So how "flawed" is Steven Universe? This youtube.

Stop shitposting. You've already made 3 retarded threads today with the same goal in mind. Go spend time with your loved ones. Its christmas. Have a good day.

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It gets pretty awful. Especially in the episode when Connie was training with Pearl and she shouted "JUST LET ME DO THIS FOR YOU ROSE". Completely cringe.

>>78416272
41 minutes? Fuck that

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>>78416412
Holy fuck was that awful

>>78416419
It doesn't really say anything that the shows detractors haven't been saying for a while. This was posted 7 months back don't know why people just took notice to it.

>>78416452
>>78416412
Why was it awful exactly?

>>78416455
>This was posted 7 months back don't know why people just took notice to it.

Because /sug/ doesn't exist on /co/ ATM, allowing SU threads I presume

The episode were Steven fused with connie was really uncomfortable

>>78416491
Ah yes "SU" threads ;^)

>>78416479
It was forced and blatantly tried to spell out the tone and intention of the scene to the viewer.

>>78416516
These threads have actually been discussing the show though. Way better than /sug/

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>>78416272

I lasted till about 1:40.

>>78416517
> forced
Nope completly in character for pearl considering her role and back story in the show which was also built up through the song.

> blatantly tried to spell out the tone and intention of the scene to the viewer
Yes.

>>78416535
Ah ok I gotcha. :^))))))))

>>78416535
Yes, I have saw the general's.....there just image dumps.

Anything with Connie is just painful, because she's the blatant creator self-insert. Yeah, Pearl might bear some of her actual quirks, but Connie's blatant wish-fulfillment.

>>78416592
So Sugar wants to be brown?

>>78416272
I'm not watching that video but I totally agree with the forced "feels" especially in anything involving Greg.

>>78416568
Why so salty /sug/?

>>78416272
Fuck off /sug/

>>78416535
I disaree. Those last two threads were the worst things I've seen all month and only proves how autistic the people on this site are.

>computer voice

Is it so hard to read a fucking script?

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Time for Simulation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7gqcGXTfBA

>>78416657
Fuck off tumblrfag.

>>78416682
Ok

>>78416625
No, Sugar wants to diddle Steven who is based on her brother.

>>78416734
Now this is the content I want to see!

>>78416272
>People still whining that a pearl is mourning over the loss of the one person who meant more to her than everything else
>Not understanding that the gems didn't really mourn Rose and rather just shut themselves off from each other
>Steven is breaking through this shit unintentionally forcing them to accept Rose is gone rather than just ignoring it
>Combined with the stress of a possible invasion from a group that want to capture you at best and kill you at worst
Come the fuck on. There is a fucking reason why these characters are crying.

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>>78416734
fuck no

this is a gumball thread

>Returning to Steven Universe, all we really know about Amethyst at first is that she's a goofball who eats a lot and doesn't like authority. That's about all we get up until 'On the Run', where suddenly we're supposed to accept that she's this flawed character with a tragic past. There's nothing in previous episodes to support that idea. We'd previously seen that she likes to butt heads with Pearl, but that isn't unexpected since their personalities clash. What 'On the Run' does is cheapen a character with the clumsiest and most abrupt delivery of her background that you could possibly manage, all for the sake of drama.
bruv's pretty spot on for the show's flaws

>>78416548
Being in character doesn't make it not forced. Its more heavy handed than all the anime that tried to ape Evangelion

>>78416272
Emotionally distraught girls cry over everything. Source: grill

It's kind of refreshing, yet a little annoying that no one tells any character to "stop feeling sorry for themselves". I hope Steven fills that role later... or some other gem/character.

>>78416799
But the shows from Stevens perspective. The gems actively try to hide their past.

>>78416775
>There is a fucking reason why these characters are crying

Gravity Falls had just as many emotional moments as Steven Universe, yet is way more natural on when characters cry.

>>78416795
Thanks for the wallpaper m8

>>78416837
Oh please that muh feels flashback in the last episode was the most ham fisted thing I've seen all year.

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>>78416846
>those nipples

>>78416861
Yet still less hamfisted than the crying in episodes like Island Adventure and On the Run

>>78416884
Well since you said it, it must be true.

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I don't think the feels are forced at all. If you're looking for things to get pissed off about, sure I guess, but I ragged on it for months about it being tumblr shit, then eventually watched with an open mind and got hooked.

Pearl a best. Saltiness and all.

>>78416900
I know. Thats why its true because I can actually look at both shows critically and call out when they're shallow as fuck

>>78416833
What does that matter? His point's the characters only show any depth in episodes like that where you are expected to feel sad at their past when they aren't made relateable in the more toned down episodes so that you'll care in the serious eps

I don't get why anyone would like this show.

>>78416592
The worst thing about Connie's character is that she's cliche, and whatever parts aren't cliche are basically boring.

>>78416934
I don't think you're expected to feel sad at pearl. Her torment is pretty entertaining if you ask me. And her loyalty to rose is referenced in a bunch of episodes. It's a big part of who she is.

>>78416944
When its not focusing on forced drama its pretty good. Too bad 80% of the show past S1 is forced drama

>>78416934
Also I said that because dice the shows from Stevens perspective, somethings are going to appear abruptly. The gems don't want him to know about this beforehand so why should the be any indication of it?

>>78416985
Nope. It was always shit. Go back to tumblr.

>>78416916
There's been like three of these threads, all shitposting. Save your sincerity, it's Christmas Eve.

I just rewatched Akira with my mom. Felt pretty good, she really enjoyed it. What've you done this evening, anons?

>>78416985
I mean I get how SOME people wouldn't find it interesting, the same way I don't like crime shows because I'm simply not interested in the subject matter. A lot of what people like about SU are the character designs, art style, etc. It's not always about the content, or originality, or Vince Gilligan levels of writing because it is a show for teenagers.

>>78416970
I always liked connie. Its amusing to have the outside view of the gem stuff from a "normal" kid. I do think her becoming a sword fighter is a bit of bullshit.

>>78417012
This. A decade of bottling up your emotions followed by trying to keep Steven from seeing it is why we dont see any of this. Even if we did see it all we would get is people like >>78416985 bitching because they cant handle character drama.

>>78417039
I had kind of a bad night. Was gonna watch Star Wars but 10 mins in I realized I don't feel like sitting through it right now and would rather play in the /sug/ ballpit I guess.

>>78417070
>cant handle character drama.

*poorly done

>>78417039
I cleaned the lobby at the McDonald's I work at during closing.
People kept trying to use the drive-thru after we closed everything down.

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>>78416976
You don't honestly think that the prissy writers expect you to feel schadenfreude at the suffering of the poor bird looking lesbian rock instead of going 'poor baby'

>>78417012
And it's not just things being brought up abruptly. That's bad enough as it is, but there's nothing to get you CARING about them. They're just weird women who are serious/neurotic/playful, who don't have any endearing traits unless it's one of their episodes about their past where you're supposed to feel sad about it.
If you're going to go oh it's from Steven's perspective again, then I'm just going to assume the gems are awful because there's no connection to the character unless the episode is directly focused upon. This is not good

>>78416272
Ehh I like SU because its like DBZ fanfiction with a lot of slice of life mixed in. I have no idea why anyone would get so fucking worked up over it.

Jesus all the venom against it's like with "that show that must not be named" but I don't see a whole lot of SU images everywhere like with that show.

>>78417070
>I do think her becoming a sword fighter is a bit of bullshit.

It's literally the coolest thing about her so far. And it kind of is hamfisted bullshit, not in defense of the shitposting.

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>>78417160
Are you talking about My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic? Because the hate for that show is dumb, too.

>>78417012
The problem comes with the fact that Steven wants to know about the gems, yet never actually asks them about anything. Logically, he would want to sit down with them an ask him about their past and his mom yet that never happens

>>78417183
Sorry you disagree.

>>78417150
I feel bad for Pearl, *because* she is embarrassing. Going rogue goes against her design and she can't adjust well at all. She is the autist of the show, not a woobie.

>>78417175
Like I said I prefer her being the "sane" view of everything that goes on.
>>78417184
A bunch of autistic faggots spammed 4chan with the images day and night which took it from a board wide hatred to a site wide hatred. Then the autism rainbow latched onto the show and its all history from there.

>>78417184
I think most people are just sick of the hype because it's psyops levels of stupid. Hating the show on it's own would be like hating Sesame Street or something on that level.

>>78417213
Would you feel that without her episodes?
If you removed the exposition episodes about their poor sad pasts and you only had LIGHT episodes to go on, would you feel ANYTHING for the Gems? Interest does not count, from their appearance in the light episodes where it's just a silly conflict, is there anything about their portrayal that makes them interesting?

>>78417160
Eh, I'm convinced the vast majority of SU haters have never actually seen the show. It's just the current trendy thing to shitpost about, all the kewl kidz are doing it. Genuine reasoned criticisms of the show are out there, but they have to be dug up from under a mountain of "Faggit SJW tumblr shit! Dyke space rocks!".

It's just part of the greater trend of dumbass kids posting stuff that will make them cringe with embarrassment someday. 4chan seems to exist, at least partly, for them to get it out of their systems.

>>78417287
I just think that's a needlessly overanalytical approach. If you are just explaining why it's not exactly the pinnacle of creative writing, I don't mind letting you have that. I've sat through much worse.

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this thread is broken mang

>>78417353
In their defense, at face value, it does look like it was developed by mostly militant body positivity lesbians. Who knows, maybe it was. But anyone who actually gives the show a chance, a real chance, is doing more than most shitposters.

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>>78417287
Without her pic related episodes I would see her as a caring mother figure with OCD who really tries her best with Steven and would care about her.

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>>78417380
>overanalytical
Right.
You and me are 'buddies', but when we hang out, I'm just a stick in the mud who doesn't really do anything. We don't really have good times together. So, ff I go to with you about my problems and tell you about my problems with cruel women or whatever, you probably shouldn't care because I haven't really endeared myself to you

>>78417287
i like those episodes though. The best thing about them is that they carry on to other episodes and effect the story and plot.

>>78417455
Hey, I dunno who you think you are in the first place, guy.

It only appears flawed if you can't pick up on subtle storytelling elements.

>>78417502
I think he is some sort of worthless tripfag pal

>>78417511
>subtle storytelling elements.

weak b8

>>78417517
Looks swims and quacks like one.

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>>78417502
Apply it to the mineral muff munchers dingus

>>78416272
>text to speech
le we r legon we du not forbive we du nut forgit

>>78417455
What so pearl just stands there doing nothing whenever she's not sad then?

>>78417566
>all girls are lesbians when you point a gun at them

>>78417527

It ain't bait. After reading the most lucid critique it's clear the people who dislike it just can't pick up on subtle character development, so when the dramatic moments arrive they appear sudden to them, even though they've been heavily foreshadowed.

>>78417617
Basically. She doesn't say or do anything really interesting, does she? Pearl is around in episodes that don't focus on serious business, but there's no shenanigans surrounding her actions and speech that is not meant to invoke drama

>>78417662
>subtle character development,

Aside from Steven, who?

>>78417663
Pearl is the most frequent character in the show, sans Steven.

>>78417663
Are you kidding me? Do you know how many memes have been born from pearls strange behavior and antics?

>>78417682
Because pearl is the white gem silencing the GOC :^)

>>78417680
I know garnet becomes more open and caring as the show goes one. More talkative and willing to let others take risks and action where she would have shut them down before. She is also far more likely to take advice now than she did at the beginning of the series.

>>78417663
Dont you know anything about birdmom?

>>78417682
And what does she do that is endearing to you as the audience when she is frequently around and not the focus? You know all the episodes where Steven is messing around with the humans, there's nothing equivalent for the gems to show them off without any exposition about their pasts

>>78417725
>I know garnet becomes more open and caring as the show goes one. More talkative and willing to let others take risks and action where she would have shut them down before

Didn't that like, happen exactly after her reveal in Jailbreak? If anything, it was so sudden and jarring its barely development.

>>78417680

Literally all of the main gems.

Character traits and flaws are established early on for all the major characters which foreshadow their eventual emotional episodes.

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>>78417741

>>78417741

Please watch the show before commenting on it.

>>78417757
If you watch from the beginning she opens up fairly early on but future vision, jail break, and keystone motel are the three episodes that have Steven getting closer to her and learning more about who she is. Each of these three episodes is followed by Garnet immediately opening up more due to their bond deepening.

>>78417760
>Character traits and flaws are established early on

None of those flaws really come into existence until they are actually are brought up. Until Maximum Capacity, Amethyst didn't even really show signs of self loathing. Garnet hasn't really shown any flaws except "not listening 100% of the time." After Ocean Gem Pearl's character took a complete 180 to where she went to the prim and proper know-it-all who was actually able to devise plants to an unsure wreck.

>>78417797
They watched it, they don't want to like it, they just want to shitpost.

Time to get off your high horse tripfuck. Your opinion is as worthless as the rest of em. Try again tomorrow.

>>78417827
Amethyst showed self loathing since tiger millionare.
Pearl's strange behavior was shown when she saw roses garden overrun by those thorns which also foreshadowed her connection with rose.

>>78417781
Moments like that don't really pile up. They're just that, 'moments' before Steven goes off to do whatever on his own and not a persistent thing throughout any individual episode. I've repeated this like ten times now, but there are not any episodes where a gem is around just for the sake of something fun. The closest one to that was Tiger Millionaire early on, which was a good one that had a fun premise and showed off Amethyst without making it just ten minutes of conflict about how she feels worthless and also had Pearl and Garnet goof around at the end to make her feel better.

There aren't enough eps like that in the show. It's exactly what there needs to be more of

>>78417864
>Amethyst showed self loathing

I give you this but it didn't have much to do with her actually disliking herself and more of the gems not letting her BE herself

>Pearl's strange behavior was shown when she saw roses garden overrun by those thorns which also foreshadowed her connection with rose.

But that doesn't really have anything to do with her self-loathing and random bursts of emotional behavior that happens starting with Space Race. Pearl feels like her character took a life turn during Season 1B out of nowhere.

>>78416272
Garnet's speech in future vision actually made me cry and go hug my mom.

>>78417905
There's plenty of these moments sprinkled throughout the show anon.

>>78417827

I do not have the time to go through every early episode and point out each minor character interaction that foreshadows these specific traits. In general, Amethyst showed signs of self-loathing since Tiger Millionaire, Garnet was shown to be imperfect since Arcade Mania, and Pearl was always a high-strung perfectionist who romanticized Rose Quartz and the war to an unhealthy degree.

>>78416799
Someone didn't see Tiger Millionaire(one of the early episodes that clearly established her as an outsider)

>>78417913
Since the series began pearl has always been shown as a strict, OCD character. Things just ramped up when they realized threats were ariving.

>>78417961
>Garnet was shown to be imperfect since Arcade Mania

Really? That episode made it super vague what exactly was happening to her and made it seem like it was out of her control.

>>78417974
>Since the series began pearl has always been shown as a strict, OCD character

Thats what im saying. Its that they changed her character halfway through season 1 instead of it being gradual.

>>78417150
>You don't honestly think that the prissy writers expect you to feel schadenfreude at the suffering of the poor bird looking lesbian rock instead of going 'poor baby'

Given it's derived from Sailor Moon and Utena, yes, absolutely yes. This shouldn't be surprising in the least.

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>>78417905
The characters do things like this all the fucking time anon. Jesus christ you people are so adamant on focusing on their crying you completely miss everything inbetween.

>>78418019

Like I said--they cannot grasp subtle characterization.

>>78417988

Adding things to a character is not changing a character. Pearl did not change, she was simply given more detail.

Garnet's flaw is less obvious than the other gems, but that episode establishes that she can become overly fixated on whatever challenge is in front of her and lose sight of what's important.

>>78418080
>she can become overly fixated on whatever challenge is in front of her and lose sight of what's important.

so when has this happened again?

>>78418220
Future vision, keystone motel.

Season 1 was fantastic, sure it took a while to get going but as soon as the drama hit, it hit hard.

I'm not enjoying season 2 nearly as much though. I'm not totally sure why but it might be a few different reasons. No more mystique, too many characters, heavy-handed drama, etc. I think that introducing the homeworld gems as villains and explaining so much of the lore was a mistake. My favorite parts of Steven Universe are the family elements. I like seeing the Crystal Gems struggling to raise Steven properly. In the second season they haven't been guiding him as much; it comes across like Steven is the only one who can heal and reform the homeworld gems, but the Crystal Gems don't really seem interested in helping him do that or even warning him of the danger. The show really stopped focusing on the relationship between Steven and his three moms.

>>78417961

You can also add the birthday episode as an example of their flaws and how they'll fall apart when a situation is beyond their control.

>>78417757
she was getting more open with him in several episodes before that, but Steven learning her big secret pushed that further. they understand each other much better than they use to.

Now he's one step closer to replacing Garnet as the leader by filling the rose shaped hole in the group.

>>78418220

Basically any time she hurts someone's feelings or ignores the negative consequences of her decisions.

I disagree.

>>78416272
Can someone link me to more stuff like that video?

>>78416662
Yes, when you're 14.

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>>78418285
I disagree. Their relationships are stronger than ever.

>>78416272

41 fucking minutes of some shitbrain autist's diatribes dictated by text-to-speech software? Holy shit, no thank you.

Can anyone give me the bullet points of what this retard's argument is, or is it all just a bunch of horseshit?

>>78418363
Basically characters cry alot so the show is bad. Also Steven looks ugly.

>>78418357
it's not about how strong their relationships are, it's about what is being shown in the show

I liked it better when their relationships where tumultuous and the focus of the show was learning to live together.

>>78418307
anyone have that text-to-speech homestuck review

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>>78418404
So....

>>78418390

Thank you, sir. You saved me a good 39 minutes of hell.

>>78418437
Yeah, I liked that part of Season 2 but the biggest problem is that Steven didn't really need to be there. In season 1 the issue was always "how do we be good moms for Steven?" but season 2 is mostly about how gems relate to each other.

>>78418482
But the conflict of that episode was resolved because ruby and Sapphire realized that they were affecting steven and decided to make up to appease him.

>>78417249
>>78417263
MLP hasn't been spammed in years, get over it. Still being upset about it is like having PTSD over Ruby Gloom.

>>78418575
Nigger I was only saying that is why people freaked out about it back then. I don't give a fuck about colorful horses in candyland.

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I miss you /sug/

>>78418615
1 week anon.

I mean sug is in trash I'd you really that desperate right now.

>>78416272
Roadside Attraction has more feminist bullshit in it than the entire series of Steven Universe.

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>>78418630

nah, those guys are faggots

best ones are the ones that come out for the talkback thread

some of the hiatus SU threads are so fucking bizarre

I just wanna nerd out about the show, not do weird and faggy crossovers with shows I have no interest in

>>78416985
define forced drama? because, it seems to me, that all drama is constructed. none of it flows organically, because it is a scripted show, not a reality show. every show is written to evoke emotions from its audience. Even the news is often designed to make you feel something. if it feels fake that's because it's not delivered smoothly. I don't get why you would call it "forced", though

>>78417150
yes, you absolutely are. I have watched maybe half of the show, and I can tell you aren't supposed to completely sympathize with any of the characters. They try, and fail, and make mistakes, and that's fine. but, sometimes, they just go and fuck things up. Pearl driving Connie to be a mindless meat shield for Steven was wrong, and she knew it. She deluded herself into thinking she was doing the right thing because admitting that it was wrong would be admitting she had wasted her life being a dog for Rose, rather than a friend. People do that: they lie to themselves, and then lie to others to keep from admitting to the lie. its wrong. people are wrong, and Pearl was wrong. you can feel sorry for her, because that is sad stuff, but she was still fucking wrong!

>>78418761
Come on anon, nerdy indian girls are a dime a dozen. At least if she dedicates her life to Steven it will give her life some meaning.

>>78416272
>le text to speech XD

Fuck off OP, no one likes your shitty video.
Come back once you afford a microphone you spic.

Stevonie episode makes me uncomfortable. With a ton of teenagers and young adults hitting on two little kids who have been infused together, that just makes me feel uncomfortable.

>>78418896
Most kids Steven and Connie's age are masturbating and googling porn.

>>78418861
>tfw no nerdy indian gf

>>78416272
Can we please stop with these threads, they're becoming more annoying than actual SU threads.

>>78416272
Well Rebeca Sugar is a pedophile so

This is what happens when decades of mediocre animated programming have forced people into continually lowering their standards.
They begin to defend it.

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fuck you guys for making a shit thread

I'm outta here

>>78416272
Even though they're the proof of evil in the world, if you're going to do a review video, do not have Microsoft Sam voice it.

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>>78418959
It's a Steven Universe hate thread, of course it's gonna be shit.

I can't wait for /sug/ to be back to make them shit themselves in autistic rage.

>>78418950
ATLA was one of the greatest cartoons of all time and it ended less than a decade ago. So I don't know where you're getting the idea we've had decades of mediocre cartoons.

This thread proves that /co/ is incapable of appreciating anime.

>>78416861
>implying
I was on the verge of tears.

>>78417160
People like you are a big reason why people hate this show. There is absolutely nothing at all similar to dbz and Steven universe.

>>78419131
Do you really think that matters? If so please go ask /a/ what they think of Steven universe

>199 views
>hey guys check out this video that is totally not mine :^)

>>78418988
Whay do thay get so mad

>>78419399
Because of the body positive character designs and uncomfortably heavy lesbian undertones. And "muh AT" people still pissed off that AT got so fucked up because of the same demographic that post SU shit on tumblr.

Honestly I don't think any of this would have happened if Sugar didn't want to make the show as gay as possible and just added like, one male gem.

>>78417781
pic actually brought a smile to my face outside the context of the convo

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>>78419367
Yep, that about sums it all up.

>>78416412
You know, SU is first and foremost a show for little kids.

I'm 35 and I love it, but it IS written for kids.

Also I don't get how you can cringe at how an alien light body being expresses themselves. You're projecting a human ego onto pearl and then injecting yourself and feeling the cringe.... don't do that.

>>78419282
>Alien shows up (steven releases her from the mirror) and tells steven that he is actually an alien
>Finds out that more aliens might be coming
>Two aliens arrive. One small one and one big one
>They manage to barely beat them

hmmm sounds familiar to me

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY

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>>78418950
this

i've never watched steven universe, but i used to like the "stronger than you" fight

the first time i watched it it looked really cool
maybe it was because of the song or sound effects

but after watching gravity falls and getting used to better animation now i realize that the fight looks kinda shitty, hell i think some of the sound effects aren't even timed right or just don't work or have any kind of impact

How much would everyone go nuts once we hear Yellow Diamond?

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>>78419493
I think the animation's just...ok. It certainly isn't terrible but it isn't excellent, either. I do like the backgrounds though.

On a related note, SU's one of those shows where the differences in animation/design rely on the storyboard artist. Which style is your favorite, /co/? Least favorite?

>>78419462
Happy Christmas, Anon.

>>78419558
The second two I guess. I know it's not Kat Morris with those tiny lemon eyes.

>>78419557
Posts at the speed of light. At the speed of light.

>>78419429
That's Steven

>>78419611
D'oh. He's half human though, and I guess nobody wants to self-insert as a jolly fat kid.

>>78416412
>>78416452
salty pearl make me kek
so i hope for more impossible love from the worst gem

>>78417160
>>78419282
>>78419457

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQJhucmYKYw

>>78419493
I watch gravity falls too and it looks fine

>>78419558
>>78419558
Can anyone update this with Zuke's stuff? I really like the way she does things

>>78416682
That again? When are we getting new ones?

>>78419627
This is fantastic

>>78419558
>Favorite
Zuke
>Least favorite
Kat Morris. He looks like a young danny devito

The animation is ok. I watch SU for the characters and the coloring. Plus I am kinda hooked on the plot even though it is slow.

>>78419718
>>78419640
Which episodes did they storyboard?

>>78417417
I definitely didn't think much of it going by the promos alone. But after a few introductory episodes it drew me in.

The drama in SU is no more forced than any other show on the planet because since it is a written work, drama must of course be introduced or ignored depending on the time the author chooses.

I do find that the show can be rather ham-fisted in its attempts to convey character depth, or at least quite cliche, but coming at the show for "forcing" drama is a tad ridiculous.

>>78419861
the show its been lacking some drama since the last bomb, and it seems that's there's not a big drama incoming.
Now, about lore, that's different and is besides the point.

>>78419445
You're also 35 and still here

>>78418615
Inhale helium

>>78416272

I was drawn in by the art and lore, but it's clearly written for an actually younger audience rather than kids show for 20-somethings

>>78418683
>none of it flows organically, because it is a scripted show

Please watch more than children cartoons

>>78416272
Okay, that was absolute garbage.
I lasted 23 seconds.
Thanks for ruining Christmas, faggot.

>>78420015
>actually trying to watch the video
no matter how good the critique might have been, there's no reason for it to last 40 minutes
Good critiques can be summarized, shortened down to 5 minutes
If someone feels the need to make a review that is more than 10 minutes long, 90% of the review is going to be whining+

>>78419429
>Because of the body positive character designs
Just kill yourself

>>78419925
You don't suddenly hit 30 and drop all your hobbies.
Besides, anonymous posting is the only way I could ever participate in an internet community long term. I'll probably post on 4chan until I die or something similar and better replaces it.

>>78420068
That's not true, long form reviews have been a source of good insight for years.

In fact, the best series of reviews on the Internet are Plinkett's hour-long Star Wars reviews.

>>78420194
There's a difference between making a series of reviews on a multi billion dollar franchise with a character making jokes and making this video about a cartoon on CN that's lasted like 2 years
It's the difference between stuff like MST3K and Mr. Enter
One is a beloved series and the other are reviews so autistic the autistic of 4chan make fun of him

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Mr. Enter is bad, I just don't think his stuff or stuff like it should be in a series of reviews that last more than 30 minutes per segment

>>78419558
Raven Molisee is easily the best, her storyboards are always really lively, she is definitely one of the best and most prolific CN board artists.

>>78416592
fucking this
she's just a mary sue and everytime she speaks I cringe. especially when she starts to use japanese words. I dropped the show when they had a whole episode about how she could pick up sword fighting with just a couple training sessions.

>>78419975
excuse me? nothing in any show happens for any other reason than because the writers wanted it to happen. hell, even "reality" shows are heavily edited to "force" certain plot elements. Animation can't even build on random little quirks of the actors and production, because every 1/20th of a second is planned out before hand. if THAT is not the definition of "forced", please tell me what is

>>78418896
congratulations! you followed where the episode writer was leading you to!

>>78420348
sword fighting isn't that hard m8
there's a difference between being able to kill things with swords and being a sword master
Connie's probably like level 3 out of 50, she's basically a yellow belt, which is still enough training to defeat anyone without training

>>78419925
>>>waaaah waaaah go away old people you're ruining my shitposting cuz you don't understand ma humors

You watch a lil kid show and complain about the emotional outbursts being too blunt and forced.

You think people should stop using 4chan at a certain age.

>>78420348
>I dropped the show when they had a whole episode about how she could pick up sword fighting with just a couple training sessions.
1.We don't the know the duration of her training due to it being a montage
2. Connie is already an athlete so its not like her body wouldn't have been use to physicaly endure
3. Considering Pearl put both her and Steven their ass in one move, I doubt we're supposed to believe she's a master swordsmen.

>>78420453
We know it is at least weeks.

>>78416272
I can't wait for this new episode bullshit to end so SU threads can be purged again. SUGfags are nearly as cancerous as Homosuck at this point.

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>>78416510
>Every time it starts to get lewd I remember little Steven is in there.
o-ok...

>>78416517
The target audience is, after all, very young though

Man that Sokka/Amethyst comparison was pretty good.

>>78416625
Well she does fuck a black guy. Maybe she's trying to suck his color off

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>>78419044

>>78416272
it's flawed alright
that's why i call it an above average show

the good parts are really good & the bad parts are cringe worthy at worst
what they really needed were episodes to build it up before just jumping straight into the sad shit

>>78419445
>You know, SU is first and foremost a show for little kids

Considering the topics, the constant innuendos and jokes the show regularly pumps out, that's not a good excuse at all. It was still terrible, regardless of who they're targeting.

>>78416272
I actually fealt the comedy was forced at the beginning, but the drama is handled well.

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>>78420375
>I don't like superman
>you're just jealous that you can't fly and shoot lazers

she's a fictional character retard, what am i to be jealous of. if you deny that she's a mary sue than you're either willfully blind or delusional.
>she's a nerdy poc that is super smart and always know what to say at the right time, not only is she smart but she is a natural fighter who can master swordmanship with minimal training. she's also the mc's love interest and is able to activate his powers through their bond.
you telling me that this shitty quality writing belong anywhere outside of deviant art OCs.

>>78420306
I know this post is old but I really don't like how Raven draws the gems. Her human episodes are ok but her Pearls just look really weird.

>>78416272
The show constantly panders to the subhuman sjw crowd. The show literally lacks substance.

>>78420448
Salty old man

>>78420383
You missed the point

>>78421793
These shitposters are getting out of hand.

>>78422766
How much do you get paid hourly? Or by post?

>>78420696
Avatar never had absolute cringe like that

>>78416272
I never watched SU but his point about the fight scenes was spot on.

Everything was accurate

Kind of wish you talked about the recent Peridot episodes since those are pretty flawed too

>>78416627
Why?

>>78420992
Regular Show gets away with anymore jokes and topics than SU.

>>78416272
Why are threads like these allowed?

>>78416272
So we can all agree that SU is a terrible show and should be banned from /co/.

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>>78424792
Shitposting.

>>78424807
Since when did being a bad show become a ban able offence? /co/ talks about why shows are bad all the time

>>78424807
Again, You guys are making me feel like a faggot for liking this show.

I don't want /sug/ to come back.

I miss the comfy early threads, when there wasn't 24/7 SU in the catalog

>>78422766
Why contain it?

>>78424792
Threads discussing shows? I have no idea, I'd wish they'd bring back /sug/ so we can have our shitposting waifu artdump thread again.

>>78416272
Man, I don't watch videos narrated by text to speech. If you can't say that shit yourself, write it down. I have no time for someone's words to be read to me.

>>78424832
Honestly, I wish there was no SU what's so ever on /co/. They should just have their own board.

>>78424849
>If you can't say that shit yourself, write it down

But it is. It's literally in his discription

>>78424832
It isn't even that bad. /co/ just fucking loves being contrarian asshats

>>78416272
How do we take down SU?

>>78424922
We don't. We just ignore it and delete all Shotpost threads about it.

>>78416799
>tiger millionaire a very early and probably the first amethyst ep hinted at this
>BUT IT WASN'T BLATANT ENOUGH
>Pearl's flaws are spelled out often
>JEEZ SUGAR EVER HEARD OF SUBTLETY

You know, SU does have problems. Sadie is a waste of animation, some of the Aesops are heavy handed but forgotten completely (I would say to keep Steven naïve but meh), and the character design ranges from GOAT to eww Jesus Christ. So many valid criticisms and you choose strawmen

>>78424899
Why are you talking as if my opinion came from word of mouth?

I've been on the threads from the beggining, and prefer the original threads. Call me a contrarian asshole if you want.

see you on /sug/ senpai

>>78418259
When did Garent "lose sight of what's important" in future vision?

>>78424976
Actually, there's nothing redeeming about SU. It's nothing but flaws.

>>78418080
>Pearl did not change, she was simply given more detail.
>she didn't change, she was just changed

Pearl is completely different than she was at the start of the show

>>78416272
In conclusion, SU is awful. So only hate threads for SU should be allowed.

>>78425093

Turning the volume up on the radio doesn't make the song that's playing different, you twat.

>>78425136
>songs are the same as characters who are supposed to represent human-ish people

Weak analogy

>>78425111
:(

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>>78424809
>video of a decently thought-out essay presented in a very mild-manner
>shitposting

You Steven Universe kids are fucking crazy

>>78425273
That gif sucks ass compared to the original.

Also the thread may have started with a reasonable OP but we all knew what it was for.

>>78425273
It's shitposting because it's the same essay that's been posted for two straight days. Why is /co/ so obsessed with hating things?

>>78425300
>it's the same essay that's been posted for two straight days

Where?

>>78416272
>textbook autism

>>78425286
To expose how sensitive /co/ is to criticism?

>>78425286
Why does it suck? Because it's what /co/ has turned to?

A bunch of fucking normies ?

>>78425461
>Criticism

The ratio of Criticism to "TUMBLR!" is about 1:10.
This thread isn't actually that bad, though. I think people are burnt out after two consecutive designated shitposting threads.

>>78425479
I know you're trying to bait someone but I meant the one where the guy's nose just turns red was better.

>>78425461
To expose of how /co/ shits on this show 24/7?

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>>78425498
Who cares? You're like the people who are salty that people like the show. If /co/ disliking a show really twists your panties, you shouldn't be here.

>>78425351
Right on /co/.

>>78425547
It dosen't. It just gets tiring seeing the same kind of shitpost.

>>78425588
[citation needed]

I think it's time to send anything Steven universe related straight to /trash/ or /mlp/.

>>78425631
Agreed.

>>78425604
Were you not here when the SU bait ththreads were posted yesterday? And how only one was deleted?

>>78425631
>>78425648
Even the mods said SU wasn't /co/ related. There's no reason for SU to be here.

>people bitching about the length of the review

I've read the document and it was pretty spot-on. The reason why it's so long is because it had a lot of valid complaints about the show, which he explained in a thorough, concise manner.

The people screaming "AUTISM" are just attention-deficient.

>>78425631
>>78425648
Please stop that.

At the very least don't queue the responses to your own post so that they show up exactly one minute apart. Be subtle.

>>78425601
but I like the guy that posts random bullshit that he claims the creators said with no citation.
You know why?

BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP RESPONDING TO HIM.

>>78425631
>>78425648
>/co/ related things shouldn't be on /co/.

>>78425684
It's weird; a 33 page essay that could have easily been posted on a blog.

>>78425654
Nigga we have an archive. If you said this has been posted over and over show some proof

>>78425711
https://desustorage.org/_/search/text/https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1lSCS6FOTF0Y432eVG-OEL_FV9M9U0VQjqBSOx6w8QCs/

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>>78425671
>mods said SU wasn't /co/ related
>Comics & Cartoons
>>>Cartoons

>>78425732
So just two times in two days on /co/? Wow that's a lot.

>>78425687
I'm not replying to my own post.

>>78425706
It would be a lot less than 33 pages if the author took out the images.

>>78425746
There's not enough for SU to be considered a cartoon.

>>78420232
There are plinkette reviews of non-beloved movies though

>>78425746
To tumblrinas and sjw's this is not a cartoon.

Therefore, it does not belong on /co/.

Adventure Time is borderline a cartoon. Just barely.

>>78424976
>SUBTLETY
In a cartoon?
Yeah, DBZ sure was subtle...

>>78426163
What about to non tumblrians and sjw.

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>>78419445
>Also I don't get how you can cringe at how an alien light body being expresses themselves. You're projecting a human ego onto pearl
Are you like...literal retard?
Those are not alients in terms of how people see them. Nobody actually treat them like aliens because nobody seen aliens in real life. For fucks sake.

Everybody except retards like you see them as female human beings.
PS:
from me:

In this cartoon everybody crying and FEELING so often, crying and feels became something not that unusual and important. Which answers the question of why some people stop feeling bad for these characters because "crying" is not special anymore.
If you see somebody crying in real life - it's unusual. You think "oh that means something really bad happened!".
In "female" cartoons like SU cries and feels being overly forced and dont matter that much.
If everybody crying and feeling in non stop, it's not that special anymore and don't really mean something extremely bad, which means you dont feel bad for those characters.
"Oh she/he is crying again. Ok."

SU seems like tumblr's desperate attempt to have their own MLP.

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>>78426407
>SU seems like tumblr's desperate attempt to have their own MLP.
for you

>>78426199
You are not the intended target audience. Therefore, you do not count.

>>78426116
I don't understand your reasoning

>>78426687
stop responding to the retard.

>>78426460
I still watch it.

>>78426163
Cartoon
Noun
a motion picture using animation techniques to photograph a sequence of drawings rather than real people or objects.

>>78426116
Not enough what?

>>78426709
I can't tell who's who at this point, it's like this for all SU related threads on /co/

>>78426752
if you want to talk about SU just wait until an actual thread gets created and don't post in one where shitposting is garanteed i.e: this one.

>>78426752
Have you tried not being stupid and stop responding to obvious trolls?

>>78417213
>implying autists can't be woobies.

>>78418615
What are those?

>>78427113
Not when they're barely likable

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It's very flawed overall.
The pacing is too slow, even for world building. And what world building? Steven is located on a beach, and that's it apparently.
Comedic timing is awful, some times characters will stand several seconds (in animation that's a lot, mind you), between actions.
Art direction is OK. To me the background art is bland, I'm not saying it's not nice-looking, but that's subjective; the artstyle is interesting, It takes some time to get accostumed to it, especially if you're used to watching more simplistic shows like RS or Spongebob. More expressive facial motions are off and limited.
Knowing Sugar's previous works, her shtick seems to be crying and forcing emotional moments where it's not necessary. It has gone stale. Emotional moments have no meaning if people cry all the time.
Music direction is pretty meh. Singing scenes only serve as fodder for Sugar's failed musical career. Glitchstep is boring. Scenes that go with music where real instruments are played are great, however.
To cut her some slack, she hasn't had that much experience boarding cartoons. Being a former storyboarder myself I know that it's very hard to board an episode, let alone an entire series, that satisfies both you and the creative director, and most importantly, the audience. Her team is fairly new as well, so mistakes are to be expected.
Steven Universe isn't as groundbreaking nor outstanding as its very obnoxious and evergrowing fanbase makes it out to be. It's actually mediocre, but that is something that simply won't be accepted. Especially considering to what kind of people Sugar is pandering to (and yes, it IS pandering), which is none other than her own kind. I guess it works like a subtle fuck you to all the people who have bullied both her and her work through her teen years.

All that being said, this type of cartoon is what we will be seeing in the future.
So you better get used to it now.

>>78418296
>any time she hurts someone's feelings

Like...?

Why do people complain about things they are not forced to participate in?

>>78427310
>here are my subjective opinions on range of aspects of the show
>btw pandering
Instead of just listening things, maybe explain them?

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Anyone have the MEGA links? Been meaning to watch this show. Thanks!

>>78427361
>just listening things

>>78427390
go to the general you dense child

>>78427348
Oh, aren't people allowed to voice their opinion?

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Steven Universe gets a lot of unwarranted praise due to its origin, America. Most American cartoons that come out don't have a serialized story or sometimes even continuity. It's hokey emotional moments, strung out plots, and music seem fresh and new because we rarely get that here. However, if this series were made in Japan where this type of show is common, more people would be willing to point out its flaws. To anime, this is nothing new or exciting. To anime, stuff like this has been done better in other places.

I'm not saying SU is popular because it's anime-lite but it does get praise JUST for being the type of show it is here.

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>>78427361
Hahaha.

>>78427405
Listing.
Posting from a Phone, so

>>78416272
literally libtard propaganda: the show

brainwashing kids one episode at a time

>>78427348
Why do people still make statements like this in the year 2015 on the Internet?

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>>78427483
Good shitpost m8! Here have a smiling Steven!

>>78427526
What's shitpost about it?

>>78427470
Maybe, but the fact that it isn't set in a high school already makes it more original then most of what comes out of modern Japanese animation

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>>78425273
better version

>>78416272
meh, i read through the google and it's pretty much the same consensus /co/ and /sug/ has had for a while. I've been in the talkback threads for almost every episode and there's always a mixed reaction. I generally agree with the complaints that it's difficult for 11-minute episodes to convey the drama effectively.

>>78427539
That the show is "brainwashing" kids.

>>78427539
>b8te statement
That's literally all you did

>>78427541
Most of the anime coming out this season isn't even in highschool though

>>78427595
I'm not that anon, though.
Honestly curious as to what kind of viewpoints are considered shitpost.

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The crying in Steven Universe, at least, is supposed to be like crying in One Piece, which is almost always big ugly crying. I know Rebecca Sugar loves One Piece, if her old fan art is anything to go by.

I'm actually 99.9% sure that Full Disclosure was a riff on Enies Lobby, except it doesn't have nearly as much of an impact because Full Disclosure was a single 11 minute episode, while Robin's reaction was the pay off to like 30+ chapters of build-up.

>>78427683
both are crap

>>78427703
This

>>78416272
Watch it yourself and formulate your own opinion. There are objective flaws with the show like any other, but whether it prevents you from enjoying it or not depends on your set of values and what you want to see in a show. You can't and shouldn't rely just on some YouTube video or a thread on 4chan to answer this for you.
Also we literally just had this thread yesterday.

MY FAVOURITE GEM IS THE BEST GEM!

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>>78416272
>sudden and poorly handled character development
>always crying making it lose impact when it really should
>one of the most tense moments of the show accompanied by a musical number
>rubbery and weightless fights abusing smears with no impact on blows
>really bad examples of off-model
yeah, that about sums up my feelings for this show. I can understand steven and connie, but the gems are supposed to be battle-hardened warriors that have seen some shit, yet act like dumb teenagers. Crying should be poignant.

>>78427807
Why are there all these red smears on this pic?

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>>78416272
>500 views
>41 minutes

This is your video isn't it, OP?

>>78427807
>expecting quality from a talentless hack

what are you doing

>>78427875
you mean the patterns in the clothing?

>>78427572
he's not wrong you know...

>>78427938
Is that what they're supposed to be?
They look like they were awkwardly edited in.

>>78425273
Stop promoting your own content on /co/

>>78427966
they are Sorcerers, shit glows.

>>78427807
Fair enough points, I feel that other aspects of the show outweigh these negatives though.

>>78427941
Yes he is.
Or are you one of those retards who also believe that playing violent video games somehow makes kids more violent?

>>78427433

Every time I look recently I can't find them. Like, literally only SU general threads, everyone else I can find. Are they still doing them or do I just have really bad timing?

>>78428026
false equivalency

>>78428032
>Are they still doing them or do I just have really bad timing?

None.
You're just stupid.
There's a constang general on /trash/

>>78428032
They are banned from /co/ when the show isn't airing. Although there is a 24/7 general on /trash/, but there is significant off topic posting on it.

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>>78428067
>video games can't make people more violent
>but TV can totally brainwash people guise

>>78428026
im not even backing up the "brainwashing" but are you going to deny that children are not impressionable enough to be molded by the things they are exposed to?

>>78427929
Rebecca Sugar must die.

>>78428091
>>78428104

How am I stupid for not knowing threads about a cartoon are banned from a cartoon board? I didn't even know /trash/ existed until now. Thanks I guess?

>>78428121
they're not

>>78428170
Blame /hsg/ and /gfg/

>>78428121
I mean, if you admit that something meant for entertainment can influence the way people think or act in significant ways, then you're saying that Jodie Foster's performance in Taxi Driver is responsible for the 1981 assassination attempt of Ronald Reagan.

>>78428329
then you don't know children very well. you may think little of children, but they pick up on a surprising amount of thing. they are not dumb, they are receptive.

>>78428390
they pick up on a lot of things
they just as easily forget them for other things

>>78428115
false equialence again
ad hominems because you take everything personal and reason like a child

>>78428433
that doesn't mean the impression it left will not last

>>78428497
>false equialence
Please explain how it's false equivalence.

>>78428516
yet it doesn't guarantee that that impression will have a huge significance in the long run

>>78428516
So?
That isn't the same as brainwashing, retard.
If that is all something has to do to be considered brainwashing, then life is just one long brainwashing.

>>78428170
Well alright
Sorry for calling you stupid, that was rude of me
But you must know by now how to check in the archives

>>78428568
you just said it
it is not a guarantee, but it's a probability
it depends on each child's mind and what specific situation in their life they are on

>>78427807
>I can understand steven and connie, but the gems are supposed to be battle-hardened warriors that have seen some shit
Kenshiro cried and he was through some serious shit.

>>78428645
and because each child's mind is different, and the amount of things they will encounter in their lives, each one of them will form their own unique cocktail of a mindset

>>78428686
Not as much as the CGs

>>78416272
Can we all agree that SU is horrible and be done with it?

>>78419558
Johnston > Florido > Sugar > Jo

>>78428739
sure if it lets you sleep at night, dearie

>>78416510
>>78420621
I see no problem.

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This scene was too much of a rippoff to be considered an homage.

Had to quit SU for a while after that.
SU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTCkUvb53HQ
Cowboy Bebop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn-uxaIZVXI
Both tapes are almost identical, side by side.