be honest she was not a gamora we really needed to see in that outfit. She had a booty yeah, but her angry Ru Paul face throws everything off.

>>80927868
>muh srs writing.
>muh mature comic book literature
Comics are a visual medium.

>>80923131
It really isn't over, and even if it were, frankly who gives a shit. Porn is so easy to find nowadays we don't need it in our comics. Plus there's always R34 if it means that much to you.

>>80927909
>Their civilizations fell.
All civilizations fall. This is what history teaches us.

Our current civilization will not last forever either.

>>80927909
Wow. This says a lot. You are an autist wizard of the highest order and we thank you for keeping your disgusting cheese skin under wraps. The rest of us however are able to handle the sight of skin when we go to the beach.

>>80926689
Suspension of belief is accepting the fantastical elements of a story.

>>80927968
>Porn is so easy to find nowadays we don't need it in our comics.
You're the reason why Playboy magazine is dead now.

>>80927957
And they should make sense visually. It doesn't make sense to put the master martial artist in fishenets and high heels.

>>80928019
>And they should make sense visually.
That's entirely subjective.

>>80928028
Ok anon.

>>80924641
I should beat your fat ass so at least you know what a work out is. But instead you will just sit in your mother's basement eating pizza and drinking pop and never know a day of work in your life.

You are the reason for the geek stereotype, get a fucking job, sweat a little and make a fucking life.

>>80928028
Well there's also /a, /tv, oh wait we're on 4chan so just everything here is a joke, might as well get in on the laugh.

>>80927979
>Our current civilization will not last forever either.
Thank fucking goodness for that.

>>80927990
So, you basically just have no argument whatsoever, right? Because you're not actually saying why you object to the views of your opponent.

>The rest of us however are able to handle the sight of skin when we go to the beach.
One can only speculate how. Human skin is a waxy, porous, grease-drenched nightmare.

>>80927957

So give me visuals that are cohesive with the story. You want to establish this chick as a stone cold badass? Having her spine contort in inhuman ways and dressed like she's going to a strip club are the worst possible visuals for conveying this point.

>>80928014
Of course it's dead, why pay for a subscription to a magazine just to see a few naked women every month when you can go online whenever you want and see an infinite number of women, not just naked, but engaging in any sex act imaginable?

Are you seriously crying about Playboy, the magazine that's been obsolete for almost two decades?

>>80928129
>You want to establish this chick as a stone cold badass?
No, I don't. Female characters like that are a dime a dozen. Sexbomb females are extinct and need to return.

>>80925566
>Can you even take someone like Emma Frost seriously
Yes, she uses her sex appeal for its advantage. She has never been afraid to use all the tools in her toolbox, she doesn't give a shit about other peoples opinions of her she just does what is for the best and takes advantage of whatever abilities she has.

Ambivalent. You can take them away in books but you can't control my thoughts. In my mind I am free. And there are tittymonsters everywhere.

>>80928103
Everything you say about how you regard the human body is pathetic and warns people that you are autistic and wizardly. You are not my opponent, you hold views so far out there we aren't even in the same discussion. You view the human body, regardless of appearance or level of fitness 'gross', whereas I enjoy sexuality and celebrate the physical form.

>>80927994

And jumping the shark is when you go too far and break the suspension. Having a chick in a bikini fighting a bunch of dudes with machine guns and the story still take itself seriously just breaks the suspension.

I'll be honest I do not mind the drift away from the skimpy costume. I think theres a time and a place for it depending on the character. Namor will never not make sense wearing little to nothing, Likewise Emma Frost, makes sense dressing in more outrageous clothing.

But people love to use the word 'pandering' to describe what comics do these days for SJW's and female readers and minorities. That shit back then was pandering to. It was drawing big titties with not much covering them in silly poses that are there for no reason but to show off tits and ass for the sol expression of spoon feeding you horn-slop.
Sexy and even sexualized characters are cool in my book. but id love for the character to come first rather than how 'hawt' they look in a few buckles and straps. and i'm not gonna ball up my wittle fists and cry 'SJWS RUIN EVERYTHING' just because Psylocke doesn't dress in a blue bathing suit anymore.

>>80928050
>a visual medium has to make sense visual
Are you sure it's subjective?

>>80925566
I agree with everything but the Emma Frost thing. Her overtly sexual appearance is part of her character and personality.
When they had for instance Sue storm dressing like that though...it was kinda dumb.

>>80928182

>Sexbomb females are extinct

HAHAHA! One, my point wasn't to put more female badasses in comics, it was that the visuals need to convey this fact when you introduce one, just like how a sex bomb female will flaunt her looks when the occasion calls for it. Two, sexbomb females are extinct? With at least two femme fatales in every major male superhero title??

>>80926473
Robot body. Why would she wear pants? She's covering her vagina and nipples because its legally required, she has a jacket for pockets. Also, while she doesn't get naked in the series she has to in order to wear the invisibility cloak she did in the movie.

Why would she care what she wears? She never has and would probably go nude if she legally could.

>>80927968
>Everything or Nothing

This mentality is what's wrong with everything today, you have to be one way or another, there's no room to just be.

not everyone likes their food either spicy or bland, there's always room for a middle ground.

>>80926843
Starfire...hehe.
>see sexually liberated alien girl
>turn into 'you want sucky fuck fuck' living blow up doll
Yeah that was brilliant.

>>80928368
It's a robot body that looks exactly like a real one, and she goes out in public in a society where nobody else dresses like that. It's just a bizarre design choice.

>>80923190

she looks frumpy and uncomfortable to be there.

>>80923190
>that gloss
so it's true, the "skin" of that costume really is latex

>>80928359
>With at least two femme fatales in every major male superhero title??
Name 4 that dress provocatively in current comics. CURRENT comics.

>>80926473
Makoto doesn't really have a sense of her body as a human though. She would have sex with a kid just because he was curious. It mentally doesn't bother her . She acknowledges her skin but doesn't think of it the way people do.

>>80928272
>You view the human body, regardless of appearance or level of fitness 'gross',
Because it is. You, me, and everyone else is a writhing mass of meat, blood, fat, and bones. This is an objective fact.

>whereas I enjoy sexuality and celebrate the physical form.
Why? Rather, how? How can you possibly find anything alluring about visceral tissue and stretchy membranes full of holes which expel salty fluid? And how can you be proud of it?

>>80928219
>Yes, she uses her sex appeal for its advantage.
Which makes her a whore. Emma Frost is a whore, anon.

>>80928405
The material is too thick and the sash is so high its making the fucking costume look like it has built in mom jeans.

Honestly i would have rather they gone with the modern full on skin tight body suit.
Oh and chosen real fucking actress.

>>80928422
Starfire
Atlee
Harley quinn
Magick

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>>80928382
What's the diffrence between Starfire asking someone if they want to has sex and Dick asking someone if they want to have sex anon? I was never able to figure this one out.

Also, I know it's painful to do, but if you read more than that one page of RatO you'll see why I liked that version of Kori so much. I just wish that comic wasn't so bad.

>>80928447
Wrong. A whore has no advantages.

>>80928514
Well they're both male fantasies. When Starfire ask for sex we imagine she's askong us and when Dick ask for sex we see ourselves as him.

>>80928500
Star's current comic is hardly provocative at all, at least I don't find it to be, infact it's incredibly generic.

Magik, aside from being barefoot, has actually put more cloths on since leaving the cast of Uncanny X-Men.

Harley Quinn is a dumb slut who should dress like a whore

>>80927909
The Greeks and Romans are cited because it is them more than any other civilization that has influenced our current one.

I am a bit of a nudist i hate clothes they are impractical unless you are cold. I've worked in a few bars and been lucky enough to never have to wear a shirt. Women go to clubs and wear little clothes especially at raves because those get fucking hot! So fuck your sensibilities,you want to not be offended by seeing skin. You are exactly what is wrong with the left these days, your right to not be offended is bullshit. I should be able to wear what i want or not wear what i want (unless I'm at work).

And that is why Hercules is the best Marvel hero. He doesn't give a shit, he wants people to be free of social constraints.

>>80928514
I dunno whats the context of Dick doing it. Because with starfire heres what I read (and yeah sorry its what caused me to groan and put the book down as so much pandering garbage).
Starfire emerges from the water in a series of 'look at all that orange skin dont it make you horny' way. It didn't set up a funny moment or an awkward moment. It was just 'hey here look at this'. Then she walks up to green arrow junior and goes 'want some fuk' and hes surprised for a second then cool about it.
It didn't seem to serve any purpose beyond going 'hey look at how willing this alien lady is to fuck immediately'. It didn't give insight into her culture or her character. It was just there to present her as a super hot lady who will fuck immediately. It was some nerd fantasy pandering and done in a way that i think took away from the character.

>>80928447
You are insane. This is an objective fact. If what you have said is what you truly feel and not just super bait, you are insane. We as a species are served better by the fact you, most likely willingly, will not reproduce. You are the broken link in the circle of life. Do not ask me why, ask yourself why not? What part of your mind has been scarred, what part of your brain is damaged? That is the question. I have no answers for you, and fear what spells you may try to cast with all your wizardly might.

>>80928554
>when Dick ask for sex we see ourselves as him.
maybe we imagine ourselves the other person

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>>80928554
No, I'm asking for a diffrence, not how they are similar, from what I gather fans of the characters only complain about casual sex when it comes from Kori. Even this bit here isn't enough to diminish Dick's rep, whereas if it was Kori, plowing Jason right before inviting Jim to her and Dick's wedding fans would be up in arms and foaming at the mouth. Just strange ro me is all.

>>80928711
This just demonstrates how much of a dick Dick is. What kind of jackass would ever do that?

>>80928403
She would prefer to to wear anything. She compromising.

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I doubt that's true but even if it was, so what?

Capefags only care about 2 things: fanservice (in any form) and brand loyalty. The past 70 years prove that they'll keep buying this shit no matter what DC/Marvel do.

>>80928675
>I should be able to wear what i want or not wear what i want
Not anywhere I can see you, faggot. There are public decency laws for a reason. Go back to your filthy nudist colony and stay there.

>>80928699
>Do not ask me why, ask yourself why not? What part of your mind has been scarred, what part of your brain is damaged?
The only thing damaged is my eyes when some screeching ape decides to flash their disgusting body at me.

>>80928447
Right, have a miserable virgin life then. The human body is very enjoyable to touch and taste.

>>80928711
People complained about Kori's casual sex ecounters because she was emotional cold and detached.

>>80928764
One of Batman's kids?

>>80928813
>complains about public indecency
>never leaves the basement

>>80928813
You almost had me. Almost. Seriously, I almost believed you. You are good sir, and nearly had me on the line.

>>80928842
Oh yeah right, then it makes perfect sense.

>>80928453

>Oh and chosen real fucking actress.

If it wasn't Munn they would've went with some british goblin from GoT.

i appriciate that theres more practical logic put into someones costume (especially if theyre going out fighting and shit) but if it works for a character to be skimpy it works
why not both? variety is good, after all people are diferent
and a banana hammack cape just for kicks

>>80928447
>How can you possibly find anything alluring about visceral tissue and stretchy membranes full of holes which expel salty fluid? And how can you be proud of it?

I could maybe have understood the points you made towards the beginning of the thread (assuming that was you), but statements like this suggest that you not only have a problem with sex and women in comics but that you have significant and possibly unhealthy hang-ups with sex in general. Sex is a part of life for (most of ) us, so of course it's going to have a place in comics. The question is to what extent it should be depicted, and if Big 2/cape comics currently do a good job or an egregious or gratuitous job of it.

>>80929483
See, here's the issue with your argument. Just because sex is a part of life, doesn't make it a good thing. Cyanide and war are part of life too, does that mean we should celebrate it? Fuck no. So why the hell should we celebrate sex?

>you have significant and possibly unhealthy hang-ups with sex in general
Excuse me for not being particularly proud about being a filthy animal programmed to be nigh obsessed with sticking my dick in every hole I see. Are you actually okay with that kind of existence? Don't you find it the least bit hollow that this is how your reality is? Cause I do, this is a shitty way for life to function.

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>>80929943
Wanting more out of life than being a walking sperm bank is "edgy" now? Sure thing, pal.

>>80924073#
Go back to your fucking SDLG shit group you fucking faggot

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>>80923131
why would any sane heterosexual male not want to see women in skimpy outfits??

>>80927711
grew up in Africa people are surprised she doesn't wear lots of clothing

>>80930553
'Cause I'm trying to read a story and slutwear is very distracting.

>>80923437
If capeshit wants to be taken seriously it shouldn't be capeshit in the first place.

It's a genre that falls apart when you try and make things practical.

>>80928585
>Harley Quinn is a dumb slut who should dress like a whore

Ah, and there it is. Someone who can't come up with a constructive argument so he just pulls insults out of his ass. Buddy, you're going to have to resort to google if you want to see drawings of women in slutty outfits presented seriously. Deal with it.

>>80931021
Harley Quinn IS a dumb slut who dresses like a whore. Whether one means it as an insult or not, it's true.

>Buddy, you're going to have to resort to google if you want to see drawings of women in slutty outfits presented seriously.
And this is why comic books have been reduced to script fodder, because nerds will fight to the death to keep the comics themselves terrible.

>>80923131
it just made me realize i also have a fetish for women in uniform

it's a win/win situation

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A lot of anons here are missing the fact that a chick can be very sexy without dressing like a slut

>>80931111
>without dressing like a slut
>skin tight leather dress.

>>80929943
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>>80930301
Am I the only anon who believes this "above biological needs" anon have been called on his bullshit multiples times, and every now and then he resorts to samefag to keep his bait thread alive?

>>80924459
>People forgot that comics were supposed to be
stopped reading right there

>>80931111
And a lot of anons are missing that fanservice distracts from telling a good story. You either have to devote your resources to proper storytelling, or to cheesecake, you can't allocate to both and expect a good product.

>>80924718
Moodragon is known having sci fi bikinis all the time

also
>expecting cho to not draw skimpy women

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>>80931111
But anon that outfit is horrible.
Forgetting the "sluttiness" bullshit the giant cat face is idiotic. All that outfit is, is her old one with tacky cat eyes and the white trim taken away.
Even if you don't like sluttiness, that's a poor solution to it.
>>80931283
I don't think I buy that. Maybe if it's poorly done but if you're just completely taken out of the story because something mildly titillating happened that sounds more like an issue with the reader than the writer/artist.

>>80927356
but it's selene

she's a sadistic whore-queen of rome that wouldn't be found dead going to the groceries

she's the kind of person constantly wants to emanate sex. hell she sacrifices people to look younger

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>>80931283
>And a lot of anons are missing that fanservice distracts from telling a good story.
Does it?

I wouldn't say so. Ripley in her underwear didn't undermine Alien.

>>80930064
>>80930301
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>>80932037
I like how none of you could be bothered to actually answer the question. Probably because the only answers are "Yes" thus you'd have to agree with me, "losing" the argument, or "No" and making yourselves look like simpleton retards.

>>80929868
>I'm above biological needs

Jesus.

The main female character in my new comic is completely nude, and Image loved the concept. So looks like the bare super heroine aren't over yet.

>>80927909
>Their civilizations fell

BAHAHAHAHA, my God you're actually using this as an argument. I thought your type only existed in Tom Kratman books.

>>80932124
What argument?

All desires, including the ones you deem superior to sex drive, are just chemical reactions in your brain. There's no reason to consider any of them better than any other.

>>80932094
>Ripley in her underwear didn't undermine Alien.
Yes it did. Skivvies add unintentional humor to a scene that's supposed to be scary.

>>80932125
I certainly try to be. And honestly, nobody NEEDS to fuck. Maybe they need to rub one out every now and then, but nobody actually needs to fuck anybody else. Nothing's going to explode if you don't get laid.

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>>80928453
>>80928405

I read somewhere that Munn insisted on the swimsuit costume

>>80926473
>That's why pic related bothered me so much when I watched GitS
They actually did explain it. She dresses up like a sex doll as an expression of how she doesn't consider that body "hers". It's a mass-produced model and it's not a part of her self-identity.

You'd have less bodily modesty if there were hundreds of people out there who look exactly like you and people have seen those ones naked already.

>>80932366

that's well and good but I imagine even in the future most militarizes have some kind of dress code

>stories where people with ridiculous superpowers, colorful skintight costumes and attention-grabbing titles solve problems by skipping all due process and just beating up obvious bad guys with similar costumes/powers/names
>But if these costumes show too much skin it's just silly

>>80932325
>Yes it did. Skivvies add unintentional humor to a scene that's supposed to be scary.
To you, maybe. The vast majority of audiences found it scary AND sexy, but not less scary and definitely not funny.

>>80931021
What insults? Anon is right.

It's absolutely in-character for Harley to dress the way she does.

>>80925566
Poison Ivy is effectively a nymph. She seduces her enemies and turns them into thralls or destroys them. Wearing an awkwardly designed black latex suit doesn't seem to go well with this theme when in the past, the design worked around a naturalist look. Yes, this meant a lot of tasteful side boob and implied lewd, but that was her character.

Poison Ivy is a poor example for reasonably covering up a female character.

>>80932680
some artists did draw Poison Ivy full nude for a while there.

>>80932547
>scary AND sexy
... That's sick.

>>80932289
>There's no reason to consider any of them better than any other.
Sexual desires lead to shattered relationships, violence, rape, immuno-deficiency diseases, prejudice, annoying neckbeards drooling over shitty artwork, and (in one very memorable case) war.

So yeah, sex has quite a bit going against it.

>>80932729
Help me, anons! I don't have enough tips fedora images to describe how utterly cringe inducing this guy is!

>>80932463
She's part of a private extralegal security force run by one guy with ridiculous loophole-abusing skills, and she's the best they have.

They let her dress however she wants because it doesn't affect anyone's ability to do their jobs.

>>80930585
>people can't have different personalities in Africa.

Oh cause nudists only exist in America

>>80932960
That being said, she does decide to start wearing pants in the second season.

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>>80923437
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>>80926784

ugh who let all of the feminazi sjw retarded safe space college kids in here? fuck off back to tumblr with your bullshit, if they aint fucking each other in detail its not porn heroes can dress or be dressed by the artist how ever they want, if you dont like it then dont read it you fucking idiots!

no one outside of reddit and tumblr likes you feminists sjw morons! nobody, the whole world is getting sick of your shit! its not ok for you to keep trying to ruin movies games and comics by telling people what they should like and how fictional characters should dress and act, right and draw a book or program a game yourself you self important overly pretentious fucking pricks, you sjw feminists people are absolute garbage and the diarrhea of our current society!

>>80924073
speaking a foreign language on an english speaking board,,, for what purpose do you type this gibberish?

>>80923869
this guy fucken gets it!

>>80924406
>>80924756

ikr

>>80932353
She did. And when they were making it black she fought back and told them it has to be purple.

>>80932325

your a literal idiot

>>80927264
Or just Replace the She Hulk will a Buxom powerhouse of a tittymonster. Imagine a black porn starlet who bulks out when exposed to semen.

>>80932930
>>80933163
Seriously, you guys have no argument whatsoever. That's kind of amazing.

>>80932729
>Sexual desires lead to shattered relationships, violence, rape, immuno-deficiency diseases, prejudice, annoying neckbeards drooling over shitty artwork, and (in one very memorable case) war.

Lack of it also leads to broken relationships, sexual violence, major aggression, and all sorts of other mental and physical problems. Sex is healthy, both mentally and physically. Europe medical community has understood this and will give severely d issabled people money for prostitutes. Sex isn't just wham bam thank you mame. It connects people with humanity in a way you don't get any other way.

I'm not saying it doesn't have its darker side but sex makes you connect with life. It is important and healthy to every individual, unless you are an enlightened one like monks who meditate and shun all desire. Then denial is a tool.

Go and find a girlfriend, experiment and hopefully have sex with someone you care about,not a one night stand

>>80933025
So much salt

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>>80927264
Sounds outdated, we need to modernize.
We're getting left behind in the sexy game.
Out of touch nerds let out of wack feminists delude them into believing the modern world is devoid of gratuitous sexuality. But it's simply different. We need to look to other media and how they handle it.
Then we need to interpret it for the comics medium.
So y'know, more ass injections.

>>80933404
>Sex is healthy, both mentally and physically.
>It connects people with humanity in a way you don't get any other way.
It's much healthier to see someone as a person and not as an ambulatory fucktoy. Seems like if you need to have sex with someone to have a good relationship with someone, you're both just using each other.

>It is important and healthy to every individual,
How presumptuous. As before, nobody absolutely needs to fuck, it is not necessary, and there are more cons than pros to the act itself and the repercussions of it.

>>80927860
Right up there with Nuke as one of the absolute worst handlings of a character in the MCU.

>>80935044
Damm you, this was a few pages away from dying. Why didn't you sage?

>>80933770
You seem to think that loving someone sexually and loving them as a person are conflicting, rather than feelings that encourage each other.

Sad to lose the TnA, glad to lose the heels.

God, heels look dumb.

>>80935277
>You seem to think that loving someone sexually and loving them as a person are conflicting
That's because they are.

>>80929868
>hates the celebration of the necessary
I bet the Food Network triggers you into a coma.

>>80935457
>sex
>necessary

>>80935335
They are not at all. The reason we have them both is to encourage lasting sexual relationships, so that we keep reproducing and sticking around to care for the kids.

>>80935533
>keep reproducing
>implying this is a good thing
Uh huh.

>>80935580
>>I have never had sex
Damn right I haven't, and I don't want to either.

>>80927819
>Nolan
>Snyder
why

>>80935490
This attitude, which certain blithering idiots earnestly hold, is why I wish all men would stop donating sperm. Frankly, we'd then need the same individuals who bomb abortion clinics to bomb the sperm banks and wipe out all the reserve stock.

>>80933119
>She did. And when they were making it black she fought back and told them it has to be purple.

You know I don't really know how good an actress she is or how the movies gonna be

but everything I see about her in it really gives me the impression that's legit trying. And compared to some others, well she got my respect

>>80923131
I just wish they had cooler outfits. Usually end up being sexier for it as well.

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>>80935788

I always felt it wasn't ever really the costumes so much as well, shit like this.

The costume itself is really no more revealing than a gym leotard or a swimsuit but the way artists contort the bodies in ways that defy anatomy and physics just to get an ass shot is just jarring at best

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>>80923131
most skimpy outfits are incredibly boring. cleavage, no cleavage, pants, no pants, whatever, just make it aesthetically interesting

>>80935708
You ever hear the saying, "Don't knock it 'til you've tried it?"

Your ignorance on the subject is clearly poking out of your argument.

Also, a birth rate of at least 2 per couple is necessary for life to be sustainable. Otherwise the retired outnumber the working who support them, and everyone struggles to make ends meet.

>>80935858
Nah it's the costumes they bitch about

>>80935717
Then do please explain to poor ignorant me why sex is necessary for any reason. I'm sure you'll cite reproduction, vital to preserving our species and our approximately zero worthy accomplishments. Can't wait to hear about that.

>ITT: sour grapes

>>80935907

well that's why their complaints are often disregarded as being petty and dumb. If they took the more logical approach I think everyone would be a bit happier to compromise

>>80935948
Holy fuck I hate weekend /co/. That's when all the new age faggots and vitriolic asexuals come out.

>>80935916
It's about a necessary as art or friends.

>>80935916
Define "necessary".

If you mean purely in terms of survival: To prevent an aging population. If nobody had kids they would die as soon as they couldn't work anymore.

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>>80923131

It's over only temporarily. These things are cyclical, and the pendulum will swing back.

That said, what I want is a spectrum. I want every sort of outfit from basically normal clothes to "she would be arrested instantly if she walked around in that", and all steps between them. Variety is the spice of life. Spliff of lime. Something.

Also, attention needs to be paid to what kind of character is in question. A designated slut character such as, say, Catwoman, should never dress "realistically". On the other hand, somebody like Renee Montoya should always stay within the boundaries of decency, because that's just the type of characters they are.

>>80936070
I mean in terms of anything. In the greater scheme of things, why is sex necessary? Will it prevent the heat death of the universe? Will it stop everything you or anyone else has or ever will do from becoming 100% pointless? No? Then it's pointless.

>>80936004
If you don't want people to express their opinions about certain subjects, don't make threads, you little bitch.

>>80935858
>it's coming
and so have I

>>80936157
>I mean in terms of anything. In the greater scheme of things, why is sex necessary? Will it prevent the heat death of the universe? Will it stop everything you or anyone else has or ever will do from becoming 100% pointless? No? Then it's pointless.

You sound like a highschooler going through his nihilist phase.

>>80928406
I can see why though, hide imperfections and establish a 'smooth lines' look (prevent skin from pushing out of those tiny openings on the top part of those gloves for example)

>>80936157
When you back up that much, there's no point to anything. Nothing has purpose without desires. Desires are what make us decide the value of anything.

>>80936311
>Nothing has purpose without desires. Desires are what make us decide the value of anything.
But our desires are artificial, merely a set of pre-programed chemical reactions to various stimuli. So really, nothing has any value since our desires are not real, and thus can't determine value.

>>80936398
How does being a chemical reaction make our desires "not real"? That's literally what a desire is and has always been.

>>80924557
>soft sci-fi is disregarded
Literally more popular than it has ever been

>>80936398
That is the exact opposite of what "artificial" means.

>>80935884
better idea: just force retired people to live somewhere else

>>80936579
I don't want to die when I'm too old to work and I don't think you do, either.

Are you the kind of person who would just leave your mother to die?

>>80936488
>>80936513
Our desires are determined by a process beyond our control, so it's not what we want, but what our base instincts demand of us. Human beings intrinsically lack the ability of self-determination due to this, so we don't actually want anything, we just seek out what our subconsciousness tells us to go after.

>>80936657
Those pre-determined instincts are exactly what "wants" are. Saying we don't have wants because they're beyond our control is nonsense.

>>80936708
But we don't have wants. We're merely puppets controlled by strings made of neurochemical compounds. A true desire would come directly from the consciousness itself, unbound by physical mechanisms.

That, sadly, is impossible as far as anyone is a aware, so we're stuck being puppets.

>>80936899
>A true desire would come directly from the consciousness itself, unbound by physical mechanisms.
According to who?

You're just making up your own definitions of "want" and "desire".

>>80936899
You, apparently a slave to biochemistry, argue against yourself. How can you lack the urge if you are a slave to subconscious? How can you not understand sexuality if it is a primal and undeniable need? If we are mere puppets, how can you say your strings are not pulled upon as they are for everyone else?

>>80932729
>>scary AND sexy
>... That's sick.
Have you watched Alien recently? The fact that sexuality can be fucking terrifying is a major motif of the film.

>>80937131
I gotta rub one out every now and then. I didn't say shit about having my strings pulled, dude.

>>80936749
It's slightly amusing, and totally sad the shit people make up to avoid the idea that some people just don't like fucking.

>>80937221
It's slightly amusing, and totally sad the shit people make up to avoid the idea they are undesirable tryhards better off as virgins.

So who is currently the sluttiest superheroine, and who's the sluttiest hero?

>>80935044
But Nuke was handled fucking great in JJ.

>>80928500
Harley is getting covered up after rebirth.

>>80928841
So Fucking what?

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>>80923131
The skimpier the better

>>80931283
>And a lot of anons are missing that fanservice distracts from telling a good story.
For SOME PEOPLE.
That means a book that has it is made for the people that it is not distracting to in a non positive way, that means it's not made for you, you god damn selfish prick.

>You either have to devote your resources to proper storytelling, or to cheesecake, you can't allocate to both and expect a good product.
Bull Fucking Shit.
Storm or Scarlet Witch having cleavage has ZERO barring on the quality of the writing.
No one is asking for double page spreads of back broke poses.
We are asking they be posed the same as they would normally just have cleavage and revealing atire.

>>80933770
>It's much healthier to see someone as a person and not as an ambulatory fucktoy.
You can see someone as a person, friend and fucktoy/buddy and not want a serious relationship ship.
This idea that If your sleeping with someone but not having a dating romantic relationship with them equals not seeing them as a person needs to die in fire it's fucking bullshit.

>>80935858
Semi agree, I am one of the absolute strongest preachers in defense of Cheesecake out there and I am absolutely not asking for back broke poses, their will be plenty of other times when we could show her butt from a natural perspective that Land shot is retarded.

>>80937981
they didn't foreshadow enough his history of addiction, so him throwing away everything at the chance to get back on the reds came out of left field for anyone not familiar with the character

>>80938571

and honestly I don't think people would even really notice all that much if you draw a butt shot from a natural angle every few pages

the further you go for one the more you draw attention to it

>>80938333
>Storm or Scarlet Witch having cleavage has ZERO barring on the quality of the writing.
Yeah it does. It makes it clear that the creative team's priorities are on titlation and not the story. And the story will go out of its way to accommodate the fanservice.

>>80938491
>This idea that If your sleeping with someone but not having a dating romantic relationship with them equals not seeing them as a person needs to die in fire it's fucking bullshit.
Really, anon? You say this, and yet you're getting legitimately angry when someone wants to take your precious cheesecake away.

>>80923736
You don't see a lot of super heroine wearing high heels in comics nowdays. And when they do, a lot of artists can't draw them consistently.

>>80924289
She can fly...

>>80923131
Pissed cause in exchange I should actually get good stories, when in reality, We've lost the skimpy costumes and got bullshit semi-pandering stories that have the women barely fighting crime while acting like 14 year olds.

>>80939018
She was pretty grounded in the scenes against Doomsday

>>80938962
We need more tittah tittah tittah! Num num num gimmie milkies from them tittahs. Bounce them offa mah foreheaaaaad and tell me ah'm a bad boy! Slap them tittahs together and lemmie hear that CLAP! Hell yeah them tittahs give em a little jiggle, give em a little shake. Let's see them tittahs!

>>80923131
I'm said that the age of female superheroes and villains in skimpy outfits is over because the alternative is terrible. A superheroine's costume is supposed to be fashionable as fuck, not boring.

>>80938962
>women having cleavage breaks my immersion
So are you for or against comics being more "realistic"

>>80939231
I don't care either way if they're realistic or not. I just can't get invested in character who dress like strippers.

>>80938333
>>80938962
>>80939231
If superheroes existed in the real world the women would be wearing skin tight lulu lemon brand names and nylar sports bras. It would probably be even more scandalous than anything they've ever put in comics. We'd probably be straight up looking at taco and bootyholes flying through the sky all the time.

>>80927860
Honestly, the shift in personality bothered me a lot more than her outfit. And I'm pretty sure the movie would still work if she was a bit more agressive and cold.

>>80938962
>It makes it clear that the creative team's priorities are on titlation and not the story
Yes... because multi tasking isn't a thing.
>And the story will go out of its way to accommodate the fanservice.
Only if they are doing the elaborate poses and back broke bullshit which once again no one is asking for.
OK take this for example...
Take Cliff Chaing's Wonder Woman run, give us the exact same panels and poses that we got... only change being that for Cliff not to have drawn WW's breast plate almost up to her neck not allowing any cleavage to be visible.
That's is, it's that simple. That takes jack shit away from the story process.

>>80938962
>Really, anon? You say this, and yet you're getting legitimately angry when someone wants to take your precious cheesecake away.
And what the fuck does that have to do with seeing a fuck buddy as a person?
I can see a person, be interested in Sex and still see them as a fully rounded human being.
I can see a character in fiction, be interested in seeing them be presented visually sexually and still be interested in reading their story and pathos AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME!

>>80938962
There are no resources being "used up" by sexiness that would otherwise be applied elsewhere.

Whenever a female character fights these warlords and psychopathic supervillians I can't help but feel that their going to get raped for dressing like that.

>>80931283
In fact, you're telling us that you're so obsess with sex (for whatever reason) that any hint at sexuality breaks your immersion into a story, you just can't handle it.

I think it sucks that a lot of the replacement outfits are shit, and some of the skimpy outfits were iconic so it's a shame to see them go, but the skimpiness itself being gone doesn't really effect me positively or negatively.

>>80939387
That's your problem. Most people have more empathy than that.

>>80939773
Why would it matter how they're dressed? I can't imagine a cosmic warlord would look at a thin sheet of fabric and be like "ugh too much work to tear that off, guess I won't rape this bitch".

>>80939719
You don't see the person, you only see their ass. That's how your brain is programmed.

>>80939628
>Take Cliff Chaing's Wonder Woman run
I'd really rather not. Ever.

>>80939894
If you think about it, most of the villains in mainstream cape comics are actually really decent guys. They respect a woman's right to her own body even as they're using giant ultrahammers to mash them into the cores of dead planets.

>>80939773

If the villain was going to rape them then they'd do it regardless of how they dress

>>80939985
This is how your brain is programmed because you are a closet pervert.

>>80939387
So you think that if a woman has cleavage, she is a stripper? You realise how stupid that assumption is right?
I think you just have a person problem.

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>>80936649
He seems like the type, but considering he's liking in his mom's basement, that'd be a bad thing.

>>80939894
fiction doesn't exist in a vacuum. if a scene resembles a stock cliche then you are inserting that subtext. 'scantily clad heroine gets defeated then raped' is such a cliche and if you don't want people to see the scene through such a lens don't have your heroine dress like red sonya.

>>80940122
>So you think that if a woman has cleavage, she is a stripper?
No, you're right. The more accurate word is ho.

>>80940079
Our brain is programmed like that because we're human. And that makes us a pretty shitty species.

>>80940224
Lol you are a retard. Humans are top tier species. You of course are a human animal, while I have passed my gom jabbar and have joined with the other thinking human people.
You are a human animal, and I am a human person. Reading your words is like reading the simple scratchings of a chicken in the dirt. Please consider suicide.

>>80939985
>You don't see the person, you only see their ass.
Once again... MULTI TASKING MOTHER FUCKER.

>>80940224
The definition of a ho is a prostitute. Since very few superhero women sell sex for money (aside from X-23), we must say that this is objectively wrong.
Ho does mean a women in a deragotory sense, which would make you right. But if it's being used in a derogatory fashion, we're not really being objective then now are we?
I reiterate, you just seem to have a personal problem.

>>80939985
>You don't see the person, you only see their ass. That's how your brain is programmed
No, that's how YOUR brain is programmed. Psychology does not suggest that sexual attraction inhibits romantic interest, but the opposite.

>>80923131
It's a mixed bag for me. While my penis is thankful for skimpy outfits and all and I'm going to miss them, I know they're pretty dumb. Unless the entire characters gimmick is to be a mattress actress, I don't see why they would dress like a whore.

Has anyone here actually tried being a vigilante with an outfit that was mostly leather? I have and it smells easily and you overheat and exhaust yourself very very quickly. skimpy clothing in a place like los angeles makes sense.

>>80941131
Hey woah buddy, settle down. Many of them are dressed like figure skaters, gymnists, female weight lifters, swimmers...
To be honest, most of what we're calling cheesecake isn't too far off from what women professional athletes already wear. Saying they're dressed like whores when they look like the Brazilian world games volleyball team is kind of a disservice to women in general. It's actually insulting if you think about it.

>>80924289
only useful if she is killing bad guys just like at the butchers, where heels where originally made/used if those infobites are true...

>>80940719
you still haven't figured it out?
people will see an argument on the front page and use quick reply to add their two cents, and only autists bother to preface with 'not that anon but....'

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>>80941430
I find that answer a bit unsatisfactory.
Like yeah female athletes are typically low dressed because when done correctly wearing practically nothing is very practical however a lot of heroes male and female aren't half naked to practical means. Even the chicks who are just in leotards are typically in cuts and not "supported" the same way as a female gymnasts on top of having accessories that go against the "practicality".
It's pretty obvious that a lot of skimpy outfits are just because it's cool/sexy and that's fine every medium loves their ridiculous sex appeal , comics get a bum rap because they're just so desperate to seem mature.

>>80941430
Eh, I don't give a fuck. Maybe we should stop professional woman athletes from dressing like whores too. Since if it's too sexy and revealing for comics, it should be the same for the real world.

>>80940719
Except that it's more likely the latter. Remember what site you're on.

>>80930585
where in Africa?

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>>80941764

right well that brings me back to my point that it's the posses that are the problem.

Guys like sexy girls. That's never gonna change nor should it. You don't have to be ashamed for liking or for being sexy.

It's the Superman argument again. His suit is tight and shows off his power physic and musculature. You're flat out wrong if you say this isn't what women like.The counter to this is usually, "It's male power fantasy" and that is true so that being the case why not draw the women heroes in more dominant poses. Draw them as the ones in control of their clothes, their sex appeal and so on and so forth.

Draw power girl standing proud of her victories. Draw Psylocke standing firm flaunting the fact that she KNOWS she's deadly and hot as hell.

There's nothing about the costumes themselves that are bad. It's that they're being drawn by idiots who have the sexual maturity of a 7th grader.

Honestly I find confidence very attractive in women far more than the standard anime KYAAA Panty shot or twisted spine poses we see in comics

>>80942105
The problem with confident women is that those don't usually go for guys that don't at least have twice as much confidence.

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>>80931111
Felecia while showing off her clevage
>Heroic
>Loyal
>always tries to do what is right

Felecia covered up
>Petty
>Vindictive
>Evil


Look Im not saying I DISAGREE but you're example was terrible.

>>80941848
You are a misogynist, you lack respect for women.

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>>80924646
>>80924164
Most of those people complain regardless, though, so it's alright.

>>80942337

yeah there's that. I don't disagree that there's a lot we can improve on on the subject but it's not really near as bad as they would lead you to believe and frankly we shouldn't really worry too much about the people who don't read the books anyways.

>>80942275
I don't really care what other people think I am, I honestly just think it's silly reading a comic where it shows a band of heroes and the female is dressed and posed like a piece of meat.

>>80941764
The problem is that the people writing comics are too concerned with making comics into a 'serious' thing instead of something fun like they should be. Comics are flat out crazy already so who gives a fuck about being taken seriously. Just get back to fantastical stories about people flying around in their underwear.

>>80942423
Comics are already silly. Nothing will change that. Comics are a silly strange little hobby. No matter the comic, it is probably silly and weird and perhaps more than a bit childish. You are already a silly person for reading them. The problem is not comics, the problem is you and your disrespect towards women. However since you're already a child about comics it is no surprise that you are a child when it comes to women.

>>80930702
Dude, Marvel is so depressing nowadays.

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>>80942105
The pose argument is weak, since "dominant" women are drawn constantly, the broke spine poses aren't as common as made out to be and not always an issue of "sex appeal" since it happens to dudes as well. Plus people who complain about costumes period rather than specifying it's the pose

>>80923131

No, slutsuits just look fucking retarded

>>80927990
I wish the word autistic and autist had a wordfilter to something, like wizard or robot.

>>80928028
>media board
Kill yourself.

>>80942540
What I supposedly do shouldn't be any concern of yours, especially since we're no name fucktards on a Timorese logging forum. I don't hate women as a whole, they're people just like me. Do I disrespect some individual women? Sure if they deserve it. Hell I don't deserve respect. Feel free to get angry

I'm not 12 years old so I prefer cool and/or functional over looking like something they wear into a swimming pool.

Good riddance.

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>>80935708
Quit making virgins look retarded, you retard.