What's the worst thing you can say about Zootopia? For

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Ending was too rushed, Bellwether calling in ZPD as soon as she shot Nick was dumb, and was only to end the movie.

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>>80812279
>tfw even if the end was rushed, you still think Zootopia is the best movie of all time
Please tell me I'm not a fanboy...

>>80812408

I wouldn't say best movie, but I'm strongly tempted to say best Disney movie of the new millennium

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It wasn't done in 2D

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>>80812238
>too many cliches
>lame villain twist a-la Hans and Turbo
>bad pacing of the second half of the film
>failed attempt to make a tragic background for Nick (IMO)

I enjoyed Zootopia, but it will be hated and forgotten by /co/ just like Frozen is right now, like it or not.

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>>80812528
I don't want to believe it...

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>>80812528

Except Bellwether had much better motivation than Hans. The only thing Bellwether needed was more menace.

And she's cuter

Fathauser.

Not enough good species, too many shitty hoof species.

Not enough Finnick.

Dance party ending.

>>80812581
Goddamn that face, it's exactly the same face I've seen in a few adult Thai periodicals.

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smoochings hard on a muzzle.

>>80812238
>Gazelle seemed like a one hit wonder in her world.
MAN, I WONDER WHY

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>>80812820

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>>80812837

The sex scene felt rushed.

Real talk, I second not enough Finnick. I would even ask for a Finnick movie or book spin-off.

>>80812238
Bellwether was underdeveloped as a villain

Nick was underdeveloped as a protagonist

The Nighthowler plot was weird and kinda flimsy in how it all tied together

Finnick didn't get enough play in the story

Gazelle was shoehorned into everything and was more of a set piece than a character

>>80812238
I hated how the DMV scene existed only to eat up a ridiculous chunk of Judy's time and keep the pacing frantic

Speaking of which, did Judy and Nick really stay up for two-ish days straight?

Can I get a reverse Island of Dr. Moreau where instead of turning them into animals he turns them all into one identical apex species? Is Val Kilmer dead yet?

>>80812238
They got Shakira to voice Gazelle instead of Adele or Estelle.

>>80812238
I think they should have shown the predator fear getting so bad that Zootopia actually implemented or was about to implement the shock collars. That idea was sorta wasted

>>80812987

I actually believe so.

>>80813025

I would love to see Bellwether turning into a lioness

I wonder if she'd hate it, or go mad with power.

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i love nick

hes super cute

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Okay but what if this was hand animated? Everything is exactly the same, they just did classic hand drawn cel animation for it all.

The ice/tundra neighborhood was right next to the desert neighborhood. Basic laws of thermodynamics means that those really shouldn't be next to each other because they'd give huge wastage trying to compensate for the desert heat transfering to the ice neighborhood. At the very least, ice should be melted near that wall.

>>80812279
>>80812812
WHERE ARE MY GODDAMN LEMONS, BELLWETHER?!

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>>80813116
Only if it looks as good as Redline

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>>80812581
My point is that a "that guy was actually behind all the evil all along" trope is lazy as shit and I hope Disney writers don't utilize it in the future. but they will

>>80813116
Wait for the TV series I guess?

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Now I can't help but wonder if there were Neanderthanimals who got outpaced by Homo Animalus

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>>80812238

I actually really like "Try Everything" more now that I've seen the movie. It puts me in this "I'm going to Zootopia!" feeling, and it brings me a little hint of happiness...

>>80812528
Zootopia didn't exactly do anything outstandingly new or original, in terms of all of the tropes and cliches. It just did them well.

I think it may be benefiting from the FIM Effect in that the commercials make it seem like "LOL WACKY CRAZY ANIMAL WORLD!!" but the actual movie is so much better than that, so it seems really good in comparison to your expectations.

Is this movie worth it? I haven't watched it yet.

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>>80813160

>>80813116
Apart from it most likely flopping? Not much. It would just be more of a cult film than a huge blockbuster. It would just give Disney another reason to say "this is why we don't do 2D".

>>80813239

Yes. God yes. I've seen it 3 times now.

>>80813239
very

>>80812913
ay thats actually pretty funny

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why is japan getting all the cool shit?

>>80813109
He makes a great sunglasses cop.

>>80813239
YES! I'm going to watch it a third time tomorrow. This time with the english audio.

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BUT WHAT IF...

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>200+ fanart images saved

i've lost control of my life

>>80813270
How much does it cost to get a van painted by a professional? Finnick's van has inspired me to get my own shaggin-wagon.

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>>80813239
Go see it, you will never regret it!
Especially if you like movies as Ernest & Celestine.

>>80813270
Because there's a larger market for figurines and statuettes in japan, compared to america where toys are mostly seen as young childrens' playthings.

>>80813270
>those plushies
I WANT THEM

>>80813228
This. I gave that show you mentioned a shot because of the creator behind it. I love her works and I'll give anything she does a genuine, honest, chance. Glad I did because it's cute and, for what it is, well done in my opinion.

I thought Zootopia might be cute and have a few enjoyable moments, but I was wrong. It was cute and enjoyable the entire time. The story was more mature than I expected which it didn't have to be yet feel it benefited a lot for it.

I don't think it'll be forgotten or brushed aside so easy. In of itself it's just a great movie with some really good story elements. People loved the shit out of Frozen and while I liked it I did most certainly hate things like the trolls and the snowman. Zootopia had none of that shit. Not a single thing in the film felt like it didn't belong.

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>>80813309
>only 200+

I have that many in just my "couples" folder.

>>80813239
See it in RealD 3D if you can; I've seen it in RealD and IMAX, and RealD was much better.

>>80813239
Yes, the worst part of this movie is that it ends, it leaves you empty inside and willing for more, some concepts of the old draft were better anyway and I do agree that Nick was underdevoloped

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i want these

I DEMAND THEM.

>>80813240
>Potatowether

>>80813303
I would be OK with this. More than ok, actually. I fucking love it when cliches are reversed.

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>>80813309
I'm at 356. I feel like I am on top of the world.

tfw I feel like I could take on the whole empire myself

>>80812449
>but I'm strongly tempted to say best Disney movie of the new millennium
Wreck it Ralph exists so no

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>>80813378
I'm at 800 right now. Get on my level.

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>>80813393

>>80812987
I think that they slept after the wedding scene.

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and last but not least

though i dont remeber this car in the movie

>>80813393
>>80813423
fucking adorable

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>>80813354
This image REEKS of SSSonic2.

>>80813423
Shit, cuteness overload

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>>80813421
Teach me your ways senpai

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>>80813423
I will never experience this

>>80812238
I was thinking way too much about how many laws and procedures Judy broke despite being a cop.

>>80812238
I really want them to stop the "villain plot-twist" at the end. It was great when King Candy/Turbo did it because he had the menace and threat to back it up. But now its becoming predictable (like Yokai in Big Hero 6) or just out of left field (Hans from Frozen).

>>80813460
Because that's who drew it.

>>80813487

Just like real cops!

>>80813031
For fuck's sake. Its so obvious.

>>80813499
And it got deleted the last time it was posted

>>80812624
But rabbits do have large hind legs.

>>80813500
I would love a scene that's like the end of Hot Fuzz where they have to fill out a fuckton of paperwork to explain all the shit they did.

>>80813031
To be fair what animal puns could they make out of Shakira?

>>80813109
Lets be real here, how crooked of a cop is Nick going to be?

>implying he wouldn't plant evidence to make himself and Judy look better than everyone else

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>>80813502

check out this cute bunny, our new ZPD mascott, move along, Clawhauser!

>>80812238
I'm not gonna say that the villain should have had more screen time (since the movie almost %100 follows Judy (Which I like)), but I think some more context clues should have been sprinkled about.

>>80812812
I haven't seen the movie, why is the sheep a villain?

how do i draw nick

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We need more non-shipping fanart

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>>80813499
Worse than Slugbox. At least Slugshit has some shiny colors trying to fool you into thinking they're a good artist.

>>80813495
I'm sure they will probably have a more standard villain in the next movie.
If they don't it'll be a serious waste.

>>80813543
Would they take this direction with the sequel? Nick fucks up or gets framed and skips town or something then Judy has to find him and clear his name.

>>80813109

hope you dont want to put his feet in your mouth.

fangirls are weird.

>>80813556
Watch the movie.

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>>80812624
>Judy before and after she gets put on security guard duty

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>>80812238
I thought it was an okay movie, I thought it would be more exciting but it wasn't. 7.5-8/10 out of me.

Also, the ending(or climax) felt rushed to me. Not only that but I saw from a mile away that the blueberries and the Nighthowler serum were gonna be switched.

>>80813561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqRbtzTEVoI

This actually inspired me to start drawing for the first time in my life.

>>80813590

it's a kid's movie, duh.

they had to make it obvious so kids would follow.

>>80812408
>best movie of all time
You're fanboying hard.

>>80813578
i do

and im a guy

>>80813576
Well since the villain is going to be singing a song in Moana judging by the twitter post. I'm hoping he/she be a good one harbouring to villains like Ursula, Jafar and Gaston.

>>80813556
Racism.

The gazelle being named Gazelle not being named Giselle or fucking Mary at least or something. No one else is named by their species. It's like Shakira being named Colombia irl. It was really weird.

>>80813582
>sahara is hot as hell, so the most fun is during night.

so why heat this sand anyway?

>>80813602
Byron Howard is so moe.

I want to tuck him into bed and read him Frog and Toad.

>>80813569

who drew this pic?

>>80812408
Taste of course is subjective, but I can easily see this movie as "Best Animated Movie of all Time" to a lot of people. I'll call you a fanboy when an objectively mediocre TV show is made and you love it.

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They used the 'animals using modern technology' bit too much. Pretty much every scene had a character holding a smartphone or tablet. It's the same with BoJack Horseman but that show is aimed at adults so it's more acceptable.

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>>80812408
"Best movie of all time" is pushing it a lot.

"Best Disney movie in the past 10 years" is more reasonable.

>>80813649
I love how sincere he seems to be, like he really loves his job.

His voice is also pretty decent ASMR.

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>>80813647
this gave me a semi

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>>80813423

>>80813666
Signature says Frunorth. I don't know the actual source, Mr Sheep Satan.

>>80813543
>Carrots, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by predators. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Hopps? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Clawhauser and you curse the mayor. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Clawhauser's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to prey that rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up your badge, and work a hustle. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!

>>80813303
>Nick is constantly teased because he's a by-the-book uptight professional and has none of the savvy and slickness that his species is supposed to have
>Judy gets away with murder and is out the door before you realize you got conned by a bunny

>>80813582
>Train around town and not just straight to the center of town
>>80812238
found it op

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A bouncing biting bushel of funnies.

>>80813458
isn't that the one that nearly drove over nick when judy first sees him?

>>80813787
Not gonna lie, those look like freaks of nature that need to be put down for their own good
They should probably adopt

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>>80813725

useful, thank you.

but how to draw finnick?

>>80813647
wait did night howler change eye color? I don't quite remember

>>80813590
And they seemed to really drag that explanation out, too. All we needed was a quick shot of Bellweather opening up the gun to see blueberries and then look back at Nick holding the pellet while Judy grins and says "It's called a hustle, sweetheart." A couple of seconds, ten at tops.

It was just alright. It followed tropes well but did most of them adequately.

Zooptopia just seems like a regular decent movie.

How long are these threads going to last?

>>80813840
No, it just makes their eyes sorta glow

>>80813840
Yes

>>80813787
>Funnies
>Not Boxes.

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>>80813472
that fox

>>80813848
>How long are these threads going to last?

Until the mods decide to ban Zootopia discussion because of irrational fears of it turning into /frz/

>>80813848
Until the second one comes out

>>80813630
Cutest villain ever if you ask me.

>>80813888
>irrational fears
it's a very rational fear

>>80813840
Based loosely on my memory it made the pupils extremely dilated and made the iris black as well.

>>80813644
sahara confirmed red light district of zootopia

>>80813861
THANKS, FOXY MOMMA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGrPIH-nGPw

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>>80813472
lordy

>>80813848
Don't worry, /co/ and /tv/ will be /bvs/ soon enough.

>>80813888
My guess is something on the order of 50-100 generals, especially if they're within a month or two.

>>80813904
Need more Fox Nurse

>>80813897
Automatically assuming that every single new popular thing is going to become a cancerous general on the level of /frz/ is very irrational.

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THERE'S SUCH A THING AS TOO MANY POINTS IN AGILITY

Drive By Nuzzlings.

>>80813354
See you in three days.

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>>80813904

>>80813899
More like confirmed for being Vegas

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>>80813421
>800
Plebiscite, I'm at 1247 plus when the blue ray releases I'll have another 4000 Screencaps for every frame Judy appears

Stay up your game

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>>80814020

>>80813954
It's features a style of cartoon that is barely tolerated on /co/, especially with how fan artists use it, is a disney movie, and already has several calls for fanfictions from the threads. It's gotten to this point faster than the frozen generals did. Stamping out anything that looks like a general is a good thing in my book.

>>80814020
Thats, uh, actually a little creepy
Kinda uncanny valley

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>>80814034

>>80814038
>several calls for fanfictions
Lists of authors and artists have already been made, so it's even worse than that.

>>80814005
Is there a collage like this with Nick

nohomo

>>80814020
I'd steal her shirt.

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>>80814005
>I'll have another 4000 Screencaps for every frame Judy appears
Gotta steel myself for this one.

>>80813954
/frz/ was overloaded with incest lesbian art and fics that it broke /co/'s mind. Zootopia threads are about discussing the movie and filled with cute Judy X Nick art and fics, also a surprising lack of porn.

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>>80814088
I got you
no homo tho

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>>80812238
I feel like it couldn't really figure out what it was supposed to be about. It really didn't break from the western animation trope of needing to teach a lesson but it had like 3-4 lessons and I'm not really sure what the take-away was supposed to be by the end. Don't stereotype? Follow your dreams? Equality means equality for everyone?

>>80813681
I do like that they were using touch pads instead of mice. You know, for obvious reasons.

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>>80814129
a little homo tho

>>80814117
The same was true of /frz/ at the beginning, that it was all about movie discussion and art and fics. You're comparing the ending of a general's time here to the beginning of one and assuming that the latter will stay just as relevant and useful.

>>80813543
>Nick goes full Training Day after parting ways with Judy

>>80813483
>All we've got is a webm of Nick when he took off his collar

>>80814157
and now I'm frightened.

I think Idris did a good job as the police chief.

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>>80813239
Well, I want to see it for a third time even dubbed. So that should tell you something

>>80814168
Here's hoping the bluray features bonus content about the scraped original script/animation

>>80814134
"Anyone can be anything" means people besides you. It's nice to see it as an uplifting message but it's not necessarily personal, and if you're like Judy who thinks that she gets to break social barriers but predators can't then you're being an unfair hypocrite.

Follow your dreams, yeah, but that's kind of a given.

>>80813239
I'm really considering heading to the movies instead of waiting for a torrent at this point.

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I remember how bummed /co/ was when we found out that focus was taken from Nick to Judy in the rewrites. I'm still of that sentiment. With what had since been revealed about the older drafts, the Zootopia we got was pretty cheap and vanilla.

The older one seemed to have more of a realistic approach to social issues regarding anthropomorphic animals living together. Predators would have shock collars and there was more focus on the divided environments. It would've been neat to see a struggle of the animals *obtain* a peaceful status quo rather than *maintain*.

The Zootopia we actually got felt more like a sequel. The remnants of that initial draft was only in the third act with Nick and Judy's conflict after the press conference, so no wonder it felt like a cheap tack-on.

But we still got something OK, I guess.

>>80813888
You want to tell the newfags what /frz/ is? Was it that short-lived furry board?

>>80814210
I learned to follow my dreams and fuck a fox

>>80814134
Why not all of those? There was enough in the movie to communicate all of them them. They don't have to pick only one to nail home super hard.

>>80814238
If I'm not mistaken it was the Frozen general

>>80814157
Frozen was also in theaters for like 8 months
Zootopia has been out for less than one month and almost certainly wont stay out that long

>>80814234
If they adapted the original version into a book, would you read it?

Gazelle in general seemed forced, like they really wanted to have her in there for some reason.

>>80814226
Do it! Help it beat Minions.

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>>80812238
I cringed when Gazelle showed up as a good-guy activist and even made a whole speech about it that helped Judy realize shit

In the theater i went like "thank God Shakira's here to save the day!"
I didn't mind the song, but it was weird to me to give any sort of further relevance to the glorified celebrity cameo

Other than that i think shit went too fast after the revelation of the villain, but that one is understandable considering the movie's pretty long for an animated Disney feature

>>80814129
This goes straight into my reference folder. Thanks, __bro!

>>80814262
I didn't knew mods made assumptions.

>Shakira had no reason to exist in the movie
>The whole third act is meh
From the blueberries to Bellwether twist everything once Nick leaves feels rushed. Only thing enjoyed after that was the train scene with the Breaking Baaaaaad sheep.

>>80814238
/frz/ was the Frozen General.
At the start they discussed the movie, talking about things that happened in it, compared it to the older ideas of the movie, discusssed the character development and so on.

Then about two months after it came out it was all about lesbians and r9k posters wishing a character that had five minutes of screen time was real. And then it continued on four six more months.

>>80814278
Hell yeah

>>80814278
Not that anon, but yes. It might do better as a book because then it wouldn't need to conform to modern Disney's style that involves touching on serious issues but not fully exploring them out of fear of alienating children and families.

>>80814210
That's actually a very neutral message. Anyone can be a monster. Anyone can be a hero. It's almost a non-statement but it speaks to the chaos of our "messy" world.

>>80814210
Yeah that's true. That kind covers everything.

>>80814234
I'd say the opposite of pretty much all of that. Shock collars wouldn't really be realistic because that's not even close to how prejudice is today.

Prejudice is really undertone and subtle today, and very few people are blunt about it.

It's not about them being animals that makes them prejudice, it's mainly about how they used to be.

>>80814313
>wishing a character that had five minutes of screen time
Which character was this?

I can't think of any character in the movie that was only onscreen for five minutes besides the background servants or the snow golem.

>>80813888
>irrational

Look at the archives and look at the catalog. /zt/ is already at the foundation of /frz/. If these threads keep following a consistent rate by the end of this month, then something will need to be done.

>>80814234
>edgy=/=realisitc

>>80813666

Trunorth on FA

He's a fantastic artist

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>>80814317
why is she asian?

>>80814278
I'd like a graphic novel instead.

>>80814371
It's hardly edgy to look for reasons that predators would be able to tamp down their predatory instincts. The movie entirely glossed over how predators and prey came to actually coexist beyond "well we decided to be friends!" while shock collars would provide a real means of keeping violence in check.

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>>80814359
This is nice art and all.. but it just doesn't work. Like, it REALLY doesn't work

How'd you think will the UK version sound like?

>>80814366
>giving it a name
That's step #7 on the way to generals.

>>80814362
Elsa. of the four main characters she has the least screen times, the fewest lines. Yet she is easily the most popular character.

>>80814383
The real question is why is she human skinfags get out

>>80814422
It's because Nick doesn't have enough feminine features

>>80814433
>Clawhauser calls Judy cute
>"u wot m8"

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>>80814291
Planet Earth, I'll never forgive you.

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>>80814410
I wish I could read moon

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>>80814433
>How did you think will the
Probably the same

>>80814442
Oh, you were being sarcastic. I thought you meant someone with actually less than five minutes of screentime, not someone who has the most popular song in the movie.

>>80814412
What, do you want them to write goddamn LotR book on the lore?

See >>80814355 Sometimes less is more

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>>80814317
I'd love to know how to color like that. Are there any good tutorials for such coloring style?

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>>80814466
Maybe that's fucking subjective as fuck, but why bad movies get more success in the Box Office than good movies?

>>80814500
No, but in a universe where they show us that animals used to be just like they are in the real world, it helps to understand how they got from animal-like to sapient.

If they'd gotten rid of that school play at the beginning and just established that there are prejudices that exist concerning predator and prey relations then you wouldn't need an explanation.

>>80814522
I think it's a mix of advertisement and people that don't look into things before they see a movie.

>>80814553
I wouldn't consider the play as an explanation, but more an introduction.

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>>80812797
This reminds me of the episode of Kung Fu Panda where Song tried to seduce Po and attempts to do the Lady and the Tramp trick using a bowl of noodles. Her whole head ends up in Po's mouth.

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WHY CANT I STOP SAVING SHIT FROM THESE THREADS I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE FUCKING MOVIE YET!!!!

>>80814602
It introduced the issue and then completely glossed over it. That's what made it annoying instead of interesting. If you're not going to adequately explain something then just assume its presence.

>>80814522
There is a type of inhuman beast who lurks inside of the media called a "marketing exec", and as evil as they are they can be really good at their job. And sometimes their job is to push a movie. Most of the time that movie is bad.

At least Zootopia is a definite success. Less-successful movies from disney have had sequels and series.

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>>80814553
You don't need to know the entire history of the planet when it's not the point of the movie

The play was just a nice little piece of background lore, and that's it.

>>80814522
Zootopia will beat minions by a landslide, just wait it gets in the uk and JAPAN...

>>80814632
based frogposter

>>80814632
So...go see it...?

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>>80814355
But prejudice amongst various subspecies is not the same as prejudice amongst predators and prey.

Movies like The Fox and the Hound and The Land Before Time understood this. If you're going to make a movie about natural life struggles involving cartoon animals, you should at least put the associated characters on the same levels of the food chain.

And movies like Robin Hood, Kung Fu Panda, Jungle Book, and The Lion King got away with it because their focuses were on other subjects. However, in Zootopia's case, when your message of social acceptance is made through a natural circle of life that the world strives on, then your message falls flat.

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Why is Judy so much easier to draw then Nick?

>>80814672
because you're drawing Nick wrong.

>>80814522
Minions had very little dialogue so kids and non-English speakers could grasp it easily.
And Asia likes movies where everyone looks the same.

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anyone else sexually confused about the tigers?

why is nicks dick red

>>80814234
I really would like to see the original concept in all of its entirety. I think it would of have been a very powerful film.

>>80814632
WATCH.
IT.

We must kill the minions!

>>80812279
Yes

If they had shortened some of the gags like the DMV scene, you could've had a much more interesting ending sequence

>>80814658
It should have been skipped because it raised the question of "how?" and went "because, that's why!" which made it stupid instead of fun.

If something isn't going to be explained then leave it out.

>>80814683
Confused? No.

I know exactly what I want to do with them sexually.

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>>80814683
What do you mean anon

>>80814672
Nice Gideon! But you forgout his toupet and your name.

>>80814691
Just watch Casablanca, and pretend they're foxes and bunnies.

>>80814723
webms or get out

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>>80814683
Im straight but no homo i want to get fucked by them

>>80814672
Because if you're not good as visualizing things in 3D then you're going to have a hard time getting his snout right. Judy's face doesn't protrude as much so you can mess it up more and it'll usually still look okay. Construction is hard.

>>80814723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNFokmDKrE

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>>80814683
I'm a faggot if I like to think that behind that image of fucktoys for Gazelle, the Tigers are actually her friends and they like to dance for her because they can now be themselves without having the predator's stereotype shitting on their life?

>>80814701
To you and your autism maybe. It doesn't matter how they got smart, it could've been aliens for we know.

All that matters is they are and this is what they're doing right now.

>>80814683
who isn't sexually confused about the tigers.

>>80814254
*skinfag

>>80814701
>it raised the question of "how?"
No it didn't, you did. It simply told you want happened. "How" isn't important top the movie's plot.

Kids don't ask these questions because they don't feel the need to put everything into a box.

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>>80813309
>443 files
How did this happen? This is not counting pics I have saved on my phone.

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>>80814553
>If they'd gotten rid of that school play at the beginning and just established that there are prejudices that exist concerning predator and prey relations then you wouldn't need an explanation.

THIS!
This is an example of trying to be realistic and it ending up as a detriment.

>>80814788
If you can't everything between phone tablet and laptop, I know I'm over 1200

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>fall on your knees
>look up
>see this

What would you do?

>>80814770
It's not confusion if you just admit you want it

>>80814765
It's autistic to not want loose ends in a movie?

>>80814783
Yes, it did.
>"We used to be enemies, and now we're not!"
Wait, what the fuck, how did you get there?
>"We decided to overcome our urges!" What?

I get that some things are to be sacrificed for kids but again, if the explanation cannot be done well then simply remove it. The kids will accept it readily and older people won't be wondering about it.

>>80813240
>Smug core

>>80814832
Get back up, apologize for getting in the way of his work out routine.

>>80812528
Nick's back story worked way better than Judy's to me.

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>>80813116
As >>80813253 said it would have a very devoted fandom but it would be a financial dud for Disney. The unfortunate fact of the matter with animation is that you have to sometimes make compromises in order to get the movie made, because animation is expensive and needs to have very broad appeal.

That's not even the case with Zootopia, though. Byron Howard has worked on several CG films and the goal with Zootopia was always to have it be 3D. The initial outset of the project was that Howard wanted to make a new Disney movie in the vein of other animal-heavy films like The Jungle Book, Robin Hood and The Lion King but with modern animation technology. It's not like he and the team pitched Zootopia as a 2D film and then Disney made them switch it over to 3D.

If 2D Zootopia is really what you want to see though, look on the bright side: the movie is making so much money that it's pretty much guaranteed to get a TV show, and odds are that the TV show will be 2D. Seeing as Duck Tales is getting a reboot, we might actually see a return to form of the classic 80s-90s golden era of Disney TV cartoons. Zootopia could easily fit into that category since the characters already translate perfectly into 2D and most of the major design work is already taken care of.

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I need to organize all of my Bellwether stuff. I probably have around 100 Bellwether images

>>80814832

Leave the apple store

>>80814739
But they are.

>>80814867
>It's autistic to not want loose ends in a movie?
What loose ends? Your "loose ends" are non-factors to the actual movie

>>80814867
I'm not the guy you've been talking to but, it's not a loose end its just unexplained. Just make up some head canon and believe really hard.

Like the guy who said they must have nuclear fusion in order to power all this shit. And people who don't see Judy and Nick as together, you just have to believe really hard.

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>>80814234
They showed the test footage and explained the plot they had originally to some pixar people, and the consensus was that Nick's cynical outlook and the dark tone of everything made idea of 'obtaining peace' unrealistic. They would rather have had Nick escape the city because the movie made it out to be beyond saving. Personally, I think they were right, and the changes they made worked to make a much better film.
Plus, the thing with the shock collars wasn't well thought out though, at least from what I've seen. Does every predator everywhere have to wear collars, or is it just in Zootopia? If it's everywhere, how on earth could Nick and Judy go about changing the entire world's view. If it's only in Zootopia, then why would predator's eve live there? Also, does that mean predator's just go savage at certain times every where else in the world? What kind of massage does that send, that you can't ignore what you are and that you have no control over it? If they aren't and savagery is just a myth, then wouldn't the fact that there are no incidents of savagery be proof enough that shock collars are unnecessary?
The bleak, cynical film wouldn't work to have the kind of ending they wanted, and would have made for an unsatisfying film and might even have ruined the chemistry between Nick and Judy, which is arguably the best thing about the final version.
I think the movie we got is more satisfying in its conclusion, more air tight in its setting, and overall more enjoyable.

>>80814886
I require all of them. I never thought I would like a sheep more than Leggy, but it's happened.

>>80814886
bellwether a cute

>>80812528
I dint see it as an attempt at tragic backstory so much as a brief explanation of what made him a con man who's distant emotionally and dosnt give a fuck about lying to people.

>>80814832
I thought these were snakes in the thumbnail

>>80814886
It's cheating to put Judy's mouth on Bellwether's face.

My biggest gripe in the movie was the old tale of young person leaves the farm to go to the big city.

That hasn't been relevant since the early 20th century. Most people are born and raised now in an urban or suburban environment(at least in first world nations).

That and I get tired of the farmers are stupid hicks trope. There are plenty that are, but most of them are actually very in touch when it comes to economics and what's going on in the world because it directly effects their business. They're not sheltered shut ins.

But that just goes back to the old trope I mentioned before.

Other than that really loved the movie.

>>80814867
>"We used to be enemies, and now we're not!"
I think you don't know what "raising the question" means. The movie tells you what happened and how they are now. You are given all the important information for the movie right there. The question would be raised by the movie if someone in the movie ever asked how it happened, which no one does. It would only be a loose end if knowing how they stopped being enemies was important to the plot, which it isn't.

the backstory isn't "sacrificed" for children, it is simply not important in any way. Adults have this terrible idea that everything has to be a realistic representation of things when is doesn't.

how 2 draw eyes

>>80814934
The movie is about how social creatures must deal with prejudices that stem from biological differences in order to maintain a society. Plop people right down into that without any "it used to be like our world but now it's not" and you can accept its differences and not compare it to our world and see the gap between our animals and their animals as an issue.

No, it's not a movie-breaking issue. Yes, it's annoying and it sullies some of the immersion because of it and since it's unnecessary it should not have been that way.

>>80815005
So if it's not important then leave it out. Entirely.

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>>80814958
More like SMELLWEATHER LOL

>>80815009
how can you draw them if theyre not real?

>>80815034
>So if it's not important then leave it out. Entirely.
exactly, and the how was not important, so they left it out.

>>80815039
Her design is hideous and her voice isn't much better. Why on Earth do people like her?

>>80815002
How where they hicks? They used PAWphones (:3!!!!!) and ran a very successful buisness. Are you talking about the accent?

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>>80815061

She is cute, her voice is adorable.

I will muzzle you.

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>>80812238
Honestly the worst thing I can say about the movie is how inorganic the moral lessons can be. It's like there will be 10-15 minutes of really funny gags or jokes, and then 5 minutes of someone being racist, and then 10 minutes of character development.

It's a small gripe though, maybe 10% of the movie was dedicated to prejudice.

>>80815009
The same way you draw everything else: lots of practice and references.

>>80814946
Couldn't agree more, as cool as the gritty noir-esq plot and setting of the early drafts would've been, we undoubtedly got the better film. Nick and judy's chemistry is some of the most natural writing I've seen in years, other studios should take note.

>>80815053
The how became important because they introduced the history of prey and predators as being animal-like until they suddenly stopped.

Get rid of that and just have a scene where they talk about Zootopia as a technological and social marvel. Judy's impressed and happy and we get introduced to a world where predators and prey have issues interacting but nothing about their history because it's not brought up.

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>>80815061
She has the voice of an angel you swine

>>80815088
Her hair is balls tacked to her head and her voice is high and annoying.

>>80815002
Did you even see the movie?

>>80815002
The Hopps weren't dumb hicks, Judy's father is a botanical savant. The word you are looking for is sheltered which describes Judy to a T.

>>80815079
No, the accent's fine. It's more of the fear of the "big city." Or general fear of the outside world.

But maybe I just got the wrong impression. It's pretty minor overall. It didn't stop me from enjoying the movie.

>>80815149
They so aren't hicks, there isn't even a joke about them having no idea how to use the MuzzleTime on their iPhones properly.

>>80815120
>The how became important because they introduced the history of prey and predators as being animal-like until they suddenly stopped.
Why is the how important?
It is never referenced. It is never brought up. It plays no role in the story.
Only the information that, in this world animals were once just animals, and now they are not, is important.

>>80812581
5 bucks says she wears contacts.
"Smellwether, do something about your eyes! They're freaky."

First week: shades. Lionheart gripes about her looking shifty

Second week: contacts. Lionheart gives a gruff "Better. Here, file these contracts."

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Why was he in jail at the end? He did nothing wrong. Who is Zootopias new Mayor?

>>80815202
They're called PAWphones (:3!!!!!)

>>80815120
You don't need to.

The prejudice is right there on the screen for the audience to see, if the movie actually took the time to explain itself in greater detail it would hurt the actual plot.

>>80815202
that is an old parent thing not a hick thing.

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Would you a real Judy?

>>80815274
>Why was he in jail at the end? He did nothing wrong.
because he kidnapped and imprisoned people, and more than likely obstructed police work.
>Who is Zootopias new Mayor?
There's a little post movie story and it seems to be someone from Little Rodentia

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>>80813179
It is unfortunately a bit of an oversimplifications of things-- in real life, intersectional tensions are more often than not the result of very complex ongoing issues, and there's almost never a single rabble rouser who the responsibility can be pinned on. It can be presumed that predator-on-prey violence was already a thing in the city since predators are generally stronger and faster than prey, however the movie never really drove it as a point that it was a serious problem. In general the city seems pretty clean and financially successful, and hasn't been shown to have fallen victim to urban decay in any significant way.

Bellwether's reasons for hating prey seemed to be personal because of the way predators like Mayor Lionheart treats her, always pushing her around. She wanted to make everyone hate predators as much as she does, so she created a conspiracy and committed what is essentially bio terrorism against the city. We can infer that she created the conflict rather than simply capitalizing on one that was already in progress, which for a kids' movie is fine although it's an oversimplification of where these things really start.

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>>80812238
Nick overreacted at the press conference, which made both that scene and the apology scene feel forced. Other than that, the movie is fantastic.

>>80814632
Are you britfag/japfag? If no, then go see it.

>>80815293
I'm talking to walls here. I've said over and over again that if something cannot be adequately explained then it shouldn't be.

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>>80813472

>>80815345
you don't seem to understand concepts of budgets and editing and making something entertaining.
Do you feel that any movie that has black and white people interacting needs to explain the slave trade?

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>>80815146
Don't you talk shit about the Pomfadore poof. I will nightholwer you.

>>80815089
How was it inorganic? Judy was slipping up and letting her prejudice show before she fucked up big time. And the beginning shows us that her encounter with Gideon helped her reach that point. When Nick confronts her and she initially doesn't see anything wrong with what she said or how she said it, that felt like a very real moment. The moral was ambiguous even then as Judy's speech at the end wasn't simple, "hey kids, racism is not cool."

>>80814522
Lowest-common-denominator bullshit sells well.

See: Family Guy

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>>80815146

It's a pompadour

>>80815331
No he didn't. The implications of her interview answers go deep.

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>>80815331
>Overreacting
He had every right to react the way he did.

>>80815331
He was Triggered

>>80815388
Actual walls. Christ.

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>>80815345
The movie explained it well enough. Animals are now smart, that's all you need to know.
You are asking for superfluous details

>>80815420
and are shown to cause unrest in the community. Nick hit the nail on the head.

>>80815426
Are you trying to kill me with feels

because it's working

>>80815397
>>80815410
And it's ugly as fuck. Like a somehow uglier version of an afro.

>>80815331
If anything, he underreacted. He should have spelled out to her face just how the citizens of Zootopia were going to react to Judy's speech.

>>80815410
I want to pet Bellwether and make her go where no sheep has gone before

>>80815444
Just give up, the kid can't understand abstract concepts.

>>80815410
speaking of which why haven't I seen Josuke Bellwether yet

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>tfw Fennec foxes are shit pets
>tfw cant touch fluffy ears

>>80815436
Maybe you shouldn't be watching children's movies.

i want to hug nick

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>>80815465
Are you gonna take her to Flavor Town?

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>>80815505
Even though he's a fox?

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>>80813742
>Tumblr making the humanizations the same race as the VA