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FRANK MILLER'S "DARK KNIGHT III" DEBUTS TO 440K

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Comic sales estimates for November are out, let us commence our monthly lamenting /co/

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/frank-millers-dark-knight-iii-debuts-to-440k-in-sales
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Where is Gotham Academy?
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There's something wrong with your list: Squirrel Girl isn't on it. Try again.
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this is why comics are getting expensive desu. Idiotic Old Fags and Speculators who keep buying these 5.99 and 4.99 titles. FFS there's like 2 4 dollar comics there in the top ten.
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>>78176435
>Walking Dead, Saga, B&RE are the only 2.99 books in the top 50
>Marvel doesn't have any 2.99 books at all
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>>78176395
>90% dropoff for DKIII#2

Comics are fucked.
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>>78176422
dialysis treatment
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>>78176460
Welcome to the wonderful world of Variants. DKIII took a page out of the Marvel playbook and had 71 incentive variants, including a 5000:1 variant. To put that in perspective, to get that one variant, a store would have to order 5000 copies of the comic and multiple copies of that variant are out there, which means that multiple stores bought 5000+ copies just for it.

If only two of those variants sold, then that's more sales than all issues of Prez for the month.
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>>78176422
No issue in November, it double shipped in December
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>>78176395
>posting the partial thing via mobile

>The estimated total sales for the 300 comics was 8,299,977 comics which is up by 374,486 units from October and up by 1,571,870 units from November 2014. Marvel Comics had the largest percentage of the top 300 comics with 51.27% of the total units sold followed by DC Comics with 28.57%.

>The top selling comic from Marvel Comics was "Star Wars: Vader Down (2015)" #1 in slot 2 with an estimated 384,968 units and for DC Comics was "Dark Knight III: Master Race (2015)" #1 in rank 1 with an estimated 440,234 units.

>The estimated total sales for the 300 trades was 351,446 trades which is down by 43,565 units from October and down by 53,397 units from November 2014.

>Topping the trades list in November was "Sandman Overture Deluxe Ed" by DC Comics with 12,549 units.

Meanwhile:
>USG from beating Superman to becoming second lowest ANAD Marvel #2 issue, even beating Titans Hunt and Lois & Clark anyway
>Secret Six closer to cancellation numbers
>What a huge drop for Grumpy Cat, bigger than fucking Howling Commandos, but Spider-Gwen has the biggest drop

Pic related is the full thing. This is the November 2015 Comic Sales Report (Top 300's).
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>>78176556
Sorry
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>161 11.39 $2.99 DC Midnighter (2015) 6 12,186
>182 9.07 $2.99 DC Omega Men (2015) 6 9,709
;_;
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>>78176592
Middy's digital sales are okay but those of Omega Men are worse. The latter's trade will not come out until late August 2016 (if its Amazon listing is to be believed).
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>all them 2nd issue drops
>Carnage slightly outselling Uncanny Inhumans in both of their seconds issues

So when is "All New All Now Marvel" happening?
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>>78176705
After Civil War II. They've already said that their plan is annual relaunches with treating comic launches like "seasons" of a show.
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>Miller will never write another Daredevil book

Feels bad.
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>>78176727
Source
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>>78176735
Well Frank's still pissed off about Elektra.
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>>78176727
This is ridiculous. It only makes things confusing in the long run specially since they relaunch with the same creative team over and over.
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>>78176705
Can somebody compare the Iron Man drops
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>>78176788
>The inker is different
>Time to relaunch
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>all those #1s and 2s in the list
>(2015b)

Jesus Christ Marvel, cut that shit out.
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>>78176727
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>Spider-Gwen #2 at 62k
Is the hype finally dying?
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>>78176907
>2015b
Huh, I was wondering how they would differentiate them.
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No real surprise.

>>78176622
Originally the first Omega Men trade was supposed to be out in like February so they're delaying it to publish it all together I guess.
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>>78176939
62k is still pretty damn high. Not "Marvel's third highest selling book" high, but still high.
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>>78176395

JL is really going down, Darkseid war is confirmed as a failure,
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>>78176727
>Source: My ass
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>2015b
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>>78176994
That's JLA the Hitch written/drawn book. Justice League didn't ship that month, had all the tie-ins.
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>Superman: Lois and Clark (2015) 2 22,898

Glad this is doing poorly. They deserve to be punished for giving Jurgens an ongoing and setting it on new 52 Earth-0

>2015b

just fuck my shit up senpai
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>>78177027
Also every Darkseid War one shot is getting second printings
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>>78176395
>>78176424
>>78176422


Any word on Power-Up by Hack Leth?

I want to know how hard is failling
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>108 $3.99 MAR Unbeatable Squirrel Girl (2015b) 2 23,063
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>>78177184
don't worry, they'll relaunch it in two months to fix that
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>Guardians of the Galaxy literally went back to its regular numbers
What's the point of this relaunches then? It literally didn't help the book at all. The #1 got 100k+ sells and now it's back to normal. Why not call this issue fucking #29 then.
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>>78177134
It didn't have an issue in November.
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>>78176547
What a wonderful time to open a recycling plant.
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>>78177242
>The #1 got 100k+ sells

I think that's the point. That's like 3 months of sales in one month, it pads the numbers a little without having to do a crossover or whatever.
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>2015b

kek
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What's the thing with "2015b"?
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>>78177532
There are multiple #1s for those books in 2015 so they had to add the b to differentiate them in the long run
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>>78177552
Makes sense, I should think of that.
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>Drax almost GotG levels
>Beat Star-Lord, Nova, Hercules, Vision, New Avengers, Uncanny Inhumans, Captain America
LIKE MUSSOLINI AND KENNEDY!!!
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>>78177655
It's called a #1.

These drops are hilarious. The bubble burst when variants shit out is going to be catastrophic.
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>>78176727
I don't find that hard to believe, but i'm gonna need a source still.
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>Vision is the third worst selling ANAD debut
>42k for the first issue
>probably going to be at 19k by issue #3
>Omega Men and Midnighter still selling like shit
JUST
U
S
T
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>>78177965
King deserves better. At least Robin War should do well.
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>>78177965
On the plus side, at least the sales for Vision can't go down for the 2nd issue since Marvel is sending every retailer free copies equal to the number they ordered of #1.
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>Mighty Thor 1
>112,000
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Is Batman the single strongest /co/ character and franchise?
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>>78178020
Him and Spiderman, yes.
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>>78177842
>"Now in 2017 every issue is it's own event!"
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>>78178020
He is literally DC's fingerhold on the top of the chart. The four best selling titles are Batshit.
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Marvel is cancer
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>>78178111
Hopefully by then I'll move on from comics.

Why did I have to get into such a cancerous hobby?
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>>78178157
just tradewait
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>>78178157
Read older, already finished, proven good stuff.
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>Vision #1 - 42,119
>Squirrel Girl Vol 1 #1 - 41,693
>Only 426 difference
Why faggots why? What do I have to do? Do I need to start a campaign to ban storytimes so you have to move your fucking ass and fucking buy the godmdamn comics. It's not fair.
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>112 Earth 2: Society (2015)
>21,947

BURN YOU SONUVABITCH
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>>78177134
I remember seeing a ton of unsold issues at my LCS.

Felt nice.
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>>78178329
Killing storytime wouldn't help, there's only like 300 people on /co/ anyway
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>>78178329
You're also not taking into consideration the millions of digital sales for Squirrel Girl that we've been told keeps it alive. Possibly trillions.
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>>78178329
Wouldn't actually do anything because the types of people that don't buy a comic if its storytimed are also the types of people that would likely only be buying the "important" stuff instead of the good stuff were it not for the storytimes.

Just spread good word of mouth. Tell your friends how good it is and recommend it to them. Try and get people at your LCS to add it to their pull.
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>>78178329
How is marketing working out, which book is shilled more?
>>78178363
And less than half of that reads comics.
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>>78178402
>which book is shilled more?
I would say the top 3 shilled books in /co/ are Squirrel Girl, Captain Marvel and Guardians of the Galaxy.
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>>78178464
Captain Marvel really isn't shilled by /co/ much. I've seen pretty much no threads about the relaunch, as opposed to Squirrel Girl which gets multiple "grr, I'm so angry at tumblr so here's a storytime so we can be angry at tumblr together XD!"threads everyday, and Guardians of the Galaxy which gets the bulk of the Bendis meme-posting threads.

I'd argue the most /co/ shilled comics are Squirrel Girl, GotG, and Grayson.
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>>78178509
Grayson is husbandoing not shilling. Bitches have always loved Dick.
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>>78178464
wut
Do you know what shilling is?
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>>78178531
He's sort of right, hate threads keep things relevant. But I don't think people do it on purpose, they're just too stupid to realize what they're doing.
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>>78178558
>>78178531
Marvel literally depends on nerd rage to give them free marketing.
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>>78178531
Marvel's entire marketing plan for these books is "do something that'll upset the neckbeards that pretend to read comics then fan the flames of their rage so they go around advertising your book all over the internet." And it works. A thread about how "Whor is SJW pandering bullshit and HAS TO BE STOPPED" will get them more sales than "Vision is good. You should buy it." because controversy sells. Something can't be controversial if everyone accepts it as a good thing.
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>>78178583

But is not like people here buy comics.

And I'd like to think if someone here does, they don't buy them for the sake of hating it.
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>>78178330
Hopefully with Abnetts turn on it the book will become good and sell well.
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>>78178659
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>>78178659
Whatever you have to tell yourself to justify your shill threads, anon. Just remember the next time you see a thread about how "I'm so offended by The Totally Awesome Hulk being asian! Aren't you angry too? Grr, let's fight back against the tumblr SJWs by yelling about this all-day every-day. PS Here's the preview for the next issue" that that person is likely getting paid to make that thread to try and get you angry so you do the marketing for them.
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>>78178672
I'm pretty sure Abnett was put on it to kill it and they'll give him a relaunch.
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>>78178509
Don't forget about Whor.

As a side note I have to say it's funny how the Bendis posting benefits Guardians of the Galaxy more than it benefits Iron Man or Miles. Brevoort is probably punching the wall at how his anger strategy for his new flagship book backfired and went to a completely different book.
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>>78178696
TA Hulk is good though
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a-are these good?

also how's Prez doing
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>>78178653

i do not know how to shill vision any harder

Personally one of my favorite characters
Acclaimed up and coming writer
Solid artist
Crazy hook/premise
Everything comes together and the book is great

so of course it's just a great miniseries we'll fondly remember. ...Tho Johns and Reis also did a Vision mini way back
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>>78178733
For IDW, sure. Hellblazer on the other hand is skirting along the low area for DC.
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>>78178733
Prez got delayed and didn't ship in November but I'd expect the 6th issue to be around like 7k maybe just looking how the drops have gone. They haven't solicited the second half yet but apparently it's still coming.
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>>78178732
You're right, but it being good isn't going to help its sales at all. You know what will? People raging because Hulk is now Asian.

If you make a thread that's "Totally Awesome Hulk is great, you should all read it!" then it'll just get ignored, have a small handful of people go "yes, I agree." then it'll slink off to being 404'd. If you make a thread that's "/co/ we need to get OUTRAGED over the fucking CHINKS stealing our HEROES. Why is this allowed? If we don't do something the SJWs will win!" then it'll get 500+ posts within the hour. Now it goes from this one off, easily ignored or not even noticable book that most people wouldn't even know existed versus the book that "everyone's talking about" because it's so "controversial" and "oh man, I need to read it to see what all the hub-bub is about and then get on facebook to rage about it to my friends so they also know they need to read it because of how controversial it is."

Because here's the trick. Extremely few people actually read comics, which means that extremely few people can judge whether a book is good or not. BUT you don't have to read comics to complain/praise a character for being a different race/gender/sex than traditional. it's all about mobilizing all the non-comic readers by the one thing they know they respond to: fake political outrage. They want as many people to be talking about these books as they can get. You go for people that actually read comics? That's 10 people talking about it. You go for people that just want an excuse to complain about SJWs? That's thousands of people now talking about the book, and all press is good press.

The people that constantly complain about SJWs are the biggest Marvel shills on this site.
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>>78178843
Maybe we need to shill Vision in the context of the MCU taking over comics or something then.
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>>78178723
Guardians of the Galaxy is fucking awesome. I cant even fathom the amount of shit it's getting on /co/

Its just like the movie, which got good reviews, and its one of the highest selling comics in the world right now and for good reason

>b-but its not MUH GUARDIANS!
lol fuck off. Nobody cared or knew who they were before the movie. Consider actually having fun once in your life, thats what the run is, fun. Since when is NOT MUH a valid criticism? They're basically taking the gotg name and making it something better, there's nothing wrong with that.

Its basically the exact same for Kitty Pryde. Reinventing a C-list character into a badass renegade which is also selling well and everyone is enjoying it aside from you /co/ntrarians. Why is that exactly?
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>>78178861
Good luck with that. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to use to shill Starbrand/Nightmask. Unfortunately no one cares about Nightmask so no one will rage about that "raceswap" and Starbrand is a straight white man.

Hopefully there's something in the first issue that I can use. Ideally something poking fun at gamergate, that seems to always get people in a tizzy.
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I see Jem holding steady.

To think that it outsells Transformers.

To think that it outsells Omega Men.

To think Omega Men outsells Lumberjanes, and yet DC STILL almost cancelled it while Lumberjanes is doing just fine.
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>>78178843
So if I want to help Omega Men I should make an angry shitpost about how they turned Kyle into a beaner?
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>>78178723
It kinda amazes me that Thor has been selling so well. If there is anything that proves that outrage can sell it's that.
Also I knew that Deadpool was popular, but damn.
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>>78178932
>To think Omega Men outsells Lumberjanes, and yet DC STILL almost cancelled it while Lumberjanes is doing just fine.

Guaranteed pay to creators vs variable pay based on sales, it's not really that weird.
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>>78178936
Yes, also that it endorses ISIS because the heroes are terrorists. Remember that the trick is to piss off the right wing, thus forcing the left wing to have to fight back.
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>>78178932
>To think Omega Men outsells Lumberjanes, and yet DC STILL almost cancelled it while Lumberjanes is doing just fine.
It's almost as if a smaller publisher with a creator backed book has a different measure of success than a large corporate publisher
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Jesus Christ, look at those numbers for Zodiac Starforce! That's just depressing!

And no Giant Days or Tomboy (or Prez) in sight, what's up with that?
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>>78178887
Why is Kitty Pryde all of a sudden the face of the Guardians of the Galaxy?
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>>78179019
never let a man write his waifu
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>>78178993
Then what's the lesson here, talented artists with actual vision shouls steer the fuck clear from the biggest studios/publishers in the buisness?

What kind of industry works that way?
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>>78178936
>I should make an angry shitpost about how they turned Kyle into a beaner?

The funny thing is most people probably don't even know he was already a beaner.

>>78179019
Bendis
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>>78179000
Prez didn't ship in November
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>>78179033
That corporate comics are a guaranteed paycheck and creator owned small press is more of a gamble that's not guaranteed to pay off?
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Dumb question, but are these numbers a reflection of how many copies a store orders or how many the store sells?
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>>78179037
Bendis?
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>>78179037
Beaner?
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>>78179084
store orders, sometimes they get adjusted based on returnability
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>>78179084
How many they order. Orders are placed 2-3 months ahead of time.
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>>78179067
Corporate comics tying creators finishing their stories to sales figues, when both of them are owned by two of the biggest entertainment corporations on Earth, is hypocritical.

Also, according to Scott Snyder, they don't pay all that well.
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>>78179084
How many a store orders.

We have no idea how much a comic REALLY sells unless it stablizes for multiple months or goes up. Even then variants and stores having some leftovers is still in that number and can inflate it.
And all we have for digital is ranking since we don't get actual numbers for them either.
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>>78179131
You have it backwards. Pay is not tied to sales figures from the big 2, those rates are guaranteed. They are contracted for a certain amount of work.
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>>78179112
>>78179115
Damn that sucks.
>tfw my store sells out of Prez, Fight Club, Paper Girls, Godzilla, and Waiddevil every Wednesday but the boxes full of Batman and Invincible Iron Man in the back that were never sold still get counted in sales.
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>>78178020
DC keeps making new things with him because he sells. I assume Neil Adams Superman will make old gags buy it in spades, but Superman and other characters haven't had like a billion different titles like Batman has. It's becoming kind of a nuisance to stick with DC when all they do is mostly Batman now.
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>>78179174
That's probably because you store bets on more walk-ins for those big books while they only order maybe one or two more issues than the preorders for those small books
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>>78177291
this.

it's a money making scam, no different than 20 variants on one book, and stores fall for it every single time.
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>>78179200
that's true

>tfw we haven't sold an Avengers title in months but we still get them in because muh corporate structure
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>>78179182
Adams Superman will sell the same as about every Superbook, maybe 5-10k more. I wouldn't expect any issue to be higher than 60k.
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>>78179170
DC and Marvel could pay every last person working for them, from editor-in-chief down to the cleaning lady $200K a year and it still wouldn't make a decimal of a percent of a dent in Disney/Warner's earnings reports.

Those companies not letting artists rinish the stories they want to tell (see also: China Mieville and Dial H, Christy Marx and Sword of Sorcery, Genevive Valentine and Catwoman, among others) is wrongheaded as all heck, and that's keeping it civil!
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>>78178887
Brian Michael Bendis is a gateway writer of the worst kind. He's a bad storyteller, with a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive double pages and WORDS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the writer himself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of his core make him a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable tumblr faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look smart, the unending Bendisspeak, boring personalities, the whole quipping faggotry and everything about his stories fuels their escapist fantasies, while the retconned character backgrounds, emphasis on his waifus, and overall preachiness of the writer make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average redditor and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes redditors and tumblr retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

Bendis is basically THE writer to attract the most hated comicbook fanbase known to /co/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this writer and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Bendis thread ever encourage /co/mblr to show their faces here.
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>>78179182
>but Superman and other characters haven't had like a billion different titles like Batman has. It's becoming kind of a nuisance to stick with DC when all they do is mostly Batman now.
> Superman American Alien
> Superman Earth One
> Superman Reign of the Supermen
> Wonder Woman Earth One
> Wonder Woman Sensation Comics
> Legend of Wonder Woman
> Wonder Woman '77
> Flash Earth One
> Flash Multiversity Too
> Aquaman Earth One
> Teen Titans Earth One
I know DC pushes Batman hard but it's not true that they never give anything extra to anybody else, Wondy had like four books going on simultaneously recently and Superman has four books plus several extra minis
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>>78179251
That's now how corporate structure works, especially at Time Warner. Each arm of the business has to stand on its own. What you're asking is for DC and Marvel to become loss leaders for the parent companies and that just isn't going to happen.
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>>78179303
And that's why they need to die. For the sake of the culture and the artform.
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>>78179297
>Aquaman Earth One
Next year is good year.
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>>78179256
Secretly everyone is a Bendis fan. Sure people here like to feel they have superior taste by calling him shit, hack or whatever they want. They feel better knowing their current indy darling is way better than the top dog at Marvel because it somehow validates the comics they are reading and that's fine.

And yeah the things people complain about Bendis are true as well. He likes to write for trades with slow pacing arcs and his characteristic dialogue. Not to mention putting the stories over any kind of continuity fans want to be acknowledged.

But it's also true that what he does is exactly what Marvel needs. He actually puts some effort in trying to change and advance these characters. You people always criticize his changes because you don't want your characters to advance that fast. Maybe if a change is teased and slowly build then in ten years you will accept it but Bendis doesn't have ten years. He wants to move forward himself not wait until his grandsons do the job for him. You hate him for that but it's what Marvel need. His stories also appeal to the readers. He writes what they want to read. Compare Guardians of the Galaxy against Inhumans. Both had the same number of variants but Bendis still won because he writes the team of Guardians people are interested in reading, accuse him of waifuing or whatever but people accpeted Kitty as Star-Lord because Bendis sold her to them in the first issue. He also put the Avengers on the map and some might say he did it by using gimmicks and events but he was the one who dared to pull these gimmicks and events, and they worked. People liked it. Bendis does know what people want. /co/ of course has other ideas, and most likely those ideas would send Marvel into bankruptcy again.

Bendis works, and /co/ loves him. All the hate messages are just the way they have to show their love.
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>>78179297
And Supergirl is getting a digital first if Amazon is to be believed (they already posted the solicit for the trade)
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>>78176939
#2 of the relaunch sold less than #5 of the first volume.

Spider-Gwen 4 86,586
Spider-Gwen 5 67,697

The issues for the first volume weren't even close to settling. Dropping 20k from #4 to #5 is horrible and not normal. Who knows where she would've ended up then, and who knows now since she can be apart of the main earth and their crossovers now.
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>>78179373
Yeah I think it's based off the show though.

It'll probably just be a mini that gets solicited next week.
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>>78178653
>DC experiences controversy (Omega Men getting cancelled and then uncancelled)
>sales will typically drop
>Marvel experiences controversy (Whor, Spider-Woman, Bendis books, etc)
>sales will rise up

kill me
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>>78179968
>>78179968
Everyone is tradewaiting Omega Men. Them uncancelling it only confirmed "this book will be 12 issues then cancelled" because the fact that it was cancelled in the first place confirms that it won't go on beyond 12 regardless of sales.

Plus they cancelled the first trade so they could just release one complete trade.
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>>78176592
I want to die

At least Midnighter sells pretty good digitally. It was even on the front page last issue.
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>>78180019
You'd think people would start tradewaiting all of Marvel then since nothing but double shipped things will ever get past 12 issues again.
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>>78179917
>next week

Are you sure solicits aren't this week? I remember seeing stuff about the new anthology and the BvS variants. Figured it might be today and maybe pushed up because of the holiday next week.

>>78180066
I started tradewaiting Marvel like 3 years ago when they moved to 3.99 on everything. No regrets.
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>>78179182
> It's becoming kind of a nuisance to stick with DC when all they do is mostly Batman now
can you really blame them?

DCYou was not the success DC wanted it to be, that much is certain. Of the books that launched, only three were really "Batman" related. We Are Robin, the direct link, and then Black Canary and Midnighter which spun out of other Batman titles (Batgirl and Grayson respectively.) JLA you can say is ubiquitously Batman related because it has Batman in it, but that's pretty much it.

Almost every DCYou launched title is floundering compared to big name books, despite those books having fucking terrible creative teams (Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, the list goes on.) Batman books meanwhile are still selling relatively well. The lowest two last I checked are Gotham Academy and RH/A, but GA does well in digital and trade sales to make up for lower floppies, which is impressive considering it had only one issue with Batman in it so far.

I never see anyone making as much of a fuss about the Spider-Man line having a shit-ton of books, so much so that Marvel's plan to have Iron Man be the dominating line driver has already floundered within a month of launch. It's the exact same thing though - Batman and Spider-Man are both characters who just sell no matter where they are.
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>>78180066
>>78180087
>buying marvel's overpriced trades to begin with
screw that. i only buy them at cons where sellers will slash the price in half.
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>>78180087
>Are you sure solicits aren't this week?
I forgot it was Monday so yeah, this week.

That's happens when you work and don't sleep
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>>78180066
DC promised that all their ongoings would get minimum 12 issues. Marvel never made those promises.

With DC, I could safely trust that Omega Men would get all 12 issues so I had no incentive to get the floppies. On the other hand, we have no confirmation of how long Vision is supposed to be so they could cancel it at any time which makes me weary enough to add it to my pull.

DC really shot themselves in the foot with the "all books will get at least 12 issues" thing. I, and many others, tradewait everything unless we think it'll need the floppie sales to survive. DC basically said "don't worry about floppie sales, it'll get at least 12 issues either way" so I go "well gee, guess I'll spend this cash on something that I don't know if it'll reach 12 issues or not."
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>>78180111
I only buy from Amazon and IST where the prices are discounted
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>>78180111
Or you could just order them off of IST, where they're 50% off the week of release, 42% off all other times, and have an additional 2% off discount if order within one week of your last order.

What kind of idiot buys trades at MSRP?
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>>78180129
I checked Newsarama and they have the collectibles solicits up so the other should be coming by 5 est
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>>78180150
meant to reply to >>78180120
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>>78180087
Solicits are today, DC's collectibles solicits are out already
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>>78180225
Wouldn't it just be advanced solicitations? Full solicits don't usually go out until Tuesdays. DC's collectible solicits always come out one day ahead, alongside the advanced solicits.
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>>78180111

I'd not mind Marvel's price for their trades if the quality wasn't so shit. How can every other company even DC have better quality paper on their books and still ask for less money that Marvel?

because they are fucking jews I know
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>>78180245
Nope, DC's virtually always come out on Monday, when they do advance solicits we see those on Friday

Complete solicits should be out by 5EST
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>>78180282
So how many hours till the solicits? Yuropoor here.
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>>78177110
R-really?

That's nice at least...
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>>78180309
Three or so hours
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>>78180325
Thanks senpai.
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>>78180342
No problem

Have some covers while you wait

http://www.buzzcomics.net/showpost.php?p=1627070&postcount=20
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>>78180360
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>>78180360
Owlman looks hilarious
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>>78180360
>Miracle and Barda
Hopefully it'll wash that stench from Earth 2.
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>>78180360
>Grid is back already
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>>78180282
Huh. Guess I'm getting mixed up since Marvel does it Monday for advanced and Tuesday for solicits. Guess I always assumed DC was the same way since I check for advanced on mondays and full on tuesdays.
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>>78180409
Johns seems to be ignoring that completely.

Imagine is Robinson hadn't thrown that fit and left. Were they planning a Earth 2/JL crossover or something? ;_;
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>>78180443
>Were they planning a Earth 2/JL crossover or something? ;_;
They actually were, yeah

They'd even tentatively placed it for late 2014
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>>78180425
They gotta give Cyborg something to do.
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>>78176395
>440k is a number one seller
>All but two titles under 200k
Comic book industry on suicide watch.
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>>78176395

DC please don't die yet

STAY WITH ME
STAY WITH ME

PLEASE!!
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>>78180443
Based Cereal Lord.
Now when I think, Miracle/Barda fuckery started after Robinson left, right? Man, when I remember I started Earth 2 with optimism.
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>>78180506
>Miracle/Barda fuckery started after Robinson left, right?
They didn't show up at all in Taylor's stuff I don't think, it was only in World's End that had retarded evil Barda stuff
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>>78180503
It's actually growing every year
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>>78178680
That's what they tell themselves but it's not entirely working.
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>>78180360
>Power Ring on the Crime Syndicate side
Oh noooo

Also looks like Superman is going to meet Superman
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>>78180505
Don't worry. As long as they have Batman, they'll stay strong. When their sales start getting dire, they can just release a couple dozen more Bat books and that'll save them.
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>>78178843
>The people that constantly complain about SJWs are the biggest Marvel shills on this site.

That actually makes a whole lot of sense.
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>>78180503
This is actually higher than it's been in a good while. It's on the rise.
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>>78180558
I predicted like a month ago there would be a crossover with Lois and Clark for the last couple of issues of it after those awful launch numbers.

A shame they didn't do something to fix that shitty new 52 suit. I hope it's just JRJR being wrong and that they do make it look better. Kuder's cover looks good at least.
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>>78180530
>>78180619
Is it due to variant shit and constant relaunching though or people actually buying it.
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>>78180685
It's hip to read comics now. Also Star Wars is blowing up at Marvel. I think in 2010 the highest selling comic was barely at 100k. I know that GL in Blackest Night was barely breaking 80k.
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>>78180685
I'm not doing your research for you

http://www.comichron.com/vitalstatistics.html
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>>78180685
Mix of both. Relaunches and variants pad the numbers, but even if you discount them, sales have still been rising year to year since 2008. The whole "comic sales are dropping! The industry is fucked!" thing is just a meme, nothing more.
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>>78180729
There was a month, I think it was February 2010, where the top two books were Green Lantern and Fantastic Four and they were barely breaking 70k each
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>>78180740
The "no movie fan starts reading comic books" meme is also getting annoying.

I started reading comics after I saw Winter Soldier and I know many people who also got into them because of the movies. I think it's pretty obvious that the rise in sales is pretty closely related to the huge popularity of cape movies. Sure, 99% of those who see the movies don't go and buy the comics after, but even that 1% can make a big difference considering how popular these blockbusters are.
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>>78180558
>>78180558
Superman gets his powers back this month?
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>>78180872
Story > Continuity. Based Didio.
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>>78180862
Actual LCS owners disagree with you, they credit TV shows not movies.

http://www.newsarama.com/26070-do-comic-book-tv-shows-sell-comic-books-retailers-weigh-in.html
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>>78180872
Not this month, it happens in March. Yang confirmed it too today: http://www.newsarama.com/27153-superman-hitting-rock-bottom-yang-offers-hope-for-50-bounce-back.html

But they said all along that the arc would only last about a year.
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>>78180886
based.

One thing I like is that I think a lot of stuff still fits into some sort of continuity, just not the publishing order.
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>>78180931
Yep. Everything is in continuity, but fuck me if I can tell you when stuff happens.
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>>78180749
February 2011 was worse:

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-02.html

The top two books were in the 70000s. Anyone with objective reading skills can't honestly say the comics market right now is dying. Sales right now are sure of a hell of a lot better than years ago. I don't like a lot of the stuff that's being sold that high, but I don't make up Chicken Little dire warning shit while ignoring actual facts.

>>78180740
>The whole "comic sales are dropping! The industry is fucked!" thing is just a meme

This is true. The people constantly saying that on here and on some other places let their biases get in the way of actual research.
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>>78180982
I think its something that will become clear after a while.

So like in after darkseid war, maybe the next JL arc, Superman will mention that he lost his powers, indicating when it happened. Even if he has his powers back in his comics at that point.

5 years down the line /co/ will be arguing and hammering out a timeline for it.
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>>78180902
>>78180862
See here's the problem here, there's no doubt that movies do get some new readers in. It's just that they don't bring in a significant number.

>they credit TV shows not movies.

Yeah, it's one of the reasons Walking Dead is so successful while Avengers stuff isn't.
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>>78181014
I could see movies causing a bump in trade sales, but that's about it. Probably the main reason why DC is putting out collections of Superman and Batman fights and also reprinting Trinity for the spring.
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DC comics please
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>>78181044
They're also doing new collections of older Supergirl, Vixen, Wonder Woman material
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Will they ever release actual digital sales numbers, /co/?
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>>78177049

Hey, I liked Jurgens' run and I'm glad I get to read more about pre-nu52 Supes and Lois.
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>>78181068
"no"
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>>78176798
TWO HUNDRED

THOUSAND
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>>78181068
No. Why would they? The only reason they do it for physical is for retailer's sake, something that's irrelevant for digital. Remember, it's not Marvel/DC/Image/etc. putting out these numbers. It's Diamond.
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>>78181068
Nope
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>>78176798
Went from 66k to 59k.
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>>78176779
>>78177001
>>78177937
Why the fuck do you crybabies always ask for source when it's so easy to do the legwork? I have the same tools as you guys, google and what I assume is a working human mind and two whole hands. Took me all of 30 seconds to find it after 2 failed google searches.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/03/introducing-all-new-all-different-marvel

>AXEL ALONSO: For starters, we’re in the midst of a massive universe transforming event in Secret Wars. This is an event we’ve been building to for some time, and it’s clearing the canvas and putting new and familiar stuff on the canvas in its aftermath. And so it’s transformed the Marvel Universe we’re looking at, which is the perfect opportunity to start a new chapter. And that said, most importantly, I think that the comics industry—certainly, we are—slowly working into a season model that’s not too unlike what we see in our favorite cable TV shows: a seasonal model that offers accessible entry points for new readers and is respectful of long-term fans. We did Marvel NOW! and All-New Marvel NOW!, which were both two very successful campaigns. And this is the latest campaign. The goal is to invite a new audience while maintaining and honoring the fans who are already reading. So this fall, this All-New All-Different Marvel is going to unveil somewhere around 60 titles, all new #1s. And nothing says “jumping point” like the #1. And all of them, I think, all are going to offer diverse, exciting and accessible entry points into our world. And there’ll be a lot of different flavors.

What? You stupid fuckers want me to ALLCAPS when he says season too? Can't read a full quote or use Ctrl+F?
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> Wonder Woman 46 - 34,041
> Wonder Woman 45 - 33,885

Why the hell is this shit rising?
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why won't dc just kill everything that isn't batman and rename itself as the batman company?
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>>78181178
That's remaining stable not really a rise. But there were the Looney Tunes variants in November.
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>>78176798
Bendis' Iron Man so far:


Invincible Iron Man #1 - 279,514
Invincible Iron Man #2 - 66,664
Invincible Iron Man #3 - 59,069

Fraction's Iron Man from seven years ago:

05/08 Invincible Iron Man #1 - 120,657
06/08 Invincible Iron Man #2 - 76,001 (-37.0%)
07/08 Invincible Iron Man #3 - 66,430 (-12.6%)
08/08 Invincible Iron Man #4 - 58,154 (-12.5%)

Gillen's Iron Man from three years ago:

11/12 Iron Man v6 #1 - 116,529 (+215.1%)
11/12 Iron Man v6 #2 - 72,902 ( -37.4%)
12/12 Iron Man v6 #3 - 59,041 ( -19.0%)
12/12 Iron Man v6 #4 - 56,708 ( -4.0%)
01/13 Iron Man v6 #5 - 50,899 ( -10.2%)

Taylor's Superior Iron Man from recent years:


11/14 Sup. Iron Man #1 - 83,994 ( 199.7%)
11/14 Sup. Iron Man #2 - 42,621 ( -49.3%)
12/14 Sup. Iron Man #3 - 38,806 ( -9.0%)
01/15 Sup. Iron Man #4 – 38,515 ( -0,7%)
02/15 Sup. Iron Man #5 – 35,094 ( -8.9%)

So it's better than Superior Iron Man's sales but falling to Fraction and Gillen's sales levels, which actually isn't a good thing given they were intent on making Iron Man the flagship title.
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>>78178157
It's about you being a pleb fuck not only reading capeshit, but reading stupid ongoings. You could still take a whole lifetime just reading all the great capeshit stuff that's already out there.
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>>78181176
>linking directly to the site instead of archive/pastebinning it
Holy fuck /co/mblr is real. I knew your reputation was that you're filled with literal shills but I had no idea it was THIS bad.
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>>78181231
lmao it just a link.
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>>78181231
Why should he pastebin when he provided the full quote anyway? If you care that much you can do it yourself.
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>>78181231
What a nerd.
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>>78181213
Fine. Why the hell is this shit rising?

>tfw the Finches are selling more than Azz did 1.5 years ago, when Wonder Woman sold 30,655
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>>78181294
she was in a movie trailer
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http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-sales-chart-analysis-october-2015-the-emptiness-of-relaunches/

>Ultimately, we are left with the big flagship relaunches and we can already see that the trends are not pretty. Yes, people are still buying way more of a title when it’s numbered #1, even if it asks of them a monetary effort (at $6 or 5$ the first issue for some + the double shipping, that makes quite an amount of money to spend this month for Marvel fans). However, with the exception of Iron Man, which was heavily pushed by Marvel, the resulting sales were either disappointing or so weak that they put titles on a track to instantly end up back at their pre-relaunch sales levels. In this game, the Avengers brand seems the one most hurt by « désamour » from buyers [editor’s note: the cessation of love].
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>>78181331
can I get that comic of with the stairs muffin
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>>78181331
you can just not click the link senpai, it really doesn't matter
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>>78181221
if they can't make Iron Man a 100k monthly seller with even Bendis on board, then all hope is lost.
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>>78181331
Jesus Christ Almighty. Nevermind I posted the quote with it, and that it's a major shitty entertainment site that couldn't give a rat's ass about your click instead of some small SJW echo chamber.
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>>78181352
it's truly embarrassing
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>>78181331
>It's like GamerGate taught you faggots nothing

Anon, I think you might be on the wrong board or website altogether.
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>>78176592
>Middy
>12k
FUCK NO
THE GAYS WOULD SAVE US THEY SAID
FAGS BUY COMICS THEY SAID
SJWS BUY THEM TOO THEY SAID
IT WORKS WHEN FUCKING MARVEL DOES IT IN THE MOST HACK WAY POSSIBLE BUT WHEN DC HAS A GOOD GAY CHARACTER NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS
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>>78181352
They could always throw twenty variants on Iron Man. If that won't keep up sales, I don't know what else will.
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>>78181221
Not bad at all. Fraction has the advantage by one issue as #4 was doing Bendis #3 numbers. It already estabilized to the numbers of Gillen which is something good too. The whole flagship title is just marketing and ultimately wishful thinking on part of Brevoort and Alonso. I guess this means that Iron Man already got all the push he could get from the movies by Fraction run.

Still, not bad, not bad at all.
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>>78179084
It's a reflection of what Diamond buys based on store orders.
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>>78180902
I think the reason TV shows help more than movies is because TV serials are a slower digest and require a certain amount of investment to continue on.

Majority of people will go see a movie once, enjoy it, and then never go back to it again. That's especially true of action movies like MCU, where there is not much of a deeper message/artistic value to absorb from repeat views.

With TV shows you have to devote yourself to watching close to 24 hours of any one show over the course of several months. You can get easier invested in the stories and characters because you spend a slower burn with them.
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>>78180360
>THAT BARDA
thank you based johns
>power ring on the crime syndicate side
DAMN YOU BASED JOHNS
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>>78181136
>>78181433
How do we kill Diamond?
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>>78181385
>mock Marvel for using diversity as a PR stunt and going on The View to advertise it
>be surprised when Marvel's almost offensive portrayals of diversity sell gangbusters and people not even realise that yours exist
DC has one of the worst marketing departments in the industry. You wanna take the moral highground by not resorting to dirty tactics? Go for it. But the moral highground doesn't translate into increased sales.
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>>78181487
start buying digital

also I'm not sure if Diamond distributes to Barnes and Noble
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>>78180147
IST has a 4 dollar shipping charge unless you buy over 50 dollars worth of books, so that diminishes the savings you get unless you order in bulk.
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>>78181397
It's not bad, it's certainly doing better than the prior series. But on the other hand I don't think this was what they wanted.

Come to think of it, they likely did Superior Iron Man because of Superior Spider-Man's sales success and were hoping to have Iron Man outsell Spider-Man, weren't they.
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>>78180931
Because comic continuity is already so fucking nebulous in terms of time, it's completely retarded to not use DC's strategy. Of course most capefags are continuityfags as well, so they got assmad and it's actually hurt DC's sales
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>>78181514
that's like, three trades
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>>78181514
>unless you order in bulk

Well yeah, that's how you have to do it. Never pay for shipping online.
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>>78181511
>also I'm not sure if Diamond distributes to Barnes and Noble

It doesn't except maybe for some TPBs of smaller companies. They usually don't distribute monthly comics to Barnes and Noble or other newsstands though.
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>>78180150
Oooh! We're getting to issue #50 solicits today, then! I'm excited.
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>>78181487
>kill Diamond
HAHAHAHA. Nigga come on. Diamond would sooner destroy the industry than allow the industry to destroy it.

>get sued for being a monopoly
>courts agree that its a monopoly but since its only a monopoly on comics distribution it doesn't count
Diamond was ruled a legal monopoly because "lol comics." Nothing can stop them and Marvel made sure of it in the late 90s.
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>>78181524
I hated it at first, I hated the very idea of it, I hated Morrison wanking off on hypercrisis. But I just can't argue with the results, DC was cooling down major after a pretty good couple of years following New52, but this no hard continuity stuff is pretty good.
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>>78181514
>ever not ordering $50 minimum
There are people that do this? I used to spend more than $50 a week on floppies, so doing 50 a week on trades is easy mode.
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>>78181599
Now that Marvel has Disney backing, is it possible that they could win a lawsuit against Diamond?

The "legal monopoly" thing sounds fucking retarded.
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>>78176547
This is hilarious. Thank god for digital.
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>>78181514
So wait and buy four things at once and/or get Omnibi. Comics is a huge medium, you should expose yourself to as much as possible.
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>>78180147
I do when Barnes and Noble is doing their 3-for-2 sale like right now
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>>78181754
Even if you don't, even if you want to be a stupid little good goy buying Batman and Spiderman shit every month. There's more than 50 bucks of good capeshit coming every month.
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>Slott Spiderman already out of 100k

Damn it took it like 15 issues last relaunch before it dropped below a 100k.

I wonder what the whole Marvel line will be in about a year or so though. After Secret Wars finally ends and they've run through their ANAD relaunch. Sure they've got Civil War to give them a bump but more than anything it look like they're going to fall back to where they were around 2011.
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>>78176395
Where does idw tmnt usually fall?
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>>78181794
in a year or so they'll have relaunched twice
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>>78181657
I don't think they need to sue. Could just pull out from Diamond entirely. They already do business with digital distributors.
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>>78180505
>DC
>dying

In what world do you live in where the owners of one of America's oldest iconic characters goes under

Tell me
Tell me so I can at least try to understand the reasoning behind these stupid fucking doomsayers posts every fucking thread
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>>78181495
I don't think people should even have the moral high ground anymore if they really care about their books doing good.

If you want your DC books to sell, your gonna have to stop being an autist, and start making twitter, reddit, and tumblr accounts and start shilling. And I'm not talking about the "this book is so progressive shilling" I'm talking about the Marvel method of "this book is so progressive it makes those silly nerd boys angry!"

Otherwise better get on the Bendis train, because nothing can stop the King of Marvel.
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>>78181794
They're literally, unironically, rebooting every year. And they managed to condition thousands of Marvelmaniacs worldwide it's a positive, amazing new stance. I'm not even mad, just impressed by Marvel's amazing upper management.
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>>78181794
I guess it's not relatable when Spidey has Iron Man amount of tech and money.
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>>78181794
Well they do have Star Wars. That might stay high as the normal Marvel line falls, but it's possible that it's just movie hype that will die soon.

But it's interesting to think about in the long term. Clearly this last relaunch hasn't even managed to raise the sales for any issues except the #1s. That boost is good but it's literally just one month.
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>>78180989
Dude, its smokescreen because of constant relaunched. The numbers would be that bad if the titles weren't getting 1s and automatic 100ks off that.

Its not much better, they've found a way around it.
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>>78181899
Dude, it's literally not and you're factually wrong, dude.
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>>78181940
the numbers are pretty much the same outside of #1s, dude

if you removed Batman, Star Wars, and #1s, they'd actually be a little worse

hell, most of the #1s ARE worse
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>>78181990
Dude, the numbers are rising and like, dude, they're so much better than before the capeshit wave, dude, you're factually objectively wrong dude.
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>>78181940
It is.

On average, the bigger titles, especially on DCs side are selling like crap from what they used to. There's a group of number 1s or 2s every month with high numbers but everything else is weak.

Your flagship Avengers title, or your X-Men book is still at like 60K, 50K the minute that bump is gone. It wasn't that long ago, but Bendis Avengers or Astonishing X-Men would get 80-100K for regular shit.

Why do you think there's constant relaunches on Marvels side, and 2011 was right when DC relaunched everything?
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>>78181794
They'll relaunch again after Civil War II.

Screencap this.
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>>78181794
>Damn it took it like 15 issues last relaunch before it dropped below a 100k.

Actually it didn't, it dipped below with the sixth issue. But it got gains because I think Spider-Verse was starting up.

04/14 Amazing v3 #1 - 532,586 ( 293.1%)[23,871]
05/14 Amazing v3 #2 - 123,945 ( -76.7%)
06/14 Amazing v3 #3 - 109,029 ( -12.0%)
07/14 Amazing v3 #4 - 117,917 ( 8.2%)O.Sin
08/14 Amazing v3 #5 - 101,655 ( -13.8%)O.Sin
09/14 Amazing v3 #6 - 93,564 ( -8.0%)
10/14 Amazing v3 #7 - 116,051 ( 24.0%)
10/14 Amazing v3 #8 - 99,549 ( -14.2%)
11/14 Amazing v3 #9 - 135,280
11/14 Amazing v3 #10 – 100,899
12/14 Amazing v3 #11 – 104,739 ( +3.8%)
01/15 Amazing v3 #12 – 105,458 ( +0.6%)
01/15 Amazing v3 #13 – 103,093 ( -2.2%)
02/15 Amazing v3 #14 – 106,778 ( +3.6%)
02/15 Amazing v3 #15 - 99,660 ( -6.7%)
03/15 Amazing v3 #16 - 92,289 ( -7.4%)
04/15 Amazing v3 #17 - 99.964 ( +8.3%)

All things considered, 90,000 is not that bad given that back when BND was going on it was dipping to the 50,000s. Do I like Slott's Spider-Man? Nope, haven't liked it since like the early part of Superior. Do I think it's still selling okay? Sure.
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>>78182115
There's nothing to screencap you self important idiot, it's an official company policy.
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>>78182131
Marvel really has no shame anymore.

I admire their business skills though.
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>>78182159
You admire people with no shame?
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>>78182187
No, just their business skills. They are hacks who won't see another cent from me, but I can't deny they know how to make a profit.
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>>78182099
>especially on DCs side are selling like crap from what they used to

Debatable. There was an unnatural bump for the new 52 reboot but DC has mostly settled back into pre-Flashpoint levels. Some books like Flash and WW are still doing better now than they generally did back then. There's some special instances like GL's drop that can be attributed to creative team rather than strength of the franchise.
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>>78181794
>I wonder what the whole Marvel line will be in about a year or so though
They're going to be pushing All New All Different Marvel Now.
Not even joking. Relaunching basically every year with 10+ variants on the majority of their books is their new business model.
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>>78182246
>Some books like Flash and WW are still doing better now than they generally did back then.

Actually pre-Flashpoint, I think Johns' Barry Allen series was selling better than the current Flash series does now. Wonder Woman was about the 30,000 level so not far off from where the Finches' run is. I think Superman is around the World of New Krypton levels when it got its lowest sales.

Batman and Harley Quinn are the only series I can think of where the sales drastically got better (New 52 Harley Quinn's 22nd issue got twice the sales of Pre-Flashpoint Harley's 22nd issue)

Also there might be sales distortions for DC's sales in December because they got that Harley's Little Black Book variant thing going on where the variants are randomly packed. I expect Marvel will shamelessly copy that.
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>>78182605
Johns Flash was selling more but not Waid, Guggenheim, and whoever else existed between the two Johns runs. It was below 30k. I did misremember WW though, I thought it was in the 20ks.
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>>78182681
>I did misremember WW though, I thought it was in the 20ks.

To be fair though Pre-Flashpoint WW was during the JMS (and was it Hester who took over when JMS bailed?) arc. That might be why.
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>>78176727
The Initiative
Dark Reign
Heroic Age
Shattered Heroes
.
.
.
They have been doing this for years.

Mignola has been basically doing it since 90s
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>>78181833
Unless they distribute their own comics they get into the sticky situation of Diamond hiding behind the shield of "HEY DON'T KILL THESE INNOCENT AMERICANS' BUSINESSES TO SAVE A BUCK!" because if big 2 goes full digital, LCSs are fucked.
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>>78181833
You're trading one monopoly for another.
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>>78181221
2008 had Eisner award winning series slapped on itl
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>>78182769
that's just status quos, not "every series gets reset back to #1 every year"
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>>78182769
Yes but Mignola is releasing one long story that actually has character development and an intended ending. While he definitely does it to help sales, he also lets the issue counts run into the 100s for the BPRD stuff, and the Hellboy stuff is basically just minis at this point.
Marlel is at the point where they just relaunch after every big event.
They will crash the industry again with the variants, it's coming down the line, can't be more than 5 years away.
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>>78182758
JMS WW actually had a boost with the renumbered issue before delays and fillins for art and writing messed it up.
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>>78182816
>>78182828
I don't mean to go full digital, but they clearly have the ability to distribute through means other than through Diamond. There doesn't seem to be full exclusivity.
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>>78182854
almost every.

and tv shows do not get "reset" back with every new season. BRPD does not get rest back with every new 1
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>>78182838
Not on the floppies though.....
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>>78182907
Marvel resets every series back to #1 now, which isn't what they did with Initiative/Dark Reign/etc., is what I was saying
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>>78182769
>Mignola has been basically doing it since 90s

Mignola's done it but he's been doing it from the start so people know what to expect. With Marvel it's more obvious stunt-pulling.
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>>78182769
The difference is there was actually a larger overriding narrative with all the stuff between Civil War-Heroic Age. While Marvel kept some of the structure like book end events, they have abandoned the emphasis on the narrative that I feel pretty much gave a sense of connection between the books.
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>>78182871
Shorter runs are better.

And no writer will want to stick to something he does not own for 60 issues, Long runs are a rarity already and it is not because of the Big Two.

I take tight short Moon Knight by Ellis or Young Avengers by Gillen over some decompressed, crossover filled years long run.
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>>78182895
It's a convenience thing at this point, has to be. Diamond has the relationships with the stores (though literally every single comic shop owner I've talked to fucking hates Diamond) and has the money to buy 100% of the nationwide needed issues and get them to their respective shops, whereas pre-Diamond, distribution companies were localized.
Diamond is a clear cancerous type of business, a distribution service doesn't need to exist with these ridiculously vertically integrated corporations that are clearly capable of distributing their own books.
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>>78183002
which is great. All Marvel based series are practically stand alone.

Do not thing Uncanny X-Force vol. 1 would be improved by being more tied to event in larger Marvel Universe
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>>78183009
Yes, shorter runs are easier to make better but there's a reason the best comics of all time have 75 issues or more (Cerebus, Lucifer, L&R). However, this has absolutely nothing to do with renumbering, because a writer can leave a title and the title can continue with a different writer.
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>>78183002
almost ALL Big Two comics worth reading stand aside of "overriding narrative"

It definitely does not make me sad Fraction/Aja Hawkeye was not part of whatever big stuff Avengers were doing
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>>78183009
>Young Avengers by Gillen
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>>78183078
there is also a reason why none of those comics you mentioned are part of a larger universe and are creator owned.
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>>78183009
I'm pretty sure you're talking out of your ass because Gillen YA was part of an almost decade-long story by multiple writers, with ties to major events
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>>78183161
Lucifer isn't creator owned
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>>78183161
do you not know what Lucifer is
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>>78183172
I read literally only YA and understood everything just fine.
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>>78177005
>>78177049

I've been looking for a better way to organize my .cbr/.cbz files I think I like the use for 2015b

what's the better alternative. we know subtitles make books look like miniseries and and are sales poison and there are only so many adjectives not already co-opted by the X-Men.
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>>78176939
Marvel needed to reign that book in and get a better more popular creative team on it

Spider-Gwen's creators may have created the hottest character of last year but they just don't have the talent to keep momentum going even with all the backing Marvel has put behind it.
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DC solicits here >>78183106
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>>78183588
What happens if Pak and Cho are on the book instead?
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>>78177242
To make things look good each quarter for stockholders
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>>78185303
Pak doesn't deserve such shitty fans and shitposters
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>>78186281
Still it'd be nice if he had some fans at all.
Everything he touches dies.
I'm scared for Cholk.
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>>78176727
Then why the fuck don't they just call them seasons then? It's not a relaunch, and only serves to cause confusion.
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>>78187278
They do call it the "new seasonal model"
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>>78176395

Didn't Marvel say Vader down sold 450k? Fuck those lying cunts
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