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Why wasn't this as good as Daredevil?

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Why wasn't this as good as Daredevil?
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Because other than being Marvel, the stories are too different for them to really be on the same level.
Jessica Jones is good in its own way, much like Daredevil is good in its own way.
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Too much filler
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>>78336871
Because Daredevil was able to obscure it's weaker elements in terms of plotting and character arcs by having fantastic fight scenes. JJ's fight scenes were all really lackluster considering instead of cool acrobatics and dynamic visuals, it was just Jessica and Luke doing standard super-punching and no-selling with the occasional "Nuke shoots someone in the face" scene. It's not that Daredevil was really any better, it was just more entertaining and better at hiding its flaws. I think JJ had better individual scenes but was worse overall.

>>78336907
Daredevil had just as much if not more filler.
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Unlikable characters, more than half the cast written like utter retards, blew their villain load too early thus making him useless for the second half of the series, painfully inconsistent powers.
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>>78336871
Because it just was better
>>78336942
>Unlikable characters
Yeah, that's kinda the point
How many times do I have to repeat that Unlikeable = Bad character
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>>78336961
They were unlikable because they were poorly written. Doing stupid things normal people wouldn't do simply to add "plot" and drama. It's like a high budget CW show.
If a character is written well then they should be likeable even if they're a villain.
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>extremely bland characters
>wanting to be a thriller and failing at it
>everyone is an idiot which is supposed to be a "moral dilemma and struggle" but instead comes off as idiocy
>padding
>no atmosphere whatsoever
>shitty and boring main villain as expected of MCU
>absence of any subtlety in its themes
Not counting CWshit it's the worst show I've seen this year.
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Because Kilgrave cant carry a season so the entire season is basically filler.
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>>78336939
>Daredevil had just as much if not more filler.
It really didn't. Daredevil filler is Foggy's adventures in banging the angry lawyer, and maybe some of the Vanessa Fisk parts.

Jessica Jones had the lesbian divorce arc, the incest twins, half of the Nuke arc, the support group, and the druggy neighbour. You could have cut most of that shit out, and halved the druggy neighbour arc, and it'd have been a pretty great 6-7 episode show
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>>78336871
shitty fights, killgrave gets captured but escapes happens way too many times, filler.
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So did the show do anything right then?
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Pointless characters and/or ridiculous plot(s)

>Jessica lets tons of people die so that one girl can live
>the pointless twins
>the pointless druggie
>Kilgrave essentially giving up at the end
>Kilgrave being tortured as "submittable evidence"
>misrepresentation of Jessica's powers
>talking up a super-prison for a couple of episodes and never going there
>shitty mom with a heart of gold now
>Nuke's drug almost killing Hellcat in moments when he said it would take hours

The list goes on AND ON
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>>78337053
Luke Cage and Patsy?
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>>78337097
>>Kilgrave being tortured as "submittable evidence"

That was just Jessica's insanity.
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No hypnofetish porn.
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>>78336871
I liked it slightly more.

Daredevil had tighter plotting and MUCH better fight scenes, but JJ had better character stuff.
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>>78336871
but daredevil wasn't good
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>>78337348
And this was even worse.
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>>78337053
>listening to /co/

Jessica is supposed to be a fuckup, not that it completely excuses her and other characters from their decisions, but it doesn't ruin the show neither. Just watch it and have your own opinion.
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>>78337122
This, all they needed were a few scenes of Jessica in a French Maid outfit, show of the year all years.
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>>78338012
This.
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What bothered me most was Jessica was ready to run to Hong Kong at the mere mention
Of Kilgrave in one episode them only like 4 episodes later she was snarking to his face in her childhood home where all get problems lied
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>>78337053
Had an actually flawed female main character who suffers consequences for her mistakes.
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>>78336871
It was better, cause it wasn't about super heroing
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>>78336871
it has a woman solving her problems with violence and alcohol. that's only for men.
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>>78336961
>Yeah, that's kinda the point
>How many times do I have to repeat that Unlikeable = Bad character


This. But you can't expect everyone to understand the concept of Noir which is exactly what they were going for with JJ.
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>>78337117
yeah, Hogarth berates Jessica for doing that but she was desperate and went ahead. Patsy had to hit the electic shock to stop Jessica. JJ is an extremely damaged person and makes lots of bad choices, just like the comics.
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>>78336939
I dont know if id agree with all of that, the stuff with Malcolm was great, though the support group came up a lot so that could have been cut. The Nuke stuff was basically pointless so Ill agree.

The Lesbian stuff was there to show that someone could be as manipulative and bad as killgrave without powers, but also I suppose so he had a reason to escape. But basically that was the point when the show was going on a bit too long. It was still good, but it dragged after that.
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Not very satisfied that the show was resolved by Jessica's unexplained immunity to Kilgrave's powers.
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They didn't have enough close ups of Luke's O face
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Purole Man is just not a villain to carry an entire season. He should have appeared sparingly, been the main theme of Jessicas arc, but she needed more going on. Like, three or four episodes tops.

But they had Tennent, so fuck it.
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>The random cop Purple Man sent to kill Jessica Jone's pseudo sister also just happens to have been an ex soldier involved in super human power experiments
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>>78338194
To be fair, that was introduced long before the resolution, and didn't solve it by itself. It took a lot more hunting and tricking Kilgrave from Jessica to actually beat him, even with the immunity.
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>>78338381
Probably the weakest thing about the series. Nuke really didn't belong.
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I wonder how much Luke Cage and Iron Fist will line up with this.
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>>78338100
>Noir which is exactly what they were going for with JJ
And which they failed to deliver.
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>>78338100
>But you can't expect everyone to understand the concept of Noir
Jones fails one of the big rules of detective noir, it has the protag spend more time drinking and being an asshole than it does having them actually do useful stuff
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Jessica just isn't as compelling as Matt.
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>>78336871
First few episodes were sloppy. Show gradually gets more interesting only because Kilgrave gets more screentime.

Lead actress is a plank of wood. It's especially transparent when she shares screen with David Tennant.

At some point they realized Simpson was so right they had to make him do something stupid and it felt totally out of nowhere.

Fight choreography fucking sucked. Although, I personally enjoyed Simpson vs. Patsy and Jess and Jess vs. Luke. I also like that they clearly established that Luke is stronger than Jess without gurl powah bullshit.
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>>78336871
The 3rd quarter really fucking drags. There's two too many episodes. Kilgrave gets captured and escapes one too many times. The fucking redheaded twin sister keeps coming back. The support group amounts to very little in the end. Not enough Malcolm, a little too much Kilgrave (as good as Tennant was). Simpson was right and then becomes retardedly evil, is left as an obvious second season hook.
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it was just as good as if not better than daredevil
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>>78339058
>Simpson was right and then becomes retardedly evil, is left as an obvious second season hook.
I hope not. I hope it's Born Again hook.
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>>78336871
>Super heroes are like super fucking lame man
>Let's make fun of the name "Kilgrave" and never ever mention him as Purple Man or show Purple Man at all
>No funor joy allowed one cynical snark.
>Hellcat doesn't have what it takes to be a super hero unless she takes this magic pill that the authors pulled straight from their ass because Nuke didn't really work like that on the original work
>Nuke in general.
>"Don't call me patsy!!!!!"
I won't touch the merits of this series. As a marvel fan I felt belittled, talked down to and that the authors really though they made something more compeling and original for Hellcat and Nuke but in the process they fucked those characters up really bad.

I could feel their smug sense of satisfaction when they laughed at how retarded cape comics are while producing something that isn't as compelling.
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>>78336871
because womyn
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>>78338683
Nailed it
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>>78338683
I'm impressed.
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>>78339181
I think you're seeing personal attacks where they're not meant to be.
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>>78338083
This. /co/ complains that comics never know how to do good female characters with flaws but turns out they can't even recognize one when they see her.
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>>78339251
I don't see this as personal attacks though, but as the authors shitting over the genre they are adapting and taking characters from. The Jewel episode was pretty much them telling how fuck stupid was her "original" comic book outfit and name.
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80% of the reason why I watched the show was because mind-control has a lot of potential when it come to storytelling, and another 10% was because of Tennant; on both those front, I was really totally satisfied.

For the rest though, it was good to meh. Worst thing is how it wasn't tight enough.

>Oh shit, she's playing house, surely we're getting to the climax!
>Oh shit, she got him, surely this is the climax!
>Oh shit, the restaurant, surely this is the climax!
>Oh shit, the club scene with Kilgrave playing the Pokemon Trainer to Cage, surely this is the climax!
>Oh shit, 30 people killing each other, good thing this is the last episode cause I can't stand it anymore.

All those settings would have been better than the ending, which made it feel anticlimactic.

And fuck Simpson.
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>>78339324
They're not shitting on the genre. They're contrasting Jessica and Trish's characters. Jessica is not meant to be the "correct" voice in the series AT ALL.
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>>78339336
>>Oh shit, the restaurant, surely this is the climax!

I'm with you there buddy. The fact we had to endure a slog of an episode right after that shit was awful.
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>>78336871
too much sass
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>>78339353
The way Jessica delivered her lines and the way she convinced Trish was pretty much "Jessica acts like a snarky bitch but it's ok because it's cool" moment the series is filled to the brim with.

Not all of those moments are bad, several scenes are fun because of it but the way Trish was framed in the entire series, her conflict and even own admission of "not having what it takes to be a hero" really left this sour taste on my mouth.

From another perspective:
They wrote a character from a comic book universe which conflict was that she led a colorful and "fun" super hero live clashing with a horrible super villain that utterly destroyed that innocent fantasy and made her a wreck into a snarky, angry person from day 1.

If Killgrave had never apperead she would still be a bad ass who hates that weak and fartsy super hero colorful shit and to me they lost the contrast the original had and replaced it with nothing.
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>>78336871
fights were shit
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One thing I don't see mentioned a lot but I personally hated every time it happened, was the grey's anatomy style end of the episode narration that Jessica did
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>>78339364
Would have been great poetry too, considering that finding out about the restaurant is what made her realise for sure Kilgrave was back in the first place. Would have made sense to be the place of their last confrontation.
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this show made me miss daredevil

i want charlie cox to cuddle me
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>/co/ defends Bendis, the thread

The show was better than the comic
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>>78339255
Good female leads make the perfect choice in every situation, have forth wall foresight, and don't get knocked out by logs senpai.
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Daredevil= transcends tragedy, becomes a hero

Jessica Jones= wallows in self-pity, stays an insufferable cunt
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>>78339635
B.. But lack of any kind of interesting development is so totally noir!
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It was better tho.

The side characters had more to do and it wasnt as padded out. Not making Kilgrave purple after he snorted that baby was a nig mistake
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>>78339527
That implies the comic was good in the first place.
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>>78336871
Matt is sexier and while Killgrave was a great villain he didn't get nearly as much screentime and development as Kingping. Also the cinematography was way better, especially in the fight scenes.
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>>78339428
>The way Jessica delivered her lines and the way she convinced Trish was pretty much "Jessica acts like a snarky bitch but it's ok because it's cool" moment the series is filled to the brim with.
Jessica is not meant to be presented as "cool" or correct in her attitude.
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Too much of a slow burn.
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>>78338683
this is incredible
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Trinity's subplot was pointless
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>>78336871
Wow, from the thumbnail I thought that was Gally for a second.
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>>78340345
See:
>>78338158

I found it more interesting than Foggy and Karen helping the old Mexican lady.
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>>78340411
ok, saying it's more interesting than another boring subplot doesn't really mean much, it was very poorly connected to the main arc of the show and wasn't really high stakes enough to stand on its own. Trinity's interactions with Jessica were enough to show she was a highly manipulative person, really didn't need a big arc about her divorce just so she could drive Kilgrave to her house.
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>>78340476
>Trinity's interactions with Jessica were enough to show she was a highly manipulative person
Being willing to use mind control on your ex is another step beyond everything else.
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>>78336961
Unlikable doesn't equal a bad character, you just have to know what made them unlikable.
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>>78338683
Still incredibly salty about Ben Urich's death, he could have added so much to the entire Marvel universe.

I mean, fuck, I thought he was safe was he was race swapped black, fuck.
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>>78340503
again, that did not require a huge near season spanning subplot.
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>>78336871
Daredevil wasn't that good either.
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>>78339255

Mildly extreme chauvanists being full of shit about their views on gender roles? Say it aint so.
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>>78340169

Yeah, I see a LOT of posts with this 'god we're supposed to LIKE this bitch what the fuck'.

No. You aren't supposed to like her. She's an alcoholic with bad PTSD (having disorders, shockingly, doesn't make you likable) and is kind of a jerk on top of all that. Why do people assume the show is framing her as 'right' or 'good'? What evidence from the show is there to support this? When is she ever rewarded for being a cynical piece of shit?
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>>78340834
Why watch the show then?
If every character is a shitty unlikable fuck up that constantly makes bad illogical choices then why should I invest time keeping up and finding out what happens? Season 2 could start with all of them bring violently murdered and I wouldn't care because I don't like them.
If they purposely made everyone awful then fine but it doesn't make for a very enjoyable show.
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>>78339635
Jessica Jones had a stronger morality then daredevil. A big chunk of the netflix daredevil fans said they liked it because he was an antihero ala frank castle.
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>>78340519
Maybe in the Luke Cage series they'll kill off some helpful white dude to balance it out.
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I got about halfway through it. Did they have any episodes not focused of Kilgrave? I liked how in Daredevil they had some episodes to decompress and character build. In the first episodes maybe have the show not focus on Kilgrave exactly, but help develop the characters. I got to the part where they capture Kilgrave and then found out he escapes and then get captures AGAIN and escapes AGAIN. I just thought it was kinda silly.
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>>78340919
>Jessica Jones had a stronger morality then daredevil.
REALLY?

>Not telling Luke Cage the truth until someone innocent almost gets killed
>Not killing Kilgrave when she had the chance to
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>>78340888
>Why watch the show then?
people watch GoT and everyone is unlikeable on that
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>>78341307
Or Always Sunny. Hell, the entire cast being unlikeable is the selling point of Always Sunny.
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>>78341141
>>Not telling Luke Cage the truth until someone innocent almost gets killed
oh you flash fags are rich. Secrets are there for a fucking reason. Hers was pretty bad but it's obvious why she kept it from him, and it was better than Foggy complaining that Matt is not really blind in the normal sense. He spent an entire episode crying over that, it was stupid
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>>78341307
>and everyone is unlikeable on that
They arent. They're really flawed, but like real people many of them have good point sas well
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>>78337122
My fucking dick.
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>>78337122
Who /hypnofetish/ here?
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>>78340919
>Let's a shit ton of people die so she can frame and due process a magic dude who can magic away the minds
>The key to due this is via torture and contrived evidence
>Acts like she doesn't want to be a hero anyway when she tries and fails at it by being an amoral jerk who has NO ISSUE mauling the ever loving shit out of a mind controlled family but restrains herself when dealing with trained and armed individuals

"But anon it was not her problem trying to kill or not Killgrave".

She flat out says she wants to (and eventually does) kill him.
She even stops others from killing him.

She refused to kill him in a last ditch effort to save Hope and the others, who all got fucked over the hope and the glass ANYWAY.

She has a paper thin excuse for not killing Killgrave and all that blood is on her hands when she left him alive in the house since most of the kills were trying to get to her.

And no. It's not a moral or heroic thing to do, killing Killgrave that is. But doing nothing while he kills others is also pretty fucking un-heroic.
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Jessica was really annoying. They played up her being unlikable/not a people-person way too hard.

Nuke and Kilgrave saved the season.
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>>78339527
The show WAS better than the comic.
But it also shits over the good bits over the comic AND unrelated characters.
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>>78340169
All right, fair.
What about the second portion of that post, though?
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>>78340795
>Mildly extreme
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>>78341350
who was likable besides Ned?
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>>78341463
No one is saying she shouldn't have killed him first chance she had. But she thought she had other options and wasn't willing to kill him until her back was too the wall and realized that she should have done it from the start.

But if she killed him right away there would be no show right?
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>>78341757
Tyrion
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>>78336903
whoa liking 2 things, think you need to leave.
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>>78338080
She realized she had a responsibility and she couldn't run away or else he would keep hounding her
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>>78338012
>listening to /co/
Why should I listen to you too?
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>>78341335
Yea, but it comes with charm and that came on much more gradually over the course of a decade.
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>>78341757
Jon, Tyrion, Jamie some mutants seem to like Daenarys
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Everyone is over looking the best part of this show; the reverse cowgirl scenes
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>>78342463
I liked nuke under the covers eating out trish
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>>78338091
>Solving her problems
Which part was that?
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>>78337122
>>78338055
The Alias comic would have counted if Purple Man didn't let Jessica force herself not to touch him at all.
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>>78336871
Because
1. shes not as interesting as Daredevil
2. Her only character defining story is her history with Purple Man
3. The material in that story is has nowhere near enough content to last 13 episodes, maybe 6 tops
4. The structure of the show for some reason wasn't really about being a PI in the MCU, which is the only way a show about Jessica Jones could actually continue
5. Jessica made a series of baffling decisions
6. Most of the show was filler
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>>78340919
>Jessica Jones had a stronger morality then Catholicman
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I dunno, I think shows with morally ambiguous heroes need some kind of moral center to act as a bulwark and reference for the hero. That wasn't really present in JJ; there was no moral center anywhere. Trish came closest but even she wasn't really. Daredevil had the priest, those were some of my favorite scenes because they underlined Matt's struggle to reconcile his violent nature, thirst for justice and moral beliefs. Jessica just kind of did whatever she wanted even it was completely fucking stupid, and the defense that's always offered is "Durr, she's a messed up person, of course her decisions won't be great", but you can extend that endlessly, can't you? No matter how fucking terrible her decisions are, she always has that "excuse". Even Constantine is less vague in terms of moral grounding.
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>>78338683
>Australian power ranger
You're gonna need to elaborate on that, I'm not familiar with them
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>>78341986
>Just watch it and have your own opinion.
Becuase he told you to just watch it and have your own opinion! Uh oh telling you to think for yourself, I'm in on it too don't listen to me!
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>>78339527
Now it's bad to defend old Bendis too? You people are more pathetic and desperate than I thought.
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>>78341795
>But if she killed him right away there would be no show right?
That's called terrible writing.
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>>78342731
The guy who played Malcolm was in Power Rangers RPM, and the guy who played Vladimir on Daredevil was in another Power Rangers show.
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>>78336903
That's way too much sense and nuance for this board.
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>>78342783
Pathetic? You're calling us pathetic?
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>>78338683
Luke Cage, at least, will correspond with this exactly.
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>>78336871
Matt is just inherently based.
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>>78341335
That isn't true. All of the characters are at least somewhat likeable. They're all huge cunts and awful people, but they have a certain charm that makes them endearing.
>>78341757
Tyrion, Jamie (later on), Onion Knight, Jorah, Jon, Littlefinger, Danerys, and Arya are all characters that have a respectable fan following because they were presented as 'cool', 'badass' or in some other way likeable.
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Needed more killgrave
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>>78342974
Inherently and absolutely based, yes.
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Jessica looks like her fanny would smell. I was very distracted by her general ickyness
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>>78342695
You are right in that she pretty much always has that excuse until she does something 100% out of character like punting an orphan out a window.

As others have said, main problem of the show was that it relied too much on PM and didn't fill up episodes with PI shit. They could have easily had an ep or two dedicated to PI work involving another street level super.
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>>78343358
Yeah, an alcoholic mentalcase who regularly gets buttfucked in her shitty little flat. I agree, it doesn't sound very pleasant, mate
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best line was a throw away episode
>You take your shit and you live with it
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>>78338194
Pretty sure they just said it was her being forced to kill Luke's wife when she really didn't want to. Not great but they can't use Jean to give her psychic defenses or whatever the original explanation was.
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>>78339481
I want him in my mouth.
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>>78336871
"looks like her fanny would smell. I was very distracted by her general ickyness"

I couldn' pu' me finger on i'...in a non-fanny based manner o' speakin'...bu' I too experienced a curiously high ick factor watchin' this show yet I like krysten ritter

me suspicion's krysten ritter experienced wearin' jessica jones' moccasins as a deeply scabrous affair an' won't be broken hearted if the show's cancelled
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>>78343960
it was also implied that being controlled for so long helped her body build up a resistance to the virus itself
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>>78344414
But if she became immune due to being controlled a lot, why didn't Purple Man's parents?
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>>78337110
They ruined patsy holy shit. Im just waiting for the luke/iron fist mysteries!
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>>78337097

>Super prison

Now, I just want to be clear here: you do know that "super max" is a real from of prison and not a prison for supers in a fictional world, right?

And if you do know that, then my next question is, did I miss some implication of another prison other than JJ repeatedly demanding that she be sent to super max?
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>>78344485
A more plausible explanation might be that Jessica's accelerated healing contributed to the resistance over time.
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>>78343435
She's just plain ugly looking on top of that. Her proportions are all kinds of fucked. I don't even care about a good looking JJ, but she grossed me out a few times too.
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Luke Cage when? April? May? god i hope daredevil doesn't push back the release, i honestly don't give a shit about watching shane kill people
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>>78344485
There's no single explanation. It could be any combination of reasons.
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>>78342882
Pathetic. That's what he called us. Us, pathetic.
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>>78344519
It'll still be better than the book Marvel are about to start printing
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>>78339255
>Jessica Jones
>good female character
She's nothing but a shit cliche
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Call it: Jessica versus this guy
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>>78336871
They wanted you to take it more seriously than daredevil, not root for the character as much as daredevil, and treat it like a serious show.

Unless you're talking about the plot, in which case it's all about the themes, man, and you shouldn't take it so serious. Sure, story wise, her letting Killgraves parents in with him made no narrative, logical or just plain common sense, but it's about the themes man. The subtle theme of screaming rape every other episode.

It was boring, the plot was just plain nonsensical and bad, and Jessica was a character who never grows or changes, meaning her whole journey comes down to 'kill the badguy' and then it just kinda stops. A waste of time with a half dozen pointless side characters who drop off the map as soon as their 'theme' is done, and action scenes so terribly shot you'd swear Arrow was laughing at them.

It's pretty bad.
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>>78343199
Needed less Killgrave. Killgrave should't have been the main focus till the second half of the season, and shouldn't have been really mentioned till at least episode 4. Instead they blew their wad right at the beginning.
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>>78342937
Not with everything. They can't racebend Jessica.
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>>78349378
He also should've been more threatening.
I can't take this faggot manchild with goofy face seriously no matter how potentially terrifying his powers could be.
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JessiCAAAA
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>>78349026
>>78349333
>Killgraves parents in with him made no narrative, logical or just plain common sense
It seemed very straightforward. Kilgrave uses his powers on them, and she has her evidence.

Jessica went from someone who wasn't willing to stick her neck out for other people to someone who was again. Also, a character doesn't need to change to be good, anyway.
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>>78337097
>Nuke's drug almost killing Hellcat in moments when he said it would take hours

he told here that HE won't need it for hours because he's used to it.She,was not.
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>>78341335
Always sunny has charm and humor though which makes you like them even though they're all awful people.
JJ is just an endless fuckup who can't stop wallowing in her misery and having rape flashbacks.
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>>78349063
I kept forgetting Jessica had super strength.

Not even kidding.
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>written by the writer/producer behind the Twilight adaptations
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>>78338381
>coincidences happening is bad
Yeah because random connections between characters never happen in the marvel universe.
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>>78353225
Hey now, it's not fair to judge any director saddled with that source material.
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>>78353474
As someone who liked this series, yes, coincidences like that are bad writing. And comic books are full of bad writing.
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>>78349566
All I could think about whenever he said her name was that MadTV skit.

>Jessicuh Jessicuh Jessicuh
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>>78341795
Did they ever explain why she didn't punch his teeth out or something? Seems like stopping his ability to talk wouldn't prevented using past evidence.
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>>78349586
>It seemed very straightforward. Kilgrave uses his powers on them, and she has her evidence.

Or she could just have his parents, who are scientists, and those videos, and presumably some of his 'virus' now that she knows what it was, as evidence.

What exactly makes his parents a viable testimony if he uses his powers on them, but not one of her friends? A testimony that won't work if they just like, say it. And bring a sample to prove it.

It was 100 percent artificial padding, nothing more.
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>>78353859
Said it before, I'll say it again, they fucked up when they made Killgrave's powers a virus.

Because that's something tangible, that's something they can actually take to someone and prove, they can have it examined and verified and it's a real thing. It's not like his influence in the comics where it's vague and doesn't leave a trace, it's a virus. Their whole narrative of "We have to prove Killgrave can control people!" falls apart right there, because now they can, and they know exactly how. That scene with his parents wasn't just unnecessary, it wasn't just artificial and forced for the sake of the plot, it becomes downright a stupid gaping plothole that the whole series desperately tries to have you pretend doesn't exist while begging you to take it's plot and characters seriously, but not too seriously.

This show was so poorly thought out the entire imperative of half of the damn show hinges on it's audience not knowing how a virus works and thinking that some people acting controlled on a camera who could very well be pretending, because they weren't going to let them get hurt, was somehow more valid in a legal case than something as verifiable as an unidentifiable virus someone is literally omitting.

But hey, then we wouldn't have gotten that other plothole of "Lesbilawyer thinks this whole thing is fake, but still sabotages Killgraves cell, or she thinks it does work and the mind controller who raped her client is just going to be totes okay with her request." and more padding in the form of a 180 random kill of a police guy just so the audience knows who's a badguy and a B plot that gets swept under the rug the instant it's done.
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Updated. Combined and replaced some to make room for a couple new ones.
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>>78353859
>What exactly makes his parents a viable testimony if he uses his powers on them, but not one of her friends?
The issue was that she couldn't provoke Kilgrave to use his powers, even in a life-threatening situation, before. With his parents she was hoping (and was correct in assuming) that it would provoke him enough to use his powers in front of the camera.
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>>78353772
Probably because it'd be harder to convince Horgarth and black cop to wait and let her prove that she's not a crazy kidnapper.
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>>78336871

Basically you have two Rambo movies

Daredevil is Rambo First Blood, where the psychological elements are paired nicely with scenes of Sylvester Stallone tearing apart a bigoted small town. He is isolated from society, and while there are moments of commentary by Rambo and other characters explaining his frustration eloquently and pointedly, the movie demonstrated this through Rambo's mechanical violence response. We get to see his skills and it's a visceral thrill to watch him cut through a bunch of people who deserve what's coming to them even though we realize the tragic consequences.

>"He can't be a part of society because he'll flip out and kill everyone when triggered. Pretty blunt."

Jessica Jones is a different Rambo movie. What if the cop let Rambo go, or Rambo didn't go nuclear on the town when pushed. He's the same character with the same skills, but we are now following a realistic progression of what it means to be an unwanted veteran without skills, following him looking for a job, coping in self destructive ways, lacking direction but still trying to put on a brave face. There might be a couple of actions sequences, but they are mostly short and brutal without any immediate consequences to Rambo. The end would be the same, the General escorting Rambo back to the jungle, but only after Rambo chooses to go back, not after a murder spree which forces execution as the only alternative. Less action, but maintains the message.

>"He can't be a part of society because he can't form relationships and weather mundane life without being a soldier. More subtle, expressed through scenes of repeated failure to adapt to civilian life."
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It was just as good, and by that I mean just as bad.

They're both messes that start well peak in the middle, and then just tank their way to the finish line. They both have some great moments, but neither of them are that great when taken as a whole.
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>>78354233
I wouldn't call Patsy the moral center of the show. She was just as fucked up as Jessica. She just wasn't a fuckup.
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I don't know. It just didn't leave me feeling as satisfied as Daredevil did.
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>>78354302
...you do realize that your whole analysis is flawed because Rambo, like Daredevil, only had one guy die, by accident, while they were defending themselves, and never killed anyone onscreen personally.

Unlike Jessica, who ends the show killing someone, and then ends the show going right back to being a detective again.
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>>78354362
>She was just as fucked up as Jessica.
How so?
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>>78354570
You're taking it too literally. The shows obviously don't have the same message as Rambo.
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>>78354570
>only had one guy die, by accident
Intentionally setting someone on fire, which they then die from, is hardly "by accident".

Plus the whole "throwing a guy off a roof and only checking to see if he lived after being asked" thing.

The "kill or not" issue was by far the weakest part of Daredevil.
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>>78338909
Nah. Most noir has the protag often crossing the line and doing amoral shit, and making the wrong decisions
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>>78336871
Because it was better than Daredevil. You want them to drop the quality? I really enjoyed both shows and look forward to more. Ritter did an excellent job, and I can't wait to see the shit they get into.
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>>78336978
Some examples maybe? The things that you view as 'stupid' are probably the human element of the show. The entire point is that these guys have serious flaws. What stupid things are you talking about specifically?
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>>78354857
Why did nobody point put airborn virus samples are super easy to obtain? What human elements, exactly, caused two scientists to forget this?

Why did jessica, whose flaw was pushing others away, insist on bringing Luke to fight him in the dance floor, when he would be exactly no help and a huge risk just being there?
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>>78338381
Who says that Kilgrave picked him randomly? It seemed to me that he picked him very much because of his abilities. Kilgrave was ahead of the curve for most of the season.
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>>78354742

Personally it started out okay, it started with a mystery that had to be solved and a past that you weren't sure of what happened. Hope in the first episodes was genuinely creepy. After a couple episodes they sort of swept that under the rug it became less mystery building, Jessica was less of an asshole and became a standard model textbook character who would follow down pointers.

Overall DD might have some filler but it bothered me less than with JJ. Some things just made no sense at all there and make you think what was the point of it all, like the "cheating" husband who ends up being some anti meta human groupie who wants to kill her.

Had they actually stuck to the creepy mysterious thriller theme then it would've been nice but it jumped the shark for me for changing direction without any real announcement to it.
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>>78354924
>Why did jessica, whose flaw was pushing others away, insist on bringing Luke to fight him in the dance floor
She didn't. Once she found out Kilgrave was there, she told Luke to stay away.
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>>78339439
Narration is a staple of the Noir genre. Personally, I believe that it needed MORE of it, but to each their own I suppose.
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>>78355070
The narration felt unnecessary to me. It basically just told us things she felt that could already be clearly conveyed by showing instead.
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>>78339635
Except for the part at the fucking end where she makes a decision to become a hero again. She's still snarky, but that is just her. Did you just stop watching at the end?
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>>78342744
i have a opinion it's fucking shit
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>>78340834
The show paints a very good picture of what kind of asshole Jessica is. She is a cantankerous self serving alcoholic asshole. She was perfect.
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>>78339635
She wallows, but definitely not in self-pity. She's constantly talking shit about herself and how she deserves the shit she gets. It's never "poor me".
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>>78341350
As does Jessica. She tries her best to help Holly. Sure she had extra motivation, but she certainly had bright spots. She is resourceful and surprisingly compassionate.
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>>78341463
That was kind of the fucking point of the entire thing. Jessica is a fuck up in the first degree. I don't think that anyone here would argue with you that all the people that died after Jessica could have killed Kilgrave are certainly her burden. It is sure to haunt her the rest of the time the show runs. Maybe, just maybe, she'll get a little better at it.
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>>78355155
Jessica believes she caused the car crash that killed her family and it really messes up the rest of her life life
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>>78355090
That's how it works. Some people like it, and some don't. Personally I prefer a healthy amount of narration.
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>>78336903
Straight up logic
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>>78355376
Narration is simply the writers not being able to show the plot to the viewer so they just give up and tell you everything.
It's lazy.
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>>78353191
She mainly uses it to bypass doors. Like, there were 3 or 4 doors busted per episode, she hates them more than she hates Kilgrave.
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>>78346209
Us?
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>>78354742
Yes, but good noir doesnt have them exclusively do that. They always have some other angle, they arent just a drunken asshole
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>>78355376
The narration didnt have any style, it just felt like an episode of Greys Anatomy
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>>78343358
She's supposed to. She's a depressive train wreck.
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>>78343358
I bet her Vagina is chunky.
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>>78341534
As opposed to extremely extreme.
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I didn't watch this because for the life of me I couldn't fucking remember who Jessica Jones was.
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>>78336871
Because women to be honest.
Not even joking, even women prefer to watch men do things.
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>>78336871
Too long, pacing shot to hell and back, that actress has a face I want to punch (but a great ass), and the only two people that actually played well were Luke Cage's actor and the blonde friend.
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>>78336871
I've read several reviews of the show and they all say the same thing. The show just isn't interesting. The main character is deemed as copy pasta character with a tragic past trying to cope with it. The problem is the past is so vague that most people don't give a damn.
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>>78360962
>Literally taking other people's opinions as your own
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>>78360962
Where were these reviews? The ones I read praises it for its Feminism, but I didn't see many people calling out it's pacing issues, repetitiveness, and other things.
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>>78361512
Ironically go check out feminist frequency's review. Anita disliked it because JJ endlessly goes on and on about muh awful past and refused help at every turn and always makes the illogical choice. Plus the awful padding and pointless tumblr pandering like having the lawyer be a lesbian who cheats on her spouse just for drama.
It's like a bunch of self loathing guys tried to make a show to appeal to the tumblr audience.
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>>78361813
>Anita disliked it because JJ endlessly goes on and on about muh awful past and refused help at every turn and always makes the illogical choice
Is Anita autistic?
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>>78361813
>It's like a bunch of self loathing guys tried to make a show to appeal to the tumblr audience.
The director/lead writer was a woman.
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>>78361994
>The director/lead writer was a woman.

Basically the same thing then
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>>78361813
>pointless tumblr pandering like having the lawyer be a lesbian who cheats on her spouse just for drama.
I thought portraying a lesbian as evil was problematic?
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>>78336871
I really enjoyed it, but I agree they could've cut down the side plots a bit, they didn't really add much to the show.
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>>78361977
She believes that if you don't mention rape, it'll magically go away.
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>>78336871
Because they didn't get Terry Crews to play Cage
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>>78367072
SWEET CHRISTMAS
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>>78336871
It relied on people being idiots to keep the plot going more than one time.

They probably should have just cut out Nuke or have him become Nuke at the very end.
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So was it dyke Trinity that sabotaged the cable that electrocuted Purple Man's prison cell? If so, why?
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>>78336871
Because nothing is as good as Daredevil.
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Because Daredevil is pinnacle of live action superheroes.
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>a show character with super powers
>barely uses them
>villain is normified to just be a man in a suit
>also making purps a rapist when he wasnt in canon
>forces BLACKED right in your face when it happened ONE time in the comic
>deviating from canon
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>>78368142
>villain is normified to just be a man in a suit
He was just a purple man in a suit before. Now he's a man in a purple suit.

>also making purps a rapist when he wasnt in canon
He was a rapist. He just hadn't raped Jessica specifically. That was changed to give him an additional "the one thing I want but can't have" angle, instead of just being a sadist.

>forces BLACKED right in your face when it happened ONE time in the comic
This isn't even a real complaint. How is that bad?

>deviating from canon
Welcome to adaptations.
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>>78367616
It's not a high bar.
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