>we retconned the Mandalorians so that this bitch could be

>>78398247
>mandalorians nearly genocide entire cathar race
>fuck up a species so bad the only survivors are the ones turned into horrible monster steeds
>generally fuck up entire planets on a daily basis
WE WUZ HONURRABLE WARRIORS AND SHEET

>>78398442
So Klingons?

>actually liking the mandalorians
fuck off, the force doesnt need fake science its magic bitch

>>78398442
I know, that's why Disney's version is kiddie shit garbage

>>78398442
So Mandalorians are the niggers of space?

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>>78398247
>>we retconned the Mandalorians so that this bitch could be a good guy
Yeah, being terrorist Rebel Scum means you're a good guy.

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>rebels
>good guy
Fucking Terrorists.

>>78398504
They're not even that good at battle, they kept getting their shit pushed in and turned their planet into such a barren wasteland that they have to live in Bio-domes now. The old warrior faction did mount a successful coup and ousted their Pacifist leader, and then got invaded by the Republic that became the Empire, thus causing them to be under the thumb of the Emperor and his goons.

>>78398698
Right where they belonged.

Caanderous would weep at what the Mandalorians became.

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Mandalore the Ultimate will always be canon in the hearts of the true and bold

>>78398247
>retconned the Mandalorians
>so one character can be a good guy
>what is canderous

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>>78398247
>he likes Karen Traviss' try-hard garbage and masturbatory narratives
Your EU deserved it's purging, it was a long time coming. Get over it, it'd been on borrowed time since NJO and Lord Nyax.

test

>>78398889
>one away from rekking op
So fucking close

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>>78398698
Where were you when the Mando'ade fought to the last man at Botajef?

>Actually liking old EU cannon of everyone from any given race is exactly the same based on a single line or character from the movies.

Sabine is cute.

>>78398247
She's not even a mando, she just found imitation armor somewhere like Jango and Boba.

>>78398889
>Your EU deserved it's purging
But it took Kyle Katarn away from us.

>>78398916
Claiming the title of mandalore for myself. Laughing my ass off when Ordo died.

>>78399144
We'll always have the Jedi knight games, anon.

>>78399144
He doesn't know who that is. He's just on the bandwagon, like every try-hard memer who says shit like that.

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>>78399144
No victory without sacrifice.

>>78398698
>>78398442
Idiotic. Paraphrased, but there's a mando quote where one states that he regrets what they did thousands of years ago, but at least if someone shows up and does the same to the Mandalorians, at least they wont have the indignity of being innocent little victims. They don't give a shit. You can't hardly compare two different Mandos, since you might have conquest crazy bastards like Cassus Fett and Deathwatch, or Clan Skirata types that thought the idea of a Mandalorian empire is retarded and only care about taking care of them and theirs.

Before Filoni, Mandalore was a mostly rural, sparsely populated world, not that cube city bullshit. Mandalore sort of occupied by the Empire, but when things went south, Mand'alor Shysa leads a resistance and eventually even manages to boot the Empire out.

"Under the thumb of the Emperor"
They literally conned the initial garrison into believing the equivalent of a failed Asian Disneyland knockoff was a mystical symbol of great power over the Mandos and buying it for their headquarters.

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>>78399188
I'm coming for you Auchs.

>>78398247
>TCW had only good pacifist Mandos

Why you even upset, you clearly didnt saw The Clone Wars and you aren't watching Rebels.

>No more Thrawn
>No more
>No More Kyle Katarn
>No more Conor Jax
>No more IG-88's
>No more Toilet Paper Head
>No more Dash Rendar
>No more 4-LOM and Zuckuss
>No more rakghouls
>No more Tag and Bink
>No more Skippy the Jedi Droid who an heroed to save the universe
>No more Jolee Bindo and HK-47
>No more Carth
>Just kidding I fucking hate Carth
>No more Tusken Raider lore
>No more Nas Ghent
I want my old EU back

>>78400480
ig-88 was in ESB

so one is still canon at least

>>78400522
>ig-88 was in ESB
Yeah, but there might not be four of them, and they might not slaughter everyone of their creators and might not infiltrate the empire, and they might not download a copy of IG-88 into the Death Star II, and he might not close the doors on Emperor Palpatine on his face to mock the meatbag

>>78398247
>Mandalorians
You mean that deviantart tier idea that there should be an entire culture of Boba Fetts that only fat nerds cared about?

>>78398535
That's midi-chlorians.

>>78398884
Not a good guy.

>>78400480
Was Tag and Bink ever canon?

>>78400557
Good. Skynet stopped being cool decades ago.
>>78400480
Dengar, Zuckuss and 4-Lom are still canon, too.

>>78400616
I know you ain't hating on my space mongols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKKbxZvj0lQ
>>78400667
They skirted the line
>>78400673
>Dengar, Zuckuss and 4-Lom
Yeah, but their lore is stripped away
And Skynet may not be cool but IG-88 was cool

>>78399650
No, you're really not, Legacy didn't care about you.

I hope this thread isn't about defending Karen Traviss' terrible books.

>Mandalorians can only be bad or good

Nigger they aren't fucking Jedis or Siths. They can be on either side or in the fucking middle.

Worse, they turned a Mandalorian into a liberal.

That's just sad

>>78398636
>>78398660

Worked out for America. Oh wait no it didn't.

>>78400557
and in the history of the expanded universe how many stories were there that actually made use of this set-up? Two? Three?

I thought Mandalorians just liked fighting

>>78398442
Jedi fanboy detected

>>78400751
It's a crying shame Legacy got such a rush job ending, but at least it got one. I still don't know why Legacy got cancelled; it was their hottest Star Wars title. Either Lucasfilm meddled, or Dark Horse shot itself in the foot again - both are likely and infuriating to think of.

Too bad Lucasfilm is too far up their own ass to give us more Legacy.

>>78400622

I'm hoping that it was a joke on how people who still misunderstand what midichlorians are are retarded enough to not even know what its name is.

>tfw chairs and breasts are no longer canon
Seriously though, I'll be very upset if Kyle Katarn is not canon now

>>78402670
>Disney says he's not
>NJO dead/never existed
>He's not in the new film about stealing the Death Star plans

I don't think Disney could be much clearer Anon.

Isn't the point of Sabine that she abandoned her people?

>>78402737
She grew up in imperial occupied Mandalore. She even wanted to be a cadet. And almost graduated.

But, she got pissed and became a "we wuz kings" kind of girl

>>78400480
I'm glad it's gone.
For every good idea or story there were a thousand retarded ones that overlapped each other and didn’t make sense.
Wiping the slate clean may have been controversial to rabid fanboys but it was the right thing to do.

>>78398247

SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS.

>>78399144
He'll be back.

>>78402545
Traviss go and stay go

>>78402769
Good one Sheev

>tfw you love the Old Republic/Tales of the Jedi era mandos
>everyone assumes you're a Traviss fag
life is sufffering, I just want to do orbital drops on a machine monster and glass Stereb cities ;_;

Look, all I know is that in the new film the super weapon reaches across the galaxy to destroy all the planet's in a system, and somehow you can see this destruction from another system during the daytime. So far we have determined that not only is the EU non-canon, but so is the inverse square rule for light and the speed of light being 3.0*10^8 m/s.

>>78402895
>physics
>in Star Wars
Nigger, there's sound in space.
But yes, Death Star 3.0 was retarded as fuck and the movie would be better off without it.

>>78398247
Not all rebels want the same thing, Mandos like her join to get the Empire off of Mandalore.

>>78398247
I thought she was just Mandalorian in blood only. She was trained to be a Storm Trooper but ended up doing the thing that made her join the Rebellion.

>>78398535
You are both wrong and stupid

>>78400776
>They can be on either side or in the fucking middle.

Jango was stomping mud holes in Sith and Death Watch befor Obi wan made it cool

>>78400616
>that only fat nerds cared about?
By that logic star wars anything was a mistake

>>78402895
Abrams did that in star trek too. He's a shitty director that can't into "science" fiction

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>>78398247
OP she's just a mandalorian that hates the occupation of her planet

shes not the first but she is in good company.

>>78402995
You wouldn't be wrong.

>>78400480
You forgot

>no more wraith squadron

wraith squadron > rogue squadron

>>78403024
I know. One of my family members was trying to excuse it with "well, not everyone is educated enough know about that, and they have to let the other characters know".

I can't even begin to start on everything wrong with that statement.

>>78403055
Yub yub Commander.

>>78399098
>found imitation armor somewhere like Jango and Boba.

No Fuck off.

Jango was a manadalorian

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>>78403111
He wasn't according to this guy.

>>78403124
He didn't know vizla was part of death watch ether.

His sphere of knowledge was obviously limited.

>>78403086
>tfw the new eu turns into a massive cluster fuck in record time because of the incompetents running it

feels good desu

>>78403111
He was adopted.
Why they couldn't just make him mandalorian I don't know.

>>78403111
I wouldn't mind if Jango was a Mandalorian again actually. I just want him to be as based as he was in the EU really.
Boba is just a poser kid though, he can go fuck himself.

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>>78398884
>Canderous
>good guy

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I mean there was a lot of shit in the EU but the good that there was they should at least reference or keep. Like alien species or events that occurred long before the current films. Are they even working on any Legends material now or is it all focused on the Disney timeline?

>>78403190

Hey, he made a good Assault Tank.

>>78402864
You're not alone battle brother.

>>78403199
TOR. That's it.

>>78403178
Clan Fett of the mandalorians Colonized Concord dawn, the plant jango was born on

>>78399144
>But it took Kyle Katarn away from us.

That's a funny way of saying Dash Rendar.

Do you think that there's a saying in Star Wars galaxy about "No true Mandalorian" just like saying no true Scotsman?

The planet destroyed in TFA should've been Mandalore desu

>>78403263
if there isnt that should be

>>78403263
It's literally true now.

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>>78403148
>He didn't know vizla was part of death watch ether.

To be fair, Pre Vizsla himself also said that Jango wasn't Mandalorian. But he clearly hated the guy, so I wouldn't take his word on it, even if it were true.

Apparently, Lucas and Filoni both believed Jango to not be Mandalorian, but even so, it was never officially introduced into canon that he's not.

And even if he's not, it doesn't matter, 'cause he's obviously more Mandalorian in spirit than any of them other posers. Dude got shit done. And his clones were pretty much the greatest army in the galaxy, defeating the Separatists droid armies despite their superior numbers, and making the Stormtroopers look like chumps.

If I were Vizsla I'd say Jango wasn't a Mandalorian, too. He'd make me look bad. Even Cad Bane considered him his equal. All Vizsla accomplished was getting killed by Maul, Almec's most noteworthy deed was that time he bought some bad tea.

>>78403263
I feel like that's practically canon. It should be.

>>78403024
>>78402895

I am so fucking glad I'm not alone in noticing that, it fucking does my tits in. We'd barely notice if Mars exploded never mind something two or three systems away, yet they're looking up in broad daylight watching these planets that are lightyears away going boom and do not get me fucking started on that stupid beam.
Or the fucking Death Planet's orbit and the gravitational fuckups that would inevitably happen when you just consumed the mass of a star.

Fucker has no sense of scale.
Or lighting.

>>78403315
>To be fair, Pre Vizsla himself also said that Jango wasn't Mandalorian. But he clearly hated the guy, so I wouldn't take his word on it, even if it were true.

Back when every thing was cannon, i took him saying that as him being salty about Jango and Jaster kickign the first Death Watch's ass and Jango killing Tor Vizla

>>78403336
>Fucker has no sense of scale.
You can see that in the fact that the resistance loses half a dozen X-wings and somehow that's half their fleet. They've lost so much since Endor that all you can afford is that? Despite having a Republic with dozens of worlds at minimum?

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Remember when Boba Fett's real name was Jaster Meerel and he was a Storm Trooper who killed his commanding officer forcing him to change his identity in order to avoid reprisals from the Empire?

Mandos, be they Boba or Jango or whoever, have been getting retconned since before the fucking prequels.

They are whatever the writers want them to be and will completely change in every notable way on a whim alone.

>>78403373
Also, apparently destroying their capital world was enough to wipe out the New Republic. Abrams is a hack.

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>>78403399
>Mandos, be they Boba or Jango or whoever, have been getting retconned since before the fucking prequels.

This is what Mandalorians used to look like before they were retconned into Hawaiins.

>>78403336
They;re seeing tears in hyperspace.

>>78398442
Where in rebels does it state that mandalorians are anything other than how they were depicted in clone wars?

>every mando has to be a chaotic evil "prowd waryur"

>>78403399
>Remember when Boba Fett's real name was Jaster Meerel and he was a Storm Trooper who killed his commanding officer forcing him to change his identity in order to avoid reprisals from the Empire?

Not saying "clone of a human pretending to be a Mandalorian" is a god origin, but...

Boba Fett's original origin was fucking awful. Fitting, since he's a lousy character, but still. Just awful.

>>78403420

Nowhere was it said that the New Republic was wiped out. Jesus, autists nitpick the stupidest things when they don't want to like something.

>>78403124
I didn't interpret that bit as him saying Jango was literally not mandalorian but rather that he was disowning Jango as being part of his race because he hated Jango.

>>78403373
apparently the resistance and the new republic are two entirely separate factions that are allied not one in the same.

>>78403519
Finn literally says they wiped out the Republic.

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>>78398535
>Not liking Canderous Ordo

>>78398247
gtfo Karren Traviss

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>>78399144
The cost was heavy. But I feel it was still needed. I'll miss his voice too, but it's for the best. He'll live on in legend.
>>78399365
>mfw the "he doesn't like what I like? He must just be a newfag who doesn't know what any of it is" argument
Speaking of band-wagoning try-hard memers, I grew up with academy and outcast, republic commando, battlefront 1-2, Kotor 1-2, even that god awful interfaced Obi-wan game for Xbox. Don't you fucking tell me I didn't like some stuff from the eu you patronizing little shit. But it was only a dozen or so gems among thousands of mounds of incoherent dirt and shit. For the sake of Star Wars it needed to be removed so a new, at least attempted, organized canon could be created. It's for the best. Remember the good, acknowledge the bad, and move on my friend. It's not healthy to worship the dead.

>>78403935
>gtfo Karren Traviss

>tfw you liked Mandos before Traviss and dislike her shit

>One Mandalorian woman has been seen so far
>FUCKIN DISNEY RETCONNED EVERYTHING I LOVE ABOUT MANDALOR!!!

Is it possible, op, that not all Mandalorians are the same?

>>78404112
We'll never know, since Mandalorians don't really exist anymore.

>>78398889
But this was pre-Traviss Mandalorians when they were basically more organized 40k Orks.

Well, hear me out here

The show is about Rebels, yeah? It's pretty clear given the overall tone of the show that the title refers to Rebels as in "part of the Rebellion," but also Rebels as in "these characters are young, scrappy and rebellious."

Now, since the Mandalorians are warmongering assholes, then the only way to be a rebel to that culture would be to instead be a plucky good guy.

>>78403572
Finn said they wiped out the Republic Fleet you mongloid, not the Republic as a political entity. The Republic Fleet was stationed at the capital.

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>>78404524
This, also
>TCW made it clear mandalorians were the same in the Kotor era, they just got to a point where they glassed their home planet completely and decided to maybe take a break on the whole war-mongering thing
>all the good back-story without a chance in hell of traviss' style being resurrected, and a group of traditionalist warriors brought back a lot of those good ole attitudes of war to the people
It's literally everything we could've wanted at once.
Why haven't you thanked George and Dave today for saving mandalore?

>>78404609
Not to mention that it ends with two warring factions of Death Watch. Whoever wins Mandos will go back to being warriors

>>78404560
>the entire republic fleet was in one system

>>78399144
What's so great about Kyle Katarn?

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>>78404834
>that sweet beard
>that sweet Bryar
>that sweet shoulderpad
>being able to beat 7 Dark Jedi, including a former Jedi Knight and Imperial Inquisitor with practically no training
>being able to use Dark Side powers without going full Dark Side
>"I'm no Jedi, I'm just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions"
>beating a dinosaur man
>becoming the new Emperor of the galaxy in the Dark Side ending
What's not so great?

>>78404898
>beating a dinosaur man
Man, I remember a pal of mine used to go on and on about Dessan like he was the second coming.

I was so disappointed when I finally got JK2 and kicked his ass like shooting womprats in my T-16

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>>78399144
In the words of Kyle and Morgan Katarn
>My anger is all I have now! Anger and revenge!
>Is this how she'd want to be remembered, with acts of anger and revenge?
>no...
>Then remember her as she was, and may the force be with you.

What's the worst thing Traviss has done? I always read complaints about her, but can the thread give me a few examples to cringe/rage over?

>>78399098
>"I am Clan Wren, House Vizla"

Fuck off, retard.

>>78405252
She turned the Mandalorians into this badass space-Buddhist expert Jedi killers race that could no wrong, and created a new bred of autistic fanboys that worshipped this new culture like it was a real religion. She took every opportunity she had to shit on the Jedi, sometimes this was called for but most of the times not, and it came off as petty and unprofessional. She also killed of Mara Jade for shock value and didn't even have the courtesy to inform Timothy Zahn. Fucking cunt.

>>78405418
So Boba is Clan Fett House Fett?

>>78405530
Boba is not a Mando, he's just some poser.

So have long-time Star Wars fans taken the deletion of the extended universe well?

I know that the new movie was met with huge critical acclaim, but has it gone over as well in the circles of diehard Star Wars fans who manage Wookeepedia and shit?

>>78398247
No matter what definition of Mandalorian you go by, Sabine is pretty much a pussy 4kids derivative.

She's not remotely Mandalorian, she just wears the armor.

>>78403433
>Hawaiins

They're Maoris, bruh.

>>78398582
No, they're space vikings.

>>78405547
What about Jango? Also Cassius from KOTOR.

>>78405564
I mean other than die-hard EU fans, i'm pretty sure most of em are ok with it considering A LOT of the EU is just complete shit.

>>78405252
I read all of her Republic Commando books awhile back
The first book was alright and ended with what seemed to be the Jedi girl heading off to be a badass, gun toting, frontline Jedi General. That led me to buying all the others before starting the next, boy was that a mistake.
In the second one she introduces Papa Ska-something or another and he is da best there is at what he does and what he does is make all those scummy Jedi look like shit. He is fawned over by every character and respected and loved by his rivals, I think he even had the notice of Palpatine at one point. He was hired by the Kaminoans (Kaminoites?) and begged by Jango himself to come and train the clones, who are hated and despised by the Kaminos despite being their life's work and the heart of their economy. Luckily Papa Mando is there to take care of them clone boys and even saves a super squad that is to wild for the Kaminos and adopts the lot. After meeting him the two Jedi from the books, realizing how shit the Jedi are, go full Manod, and the girl decides that her whole purpose in life is to have one of the Clone's children. The best part is when she dies fighting a Padawan who killed a Clone during Order 66.
The rest of the books are about setting up a safe haven on Mandolore for awol Clones, who wish to no longer be oppressed and learn about Muh Culture and finding a cure for accelerated aging.

Also there are only 3 million Clones in the Grand Army of the Republic, ever.

>>78405252
She stated a rather low figure for clone armies and tried to cover it up by making the clone wars a series of small battles. Luckily no one else listened.

>>78399437
explain last paragraph pls

>>78405121
Where's this from? I don't rememeber it. Looks like the Outcast but Kyle was more beardy there. Last time I played JK was 8 or 9 years ago, though.

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>>78404112
>one
There were a bunch in TCW.

>>78405585
Jango was a Mando by the old definition, but since TCW-era Mandos are trying to be all PC and shit they arbitrarily decided that Jango didn't count.

>>78402895
Star Wars has always been space fantasy. Ships fly aerodynamically, make sounds on space, etc.

The EU tried to draw more inspiration from science-fiction but ended up this really bi-polar lore full of retcons and overlapping compensations for bad writing.

Be glad it's consistently sticking to "WWII in space" as opposed to having one foot in Star Trek and the other in LOTR.

>>78405585
Jango isn't a Mando either apparently, and Cassius is not canon.

>>78405663
Modded Outcast.

>>78398889
>caring about canon
I'm sorry you feel that way, because the new universe is fucking garbage and apparently that's all you're interested in.

>>78405512
In all fairness, after the prequels, Jedi were confirmed canon scum.
>'Balance' in the force is literally wiping out the dark side
>Abducting children at a young age to indoctrinate them into the jedi order
>Maintain a heavy militarized presence on the Republic capital world a stone's throw from the senate
>Monopolize arbitration between major galactic powers
>Seize military rank and control on merit of simply being jedi as opposed to competent commanders

Order 66 was the best thing to happen to the galaxy since Carth Onasi had that tragic accident with the airlock.

>>78406039
>trying this hard to make the unambiguous good guys look bad
There is literally nothing wrong with wanting balance, especially when you're direct counterpoint is a bunch of edgelords that want nothing but endless war.
>>Abducting children at a young age to indoctrinate them into the jedi order
It's mostly consensual. Like Hogwarts.

>>78405786
>He's not a true Mandalorian!

See >>78403263 seems to sum it up best

>>78398247
Didn't Disney tell the entire EU to fuck off? nothing in this show matters.

>>78406126
This is Disney-made, senpai

>>78406088
>mostly
What do you think they'd do to families that refuse?
I mean really, no rosy glassses or anything. Do you think they'd really risk letting the child get away, learn for themselves, possibly prove a threat in the future? They'd probably mindwipe the parents and take the kid anyway.
And balance is not the total annihilation of one's opposite it is the act of finding a mutually beneficial or begrudging compromise to issues.

>>78406170
Rebels is Disney made the same way TMNT is Nick made.

>>78406088
>especially when you're direct counterpoint is a bunch of edgelords that want nothing but endless war.

With the exception of palpatine In the movie verse the sith dont really do anything evil
in fact we arent told they do anything either
its the jedi who contradict themselves and go out of their way to genocide the sith
you can say palpatine was justified since it was all self defence in a way

>>78405121
>>78404898
>>78402670
>>78399389
>>78399144
So has any anon messaged Pablo or Filoni and asked them whether or not they know about Kyle Katarn, or in fact even like him as a character?

>>78406088
>unambiguous good guys
Oh there is plenty of room for ambiguity with how the Jedi go about their business, they're the Catholic church circa 1200 AD IN SPAAAAAAAAACEEEE. Their methods and behaviour is entirely comparable to the nobility and knights of then and earlier.

>>78398247
>implying Boba Fett was ever a bad guy
drink the kool aid or don't. which ever one means "stop being a retard and educate yourself"

>>78406238
>The oppression of the Sith will never return!
The Sith are clearly evil, dumdum. SW is a family-friendly franchise, they're not supposed to be full of greys, it's good guys versus bad guys.
Jedi good vs Sith evil
Republic good vs CIS evil
Rebellion good vs Empire evil (literally called "the evil Galactic Empire" in the opening crawl)
Resistance good vs First Order evil
etc etc

>>78406329
I know that they keep beating into our head that sith are bad and jedi are good but honestly i've seen more evidence to say that the jedi are also a bunch of stupid dick bags

>>78406238
>its the jedi who contradict themselves and go out of their way to genocide the sith
The Sith destroyed themselves.

>>78406422
Which is why they found balance by the Rule of Two
>22
I kek'd a little

>>78404898
>never played these games or KOTOR growing up
>friend bought me Steam's 14 Star Wars games bundle for Christmas

Can't wait to play through the Jedi Knight games, but what's up with the numbering? I, II, expansion pack, II 2, then a sequel to II 2.

>>78406828
When a sequel is massively more popular than the original release, they adopt the franchise name to its subtitle. See:

Batman Begins -> Dark Knight -> Dark Knight Rises

First Blood -> Rambo II: First Blood Part 2 -> Rambo III

>>78398247
>retconning the most obnoxious mary sue faction in the EU

Sweet, sweet Mandaloraboo tears

>>78406828
Just remember that Academy's main value is in it's multi-player which you can still find good groups for.
Force Jump + Force Pull, remember it.

>>78398247
well, according to the original SW canon, Mandalorians have saved the universe twice, first from a the fall-out of the great hutt civil war, and second from the first infinity droid system

so uhhh, they've always been "good" when it comes to the survival of all living things

>>78403373
The Republic fleet is the premier power in the galaxy. The Resistance fleet is a separate entity and much smaller.

>>78407038
It's still retarded how small it is, I'm pretty sure even the Rebellion had a bigger fleet.

>>78407029
>first from a the fall-out of the great hutt civil war
That honestly sounds like the most boring civil war ever.

>>78406363
>honestly i've seen more evidence to say that the jedi are also a bunch of stupid dick bags
The Jedi ARE stupid dickbags.
The Sith are stupid EVIL dickbags.

Both are stupid but the Jedi suck less by virtue of not being psychotic baby-killing murderers.

>>78404112
Sabine met another one in Season 2, didn't she?

>>78407087
>by virtue of not being psychotic baby-killing murderers.
Unless you don't let them abduct your baby

>>78403399
>>78403487

Is this how character worship destroys a character?

Everyone was circlejerking to Boba so much that they come up with a billion different backstories to one-up the other and make him seem like some retarded bounty hunter Messiah

>>78407159
It is. Character worship is also how we got that "chosen one" shit in the prequels.

>>78407195
They didn't even tell us what the fucking prophecy said!

The more I watch Star Wars, the more I come to the realization that the Jedi aren't any sort of ideal, they're just big repressed elitist dicks.

The SIth are all psychotic baby-murderers, but the Jedi are supremely impractical. Shit, how pretentious do you have to be to REFUSE to use a blaster as a backup weapon?

>>78407159
I never got the worship for Boba Fett, he had really good armor design, but he never really did anything in the movies.

>>78400480
For every fun story with Zuckuss and 4-LOM trying to make a living there were 2 dumbass ones and in the end they had to explain it all as Zuckuss having schizophrenia and 4-LOM being rebuilt along the way with wiped memory. I miss their "shit let's get Zuckuss new lungs" adventures too but let's be honest, that was not the norm.

In general as cool as all of the original bounty hunters were, ultimately most of them never mattered because only Boba was allowed to be cool and the rest either faded to obcurity or was occasionally used to remind us Fett is better (especially Bossk). And most oc ones sucked, prior to CW majority of newcomers were just humans with guns with no set theme, which was already a theme covered by Dengar (the exception was iirc only that Tusken one with Jawa pit crew)

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>>78407280
Some Jedi in the old days used blasters, they just got more and more decadent as centuries passed. Just like the Sith before them, really.

>>78407309
>especially Bossk
This really pissed me off too because growing up Bossk was my favorite.

>>78407255
Wasn't it that the chosen one would bring balance to the force by completely eradicating the darkness.
Which he did when he threw sidious down the pit.

>>78407280
>>78407314
Even Yoda's shtick in Empire just sounds like an annoying old man with overzealous standards. He has good lines, but I wouldn't look at almost any of it as a good philosophy.

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>>78407314
They're magic. They don't need blasters.

Some Jedi were so powerful with the Force that they didn't even carry lightsabers.

>>78407414
Yeah, and how'd that work out for her?

>>78402895
>He thinks Star Wars is sci-fi and not sci-fantasy

What

>>78407434
She went centuries without ever using one, so pretty good.

>>78407414
You mean like Sidious? The guy who was ultimately defeated by being picked up and chucked down a pit?

The Sidious that made it a point while killing Maul and his husbando that he could've just murdered them with the force at any point but allowed them a lightsaber battle for his own amusement?

>>78407101
Thats still not baby-killing murder just mind tricks till you consent.

>>78407280
It's kind of hard to maintain respect for a weapon you can block with relative ease.

>>78407456
She still ended up getting her shit pushed in just for not using a lightsaber.

>>78406295
He wanted to kill Zuckuss multiple times and Zuckuss was the resident bounty hunter moralfag, that's pretty evil. On the other hand, he tried to kill Bossk too, and Bossk was pretty horrible too

>>78407414
I'm reading about this and this seems like a terrible character
>She's so good at the force that she can live forever
>Obi Wan even blatantly says "she was the strongest of us"
>Asajj stabs her with TWO lightsabers
>Doesn't immediately die, in fact she's going to use the force to recover!
>She uses the last of her strength anyway to save everyone, isn't that selfless of her?

>>78407347
Bossk was the most popular one for a while, his original toy is probably the most expensive bounty hunter figure up to this day. I think it only changed in the late 90s when Boba was starting to get more and more prominent in the EU.

>>78407523
I don't see the problem. Are you just being edgy?

>>78407510
It wasn't because she didn't use a lightsaber. She got hit with a bomb and backstabbed.

>>78407491
It's not like you can't still kill a Jedi easily with a blaster if a shot connects. Look at the guy Jango killed at the coliseum, that guy was a Jedi Master.

>>78407575
>It's not like you can't still kill a Jedi easily with a blaster if a shot connects.

Then lets see you do it.

>>78407309
Boba was pretty bland in the EU compared to the rest.

>Zuckuss was a religious nut with poor self esteem and a lot of moral dilemmas who genuinely tried to befriend other hunters
>4-LOM was a master thief who tagged along with Zuckuss out of pity
>Bossk was a sadist with daddy issues
>Dengar was a moralfag and ended up with a redemption arc
>IG-88 was Skynet wannabe
>Boba was a tryhard with a gun

>>78407510
Yeah because a blaster is going to help you with a bomb sure

>>78407575
You make it sound like it was because Jango had any kind of skill and not because that entire scene had a bunch of fodder Jedi

>>78407347
Yeah Bossk was great, I love when he went toe to toe with Captain Kirk. Boba Fett never coulda done that.

>>78407647
Oh quiet you, Boba was fun in those Wagner comics, he was an honorable guy who kept his word and even had a sense of humor at times.

>>78407523
>She uses the last of her strength anyway to save everyone, isn't that selfless of her?

Are you saying you wouldn't do that?

>>78407680
Jango did have skill, he wasn't like his tryhard son.

>>78407568
>Beautiful and ageless
>The best at the force, better than any of the focus characters, better than Yoda or the fucking chosen one who was explicitly said to have better force potential than anyone else
>Uses the force to "pull away Ventress' thoughts"
>When someone eventually catches her off-guard and impales her through the chest, she doesn't die from that because she just that good at the force
>But she has to use the last of her strength to help the others anyway because she's just that selfless and good anyway

You really can't understand why this is a stupid idea in the theater of Star Wars? It's up there with "Han, Leia, and Chewie all get lightsabers and fight a bunch of stormtroopers without any training"

>>78407596
I'm just saying, man. You know why blasters usually fail against the Jedi we see? Because they're protagonists and the plot doesn't demand it. In-universe blasters kill Jedi all the goddamn time. The Jedi Purge was 99% performed with blasters, I'm sure.

>>78407731
No one in the 4chins is selfless.

>>78407731
>>78407764
I'm saying that she's a bigger Mary Sue than Rey.

She's good at everything, better than anyone and even when someone eventually gets the better of her, she doesn't die- she kills herself to save someone else.

Is this your waifu? I'm sorry, I can't comprehend defending her.

>>78407808
She only showed up in one story and died, dude. Calm down.

>>78407752
>The best at the force, better than any of the focus characters, better than Yoda or the fucking chosen one who was explicitly said to have better force potential than anyone else

She wasn't the best at the Force. Where are you getting that from? Obi Wan was referring to the Jedi who were on that mission, not all Jedi everywhere forever. She was the strongest of them.

>Beautiful and ageless
So is Yoda. What's wrong with that?

>Uses the force to "pull away Ventress' thoughts"
Again, what's the problem? Force users do that shit all the time.

>When someone eventually catches her off-guard and impales her through the chest, she doesn't die from that because she just that good at the force
Again, it happens.

>But she has to use the last of her strength to help the others anyway because she's just that selfless and good anyway

Why wouldn't a pure hearted Jedi sacrifice herself for the sake of others? Have you never seen a Star Wars story before?

>>78407847
>Yoda
>beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4dyRTAfsKc

>>78400480
The Outrider is in A New Hope, so Dash Rendar might still be ok.

>>78407101
That's the first thing the Sith do in any situation. Fuck, you think a Sith would both asking parents to hand their kid over for training? Hell no, a Sith would murder the parents, murder the siblings, murder everyone on the block, probably blow up the planet with one of the dozens of superweapons floating around the galaxy that inevitably find their way into Sith hands, and rename the baby Evilus or something similar while dressing it up like a goth crazy cat lady; thus insuring that by never getting laid it will always fuel the Dark Side with its anger. It's pathetic, virginal anger.

>>78407838
You're arguing that she's not a silly character when she is, in fact, a silly character.

Can we get a storytime or this, or something? It seems like the point of this story is to paint her as this waifu character, I see -no- flaws, here.

>>78407847
>So is Yoda
No, Yoda definitely aged, even if he lived for a very long time. Fuck, he DIED of old age. Obi-Wan goes so far as to say that she probably would have lived forever.

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>>78407847
Isn't Mother Talzin ageless too? She's pretty hot.
>Height: 7' 4'' (2.23 m)
MUH DICK.

Be still, my beating amazon fetish.

>>78407895
>It seems like the point of this story is to paint her as this waifu character
Looking back, that was probably the point since I can't for the life of me remember any of the other Jedi. There was this one mysterious dude they tried to paint as a badass but he died like a chump anyway, so...

>>78407647
Too bad those characterizations didn't stick and w got loads of shit instead.

>Zuckuss just gets locked up in a mental ward to never be seen again because someone didn't stick with the usual characterization and they explained it as schizophrenia instead of retconning it
>4-LOM became a generic murderbot
>Bossk existed to job to Fett all the way up to CW
>what's a Dengar
>what's an IG-88

>>78407895
I think you're just mad that you have this perception of all Jedi being regal dicks for not carrying blasters, and a selfless Jedi that doesn't even carry a lightsaber shatters your worldview.

>>78407954
No, not really. I think most Jedi seem pretentious, but I don't hate all Jedi characters. I love how the CG cartoon portrayed Young Obi.

> Obi-Wan Kenobi commented that no one hated Master Fay, and that throughout her entire Jedi career she never felt the need to use a lightsaber in combat.[1] For many centuries, she roamed the galaxy while being guided by the Force—the physical presence of her personality, combined with her wisdom in the Force, allowed Fay the opportunity to bring peace and harmony to many war-torn planets she encountered.[2]

Fucking READ this shit, man. One story. One story, and we get this unstoppable all-lovable force of peace that ends up sacrificing herself for the greater good.

>>78407309
The entire bounty hunter concept got retarded. In ESB they're literally bounty hunters, i.e. the Empire offered a bounty for the location of the Millennium Falcon and its crew and passengers. In the EU bounty hunter pretty much means whatever the writer wants it to mean, which most of the time is assassins, mob legbreakers, and pirates.

>>78405603

Hard Contact is pretty sweet. it's basically Space Vietnam.

Traviss can write when she's not sucking off some characters.

>>78407941
They all died for the cause. That was the point of the story. The name of the volume was 'Victories and Sacrifices'. They all died to save innocent lives. That makes these guys waifus?

None of these guys appear outside this story anyway.

>>78408002
Why wouldn't bounty hunters moonlight doing other jobs? They're mostly scum and crooks, so it makes sense.

>>78405547
Shut up. Yes he is, he has there insignia on his armor.

>>78407990
And why does that bother you? A space wizard using her powers for good is a bad thing? Are you THAT edgy?

>>78408065
I can get an anchor tattoo, doesnt mean im in the navy

>>78407990
>Fucking READ this shit, man

I'm reading the story right now. I've got the actual book in hand, and she seems pretty cool to me. All the Jedi in this story do.

>>78406251
Of course they do, its pretty obvious Finn and Kanan are Kyle split into 2 characters

>>78408065
Stolen armor.

>>78408081
Naw man it's that nobody in Star Wars acts as positively infallible as she seems to. Even Yoda acts like a retard in the prequels and isn't right about everything in the OT.

>>78408115
Storytime it?

>>78405512
>She turned the Mandalorians into this badass space-Buddhist expert Jedi killers

They've been fighting jedi and sith for thousands of years, it makes sense they've gotten good at it

> that could no wrong

So false.

>created a new bred of autistic fanboys that worshipped this new culture like it was a real religion.

Better then all the jedi neckbeards that legally got jediism turned into a relegion

>She took every opportunity she had to shit on the Jedi, sometimes this was called for but most of the times not, and it came off as petty and unprofessional.

Considering she is the only one pointing out how unethical and Hypocritical it is for the jedi to go along with the whole "Armey of genetically bred humans who exist solely for war" it was always justified

> She also killed of Mara Jade for shock value

No Mara's death served a purpose and was poignant, Chewie's death was shock value

With the dumping of the EU, most of the stuff I miss is the elaborate history

>>78407895
>Can we get a storytime or this, or something?

I'll do it, but it seems like you've already made up your mind.

>>78408065
He's as much of a mando as Grievous is a jedi

>>78408127
Shut your whore mouth.

>>78408057
Because there is a word in the SW franchise for people who take on violent and often illegal jobs for money, mercenary. It's like if you ran into a guy in the army and he kept telling you that he's not a soldier, he's a warfighter.

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>mandofags

I almost forgot you fuckers existed

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>>78408197
Can't kill the third edge fucker!

>>78408145
>Better then all the jedi neckbeards that legally got jediism turned into a relegion
It's not like we needed another autistic sect though.

>>78407990
Honestly, I it was refreshing seeing that. All throughout the Clone Wars comics, we just see scores of Jedi and good guys dying for seemingly no purpose in a really brutal war. It was good to see one of those people finally make their death mean something.

>>78408257
I really wish more people would do unique takes on the Mando costume.

>>78408283
At least Mandalorians can hide there shame

>>78408257
Damn those are some sexy Mando outfits.

>>78408328
>hide
>literally walk around in personalized Mango armor
Err...

>>78408365
The helmets hide your autisim

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>>78408319
Thats Part of what makes them so cool is that you can have a bunch of unique character armors

>>78408433
The Sonic of Star Wars

>>78398247
Crawl back to hell, Traviss.

>>78398247
all Rebels characters look like bad fanfic characters

>>78408433
I meant that pretty much all Mando fan armor looks like the same design with different paint.

Also those flower decals on Anna are cute as fuck.

>>78407082
this is back when they used to rule the galaxy, and everyone was a hutt slave. Their civil war shattered the galaxy.

>>78402670
I have to say, it'd have been kind of cool if luke set up another academy that was hidden from everyone to stop outside influences corrupting students and such.

But the Jedi school probably lasted about 10 years before Kylo ruined it all, it seems kinda dumb none of the other students, or even those who graduated survived.

>>78408658
Danm and i though Lukes order in the EU was shit

>>78402920
Deathstar 3.0 was designed 100% as a setpeice, J.J probably just wanted it and didn't give a shit if it made sense or not.

>>78408690
And that's why he's a hack.

>>78408690
That's not a good thing.

>>78398247

Who is this semen demon?

>>78408799
Boba Fett's tragically deceased mother

>>78398442
Well the Pre Visla's whole Deathwatch thing in the Clone Wars was meant to restore Mandalore's status as a force to be reckoned with after all the passivist movements rendered Mandalore a neutral system. Yes the Clone Wars is canon. This implies that Mandalorians were viscous warriors at some point.

>>78408940
Vicious*. I don't think you meant they were syrupy in texture, especially not since Mandofags are all salty.

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>>78407847
>>Beautiful and ageless
>So is Yoda.

>>78408711
>>78408754
The original Death Star is the same thing. Hell, almost all Star Wars ships are built as setpieces first and have their feasibility as an afterthought, if at all.

>>78407470
Which is why you never let a Jedi buy you a drink at the cantina

>>78409407
Yeah, but at least the Death Star wasn't ripping off a previous superweapon from the same film series, not to mention people took it seriously. In TFA they blow up an entire star system, nobody gives a shit and everyone's already cracking jokes about it already when planning how to destroy it.

>>78406200
>And balance is not the total annihilation of one's opposite
Balance is the force in its natural state. The sith corrupted and twisted the force in order to try to control it instead of giving themselves up to the force. So yes, they were unbalancing the force, and removing them restores the force to its natural balance.

>>78409189
>implying Mandalorian syrup isn't the greatest syrup in the galaxy, better than Jedi syrup in every way

>>78408257
While yellow's beer belly is pretty shameful, at least he's not a full-on fat fuck

>>78409597
>jedi philosophy is biased towards the jedi's end goal

Huh, who'dve though?
Maybe it's the Jedi who've twisted teh force which is why to be a jedi requires a lot of training and discipline, while being a Sith allows for the individual to simply allow the power of the Force to manifest through their natural emotions.

>>78409407
Everything in Star Wars is a set piece first. Almost every alien in the series was only added in as background characters to make things more sci-fi and then only given lore later when Star Wars became big.

>>78409979
Nah, the Force likes Jedi. This isn't a morally relativistic world, it's a fictional one where Jedi is explicitly good and if you're evil, you're a Sith. Being one with the Force doesn't always require training and formal discipline either, most of Luke's training was really more like therapy.

>>78398247
There's not enough R34 of her.

FIX THIS.

>>78409979
That's a fair point, but it doesn't make what the Sith are doing right either.

Both the Sith and Jedi seek to change the person so they can channel the Force in the way they deem acceptable. What Star Wars really needs is an organisation that lets people use the Force while just being themselves.

>>78409979
No man, this is George's philosophy.

Anyway, for a comparison, the force is like a river. And the Jedi, they jump in, and float around on it on their backs, going where it takes them. The sith, though, build a giant dam, and then run a power plant off it which they use to power a bomb factory or some shit because that's what they are like.

So is Coruscant kill?

>>78404651
We even get "Protectors" in the very next ep of Rebels in January.

>>78404682
The NR divided the military into a few central units and the rest being local defense forces. They didn't hit those, only the ships at the capital.

>>78408799
Seconding this.

>>78410386
Not-Coruscant was destroyed by Not-Death Star/Not-Hoth

>>78409407
It doesn't have to make total technical sense, but it does have to serve the story. And in that regard, the starkiller base is absolute garbage compared to the Death Star.

>>78410073
Swtor kinda shits on this.

which is good

>>78410386
No, that was the hosnian system iirc. In order to address some of the grievances the outer systems had with the old republic that led to the separatist movement, the new republic elected to move the capital around on some regular basis, so it wouldn't always be far away from rim worlds.

>>78400480
But how do you feel about the Yuuzhan Vong?

>>78410073
Yeah it's pretty much canon straight from George himself that Balance = no Sith or Dark Side. The natural state of The Force is total light. The Dark Side is like a cancer throwing The Force out of whack.

>>78410673
You know, I actually liked how they were both radically different and terrifyingly efficient at destroying entire systems.

>>78410607
How did Starkiller Base charge its weapon the first time?

>>78411056
It used a different star.

>>78411183
How did no one not notice?

>>78410625
Not necessarily. Moral greys are great sometimes, but they're not always superior to a simple story. The original idea is that the Force is meant to be used as a force for good, and the Sith are corruptions who twist it into something dark. The Dark Side of the Force. By making Jedi and Sith just two sides of the same gray coin, it sort of cheapens the original concept and conflict, and just turns it into another regular war. Balance of the Force means being used by people who have balance within themselves, and "just be yourself" does not mean it's okay to shit lightning into people's faces for petty revenge and selfish goals.

>>78411218
Do you know how many stars there are in space?

Because there's a lot. A whole lot.

>>78399203
which are on sale at the moment on steam

>>78407647
Hopefully it seems we're moving away from those characterizations.

Although Boosk still seems to have daddy issues. He's able to form friendships with shotas for some reason.

>>78411227
The sith philosophy is not pure evil for evils sake

its about being free with your emotions, and betterment of ones self, the majority of sith take the douchbag approach but it can be done a correct way

>>78411509
Being a sith is about being a control freak. That's why they try to control the force. That's why they made up their ridiculous rule of two, in order to keep tight control over their teachings. It's why the greatest among them took control over the entire galaxy. And to do it, he started a huge war where, surprise, he was in control of both sides.

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>>78411509
Being a Sith is about giving into impulses and desires without concern for anybody else. It is not altruistic or about self-improvement, it's about taking everything you can and controlling everything you can so that nobody can get to you. It's more about insecurity, fear and greed than anything positive. For goodness' sake, the Sith in the latest movie literally is conflicted because he still feels attachment and love to people and that's incompatible with the Dark Side philosophy. Darth Vader deciding to sacrifice himself to free Luke from Palpatine is totally being free with his emotions, but it's still considered him betraying the Sith for the Jedi way.

The Jedi in the prequels were wrong to fear attachments just because it could lead to the Dark Side because they had stagnated, but Luke redeems the Force by keeping the attachments he makes to Leia, Han and the others without falling. They instead make him stronger as a Jedi and with the Force, as the space wizard knights were supposed to be. The point wasn't that Sith is really just an equally valid lifestyle that gets a bad rap.

>>78411669
>The Jedi in the prequels were wrong to fear attachments just because it could lead to the Dark Side because they had stagnated
It's not like they're wrong. Anakin fell to the Dark Side and became the most dangerous Sith of all time /because/ he had an attachment and wasn't capable of letting go.

The Dark Side and the Sith are bad. There's no two ways about it. There has never been a Sith.

>>78400480
I'd rather have two separate canons (Legends and Movie) than everything slowly being overwritten like in the TCW days.

>>78411669
>but Luke redeems the Force by keeping the attachments
yes. It's always important to remember that Yoda and Obi-wan were wrong and Luke was right. He kept his love for his father out there and it redeemed his father and turned him against the sith, which they were so damn sure was impossible.

>>78411575
>>78411669

Just like there are different paths a jedi can walks so are there different paths for the sith.

The Sith empire, Galactic empire, lost tribe of the sith, Revanites,, night sisters, and One Sith all have varying different philosophies.

>>78398565
>Calling a culture actually changing "kiddie shit"

>>78411801
keep it together, anon. Canon isn't very large at the moment.

>>78398809
>commanded the largest band of Mandos ever
>single handily pushed the Republic out of the Outer Rim
>beat the shit out of Malak
>Only ever beaten by Revan Sue
Based

>>78411801
The One Sith were punks literally disowned by every previous Sith ever.

>>78412299
Just bane cause he was salty they three out the rule of 2.

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That's not actually true, OP.

Mandalorians were retconned during the production of The Clone Wars, and they were retconned because George Lucas himself felt like making the Mandalorians a whole planet of Boba Fetts detracted from what made Boba Fett interesting and unique. If Boba Fett is a typical Mandalorian, why do we care about him and not literally any other Mandalorian?

So Jango Fett was made non-Mandalorian and the Mandalorians got a more interesting history that took a very recent pacifist turn following a war that ruined most of the surface of the planet. All the KOTOR stuff about Mandalorians was totally compatible with the new version of Mandalore; the only thing it really shat on was Karen Traviss's Mandalorian stuff.

And shitting on Karen Traviss is almost always a good idea.

By the end of The Clone Wars, the pacifist chapter of Mandalore's history ended, and the resulting chaos made them easy pickings for the Empire.

>>78411801
I'm pretty sure all of those were also evil.
Well I don't know much about the lost tribe of the sith, so I won't say about them.

>>78406251

You don't have to message them to know the answer is "yes" on all counts.

Kanan Jarrus is so Kyle it hurts, and Finn's got some similarities too.

And the fact is that if you ever ask whether Pablo knows about a Star Wars character or thing, the answer will always be "yes".

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>>78412570
>making the Mandalorians a whole planet of Boba Fetts detracted from what made Boba Fett interesting and unique

Boba being some guy in armor doesn't make him interesting and unique though.

Boba being the Embodiment of a thousand years of warrior culture, a a guy who stood out amongst the Mandolarians AND the Clones is what makes him specail.

Taking away Jango's backstory and in turn Boba's doesn't make them unique it makes them less so.

so until Boba straight up says I'm not a mandalorian in canon i refuse to acknowledge the idea that he isn't

>>78412414
And unlike the followers of the Rule of Two, who took over the galaxy and established a new Empire, the One Sith got their shit pushed in thanks to Wredd's machinations.
Now granted, we never found out what happened to Nihl's posse but they couldn't have been more than 10 people, hardly the force to be reckoned with the Sith used to be.

>>78412745
Hey the one sith took over for a while

and Kyrat even teamed up with luke and killed the shit out of an eldritch abomination.

they did better then malak's empire which was just revan's empire he ran into the ground

>>78412683
>Boba being some guy in armor doesn't make him interesting and unique though.
>Boba being the Embodiment of a thousand years of warrior culture, a a guy who stood out amongst the Mandolarians AND the Clones is what makes him specail.
That I can agree with.

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>>78398247
>rebels
>good guy
inb4 they're called the Resistance by the time of TR-8R

>>78398247
Because in real life the idea that every member of a race or culture adheres to the most basic summary of said culture to a T is a complete myth and she's the first artist character in a major Star Wars work?

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>>78398247
Because they were shit propped up by vast amounts of contradictory fanwank.

It's for the best there is now only one official source. If you don't like that source? Too bad, so sad, move on.

>>78399144
Kyle will probably be back in some manner.
>>78400785
>Liberal
>she spends most of the show murdering the fuck out of stormtroopers
She has the highest personal bodycount out of the cast.
>>78402699
him stealing the Death Star plans was literally the prologue to Dark Forces, it takes thirty seconds to complete if you know what you're doing. This new movie is probably going to be much better than that.

>>78406828
Dark Forces
Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II
Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
Academy

>>78413253
>it's for the best now that kiddie shit is the only source of Star Wars
>who needs mature storytelling or good ideas?

>>78408257
honestly those outfits look pretty nice.

>>78413907
>who needs mature storytelling or good ideas?

At which point did the EU ever contain mature storytelling or good ideLADYVADERLADYVADERLADYVADERas?

>>78414157
The Darth Bane trilogy, Shatterpoint, Dark Lord, Labyrinth of Evil, Darth Plagueis, Open Seasons, the KOTOR games and comic, Tales of the Jedi: Redemption (the rest is good though but more pedantic people may not see it as "mature"), the X-Wing books and comics... should I go on?
And yes, I'm not counting the Thrawn Trilogy because of the silly clone shenanigans, it's a pretty strong work otherwise.

When did they retcon it? Aside from the massive wipe to all EU that the mouse did so they can make family friendly stories.

More so where did they established that all mandalorians are good and not this one bitch who is cringe worthy anyways.

>>78413907
>EU
>Mature
>My canon can beat up your canon
Get. Over. It.

>>78414293
Sooooo books and comics?
AKA what they're still making?
Or can only old EU be mature?

>>78414377
>Or can only old EU be mature?
Not necessarily, but most of the new EU right now is made to promote TFA, so maybe in a few years?

>>78414377
Way to move the goalposts. You asked when was the EU mature, I answered.

>>78408025
Right that was the first one
It being set on one planet with only 2 or 3 point of views was probably why it was alright
And with the Jedi just being a Padawan there was a valid reason for Traviss to make the Clones better than her so it didn't seem like she was shiting on them at the time

>>78414432
>in a few years
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

They are going to turn star wars into the new marvel, where they are shitting out at least a movie a year and that means all their EU is going to be more garbage that promotes their movies so you watch their movies.

So unless the rule of two is thrown out the window or you get the most fucking sadistic sith lord that embodies an entire civilization of brutality that the sith/dark jedi are capable of I really don't buy that you will get anything mature out of the typical "Muhahaha I'm ebill guys! Look at me I'm so spooky, mean and aloof! I want to destroy things and all life with no rasain but force them to surrender to me so I can rule the galaxy!"

>>78414541
Like I said, maybe.

>>78414352
Cut the strawman shit Anon. No one's concerned about canon or the Old EU. But the fact of the matter is Disney's new EU is overall garbage and appeals to the lowest common denominators. Mainly easily entertained casuals and nostalgia obsessed manchildren. Even Rebels is hit-and-miss as fuck.

>>78414707
>Mainly easily entertained casuals and nostalgia obsessed manchildren
That also describes the last EU, if the levels of buttmad here are anything to go by.

Get over it.

>>78414783
That response was tantamount to NO U.

>>78414783
So how many millions is disney paying you to defend the awful move to remove so many years of work that really gave the star wars universe flavor so they can make everything PG-13.

>>78398247
>A race in a galactic civilization must all behave one particular way

I hope you die tonight

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>>78414541
>MFW when theses are the dark times and disney is the empire

>>78405624
Some Mando tried to open a theme park in the capital, Keldabe. It was designed to look like the skeleton of one of the city sized Mythosaurs that used to inhabit Mandalore before the Taung (original mandalorians) hunted them to extinction and whose skull became their symbol.

Being that Mandalore is a backwater hickville and the rest of the mandos hated kitschy bullshit like that, the place failed and was considered a local eyesore.

When the Empire set down a garrison in Keldabe, some mandos were able to convince the commander that the "city of bone" was a culturally important temple with great power over the local population.

So they sold the land to the Imperials who made it their headquarters. Many chuckles were had about this.

>tfw you grew up on Traviss Mandos and love them
I mean,I know Traviss fucked shit up, but teenage me thought they were the coolest shit ever and even in my twenties, I still really like them. Sorry guys.

>>78414838
Not nearly enough.

Get over it.
>>78414807
Because that's all that needs to be said

>>78403519
Hux seemed pretty convinced that first firing did the Republic in.

>>78406966
>not those pink chicks that everyone wants to fuck and can eat whatever they want without getting fat

>>78405603
Ho-Ho-Hold up.

>In stories he features in he becomes increasingly agonized over the fact that he can't carelessly kill anymore, not even to protect his clan. Who does he even really get "fawned" over, besides members of his own adopted family and friends?

>Jango "begged" something like seventy other Mandos to become Cuy'val Dar. Including several that he hated.

>The Kaminoans saw the clones as literally products, any being with empathy would chafe at their habit of heedlessly purging clones who showed the slightest defect. And I doubt you'd be just fine with the idea of millions of beings created with the express purpose of fighting and dying for a civilization they were not and with advanced aging could never be a part of.

>So I guess any time anyone falls in love, let's just shit on them for deciding their only purpose in life is to have their spouse's children. Fuck off, Etain could have deserted but she kept to her Jedi duty and that's what got her killed. Bardan was done with the Jedi and found a way he preferred.

>Etain jumped in front of the lightsaber of a padawan in order to save a clone trooper at the last moment. Not fighting them.

>And what's wrong with Skirata trying to make a home for clones and find a way to save his adopted sons from dying of old age at fifty? And quite a few of these deserters never become Mandalorian that we know of.

I don't know what the source of the 3 million clones thing comes from but yeah that's mega horseshit.

>>78416353
>Etain jumped in front of the lightsaber of a padawan in order to save a clone trooper at the last moment
That's really retarded. I find it very easy to believe this Traviss hates Jedi, no one with an ounce of respect for them would write that.

>>78416353
>Who does he even really get "fawned" over, besides members of his own adopted family and friends?
So literally everyone in the story that isn't killed and a few that are?

>>78412683
>Boba being some guy in armor doesn't make him interesting and unique though.
Actually it totally did.

He cruised for decades on that alone.

>>78413907
>who needs mature storytelling
No one watching Star Wars.

What was retconned? Why would they retcon it anyway, the average normie that watched this show wouldn't care.

>>78416605
This. All the good Boba Fett stories have nothing to do with him being a Mando.

>>78403315
>it was never officially introduced into canon that he's not.

Not a single canon piece of canon material either Fett is in refers to them as Mandalorians. Even the Encyclopedias simply refer to them as bounty hunters, and only reference their armor as being Mandalorian, not the characters themselves.

And then we have Almec stating they aren't.

So yes, technically, they have officially stated that they're not

>inb4 "muh Galactic Defense app" or "muh toy packaging"

>>78416353
>So I guess any time anyone falls in love, let's just shit on them for deciding their only purpose in life is to have their spouse's children
Nigga don't even act like that wasn't stupid as shit
She decided that her whole purpose and her whole life leading up to that point was so she could pump out real Mando warriors, so Papa would be proud.
Wanting to have a kid with someone you love is entirely different from defining your existence by it.

>>78416584
>Man, this story about a guy who is reasonably liked by his family and close friends is such a Mary Sue piece of shit, like goddamn that's such a lot of bullshit mental gymnastics to imagine the people he's close to don't all completely fucking hate his guts, it's so unrealistic goddamn Gary Stu shit it makes no sense fuck.

>>78416750
When every character, even the ones that have every reason to hate him, love and respect the guy then yes that is a Gary Stu.

>>78416698
If that was anything close to Etain's mindset she would have ran the fuck out on the Jedi order with Darman and slipped off to Kyrimorut away from both the way and her fellow Jedi.

>>78415935
What's more, where the fuck did Starkiller come from? It's not even really EU dependent but the first Death Star took decades to build, and the Empire controlled the entire galaxy and would have virtually unlimited resources to put towards building it.

Where the FUCK did the New Order, which seems to be not even close to a supreme galactic presence, build something that huge and powerful in roughly the same timeframe? HOW JJ, HOW?!

>>78416866
It was built INTO a planet, there's good chunk of your resources right there.

>>78415803
Her stuff is really good, ITs just the Jedi Fanboys (including the writers) got threaten that their popularity was putting them on the same level as their space samurai

>>78416605
It was Fake Hype, and even then they hinted at that shit.

>>78411777
Luke had compassion.

what's going on in this thread ?
is the a mando fanboy thread ?