>Hades is a bad guy >Hera is a loving mother >Zeus isn't

>>78508132
Zeus was never a rapist
Just a lovable rascal that early feminists took umbrage against

Yep anon that all sounds perfectly acceptable for a children's film.

>>78508169
Hunchback had a song about a sexually repressed old man wanting to rape a Gypsy

>>78508169
It is if your country isn't raising trash.

>Hades never gets his own villain song

Yeah the Fates sing a couple of lines, but that's it.

Hades never gets his own number in the film.

>>78508132
I really loved the tv show, was amazing

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>Hercules and Zeus
>Not Hercules and Jupiter or Heracles and Zeus
How did this become so common? Where did it come from?

>>78508377
Blame Kevin Sorbo.

>>78508333
>Isn't raising emotionally corrupt sociopath

I'm sorry that Disney decided not to make a "Historically curate" film based on a fairy tale.

>>78508209
>wanting to rape
Hatesex maybe but not rape. He just wanted to kill her if she won't takes the D.

>There will never be a Hercultron, a Robot with the strength of 10 Robots

>>78508390
No, I'm pretty sure this has gone on for longer than that.

>>78508132
This reminds me, Hades actually has a daughter, Her name is Marcaria, the story is that she had a horrifically burnt face and she was unloved by bascially every being in existence except for her father and Hades was always trying to make her happy going as far as forcing his only son Zargreus to be her boyfriend when he found out she was lonely.

I won't expect Disney to use her because of how obscure she is but damn do I want them to, Hades being a subservient and caring father that just wants to make her baby girl happy is a Hades I have to see, theirs that Disney Descendants thing, let's use her in that!

She's also the personification of a quiet and peaceful death.

>>78508350
Can James Wood even sing?

>>78508400
Stories like those have been told to kids in most cultures in the world. Only modern america and their pets have a problem with those issues today.

Aladdin is an animated remake of The Thief of Bagdad.

>>78508132

just about every western adaptation of hades associates him with hell. Even though the underworld wasn't hell, so.... they make hades the devil. Hades was a neutral character like Death. Yet they can't help but make him some kind of satan.

>>78508914
Issues of rapist Gods and beating people to death? Maybe in third-world countries.

You see I am completely ok with Children being told stories with adult themes as long as it pertains to the real world and real world issues and changing a fairy tale to make the story more entertaining/accessible to people of all ages and backgrounds is completely fine.

Are you telling me that you are too Autistic to enjoy one of the best animated films ever made just because it differs from another fictional story thousands of years old that has been retold countless times?

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>>78508776
Found this on deviantart of her

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>converting Greek Mythology to a children's film
Wow sure love hearing the same exact shit for 10 years.
The story of Hercules is not for kids. Its about a guy who brutally murders his own family with his bare hands then has to kill giant animals and clean shit out a stable for years.

Should we put in that part where a hydra spawns from someone's nutsack being cut off? The kids will love it!

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Was it really not clear that I was taking a piss with the thread?

>>78508861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hRZcirkhiQ

be the judge.

>>78508209
>wanting to rape a Gypsy

I don't see the problem.

>>78508132
And it's STILL the best Disney movie.

>>78509034
Holy shit, she's cute.

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>>78509034
>qt ginger demigod will never sweep you off your feet
Why even live?

>>78508776
Depending on the cult and interpretation, Melenoe and Zagreus are Hades' kids too.

>>78509291
I mentioned Zagreus actually.

>>78509034
>Should we put in that part where a hydra spawns from someone's nutsack being cut off?
I thought Hydra was one of Echidna and Typhon's offspring.

>>78509365
Something comes out of someone's spilled testicle blood

>>78509402
That's The Furies and Aphrodite.

Greeks have a lot of nutty ass monsters, it's not always easy keeping them straight.

>>78509291
>Zagreus
I refuse to believe that isn't a Godzilla kaiju

>>78509359
Sorry the spelling threw me off for some reason.

shoot, i can't find my aphrodite pics to post

>>78508132
Oh hey it's another "I'm going to complain about Disney's unfaithfulness to the original because for once I know the original story" thread. I guess at least this time it's not Pocahontas.

>>78508991
If you think mythology doesn't pertain to the real world you haven't paid attention.

>>78509034
I enjoyed it fine as a kid.

>>78508132
>>Zeus isn't a rapist
Zeus was never a rapist. Women threw themselves at him. The ones he turned down were so bitter and jealous like all women are when they don't get their way, they started spreading nasty rumors about him.

>>78509755
Paid attention to what? Care to elaborate?

>>78509786
Posideon was the rapist.

>>78508132
It'd be pretty funny if Herc freed Zeus then immediately burst into flames in his presence.

Though, if it followed myth Hades would never challenge his brother and Zeus kills everyone with lightning.

>>78508132
When they got James Woods to do the voice they had to make him into a villain obviously.

>>78508132
Actually, it was a well done classical satire in Greek tradition. They took the story of Hercules and turned it into the story of Superman, and their use of a Satyr was spot on.

Even if it wasn't faithful to the original myths, it was faithful to a whole bunch of Greek storytelling tropes, to the point that it could be argued that what they tried was even harder than just retelling a story.

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Oh look, it's this thread again

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>Hades doesn't kidnap Persephone but she falls for him because Hades got Persephone away from her bitchy mother Demeter

>>78511984
No he kidnaps her then she falls for him.
Depending on the myth.

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>>78508132
Yes, yes they fucking were. Because they got based James Woods to play Hades.

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>>78508154
>Lovable rascal.
Best description I have heard of Zeus.

>>78514188
Everyone forgets that Zeus had a magical cock, and everything he put it inside enjoyed the experience more than he did

>>78512133
It's a pretty complex with with multiple perspectives. It's actually one of the most important myths in ancient Greek culture and philosophy, with Queen Persephone being one of the most venerated Gods they worshipped

>>78514230
Even if they enjoyed the rape, the fallout was typically always horrible.
Greek Tragedy may as well have been an STD when it came to Zeus...but that goes for pretty much all the gods.

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>>78514402
All of these myths are far more complex than people tealize when you study them in depth. Zeus was also the righteous arbiter of an ordered cosmos and the champion of civilization against primordial chaos

>>78508132
That's because it's not the original myth. It's a modern take on ancient greek comedy plays featuring a literal chorus narrating the story and a wacky satyr comic relief sidekick, which is something the Greeks had a whole subgenre of comic plays devoted to. Pour in elements of the modern Hercules story of Superman and there you go.

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>>78509034
Too small.

>>78511984
Apparently one of the rejected pitches for a Persephone episode of the Hercules TV show was turning it into a divorce story where Hades and Demeter fight over custody of their child.

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>it's a "mortal challenges the gods, because that worked out so great for the last 80 guys" myth

>>78508132
>were you even trying disney

obviously, DC still hasn't made a better Superman

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>>78508132
This movie needed more Ares.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eS4YLQ8t2M
>This is the last time you make a god out of the fool of war!

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>>78514603
>muscle girl, yet fat

>>78514737
Is there a bigger jobber in Greek mythology than Ares?

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>>78514704
My favorite is when Apollo flays Marsyas alive. Everyone always imagines him ripping his skin off in one quick motion, but Apollo actually took his time with it, starting at his feet while he hung upside down

He should have known better than to think the irritating noises of his flute could ever match the divine vibrations of Apollo's lyre

>>78514737
Ares always gets a bad rap in his depictions. Gods are in part defined by the other Gods and deities they associate with. Ares, being the consort of Aphrodite, was just as much a passionate and empowering lover of women as he was a war God. He was a sex symbol that women dreamed about.

People also often forget that Aphrodite is of the older generation of Gods, while Ares is of the younger generation. People often envision them as two youthful Gods, but by the time Aphrodite took Ares as her lover, it would have been more of a cougar kind of situation.

>>78514834
That's his role in mythology. He was perpetually the God of the enemies of the Greek/Olympian order. He was the God of barbarian hordes, and the God that populated the wild woods with dragons. Ares was diametrically opposed to civilization after his exile from Olympus, and kept sacred groves deep in the wild as his places of worship.

>>78512133
I thought it was he kidnapped her then let her leave but gave a fruit that she ate and it willed her to return to him for a set period of time. Granted the last time I read mythology was in 6th grade so I may not be getting all the details right

>>78515046
>Ares is the god of /ss/
Very nice

>>78508132
>Hades is a bad guy
This is 100% accurate to Greek myth, revisionist. Where did this "Hades wasn't baaaad" meme come from anyway? He's a dick and only comes off good in comparison to other gods with more myth about them.

>>78515497
Because people think that since Hades wasn't as terrible as most of the other gods, this must mean he wasn't a bad person at all ever.

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>>78515046
>>78515280

>>78509034
>The story of Hercules is not for kids. Its about a guy who brutally murders his own family with his bare hands then has to kill giant animals and clean shit out a stable for years.
I read tons of fucked up Greek myths as a kid. So did most people I know. If it's in a myth it's socially acceptable content for children.

>>78515234
It's a very complex myth that has multiple perspectives not taught in school. The first part is from Demeters perspective, in which she imagines Persephone withering away in horror as a prisoner in the Underworld, and the second part from Persephones perspective where she journeys through the Underworld facing and mastering it's horrors, growing past her role as Kore the maiden and becoming the powerful and radiant Queen of the Dead, climaxing in an explosive sexual union between her and Hades

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Okay we've established that Disney's Hercules movie is a damn good one that stands up on its own.

But what about the TV show?

Personally I liked it, continuity be damned.

>>78515497
>>78515757
Hades was grim and terrifying, but he wasn't malicious in his nature. He was feared because if you ever laid your eyes upon him, it meant you were dead. He was the Lord of ghosts and lost spirits. When you entered his kingdom, you simply became another ghost wailing and haunting the halls of his palace, with Hades acting as your King. He was the judge of the dead, cold and distant on his throne, but he judged without arrogance or indignation.

People think of him as one of the more righteous Gods because he was the only one who was sternly responsible in his role above all else, despite being given the most demanding of positions.

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>>78516173
Agreed. You also got to see more of the other gods, which was always fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C6D9CKo7S4

>>78516251
It is important though that Hades is deeply feared by mortals

>>78516173
I like it and hey, they did provide an out as far as continuity goes with the memory wiping Lethe River Water popping up in a few episodes. Including one with a younger Meg.

>>78509786
>>78508154
>>78515497

fucking zeus shills go back to olympia

>>78515046
The reason is most of our knowledge of Greek myth comes from Athens, who... weren't fans of Sparta and by extension Ares, to say the least.

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>>78514704
My personal favorite is the story of how the centaurs, Ixionedae came to be. There's a guy named Ixion, he was rich, had a big mansion, and all of that. Marries one of the wealthier girls in town, however he has to pay up for the privilege of marrying her with some of his goats. During the after-wedding party, he kills his father-in-law for "charging too much". He's banished for breaking sacred hospitality and murder. Zeus, and the rest of the gods, take pity on the guy, as he may have been a bad host, but surely he would be a good guest? I mean, after all, it's only the Olympians, who are known for their capricious and cruel treatment of mortals, giving him the opportunity of being their guest. So, when their feasting, Ixion starts blatantly flirting and hitting on Hera!

Sure, it might have just been Dionysus' "special blend" of booze, so they let it go. Zeus, on the other hand, decides to test him. He makes a cloud woman in the shape of Hera, brings her to life, and floats her past the silk curtains of Ixion's room. He rapes her. He rapes her, THINKING IT WAS ZEUS'S WIFE/SISTER! For this abominable act, that he would rape Zeus's wife in his own home when Zeus had shown him some kindness out of his godly heart, he's fried on the spot and sent to Tartarus, where he flayed, lit on fire, and nailed to spinning wheel for all eternity.

Oh, and the cloud girl had baby centaurs. The end!

>>78517412

Washington? Why?

>>78517797
It truly took a lot for a mortal to be sent to Tartarus. That was a realm reserved for ancient primordial evils

>>78516253
In the end, I realize how strange this series was.
Maybe that's why I was compelled to watch it?

>>78516253
>If you think I'm just going to stand by while Hercules ruins my weekend, you are sadly mistaken my hired friend.

>>78516253
Who was Poseidon sleeping with and why didn't she wake up when he sent their bed down a flight of stairs?

>>78517797
>Tries to rape the queen of the gods
How stupid can one man get?

Also jesus they gave him a lot of chances.

>>78508209
>rape
>a gypsy

That word combination doesn't make sense.

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>>78508631
> He just wanted to kill her if she won't takes the D.
Seriously is Frollo the most relatable character ever.

Didn't Zeus fuck a woman when he took the form of a goat at some point?

>>78508991
Just like in Norse or Greek Mythology that are told to kids every day.

>>78522655
Let's see he was a bull, a swan, a golden shower, her husband, an eagle or maybe that was just after he fucked her as her husband, and one time I'm pretty sure he was just light.
So maybe.

>>78522655
He fucked women in a lot of earthly animal shapes.
His dick couldnt be tamed and Hera was pissed.

>>78514862
When are we going to get a movie about based Apollo?

>>78516253
more Aphrodite is always good
those hips don't lie

>>78514781
>fat
don't make me summon the thickfags

>>78508209
trying to adapt a victor hugo work into a kid's movie was a mistake

>>78508369
it was pretty cool how much they worked within the mythos of greek mythology, I wish they had done the same with the aladdin cartoon

>>78516484
Except that doesn't really work because Hades' whole plan was setting up for the Titans' big return, which was dependent on Hercules not being alive.

and in the animated series, Hades only gave a shit about Hercules when he was ruining his plan of the day, as opposed to his "grand plan".

>>78524863
Point is, if Hades got a good splashing with it off-screen, he'd forget Hercules was still alive in time for the shit that happens in the post-training montage part of the movie.

Yeah, it's an asspull/conjecture thing, but at least it's something they left for people to consider.

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>>78508776
>burnt face
hmmmmmm

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>>78521287
He was married to a sexy sea nymph named Amphitrite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KEN5F0iPAM

>>78527344
Give me the chocolate

>>78508169

It is fine. Stop treating your children like they're still in the infant stage.

>>78509402

I guess you're not much of a mythology buff.

>>78508132

The fact that he was "Hercules" and not "Heracles" should have clued you in on the fact that, no, they gave zero fucks about accuracy

>>78514230

Magically forcing someone to enjoy you raping them doesn't make it okay, Anon. It arguably makes it much worse.

>>78508377
because Hercules sounds cool but the Roman gods names are fucking lame.

I find it so crazy people get so upset over how adaptations reinterpret myths, while most of the sources we have are already mutually contradictory adaptations of prior traditions. They're stories, they change. No big deal.

>>78528695
It's difficult, I agree that we shouldn't treat kids like little babies but at the same time there is some shit not appropriate for kids. Plus letting them have free reign of adult shit destroys the fun of being a kid watching shit he's not supposed to.

>>78509126
>wanting to have sex with a Romanian

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>>78508776
And how does his son feel about having to be his sister's boyfriend?

>>78528927
They're gods so the incest angle probably doesn't bother him as much as being stuck as an uggo's bf.

>>78522655
He raped a girl named Antiope in the form of a satyr, so you're half right.

>Zeus didn't turn into a swan and seduce a woman

only real travesty

>>78508154
Poseidon was actually a worse than Zeus, if to believed.
Hades on the other hand only ever had one woman. The straight edge undertaker, everyone fears, because his existence reminds them of their mortality, a true hero!

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>>78508132

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>>78517797

>>78529077
>>78529084
what

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>>78508132
>she is not 13 yrs old
>john is not a vicious worrier
disney

>>78529123
Also Governor Ratcliffe tried to deal with the Natives civilly.
Naturally he was ambushed after the Natives promised him and his men food when they were on the verge of starvation. He was bound, his face was carved off with sea shells and burned alive.

>>78529077
>>78529084
>>78529197
what

>>78508776
Could've worked as an episode of the animated series.

>Marcaria has a crush on teen Hercules
>They start dating
>Hades is stuck between antagonizing Hercules and supporting his daughter

>>78508132
You mean disney changing the source material more appealing to a younger demographic? you must really hate blizzard too

>>78529228
There was allegedly a script that didn't get animated where the rape of persephone is rewritten so Persephone is his daughter and Demeter his ex-wife and the ordeal plays out like a custody battle.

Yes! Oh, you mean to make an authentic Greek mythology piece? No. No, they weren't.

>>78508132
>Hades is a bad guy
Le hades was a good guy meme
>Hera is a loving mother
Hera was the goddess of marriage and the queen of Olympus. besides, if your partner fucked everything that moved you'd be irritable too.
>Zeus isn't a rapist
He wasn't. By todays standards, most definitely but things were different back then. If he were real and still alive today he'd be handing out consent forms.
>Hercules doesn't beat Megara to death
Give it time. she needed to have a few kids first.

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>>78528785
>Magically forcing someone to enjoy you raping them doesn't make it okay, Anon. It arguably makes it much worse.
Now that's just untrue.