Princess Daphne's sexuality will be toned down in Dragon's

>>78408108
I thought the crowdfunding attempt tanked

>>78408138
Yeah, fair enough. There's no way that shit would stand in an actual movie and not in a short arcade game.

>>78408108
Didn't the Kickstarter crash and burn?

>>78408138
>Implying women aren't just for sexual

>>78408138
I mean, come on. Look at the current year.

>>78408138
>>78408168
Hello John Oliver

>>78408166

I recall it was closed for some retooling, then opened up again.

>>78408138

Perhaps, but were you one of the donators? I assume most who did probably played the original game. Let's just say gameplay was not its primary appeal.

no one should have a problem with this

>>78408108
Sex is bad, mmmmkay

>>78408108
>she's not a "blonde airhead"
Well, okay, I guess that's to be expected.

>"sexualized" appearance in the game will be toned down

God dammit.

>>78408138
>>78408168
>>78408245
Hello Reddit!

I don't care if all they're doing is covering her midriff or dulling her pointy nips. As long as they aren't making any drastic redesigns.

Is the crowdfunding ongoing still? Can people pull their support? Can money be returend?

Because yeah, it'd be disingenuous as hell to say "I'm going to resurrect something from your childhood, give me money" and then say "Oh but it was problematic and I'm going to change it" once the check clears. That'd be a pretty clear case of bait and switch.

>>78408108
I'm out

>>78408166
The Kickstarter failed with $240k and change, so they launched a second campaign on Indiegogo with a $250k budget.

>>78408313
>Is the crowdfunding ongoing still?

Yes at Indiegogo

They reached the target of 250,000 and they will make a 1 minute demo reel

>>78408245

I think the potential issue here isn't about sexuality, but the wisdom and ethics of funding a project through hardcore nerds, then using that money to make a family friendly product. But that's an assumption on my part, which is why I asked for responses from those who actually donated.

I want to get a sense of who the donators actually are, if they've played the original, and if this feel a bit like bait and switch, even if it seems like the logical decision.

>>78408285
I wouldn't have even care really but the fact that they go out of their way to make a big thing about it is what makes me roll my eyes. It screams of trying to pander to Tumblrists.

>>78408411
>It screams of trying to pander to Tumblrists.
So they're trying to appeal to /co/?

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>>78408108
Gee what else is new.

>>78408426
Yeah unfortunately. I wann know where the fuck all these PC people came from but everytime I try to ask the mods delete the thread.

>>78408441
>but everytime I try to ask the mods delete the thread.
That's half the reason the PC police own this place.

>>78408108
The outfit would actually make sense in the final battle since she's basically being prepped to be the dark wizard's bride and what better way to show that he's an evil sleaze than to dress her up in that?

>>78408474
no one an evil man is trying to sexualize a girl she shouldnt actually be that sexualized

>>78408441
/co/ has always been really out and about with the whole "/CO/ IS WUV!! WE WELCOME EVERYONE, NOT LIKE THOSE OTHER STUPID BOARDS!". It's been a slow migration to coming here from tumblr over the course of the last 3 years to the point where the place just has this awful toxic hugbox mentality now and has this idea that we are the bestest board ever and anything bad about it is always another board, never perfect /co/. It's really gross. The welcoming nature is nice to an extent, but when you're just welcoming every single asshole that comes here, it just leads to what this place is today.....A place easily triggered by any sort of violence, or anything having to do with race or religion.

>>78408504
>Evil people wouldn't sexualize a girl!

This is what /co/mblrites actually think.

I'm sorry /co/mrades it's over. The site is lost.

>>78408539
It's a metaphor for the dangers of mass immigration. If 4chan were Europe, /co/ would be Sweden.

>Dragon's Lair comes out
>Daphne is still sexy, but has slightly less cleavage.

How terrible!
how terrible

>>78408108
i found absolutely nothing remotely 'sexy' about this grotesque fat abomination

but these people advocating the limiting of depictions of sexuality in a time when aberrant sexuality runs rampant throughout all of society? fucking NO. It is fucking get out your guns and mass slaughtering time.

Good, honestly with media like Frozen and TFA the story needs to adapt to the times.

Space Ace is still better though.

Just once I want someone to put out a statement saying, "And we will not tone down the sexualization of the females in our product. We know our audience, this is what they want."

>>78408601
Honestly we should just rape any PC men and women in the streets.

>>78408313
Seriously. That is one of the main reasons nostalgia is such a thing. We all expected entertainment would PUSH boundaries, not become more bound by them. We were let down. So we just hide in the corner with our old TV shows and remember when Batman could cause small amounts of blood to happen.

>>78408622
The problem is convincing the advertisers of that.
>No see, you want to make MONEY right? you want to sell to our audience. Yes there are people complaining, but those people are NOT our audience, see? So if you want to please them, you don't want to advertise with us. I'll let you count the numbers and see who there is more of

but of course smaller numbers so often have more power, because fascism

>>78408314

same here; it isn't Dragon's Lair without Blonde Bimbo Daphne.

>>78408622
You're looking at the wrong country.
Japan is in the middle of going "Fuck them, we just won't localize it and they can come to us"

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>>78408624
>We all expected entertainment would PUSH boundaries, not become more bound by them.
Nowadays, it's progressists who advocate prudery and racial segregration.

>>78408649

Because as we all know posters on /co/ buy their media! :^)

>>78408561
No, Sweden is the feminist hellhole. Britain and Germany are the ones willingly turning themselves into emirates.

>>78408702
It's both.

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>>78408622
>We know our audience, this is what they want
That's precisely what makes up much of SJW dogma, however.

>>78408732
I really fucking hate /co/mblr.

>>78408769

Then get out.

>>78408769
what are you going to do about it bitch

>>78408622

>whining about "pandering"
>wants actual pandering

Hypocrite.

>>78408768

Still forced to use comics from a known liar and hypocrite, I see.

>>78408578
Sounds terrible.

Come on guys. I'm hoping to hear from some actual donators. If you didn't throw money at this, you never really had a say in this.

>>78408829
Honey, I'm not white, so you cannot criticize me.

>>78408829

It's not pandering if it's what they would have done in the first place.

>>78408787
I'd rape you aggressively if I could find you. You'd learn you are just an object.

>>78408909
Technically it might be what they want since they say they feel that it shouldn't be characteristic of a female character. Though it's sad they feel that way.
>>78408900
IT's a troll

>>78408829
Ah a trendgender idiot I see.

>>78408178
I think they moved it to indiegogo.

>>78408909

Check the polls again, and see why that's idiotically self-destructive.

>>78408900

Irrelevant

>>78408935

Your desperate assumptions reek of fear.

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>>78408108
Cry me a river, faget.

>>78408986
Why are you even on a site made for psychopaths and misogynyist if you hate it so much?

>>78408622
Grant Morrison when he was interviewed about taking over Heavy Metal.

>>78409029
Because he's on /co/, which is completely separate in it's thought process from the rest of 4chan. We've never been like that, we've always been a safe space.

>>78409048
>We
>Never been like that
>safe space

Please fuck back off to Reddit. You've probably been on this site for 3 years. This place used to be entirely filled with comic discussion and sexualization. Your kind just invaded it, ignored all culture and changed it to Reddit 2.0.

>>78409048
the place was always civil
not safe

>>78409048
Nah we've just always been up our asses enough to think we aren't.
/co/ is the part of 4chan that thinks it's too good to be 4chan. Then when caught in its bullshit just says its some other part of 4chan.

>>78409000
I liked him in Jumper.

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>>78409048
>>78409079
I miss the Flavor of the Month threads.

>>78409153
I don't they were so forced after a while.

Suppose you'd kept the bronies around, /co/. Then Tumblr would be so disgusted they wouldn't go near this place.

>>78409370
we are still around

>>78408108
she was a strong independent princess in the comic made a good number of years ago. It was a good portrayal.

>>78408108
Giving money to a kickstarter entitles you to nothing aside from whatever perks they offered you. If the creator does something with the work that you disagree with, you have no right to be outraged. You're not an investor, you're a donator who must accept the risk that the project might not go the way you want it.

>>78408138
ITS THE CURRENT YEAR GOYM

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>>78408108
Giving your money to crowdfunding is for dumb idiots.

Changing things just for the sake of pandering is for dumb idiots.

Any movie that needs crowdfunding is probably going to be for dumb idiots anyways, so nothing of value was really lost.

>>78409457
both the 2003 Crossgen, and the 2008 Arcana.

>>78408108
Dropped ťbh

I DON'T CARE AS LONG AS THEY KEEP THAT LEOTARD HIGH-CUT.

THIS IS WHAT MATTERS THE MOST.

WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE SEE THAT?

sorry for capslock

>>78409474

All true, yet not what I was asking about.

There's also 22 days left in that campaign, which means nothing is set in stone yet. It would be interesting to see if some people back out because of it. It'd be just as interesting if even more people donated to it because of this.

>>78409178
You just hate sexy things.

>>78409178
>people stopped caring about my waifu

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>>78409000

>BOKUTOX.YIFY
>Downloading from worst-tier release group
>Downloading YIFY encodes of movies based on special effects

You are Indian or Australian right?

>>78409370
Using cancer to fight cancer doesn't work, anon.

>>78409711
No people kept trying to force THEIR waifus, the first few seemed organic then they just became competitions to spam whatever weird thing they were fapping to.

>>78408108
>feminism was a mistake

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>>78408578
>implying she won't look like this

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>>78410617
That's close to actual medieval noblewoman dress.

>>78409474
>Giving money to a kickstarter entitles you to nothing aside from whatever perks they offered you.

Exactly. If you assumed because it's a Dragon's Lair kickstarter you'll be getting huge nipples low cut dress wenches, then that's kind of a fair assumption based on the last movie. However if they say you're not getting it, then it's perfectly fair of you to remove your pledge, if that's what you were pledging for in the first place.

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>>78408108
So can we put an end to this type of disgusting shit in woman's entertainment?

>>78411121
Technically not censorship since it isn't even created yet. You could argue Mika and shit like that because it was obviously in a created state then altered but has this even had concrete designs?

>>78412760
Except in many of these cases they are only curtailing the product because of fear of reprisal that is basically the definition of censorship.
It's the same with comics and cartoons refusing to show the prophet Muhammad in their work because they are afraid someone may kill them, just to a less extreme degree obviously.

>>78408710
if they learn we aren't buying shit we watch ads for, they will stop supporting shit with ads. then we're all fucked. right now entertainment is basically squatting in a spare apartment in a building and hacking the records so it looks like it's paying rent
>>78408768
yes but although they have bullied most people into going along with them, they are still a tiny minority. their entire justification hinges on being an oppressed minority, and they're half right
>>78412868
This. there are more kinds of censorship than government censorship (which is illegal). there's still bowing to minority pressure, which according to democracy is wrong. Not to say majority rule is always right (or even usually right), but we sure as fuck can't let minority -ever- rule.

Do you think in a few decades people will look back on this stuff like we look back on the the hippie era? Or is it around to stay?

>>78408108
HAHAHA, glad I stayed the fuck away. I pity anyone who thought their cheesecake would remain intact.

>>78412900
I think the Syrian Civil War, and therefore the mass exodus of refugees migrating to Europe and among which are obviously plenty of secret ISIS agents, turned out to be the only thing that hamstrung the efforts of leftists worldwide to undermine Western civilization.

>>78412900
The moderate stuff will stay but the radical stuff is probably going to go.

You'll still need to treat women with respect, but those people calling themselves polymuffin queercake sprinklegenders are probably going to get made fun of, in the same way Moonbeam Rainshower hippies were made fun of once their era passed.

>>78408138
I'll be glad when 2015 is over and things can go back to normal

>>78408108
Yeah, but there's a nude scene in the storyboard.

I'll take nudity over skimpy outfits any day.

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>>78408108
>this is news

>>78408138

You smell like shit.

>>78408138
>2015
>Hot women and sex are still evil

>>78412868
Yeah but that's not censorship it's just being a pussy. They made the choice to do this before creating, not being presented censorous guidelines or altering work. I think that makes it different.

>>78408392
I tried to put money towards the failed kickstarter but never got around to donating to the indiegogo. I've never played the game but donated because I've been a fan of many of Bluth's movies and more specifically because I like Daphne's design, particularly the outfit in OP, which I was hoping would be her design in the movie, but I did know she had a slightly different look in that other game. I'm pretty disappointed to hear they'll be changing her. I'm also a straight female if that makes any difference.

>>78409505
wait I thought it went jews wanted women to be more sexualized

>>78408301
Basically this. I'm not going to give a shit if they just give her something classier than a sling bikini, but if they call her a princess and then end up giving her frumpy pants with boots and like an explorers jacket (which is usually where shit like this goes) then I will not be wasting my time with it.

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damn

>>78413751
I was pissed that time that happened to Tinkerbell.

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>>78408884
Discussions like these are the one of the biggest parts of attracting or dissuading potential donors from donating to a project like this. They're a pretty important part of the whole system and the more vocal participants in them, whether they donate or not, have an impact on whether or not the project gets funded.

>>78408108
whats the point they aren't making her a dumb slut?

>>78413881
What?

>>78408108
>she's not a "blonde airhead" as she's depicted in the game
There's not enough of her in either game to depict her as an airhead.
She's MUH DAMSEL IN DISTRESS TROPE and a serious sexpot besides. Probably the first major vidya sexpot, arguably.
Toning her down is retarded and Bluth should ignore SJWs since they are not and never were his audience.

>>78408138
how fat are you?

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>>78414022
I didn't care for this outfit and when this movie first came out, I was a little worried the franchise would be changing her outfit for good.

>>78413682

Interesting, thanks for being the only relevant response here. Male or female makes no difference.

I suppose disappointment isn't the right word for me, more perplexed. This reminds me of the edits made to Eyes Wide Shut, which were done to avoid an NC17 rating, but at the same time didn't make the movie any more appropriate for 17 year-olds. At its core, this will still be a knight rescues a damsel in distress movie, and dialing down the sexuality isn't going to change that.

>>78408108
I don´t mind her being sexy, but I could do with the new version not being dumb.

>>78409080
This isn't getting enough attention as an important distinction and generally good post.

>>78414625
I just don't want her being super god damn sassy and bitchy. That's all I want.

>>78414778
That's what sells now. Chicks apparently want sassy and bitchy female protagonists as the leads. We can't have different archetypes because the SJW will get buthurt knowing that they can't compete against a fictional character.

>>78414625
So it's okay for the knight to be dumb but not the princess?

>>78412974
hell even the guy that ended apartheid has said they need to stop letting refugees in en masse

>>78415207
It's not okay for the princess to be dumb. The princess is under a lot of pressure from feminists and soccer moms to be a role model to their little girls.

>>78413012
so utterly true. all this fucking tolerance and rights and shit and us nudists get nothing. less than nothing. kids are having sex like mad and it's being not just tolerated but government subsidized. but if anyone sees a kid naked on a recording it's somehow EXTRA illegal.
>>78413009
that's what we said last year.. and every year for the last 20

>>78415207
dumb and bitch are never that nice.

I don´t have any against, but I prefer a character I can like somehow.

>>78415231
sad thing is this is true. unlike men, women are fucking mindless sheep. and their shepherd has decided theyre all going to be frigid asshole lesbians.
I mean that's no better than stepford wives or soccer moms or ... y'know, asians.. but it's fucking wrong. why can't we teach them individuality? why cant their role model be daria or something?

>>78415268
there's lots of sweet airheads. theyre bubbly and funny and nice and they deserve to be characters at least as often as big dumb guys

>>78408108
>Daphe's "sexualized" appearance in the game will be toned down for the movie.

dropped.

This is like, if they made Master Chief not wear armour and helmet, or changed Pacman to a human, or make a Jurassic Park movie without dinosaurs.

if this ever gets made it won't resemble dragon's lair at all

Instead of toning down the women's sexuality, why can't we ramp up the men's sexuality? For equality n' shit.

>>78415231
>It's not okay for the princess to be dumb.

But she isn't... the whole plot is that the big bad dragon wants to turn him into a mindless bimbo doll.

>>78408108
I knew this was coming. In the comic book series they did in the 90's she dressed like a farmer and they had the nerve to suggest that she was smarter and better with a sword then Dirk.

This is why I had not interest in this movie; men/boys can't even have simple fantasies anymore.

>>78416647
>in the 90's she dressed like a farmer and they had the nerve to suggest that she was smarter and better with a sword then Dirk

what the fuck

>>78416896
first of all, I never found that shit sexy. odd if you do
secondly, do you seriously buy into this 'sexy stuff is harmful for kids' bullshit? Where does that even COME from?
You saw porn and gore and shit as a kid, right? you grew up fine. Why the fuck do people keep turning into their idiot parents?

>>78408108
meh. they did it before, so not a big deal now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHug7aOzK9k

>>78417056
>you grew up fine
Hes on 4chan

>>78417056
Not him, but I'd be hesitant to buy a 9 year old a comic with a risque cover purely because I wouldn't want some other adult seeing them reading it and assuming the worst before starting a shitstorm over it which just draws negative attention to the poor kid.

>>78408624
It's funny that the boundary-pushing has to do entirely with men's fap-fodder.

>>78408702
This is my main problem with the modern feminism/political correctness/sjw group
They should be producing things that fit their ideals, or supporting people that do. I may not like Gone Home or any of its ilk, but I'm never going to say they shouldn't exist. If you care about an issue and think you can make a videogame dealing with it, more power to you. You don't injure me by trying, and will maybe eventually produce something I'll like. Pushing boundries has value even if only in recognizing why boundries exist.

Instead, they are as a whole putting hundreds of times more effort into preventing the creation of things they don't agree with. That's not pushing boundries, its shackling creativity to a single viewpoint. I can't say anything specifically about Dragon's Lair. I haven't played the game and I didn't back it, but if you're changing Daphne because you "can't" put a character like that in a movie anymore, I have an issue.

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>>78408108
>Movies based off of video games

>>78408702
They were doing that back in the early 20th century too. They just used to be honest about what they thought of black people.

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>>78408108
So we just won't be able to see her nipples poking out? I'm fine with that.

As for her character, she barely had one in the games so they kind of have to expand on it.

>>78409048
>We

Kill your fucking self

>>78409178

No, seriously. Kill yourself.

>>78408108

the game is older than most of the people browsing /co/.

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>>78408108
they're probably aiming for a certain movie rating

also this isn't the first time they covered daphne pic related is from the dragon's lair cartoon

>>78418552

That isn't really the issue. Everyone has different opinions on what level of sexuality is appropriate in cartoons, and I'm okay with that. What I find questionable here is that the indiegogo page is filled with artwork with Daphne's original design. Some of the prizes feature her in the nude. At the $5000 level, the backer gets a maquette that does in fact have her nipples sticking out.

This project is trading on nostalgia. I think most people who backed it played, respect, and expect the original. They are taking money from hardcore fans, but plan to make something for a more general audience. I don't question the logic there, but this is something they could have made clear from day one.

Glad I didn't throw my money away on this.

>>78408108
meh. I feel like this is somewhat fine.
I always assumed that her sexy outfit was something she was forced to wear. as long as she looks the same in a different outfit it shouldn't be a problem.
the original dragons lair characters didn't have a whole lot of depth to them anyway. I trust Bluth to make it work.

>>78416647
>>78416860
to be fair dirk goes out like a chump in a lot of his death scenes

>>78419008
>also this isn't the first time they covered daphne

The "they" in this case isn't Bluth. He had zero involvement in the show, and isn't part of his canon in the same way the American Tail and Land Before Time sequels aren't.

>>78409370
Probably a stupid idea, but I've always thought of the containment threads/boards were the first steps towards what /co/ has become.

This offends us, take it away. Then things just kept offending people and because the containment was a precedent things just got worse.

Bronies are still scum, though.

>>78408687
Except for Mika's butt.

>>78408291
>>reddit Reddit rEDDIt REDDIT AAAAA HA HA HA HAAAA

There he goes again, folks!

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but fuck An I a sucker for sexy animated classy ladies.

>>78408687
>>78419433

DOAX3 sounds like there's more to that story than just "SJW nonsense"

SF5 just sounds like an ESRB/PEGI/ CERO situation that got blown up to something bigger than what it really was thanks to the current political climate in the gaming industry/community

and this recent bit of news with dragon's lair falls into the SF5 category

>>78419252
it was still something that nobody really paid attention to then

and while i can't speak for anyone who backed the project i kinda figured they were going for a PG rating in the first place

as for her character. like with dirk she never really had much to begin with so it's kinda expected her & dirk to go through changes in the writing process

>>78408108
Yeah, this seems like a reasonable decision. If this is case however, it would help a lot more if they were to greatly improve upon her personality as a character then.

>>78408108
FUCKING DROPPED

>>78420351
It's funny that they decided to disclose this bit of information only after the movie was funded :^)

>>78420305
>Yeah, this seems like a reasonable decision. If this is case however, it would help a lot more if they were to greatly improve upon her personality as a character then.
> Implying she won't be a stronk female character who will be wiser, stronger and better than Dirk in every aspect and will rescue him multiple times.

>>78408108
Please, they'll be just as pissed that she has to rely on a MAN to save her cause it's 2015.

I mean, it's not like Rey or Furiosa required anyone's help to save them, they're what every woman should strive to be.

holy crap. hard to believe anyone here is old enough to know the Dragons Lair vid game.

>>78412684
I'm /fit/ enough now that this no longer even slightly impresses me. Feels good.

>>78420549
You must be 18 to browse this website.

>>78408217
>>78408291
Hi, /TV/

>>78408539
Nigga blaming tumblr, Reddit or some other board is the exact same shit.

>>78408315
I don't know why people even bother with Kickstarter when it comes to crowdfunding. IndieGoGo gives you the cash whether or not you meet your funding goal.

>>78408578
>strawmanning this hard

It's about ethics in crowdfunding, specifically bait and switching.

This thread was shit from the very start.

It should go to Hell.

>>78419252

But I loved Fievel Goes West as a kid…. and never saw the original.

SCAM OF THE CENTURY

Will she have shaved temples?
Dyed hair?
Maybe some healthy weight?

What if Dirk saved a prince instead?

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>Muslims and ugly women and beta male feminists on /co/ are overjoyed pondering how anyone could have a problem with this

>>78408561
Nah, /lit/ would be Sweden. /co/ would be Greece.

>>78418887
Let's be honest, they're doing this so they don't have to animate sparkles anymore.

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>>78422152
>waa my cartoon waifu

Grow up.

>>78408768
Not our audience, but target audience. Big difference.

Is this like the time the Skullgirls guys removed thirteen frames of pants shots from their titty fighter game and /v/ lost its shit

>>78422839
No this is similar to galaxy angel having boob windows covered

>>78422839
or what aboot how people lost their shit that they took out some shots of Cammy and Raibow Mikas asss

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>>78420658
Sure you are, Bobby. Bet you just happen to be over 6'3 too.

>>78408108
I really don't care.

>>78413751
Fucking this, especially giving them boots. They should be wearing pretty princess flats or heels with their dresses

>>78422918
Or they changed Powergirl's costume to cover up the cleavage in New52

>>78422839
It's bait and switch selfcensoring to appeal to a vocal minority.

Not only is it scummy behaviour, it's also a slippery slope.

>>78422870
Or Lego removing boobs and cleavage from all the current and upcoming female minifigures.

>>78423061
That didn't stick, thank god.

On the other hand, putting boning in her classic uniform so it could support her breasts is pretty cool.

>>78423264
Wait, they had cleavage in the first place? All legos are blocky, none are curvy.

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You saw the bitching that went on over Quiet right?

That was in a Rated M game in a series with numerous sexual moments in it from fucking Japan of all places, and people wouldn't shut up about it.

You think they'd let a character in a children's cartoon wear a low cut dress like that (even though it's practically everything she's known for)?

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>>78423402
It's amazing that a series that's all about female fanservice and Snake's ass has one scantily clad female character and the SJWs lose their shit.

It's like they never actually play video games, they just look at a few pictures, type up an angry screed, and their friends in the news media publish it without the slightest bit of fact checking.

>>78408108
>Not an airhead
That's fine
>Less sexualized
There's no reason to do this. Sexualised characters do not equal sexist characters.

>>78409153
I will say that Leggy was a wonderful thing because I'd been attracted to her since I first saw the short and never imagined she'd ever take off like she did. No furry, even, I'm just fond enough of legs to be able to overlook that for a leg-focused character.

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>>78423327
They sure had.

>>78423427
>It's like they never actually play video games,

Ding ding ding.

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>>78423549
Hell, just compare the old and the newer Slave Leia figure.

>>78423588
When did minifigs stop being yellow? It should work like the Simpsons, where real people get their skinned turned yellow.

>>78423466
>Sexualised characters do not equal sexist characters.

This is how I feel, but we must also keep in mind that the $250,000 they raised isn't going to fund a movie. It's funding a pitch. They estimate it's going to cost $70 million for a full length feature.

This never struck me as kowtowing to SJW, although I expected /co/ would take it in that direction. This is about them trading on nostalgia of the hardcore to fund a movie that would still have to rely on traditional studio funding to be made. It's already very difficult to make a 2D animated film of any kind, and nearly impossible to make one that isn't a laser-targeted family film. I feel they didn't communicate this reality well enough, and the backer bonuses sends conflicting messages about what such a movie would be like.

I was expecting a lot more images of her in this thread than there are.

>>78423402
You will be ashamed of your words and actions.

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>>78423624
The normal, unlicensed ones are still yellow.

>>78423661
The explanation for why she dresses like that is the most absurd thing Kojima has currently done, which says a lot. People deserve to be offended by that bullshit. Just have her dress slutty and don't pretend it's DEEP.

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if they remove the nipples i can live with that.
if they change her whole character i'll be mad, unleast the new design is good, which it wont.

any art released yet?

She could be a lot sexier as a fleshed out character than she is as mere eye candy, even if it costs her some visual appeal. It doesn't matter what she wears as long as you can recognize her.

>>78423810
t. Anita Sarkeesian

>>78423661
And then it turned out to be really fucking stupid.

>>78423549
>>78423588
Seriously? That "cleavage" was enough to trigger moralfags, SJWs, and fundies?

>>78424261
At least two minifigs had butt cleavage back in the 00's anon.

>>78409080
>the place was always civil
>not safe
Though I agree with the distinction, it wasn't necessarily civil either.

>>78412760
>since it isn't even created yet
Except it's older than you are. Censorship of source material is still censorship.

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>>78424261
You won't believe how easily triggered people are.
This set here actually managed to offend sandniggers.

>>78424298
Low cut jeans and baggy jeans were fashionable back then, so there was lots of butt cleavage in real life.

>>78424553
What could possibly be offensive about that? Am I missing something?

>>78424611
Apparently it looked a bit too much like a mosque or something.
The hilarious thing was that IIRC Lego agreed to take it out of production by the end of the year, nevermind that it would've been taken out, anyway since its production run was over.

>>78408392
>I think the potential issue here isn't about sexuality, but the wisdom and ethics of funding a project through hardcore nerds, then using that money to make a family friendly product.

Are you under the delusion that 250k will fund an entire fucking animated movie? The hardcore nerds are enough to make a storyreel to show to real investors and that's about it, the actual movie will cost like 50 million. How the fuck are they going to get 50 million dollars back by appealing to hardcore nerds when they can't even get 500k out of them and had to slash their goal in half?

>blonde airheads don't exist in real life and aren't an amusing archetype
I want reality revisionists to leave

>>78424757

I'm quite aware of that and already addressed it here. >>78423632

>>78420911
So what you're saying is that a minority of the liberals who traditionally dominate /co/ have actually begun cross-websiting to tumblr and thus have adopted tumblrite views while being originally native to /co/ leaving?

>>78423427
>It's amazing that a series that's all about female fanservice and Snake's ass has one scantily clad female character and the SJWs lose their shit.
meh, I think that one was less about the tittys themselves and more about Hideo lying about why there were tittys like we're dumb. it's like, she's covered in ripped-up fishnets and he's all "no see she has to breathe through her skin so it's not about sexual at all, how could you even think that". Just own the fact that you like tits and ass and you like puttin tits and ass in your game dummy, don't Aaron Diaz it.

>>78418493
Dragon's Lair hardly counts as a video game, it's literally a 20 minute animated movie with QTEs. As in the game was originally played on a fucking laserdisk player hidden inside the cabinet.

>>78424656
A mosque? You're shitting me. Sauce?

>>78424932
Nah, most of us are real liberals, which means we're anti-censorship, even when it's people claiming to be from "our side" trying to push censorship.

>>78418194
Well you don't try to get your schlick-folder banned.

>>78425086
female sexuality is good, male bad. get with the times anon.

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I'm absolutely baffled by this thread. There's a handful of low effort, one sentence bait posts on SJW doctrine that got pruned by the janitors and a hundred angry, furious rants screaming about the tumblrite invasion that's ruining /co/. Are you people seriously this thin skinned, my god.

>>78419101
>Everyone has different opinions on what level of sexuality is appropriate in cartoons, and I'm okay with that. What I find questionable here is that the indiegogo page is filled with artwork with Daphne's original design. Some of the prizes feature her in the nude. At the $5000 level, the backer gets a maquette that does in fact have her nipples sticking out.
See that's fucked up. If you're not going to have that in the final product don't put it in the ads.

>>78425206
Isn't that kind of ironic anon?

>>78425206
Eh? Most people here are saying they're happy that /co/ is mostly SJW free.

>>78411202
No.

This thread once again proves that, /pol/ was fucking right.

>>78425564
This thread proves nothing. 4chan, just like tumblr and reddit, can't prove shit cause they're awful "communities" that are incapable of intelligent discussion and blame their petty problems on everyone but themselves.

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Is /co/ really this stupid? Did you legitimately believe that a company would even consider producing a childrens' movie with a barely clothed woman with pointy nips?

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>>78426004
Why base a children's movie on a game where the central character is a barely clothed woman with pointy nips then? I was under the impression it was an "adult" movie, frankly I was under the impression it was more a labor of love/catering towards a niche that'd expect that but the whole bit with expecting it to be a hit movie sort of dashes that. Though I guess I can admire Don's optimism.
I guess most we can expect is Red Hot Riding Hood tier which I guess isn't that bad but still....

>>78426004
It's about honesty.

If they had been honest about this from the start there would be no issue. Instead they wait with the reveal untill the goal has been met and there's barely a month on the campaign.

It's almost like they're hoping the pledgers will forget to cancel their pledges.

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>no nipples
I hope it fails

>>78426112
Why base a movie on folklore that involves horrible gore and unruly violence?
>catering towards a niche that'd expect that but the whole bit with expecting it to be a hit movie sort of dashes that
I can understand thinking that but at the same time Don did say he was using the money to make a pilot for a big company. He needs the big dogs to approve of the film. He definitely can't do that with pointy nips.
>>78426124
Are you going to cancel your pledge over pointy nips?

>>78426112
>frankly I was under the impression it was more a labor of love/catering towards a niche that'd expect that

Were you expecting them to make the entire fucking movie on 250k because it's a "labor of love"? You realize that'll either pay for a single man to live in poverty for the next twenty five years as he makes a film singlehandedly, or a team of fifty to live in absolute squalor, eating potatoes and ramen and living bunched together in one room hovels for a single year of development.
They need 70 million for the full film. They're not going to make a niche animated film as a labor of love because that concept literally doesn't exist. Even the fucking zero budget arthouse-ish indie flick Heavy Metal took 9.3 million to make. And that's in 1981 cash, inflated it's more like 23 million.

It is a bit shitty that they're not more clear about their goals it in the kickstarter page. But then, The Goon plastered it all over their page over and over, in bolded giant font, that it was just a storyreel and not the full movie and people still thought 400k would buy them the full movie, so I don't know.

>>78426372
>I can understand thinking that but at the same time Don did say he was using the money to make a pilot for a big company.
Pretty much, it boils down to this. The huge problem here is not that they're making changes to appeal to a big company, it's the fact that this Kickstarter was a thing. It's exactly the opposite of how KS should be used, which is to fund smaller initiatives that would be otherwise risky or impossible to pitch.

I really hate this. It's going to become harder and harder for individuals to get their ideas into the light as long as large companies are free to use crowdfunding as an advertisement platform and a safety cushion to build their pitches. Fuck everyone involved in this project.

>>78426476
>which is to fund smaller initiatives that would be otherwise risky or impossible to pitch.
To be fair, even though Don Bluth is well known it's not as though companies are begging for his pitches anymore. He's an underdog here.

>>78426372
>Are you going to cancel your pledge over pointy nips?

No, but I am because I don't want to support someone that chooses selfcensoring in order to appeal to a vocal minority.

If they had been honest about this from the get go, I wouldn't have pledged at all.

>>78426595
Bluth deserves better fans.

>>78426524
What I mean is that larger companies should not be involved, period. There should be a specific clause in KS forbidding campaigns that are not about finished products. If your project can't be made through crowdfunding because you need too many millions, then you probably shouldn't look at crowdfunding at all.

>>78426595
It's not a vocal minority. They're not doing it to appeal to SJW's, they're doing it to appeal to america at large. Go out and ask any random person on the street, preferably a parent, if they'd take a kid to go see an animated children's film starring a woman with pointy nips poking out through her skimpy little sling bikini.

This is what's baffling me about this thread. You people are so hellbent on your mortal enemies that you're failing to see the reality of the situation at large. The problem isn't tumblr, they're not doing this for fucking tumblr, shitty tiny little niche-ass tumblr doesn't even begin to register on their radar. They're doing this so that they don't get flooded in negative press from every single corner of mainstream society and get mobbed by the majority.

I mean KS is becoming an advertisement platform. Dozens of projects are abusing it to get free money and safely gauge interest and they're going to overshadow legitimate projects by individuals who wouldn't be able to get their projects funded if not for crowdfunding.

>>78426387
Nah more akin to that Tom and Jerry stuff.
Not a real big release.
>>78426372
I feel there's a slight difference between a story with centuries of alterations, censoring, and gentrification and a product with only one iteration that you made yourself none the less.
Not to mention it's not like there aren't criticisms of movies that go off tone of the source material.
People constantly make jokes about Disney movies taking stories and even real events and making cuddly Disney movies out of it and then there's shit like Man of Steel.

>>78422839
>>78422918
Well, /V/ has always been problematic, they started GamerGoober after all
This is why /Co/ still is the best board on 4Chan, we can discuss like adults and realize this is for the best

>>78426694
This isn't going to be some major motion picture release though, is it? This is something directed at a specific audience, so it seems bizarre to actually deviate from what those fans/paying backers would expect.

>>78424454
Well, relatively speaking.

>>78426694
>Go out and ask any random person on the street, preferably a parent, if they'd take a kid to go see an animated children's film starring a woman with pointy nips poking out through her skimpy little sling bikini.
Why on earth are they aiming this at children in the first place when the game wasn't? Children today don't even like traditional animation or know who the fuck Don Bluth is.

Someone as talented as Bluth can do whatever the fuck he wants.

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>>78426694
>shitty tiny little niche-ass tumblr doesn't even begin to register on their radar.
They are opening their own indoctrination camps.

But I'll agree on the fact that Western society has openly embraced radical feminism and Cultural Enrichment™ like a snake swallows a rat whole. SJWs on the Internet are just one name to this sick mentality spreading worldwide.

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>>78427004
>This isn't going to be some major motion picture release though, is it?
It is. They want 70 million for the whole picture, they're only creating a story reel with the kickstarter cash, which they can then go around and sell to the big studios to get picked up. Basically what you're paying for is the chance to see a Dragon's Lair movie get made, not the actual movie itself.

They're doing it because animated films cost major money. Off the top of my head, probably the cheapest animated film I can think of is Fritz the Cat, which had choppy as hell shit animation and zero plot structure and is practically the definition of indiehouse 'fuck the studios and make it for the niche'. And that still cost 5 million dollars, inflated.

>>78427029
Parents need cartoons to babysit and educate their kids while they hit the club like the good 30-year-old teenagers they are.

>>78427107
Actually western society is prudish mostly because of lingering puritanical conservatism buried deep, deep in the roots of america. The average parent doesn't give a fuck about cultural enrichment or radical feminism.

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>>78427143
People believe that men sitting with their legs spread out means they're posed to rape the first women they see, and the term People of Color has returned with a vengeance.

And western society is more than just America, you know.

In all honesty, $250,000 for a minute-long pitch is too high, and the entire idea of making it a theatrical release is both unrealistic and behind the times. If he could raise $300,000 from crowdsourcing, match that with another $700,000 from investors, outsource the bulk of the animation to Japan, he'd have himself a nice 22~44 minute direct to video special that he can peddle through Netflix, Amazon, iTunes, and the like. Maybe even a debut on Adult Swim. I can easily see it netting 500%~1000% returns.

>>78408539
Which is dumb, because "/co/ is love" is supposed to include loving tits and ultraviolence too.

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>>78427265
>outsource the bulk of the animation to Japan,
But it's Don Bluth. Who the fuck would buy a Don Bluth anime?

The whole fucking point is to make a movie on par with the original Dragon's Lair animation, nobody wants him to remake Dragon's Lair as a 12 FPS, static anime series with painted backgrounds and barely animated main characters.

>>78427415
>But it's Don Bluth. Who the fuck would buy a Don Bluth anime?

Based on the performance of his last few movies, few people want Don Bluth period. Believe me, it brings me no joy to say that.

If you guys want to talk about censorship as a matter of pragmatism, then outsourcing is also pragmatic.

>>78427415

I should also note, two Japan-animated sequels to An American Tail were produced, and people did in fact buy them.

>>78427308
That;s the thing the newfags don't get /co/ was "love" in the sense that you could have an /a/ thread or a /v/ thread or yes, even a /d/ thread here, and it'd remain fairly civil. They think that civil means safe space where they can be braying jackasses and get pats on the back for it.,

>>78415115
>Chicks apparently want sassy and bitchy female protagonists as the leads.

Would love to get did by a sassy, bitchy Princess Daphne thank you very much

In fact, this was why Kimberly in Space Ace was better than Daphne. Sass and bitchiness for the win.

>>78428100
This.
/co/ was the best safespace on the worst site.
I miss it.

>>78427415
Japanese animators can animate just fine when they're given a budget to work with. Or at least they used to, but the dying 2D animation talent of recent decades is a worldwide thing.

>>78428378
>dying 2D animation talent of recent decades is a worldwide thing.
I like 3D animation and I think it has great potential, but I watched Big Hero 6 recently and I noticed that the animation was very jittery. I'm sure there is a term for it, when characters take noticeable breaks between their gestures instead of every action smoothly blending into one another. Not all movies do this but it's a growing trend and I find it awful.

What if Don Bluth hired studio Trigger?

What would that be like?

What if studio Trigger made a remake of NIMH?

>>78428266
Fuck you and your inability to read.
Civil =/= Safe

>>78418436
Well said.

In general seems so many of these crowd funding campaigns have problems. It's like almost everytime I hear about it's development after it gets funded - It leads me to be glad I didn't give them any money.

>>78428696
Safe is civil by definition.
Can't have safety without civility.

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>>78428696
>taking bait this obvious

If anon really was this retarded he'd never manage to get past the captcha.

>>78430379
You can have people who are safe and uncivil.

>>78430466
>your first 1911
>one of the best eps from seinfeld.
>one of the best handguns
>one of the best calibers
I can't see how anybody would be unhappy with this result.

>>78408108

Fucking dropped.

>>78424261
You act like anyone besides SJWs actually cares.

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>>78424016

>>78428378
>Japanese animators can animate just fine when they're given a budget to work with.
Found the retard

Did you guys know there's porn on the internet for free? Like lots of it.

>>78435869
Yeah and? So sexuality isn't allowed anywhere else because porn is easy to access?

>>78435944
Not that guy, but sexuality is still very common. The cute little crushes that exist between characters in children's cartoon shows is an expression of sexuality.

>>78411121

>some censorship is good

That only applies to John K.

>>78427143
>western society is prudish mostly because of lingering puritanical conservatism buried deep, deep in the roots of america.

Lol. Most of 'western society' larfs in the face of 'murican prudery. Most of US itself laughs at the voices of their own right wing.

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>>78438540
>larfs

Hi, Lena.

>>78438540
And yet fanatical leftists also love puritanical bullshit, only they label attempts to quash anything sexual as "fighting objectification".

>>78408108
Thanks OP, I just cancelled. Only a $35 pledge, but I was considering the $150 tier.
Still, I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with.

>>78431468
>one of the best handguns
Grandpa, please. 1911 is about as efficient and useful as dinosaurs' shit and is way too high maintenance.

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>people actually okay with bait and switch tactics used on innocent people who donated money to something they wanted to help bring to life

Are the creators legally in the wrong? No. Are the donators stupid for using Kickstarter? That's a given. But justifying this stuff is pretty much saying "it's okay to censor what I have already paid for if the law doesn't object". Sure, it's legal, but ethically should we be okay with groups that radically advocate for "politically correct content" having Western creators by the balls?

>>78408108

Wait.... there's a Dragon Lair movie?

>>78408108
Doug Walker managed to fund this movie?

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>>78408108
>Any thoughts from those who donated to the crowdfunding?

Hi, I donated $50 for the campaign.
I don't know if you'll be around for this reply, but since you seem genuinely interested I'll explain what I did and why.

I can live with them making Daphne someone that isn't a blonde bimbo (god forbid we have positive characters who aren't smart in our media), but I really liked her sex-appeal and seeing it gone because it may upset such an unpleasant (and unprofitable, as he will discover) demographic was really too much.
I don't think I ever masturbated to her, I just like to look at sexy good looking women in my media, it's not a necessity but it's a plus when not overdone. Even then, it's not that much important to me, I just can't stand that they decided to take away what was a positive for me and to change a project funded entirely by nostalgia to please some random bastards. What's the point of bringing back a title from the past if you're gonna modify it to appease modern standards? That thinking gave us most of Hollywood today's movies (Maleficent, the Thing's sequel, the new Ghostbusters...), which are one worse than the other. And as someone already said, revealing this when the campaign was already funded and when they used Daphne's old design to promote it is simply dishonest.

I got refunded and sent a message to Bluth explaining my reasons. I also said I'll gladly give my money back if they decide to go back on their decision (if possible).
I know he has to appeal to a wider audience, but that's even worse: his decision won't really matter much in that regard.

>>78444448

Thanks, I'm still here and I appreciate the response, because I donated to their first campaign, and am on the fence about this second one after reading that article. I'm looking for something that may sway me one way or the other.

Right now my take is pretty similar to yours. They're basically asking for hardcore fans to fund a casual product. I don't think I want to be a part of that. If the movie comes out, great, I'd probably go see it, but I'd do so as a casual. What I was a fan of was the original.

>>78408411
2D is already a dead artform for film. If he wants to reach more than just a small section of people, he had to change some things.

They should just re-release the game. It's nothing but QTEs with the pretension of a story attatched. Video Gamers love that shit.

>>78445998
It's already available for every multimedia device.

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>>78445998
>It's nothing but QTEs with the pretension of a story attatched. Video Gamers love that shit.

>>78408392
here is the thing though: hardcore nerds are garbage, as is anyone who gets mad about animated character getting less sexualized, so it's okay to steal their money

>>78446233
Where do you think we are? But even if people are shallow, no-one here is going to lie to you about their reasons. Personally I enjoy sexy characters in my entertainment. That's it. If people are going to make their sexy characters not sexy any more in an attempt to appeal to a different demographic that's fine, but they can no longer count on my support.

This is basically the situation with a lot of /co/ related media at the moment, at least in America (Europe still gives zero fucks and that's why they produce much better and more varied comics). But they're not having anything like the success they expected because, to use two sweeping blanket demographics, they're finding the tumblr demographic even smaller, more demanding and less likely to buy things than the 4chan one.

>>78446233
I wish I was a badass like you, Chad-senpai.

>>78446602
>responding seriously to a blatant shitposter

I see you're new around here.

>>78412985
>polymuffin queercake sprinklegender
I'm stealing this. Sprinklegender is the best part.

How about they make Princess Daphne really smart and capable but give her even bigger tits and an even skimpier outfit. I'd be down with that. Everyone wins.

imagine caring about this

>>78424656
That's their fault for making their mosques look like Jabba's sex hut.

>>78408561
4chan needed the wall. 4chan needs its own Trump

>>78432808
You've never watched stuff like Little Nemo? Or hell, even played video games like Darkstalkers and Street Fighter 3?

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>>78419635
>DOAX3 sounds like there's more to that story than just "SJW nonsense"
Not really. They japs know about it. Even Shuhei Yoshida said he thought the cancellation was because of "difference in culture in depiction of women" or something to that extent. SJW "journalists" have been blasting DOA for a while for being "sexist" or "misogynist".

>>78451682
Make /co/ great again.
>>78452943
Well there could also be an issue with shit like Marie. So it's not just SJWs but they play a part.

>>78427143
That's literally retarded. Puritanical conservatism still believes in the Biblical family man who leads his family, of which neither his wife nor his children will defy him.

>>78453030
>Well there could also be an issue with shit like Marie. So it's not just SJWs but they play a part.
Considering the hard-on all of America has for Ellen Page, who has the body of a 12 year old boy, I doubt it.

On the other hand SJWs are people who said the Sorceress and Amazon from Dragon's Crown were pedophile wetdreams. If you've seen those characters you'd know how fucking insane that is.

>>78408539
What the fuck is this blind retard talking about?

>>78408621
I'm convinced that Frozen owes some of its success to the fact that everyone of us wants to fuck Elsa.

>>78423667
>are you sure you're land
>yellow minifig not black
keks abound

>>78453030
Marie is actually an amusing story.
Sweden banned the first few games because two of the charactesr, Kasumi and Ayane, were under 18 in the character select screen for the first couple of installments (this was implied rather than explicit; their ages were listed as ???). This is, of course, depsite them having racks that would make a 40 year old porn star jealous.

So then Team Ninja in their infinite wisdom decides "we're going to make the prerequisite lolicon appeal character and make her be from Sweden. Adn they won't be able to complain because we'll explicitly say she's 18 even if she looks 10!"

Having said that I don't think that's the problem with X3 because these people have been complaining before Marie Rose even existed. I think we can take this one at face value.